Helmet Problems?
Um, true or false? Because it would really be helpful to know seeing as how we're just under five weeks away from NATO:
- Spent a few hours at 9th Dist yesterday LT . had been notified to send 4 guys to training that day regarding the new face shields being issued for the G8 summit.
What these guys were told is hard to believe.The large majority of helmets in use do not have screws or rivets on the sides. The "fix" is to remove the trim piece which slips over the unfinished edge of the helmet and glue it back on using department issued Gorilla glue. After waiting 24 hours for the clue to set the new face masks will be clamped to the newly glued trim piece. Everyone hopes the glue will hold. Many if not most of the helmets currently in use have exceeded the expiration deadline given by the manufacturer (5 years).
If CPD had not missed a deadline to file a request they could have gotten 13,000 actual kevlar helmets with face masks for DOD for free. Nobody put the request in.
This would be unbelievable if we didn't actually work for the Chicago Police Department. As it is, we're reduced to asking on behalf of the entire rank-and-file for accurate information.
For the reading challenged, you can see we give this rumor no credence one way or the other - we are asking for confirmation or refutation, simply that.
For the reading challenged, you can see we give this rumor no credence one way or the other - we are asking for confirmation or refutation, simply that.
Labels: un-fucking-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
133 Comments:
Who cares, we weren't even invited to the protest. Why is anyone going? It's rude to crash their party.
Everyone call in sick.
I'm still waiting on my helmet numbers to come in. That's whats really important.
Confirmed... I work in 013 and just received my new face mask. There was no hardware issued to affix the new shield to the helmet. To use crazy glue is just asinine.
I can confirm that the face sheilds finally arrived last week say Tuesday or Wedensday. I saw them all stacked up in the room that was used as the "026th district" for training. Doesn't surprise me one bit that this would be the case. Ill just keep my old sheild on. Sounds like it will be just as useful as the "new" ones anyway. What a joke.
This is the city that the little fat drunk left for tiny dancer 9.5 .
Nothing suprises me/shocks me anymore about the crappy way this town is run.
Helmets, Helmets ! We don't need no stinkin helmets.
We should be used to the shit thrown at us by the former & current mayors.
Is is time for recess yet ?
I can tell you that there is something worng with the face masks because we had "Riot" training the other day and the instructors said the shields have been in, but for some unknown reason they won't release them. It's really fucking sad that this department does every thing wrong, fucked up and backwards. They spend so much $$$ to do it worng all the time and then have to fix it half assed. Who the hell are the clout fools put in these positions to make these bad decisions?
"PROTESTERS NEED TO EAT TOO!"
--Lou Malnati, Malnati's Pizza
Safety greivences!!!!! Proper equipment, refuse to work without proper equipment, not your fault the department is run by idiots, it is your fault if you don't use your contract to your advantage! I hope the union steps up!
Just keep moving along folks. Nothing to see here. Nope...
The US Secrete Service is getting laid by hookers down in Columbia and the bankrupt USA that feels the need to cut spending on everything has found it necessary to blow millions on potassium iodine tablets.
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/potassium-iodide-sales-surge-on-heels-of-large-government-order-147297175.html
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People stocking up for Armageddon?
Wee dunt needs naw stickin helmoots!
"If CPD had not missed a deadline to file a request they could have gotten 13,000 actual kevlar helmets with face masks for DOD for free. Nobody put the request in."
Departments have gotten whole fleets of helicopters that they can't even afford to operate or maintain through DOD.
One-horse-town PDs have a dozen M16s, gas masks, all kinds of stuff. It would not surprise me if Chicago screwed up here -- after all, the whole thing was in the hands of left-over PR flacks from Daley's failed Olympics try.
People who think of emergency preparedness as "Doomsday thinking" aren't going to do s__t.
Pass the glue...
CB up, dude. My valet buddy just called and said he is following some pick pockets on Michigan Avenue.
I really miss the Pillow Talk posts.
I work in 009 and was told by the officers sent for training to be our shield installers that this is exactly how they've been trained to install our new shields... with Gorilla Glue!
Originally everyone was told these new shields would be screwed or riveted on.
On top of that we were told there'd be enough new shields for everyone's helmet. When these installers went to pick up their supplies the other day they were given only enough supplies to do the tact helmets. They were told everyone else will get theirs eventually. Eventually?? This fucked up psunami is little more than a month away now!
Typical fucked up department bullshit.
I emailed a sugggestion to Seer but about 2 weeks ago but so far haven't received a response.
So for the sake of officer safety here it is.
Motocross riders riders employ something called Zip-off or Rip-off visors. They are clear plastic adhesive overlays on their googles or face shields. When hit with dirt and mud and blinded they reach up and peel a layer off. Often the riders wear several layers.
The same could be done for our helmet shields. Either purchased commercially or improvised with something from the motorcycle store or with clear packaging tape. Hit with spraypaint or shit, peel it off and you're back in the fight.
Yea and this is shocking why?
we sent officers and they did indeed come back with a bottle of glue
Oh the protesters are going to have a field day with the CPD... we are in such deep shit.
Yes, it's true but in CPD fashion most people that showed up to learn this 5 minute procedure just blew it off. Some still had the old helmets that if they took the time to ensure that all of their equipment was up to speed could have easily had it replaced earlier. The fix is very simple to replace the old shield. The new shield fits the respirator so its larger and slightly deeper. The instructions are very simple but some in the group made it more difficult by not listening or failing to read the instructions that come with the shields.
after 24 yrs, i cant see out my fn' helmet shield and the foam is all worn away. still waiting for the promised upgrade and occupy chicago starts may 1st.
