Speed Cameras Pass
It’s full speed ahead for Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s controversial plan to use cameras to catch motorists who speed near schools and parks.
Despite concerns that the plan is more about raising revenue than keeping children safe, the City Council on Wednesday approved the dramatic expansion in Chicago’s Big Brother surveillance network. The vote was 33-14.
The debate turned emotional when Ald. Jim Balcer (11th) recalled that he was run over by a car when he was 8.
“It was a traumatic experience in my life. I still remember it,” Balcer said. “People said buckle up wouldn’t work. They said why give people tickets who won’t buckle up? It has saved lives [and so will speed cameras]. We will get used to it. We will adjust to it. If people don’t want a ticket, obey the law.”
Turning to his colleagues, Balcer said, “If you don’t want the cameras, let me have them. I’ll be glad to put them in to save the lives of children.”
Ah yes, "the children." Anyone care to tally up the number of children hit and killed by cars this year in Chicago? Then compare it to the number of children shot sleeping in their beds, sitting on their front porches or walking through a park near a pick-up basketball game?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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OK, spped cameras to protect the kids. Does this mean they will remove the speed bumps? Why the need for two means of slowing down traffic? Better for fire and ambulances. How about it Rahm? One or the other. Can't have it both ways.
These clowns should have a MBA (master bullshit artist) after their names.
Next up, Rahm's brother will be selling license plate flippers to people who want to avoid the cameras.
I have 20 yrs.on the job and wont be able to retire for another 10 years. I cannot not believe I which I was 55 years old TODAY!so I could retire retire and move far, far away from this fucked up city,county,state and away from all the fucked up DUMMYcrats that populate it! These alderscum keep getting re-elected because democRATs are dumb. They know not to vote against a sitting Mayor who has DEEP campaign pockets, who can find another aspiring politican to run against the alderscum who did not vote in the mayors favor. They know no matter how their votes keep fucking over the ciizens of chicago, they will keep getting re-elected. Heck 9.5 will even endorse them. These dumocRATs will regret the day they didnt protest these cameras, when they get caught 2 or 3 times a day, they will which they had protested these cameras but by then it will be too late.Oh and by next year I will guarantee that the $35 fine will double to $90! God I hate this fucking city!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry rant off!
One of the most amusing parts of the agreement between the city and the camera company is that any disputes must be handled by confidential arbitration.
That means the taxpayers never know the nature or resolution of a city contract, even though we're paying for it!
Closed-door transparency?
The same arbitration clause is in the parking meter contract and others.
Don't worry. You have no need to know.
"Anyone care to tally up the number of children hit and killed by cars this year in Chicago?"
The results of the city's survey on this issue are secret.
More transparency! Thanks, Rahm!
I'm surprised there were 14 "no" votes. Usually, it's the unanimous 50-0 tally. Vote every one of these thieves out, including the mayor.
If a child had been hit and killed by a speeding car during this ongoing camera debate, it would have been shouted from the rooftops. Emanuel would probably have them turn the air raid sirens on, just to make sure no one missed the story.
It's a non-issue, and it's ALL about the revenue.
Can't wait til all the Rahmbots start getting those cute little invoices in the mail every few days.
Time to vote, them out!!!
Anyone care to tally up the number of children hit and killed by cars this year in Chicago? Then compare it to the number of children shot sleeping in their beds, sitting on their front porches or walking through a park near a pick-up basketball game?
Anyone else see a disparity here?
well, now, in order to avoid getting a ticket, the drive-by cretins will be driving by at a slower speed, and this may help them hit who they're, supposedly, really aiming at.
Mr Emmanuels home address is 4228 N. Hermitage and of course this is public information when Mr Emmanuel stated his wife, Amy Rule, stored her wedding dress at said address. Thank you Mr Emmanuel for protecting the children...
"Voting no were: Alds. Arena, Cappleman, Pawar, Osterman, Fioretti, Dowell, Burns, Hairston, Sawyer, Jackson, Chandler, Waguespack, Sposato, and Reilly. Absent were Alds. Maldonado, Reboyras, Graham. The other 33 aldermen voted yes."
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This is less of a rubber stamp than in the past. This Mayor is really rubbing people the wrong way. Hope this guy never wins another election ANYWHERE!
Yet even MORE incentive to avoid this overtaxed, violent, sanctuary city.
it would be easier to.. maybe... start raising the village children the proper way. or maybe get the Waring tribes to trade the elders daughter ..of course there is aways a chance a liberal scientists will help the talking monkey to escape ..see how that turned out...wow such a line I walk ...
they'll break, or won't work from the beginning
If anyone wonders why we still have 50 aldermen, rahm has a better chance to pass his bullshit than he would with a lot fewer. Wait until the "infrastructure improvements" juice payments start. They will pass that too.
