Um, What's This?
Chicago Police officers may have to wait until next year to negotiate a new contract with the city — and forgo a retroactive pay increase in 2012 — thanks to an embarrassing oversight by the new leadership of the Fraternal Order of Police, City Hall sources said Tuesday.
Police and fire contracts are due to expire on June 30, but a little-known clause requires unions to notify the city between Feb. 1 and March 1 that they intend to terminate their contracts and commence negotiations on a new agreement. If they don’t serve notice during that time, the contract automatically rolls over for another year.
City firefighters and unions representing police sergeants, lieutenants and captains notified the city within the required time frame.
But City Hall contends FOP President Mike Shields missed the March 1 deadline, giving Mayor Rahm Emanuel an opening to either put off negotiations until June 30, 2013, or negotiate only those items that would cut taxpayer costs.
A mayoral confidant emphasized that the city has not yet decided whether to “stick it in the ear” of rank-and-file police officers.
“But we’re reserving the right to be selective in what we talk about because they blew it,” the source said.
"stick it in the ear?" How about a bit lower?
One has wonder what the FOP is going to have to give up in order to make things right.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 4:45 AM
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OT: What about the Chicago Crime Commission's Book on Gangs?
WGN-TV had a big story on it last night saying there was a lot of wrong information in it.
Decreased members had pictures in it. People who were out of the gangs still were noted as being "active". Looks like the book is not accurate.
Is that why J-Fled left?
Better pucker up again Chicago taxpayers. The city has announced that the Chicago Public Schools will have a $700 MILLION defict for next year! Looks like the Daley micro manager strikes again. Most of this will be from the city not paying into the teachers pension fund for 3 years. Our property tax bills will be zooming upwards folks. Hold onto your wallets!
wtf!
Stuck in the ear = even more blood in the streets than what is already going on now.
Good luck with that.
Don't give up one thing. We're used to having to wait more than a year anyway, so what's the difference. I, for one, don't want to concede one thing to 9.5. He isn't going to concede anything to us. And there were plenty of hold over officials reelected with little Mikey that we shouldn't be in this uncomfortable position.
I don't know if this one is true or not but we will see who sticks what in whose ear. Rahm needs me more than I need him.
I am so glad my time left here is now measured in months less than 6.
Heard this on the radio this morning while making my coffee. And all I could think is that Rahm is either going to screw us OR he's going to try to come out as a "benevolent" leader and not stick it in [our asses] so that the people of Shitcago (and those cops and firefighters who can't see past the ends of their noses) think he's a great guy.
This was clearly done on purpose if true, this hand job Shields is a flunky for Rham trying to solidify a spot at that steel mill. I say we sue Shields.
The childten are in chatge. Greg please run again in a few years.
this is what you get when you guys elect a DUMB FUCK no nothing mike sheilds, you know he doesnt give a shit because he is taking home his big paycheck
If the city is using language like "stick it in there ear" then it will be all out war by Rhambito.
Solution is to use our discretion in not writing parkers, movers, DUIs and a slew of other misdemeanors. Of course thats a pipe dream because we have no unity as police officers.
Shields is an idiot - a complete moron, we blast people for electing Obama, Quinn, Madigan, yet our weakasses did they same stupid thing when we elected Shields.
I have my important dates marked in my FOP book all the way until Nov. How the fuck hard is that.
Wait a minute... A cost of living raise vs. the option of not going to the table at all this year? Not being the first one through the door when the shots are being fired? Letting someone else take the heat with a chance the economy will be better in a year when its our turn to step up to the table? Letting a LOVED department like fire get what they can first then we get to have a mediator who has no choice but to say "Well you gave it to the fire department?"
I am NOT a big fan of the current FOP. But it seems to me that as long as we DON'T STEP UP TO THE TABLE AT ALL, we could walk away from this pretty sweet. I mean what do I lose? My .00000001% raise for this year???
Can someone please explain if I am looking at this wrong? Again, as long as we don't HAVE to go to the table. From an earlier SCC posting:
Section 28.1 — Term of Agreement.
This Agreement shall be effective from July 1, 2007 and shall remain in full force and effect until June 30, 2012. It shall continue in effect from year to year thereafter unless notice of termination is given, in writing, by certified mail, by either party no earlier than February 1, 2012 and no later than March 1, 2012. The notices referred to shall be considered to have been given as of the date shown on the postmark. Written notice may be tendered in person, in which case the date of notice shall be the written date of receipt. It is mutually agreed that the Articles and Sections shall constitute the Agreement between the parties for the period defined in this Section.
Where in this mess does it say Tiny Dancer 9.5 gets to drag us to the table to only talk about "items that would cut taxpayer costs?"
Well this deserves a Vote of No Confidence for FOP for sure. Wow!! You guys are fools. That's what happens when you run three jobs. FOP, Pension Board and Jetty Security Company. You have surrounded yourself with idiots and now we have to pay. I don't think so. Send a message to FOP, pull your dues for 3-4 months. You don't need Commander pay Mike or the rest of you. You really need to get your heads out of each other asses. Slick move Mike!!
