"Incredulity"
- Chicago police and federal officials have provided some of their most candid comments to date on how they expect to handle potentially violent protests surrounding the upcoming G-8 and NATO summits here in the spring, urging the local business community to remain calm as the events approach.
A law enforcement panel addressed downtown property managers and other professionals Wednesday night at the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, touching on topics from moving boats from Burnham Harbor near McCormick Place to whether tear gas will be used on demonstrators.
More than likely, it’s a ‘no’ on the tear gas, said Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy, despite the likelihood of some protesters coming to town to cause trouble.
“I’m trying to figure out how tear gas helps you control a crowd,” McCarthy said with a hint of incredulity. “It’s never really become clear to me.”
Well Gar, aside from the fact that Chicago hasn't used tear gas in 20 or more years, CS agents causes the mucous membranes to go into overdrive. Here's a scientific explanation:
- The chemical reacts with moisture on the skin and in the eyes, causing a burning sensation and the immediate forceful and uncontrollable shutting of the eyes. Effects usually include tears streaming from the eyes, profuse coughing, exceptional nasal discharge that is full of mucus, burning in the eyes, eyelids, nose and throat areas, disorientation, dizziness and restricted breathing. It will also burn the skin where sweaty and or sunburned. In highly concentrated doses it can also induce severe coughing and vomiting. Almost all of the immediate effects wear off within an hour (such as exceptional nasal discharge and profuse coughing), although the feeling of burning and highly irritated skin may persist for hours. Affected clothing will need to be washed several times or thrown away.
So after gassing, a crowd will have trouble maintaining an aggressive posture toward authorities. Is that clear enough?
But as we stated, Chicago hasn't used CS as a riot control agent in decades. We've used OC-based agents with varying degrees of effectiveness. While use of a gas is a cause for concern due to air intakes on buildings being located near ground level, the absolute restriction of their use in a riot situation is troubling to say the least.
But as we stated, Chicago hasn't used CS as a riot control agent in decades. We've used OC-based agents with varying degrees of effectiveness. While use of a gas is a cause for concern due to air intakes on buildings being located near ground level, the absolute restriction of their use in a riot situation is troubling to say the least.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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One word... GOOF!
Let's tell the store owners not to worry and stay open, then when the Sh*t hits the fan, we say oops, they were not suppose to harm your building and steal your goods and smash your windows, yeah, that's the ticket.
Speaking of Mr. Incredulity didn't we see this coming?
A federal judge today ordered that Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy answer questions as part of a federal lawsuit over a fatal shooting last summer by a police officer.
Last October the Tribune wrote about the officer, Gildardo Sierra, after he shot three men – two fatally – in separate incidents in a six-month period.
McCarthy had told the Tribune that the first two shootings were justified but that the officer should have been taken off the street and assigned to desk duty before the third shooting.
"So after gassing, a crowd will have trouble maintaining an aggressive posture toward authorities. Is that clear enough?"
Don't give Rahm and the City Council any ideas on how to pass fee increases or their agenda in Springfield
"exceptional nasal discharge"
GREAT band name!
Only a person with very limited law enforcement experience would not know how effective CS can be. I find it hard to believe that Garry is really in the dark about CS I do believe he was told by the mayor what he is to say in all cases.
Was Garry every a street police officer??? Was he ever in the military??? The mayor is has foreign military experience (Israeli Army) so he knows how well it works and if he forbids its use then the blame must fall on him for the results
"Chicago hasn't used CS as a riot control agent in decades."
CS powder is used worldwide in the "Projectojet," really just a fire extinguisher full of powder, a stout sling, and a pistol-grip handle with trigger. Much more directional and on/off controllable than the burning-type riot grenades.
Orthochlorobenzomalononitrile.
There. I said it.
>kaf<
Might be worth a look...something to supplement OC.
Seems that The Reader is touting a different view of NATO/G8 than our city "leaders" are putting out there. Check out the 2/16/12 issue..."Here's how one veteran police officer-a long time watch commander-is preparing for potential NATO/G8 protesters:'I have no idea when I'm going to get any specific training, so I've gone ahead and ordered some books from Amazon on riots. This isn't good." No shit it isn't good... it's a disaster!
Since the department and city were able to deem this an 'emergency' as early as last year, canceling furloughs and all elective time off, can their own admission be successfully used against them in litigation?