So..because this dumbfuck, didn't pay attention when his parents were teaching him to look both ways before crossing the street..the rest of society has to be inconvenienced with his camera bullshit?
To answer my own question..YES!
Yeah sure, but kids killed in beds, parks or porches dont generate income for the Ramhster to hand out to his friends.
Another perfect example as to why this city does NOT need 50 Aldermans!
Besides they sounded like uneducated, babbling, idiots on Newsradio this morning!
This town is full of left wing thieving jokers!
Da Pelon
They keep getting re-elected because idiots don't mind being slaves and giving away their freedom to criminal fools in office.
Did you ever think growing up that you would be under government surveillance every moment you were outside? That's the city we live in now. And you did it every time you voted or were too damned lazy to vote.
If a few of us can engage in a little civil disobedience by putting a black self tie garbage bag over the camera we can shut this nonsense down right quick.
don't speed and you won't have to pay fine , it's the only way to get money from the ghetto
quit beefin and obey the law
To the poster who called democrats dummycrats, not that they aren't but really?
we should protest this and form group that would go around and spray paint camera lenses...so they can't see shit..Who da fuck does he think he is ?! god?! I disagree with this mr major. did you ask me or any citizen of this city..fuck no! how about a vote. every citizen with an address in this city should be able to go on line and vote on this. do your fucking job and run this city. if you put any camera in my area, i will personally go and make sure it does not work.
" they will which they had protested these cameras but by then it will be too late.Oh and by next year I will guarantee that the $35 fine will double to $90! God I hate this fucking city!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry rant off!"
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Seeing that you have 10 years left on this job, why don't you take advantage of our tuition reimbursement program and take a few remedial spelling and math classes.
I 'which' you the best of luck in your continuing education...DUMMY..
21 years in a beat car and I never recall handling a child struck by a car. When did this become such a epidemic???? $$$$$$$ MAY THE SOCCER MOMS RAISE HELL!!!
Ok .....Another idiot tax.Drive properly and it's not an issue.
So, is there a block in the city where you can actually do the speed limit w/out being TAXED? I'm sorry, fined?
Just a matter of time when the truth comes out and numerous personnel in the council, are found to have financial interests in the companies involved.
Ald. Balcer's (11th) head is so stuck in the 'up and down' nodding-in-agreement mode with the former mayor that he's still in the perpetual motion phase, like a self winding watch.
Daley is gone. Somebody on either side of him on the Council floor, (Ald. Pope 10th or Ald. Cardenas, 12th) nudge the bobblehead!
Better yet, pimp slap him from behind.
"Absent were Alds. Maldonado, Reboyras, Graham."
These three are REAL ASSHOLES!
They don't even have the balls to stand up and represent their constituents, many of whom will surely be ticketed.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT.
How many votes AGAINST this ordinance would it have taken to defeat it???
I guess none of these 3 wanted to be the one to cast the deciding vote to defeat it. That surely would have pissed off Mayor Hitler.
Maybe if they could rig speed cameras to read the bar codes on the bullets zooming around, then fine the shooters via adminstrative courts? Two birds, one stone.
"Turning to his colleagues, [Ald. Jim Balcer, 11th Ward] said, “If you don’t want the cameras, let me have them. I’ll be glad to put them in to save the lives of children.”
The man is in hysterics.
What an utterly irrational statement.
Was he in tears when he said this? Will there be a video of this too?
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Took my car and all my money
done me wrong and it ain't funny, woe is me, shame on you.
Its all about the children! Hah, what a crock.
Boo hoo hoo, its for the children!!! Now where's our fucking money.
Is that the same Balcer who had a cul de sac put at Lowe and Pershing because he didn't like police and fire driving down his street on the way to their stations at 35th and Lowe. Fuck him.
This is going to F up traffic.
You know how good citizens drive when they are in front of a marked squad. Times that by a million and you are going to have the city's new rush hour.
residency in the city is if you have clothes stored there. thats what rahm used to prove he was a resident. so if you want out of paradise, rent out your apt or home, but leave a closet of your belongings behind. you can also vote at both places like college students do.
For me, living near a school or park would be a negative factor anyway -- I have to pay for them, but by this time I see them not as "havens of education" or "fields of healthy recreation," but as mere s__t magnets and sources of noise, dirt, and danger.
Now there are going to be blinding photoflashes going off at odd intervals as cars jerk and scrape over weird bumps in the street.