Would Hoodies work?
great leadership........... screw da troops the gold braids are safe.
Don't fret....all will be made clear in Volume 2 of Debby Kirby's 'Nato Times Gazette' due to be published July 1st 2013. It will include the much sought after article on how to retro-fit your helmet with Bubble-Wrap and Duct tape. These helpful hints are being brought to you by your Department, where our motto is: "We Care!"
Thta is okay, here it is, what, five weeks out. I still have not been sent to any training, I have not received any helemt gear or mask, and I really do not care. I guess I'll be pushing my tier one beat car on the south side during these three days of fun. G R E A T!
HA The Sub Syandard CLOUT system called SHITCAGO
"Heres your helmet Kid now Shut the fuk up"
-but it doesn't work
Leadership at Its finest
well anyonethat modifies the helmet without informing the manufacturer is nuts!!!! furthermore, why hasnt the union been notified????
A little Monday morning humor-for the reading challenged! Ha, I love it but soooo true
Off topic news flash!
Quoted in today's Chicago Tribune, with regards to the Secret Service scandal, O'Bama said, "he will wait until the investigation is complete before he passes judgement on the agents and officers".
Apparently none of them could pass as his son if he had one.
OT: This is as bad as it gets. Forget the New York way now we are going to try the Fenwick Park way.
We need officers on the street and he is worried about a baseball stadium! We need the streets fixed and he is worried about speed cameras at schools
Does anyone else see this goofs ideas of just spending money we do not have?
Off Topic:
Am I the only one seeing OCP here?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-infrastructure-trust-aldermen-20120416,0,4013892.story
It is doubtful that the DOD would just give the department 13,000 current issue Kevlar helmets. they are not real suitable for riot use anyway and are very heavy. I don't even know if they can have a face shield attached.
many manufacturers have started putting expiration dates on all kinds of products like baby car seats in an attempt to reduce their liability. It does not mean there is anything really wrong with the product after it "expires".
as far as repairing the helmet using gorilla glue, it does not sound like there is anything inherently wrong with the idea other than having 13,000 people trying to do it and having most of them ignore the instructions and doing it wrong.
Posted to FreeRepublic.com .. thanks for the report !
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2872652/posts?page=13#13
Øbama / assHolder / Rahm - betraying America one day at a time.
Swipe your ID again idea is on the table. Five day trial to insure all are working.
Slightly OT - Did anyone else see the fax about the first 240 people who sign up can get $240 off of a new vest? WTF? Is this Dept now a game show?
The CPD has lost millions of dollars in grants and equipment, but Rham & company keep promoting these goofs
Congratulations to 013th District Sergeant Geno "Slugger" Saenz on his retirement! See ya' at the party!
Listen. Rumor or truth.
Does any clusterfuck thing this city does surprise anyone any more.
Glue huh, hope it holds. Um, last time I checked, May 1st is 2 weeks away. Nothing like waiting until the last freakn minute.
Rather than worrying about bullshit crime numbers, how about discussing something that matters.
The city's lawyers are shaking down police officers so the city can settle cases. In my opinion, anyone who agrees to kick in their own money for a settlement is out of their mind. Better the city lose a hundred million than I give one dollar.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-settlement-cops-pay-20120415,0,2995192.story
Nothing knew with the department giving us crap equipment. PDT's work 50% of the time, cars suck and hell, the brand new bullpen in the processing room in 019 has been broken for 6 months now. SAD
Safety greivences!!!!! Any greivence then you lose your spot, the boss is pissed at you cause your stirring the pot, out of nowhere you are told to blow and piss and the department becomes instantly vidictive towards you. shouldnt be that way, but it is.
This is not entirely correct. The new face shields are held onto the older helmets by 3 things: a metal band with three spring clips that attach to the front edge of the helmet, an adjustable nylon strap system that wraps around the back of the helmet and is securely tightened, and two large plastic clips that cover the helmet edge and nylon strap. When the strap is tightly secured, their is very little chance that the clips on the metal band will come off - the system was tested successfully without gluing the edge trim and it worked fine. However, since the clips do come into contact with the edge trim, and that trim is not glued down, the trim is being glued to ensure that there is no possibility of becoming detached. The glue that is being used is the same glue that the manufacturer uses now on newer helmets. The reason the shields have not been handed out is because the dept was waiting for a) the glue and b) the training of personnel from districts on gluing and attaching the shields.
As far as 13k kevlar helmets with shields - that's untrue. DoD is engaged in two wars - they are not giving away 13k helmets and shields.
Half of our cabal is retired, the she's just trying to keep on keeping on. Cigarette breaks are kinda lonely now...
If I sniff the glue will it show up on a pee test?
Heard from r&d that they are shipping 1400 shields per week. They are waiting to give them out until all the helmets have been glued so no one puts one on an un-glued helmet.
I was one of a few sent down for the so called training. The base of the helmet will be glued down. Gorilla glue was used in the training. Face shields will be distributed this week and each P/O will glue down his own. Instructions are supposed to be included. Don't get too mad, I guess we could have been forced to buy the glue.
