Huh?
Anyone from the ranges want to comment?
- Check this shit out SCC. We were sent to qualify at the academy today and the targets are broken so they only go out to the closest distance/3 yards. The range instructor said they were given the order to have everyone qualified even though the course is no longer up to State regulations. Said at Rahms direction we all need to be rushed thru before NATO in order to qualify for some federal funding (that CPD won't see a single cent of). A3 is no longer open for us to qualify at, nor will they allow us to go out south while on duty because it takes too long. Told us we can go on our own time if we want to shoot at the longer distances. This is a blatant bonehead move by what passes for leadership on this department. Our firearms course is shit as it is, this is unacceptable!
We can't think of any federal grants CPD would obtain for by having everyone qualified early. Local law enforcement gets block grants for all sorts of stuff, but annual qualifications don't ring any bells here.
The state of the ranges is another can of worms and qualifications are a joke in any event.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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I tried to find out when my offender flipped from running with the GD's to running with the BD's but I couldnt. Some bonehead revamped the gang affiliations when you run a persons arrest background on i-clear. what the hell
This means the newest recruits can't shoot shit! Thanks for the backup 9.5.
I qualified at area 3 earlier this year. Same shit. Target was stationary and we were given some ridiculous instruction like " unload a clip, reload, and unload again." Then it was over and they didn't even look at our target, went straight in the trash.
Poster had too much to drink. Like racoon eyes is being updated on the academy range.
We just got a Virginia class nuke sub named after Illinois, how's that for a oxymoron. More than likely Rahmbo and Quinn doest want a armed sub. its sends a wrong message to the children. Best wishes to the new crew. oh you also have inherited a 9.5 sales tax wherever you dock. can't swim for free.
Last year the Dept cancelled the Combat Shooting Class,Which is what we should be doing instead of the Qualifing nonsense.
The Ranges don't work because Rahm won't pay to have them maintained.
The station Heating and Air Conditioning doesn't work because it needs parts and the Engineers and can't get them.
The same thing is true with the Sally Ports and just about every thing else.
Our front office crews have said they have been buying their own staples, glue and paper clips because the Rahm has stopped paying STAPLES. Even the "EASY" buttons have disappeared. I told them to stop doing that and we should send a car to the Alderman's City Hall office with a list of what we need from their stash and if we don't get it we will take matters into our own hands. We should hold a BAKE SALE, come in and buy some cookies so your local police can buy some office supplies because Rahm has shorted them to buy Speed Cameras. Imagine if that were to buy ammo.
bullshit, did all the required shooting at the required distances
You know what's funny though? I have twenty years on, and in those twenty years, it seems that the ranges have the same problems that they had twenty years ago. You would think that at some point in the last twenty years they would have had SOMEONE decide to completely fix these ranges. Then again, it's Chicago. What was I thinking?!
Well... I wonder how the Sanctuary City hooker business is doing right now?
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Misconduct inquiry targets 16 U.S. security team members
Five U.S. military personnel and 11 Secret Service agents preparing for the Summit of the Americas in Colombia are suspected of misconduct involving prostitutes.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-fg-secret-service-scandal-20120415,0,1065941.story
True. Except there's no extra fed money for having us qualified. They want us 'qualified' so they can wash their hands of liability when some overzealous hairgel puts some hot lead into a jagoff NATO protestor or three. This CPD scam ranks right up there with the annual ethics test and all the online training courses that the watch secretary does for you after you log in with your PC #.
ONLY THIS WILL GET A COPPER HURT OR KILLED.
What say you, clout range guy?
Anyone who had to qualify under these conditions should file a safety grievance with the fop
CAPTAIN BUBBLE HEAD FROM 007- Was brought in to IAD for questioning. A BIRDIE told me a big gambling beef coming down to p.o.'s. BUBBLE HEAD has been caught carrying certain coppers on the A&A sheets while they did not report to work. Who else has any other info on CAPTAIN BUBBLE HEAD 007????????????????
30 rounds a year at 3 yards is just fine.
Only every other law enforcement agency in the nation does more.
What could possibly go wrong ?
Only 3 yards?
I thought it went out at least 21 feet?
"Ranges From BULLET POINTS:
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APPLY FOR $400,000 IN GRANTS . . . The National Shooting Sports Foundation invites public and private shooting facilities to apply for up to $400,000 in grants that can assist in developing strategies to put more target shooters on their firing lines. By providing this funding to qualifying ranges, NSSF's Range Partnership Grant Program will continue to help these local businesses remind firearms owners, particularly the millions who have purchased new firearms in recent years, to take advantage of the training and safety services they provide. This marks the fifth year for the NSSF range grant program.