Mike and Dan Shields!! Dumb and Dumber!!
For real are u kidding me No way Jose this is not going to happen to me for the third time time to fight back.
This is who we've entrusted to negotiate our next contract.
We are fucked. Rahm must've gotten a chubby over this.
Way to go Mikey!
And the well thought out plan is working!!! We (fop) do NOT want to settle the contract now, or soon because we know that we are going to get fucked no matter what.....so what can we do??? Extend it. So now although we aren't GAINING anything (we never would anyway) we aren't LOSING anything. We get to enjoy our uniforrm, duty availability, medical, ect. Hopefully our Prez can extend it for a few more years!!!! Great strategic move!
if we re elect Mike Shields next time around after a foolish significant oversight like this next time then we are the fools as well. Shields ego has gotten in the way and he has no focus besides on himself. We need to elect someone older and with some maturity. He is to young and childish to be in the position he is in as President. City Leaders think he is arrogant and loose lips. He is rose fast and will fall faster.
Stick it in my ear and I will stick it in yours! No more rush hour parkers, tows, or $1000 suspended DL impounds! Two could play that game!
A little history lesson is needed. You may be a bit young to remember a twenty three day strike by firefighters that resulted in the first contract. There were no contracts and no benefits prior to the firefighters bitter fight. Other than the last contract, Local 2 has always been out front in contract negotiations. Rather than create anamosity why not lift together for the good of all.
Shields has too much on his plate. Can't effectively run the FOP, Pension Board, Security Company, raise a family, etc. When you try to do too many different things, you won't do any of them well.
Whoops! I'm sure this was an oversight! I'm sure this has nothing to do with backdoor dealing! It just happens to result in Police Officers being back doored. Mike Sheilds, I don't think that your security gig(as well as the conflict of intrest it might create) had anything to do with this. Hell, maybe pixies will come sprinkle ferry dust in the Mayors office and he won't fuck us.
Watch carefully what happens over the next year. But now our contract won't be an issue during our thorough preperation for NATO. Shame on you Mike. You screwed us all for your own benefit. As usual we did it to ourselves in part POs. My vote is one of no confidence in you Mr. Shields. Cops screwing cops! Can morale get any lower.
this is a prety big f-ck up. whats up rookies. u sticking it to us as well.
I say we give up on the Mike Shields experiment. This is where our "NO CONFIDENCE" vote should be cast.
Good job Mikey.You incompetent arrogant little prick.Maybe if you showed up for work once in awhile this would'nt have happened.
anyone else think its about time for another rally around city hall before nato/g8 to get our point across and put the heat and spotlight on the mayor and our manpower shortage?
What's most telling is Shields "responding in an email." He's got no problem going in front of the microphones to talk about shortages, but when the heat turns to him, and when the media crosshairs are trained on him.. he finds a convenient hiding place.."responding in an email." I think that's telling folks.
FOP- You guys are fucking idiots! Especially Rich Aquilar. What an arrogant asshole!
President Shields is in spin control early today considering I got a email from FOP at 7:45 am where he talks about this just being a distraction and to not worry. Looks like this rookie is a fool and not up for the challenge and responsibility of being in his leadership role as FOP president. I voted for you MIke and supported you at the start but now I can guarantee I will not vote for you next time. Dougharty has my vote if he runs next time. He is a gentleman and has the knowledge and experience unlike Mike Shields.
Just some advice Mike! Humble yourself because people are quickly losing there patients with your arrogance. I am just saying........
Seems like the FOP already gave up their souls
That's what happens when we elect some one with ten years on the job. Hats off to all the jerks who voted for this clown. At Bella had already been thru a couple of contract neg with the city. He would have caught this.
Instead of hiring a spokesperson he should have hired an officer manager!!!!!!!! This sucks. So now we will probably have to negotiate our uniform allowance , duty availability and medical. This job sucks! This city sucks!!!!!!! Time to start looking at other options! This used to be the most exciting job around . Now , it seems like prison!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
One simple question to the FOP, did they give notice defined below?
I want to hear a yes or no. I do not want any lawyer talk or double speak that they blame that the City does.
YES OR NO?
ection 28.1 — Term of Agreement.
This Agreement shall be effective from July 1, 2007 and shall remain in full force and effect until June 30, 2012. It shall continue in effect from year to year thereafter unless notice of termination is given, in writing, by certified mail, by either party no earlier than February 1, 2012 and no later than March 1, 2012. The notices referred to shall be considered to have been given as of the date shown on the postmark. Written notice may be tendered in person, in which case the date of notice shall be the written date of receipt. It is mutually agreed that the Articles and Sections shall constitute the Agreement between the parties for the period defined in this Section.
Great job Mike, after not supporting concealed carry and now this I wonder who you represent us or the hacks in City Hall
Why would the FOP give a flying fuck about the Sgts, Lts, or Cpts? Maybe it was a conscious effort on FOPs part to let somebody else do their own heavy lifting.
I may be wrong but I don't see how the City can only negotiate what is beneficial to them. That's not the way arbitration works.