Helmet issues are the least of our problems.
This city and Dept have been trying to mend (or avoid) major deficiencies with gorilla glue for years.
Pension & manpower being the most critical.
The mayors and superintendents current and past have done very little to keep this city and first responders safe. Politics had made this Dept an absolute disgrace.
So, if a new helmet is whats going to 'make us content', then we lost that last ounce of pride.
When the shit hits the fan at NATO, there will be ones who run away and ones who'll go forward.
I expect the white shirts to retreat, and I'll follow that piss poor leadership with my old glued up helmet.
Let the embarrassment lie on the Commmander in Chief.
It's his Department.
Where is Our leader Georges...eating Gyros with Kirby???
"Motocross riders riders employ something called Zip-off or Rip-off visors. They are clear plastic adhesive overlays on their googles or face shields. When hit with dirt and mud and blinded they reach up and peel a layer off. Often the riders wear several layers."
Great info. Should be highlighted
The new shields are better than the old shield which will break when hit by a tennis ball. The trim being glued with Gorilla Glue is true, but that doesn't mean it's an ineffective adjustment. It needs to be done to get the new heavy shield in place. So if your plan is to keep the old one, you're doing yourself a disservice.
As far as getting kevlar helmets from DOD, yes, that could have happened but didn't. A number of reasons, including organizational disfunction and time constraints given the short notice of this event, played into that.
Just get in line and get the new shield. It's the least the department can do to protect you. That idea about peeling off layers of protective film sounds like a great idea, by the way.
Gorilla Glue ? ? ?
Hell, we need about 1 dozen Gorillas from Brookfield zoo - put them in uniform with some 2x4's and let them take some swinging practice on the crowds.
Oh the protesters are going to have a field day with the CPD... we are in such deep shit.
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maybe the city can hire some gang banger friends of Obama to deal with the protesters. then they will have something to really protest.
A few years ago when I went to TARA, one of the instructors asked how many people had been issued gas masks. When only a handful (about 5) raised their hands, he wasn't surprised.
He told us to pick up N94 rated respirators from the hardware store and keep them in our cars. He said these are the same kind contractors use when working with toxic materials (floor refinishing, paints, etc).
It's obvious the department doesn't have a clue on how to prepare us for this coming shit storm, nor do they care about our health or safety. It's all about making 9 1/2 fingers look good. You're better off equipping yourself for this fiasco.
As a supervisor, I can tell you, I WILL NOT be writing anyone up for being out of uniform for the NATO summit. It's all about making sure we go home safe at the end of the day!!
"The US Secrete [sic] Service is getting laid by hookers down in Columbia [sic] and the bankrupt USA that feels the need to cut spending on everything has found it necessary to blow millions on potassium iodine [sic] tablets."
"People stocking up for Armageddon"
--4/16/2012 12:54:00 AM
From this post, it would seem to be The End Of Literacy which threatens.
I'd better load up on more books.
i have been wearing my CPD helmet around my house for the last 43 hours while playing XBOX Live, i have not had any issues! Adam 704
1899 on midnights. she is a helmet problem.
boy o boy o boy!! this nato thing could be the most colossal blunder ever in cpd management history.
We can wear the old leather football helmets like the three stooges!!!
Can't wait to see the cluster.
I had my original helmet issued in 1970 for over thirty years. No one ever mentioned ex-dates until about 2002 when my then Commander told me to get my butt down to Equipment and Supply for a new one. The new one sat in my locker until retirement and was scrapped by E&S. I will say though that they did offer it to me as a planter but I declined.
"Who cares, we weren't even invited to the protest. Why is anyone going? It's rude to crash their party.
"Everyone call in sick."
--4/16/2012 12:13:00 AM
Gee, the entire police department is really demoralized by these identical, never-ending posts from one person.
>yawn<
Very true, I have a feeling the Personnel Injury Atty's are going to be very busy come June. The City has hung us out to dry. How can a city that proclaims itself as " World Class" treat it's First Responders as Third Class Citizens. This is rotten to the core and HAS to be by design.
There is absolutely no upside for us. We have the choice of getting completely destroyed and humiliated, portrayed as brutal oppressors and sued or being maimed or killed. Contact your Atty now to get your affairs in order. It's blatantly obvious the F.O.P. is in bed with the Devil.
Sounds like a lawsuit maybe filed against the City if any cops get injured as a direct result of said stupidity.
This is exactly what happens when you have generations of Exemps that are/were totally Merit Hacks and Never knew how to be a patrolman.
Don't ask the rank and file for ideas, just go to some trumped-up committee of hair-gels with 4 years OTJ or ask a Commander that knows Nothing about Equipment and Supply and this is what you get.
Will the City and CPD EVER get it Right??????
Probably not, too many clouted in the way of progress as usual!
This may be one of the funniest quotes I read in a long time. This is in regards to a dude shot while commiting a home invasion robbery. Turner had survived multiple previous shootings —perhaps as many as 10, his aunt said.
In the most recent incident, last November, Turner was shot in the abdomen and another bullet grazed his eye, she added.
Smith said, “You could say he was blessed to have been shot 10 times before and lived each time,” but she said it couldn’t have been true that Turner could have been robbing the home where he was shot.
“He had kids, and he didn’t need to rob anyone — his family took care of him,” she said.