When any officer gets hurts during G8/NATO, and his/her injuries can be attributed to lack of protective gear, is this sufficient evidence to be introduced in court proceedings? After all, those 'in charge' failed to provide those on the front lines with adequate protection when they knew the potential consequences of the 'emergency' a whole year-plus in advance. Shit, they've already dropped the ball on the whole 'first issue' requirement regarding the gas mask inserts for those officers that wear glasses (ask the instructors about this gaffe). This all sounds like a PI attorney's wet dream.
The gravity of this nonsense was realized to the point of canceling furloughs, right? Every hand needed on deck, they claim. But will EVERY hand be issued some kind of protective gear/clothing? For that fact, will everyone even receive this 'training'?
I know several folks in various D Units who haven't even been approached yet about going for Tier 2 training. Will everybody even be trained? The folks at the academy administering this latest dose of Koolaide did say NOT ONE MEMBER OF EXEMPT RANK HAS ATTENDED TRAINING - hence Baby Georgas' temper tantrum on Tuesday morning.
All reports on the training have consistently yielded the same impression: that we are completely fucked come May. And that this bullshit 'training' consisting of 8 hours of YouTube videos and formations taught by 7-9 year wonders that (most, not all) never did squat in the real police world, are solely to absolve the city come lawsuit time.
When all is said and done, officers will once again be left twisting in the wind. Take that to the bank.
Don't worry ladies and germs.....I'm a black belt in verbal judo.....
Move back, move back
Aldo raine
So we can leave our gas masks in our locker now? I'm sure the protestors are going to be the friendly type! We'll just have to ask them to leave. WTF!?
Let May be the Month of Peace, Love, and Understanding!
McDrunkenstein is the Goofball of the Decade. Totally clueless..Hey,Garry go get drunk and shoot out some streetlights.
So Why will gas masks be needed ?????
WE ARE SO FUKING DOOMED !!! DO YOU HEAR ME DOOMED !!!
Bed over Chicago, and don't clench up !!!
The SOS Gas Teams during the Bulls Festivities were highly effective on the WestSide.
Gone in a cloud of Smoke, literally....
I do believe this G8 event will be the thing that pushes the citizens over the edge on this rat bastard mayor. Racoon Eyes thinks he can do whatever he wants and then spit in the face of the taxpayers. He has had a pretty good ride fucking us over since he took office. So maybe now is the time to put this little arrogant asshole in his place.
Yes I can remember the mayor of Seattle at the last shindig -- this isn't 1968 and we are not Chicago. Ha. Keep the public calm and all that. Later all hell broke loose.
If the crowd isn't violent just load 'em up with some gas and watch what happens.
Greece might be a good place to check today. Youtube is filled with current video's of burning buildings surrounded by teargas.
There's a class war developing. Greeks are watching their nation being sold out from under them. Germany is quoted in the press that the Greek government should be replaced with a outside leadership that doesn't belong to either political party. WTF is that? A cor[prate party controlled by bankers with the famous Greek isles soon to be restricted access to the elites?
Spain, Portugal, and even the USA is on the same path. Look around. Who's calling the shots. It's the banks!
No banker has gone to jail for the massive investment fraud our regulatory agencies are corporate installed puppets. What's up with Holder and operation "Fast and Furious" that's another example.
The nation this state and city is up to it's eyeballs in debt and the bankers are calling the shots for the political puppets awarding themselves with tax breaks while demanding austerity and cuts for the middle class. Just Like Greece. GLOBAL Class wars are upon us.
If it has not yet become obvious as the nose on your face, the politicos and the ones they put in charge of this event are totally out of touch, incompetent, inexperienced and, dare I say, delusional when it comes to what we are about to experience.
The most cursory internet search of the G8 and NATO summits and their VIOLENT history should be quite telling. These idiots decided to host them BOTH TOGETHER in Chicago during the month of May which is of historical significance to the anarchists.
If I were a business owner, I would be quite concerned. But as I am not, I'll just enjoy the show.
Tear gas dosen't work? Well just ask any old timer who was with Wayne Milla at the 22nd Street entrance to Chinatown during the first Bulls Championship riot if it dosen't work. A lot of guys didn't like him but give Milla credit for having the balls to use the tools he had to help his men.
