015 Trials and Tribulations
Here's what happens when manpower shortages meet off-duty life and it's run into the ground by incompetent, over-promoted, "merit" hacks like First Amendment violator Barb West:
- So, I looked for something regarding this matter and didn’t find anything. I will say this, in 015. we had heard rumors that time due was going to start being denied based on man power. We were never told exactly what that meant and were also told we weren’t going to know until three days before we expected to get the day off.
Well, I never had a second thought about, because like everything else on this job, until it ACTUALLY happens, it doesn’t really mean much. Well, now it has happened. In 015 Commander BW and Capt S decided to deny time due for Saturday April 20th . There were 8 people requesting the day off and 4 needed to be denied. The WC was instructed to go by seniority. Well, that left 2 of the 4 not being able to go to their own partners wedding and another not able to go to his daughters birthday party. It was overheard when I cop had asked her about time he requested off because he was going to be out of town, her reply was, “We’ll see. It’s time you officers start taking a more personal interest in the District”. Are you kidding me? You want me to be more concerned about the community then you do with our own partners or our own daughters???? MAYBE, if you gave me OT for attending all these prayer vigils and crap when off duty, more officers would attend. Not that it would matter because we would be denied our time off.
Commander BW, is so scared of losing her job as Commander that she works probably 18 hours a day EVERY day and micro manages more than any other Dist CO I have ever worked for. When Commander WG left, he told Commander BW, this (015) is a great place to work with some of the best and hardest working officers in the city, don’t scew it up… well…. Guess what she came and did???? She is a mindless pawn who knows nothing about policing the STREETS, and obviously knows nothing about actually LEADERSHIP. Someone should tell them when they give CO’s their Star, leadership is earned from your troops, not given to you with this star.
I just wonder how the powers that be, have come to the conclusion that denying time, keeping officer away from their families and canceling their plans will make this city safer. There’s nothing like have disgruntled, unhappy cops on the street. In 015 there are more Tact Teams and Mission teams then any other Dist in the city. There are also less officers in 015 then most districts in the city. So when you do the math, there are far fewer cops that are able to take time, since they are all on tact or a mission team.
I know almost all of us hated JFed, BUT, he managed to keep down crime (by manipulating the numbers, but regardless) without denying cops their time. At least he was able to figure out, a happy cop is a working cop. Funny thing is, he wasn’t even the police!!! Oh wait, and he was also able to do it before they closed districts, and disbanded units in an effort to put “more cops on the streets”.
I am not sure how we can even try and show them this isn’t the way to handle the manpower issue. Maybe since OUR time due means nothing, we ALL need to start checking the money box. Maybe what city hall sees the Comp Time money go through the roof, they will inform the Supt, he is an idiot!!!
We're hearing more and more of this citywide. The FOP had a note posted a few weeks ago about calling them immediately in the event of Time Due being denied for any reason, especially if it was denied with under 72 hours notice. In these cases, you may be eligible for extra pay based on the Contract violation. However, that isn't going to help in the event of missing a wedding, birthday or other scheduled event.
This needs to be addressed, especially in light of upcoming summer events like graduations, vacations, reunions and everything else that summer entails.
This needs to be addressed, especially in light of upcoming summer events like graduations, vacations, reunions and everything else that summer entails.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
116 Comments:
Well look at the checkoff sheets at the end of each tour. Hopefully they look the same as they did at the beginning. If not thats on you to correct it.
My son is graduating from college I paid over $200,000 to have him attend and we were told in our area that the 1st deputy has to approve time due during the nato bullshit fiasco,deny me this time a big FUCK YOU, care about this job again FUCK YOU, want to see morale go down even faster! BTW I requested a p-day in JANUARY for this event, did a to-from but waiting for the 1st deputy to approve! WTF!
sorry officer and youre not going to like this. BUT elective time off is granted based on man power at the discretion of management
Im not saying I like it But thats how it is.
Maybe someone should switch days off with someone who is RDO those days
Boo boo. Come on over too 008.. The cmdrs new policy is that only one officer off per day per watch. Personals BFD time all getting denied. Fop contacted and said it is no longer a valid grievance because you can switch your days off with another willing officer on the watch. The new commander of 008 has managed to piss everyone off with his micromanaging. And the one person rule is not just weekends.. That applies to everyday. You have to beg and pray just to get a Tuesday off.. And forget about weekend off.. Some weekends already everyone has been denied. This guy has lost the district.. Nobody will work for him
J-Fled also let the 10 hour day and 6 and 3 schedule happen in units and districts, whre coppers got more weekends off and time with family and friends. Why dont we at least get a schedule going where this can happen again? This way denying us wont hurt as much. HELLO UNION!!!
I thought cu was first come first receive off basis, and pdays were by seniority... If those officers that got denied used cu, can't they file a grievance?
How can we be short officers on the street since rahm stated that he personally put over 1000 more on the street
I was told that they cannot deny you taking a day off without pay (par form). I know it is not what you want but it may be worth a shot.
Do we have a new Burger Queen to crown? What a sham this department has become.
Disagree that the fed had anything to do with people being able to take time off two or three years ago. We had many hundreds more police two or three years ago.