The same could be done for our helmet shields. Either purchased commercially or improvised with something from the motorcycle store or with clear packaging tape. Hit with spraypaint or shit, peel it off and you're back in the fight.
4/16/2012 03:07:00 AM
Yep. Been using them while "mudding" ATV's for over 10 years. This isn't new technology or rocket science by any means. Should absolutely be standard issue to all police shields, then again, that's using actual logic.
I'd suggest buying some tight fitting paintball/ATV type goggles with a gasket and the peel off lens protectors. Best protection for your eyes, even with these ricockulous shields. No glue needed.
Oh yeah, and if you are left handed, you are being trained two different ways to hold a riot shield because the brain trust in charge ordered ONLY right handed shields. If they didn't say "POLICE" on them, it wouldn't matter, but they do and it does.
By the way, what the hell is a "psunami?" I think I caught that in college once...
Hey Bt 811 3rd Watch get with the program. All cars not to do shit untill this time due thing goes away. Your two bag weed arrest isn't going to solve anything. Give it up just for a little while
" Hit with spraypaint or shit, peel it off and you're back in the fight."
One big problem, this would make sense.
I thought the glue was for the rubber seal . Aww. Fuck it. Don't need no helmet. Give me an aluminum bat and a pipe. Bust some domes and I'll be aight
Gorilla Glue!!! Move!!!
Rumor has it that bosses had specially made helmets for thier pointed heads.
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: The shield will be crazy-glued directly to your head!
Thta is okay, here it is, what, five weeks out. I still have not been sent to any training, I have not received any helemt gear or mask, and I really do not care. I guess I'll be pushing my tier one beat car on the south side during these three days of fun. G R E A T!
4/16/2012 06:54:00 AM
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Three days? You wish.
May Day is in two weeks. They plan to start migrating in on 01 May.
I wearing my old hockey helmet and gloves..LIFM
Motorcycle helmet 'expiration' dates are warranty dates set my the manufacturer to limit liability - you know, like the one on your vest that you ignore for 10 years. The idea that the internal material 'breaks down' is predicated on the belief that you are wearing it regularly, constantly subjecting the internal padding to heat, moisture, and oils/salts in your sweat. Additionally, the warranty is meant to limit liability in the even of injury sustained in a motorcycle crash - something that subjects the rider to impacts well above and well beyond an object thrown by another person.
Save yourself some money and do like we've done for decades: put a pice of saran wrap on the outside. Pull it tight so it's smooth and distortion is eliminated. Then, on the day, you can peel it off if needed.
The End.
ot We need speed cameras why????
Fewer children die from accidental injuries
Updated at 01:36 PM today
April 16, 2012 (ATLANTA) -- Accidents are killing far fewer children and teenagers than in the past, according to a new government report released Monday.
The death rate for youths ages 19 and younger dropped about 30 percent from 2000 to 2009. The number of deaths dropped too, from about 12,400 to about 9,100.
"We've made progress, and because we've made progress our children are safer than ever before," said Ileana Arias of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the agency that released the report.
But accidental injuries remain the leading cause of death for youths ages 1 to 19. On average, one child dies every hour from fires, falls and other accidents, she added.
A 41 percent drop in traffic fatalities had a huge impact on the numbers -- crashes annually account for half or more of kids' deaths from accidents. The CDC didn't analyze exactly what caused that decline, but officials believe it was helped by measures like graduated driver's licenses and use of child safety and booster seats.
Childhood deaths from drownings, fires and falls also plummeted.
Meanwhile, the CDC saw an alarming jump in deaths from prescription drug overdoses, a trend seen in adults but which also reaches down into the ranks of older teenagers.
Accidental poisonings for all kids and teens rose by 80 percent, to 824 in 2009, according to the new report. About half of the most recent poisoning deaths were adolescents ages 15 to 19 who overdosed on prescription drugs.
For some kids, prescription medications -- some of them snagged from parents' medicine cabinets -- appear to be replacing marijuana as gateway drugs, said Arias, the CDC's principal deputy director.
The toll from suffocations also rose, to 1,160 deaths in 2009. Roughly 1,000 of those were infants ages 1 and younger, a group for which the suffocation rate climbed 54 percent.
CDC officials repeated their call for parents to put babies to bed on their backs, remove loose bedding materials and take other steps to make cribs and sleeping places safer.
The report also looked at trends in individual states. The authors saw declines in almost every state, with the biggest drops in Delaware, Iowa, Oregon and Virginia.
Mississippi continued to have the worst numbers, with an accidental death rate in 2009 of 25 per 100,000 people ages 19 and younger. Massachusetts had the lowest rate at 4 per 100,000.
The CDC report was based on death certificate information for youths ages 19 and younger for the years 2000 through 2009.
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"This is not entirely correct. The new face shields are held onto the older helmets by 3 things: a metal band with three spring clips that attach to the front edge of the helmet, an adjustable nylon strap system that wraps around the back of the helmet and is securely tightened, and two large plastic clips that cover the helmet edge and nylon strap. When the strap is tightly secured, their is very little chance that the clips on the metal band will come off - the system was tested successfully without gluing the edge trim and it worked fine. However, since the clips do come into contact with the edge trim, and that trim is not glued down, the trim is being glued to ensure that there is no possibility of becoming detached. The glue that is being used is the same glue that the manufacturer uses now on newer helmets. The reason the shields have not been handed out is because the dept was waiting for a) the glue and b) the training of personnel from districts on gluing and attaching the shields."