There was no contract violation...geez, read your contract guys. The Mayor's stooge (Fran Spielman) is playing you guys. In my 30 years as a Police Officer, I have never seen a Mayor who dislikes the Police, Fire, and City Workers so much. He's even worse than Daley.
Old Retired Guy
We were sold down the river. I wonder what soft landing spot is ready when shields is done...
it looks like maybe its time for new blood. or maybe go to a union meeting once in awhile. no better yet call the mayor names. now that we have stubbed our toe, its time to plea for mercy. you know the mayor is fearful of what we can do.the only power he respects is at election booth.
i'm no F.LeeBailey by a long shot
but even in my feeblemindness i would think i would remeber a deadline like that
as for rahmbo sticking it in thier ear when hasnt he tried to stick in some one's ear at one time or another looks like it's time to find new attorny's for the FOP
Face it. Shields is Rahm's guy. WE blew it by electing him.
At least I voted for Paschke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do we stop paying union dues? Seriously, what are they doing for us?
FOP does not have to give up a fucking thing. Read the Public Employee Labor Relations Act. This whole story is just bullshit. Don't fall for it, SCC.
Complete nonsense. If the City could stick it in our "ear" over a billion dollar plus contract, they would. They can't. City and FOP discussed upcoming negotiations on several issues late last year. Call their bluff, FOP!
Great move Mike! Thanks for letting us keep what we have for time being! The City is raping the teachers and we are next. The educated members of the FOP understand ur plan. Nice strategic move. We are winning the chess match!!!
IT'S ALL GOOD . . .
Keep the contract the way it is now and the FOP should TAKE IT'S TIME going through negotiations with the city!!!
WAIT til' the economy comes back perhaps in 3 to 5 years.
NO FIRE or POLICE department has won any major amount of a pay increase in the last 4 years.
As long as we DO NOT negotiate we will NOT lose any thing in our current contract.!
Perhaps Sheilds team was smart enough to realize they should not do anything and just let the contract stand as it is.
WAIT several years until the economy get better.
RAHM can not take away anything if just sit on our hands!
I'm really motivated now! Yeah Boy!
Does anybody really believe Mikey Shields did this on accident? You saw his endorsements, his loyalty is not with its members. He's gunning for a state job and he's selling patrolmen out to get there. This was no accident. He's going to put up a good act blaming the City but don't drink the kool-aid!
You've got to be kidding....this was true?
Maybe Shields is in Rahms pocket, Im starting to wonder.
So glad to see our mayor support our police. Sorry guys, hang tough.
Civilian post.
Whatafuck!
We pay the FOP a lot of money and this, if true, is unacceptable.
Give up nothing. We are going to be waiting 18-24 months for a new contract anyways. Also we still have a me too clause with the other unions let them start negotiations. On the FOP website it exPlains this issue better. I do believe they missed the deadline in the contract to terminate the contract, but the did it appears find a loophole in state law by sending a letter to modify the contract within 60 days of the end of the contract. This looks like we end up in the same place no matter what. We never actually terminate our contract anyways we just make some modifications each time. As far as this contract negotiation waiting for the economy to get stronger might be a good move. As usual the city is crying poor. Even though Rahm just had a few big news conferences to announce hundreds of millions in spending at city colleges. Maybe we should just ask for Ald Burkes cut of the CPS milk money contract.
Rhams & company are not feiends to us or any other working middle class people.
Just look at the "fees" he has raised, that mostly impact the middle class workers
don't negotiate this year. wait a year and negotiate when the economy might be a bit better.
don't worry cpd won't receive any raises next contract . city will take away uniform allowance , duty availability and supervisors bs 45 min a day overtime for doing nothing . city will offer a 3 % shifht differential for officers on the 1st and 3rd watches to get vote to pass contract , money for day time dollies and house cats gone.
bye bye lil mikey boy. Pack you sh*t and go home you little twerp! Way to go to the idiots who voted this crybaby into this position. All bark no bite from little mike.
FOP RESPONSE:
Contract Negotiations Clarification
No matter what you read in the Sun Times quoting "off the record" sources, there is no dispute between the FOP and the City regarding upcoming contract negotiations. Our agreement was timely re-opened on March 20, 2012, well within the time limits that apply for modifications that would improve your labor agreement, address the critical issue of manpower, the safety of the public and of police officers, increase your wages and improve officers' welfare. Under the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act, 5 ILCS 315/7, a party to a collective bargaining agreement must terminate or modify the agreement by giving the other side notice of the intent to terminate or modify the agreement 60 days before the expiration date. Our contract expires June 30. Therefore, any notice before May 1 would have been timely notice. The IPLRA does not require us to give the City notice by March 1.
However, the labor agreement, Section 28.1, is anything but clear and unambiguous. The agreement provides that "notice of termination" must be given by March 1, 2012. FOP never intended to send a notice of termination. Our labor agreement needs modifications, not termination.
Your core negotiating committee has already solicited your ideas for improving our contract and the committee will be representing your interests in the negotiations no matter when the City comes to the table.
hey didnt fop forgive the city a pension obligation several years ago? now the city wants to stick it in our ear. could fop please come out to the districts and talk to the membership? i will now sit down with folded arms and shut up.