They are turning this city into a living hell with a big smiley face painted on the front.
Anything for a buck.
The best part of the joke is that it's not like this Mayor plans to be here for very long.
Maybe a__hole buddy Bloomberg will hire Emanuel away to work in Bloomie's huge new "financial hub" in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
http://www.bloomberg.com/pressroom/2011/03/17/bloomberg-l-p-opens-10th-global-hub-in-dubai-2/index.html
We can only hope...
"...overtaxed, violent, sanctuary city."
--4/19/2012 05:28:00 AM
You have a way with words.
"Closed-door transparency?"
--4/19/2012 12:41:00 AM
Yeah, Emanuel is "giving the aldermen another week to understand" his $7.3 billion "infrastructure" scam.
That means he doesn't have the votes to get it by.
You can just see the little bastard running around applying thumbscrews and boiling oil, getting out those telephoto pictures of illicit sex, city credit card receipts for drinking binges -- whatever dirt he has on some of the dirtiest people around.
Can you hear the piercing shrieks echoing down the hallways, the pleading for mercy?
$7.3 billion?
Believe me, he'll get it through.
"This [Council vote] is less of a rubber stamp than in the past. This Mayor is really rubbing people the wrong way. Hope this guy never wins another election ANYWHERE!"
--4/19/2012 04:39:00 AM
Yeah, Obama The Weird is really laying the groundwork for the Emanuel White House bid, too.
I don't think anyone even makes elevator shoes with enough lift to help Rahm any. I mean, there are limits.
"OK, speed cameras to protect the kids."
--4/19/2012 12:19:00 AM
...the same way the "pod" cameras protect everyone already.
Did they ever catch the driver who ran down two elderly women right in the middle of "Showcase To The World," "global" downtown, in front of about six cameras?
"Does this mean they will remove the speed bumps? Why the need for two means of slowing down traffic? Better for fire and ambulances. How about it Rahm? One or the other. Can't have it both ways."
Oh yes he can. You were just "honored" on the city sticker by the same people who are going to steal your pension and invest it in fleets of Canadian-made bicycles, birdhouses, and Vanecko Corp. windmill farms.
Be quiet.
This same issue was struck down in appeals in the Carolinas last year. It's illegal. The city will probably pay more to fight and lose, than they will profit from the cameras in the first place. Just because city council votes it in, does not mean it's legal. Thank you for representing Chicagoans city council
Good idea !!! Slow down !!!!!
Ghetto won't pay...they will come up with some fucking social payment plan that taxpayers will have to pay....fuck them ALL!!!!
Anonymous said...
don't speed and you won't have to pay fine , it's the only way to get money from the ghetto
quit beefin and obey the law
4/19/2012 09:02:00 AM
How many ghetto rides have you stopped that were legitimately registered. Plates, etc...
Sounds lie you never worked "the ghetto".
what is next attaching machine guns to them, its to protect the children..
anytime the the government or civilian accuses you of breaking the the law..you how a right to face your accuser during a hearing..this bullshit, i dont care if it is a camera and its just a fine they are still accusing you of a crime..
If my Alderman voted for this, I will vote against him/her next time. THAT is a promise.
I will also make this issue #1. It was not wanted and you put it in anyway. You are an elected official and your job is to do what your constituency wants, not what your lord and master Rahm wants.
http://www.phantomplate.com/--- i put this on my plates, and i know for a fact that i was supposed to get two red light tickets i have yet to receive them!!! i would recommend this, the can has enough for 4 plates. And this stuff isn't illegal...
Ghetto won't pay...they will come up with some fucking social payment plan that taxpayers will have to pay....fuck them ALL!!!!
4/19/2012 03:51:00 PM
EXACTLY!! Mary Oconnor voted yes for this bullshit. Time to vote her out.
Spinless Aldercreatures were looking for any reason to vote for this POS ordinance. Wait till their ward residents start getting these tickets in the mail. No one will even know they are coming. Got a kick out of Ald. Surez who stated his mind was not made up until he saw the broadcast on Ch. 5 the night before. It shows a radar gun picking up numerous speeders on Kedzie Ave. next to Humboldt park. Huh? Of course they go fast on a busy street. How about the vast majority of schools and parks that are surrounded by side streets with SPEEDBUMPS? What a fucking joke! And the joke is on US as usual. We will be paying Redflex for years to come after the Racoon is gone and history.
The champagne was flowing yesterday at Redflex headquarters in Australia. Getting the speed cameras in Chicago will open up the entire country to this corrupt swindle. The Racoon's pals will reap untold millions from this scam. Fuck us!