The gravity of this nonsense was realized to the point of canceling furloughs, right? Every hand needed on deck, they claim. But will EVERY hand be issued some kind of protective gear/clothing? For that fact, will everyone even receive this 'training'?
I know several folks in various D Units who haven't even been approached yet about going for Tier 2 training. Will everybody even be trained? The folks at the academy administering this latest dose of Koolaide did say NOT ONE MEMBER OF EXEMPT RANK HAS ATTENDED TRAINING - hence Baby Georgas' temper tantrum on Tuesday morning.
All reports on the training have consistently yielded the same impression: that we are completely fucked come May. And that this bullshit 'training' consisting of 8 hours of YouTube videos and formations taught by 7-9 year wonders that (most, not all) never did squat in the real police world, are solely to absolve the city come lawsuit time.
When all is said and done, officers will once again be left twisting in the wind. Take that to the bank.
2/17/2012 01:05:00 AM
Leave little Georgas alone. He has been hiding in his office for years and all of the G-8 talk has greatly upset him. But not to worry, his brother will find a hiding place for him in May. The exempts have a secret plan for G-8 in May. McCarthy said not to worry. That is enough for me.
"we have gas, and damn right we're going to use it." Eddie Jones Ret. circa 1997
the good ole days...
I guess Garry is McClueless again, about the fact there certainly WAS a rather large discharge on the west side, the night Obama gave his speech in Grant Park.
Then again, so is the media. They were all in the park, instead of doing their job.
So after gassing, a crowd will have trouble maintaining an aggressive posture toward authorities. Is that clear enough?
I thought that McDrunkin's crack policy group (made up of a drunk Sgt. and 3 New York goofs) would have been able to tell him that. Heck, didn't you know the Sgt. used to be the smartest person that EVER worked at the academy range.
"All reports on the training have consistently yielded the same impression: that we are completely fucked come May. And that this bullshit 'training' consisting of 8 hours of YouTube videos and formations taught by 7-9 year wonders that (most, not all) never did squat in the real police world, are solely to absolve the city come lawsuit time."
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And I'd say almost all of the different agencies within the jurisdiction of Chicago that sent its members to the G8/Nato training also did so to avoid any "failure to train" lawsuits if the party extends outside of downtown. We're on our own, here.
Back up fellow officers, first and foremost. Aside from our safety, let opposing protest groups pummel each other. Allow anarchists to smash windows and burn vehicles. They're only there to antagonize and perhaps earn their Hippy version of the Ghetto Lottery. I'd rather be filmed standing and admiring a flipped squad car than be recorded affecting an arrest on a handicapped protester who 'flopped' out of his wheelchair.
Rahm, McCostthecitymoney,&Kirby have no clue. The feds keep everything secret from them until the last minute. I bet they don't even have the logistics figured out yet how or where to process the prisoner's.STAY SAFE MEN
How about hose trucks. That would be great. The local watering could put it on the big screen as we laugh our ass off at the stupid leftists getting sprayed.
You want to handle an unruly violent mob. Watch the opening scene of Gladiator.
Rahm doesn't like CS. As had said before he fear's that, like '68, too many innocent business people may become affected. So the police waterboy is just mirroring what he told to say.
Anonymous said...
Only a person with very limited law enforcement experience would not know how effective CS can be. I find it hard to believe that Garry is really in the dark about CS I do believe he was told by the mayor what he is to say in all cases.
Was Garry every a street police officer??? Was he ever in the military??? The mayor is has foreign military experience (Israeli Army) so he knows how well it works and if he forbids its use then the blame must fall on him for the results
2/17/2012 12:40:00 AM
What do you expect. McGoof was the right hand guy of former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who is now in Federal Prison. Chicago isn't the only big city with big bosses who go away for a while but we do have the only big boss who was part of a mob jewel theft ring.
He is mostly right. Under perfect conditions of weather and deployment, tear gas is pretty effective. But the history of its use shows it has often been counterproductive.
It could be that given the swirling winds downtown that it might be all but unusable in any effective way.
Dear Mr. Superintendent,
As one of your officers unfortunate enough to be considered tier 1 or whatever the hell you want to call it, for the upcoming G8/Nato summits I find it disgusting to think that the safety and well being of one of your officers has no relevance to you!