Denying time off is just a way to try to convince the public that they still have the same quantity/quality of policing now as they used to have. While the quality might still be there, the quantity and response time sure as hell isn't.
It begins with things like a uniform. If you can control the small things, the day to day things, soon you can control the minds. That's how a cult works. Forget your friends, families and the people on the outside. Your sole belongs to the cult.
We were told in 022 that all time will be denied if all the cars are not up. The problem is we don't have enough manpower to man all the cars with nobody off. Which means no elective time off. We were told to if we want off we will have to swap.
Once again... what is the UNION doing about this.... political hack shields seems to be more worried about his political future then us, and does not want to bump heads with the mayor or gmac...?
how can they sight manpower need for not giving only 8 people off, when the mayor and gary say we have enough police???? how can they sight manpower when they refuse to hire more officers? and how can the refuse to give you the day off a month before nato, when everyone in the city is going to have their days off cancelled and be working 12+ hours a day....
It's time for us to band together. The majority of us are good employees and do not deserve to be denied time due in violation of the contract.
We need to start hitting the medical 3 days at a time for everytime we are denied.
We need to have the blue flu and stop producing revenue for the city.
They cannot stop us.
Ok, am I wrong, or didn't FOP win some suit that said we can't be denied time due when requested in a reasonable amount of time, and if manpower needs are low, the Dept. has to hire back and time and a half? Seriously, does someone have the correct info on this? Didn't we win some suit also that said the TMA's jobs were supposed to go to police officers? I thought the city appealed this and lost that too. A perfect example of why the TMA 's should not be out there was the barely understandable female TMA screaming like a moron at cars and pedestrians at the UC for game 3 of the PHO / Hawks series. Only the best and brightest in that fine dept.
She needs to be in the district 18 hours a day because she has no idea how a district runs. She hasn't been in one since she slept her way through 012 as a midnight P.O.
This is not just an 015 problem.
The Superintendent has demanded from all commanders that there will be "Maximum coverage" in all the districts on all watches.
As it was explained at our staff meeting in my district; the more people who are off IOD and medical, the more will be denied time due.
When there is a shooting or an "up-tick" in crime in a district, the Compstat a-holes will be looking at the worksheets to see how many were given time off.
If you boys and girls are denied time off for a wedding or child's graduation, you better speak to some of the senior officer's on how to handle it. I'm sure you will always get a "witness".
If I remember correctly there was a judicial order about give time due a few years back after a copper sued the dept for it.......does an f.o.p rep remember this.......
Welcome to the NYPD...Where from May-Oct. The sat.+ sun roll calls have "NO EXCUSALS" wriiten in red across the top. Meaning the only people who get off are scheduled vacation pics. No lost time(our time due), no sick without seeing a dept. Surgeon, no e-day (family or other emergency). That's with a force of 23,000 PO's. But the sat+sun RDO house mouses never get hit with OT.
I thought CPD had more then enough officers and didn't need anymore??? Again a perfect example to call Rahm on his BS he's feeding the public!!!!
A more personal interest in the district?
Here's a message to district commanders everywhere: Shove the district up your ass!
I take a personal interest in my family. I certainly don't and never will take a personal interest in 015 or any other district except the one that I live in.
She has turned out to be a horrible DC. Instinct tells me she she is merit all the way although I don't know this for sure. 100 bucks says the average 5 yr cop in 15 has made more pinches than her. Truth be told is this Barb I Really could give a fuck about the community. My oath is to the city and the state not to some block club on ferdinand street. And let's face it, if you really gave a shit about the "community" you wouldn't have spent all those years inside
Barbara West isn't qualified to be a meter maid. She doesn't know probable cause if it bit her on the ass. She has no leadership skills. This is who the department makes meritorious. What a friggin joke. If I where in 15, I would not do a thing. This department knows how to motivate employees. Let the numbers keep dropping.
In the 010 district only 8 officers are allowed to take time on the 3rd watch, 10 on midnites, and 6 on days on the weekends. Everyone that had a S/S dog will be changed to the 4/2 beginning the sixth period. They are also starting a box in the tenth district which will be have to be covered 24/7. And the commander herself said that you are allowed to leave your post if an officer is asking for help but only if that officer is 1 or 2 blocks away. So if an officer has a 10-1 farther than that you are to remain in your box. We are so short handed that creating this stupid boxes just creates safety issues because now there is going to be one less officer that could help. Now if more boxes are created than more officers down, this is such a stupid idea. Pena another merit hack, that all she wants is the numbers, so little by little the tenth district is going down the tubes just like fifteen...
Is it any surprise that the "leadership" of this city could give a fuck less about you and your personal needs. It all starts at the top. The Racoon is only looking out for the Racoon. He must build up a large base of corrupt contributors for his run for the next position he wants. He sees working stiffs as "tools". Just look at his Racoon Eyes, with his arms folded and his hand (9.5) on his chin. He just stares and sneers at everyone in view. He detest you. He thinks you are all stupid and will never be as smart and clever as he is. Be sure his day is coming. This entire town is going to go up in flames because of this moron. Can the Perfect Storm be far away?