The city will begin installing up to 300 cameras all around the city. You can guess where a majority of these cameras will go. WHERE THE MONEY IS. We have no say as to where and how many of these things will be placed. In fact we have no say about anything. What the fuck kind of Democracy is this?
It's only a matter of time 'til the cameras start getting vadalized just like the meters were and the pay boxes are.
Zalewski 23rd ward rubber stamp suck hole voted again to stiff his voters.
This is nothing less than a Declaration of War by Rahm Emanuel against the citizens of Chicago. It's time to rise up and rebel. I encouarge everyone to somehow destroy these cameras through whatever means necessary.
If in fact this is 'for the children', why not sentence the speeder to an 8 hour day @ their neighborhood school as their penance? How does taking money from citizens make 'the children' any safer?
It is purely a new way to grab revenue for our mismanaged city.
First, if you think traffic in this town sucks now just wait.. Next if they aprove a 7.3 billion deal in contracts on the backs of the tax payers for their friends, that will be the juice that breaks the piggy bank in this town, hello Detroit.
so by putting these speed cameras in , we are gaurented that no child will be hit by a school or park. I am so glad that the Mayor has figured out how to stop a accident, Maybe State Farm and Allstate should hire him.
Signed
Traffic Guy
The alderman who got hit when he was 8 got hit because his mama didn't teach him how to look both ways before and WHILE crossing the street...
These things are bullshit. How the fuck do I get to confront my accuser, Camera s/n 4969693?
I can't wait to see what the lifespan of these piece of shit cameras is in the Ghetto - Mr. burning tire meet Mr. Camera... just sayin' - google for "GATSO UK" and see what happens to these reviled pieces of shit.
As for the "don't speed" crowd - fuck you. Just wait until the pricks in City Hall start dialing up the fines and dialing down the speed you need to be going in order to get fined. You want to give people tickets by parks or schools? Fine. Post a cop there - do it the right way, or don't do it at all. But no fucken way do you get to turn this shit over to some machine... no fucken way do you get to stop on civil liberties in the quest for more cash... This isn't protecting children, it's a fucken excuse to grab cash and everyone with at least one working piece of grey matter knows it...
VOTE. EVERY. ONE. OF. THE. PRICKS. OUT. OF. OFFICE.
Most importantly, 20yrs on the job and not one child struck by a car.
A few 501 adults falling into the streets after filling their stumbling ass with night train, tequila or vodka, but never a child.
Mayor Racoon may be able to fool the sheeple, but not the people.
WHAT A FUCKIN SCAM! KEEP VOTING DEMOCRATIC YOU DUMBASSES...
In a city 650 million in debt We need every dollar we can get! Rather than complain, slow down, how do you fight something that might save one child's life. What we should have insisted on was the city use the revenue to fund the pension.
Moved out of Chicago (and cook county) 7 years ago and NEVER regretted it.. (next move is out of state).. the ONLY time I go into the city is to pick up my daughter or grand-daughter and bring them out to my house.. my daughter and her husband would LOVE to get out of CHICAGO but right now jobs are hard to come by.. so they are stuck.. just wait till Obama returns.. Rahm has a nice job for him than they (Axlrod.. Rahm and Obama) can all be together running the city..
"...if you put any camera in my area, I will personally go and make sure it does not work."
--4/19/2012 09:16:00 AM
In UK and on the Continent, they burn the things.
http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/sep/07/transport.ukcrime
http://english.controleradar.org/burning-gatso.php
http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/004518.html
Seriously.
Sling an old tire around the thing, pour in a little gas, and up it goes, snap-crackle-pop.
I will be MORE likely to hit a child in a 'zone' because now, instead of looking out my window at the dumbass not crossing at the corner with the guard, I will be intently watching my speedo, ensuring I am not going over 20MPH. Did anyone ever think of that?
Anyone have a link to exactly how this system figures out what car it is watching? Red light cameras I can understand. You can show me the video. Where is the video of my speedo? Can I subpoena the camera to see that it is properly calibrated?
"It's only a matter of time 'til the cameras start getting vadalized just like the meters were and the pay boxes are."
I don't recommend throwing eggs/feces/etc. onto the glass covering the camera.
Remember, they run video constantly.
I also don't recommend hacking the system via computer. Each camera has it's own IP address.
"anytime the the government or civilian accuses you of breaking the the law..you how a right to face your accuser during a hearing..this bullshit, i dont care if it is a camera and its just a fine they are still accusing you of a crime.."
No. It's not a quasi-criminal offense as a traffic ticket is.