The fact that you are unwilling to provide the highest level of protection and utilize a proven, effective tool (tear gas) against protesters whose primary goal is to hurt and even kill police officers shows not only your lack of intelligence but your general disdain for your men or our welfare.
I realize that only a percentage of these protesters will come here with bad intentions, but is one officer being seriously injured or even killed ok with you just because you have to answer to fucking Rahm or your too afraid the news will broadcast tear gas being deployed?
Now, I already know the answer to my question, but you would think a blow hard "I'm the working police and I've been there" cop like yourself would think policeman before politician, but unfortunately we have come to see how untrue that really is about you.
I understand the strain that must be put on you trying to please the rank and file and still keeping your wanna be politician head up Rahm's ass, but is it really worth it?
The bottom line is, if you were any ever kind of real policeman you would want and do everything in your power to have our best interests in mind come May, and it just isn't so.
We need to jam the communications of the protesters, we need tear gas, we need new facemasks, but most importantly we need our so called boss to have our backs in May.
So what's it gonna be Garry---COP OR POLITICIAN?
Maybe they should keep playing videos of past G8 riots from other cities ~ isn't that proof enough of what these local terrorists are about?!
A crowd of 10,000? How about 100,000. Someone told the Reader that there are 11,000 in CPD. HMMMM
This is NOT a racist story, just one I'd like to share from the GOOD days of 153.
One year, for some unknown reason, the Eurotrash, mostly Polish, decided to riot around Belmont and Central for Polish Constitution day or some other made up BS. They were acting similar to the good citizens of the west side after the last Bulls victory...and were treated as such. The best line I ever heard as I watched a smiling black officer, whom I always respected, empty his ISPERN tank into the crowd of mostly underage, completely drunken, belligerent, bottle throwers was, " Man, this is great! I never thought I'd get to hose down the white folks!" This left half our team laughing so hard we were useless for a few minutes!
Good times. Good, EFFECTIVE times!
I don't know what kind of OC spray you guys carry..but I carry Fox Labs 5.3....Absolutley devastating...I recommend it for your wives to carry...make sure you get the cone spray though..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kAkHPuBM8U
Two words describe McDummy to a "T":
Fall Guy
G8 will explode and Rahm will push McSesppuku on to his sword....
One more good video of the effectiveness of Fox Labs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NHQG_Qyvp8&feature=related
2/17/2012 03:10:00 AM
I also would like to add that all of this idea of bailouts is not to bail out Greece or banks, auto companies, etc.... But in the end it bails out the bond holders. Ultimately, when large businesses or even countries fail/can not pay their bills, they restructure their debts. They tell the bond holders "ok, we can give you 30 cents on the dollar" and also in the marketplace the bonds are traded based upon how likely they are to be paid back (as one chief factor but there are others too).
In the end, the bond holders and banks want to get paid if their investment decision is right. But if their decision is wrong they still want to get paid via the tax payer.
So it's heads I win and tails you lose.
I don't know why all you guys are worried. All we gotta do is get some of these ne'er do wells together and just tell them to "KNOCK IT OFF"!!
If the police don't not utilize OC, CS, or OC gas, that doesn't mean that the protestors won't have some. Yea, leave your gas mask behind, goof! If the department doesn't prepare you, prepare yourself the best you can and hope for the best.
Every single law enforcement officer should of been doing some sort of training on their own. Whether its boxing/running /martial arts/yoga/taking stress management classes something to prepare them in the words of Col Grossman "Never stop training"
Remain calm all is well......ALL IS WELL!!!!
Chicago is like the Kevin Bacon character at the end of Animal house when the parade turns to shit.
Every single law enforcement officer should of been doing some training on their own. Whether its taking boxing lessons, running, martial arts training, yoga or taking some stress management classes to help them become prepare mentally and physically for this nonesense of a G 8 Summit. In the words of a legend Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman: Bulletproof Mind "Always keep training mentally in prepration for combat."
What about acts of terroism? Has anyone talked about that yet.
At G8 training the instructor joked in the most condesending way about being attacked with a molotov coctail "well if you see it commin just get out the way"
Is it possible that we wont see it coming, due to it coming from the back of a large crowd thaty block you view?
Should we be wearing fire resistant clothing?
Will we be provided these items?