That was like the last 1-2 years under CW in good old 021 on 1st watch. Same shit. Telling you we'll see and then calling you in the day before and handing you your slip back. Now I guess it's starting to happen all over the place. I can tell you from experience that it really sucks putting in for time off and then having to wonder up until the day you're supposed to be off whether or not you're going to get that call to come in and see the W/C. All I know is that productivity under her dropped to almost nothing. Another morale booster on the CPD!
I hate to say this, if your partners wedding day is that important, you should have put in a P Day, 10 days in advance.
Just common sense.
Police already work most weekends and holiday's. Now when they really need a day or weekend off some Walmart manager (we have no leaders) tells them too bad. This makes for very bitter officers which equals bad interactions with citizens and zero production. Thought there was no manpower issues ? 20 and out. At least in the private sector you can work day's with weekends off and be normal.
Time due denied? Cough, cough, I'm feeling little under the weather today.
Medical!
Isn't there some type of limit to how many of Dana Stark's girlfriends can be meritoriously promoted...from secretary to commander...how inspiring!
A real eye-opener--read the minutes of the last con-stat meeting. McFluffyPuppy harps on and on about comp time on the weekends and wants it to stop. Go to 'bureau sites', then 'office of crime control', then to 'compstat resources' (I think--I'm off, so that's the best of my recollection). Then read the minutes and you will see that McDumbass doesn't want anyone to be off on the weekends--um, maybe if we actually had enough manpower, this wouldn't be an issue?
Put a personal day in for the important stuff. Done more than 10 days in advance it cannot be denied. Use comp time for the bullshit "hangover" days.
This department everyday alienates its employees more and more. They better be very carefu with these tactics , because the average copper in a beat car really has nothing to lose. What I mean by that is he/she is not in a unit and probably has a bid spot on a watch. I predict if this keeps up the patrol division (back bone of the department ) will eventually shut down . Why would anyone go the extra mile for a boss that won't allow you a day off that you earned with comp. time that this bullshit department offers as an alternative to money. Have a great summer Commanders. I'm sure that you're index won't rise too much with your constant alienation of your officers.
Oh yeah, the "sole cult"...gotta watch those crazy foot fetishists..those feather tickles are brutal
CPS honor student, no doubt
Same thing in the new 019. 3rd watch WC denies time off citing manpower issues. Thing is he now has close to 400 officers in district and almost all of the people are forced to work 10-4 because of all the officers. How can you cite manpower issues when there are so many people working you are forced to work with "lunchmeat"?
Firstly, why are coppers going to these vigils off duty and not putting in slips?!!!!
Second, J-Fled is a piece of shit. PERIOD!! Do NOT try and make it seem like he's not just because we got a new supe' and we have all these ridiculous changes that make no sense.
In fact, all these changes are probably (most likely!) not even coming from Asshole McDrunk. They're coming from the Flaming Tutu.
in 701 only 3 people per shift get time off...first come first serve..per new xo.
Ok, am I wrong, or didn't FOP win some suit that said we can't be denied time due when requested in a reasonable amount of time, and if manpower needs are low, the Dept. has to hire back and time and a half?
The FOP won the suit and you still can't get off. Lodge lawyer Paul Gheger won $500,000 in attorney fees...so at least he won something. Working cops get it in the ass again.
If you are denied time off, you go on the medical and take three days off, send a message loud and clear. Commanders are graded on tickets, movers, contacts, and PEOPLE ON MEDICAL. They will get message very quickly, because they are such pussys about there position.
The dept. is run like a circus full of clowns..
But yet some chumps afraid of being bumped from an early to a rapid car or vice-versa will STILL go out and bring in a head or two a day and impound cars daily. What a bunch of pu**ies on this job nowadays. I hope all you circus seals are the first to have a day off denied where you have to miss a kids birthday or some other important event, maybe THAT will finally wake your stupid asses up. The hairgel/too much college/entitlement generation is also the sissy pushover generation from all indications. "Grown" men and ladies afraid of their own shadows. When they are told to drop grievances for being denied a day off when they are clearly in compliance/seniority they come up with every excuse in the book to NOT do it. And these are the same handjobs saying they deserve a merit promo to sgt. Hahahaha.
Take this job off life support and let it die already - it's been in grave condition due to chronic overdoses of hairgel.
The lawsuit from a few years ago only applied to FLSA accrued overtime. If any of the time that you have on the books is FLSA, it must be granted. However, almost no one has this anymore since the intorduction of the cycles vs periods for payroll. Also, it you did have any FLSA time it was used first when you requested cu. Now if you happen to accrue any it is automatically given to you in pay and not in time; part of the that lawsuit. There are just a few people left with any FLSA tiem on the books. Plan accordingly and put those personal days in 10 days in advance. And if your request for time due is denied, the residual effects may come to pass on about May 20th or so. RIGHT!