Is this surprising from the union president who presented the newly-elected jewish mayor, crucifix cuff links? when is shields going to learn to walk around the piles of dogshit and not track it home? couldn't he at least hire a pro? how much would pleines be worth now? figure $350 per member, that's the 12 hours of pay one lost holiday costs all 10,000 POs. how much is it going to cost us to teach shields lessons we learned in beat cars? NO 33 YO COPPER SHOULD BE MAKING A QUARTER MIL!
S.C.C. - Please examine the slaries of FOP officals in 2010 according to the organization's IRS 990 Form:
Mark Donahue - $209,709
Bill Doughery - $153,832
Frank DiMaria - $159,397
Greg Bella - $157,947
Rich Aguilar - $158,643
Jima Bailey - $146,582
Sid Davis - $155,636
Granted the salaries included retroactive money, but the question still remains, "How much money are these guys truly making?" Will the current FOP administration publish their salaries in an effort for transparency?
Sadly I voted for this idiot....when will I be able to vote him out?
Ridiculous! Shields is a sell out and a screw up. Definately not voting for him again. Officers need to pay a bit more attention to what's going on with FOP and the union. We pay for it, we should ask for it.
Who gives a shit about a retro check!!? Give up NOTHING!!!!!! Start giving things up and that's when it really unravels!
one word... Bella. we miss you! :-(
At election time nobody listened to those of us that knew what Mike Shields was all about. If this is true, I would advise the union to just take it in the ass and open up negotiations in 2013. We have zero leverage thanks to this mishap, and Rahm isn't going to be sympathetic to our plight.
Can we impeach that fucker?
According to the FOP site,they filed the required nice within the required timeframe. Bunch of hoopla over nothing.
good, the usual activity will continue to be generated by this po which is very little--- remember, we went with the 5 year deal that the city requested for a paltry 6.5 percent net raise over 5 years--- now the city says we don't know if we want to stick it in the ear of the rank and file--- you already stuck it in about 3 feet, how much more sticking are you going to do.....
Sorry Mikey,
Fire yourself.
Too big to ignore.
Please attempt to stick it anywhere you want. The city is going to have this NATO thing in May and a hot Summer. I am going to answer my calls real slowly and make sure everything is done just right. Maybe my Sgt is going to call me back to make sure I have provided great service. Just give us a cause to rally behind.
Go to the FOP Update site.
hmmmmm go ahead....right before Nato? Foolish Foolish man....MUUUUHHHAAAA stick in our ear! I dare ya.
FOP has alot of spening to do Lucy.
Reading is a skill.
"Um, What's This?" A CFD Lieutenant neighbor of mine told me recently that because he is also crossed trained as a Paramedic, and keeps his licence current, he qualifies for a 5% pay up grade. That pay upgrade is pensionable which means he pays for and will get the pension about equal to a CFD Captain.
Could his be our way of getting the Out of Grade Pay for Acting Desk Sergeant, FTO, Watch Commander pensionable through the ME TOO clause?
Way to go, Mike! You are a waste of space. Thanks for nuthin' pal. 1 and done, you tool!
I tend to think that this was not an oversight by the FOP. Looking back over the past year our union has played soft ball with the Racoon. Who knows what deals our union has made with this asshole mayor. This is how the Racoon operates. Under the radar. Promises and threats.
I called the FOP today upon reading this story in the "news paper" and spoke to someone from the FOP who advised me this wasn't the case but I kind of felt like I wasn't getting a YES or NO answer...more of a lengthy explanation. Mike Shields please address this, Did you miss the deadlne or not ? YES or NO? I urge other FOP due paying members to do the same until a YES or NO public answer is given. The person I spoke to was very polite and professional, but still something doesn't seem right.
Typical City BULLSHIT! They always fuck with FOP at contract time.
SERIOUSLY?! ARE U SERIOUS?!FOP messed up? Maybe its because the FOP doesn't have well paid attorneys on its payroll to do all the contractual negotiating. Cops are negotiating at our negotiations and not as well versed in law as lawyers. I brought this very fact up at a meeting years ago and the powers that be were real smug about my comments. I said if you were sick, you would see a doctor, not a cop. I said if you wanted your taxes done, you would see a tax accountant, not a cop. I think you get my point. How this union of ours functions day to day is beyond me. With all the monies the FOP has in paying lamebrains you would think our monies would go to a few high powered attorneys to deal with high powered attorneys on the City of Chicago side. Unbelievable. Just really sickening to think that our best interests are not taken into account by the very people we trust to look out for us. Sometimes you have to wonder if we can sue our union for malpractice.
So now Mikey just affected me in the pocket? This guy just lost my vote next time. Why did I vote for this kid? This kid just royally screwed up and also 9,000 other coppers financially for one year potentially. He has no clue what he is doing and I demand a vote of NO CONFIDENCE.
We sound like morons on the radio. Mike Shields should be a man and resign from his post. I wouldn't doubt he did this on purpose for a good score with the City for his own future benefit.