Full Story | How to Apply"
Rahm might just apply for that money then funnel it to Vanecko Sports for ghetto basketball hoops. Shooting basketballs, that's shooting isn't?
This brings to mind a whole other thing that is f*cked up. As a det., we were recently given some kind of b.s. paperwork to show that we were 'homicide' qualified or whatever. I've only been property crimes. The questionnaire asked how many homicides, etc, that you handled.
My paperwork got kicked back because I didn't answer the questions properly. Was told to lie.
I really didn't pay much attention because this dept. is so f*cked up I chalked it up to another f*cked up b.s. shit.
Anybody know more about that? Thinking about it now, I'm sure it involves the city either a) getting funds or b) not having to spend money on training.
All I know is I got some b.s. certificate--now I'm pissed. If anyone can point me in the right direction to find out more I'd appreciate it.
Just set up some targets down range !!! How fricken hard can that be ???
I heard a rumor that because only 1 range is in actual working order, to help with the back log the department has started letting P.O.'s qualify thru ELearning.
Just log onto ELearning and look for the Annual Qualification course.
Call UIC , we have a really nice 2 Million dollar 5 lane range , im sure if you needed state quals we could arrange it. 312.996.2830 ask for Lt. Hersey or Sgt. Phillips.
Simple solution...Fail the course?
SUA SPONTE
We're ready for NATO
How the Fuk can the Command Satff be so ignorant and arrogant?
The Chicago Way won't fly with the International community
Our Intel Groucho guy doesn't have military exp and hates cops
Derby Firby can't even dresss and a Lawyer leading security planning and training
Improving our shooting skills are up to us, unfortunately. Keep your receipts, it all tax deductible. It's bullshit the department doesn't offer better training but this is one skill that can not be left to deterioate. If their is a positive from this if true, you can always blame the department for lack of training.
and kahr 380s are being sent back to the factories due to malfunctions!WHEN IS THE DEPT GONNA LET US NEWER GUYS CARRY A SNUB REVOLVER!THE 380 IS UNSAFE!
SCC:"The state of the ranges is another can of worms and qualifications are a joke in any event."
This is true of many dept across the country.Firearms training is a farce.PDs are so far behind the times in firearms training its mind blowing.Thats the thing,most PDs dont TRAIN(repeat,repeat.repeat....)they show you something once and thats it.
can you really run and gun???Really???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KIfu3oIyOM
Bullshit. The ranges work. Maybe not all the lanes, but you can always get someone in to qualify.
The Ranges don't work because Rahm won't pay to have them maintained.
The station Heating and Air Conditioning doesn't work because it needs parts and the Engineers and can't get them.
The same thing is true with the Sally Ports and just about every thing else.
Our front office crews have said they have been buying their own staples, glue and paper clips because the Rahm has stopped paying STAPLES. Even the "EASY" buttons have disappeared. I told them to stop doing that and we should send a car to the Alderman's City Hall office with a list of what we need from their stash and if we don't get it we will take matters into our own hands. We should hold a BAKE SALE, come in and buy some cookies so your local police can buy some office supplies because Rahm has shorted them to buy Speed Cameras. Imagine if that were to buy ammo.
4/15/2012 12:51:00 AM
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It's only a matter of time.
1st 1st it's the paper, paper clips, glue, staples etc. then IT WILL BE the ammo. Trust me, it's going to happen.
Well what the H double hockey sticks is that crack head looking/ crack head acting administrative manager at the academy doing?
Isn't she in charge of paying for all of these repairs to the ranges?
What did she do with all those Tri River funds?
Close to $550k for inservice stuff.
It's not like there is a whole lot of inservice classes going on where that $$$ would have been spent.
Who's gonna do an audit of her office and misuse of the $$$.
Another useless person doing a useless unqualified job.
But $7 million for a new sanctuary park in 020.
Time to call on your Alderman to see why the Police Commitee has been sitting with their thumbs up their asses.
Every single Rahm Project got overwhelming support by the Council and yet the Police Dept still hasn't been up to minimal standards. What a disgrace. No word from the Superintendant either.
Neighboring Suburban Depts, do you experience these issues with your Public Safety Adm ?
Anonymous said...
CAPTAIN BUBBLE HEAD FROM 007- Was brought in to IAD for questioning. A BIRDIE told me a big gambling beef coming down to p.o.'s. BUBBLE HEAD has been caught carrying certain coppers on the A&A sheets while they did not report to work. Who else has any other info on CAPTAIN BUBBLE HEAD 007????????????????
4/15/2012 02:58:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
This happens EVERY day in this dept.