12: 18 am. The current scedule was voted on by the rank and file. The 10 hr schedule was the best, but the old timers and officers with "second jobs" feared that schedule would interfere with the "extra income" or make their day to long. Thus playing right into the cities hands. The FOP sanctioned this current 4-2 schedule and touted how they finally listened to its membership and got the schedule changed. Changed to the worst schedule offered. Those of you who didnt see this time due denial coming, were either retiring or believed the bill of goods the city and FOP sanctioned. Three day weekends gone. The 10 hr schedule has 3 and 4 day weekends. Now trying to add a day to the current schedule, virtually impossible. Same "not enough" officers on the watch, bullshit. The fact that we and they know of our disappearing manpower gives these assholes, that run this department, the mandate to mess with the ranks. Its going to be a long summer. Please be safe and stick together.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but, I miss j-fled! Granted he was a pussy, but, he stayed away for the most part. I never saw him in the district during his entire tenure. Mcfuckface has been there twice! Who would have thought...
B.s. as usual. If you are denied time hit the medical for that day.....you have 24 hours to report to report to the medical section. I don't get why coolers are still playing by the brass's rules and getting themselves upset and worked up....its not healthy....its what they want....plus I think we ALL should not do a proactive thing for a week.....why aren't we getting it yet, they aren't playing fair or respecting or contract or safety...... We have the opportunity to ruin rahm and Mccarthy politically. The fop needs to speak up to get media attention, we need cps and cfd and s&s. Then cops need to start using the medical/iod (to get our days off we requested and got denied) stop being pro active for a week, then March.... All before NATO!!!!!
Life Liberty and the pursuit of happyness!
Trump that with a bullshit contract?
Ask an American native if the government EVER honored their word? NEVER!
I GOT 1800 AND CHANGE PLUS P/H an v days with a year to go and Doctors who need patients?
Live a life under ideal conditions you lose 15% all you and your family has is time.
Don't be scared. I win you win then we all win and the taxpayers get told why we fight.
Well you geniuses in 015 have no to blame but yourself. Stop your fucking whining and crying. Keep working hard. Keep your numbers up and you won't have to worry about anything.
cpd is planning on ending time due , paying officers for all overtime , when swiping starts officers will be required to work a complete tour or be docked
don't swipe and you will be spared,suspended after 3 times of not swiping
cpd will have plenty of money once the crack down on overtime starts
this means no m,ore lunch with 2 hours time due on the end and the sergeant holds your slip ,it will be 2 hours no pay
Make sure you file a grievence. It is a violation of the contract. I know you will not get your day back that you missed, but you will get paid.
Indite and sue the Past Sesecretary \ treasurer 's
See how fast the records show up!
REMEMBER BOTH THE COMPANY AND THE UNION REPS EQUALLY! The hole card is that sold out arbitrator King B and the IRA FILES IF HE DIES IN COURT!
If the company is padding the books and people die ill violate my under duress confidential agreement. Ask my Doctor judge how much time I have left and my executors about my selfsustaining litigation. ha ha ha cough die!
Family rich and happy; bastards poor suicidal and starving parasites = History!
THEY DONT CARE ABOUT YOU AND YOU SIR AND MAAM, ARE EXPENDABLE! The phrase "it's all about family" and "our main goal is for you to go home safe at night" is all a lie.
Remember to document it if denied. The dept.s big push right now is to utilize the officer swap program, I work for u this day and u work for me that day. What happens if no officer wants to swap the day with you? I understand that cu is at the descretion of the dept but common sense should prevail. If that doesn't work hit the medical.
Most of you are acting like children. Plan ahead. It's a job. I hate this city and Rahm as much as the next guy, BUT we still have a job to do and each others back to protect. Giving every one the day off puts the on duty officers in harms way. Yes I know the city needs to hire more but they aint gonna, periodStop whinnig, stop the capital letters telling the mayor to fuck off tuff guys, and do your job, or quite.
What is FOP doing? Cmon, this is outta control already
Let me guess, you guys are still out there busting your asses, getting heads, CR's,etc.
Why bother anymore
Here's what I don't understand. Why are people still working? Stop the movers, parkers, ANOV's, contact cards and curfews. Things are shitty anyway, not much else they can do. We need to show them how they need to treat us.
My son is graduating from college I paid over $200,000 to have him attend and we were told in our area that the 1st deputy has to approve time due during the nato bullshit fiasco,deny me this time a big FUCK YOU, care about this job again FUCK YOU, want to see morale go down even faster! BTW I requested a p-day in JANUARY for this event, did a to-from but waiting for the 1st deputy to approve! WTF!
4/20/2012 12:07:00 AM
Why don't you do a tour of duty swap with someone?
Rahamacide Chicago - Acceptable murder rate exceeding 600. Denying time due is not going to change that. The fireman are not even safe at the firehouse. I approve this rate because my ego is too big to admit that more cops are necessary. Signed Rahm. (The people of Chicago are dumb fuckers... oops Rahm didn't realize his microphone was still on)
sounds like we found the next henny penny/burger queen. as an 11th district copper i feel for you guys having worked for that idiot penny. good luck boys
Problem is that we're not sticking together on this. There are still officers who come in with contact cards and a book of Parker's at check off. Seriously? They don't want to loose their car or be bounced around. Give me a break. My check off's consist of a waive and a "good night sarge".
Incompetence personified (Ms. West because we refuse to call her commander) ...could we get a chart on her career path. Deer in headlights look on scenes, but the community church groups believe and I quote "she's finally gonna clean dees streets up!" Austin was always a fast district where you could work for good bosses. Scratch it from the list....