The protestors in Oakland california USA were attacked with fire bombs and also cut with razor knifes. WE ARE SCREWED
What happenes if your riot gear is soiled by thrown shit , piss or any other nasty stuff thrown by these a-holes? who has a replacement for us?
When all is said and done, whether this thing goes off without a hitch or there are massive riots, property destruction, and police and fire causalities, Tiny Dancer will use it to screw the CPD and the CFD. Tiny Dancer will blame CPD and CFD for everything, watch!
Kinda like telling the bad guys when we're gonna pull our troops out
A concerned p.o. has to buy his own training materials from Amazon. Fucking priceless. Too bad it's the truth.
I'd suggest napalm for crowd control. It marks riot participants with hard-to-remove third degree burns. As a side benefit, it significantly reduces recidivism.
Court side GMac is worried about noxious gas.
He's being told to keep his trap shut...or else.
As Athens burns Chicago becomes Pleasantville because Rahm says so. Has the City forgot about last summers lakefront & Michigan Ave. wildings?
Did the City fine any of these miscreants? NO !
Why impose large fines on civil disobedients when there's plenty of revenue to come from the new speed camera network.
These weasels havent a ounce of tough. Just big mouths and blame.
Typical Democrats.
Sorry guys, its actually us Detroits bribing your government to tie your hands. Once Chicago is a smoldering wreckage, we can rebuild as the most glorious city in the Midwest. Nothing personal!
I'm gonna let them people go by me!
Fuck you putting us in harms way with no means of fighting back!
The Police has been de-balled and Pussyfied!
Da Pelon
I got an idea!
Put camaras up at all intersections to photograph the crowds of protesterds and have no Police on the streets!
Let the camaras arrest the people if necessary!
This is NOT a racist story, just one I'd like to share from the GOOD days of 153.
One year, for some unknown reason, the Eurotrash, mostly Polish, decided to riot around Belmont and Central for Polish Constitution day or some other made up BS. They were acting similar to the good citizens of the west side after the last Bulls victory...and were treated as such. The best line I ever heard as I watched a smiling black officer, whom I always respected, empty his ISPERN tank into the crowd of mostly underage, completely drunken, belligerent, bottle throwers was, " Man, this is great! I never thought I'd get to hose down the white folks!" This left half our team laughing so hard we were useless for a few minutes!
Good times. Good, EFFECTIVE times!
Hilarious indeed!
Its a way he and rahm do not have to give us gas masks or issue newer ones to us. FUCK EM, if they use gas sue him personally as well as the city.
Here's a few things to consider.
Urine and feces are considered biohazard material. What plans does the department have in place to decontaminate officers hit with it? Are replacement uniforms and gear going to be issued to officers? Is there a process in place to fill out Exposure Forms on officers who are struck and to do follow on testing to insure there are no medical problems? What are we going to do with soiled uniforms? Are officers expected to take them home and wash them?
Next, our uniforms are a polyster and cotton mix. When struck by burning gasoline, they will burn and melt into the skin. The military figured this out in Iraq/Afghanistan. Are officers going to get issued uniforms with any sort of fire retardant properties? If not, will officers be issued any sort spray that can be applied to uniforms to provice SOME protection? Further, will there be any sort of portable tactical fire extinguishers issued to officers to put themselves or their peers out once set on fire?
Are officers going to be provided any sort of first aid training and equipment? Is there going to be a process in place to get injured officers off the line and to medical assistance when the line is being attacked?
Are there plans in place to provide food, water, and bathroom facilities to officers who will be standing on a line wearing heavy gear for long stretches of time?
Just wondering......
Hey, SCC:
Speaking of G8, did you see the cover story of the 2/16/2012 issue of the Chicago Reader? ("Your NATO/G8 Primer: Everything you wanted to know about hosting international summits but were afraid to ask," by Ben Joravsky and Mick Dumke). It's all about
how Rahm Emanuel single-handedly rammed this "event" down the city's throat, with no input, discussion, or analysis permitted, just like a Communist dictator would do! Further, there are contracts involved where Rahm's insider friends are going to make a lot of money on this summit, and there was no competitive bidding...
Furthermore, the artcle shows how the local "news" media eats up all of the senseless, no-substance responses from the Mayor's office to any questions asked by the media. Still, the media doesn't tell the people that they were stone-walled...they just eat it up and love it!