The rank and file should be asking the infamous question to the FOP "Who do you serve, who do you protect"?
Then again maybe he was just following orders though, so it's okay, you never know.
Give up Mike Shields to the rank and file to chew and spit out that asshole and all the assholes who voted for this cockwipe!
FOP Comments
“There is no issue . . . regarding the FOP’s intent to modify the terms and conditions of the labor agreement that expires June 30,” he wrote. “While others may believe that negotiations should be about technicalities and posturing, the FOP believes the upcoming negotiations . . . should be about protecting the citizens of Chicago while respecting the incredible work performed by members of the FOP. The difficult issues out there like manpower need to be resolved by both sides sitting down to make the city safer.”
The membership should not let these comments distract us from the fact that FLOP and President Shields made a huge error. Don't lose sight of the ball officers. Do not let the FOP leadership blow smoke in our face at this crucial time when they made a huge huge mistake. FOP is totally inept and inexperienced in there new found roll. I personally supported Mr. Shields for President yet I which I could take back my vote. I believe he has good intent but the President is showing his inattention to his duties at a very important time of his tenure.
This is what happens when people take things for granted be it the FOP President, the Alderman, the Mayor, the Governor, the State Legislature, your Democrat or Republican leaders, the US President and the US Congress.
CPD has over 10,000 officers right, and apparently not one of them took the time or effort to look over their own contract and questioned the clause that's in question and if procedures were being followed in their own interest.
It's not much different on the political level so you can take comfort that you're not alone. If that means anything.
It's well past time that ALL these people be held accountable for their positions and the duties we have empowered them with. If they fail they must be called out, replaced, and held accountable.
You don't organize, don't vote and you get the leadership you deserve. How ya liking it so far?
The mayor's weasle AKA: snitch to the medis; got it wrong. Nice try.
Hey shields thanks for those really cool note pads u handed out at roll call. What a dip shit. And mr. Know it all aguilar didn't realize this either?
yep,your last line of defense between order and chaos and the mayor wants to screw with them!COPS ARE GETTIN SHOT AT,SHOT,AND KILLED!THEY DESERVE EVERY PENNY THE GET AND ALOT MORE MR MAYOR!!
Time FOP membership go for a no confidence vote against the fop leadership. How do you allow that to happen, oh wait no experience and you let the attorney steer you blind
The FOP is maintaining , via their updates, that this is all semantics. They claim they filed the appropriate paperwork within the proper time frame. I sure as Hell hope so cause otherwise Rahm will surely be looking to exploit their fuckup.
This never happened under any other FOP President; good or bad.
check out the FOP website they never missed the deadline.
http://www.chicagofop.org/contract-negotiations-clarification/
if FOP failed to file on time...top guy should resign.
Good job Mike, more useless than Donahue.
Anymore promises?
Who loves sheilds???? I do...I do... What a joke.
Thanks for dicking over overworked and under paid officer.
Um, I think they actually said 'stick it in the REAR' but Sneed edited the original comment.
"...Decreased members had pictures in it. People who were out of the gangs still were noted as being "active". Looks like the book is not accurate.
Is that why J-Fled left?
3/28/2012 04:55:00 AM"
For the gangs, "Once in, never out." What bad you do in life follows you forever.
For J-Fled, when the heat's on, "I gotta run." Just ask the friends of Detective Joe Airhart.
The worst enemy of black people are black people when it comes to crime, so why all the bullshit hate towards whites on cnn and everyother channel i tune into to? Black panthers and other groups threatening to riot and burn cities because some dude in a hood was creeping around houses maybe looking to steal something, gets confronted by the neighborhood watch guy. the neighborhood watch guy gets his ass kicked and is attacked and ultimately has to shoot the offender in self defense and because the dude is black, the entire nation has their panties in a bunch.
Why do you think City Hall publicly released this little tidbit?
If it strengthened their negotiations, why bother telling the public that the "stupid" FOP fucked up? Why not simply do nothing and then tell the public how smart Rahm is.
It's because, while the FOP did fuck up, the fuck up fucked up Rahm's master plan. Rahm does not want the contract to stay in place. Rahm wants to cut the
pay, cut the benefits, and cut the protections out of the contract. He's counting on new negotiations, otherwise he can't balance next year's budget when the parking meter money disappears.
If Rahm were happy about this, then Rahm would just screw us. He wouldn't telegraph it. He'd just do it.
The truth is that the FOP mistake, and believe me it was a mistake, is the best thing the FOP could do. Even if they never realized it.
One year of no raise while keeping all other benefits. That's the best possible outcome for us.
1001am>i think your wrong with the me too clause the cfd has it but not us?
Reading comprehension is a skill most on here do not have apparently. That being said how many of you attented the last meeting? Or for that matter attended a meeting ever? All the people that are bitched about are at the meeting. Come and yell at them in person. Remember they only get away with what you let them.
2 vice presidents and one president and nobody knew!!!
lots of cash on salary.
and what up with all those committees sound like lots of free cash flowing at FOP and little info flowing to the frontline.
And people think I am nuts because I max out deferred comp and have 3 side jobs!!