Go AWOP if they deny you, all you will get is another day off (without pay) but the Department is the one with the manpower issues it will hurt them more than it will hurt you...
A Sergeant said...
This is not just an 015 problem.
The Superintendent has demanded from all commanders that there will be "Maximum coverage" in all the districts on all watches.
As it was explained at our staff meeting in my district; the more people who are off IOD and medical, the more will be denied time due.
When there is a shooting or an "up-tick" in crime in a district, the Compstat a-holes will be looking at the worksheets to see how many were given time off.
If you boys and girls are denied time off for a wedding or child's graduation, you better speak to some of the senior officer's on how to handle it. I'm sure you will always get a "witness".
4/20/2012 03:19:00 AM
duh..if something is happening across town at numerous districts, it's coming from the top. Why people dont get this, I dont know. I learned it in the Army. Problem is you have some leaders that mean well but they dont know how to get creative with the junk they get passed down from their bosses. The best leaders mentor and say this is how you can get around this issue that I have little control over. You will always have bum bosses like you have bums in every other human endeavor. Ive been around WG and BW and like her or not, from my observation she is much better than WG in effort at least. But if youve seen more than I have, how can I argue? I wont. I just havent seen what you have.
If you have a good cry, you will feel better.
Shit's gonna get ugly in 015 really quick. I feel the blue flu coming on.....
Forget your friends, families and the people on the outside. Your sole belongs to the cult.
4/20/2012 01:07:00 AM
My soul belongs to my shoe.
Thought slavery was abolished!
Anonymous said...
I thought cu was first come first receive off basis, and pdays were by seniority... If those officers that got denied used cu, can't they file a grievance?
4/20/2012 12:21:00 AM
Read your contract Hair Gel....
The so called leaders on this job continue to attact morale, but at the same time expect coppers to be all energized to bust their asses. 35th continues to put dummies in charge and when they hear about stuff like this they don't care. So please stop blowing smoke up our asses and telling us we are the "backbone" of the CPD and we care BS. Because the reality is, you are lying to us and we have known about it for years. Another bad boss now come to 015. Expect the murders to go up there.
that is exactly why fop will lose thew 1 year medical next contract
10 days a year medical
thanks to medical abusers
We was told in 018 no RDO swaps on fri-sat-sun -- XO says "sorry, that's from 35th." I'm afraid to grieve this with the union because I might lose my spot on the Entertainment Detail. Any advice?
that is exactly why fop will lose thew 1 year medical next contract
10 days a year medical
thanks to medical abusers
4/20/2012 03:36:00 PM
Good because I haven't used 10 days of medical in 12 years on the job. This will give me an extra 10 days off per year since they're denying all of our time due.
Same shit, different bosses. I remember current Sgt MS of 011 having to come in to work in 025 as a PPO AFTER a wedding service he was a groomsman in Thanks to Lt. Willy The Whale. Mike walked into the District in a f-ing Tuxedo and proceeded to work his 3rd Watch shift. The old timers went crazy at how shitty that was to do to a PPO, or anyone else. I'm guessing this was in 1995. And there are varying opinions of Mike, as with anyone else on this job, but no one can deny he was a hard charger from day one and deserved better.
TF
When is little mikey shields gonna hold Rahms "feet to the fire" as he ignorantly said last year. What a joke!!!
"Good because I haven't used 10 days of medical in 12 years on the job. This will give me an extra 10 days off per year since they're denying all of our time due.
4/20/2012 04:48:00 PM"
how about a buddy, who hasn't used more than three days in over 30 years....what happens when they deny time off?......where the hell is the FOP (other than the duty exchange program?)....
We was told in 018 no RDO swaps on fri-sat-sun -- XO says "sorry, that's from 35th." I'm afraid to grieve this with the union because I might lose my spot on the Entertainment Detail. Any advice?
4/20/2012 04:22:00 PM
Ya, go fuck yourself
New C.O. in 008 should go back to 016, you guys can have him. We had a true leader in Kup. He can save his 3rd watch roll call "rah-rah" speeches for people who give a fuck, 'cause no one cares. Buck for your next promotion/$30,000 pay hike at someone else's expense. P.S. Commander, I bet you won't miss any family gatherings this summer!
Wonder if Barb still has the key to the Postal Service trailer lot off 15th & Damen where she used to lock herself in so nobody would bother her while she slept?
If memory serves, the zone hardly ever bothered her so you know she was "somebody's somebody" even then...
Wasn't she part of Dana Stark's harem?
Feeling real bad for you guys in 015.
cash the check and quit said...
Life Liberty and the pursuit of happyness!
Trump that with a bullshit contract?
Ask an American native if the government EVER honored their word? NEVER!
I GOT 1800 AND CHANGE PLUS P/H an v days with a year to go and Doctors who need patients?
Live a life under ideal conditions you lose 15% all you and your family has is time.
Don't be scared. I win you win then we all win and the taxpayers get told why we fight.
4/20/2012 09:45:00 AM
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Seriously, are you stoned?
When you're straight, could you please translate the above babble?
On second thought, don't bother.
Garrrry swore up and down that the latest round of commanders were all his own picks. This makes Garrrry a treacherous liar and a fool on par with JFED. Barb, Carouthers, Linda Flores all from the first lieutenants class, all merit and apparently all natural born leaders. What a fucking joke!