When will the people of Chicago wake up and realize that they made a horrible mistake, voting Rahm into office? This article spells out what an ego-maniac tyrannical ruler he is, and the city council (with a just a few exceptions) just cowers in fear, and rubber-stamps EVERYTHING Rahm wants.
If we are going to keep Rahm in office, we could save a fortune by just firing all 50 aldermen and be officially ruled by the Great Dictator Rahm Emanuel alone, since that is exactly what we have NOW, anyway!
And as far as the news media goes, since they refuse to ever ask the "tough questions" and let Rahm get away with everything, they might as well become an official dept. of the Mayor's Office...we could call them "Pravda Chicago."
Occupy City Hall!
V is for Vendetta!
The Lying Media is the Enemy!
How many police officers will retire between now and the G8/NATO summits?
This could be the biggest story about the summits that no one is talking about!
The protestors in Oakland california USA were attacked with fire bombs and also cut with razor knifes. WE ARE SCREWED
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Wow. Who attacked the "protestors?" The police?
Please guys, stop posting while drunk. Non-police reading this will see how stupid we are.
I had the large can of OC during two Bulls "celebrations". The Lt said to use it......we did, and man it fucking works!
That was a blast!
I'm going to team up with RoboCooter, the rioters won't stand a chance.
Anonymous said...
Let May be the Month of Peace, Love, and Understanding!
2/17/2012 01:30:00 AM
The Moon will be in the 7th House....
I had the large can of OC during two Bulls "celebrations". The Lt said to use it......we did, and man it fucking works!
That was a blast
$$$$$$$$$
Do that for G*NATO and you will be helping Rahm The Couted and YOU will be fired
So who wins?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's a few things to consider.
Urine and feces are considered biohazard material. What plans does the department have in place to decontaminate officers hit with it? Are replacement uniforms and gear going to be issued to officers? Is there a process in place to fill out Exposure Forms on officers who are struck and to do follow on testing to insure there are no medical problems? What are we going to do with soiled uniforms? Are officers expected to take them home and wash them?
Next, our uniforms are a polyster and cotton mix. When struck by burning gasoline, they will burn and melt into the skin. The military figured this out in Iraq/Afghanistan. Are officers going to get issued uniforms with any sort of fire retardant properties? If not, will officers be issued any sort spray that can be applied to uniforms to provice SOME protection? Further, will there be any sort of portable tactical fire extinguishers issued to officers to put themselves or their peers out once set on fire?
Are officers going to be provided any sort of first aid training and equipment? Is there going to be a process in place to get injured officers off the line and to medical assistance when the line is being attacked?
Are there plans in place to provide food, water, and bathroom facilities to officers who will be standing on a line wearing heavy gear for long stretches of time?
Just wondering......
2/17/2012 05:40:00 PM
Hey gary mcmouth any answer here?
Don't count on the CPD or CFD having radio communications during G8. ANYONE having only the slightest bit of radio know-how can order equipment on-line, and using Google, can find all the information about our frequencies, and they can completely jam every zone and citywide for an indefinite period of time. And the "Anonymous" hacker group can shut down our computers, pdts, AIRA, Clear, everything. Cell phone may be the only way to communicate. Oh, and look up "swatting" on Google, while you're at it. I would expect they will do that to us, as well. Have fun!
***********ALERT****************
To my CPD brothers and sisters, just signed the paperwork and it is official had everything taken out of my name,my kids are raised,wife will be OK financially. The warning is if you harm any of my brothers or sisters,do you actually think any boss is going to stop a determined man from achieving his objective? My stress level is high, my morale is low, In the 1980's just after i got on CPD I had a bad turn of medical events, I "coded out," in the ER,I will NEVER FORGET how my CPD brothers and sisters came to visit,and how during my long hospital stay my wife and babies were checked on by CPD members like Atlantis I have risen, great physical shape, been training with many different types of weapons, when any of the idiots coming here cause havoc their world will be changed forever!
Look at this way a police officer or firefighter are like everyone else, in that they come to work, do their jobs, get paid and raise their families,we are your neighbors and friends,and just like any sensible person would not allow their family to be hurt/killed I for 1 will be right there to do whatever is necessary to make sure they and of course myself go home safely.
"We fight as a team or go home alone."