--4/16/2012 10:10:00 AM
Hokay! Very detailed and authoritative. "We can do that."
General practice with adhesives; it is usually good to use sandpaper toroughen the surfaces that are to be joined, and then to wipe down perhaps with 90% isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) to remove the sanding dust and any mold release agents (oily), skin oils from touching, etc. that might interfere with the bond.
If the "Gorilla Glue" is what the mfr. uses, good to go. It is a polyurethane resin -- it does swell somewhat on curing, has a "gap-filling" effect. Might be just the thing here, just holding the trim, not depended on to hold the whole shield to the helmet.
"As far as 13k kevlar helmets with shields - that's untrue. DoD is engaged in two wars - they are not giving away 13k helmets and shields."
It's fedgov -- they will have ten million of one thing, "Mk. 1" being crossed off the list while they're letting contracts for "Mk. II Improved." I know in general that they have pushed a lot of stuff over the loading dock to PDs in years past.
You may be right here -- I sure wouldn't trust Daley's leftover cocktail-party people to get safety gear if it were available, though. "Vote of no confidence."
This kind of work should have been in full swing last year. Metra still doesn't know if it'll have to stop commuter trains on the old IC Electric line yet...I mean...
"I had my original helmet issued in 1970 for over thirty years."
--4/16/2012 01:01:00 PM
I have seen them that old, the three-wheeler guys used to have 'em too, back when that was a Harley "45" with the fiberglass trunk on it.
The foam padding kind of breaks down and gets all gooey, sticks to the vinyl parts of the chin strap, etc. Best to shine it up and put it on the mantelpiece.
True, it is very true, sadly enough. I confirmed with someone who has not yet been dumped by Steve Georges.
What's his name? None of Steve Georges' business!
Gorilla Glue? Is this a farce or what? A major international summit and we get Gorilla Glue to glue the face shields on our helmets to protect us from urine, feces and other miscellaneous thrown objects.
Anonymous said...
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: The shield will be crazy-glued directly to your head!
4/16/2012 03:02:00 PM
Really? I heard the whole helmet is going to be superglued on!
"There is absolutely no upside for us. We have the choice of getting completely destroyed and humiliated, portrayed as brutal oppressors and sued or being maimed or killed. Contact your Atty now to get your affairs in order. It's blatantly obvious the F.O.P. is in bed with the Devil."
--4/16/2012 01:14:00 PM
There is no "us."
There is no "we."
In one corner, we have Andy Thayer in his stupid basketball sneakers producing this material day after day.
Now, in this other corner...
Suffice it to say that you assholes are not going to "maim" or "kill" anyone without instant consequences.
Thrown objects demonstrably can and do kill.
"Unarmed" physical assaults can and do kill.
The Use of Force chart justifies a response "one step higher."
You can't just do anything you want.
Don't mistake coppers bitching among each other for a lack of unity; this force could have pulled together 100 years ago and beat your asses clear back to Boston with nothing more than some good stout oak sticks. It will do the same again if it has to.
If the white shirts get confused, they can stand back and let an old sgt. lead the way.
...and Andy actually wanted promises that the CPD would back up Occupy in an assault on a Federal security perimeter around McCormick Place.
Complete megalomaniac. This guy IS fucked up on something, huh?
Anonymous said...
I wearing my old hockey helmet and gloves..LIFM
4/16/2012 04:04:00 PM
I'm just going to wear an upside-down pail on my head. A plastic one with eyeholes cut out.
And meanwhile, we are picking up our new stars in 011.. How much did that cost! New stars for everyone? My current star is fine.
Oh and we are swiping too!
Wasteful spending, wasting time swiping on machines that wont work after the
first month, insane dangerous zones and foot posts.
Keep the flogging some of the hardest officers in this dept.making the shithole a true shitty place to work.
Rahm and his buddies are going to get some people killed.
Swiping has come to 011.
we'll swipe when the xo's swipe in and out
Motorcycle helmet 'expiration' dates are warranty dates set my the manufacturer to limit liability - Yada, Yada, Yada.....
Not true. The expiration dates are to ensure you don't wear a useless helmet. As anyone knows putting an expiration date doesn't protect the firm from litigation in this society. If it did they wouldn't have driven every US helmet manufacturer out of business or overseas with lawsuits.
The fact is that DOT approved helmets are filled with polystyrene foam which hardens with age regardless of exposure or use. Granted exposure and use will hasten the process but just like a polystyrene foam cooler that sits in your garage unused for five years it hardens, gets brittle and will not absorb impact as it was intended. The foam will crush and crumble much more readily as it gets old.
NOTE: various chemical vapors will rapidly deteriorate the foam ..... like maybe Gorilla Glue vapors. I don't think you will find a helmet manufacturer on the planet that will say gluing a shield or its "plastic clips" on is a good idea. But I am glad to know there is an elastic strap, some metal band and plastic clips to supplement the Gorilla glue. I'm feeling really good about it now.
As for the Kevlar helmets I know of several departments that got them from the DOD over the past few years, but they are "scary" looking so CPD probably doesn't want us to have them, too "Military" looking. I personally saw a CPD guy wearing one at NATO training. He got fed up with the dept BS, got his own, painted it blue and put star and number stickers on it. The trainers thought it was a great idea.
Did the police department at least get the Gorilla Glue for free?