All this pissin' and moanin' on a blog isn't going to fix anything. File a grevience each and everytime your denied.
You are getting sleepy very sleepy keep your eyes on the magical swinging gem, you are getting sleepy. Lemmings !
You spent $200,000 for his education? That must have been one helluva head start class he was enrolled in.
The Secret Service has just proven we are not the only fuck ups doing law enforcement.
"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" will it ever end.If you cant get the day off go on the medical or I ain't doing nothing or this boss that boss sucks yada yada yada get over it. You knew what the job was when you signed on and it is not family friendly and without it there would be no birthday parties graduations weddings etc its tough being in this profession.The benefit(medical) you are thinking about misusing was fought for an won by my generation and before now you crybaby's want to give it all away because you can't have your way.
"Good because I haven't used 10 days of medical in 12 years on the job. This will give me an extra 10 days off per year since they're denying all of our time due.
You my friend, should turn in ur uniform for a red cape and boots. I hope you never have something serious, like cancer.
cash the check and quit said...
Life Liberty and the pursuit of happyness!
Trump that with a bullshit contract?
Ask an American native if the government EVER honored their word? NEVER!
I GOT 1800 AND CHANGE PLUS P/H an v days with a year to go and Doctors who need patients?
Live a life under ideal conditions you lose 15% all you and your family has is time.
Don't be scared. I win you win then we all win and the taxpayers get told why we fight.
4/20/2012 09:45:00 AM
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Seriously, are you stoned?
When you're straight, could you please translate the above babble?
4/20/2012 06:42:00 PM
translation:
God blessed the child that's got his own.... that's got his own....
........Don't be scared. I win you win then we all win and the taxpayers get told why we fight.
4/20/2012 09:45:00 AM
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Seriously, are you stoned?
When you're straight, could you please translate the above babble?
4/20/2012 06:42:00 PM
Well, it is 4/20....
8: 21 am your the lunchmeat, you poor excuse of an officer. For months we're complaining of the lack of manpower and your exagerating and complaining your district has to much. Seems like your awfully lucky. You have a full staff of blue brothers and sisters to back you up, in a district, that is in transition and doubled in size. Other districts and its officers should be so lucky. I know..i know, sarge denied you time due so you could hook up with the impressionable coed at the stretch bar, but thats life. You knew what you signed up for when you took your oath. Different administrations, all thinking they, a reinventing the wheel. Its offensive when you complain about positives. Enough manpower, 10-4 units, a boss making sure there are enough troops to serve and protect the citizendry and po's. No doubt getting the district ready for the cub season and the cub/sox games, being played on the same weekend, as nato. Im sure if you aproached the commander he can facilitate your departure to a district of your liking. The ones with plenty of 99 units on the 3rd and 1st watch, where lack of manpower will, G-d forbid, get an officer hurt. So please if your that unhappy, leave. Go to 5, 7, 8, 15, after 6 months you will appreciate where your at
Anonymous said...
In the 010 district only 8 officers are allowed to take time on the 3rd watch, 10 on midnites, and 6 on days on the weekends.
Where do they come up with these freaking random numbers from?
its funny how some of you sit here and try to use "well you knew this was the job" blah blah blah crap. Get over yourself. You're probably the dog ass working in the district where you live and going home for all your family functions, and then get on here and try to act like a tough ass.
Coppers aren't bitching because the job got "tough". Coppers are bitching because once upon a time the working police (not that you would know what that is) in Districts like 015, 025, 011, 007 (sorry for those FEW working Dists I forgot)got perks for answering more calls in one night then YOU answer in a week. Thats what we are bitching about. We are bitching about being proactive and not getting any recognition for it in return.
What I did know about this job before I got here was, I scratch your back you scratch mine... That's not being done and that's what we are bitching about. So maybe get off your high horse.
And to rebut your next comment, yes we could bid to districts where we live, or make phone calls, or whatever so that we could be a lazy dog ass like you and go to our kids ball games and shit, but guess what, some of us, like being the POLICE and not a glorified crossing guard. Some of us like the hustle and bustle. But for doing so, all we ask in return is the brotherhood we also heard so much about before we got on the job.
They'll stick to this manpower thing until NATO/G8 is over, then they'll let up on it.
Everyone will be thinking we got a big break, and that'll be the end of it.
"As it was explained at our staff meeting in my district; the more people who are off IOD and medical, the more will be denied time due."
Ahhh...divide and conquer.
"This department everyday alienates its employees more and more. They better be very carefu with these tactics , because the average copper in a beat car really has nothing to lose."
Don't be surprised when a man with nothing to lose begins acting like a man with nothing to lose.
"where the hell is the FOP"
1412 W Washington Blvd Chicago, IL 60607-1821
Monthly meetings. See your FOP Book.
You can always call them at:
312-733-7776
Hell, you're computer-savvy. Contact them here:
http://www.chicagofop.org/contact-us/
What are waiting for? "Someone else" to do it for you?
"The Secret Service has just proven we are not the only fuck ups doing law enforcement."
Don't worry, we'll top this story by the end of the summer.