Anonymous said...
A little history lesson is needed. You may be a bit young to remember a twenty three day strike by firefighters that resulted in the first contract. There were no contracts and no benefits prior to the firefighters bitter fight. Other than the last contract, Local 2 has always been out front in contract negotiations. Rather than create anamosity why not lift together for the good of all.
3/28/2012 07:39:00 AM
I remember dropping my dad off at that B.O.B. they called it
He wont stick it in our ear. He has another warm fuzzy hole in mind to stick it.
Vote of No Confidence!
Everyone needs to go to the next MEETING!
Show up in numbers and DEMAND SHIELDS RESIGNS!
Don't give up one thing. We're used to having to wait more than a year anyway, so what's the difference. I, for one, don't want to concede one thing to 9.5. He isn't going to concede anything to us. And there were plenty of hold over officials reelected with little Mikey that we shouldn't be in this uncomfortable position.
3/28/2012 05:20:00 AM
This is a big dust-up about nothing. Let the rest of them all fight and bloody each other for a whole year. Then we can step in all fresh and ready to go. Its like a tag team match, except we do not have to be on the point. Sounds like a good resource and money-saving plan on the part of FOP-Lodge 7 president. Let them think we missed a deadline and they have the upper-hand. It is of no consequence to us.
This is total bs. I don't know how it started but it must be by someone who wants to make police officers and the fop look like fools. Note: if u fall for this bs you are looking like an ignorant fool. There is NO WAY the FOP should have given notice to terminate the contract. If you think they should have, then I guess you don't want your uniform allowance, quarterly checks and whatever other provisions in the contract which would end if the contract is terminated. All that is needed is what has already been done, notice that FOP wants to start negotiating.
I am retired, not in any way connected to FOP. please stop this ...
The worst enemy of black people are black people when it comes to crime, so why all the bullshit hate towards whites on cnn and everyother channel i tune into to? Black panthers and other groups threatening to riot and burn cities because some dude in a hood was creeping around houses maybe looking to steal something, gets confronted by the neighborhood watch guy. the neighborhood watch guy gets his ass kicked and is attacked and ultimately has to shoot the offender in self defense and because the dude is black, the entire nation has their panties in a bunch.
3/28/2012 03:30:00 PM
Agreed and Amen!
money for day time dollies and house cats gone.
3/28/2012 10:14:00 AM
Long, long overdue!
Does anybody really believe Mikey Shields did this on accident? You saw his endorsements, his loyalty is not with its members. He's gunning for a state job and he's selling patrolmen out to get there. This was no accident. He's going to put up a good act blaming the City but don't drink the kool-aid!
3/28/2012 09:34:00 AM
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Perhaps the Sheilds team was smart enough to realize they should not do anything and just let the contract stand?
What is the harm in waiting several years until the economy gets better?
TD 9.5 cannot take away anything if we just sit on our hands! Think about it.
Rahm trying to divide policeman just like he did with our teachers union. Don't fall for this.
Old Timer said
SEE elect a kid with half a year knowledge of the job, and what do you get. If you guy's keep picking on me I'll hold my breath. Mickey you need a big TIME OUT for this fuck-up. If you didn't fuck-up come on here and explain your actions.
01 mar was the deadline. How hard is it to make sure the paper work was in. All the other unions had it in a.d there is no issue. What a joke shields is making of the c p d.
Relax, take a pill all. No mistake, no problem. The language in the contract is not nearly as clear as it should be.
Muh ado about nothing. Everything is proceeding as it should in regards to the next contract.
Need I tell anyone, do not take Fran Spielman too seriously? OK, come in off the ledge now, take the rope off your neck, unload the M-4, put the bottle of sleeping pills away. You will get a decision from an arbitrator in about 3 years.
"ether party".. did the city give notice by March 1st? If so, contract open. If not, wonder why...
Mikey!! If ur gonna jerk us off??? Use a moist towel next time!!! This blows!
I guess this means that Mike & Co. did not have much faith in their negotiating team.
I mean, if the goal was to simply hold the line and preserve what we have, then fine. But couldn't their negotiating team do that?
But this? This is just giving up all negotiating control to Rahm.
Good work, guys.
/sarcasm
Don't worry his buddy Finkle will take care of him.
Slick Micky was to busy cutting deals for his political future than paying attention to the job he was elected to do.This asshole is a dysfunctional meglamaniac who seriously needs professional help.How did the rank and file not see this?????
I understand both points of view: 1) Do not attempt to renegotiate a contract in the midst of a recession/depression, rather just wait until the economy rebounds and then negotiate and 2) The FOP is in bed with the city and has screwed us. Instead of all of the name calling and mud slinging will someone from the FOP please comment and inform us of your strategy? Do it here or put it in the newsletter. Someone please step up and stop keeping thousands of blueshirts in the dark.
The president is not the only one to blame, each and very officer at the FOP is to blame. At least 50% of the old regime staid on. They knew or should have known. All should have known. It is not about whether it benefits us or not, if it does it is by sheer accident. This is not how a union that charges its thousands of members over 45$ a month every month for.