Missed the deadline on the new helmets but no need to be out of pocket (per budget) on the glue right?
Seems whoever was supposed to order the helmets for you cops was SNIFFING THE GLUE instead of requisitioning needed gear. That is sad news.
Hope you guys keep safe with the kludge fix to your head gear. Holy shit... what a bizarre outcome.
is this toxic bein so close to our eyes and scalp?BETTER CHECK ON POTENTIAL HEALTH ISSUES!!
Anonymous said...
Oh the protesters are going to have a field day with the CPD... we are in such deep shit.
4/16/2012 04:40:00 AM
Haha. Keep dreaming son, and go back and tell your Occupy buddies about your fantasy. Go ask your daddy what the CPD did to his melon back in 68. There's more of that waiting for you junior. Ever have a wooden shampoo?
Probably didn't have a fake minority middleman to broker the deal with DOD so it wasn't approved. If the procurement doesn't make someone some money, you can't get it approved.
Three Blackhawks were on maneuvers over the west side this evening, probably in preparation for NATO. At times they were only about 120 feet off the deck, it was truly impressive.
Just like the air and water show where we joke about calling in an air strike, I can only imagine two of the birds swooping in out of no where and a tactical squad fast roping in with a whole lot of ass whupping on the ground and sniper support above.
The looks on their faces would be truly priceless . . . . .
Hey Bt 811 3rd Watch get with the program. All cars not to do shit untill this time due thing goes away. Your two bag weed arrest isn't going to solve anything. Give it up just for a little while
4/16/2012 01:50:00 PM
Considering 811 3rd watch is being proactive, I don't care what they are bringing in.
So fuck off with your work stoppage! Just like the occupy morons, you aren't going to change anything either.
You obviously don't live on 811s beat or else you wouldn't be saying anything.
Keep up the great work 811 third watch!!
I work at 018. and I worry about what im going to eat,and if im going to get stuck processing a shoplifter.
4/16/2012 01:01:00 AM
Give me a break you clown. Some coppers in 011 and 007 are worried if they would be able to sneak away from a foot post without being caught not on there post to take a quick piss in an alley. Quit or bitching and go hit on some ass at div rush just like all your other clown coppers do over there.
Hey Jagoff telling 811 to layoff the dimebag arrests, they are actually working an area where coppers and decent people live! Thanks to 811 for trying to make a difference in Garfield Ridge keeping the Latin Saints the fuck out...
If you don't like 008, then go to 003 and save the world there you 4 year wonder.
Dickhead
http://tinyurl.com/con7ljg
Nice to learn this in the papers
By David Heinzmann and Jeff Coen
Tribune reporters
8:46 p.m. CDT, April 16, 2012
While much of the security planning for the NATO summit remains secret, some information about what the protective measures will look like has started to trickle out.
Anonymous said...
"If CPD had not missed a deadline to file a request they could have gotten 13,000 actual kevlar helmets with face masks for DOD for free. Nobody put the request in."
Departments have gotten whole fleets of helicopters that they can't even afford to operate or maintain through DOD.
One-horse-town PDs have a dozen M16s, gas masks, all kinds of stuff. It would not surprise me if Chicago screwed up here -- after all, the whole thing was in the hands of left-over PR flacks from Daley's failed Olympics try.
People who think of emergency preparedness as "Doomsday thinking" aren't going to do s__t.
Pass the glue...
4/16/2012 02:29:00 AM
We don't even have the ammo to run carbine classes !!!!!
WTF
Can these pricks NOT steal everything ?
We got nothing!
Let's start the pool now !
In order to not embarrass any one, we will pick unit numbers only as opposed to names, to see who will be he first to glue his/her helmet to their fuckin head .
Hairgels must give odds due to the obvious lube advantage.
CPD hairgel and Iraq and Afghanistan veteran here. The DOD would not give us 13,000 new issue kevlar helmets. They cost a few hundred even at the discount the government gets them at. Plus they would be overkill, and they're heavy. Honestly having worn a bunch of different helmets in my life, a lightweight, hard plastic helmet with a little padding would be ideal. Anything that the bleeding heart liberals can put through that and you might as well just get to cover and start returning fire.
Everyone, hit the medical and don't have to worry about using gorilla glue... maybe if everyone stuck together this department wouldn't be were is at. So stop bitching and stick together.. Together we can change the department. Together we can get rid of mcflurry, so maybe if we use guerilla glue to stick together we can change the department.
Who gives a fuck? Go find another job, it is not like you people didn't know this City was full of corruption when you took this job.
We can destroy Rahm and this liberal agenda city if we stick together the next couple of months. Nobody do shit besides their job AND NOBODY DO SHIT FOR NATO!!! They are trying to destroy us and we aren't doing shit about it
Hey Jagoff telling 811 to layoff the dimebag arrests, they are actually working an area where coppers and decent people live! Thanks to 811 for trying to make a difference in Garfield Ridge keeping the Latin Saints the fuck out...
If you don't like 008, then go to 003 and save the world there you 4 year wonder.
So, 811 gets some shitbag with two bags of weed, drives to 008 to process the arrest. Now while they are gone for 3 hrs, no one is on 811's beat. Great work leaving the neighborhood unprotected for a bullsh&t arrest!!!
Squeeze the glue into a paper bag, roll down the opening and place the opening over your nose and mouth. Next, breathe in deeply for several minutes.