PS: This is not a threat in anyway just a statement!
Rahm Emanuel never was in the Israeli Army. He was in a program in which foreigners, esp. Americans, can help in logistics, usually maintenance work (on tanks, trucks, etc).
I don't think the IDF has ballerinas in their front line forces.
Re tear gas. Okay but what about good old nausea gas? It would really give some meaning to the "Occupoop Movement" by giving them a real "movement".
"All power to toilet paper"!
I'm training a couple of hours a day on my own. My strict regimen includes boxing, free weights and playing Call of Duty; Modern Warfare 3.
"We fight as a team or go home alone."
FIGHT????? Fuk it let the protestors have it! I will do nothing after years of being Fuked over by the CLOUTED. We they march at me I will back up and give them ground. The powers that be will not back us up and will be there to fire us
Greece might be a good place to check today. Youtube is filled with current video's of burning buildings surrounded by teargas.
There's a class war developing. Greeks are watching their nation being sold out from under them. Germany is quoted in the press that the Greek government should be replaced with a outside leadership that doesn't belong to either political party. WTF is that? A cor[prate party controlled by bankers with the famous Greek isles soon to be restricted access to the elites?
Thats because in Greece they get to retire very young . What did they expect was going to happen after a while. Its part there fault for not realizing you cant do this. And Im talking very young. I heard in there mid 40s there able to retire. I could be wrong though.
Are there plans in place to provide food, water, and bathroom facilities to officers who will be standing on a line wearing heavy gear for long stretches of time?
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given the shear number of city owned facilities down town you would think the city would just set up a few of them for this purpose.
plenty of parks with toilet and water in the area at least. maybe they should put up signs reserving some of them for cops. (note use of sarcasm)
It is an interesting question though. Anyone who had experience running a construction site would understand this kind of problem. The military has standards for this kind of thing. There are bound to be a few people with military experience involved in this mess. You would hope their input on some of these practical problems would be solicited.
I think no one at the top expects it to amount to all that much. Based on similar meetings in other places in the US, I don't see it being all that big of a deal either. A lot of noise, some mess, and some minor rioting that is not much different then what happens after a Bulls championship. That is the history of what happens with G8 meetings in the US.
And really, you cannot adequately prepare for a serious riot. There is nothing you can do short of setting up machine gun nests and mowing the rioters down that will stop a full scale riot.
History suggests that what will happen in a serious riot is the police will be pulled back and used to protect areas of the city deemed important enough while other areas are allowed to burn. It is not a real pleasant thought, but as a practical matter, it may be all that can be done. I would be real surprised if there were not contingency plans for this in the event of any serious problem.
Hoepfully, the people running things keep their cool and don't allow it to degenerate into a mess like 1968. You really cannot control a crowd of this size. You channel it a little, but trying to prevent them from protesting in an effective way will just make things far worse.
Not a cop.
I dont think 1 day of training and one e learning video prepares us for what is coming in May.When you do the research of all the other cities that had a G8 or Nato, the police and fire received more than a 1 day training. Our department doesn't have actual plans for police trained medics for first aid. Not to mention the idea of a staging area for decom if we are hit with human waste. And for the issue of equipment, the one day training just mentioned what we might want to wear to this party.
We all know that coppers are coppers and have their own idea of equipment and believe that the department will come through at the last minute. I personally have no faith in the department in addressing that issue but to say we have a uniform check...po's personal choice to actually protect themselves
All this fun actually starts on the first of May, May Day. The department hasnt considered that occupy Chicago protesters are already here and wanting to protest that day. So one has to ask.... whos going to St Judes? All the people coming to G8 and NATO will probably make a visit to see what we're all about. And what happens if a few want to start early?
I hope I'm wrong and it is a peaceful protest for both summits. But to see past performance from the last summits and what the current state of our economy, people are pissed! London had hosted the G8 and Nato before and the had admitted is was a mistake.
So I hope that this post makes PO's think about what is going to happen in May and think what is important to them. I would like to see that no PO gets injured in May and we all go home safe. Please take care yourself and your partners. We're not getting help from outside agencies it's just us.
be safe
PO "waiting for retirement"
To bosses who think they know what they are doing......Fuck you!
one day training does not prepare us for what's coming.