I voted for Shields along with many others because we were sick of business as usual. This is unacceptable.
All members of FOP should be voted out. ALL!
We should NOT pay for mutiple Vice Presidents and bullshit committees.
We need to lower the salaries of those officers because the high pay has not helped to prevent corruption. It is exorbitant. In my opinion they have never earned it.
Lastly we need to put a cap on our dues. It is to the point that they greatly cut into our salary. The FOP should not get larger raises and spending accts each contract than the rank and file.
The FOP messed up. Period. Filing some other paper is fine and dandy but if you don't know the legalese of THIS freakin contract so that you can follow IT'S guidelines then you are in denial!
This is what the city is looking for . Dont play into this bullshit. Knowledge is power. Read your contract. The sun times prints half the story. Why does anyone even read their bullshit. Stay safe everyone.
And from what I'm reading...the Sgt's union, Lt's and Captains all sent their letter regarding intent to terminate the contract/renegotiate at the end of this contract.
If FOP really wanted to stick it to Rahm and drag this out - why wouldn't we just present a unified front with the other unions and have NO ONE send the letter?
Oh. That's right. Because our union president can't be bothered to read the contract.
Resign Mike
There you go, you have abdicated personal responsibility and your own direct relationship with your employer and now you're shocked, shocked I tell you, to find out that they didn't assume they same level of care as if you were in charge of your own future. Yet you pay these parasites buttloads of cash to look out for you all the while they're living high on the hog and double-dipping to get their butts into a golden parachute. Unions, the Soviet UNION (that should be a clue to you monkeys) and the City of Chicago all work the same way. Dopes.
This is why I will never join a union. I'm an independent contractor andi work based on my skill directly with my employer. This is why I am a True American Individual and the rest of you are stooges.
Shields & Obama... both need to step down!
The teachers Union is doing a better job for there membership then Shields
Did I mention that unions funnel your money to the Democrat Party as well? Sorry if I forgot that, but it's true. Enjoy the local POTUS community organizer YOU paid for.
And your mayor.
And Bobby (The Clown) Rush D-ILL/Panther.
money for day time dollies and house cats gone.
3/28/2012 10:14:00 AM
Long, long overdue!
3/28/2012 04:20:00 PM
Yeah hate on days but remember the city has changed our hours for a special event coming to a city near you. With your logic and the logic of the mayor, day officers don't have to change their hours as afternoon or midnights? BS. So what do we say, sorry I can't work that NATO thing, my hours are fixed in stone? I don't get paid to be available for duty outside of those hours? You guys are crazy. Day officers are bound by the same changes any other watch is. Keep wishing to screw us and everyone's duty availability will be gone. You guys never learn.
Yeah, you're a true American hero, Independent Spirit, you don't belong to any union, just take the benefits that union members won for you.I know, I'm an old troll, but I remember when there were no contracts for either fire or police in Chicago-it wasn't really that long ago. Do any of you know how you read? Do you realize the difference between terminate and renegotiate the existing? You really want to start talking from nothing?contact
And the well thought out plan is working!!! We (fop) do NOT want to settle the contract now, or soon because we know that we are going to get fucked no matter what.....so what can we do??? Extend it. So now although we aren't GAINING anything (we never would anyway) we aren't LOSING anything. We get to enjoy our uniforrm, duty availability, medical, ect. Hopefully our Prez can extend it for a few more years!!!! Great strategic move!
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Dude your an idiot if you think Shields planned this.
Shields can't have been the only one to know this. The whole thing sounds fishy. Chicago fishy.
This was a non-issue the first time it was posted on SCC.
Apparently Fran reposted it to get in good graces with City Hall, her boss. And you saps all fell for it.
The Opt-Out clause was in the at least the 2 prior contracts. And don't just read that one clause. Read the WHOLE section. If fact, do yourself and everyone else a favor and read the whole dang thing.
What it means is that at a certain time, either party can void the contract. Back to the days no contract. No seniority rights, no bids, no grievance procedures. Could Rahm, absent a contract, reduce pay by 30%?? With no contract, what would there be to stop them? Neither side wants that. And nobody with 2 working brain cells wants it either.
As it stands now, the existing contract remains in full force and effect until a new agreement is reached. Pay, seniority rights, step raises, etc. In the meantime there will not be any pay raises. But neither will there be any reduction in benefits. If the FOP were to opt-out, everything in that book would be gone.
This issue is nothing. A lot of coppers and others are getting worked up, bashing FOP and its leadership. You are playing right into Rahm's hands!! He will see that the membership does not have Shield's back, so he can do what he wants.
People bitch about the FOP leadership. Well, what do you expect?? Most coppers have no effort infested in their bargaining unit. When there are election, only about 35% vote. And most of them are retirees.
And for those of you that bemoan FOP's low effectiveness:
What percentage attend union meetings on a regular basis?? Maybe 200. Out of 15,000+. How many units/watches have no unit rep? How many people don't even know who their rep is? Only about 400 are eligible to even run for FOP office. Can't make 5 out 10 meetings in a year????...and then you want to RUN the whole show??? ROFLMAO!!!!