Who needs a fucking helmet?
Heard McCarthy called in those Blackhawk helicopters but couldn't point to 007 or 011 on a map.
Everyone, hit the medical and don't have to worry about using gorilla glue... maybe if everyone stuck together this department wouldn't be were is at. So stop bitching and stick together.. Together we can change the department. Together we can get rid of mcflurry, so maybe if we use guerilla glue to stick together we can change the department.
4/16/2012 10:39:00 PM
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We could call it "Gorilla Flu".
Keep the PillowTalk coming! I love it! I sit back, eat my big piece of chocolate cake and enjoy the posts. Burn,baby burn!
again we're fucked by the bosses be safe to all the po's working
Without a new approved helmet, I will protest and not go. So there, how about that? Kiss my ass McGoof.
Anonymous said...
Three Blackhawks were on maneuvers over the west side this evening, probably in preparation for NATO. At times they were only about 120 feet off the deck, it was truly impressive.
Just like the air and water show where we joke about calling in an air strike, I can only imagine two of the birds swooping in out of no where and a tactical squad fast roping in with a whole lot of ass whupping on the ground and sniper support above.
The looks on their faces would be truly priceless . . . . .
If they have anything to do with NATO, my guess is they will be doing little more than filming the events for future law suits
Who gives a fuck? Go find another job, it is not like you people didn't know this City was full of corruption when you took this job.
4/16/2012 10:53:00 PM
Actually, I didn't know. When I came on this job 17 years ago, it was fir the right reasons. My cynicism and crappy attitude is the result of being kicked in the teeth by the dept and asshole citizens like you.
great leadership........... screw da troops the gold braids are safe.
4/16/2012 06:53:00 AM
Honest to God. You know you sound like the Occupy idiots. Grow up.
I work at 018. and I worry about what im going to eat,and if im going to get stuck processing a shoplifter.
4/16/2012 01:01:00 AM
Give me a break you clown. Some coppers in 011 and 007 are worried if they would be able to sneak away from a foot post without being caught not on there post to take a quick piss in an alley. Quit or bitching and go hit on some ass at div rush just like all your other clown coppers do over there.
4/16/2012 08:43:00 PM
You dumb prick, you missed his point entirely.
So, 811 gets some shitbag with two bags of weed, drives to 008 to process the arrest. Now while they are gone for 3 hrs, no one is on 811's beat. Great work leaving the neighborhood unprotected for a bullsh&t arrest!!!
4/16/2012 11:13:00 PM
The point is getting them off of the street. A zero tolerance approach is what teaches these jagoffs that their bullshit will not be tolerated where we live.
Look at 811 days. No arrest and tons of fucking burglaries.
So Seriously, lay to fuck off of 811 on 3rd Watch.
Yeah, yeah, wooden shampoos, kicking ass....ain't gonna happen....the Feds aren't here to help us and in federal civil rights court our policy doesn't matter....stand back, try not to get feces, piss, paint or acetone on you because you might be on the line for 10 plus hours....
In regards to the poster who was speaking about the kevlar helmets.
There was a PO at the airport , ( he's retired now ) who had his hands on these things. Even had federal approval to get things for FREE!!
Downtown ordered him to stand down and not get stuff for free. It hurt the mayors buddies.
I think he is still around doing some business on his own
In response to 811 making dime bag arrests, who are the scums that got arrested? Some gangbanger that needs the pressure on him at all times. Sometimes these arrests are not what the seem. They are a show of force when someone MF's you, and threatens you, when you're trying to do a name check or give them a warning, and that's all you got. Hopefully you know who the players are. This is how we've lost all this control. Coppers take shit and don't want to go to court or make an arrest. Keep up the good work, keep the pressure on at all times.
Retired, residing on 812's Bt.
I hope you're getting decent face shields. My face shield was cracked, shattered, and then broken off in the first fifteen minutes of the first Bulls riot. A pair of four dollar welding goggles from Ace would have done a better job. If I was still working I'd have a few pairs shoved in my vest just in case. You can fix broken bones but the eyes...........
Any other plans you have keep to yourselves.
"Oh the protesters are going to have a field day with the CPD... we are in such deep shit.
4/16/2012 04:40:00 AM"
"Haha. Keep dreaming son, and go back and tell your Occupy buddies about your fantasy. Go ask your daddy what the CPD did to his melon back in 68. There's more of that waiting for you junior. Ever have a wooden shampoo?"
--4/16/2012 07:48:00 PM
There were only about a dozen of these left in that park across frm the mental health clinic. One 10-4 car could have moved it off, maybe a sarge and the wagon if they wouldn't listen.
Today, they smartphone/flashmob for a few "reinforcements" so the job takes a little longer.
IT STILL GETS DONE.
CPD got more "friends" to invite than anyone else in town.
"Cameras" -- so what? "The whole world will be watching" when you get your ass caught and handcuffed and dragged into a wagon for violating the law.
Every seen walls of razor wire, dripping in the rain? Plenty of room in that jail down at 26 and Cal, and you won't like it either.
Of maybe 12,000 total, there are currently maybe 2,000 mentally ill inmates in there, with no medication. You are not going to be exchanging clenched fist salutes with them or chanting "The people, united, etc." They don't even live on the same planet you do.