It's a civil violation. If you contest it you appear before an "Administrative Law Judge", someone who's not a judge at all, just an apparatchik whose interest is to protect his own job (find against you).
"It's only a matter of time 'til the cameras start getting vadalized just like the meters were and the pay boxes are."
I don't recommend throwing eggs/feces/etc. onto the glass covering the camera.
Remember, they run video constantly.
I also don't recommend hacking the system via computer. Each camera has it's own IP address.
4/19/2012 10:19:00 PM
I also wouldn't recommend riding a bicycle down a street some evening with a little ball peen hammer, banging the little expensive solar panels that are on top of the meters.
Another tax, they won't pay down the debt they just start new programs.
Democrats, destroying the country one law at a time.
if lidar tickets are being squashed how is this any different?
Anonymous said...
Ghetto won't pay...they will come up with some fucking social payment plan that taxpayers will have to pay....fuck them ALL!!!!
4/19/2012 03:51:00 PM
EXACTLY!! Mary Oconnor voted yes for this bullshit. Time to vote her out.
4/19/2012 04:25:00 PM
O'Connor voted yes and now the residents of the 41st ward, city employes will pay a heavy price. Imagine a speed camera on nagle Ave within 1/8 of a mile from Taft HS? That street alone will bring in millions of dollars a year.
"It shows a radar gun picking up numerous speeders on Kedzie Ave. next to Humboldt park. Huh? Of course they go fast on a busy street...."
--4/19/2012 04:38:00 PM
Riis Park has Narragansett on west side, Fullerton on south side. What, everyone going to go 19 MPH here?
"We will be paying Redflex for years to come after the Racoon is gone and history."
Oh, these folks'll keep bumping into each other for drinks -- just not where you and I can see.
I love transparency.
Anonymous said...
Zalewski 23rd ward rubber stamp suck hole voted again to stiff his voters.
4/19/2012 06:18:00 PM
i ran into Zalewski the other night at the casino and he related that he does not care much about public opinion due to the fact he will not seek re-election
one of the first things nazis did... Took the wealth of any and all. They still lost. Rahm wants money but can't figure out nor would he dare cutting hand out program. Know how much ghetto residential day cares charge per kid? Guess who pays for that? Mommy isn't married but has a good job and a porsche suv. She also has a link card and section 8 housing. Quinn and rahm want chaos and disorder. Unfortunately, they will prevail.
In a city 650 million in debt We need every dollar we can get! Rather than complain, slow down, how do you fight something that might save one child's life. What we should have insisted on was the city use the revenue to fund the pension.
4/19/2012 09:30:00 PM
Bull. "Might save one child's life"? Yes, it might also deflect a Jedi light saber attack, too. But, it's rather unlikely.
But, it will cost millions of dollars to install and it will cost hundreds of millions in fines, punishing the people who are out there working for a living, trying to tread water financially in these difficult times.
@ 4/19/2012 04:38:00 PM and the rest of you PO's.
IF the police department had enough Officers trained to use Radar and Laser...and had enough of the hand held or tripod / squad mounted Speed guns, And the PO's then Actually Did Traffic Stops for speeding in this damn city....
We wouldn't be stuck with these things now. And we wouldn't have gotten stuck with the RLC's.
But hey...the Morale problem is more important than doing the Job.
Time to suggest to the Dept Director of Revenue that We start doing more of the ANOV's as well.
well, you can't get from point 'A' to point 'B' any faster than:
1. traffic signals, (ie., lights and stop signs)
2. other vehicles
3. objects within the chosen path, other than other vehicles, (ie. speed bumps, pot holes, pedestrians, construction, etc.)
will allow.
with gas approaching 5 bucks a gallon, unless you enjoy having your vehicle's brakes replaced on a yearly basis, what the fuck is the point in repeatedly accelerating for a block or so, only to have to come to a complete stop?
and, yes, i'm the asshole pacing my progress from point 'A' to point 'B', so as to not waste my hard earned dollars on burning up the over priced gas in my tank, just so i can 'feel' like i'm getting somewhere in a hurry, even though i'm not.
and, no, my nickname isn't tommy the turtle.
O'Connor voted yes and now the residents of the 41st ward, city employes will pay a heavy price. Imagine a speed camera on nagle Ave within 1/8 of a mile from Taft HS? That street alone will bring in millions of dollars a year.
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Or any side street within 1/2 mile around Taft for that matter. The asshole students coming and going from Taft need to slow down
If these are a certain RADAR camera made by the Chinese, they will not accept a tuning fork calibration.
Internal only.
Seems to go against standards.
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