I was a former member of the HBT team, during the Bulls Riots we used OC, also known as pepper spray, we used it efficiently under the guidance of Chief Eddie King, a Black boss with great spirit, he never said don't use it on my people, we kept law and order after the first Bulls win, if you needed to be sprayed due to your unlawful acts, you were. it disipates rather fast and my opinion is if you are not involved as a protestor, but merely want to join in from the sidelines as if it is a special event then you too shall reap the taste of OC Gas. McCarthy is a fool to say we will not use this, I would say not to use it in ther central loop area due to it be pulled thru vents, but gas the carap out of them unlawful people in Grant Park. Show thewm Chicago is not a playground for mal contented goofs.
It's more like 400,000 protesters from 60+ different cause groups. All starting May 1st throughout the entire month. Rahm and McCarthy needs to stop lying to the public.
Don't worry we are going down in flames,this city will burn and all in it,we are going to hell and it's hot there,along with Mc Goof and Rahminator 9.5! We are Doomed!Go directly to Hell,do not collect a Gas mask,do not complain go directly to hell.
TO ALL THE G8 AND NATO PROTESTERS: Come one come all to Chicago! It's going to be a free pass to run over this city, then when you finish all your business, you can get paid by all the waiting civil rights lawyers who want your business, we have lots of money to spend on you. Invite all your friends too! The police are not going to do anything to you, they want to keep there jobs.
Why do we always have this expectation that the new Superintendant will be a real street cop or one of our own? Our mayor will always appoint him, which is wrong, not only morally wrong, but ethically. There is no checks and balances when anyone is appointed, he should be hired by a panel of policeman and certain leaders, but not many. And his track record as a policeman should be a big part of it. Weiss, mcCarthy, rodriguez, these were and are nothing but puppets to the mayor who will never cross him or put him in bad favor. What do you expect from these people? Until we change this, we are forever a joke of a department.
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G-wow makes Jfled look good
Its the same in the burbs. Chiefs think they have teams on "reserve" in case it spreads to the burbs. What they dont realize is, unless you have a team staged, feeding and housing them, they are not going to respond. If they are working, Chiefs will not release them from duty and pay out ot. If they are at home and not being paid to be "on call" they are not coming. The big shots in the south burbs, Folliard and Chudwin, dont have a plan but say they have a team in "reserve". What does that entail? What is the plan?
I hear 30 signed up for the Field Force. Anybody hear anything else? What a fucking disaster. Hair Gels are going to get fucked up.
GMac knows better than GM's engineers and lawyers and the Michigan State Police who actually test police vehicles like our Tahoes on tracks at high speeds, and he knows more about chemical agents than so-called "chemists."
Ok, stick with 10,000 protesters. Its going to bite you in the ass.
By Paul Day and Tomás Cobos
MADRID, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Hundreds of thousands of people protested across Spain on Sunday against reforms to the labour market they fear will destroy workers' rights and spending cuts they say are destroying the welfare state.
Organisers, including the two largest unions Comisiones Obreras and UGT, said as many as half a million people joined the protest in 57 towns and cities, although Spanish police gave no official estimate.
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2/18/2012 07:53:00 PM
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Jeez, do they pay you a fee for each post?
The biggest problem with gas is that career protesters have masks to prevent its' effects from changing behavior. I say you issue indian pumps full of (preferably used) vegetable oil and soak the ground until they can't stand up. That, or make the feds supply the foam. Either way, the rules for active denial have changed, the CPD has to adapt.
I left the job thirty years ago and spent the next 28 years in the military. I can say that I feel your pain but that's just bullshit and you know it. I think you guys are the real symbol of courage for facing this with the total lack of support you have. You have my complete and total admiration for standing fast. Maybe at least one person there gives a shit about what you're doing. It sure isn't your city government.
Its the same in the burbs. Chiefs think they have teams on "reserve" in case it spreads to the burbs. What they dont realize is, unless you have a team staged, feeding and housing them, they are not going to respond. If they are working, Chiefs will not release them from duty and pay out ot. If they are at home and not being paid to be "on call" they are not coming. The big shots in the south burbs, Folliard and Chudwin, dont have a plan but say they have a team in "reserve". What does that entail? What is the plan?
Have you ever tried to get a bunch of cops together on a weekend without alcohol? Its not going to happen. Sounds like lip service.
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