You'll have problems even finding a drink of water. You try and habeas corpus back to Mommy's lawyer in Greenwich when the gang bangers won't let you use the pay phone 'cause they "got business."
The more arrests, the more time you sit -- like anyone cares. The one thing a jailhouse has is time.
You will never forget the odor of fear -- it is a deep-seated hormonal thing, an involuntary physiological reaction -- when you see your surroundings and your body starts to pour it out. It's the next worse smell to death itself.
This is no game.
Watch it.
There is no thrill to be had here, kids. Don't be used by paid professional agitators. If you don't live here, stay home with your family where it's safe.
Every gun you'll see is REAL and LOADED and we'd rather not have to use them.
Makes a lot of paperwork...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I wearing my old hockey helmet and gloves..LIFM
4/16/2012 04:04:00 PM
I'm just going to wear an upside-down pail on my head. A plastic one with eyeholes cut out.
4/16/2012 05:21:00 PM
Don't forget to wear your tin foil liner in that bucket to keep the kryptonite rays away.
Anonymous said...
Hey Jagoff telling 811 to layoff the dimebag arrests, they are actually working an area where coppers and decent people live! Thanks to 811 for trying to make a difference in Garfield Ridge keeping the Latin Saints the fuck out...
If you don't like 008, then go to 003 and save the world there you 4 year wonder.
Dickhead
4/16/2012 08:46:00 PM
I agree thanks 811 for all you do to protect the "homeland" don't listen to the punks who talk shit!
Hell no I won't go said...
Without a new approved helmet, I will protest and not go. So there, how about that? Kiss my ass McGoof.
4/17/2012 06:09:00 AM
According to management/labor affairs, when the new helmets were issued back in the early 90's, the department made them 'personal equipment' and said all officers were responsible for their own upkeep - like vests. As such, it's your equipment and your responsibility to buy a replacement. They are NOT department equipment, they are first issued personal equip. Info direct from management/labor affairs.
I work at 018. and I worry about what im going to eat,and if im going to get stuck processing a shoplifter.
4/16/2012 01:01:00 AM
Give me a break you clown. Some coppers in 011 and 007 are worried if they would be able to sneak away from a foot post without being caught not on there post to take a quick piss in an alley. Quit or bitching and go hit on some ass at div rush just like all your other clown coppers do over there.
4/16/2012 08:43:00 PM
You dumb prick, you missed his point entirely.
4/17/2012 08:54:00 AM
No you are a dumb prick. That's what guys in 018 worry about what they are going to eat, if they are going to get an early duck, how many phone numbers they get in a night.
Who gives a fuck? Go find another job, it is not like you people didn't know this City was full of corruption when you took this job.
4/16/2012 10:53:00 PM
I didn't know.
Umm, it's april 18th. where is my new shield. shit is going to start May 1st you know
Anonymous said...
Hell no I won't go said...
Without a new approved helmet, I will protest and not go. So there, how about that? Kiss my ass McGoof.
4/17/2012 06:09:00 AM
According to management/labor affairs, when the new helmets were issued back in the early 90's, the department made them 'personal equipment' and said all officers were responsible for their own upkeep - like vests. As such, it's your equipment and your responsibility to buy a replacement. They are NOT department equipment, they are first issued personal equip. Info direct from management/labor affairs.
4/17/2012 05:23:00 PM
Ohhhh, according to Management and Labor Affairs. I see. Now there is an unimpeachable source. Don McNeill, asskisser and liar supreme. If he said it was raining I would still check twice.
So it is personal equipment eh? Then why didn't the department simply have an inspection and gig the non compliant officers?
Simple, the City chose to issue a different face shield, but not a new helmet, to supposedly protect against urine and other such fluids.
And it is now 4 weeks before the event and I still do not have ANY equipment and NO training.
Shove Management and Labor Affairs and Don McNeill up your ass. You go buy yourself updated equipment. Not me. Even if I wanted to buy such equipment, which I don't, no one has it in stock.
Typical Chicago Police Department cluster fuck. I hope and will myself endeavor to embarrass Rahm as much as possible during the upcoming fiasco.
Ohhhh, according to Management and Labor Affairs. I see. Now there is an unimpeachable source. Don McNeill, asskisser and liar supreme. If he said it was raining I would still check twice.
So it is personal equipment eh? Then why didn't the department simply have an inspection and gig the non compliant officers?
Simple, the City chose to issue a different face shield, but not a new helmet, to supposedly protect against urine and other such fluids.
And it is now 4 weeks before the event and I still do not have ANY equipment and NO training.
Shove Management and Labor Affairs and Don McNeill up your ass. You go buy yourself updated equipment. Not me. Even if I wanted to buy such equipment, which I don't, no one has it in stock.
Typical Chicago Police Department cluster fuck. I hope and will myself endeavor to embarrass Rahm as much as possible during the upcoming fiasco.
4/18/2012 07:49:00 AM
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Hey, dont kill the messenger. BTW, they did do an inspection, and they noted who has which helmet. What they do with that info is anyone's guess.
Dont buy a new helmet. The dept isnt going to issue you one either. So, what you have is what you have.
Good grief. I will be saying a prayer for you...
I have a 25 year old helmet. I was told to go to 39th and Damen and get a new one. I was then told they haven't had helmets since January and go to 35th St. I was told at 35th St. to come back in a week. A week later I was told they had no helmets and to put my name on a list and they will call me. O.K.
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