In the 010 district only 8 officers are allowed to take time on the 3rd watch, 10 on midnites, and 6 on days on the weekends.
Where do they come up with these freaking random numbers from?
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Shit, I wish in 015 there was an actual set number, at least we would know a head of time and could plan accordingly. It just seems like they pick a number out of thin air. And that might not be the case, but it would be nice to keep your troops informed
11:46:00PM
BINGO! You understood everything the company suck holes pretended they didn't in the comments.
We don't need them and after the investigations the company will treat them like the parasitic rat traitors they are.
Divide and conquering can work both ways! Good men will be with US always rats and traitors don't won't and never lasted long. just avoid them and use them to deliver misinformation to the enemy until there are no more enemies.
"And to rebut your next comment, yes we could bid to districts where we live, or make phone calls, or whatever so that we could be a lazy dog ass like you and go to our kids ball games and shit, but guess what, some of us, like being the POLICE and not a glorified crossing guard. Some of us like the hustle and bustle. But for doing so, all we ask in return is the brotherhood we also heard so much about before we got on the job.
4/20/2012 11:35:00 PM"
Wouldn't the Brotherhood extend to Officers in all Districts?
As you stated you chose to work in your ghetto district& you have the unmitigated gall to denigrate the officers that protect your family? Newsflash champ, been there done that, saw the light &, bid out.You want to put the baby mamma drama ahead of your family, thats on you. Keep on making a difference hero,9 1/2 appreciates the effort
"Good because I haven't used 10 days of medical in 12 years on the job. This will give me an extra 10 days off per year since they're denying all of our time due.
You my friend, should turn in ur uniform for a red cape and boots. I hope you never have something serious, like cancer.
4/20/2012 09:05:00 PM
You my friend ought to know sarcasm when it hits you over the head.
what seems to be happening....McLet'sFight thinks there's "too many people off on weekends", so...the word comes down (with no specifics, no numbers, nothing that anyone wants to put their name on in writing); commanders running scared, they say that "only X number of" folks can take time off on a Friday-Sunday; hq does a tally after the weekend, of shootings vs. district % of folks off (RDO, medical, furlo, time due, etc.)....forgetting, it seems: a) on any given day, 1/3 are off (DOG's); furlos and medical always vary; and, what the hell does giving a few folks time off have to do with some mope getting shot?
Realistically, you cannot take a job that works 24/7, 365 and think you will get time off for family events, no matter how important. No job, no other police department that I know of, grants compensatory time off for overtime worked. You work the days you are scheduled or take your vacation days if you can get them. That sad, the department is short of personnel and this is adversely effecting the ability to get additional time off for important events. They really need to hire at least 500 more police officer soon.
what is the union doing???? has anyone even seen shields in the past month??? IMPEACH SHIELDS!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Ok, am I wrong, or didn't FOP win some suit that said we can't be denied time due when requested in a reasonable amount of time, and if manpower needs are low, the Dept. has to hire back and time and a half? Seriously, does someone have the correct info on this? Didn't we win some suit also that said the TMA's jobs were supposed to go to police officers? I thought the city appealed this and lost that too. A perfect example of why the TMA 's should not be out there was the barely understandable female TMA screaming like a moron at cars and pedestrians at the UC for game 3 of the PHO / Hawks series. Only the best and brightest in that fine dept.
4/20/2012 03:03:00 AM
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As I redcall this only applies to FLSA time, which, twithout ging into a lot needless detail, most of you do not have much.
I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't be given time off when it's due, or that anyone should be denied going to a wedding, birthday party, or other such special family event. But just how would you decide if 8 people asked for time off, you could grant 4 the request because of manpower shortages, and all 8 were going to a wedding, birthday party or something like that? All are equally important events?
Seniority? Drawing straws?
I'm not saying it's fair by any stretch of the imagination, but work sucks - no matter what the job is. Sometimes being a professional means missing the family stuff. It hurts, the kids don't understand, but it's the job... That doesn't make it right, but it is what it is...
How many more cops would have to be on the street to solve the manpower issue? Let's just pick 015 because that's what you're talking about in the article. How many officers? What's the average salary? What's the average cost of benefits? Cost of equipment, vehicles? PER Officer, now do the math. What's the total cost?
Now extend the cost across the City. What's the total cost?
What do you think the appetite by the taxpayer will be for footing that bill or a portion of it?
What else has to be given up to make that happen? What are the ramifications of that? What's the appetite by the taxpayer for doing that?
I'm not trying to say more cops aren't needed - they are. I'm not defending the politicians. But there's lots of pieces to the puzzle, and unless those pieces are addressed, things aren't ever going to get better.
The FOP is your mouthpiece. It's up to the FOP to figure out the pieces, not continue to act like they're operating in a vacuum, pitch it as an advantage (and not some transparent bullshit usually spouted by Unions), and get it worked out.
If the FOP won't do it for you - then damn it, start a new Union, kick the FOP out and get shit done. Everyone knows that when CPD officers want to - shit gets done, and done fast. You guys are some of the best in the business. You take on 'bangers, shitheads, crackheads, assholes, and wannabe terrorists all day long. The City of Chicago - those fucks don't hold a candle to ANY of the assholes you deal with day-in-and-day-out. So quit bitching and CHANGE THINGS FOR THE BETTER.