Maybe in 4 years when the economy gets better..... LOLOLOLOL!
16 trillion in debt and counting (remember when a trillion was thought of as an imaginary number)
+8% unemployment and that is the manufactured / manipulated number. Actual number is between 14 and 16%.
Housing market with no recovery in sight for at least next 10 years.
Yeah, that makes sense... we will get a big raise in a few years from now. And we call the citizens sheeple!!!
This is why I will never join a union. I'm an independent contractor andi work based on my skill directly with my employer. This is why I am a True American Individual and the rest of you are stooges.
3/28/2012 08:40:00 PM
no, this is why you'll be replaced, by your employer, the instant your employer finds someone who'll do just as acceptable a job as you do, for less compensation.
if you think it won't happen, just wait for it.
you are replaceable.
OK, come in off the ledge now, take the rope off your neck, unload the M-4, put the bottle of sleeping pills away. You will get a decision from an arbitrator in about 3 years.
3/28/2012 06:09:00 PM
and for those who just can't wait, there's always an option i can offer, for an affordable fee.....
Chalkie
A little history lesson is needed. You may be a bit young to remember a twenty three day strike by firefighters that resulted in the first contract. There were no contracts and no benefits prior to the firefighters bitter fight. Other than the last contract, Local 2 has always been out front in contract negotiations. Rather than create anamosity why not lift together for the good of all.
3/28/2012 07:39:00 AM
I do remember that strike 14 Feb 80. It was a Valentine Gift to Jane Byrne. But you are a little misinformed. The FOP got us the 1st Contract in 1981. After that contract the firefighters got theirs. The FOP has always led the firefighters in being the leaders in contract negotiations. Local 2 has a "Me Too" written into their contract because they cannot stand on their own. The jobs are different & have different needs. Local 2 followed FOP & got time & a half for their members, when they got stuck at a late fire when their relief would take the CTA to a fire instead of one of their cars. Before the time & a half they would drive their own car to a fire & relieve the others who would inturn drive the new on duty firefighters cars back to the house.
If you are going to recite history you should know the story.
He wont stick it in our ear. He has another warm fuzzy hole in mind to stick it.
3/28/2012 04:00:00 PM
kinky.
And people think I am nuts because I max out deferred comp and have 3 side jobs!!
3/28/2012 03:47:00 PM
that's not why they think you're nuts.
By the way.... WE DO NOT HAVE A UNION!!!!!!!! We have no recourse against our employer other than going to an arbitrator. Weeeeeeeee!!!
If only we followed every Law and General Order to the letter. Within 3 months or less this city would come to a f***ing halt. The reverends and politicians alike would be begging for us to go back to being the police. We could get just about whatever we wanted come contract time!
But of course I am dreaming. We can't get the goofs on this job to stop writing parkers or movers let alone play by the rules that have been set against us.
Imagine it though, "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause" followed to the letter. Arresting people based only on what was actually observed and writing paper the way it actually happened to the letter. Explaining to a witness their actual rights and obligations in felony cases. Telling them the truth about how much time they will be spending at the Area on a homicide.
Unfortunally, most coppers go above and beyond to put animals where they belong. It's just in our blood but it is also our Achilles heel. We do this outside the letter of the ridiculous laws and general orders that the powers that be have created. It's time to stop! Start playing by the rules that they have set for us. Let it crash and burn!!! Then, when reality sets in, then the tiny dancer and McRockhead can gives a call. Maybe we will be willing to work something out.
Whew... sorry for the rant. I just woke up from my dream. Oh well, let me know when this nightmare / reality has ended!
Despite the huge oversight by the FOP, I think this is a fantastic chance for all of us to finally stick together and do absolutely nothing. If we all teamed up, they wouldnt have choice but to listen.
Seriously? Who really thinks we're going to get a worthwhile raise? This administration is going to take much more from us with new negotiations than before, and given this economy they will win. Keep the current contract and tell the city to shove that over taxed retro check up their ass. Stick together and do nothing.
I been saying for years to replace the FOP's legal team, they obviously suck. There's a need for effective representation and assuring that deadlines will not be missed. We don't need one or 2 lawyers, we need a team that will focus on police officers rights, coming to roll calls to show us support and also to answer questions that we might have.
This is why I will never join a union. I'm an independent contractor andi work based on my skill directly with my employer. This is why I am a True American Individual and the rest of you are stooges.
3/28/2012 08:40:00 PM
Who is your employer? You don't work for this city, if you do you're a dope or connected! We need unions- we don't need idiots in charge of them. As for american individual, get back to work! Why are you on a computer, you do enjoy working 18 hour days right? That is until you can't anymore and your employer will hire someone else. Keep stuffing cash under your matress!
To the chimp who said, ..."you are replaceable." Everyone is. You think being in a union makes you immune?
As I've been working straight for 29 years, I've got a pretty good record. I've been out of a job before and got back in. If I'm out again, I'll work for myself as an independent contractor.
Point is, you have to watch out for your best interests. If you think the union masters who are cashing your checks have your best interests in mind, I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee.
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