I just wonder how the powers that be, have come to the conclusion that denying time, keeping officer away from their families and canceling their plans will make this city safer.
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yeah, slip put in January for CU in May ( do the math )to go to Springfield for the Police Memorial, and was just informed by the XO..... DENIED !! because "we're anticipating that those groups might be coming early to protest and we're short" ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME????? what kind of crap is this ???!!!!! so I guess EVERY FUCKING PERIOD WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT BECAUSE of furloghs and IOD or medical and because of that, time is denied and they are assuming? ASSUME THIS you jagoffs. when will the fop step in and say/do something. this is BULL SHIT ! Lets not open the beaches because i'm assuming since we had a mild winter it's going to be a HOT SUMMER and we dont want the good citizens to pass out or get heat fucking stroke because we're short and wont have enough EMT's to handle all the help the citizens are gonna need and we can't afford to send all the police down to the lake..... what a fucking joke !!
"The FOP is your mouthpiece. It's up to the FOP to figure out the pieces, not continue to act like they're operating in a vacuum, pitch it as an advantage (and not some transparent bullshit usually spouted by Unions), and get it worked out."
That's correct. Let them know how much this pisses you off. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. You've seen this in action thousands of times, now it's YOUR TURN to squeak. Make this an issue. They cannot ignore all of us. Bitching on SCC WILL NOT GET IT DONE. Get off your ass. Call FOP. Write FOP. Email FOP. Today. Or simply sit there on your ass & whine about it.
"where the hell is the FOP"
1412 W Washington Blvd Chicago, IL 60607-1821
Monthly meetings. See your FOP Book.
You can always call them at:
312-733-7776
Hell, you're computer-savvy. Contact them here:
http://www.chicagofop.org/contact-us/
What are waiting for? "Someone else" to do it for you?
I am having a hard time understanding this issue. There are X number of slots that have to be filled.
If more people ask for time off than can be accommodated at a particular time, someone loses out. Often by seniority. That is how it has worked everywhere I have worked my whole life (40+ years of work now).
How could it be any different for cops? Just asking cause it doesn't make much sense to me.
I had 10+ years seniority before I could get Christmas off, and sometimes I had to work that out with the other guys.
A diffferent not a cop.
To 4/21/2012 02:56:00 PM
I don't know what a peach shield is and I don't want to know why you claim to be more than one.
I am having a hard time understanding this issue. There are X number of slots that have to be filled.
If more people ask for time off than can be accommodated at a particular time, someone loses out. Often by seniority. That is how it has worked everywhere I have worked my whole life (40+ years of work now).
How could it be any different for cops? Just asking cause it doesn't make much sense to me.
I had 10+ years seniority before I could get Christmas off, and sometimes I had to work that out with the other guys.
A diffferent not a cop.
4/21/2012 10:49:00 PM
I'll try my best to explain the difference between asking for time off and our system of time due. These officers have banked time for working overtime, working holidays, and going to court during their off hours. This time is banked in lieu of them being paid for those hours with the understanding that they will be able to use it at a future date to take off of work (this system saves the city money by the way). Now, when they go to cash this time in for a day off, the department tells them NO. The best analogy I can come up with would be this: You deposit all your money in the bank and then when you go to withdraw some of it the teller says "no, not today. Come back tomorrow and maybe we'll give you some of your money then if we feel like it". I bet you'd be pretty pissed off with that type of system in place. So an officer has an important event such as a birthday, a graduation, etc., and he tries to use time that is actually OWED to him to attend. The officer is told no just because some boss feels like being an asshole even though everyone knows there's enough officers to cover the shift. You're right that if too many people asked to be off it would have to go by seniority and someone would need to be denied. This is almost never the case however. The time is denied just because some boss feels like denying it. The CPD is full of morale boosting bosses.
Anonymous said...
New C.O. in 008 should go back to 016, you guys can have him. We had a true leader in Kup. He can save his 3rd watch roll call "rah-rah" speeches for people who give a fuck, 'cause no one cares. Buck for your next promotion/$30,000 pay hike at someone else's expense. P.S. Commander, I bet you won't miss any family gatherings this summer!
4/20/2012 06:05:00 PM
You're way off base here but then again, you're one of the 008 dogs who won't even protect your own homefront. Your commander was always a worker and a very fair guy. But you, as a dog, don't like that do you? You want to hide your whole tour, stay down on jobs as long as possible, maybe write one or two parkers and then tell everyone how "tough" you are because you work in 008 and the new commander, a northsider, is a goof. Guess what? Your a real moron.
when i first saw our new DC i said to myself i sure hope she's for the best...boy was i FUCKING wrong, i really need to get my eyes checked bigtime, you look good in uniform but you truely need to get your shiny boots in the water and play awhile learn some ropes before you go grab a radio and get one of us hurt out there. you seriously need to go back inside where you came from!!
yep she's a joke alright along with the few other air-head whitie tighties in 015. So sad, a great district to work for but crap-azz know nothing so called bosses!
Just curious: what happens if you are denied and attend the personal event anyway? I'd sure be tempted to do that, hell, not tempted, I'd do it if it was my daughter's wedding!
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