In my unit there are numerous (note not one, not a couple, not several - NUMEROUS)
Then at the end of the year and they send out the list of BFD and PDays that these officers can sell back - it is amazing to see officers with 10-15 days carried over to the next year!
These ranges have been crap for as long as they have been "open"
Recently attended day 2 off NATO training. What a joke I guess all 2nd watch officers will be tier 2 All the tier 1 will be outfitted with all the protective gear. What will tier 2 get ??
That's nothing new, Area 2 had the same problem months ago when I qualified. The way this administration treats the Department is tragic, we have become bastard step children.
about 14 years ago i went thru the police academy. the range's target holders were all broken. we used the stands that you had to move by hand. I switched over to the CFD awhile later and i was on the ambulance going to a run at the police academy. a PPO had a ricochet hit him the arm and he had a tiny bruise on it. The PPO didnt want to go to the hospital but the range intructors made him. When the hire ups saw the paperwork all of a sudden there was money to get the range fixed.
SCC what's the deal with the swiping (districts) everywhere, been on furlo all new to me....
Sounds like criminal behavior to me.
...must be the karaoke clan.
I qualified early at the Academy on 1st watch. They sent about 6 of us there right after roll call.
The range instructor was visibly angry that he had to do some work.
Not to mention, he hibbity jibbityed too close to the microphone through the course of fire, where a few of us had to ask him to repeat what he just said.
I think one booth didn't work, but we did all distances, but this was in early Feb.
Hey, as long as you can pull that trigger and your gun works, stop your bitching. If you were any kind of cop you'd be practicing on your own time anyway. Also most shootings occur within three feet. Suck it up. Start arresting these criminals, go to court, and show some character.
The Ranges don't work because Rahm won't pay to have them maintained.
The station Heating and Air Conditioning doesn't work because it needs parts and the Engineers and can't get them.
The same thing is true with the Sally Ports and just about every thing else.
Our front office crews have said they have been buying their own staples, glue and paper clips because the Rahm has stopped paying STAPLES. Even the "EASY" buttons have disappeared. I told them to stop doing that and we should send a car to the Alderman's City Hall office with a list of what we need from their stash and if we don't get it we will take matters into our own hands. We should hold a BAKE SALE, come in and buy some cookies so your local police can buy some office supplies because Rahm has shorted them to buy Speed Cameras. Imagine if that were to buy ammo.
4/15/2012 12:51:00 AM
Look what is happening all around you? Not just here in Chicago, IL but all around the country. We are slowly degrading into a 3rd world type of country. This Spring when I traveled to New York/New Jersey area I couldn't believe all of the potholes and terrible shape their roads were, their bridges were and I talked to several police officers and they complained of the same issues we have.
In the "busy Day For Rahm thread"I read the following:
My condolences to the new recruits. If your smart get a few years under your belt, get through the probationary period and go somewhere else. Working in this Police Dept., sucks. The pay is substandard, etc etc......
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While the department is a mess in many ways, in compensation we are not. Money doesn't mean everything and there are cost of living issues to consider, but the numbers don't lie:
after 3.5 yrs:
Chicago: 71, 748 (not counting uniform or shift diff)
NYPD: 58,786 (counting uniform and shift diff)
LAPD: 53,160 (more depending on education)
Dallas PD: 53,179
Arlington TX: 60,183
We also have a better medical policy and more vacation and time off than any of the above.
The grass IS NOT always greener.
Signed: a realist
If someone is really that worried about hitting a target 7 yards away, then this job isn't for that person!!!!!!!!!
SUGGESTION:
Ranges from BULLET POINTS
"APPLY FOR $400,000 IN GRANTS . . . The National Shooting Sports Foundation invites public and private shooting facilities to apply for up to $400,000 in grants that can assist in developing strategies to put more target shooters on their firing lines. By providing this funding to qualifying ranges, NSSF's Range Partnership Grant Program will continue to help these local businesses remind firearms owners, particularly the millions who have purchased new firearms in recent years, to take advantage of the training and safety services they provide. This marks the fifth year for the NSSF range grant program. "
Suggest a local Gun Store range get that grant and use it to help retired officers get their HR218 Cards.
If I am reading this right, retirees with IROCC cards are more qualified then some active officers.
I'm in a southern state where in my pick up truck I can have ANY type rifle, shotgun and/or handgun; not to mention a kel light, blackjack and fiberglass night stick w/ a metal ball at the end. How many CPD squads are similarily equiped. Oh Yeah, they have contact cards!
1125r first night back and she is back on iod. Got to love what the department has come to. Do whatever you can so you don't have to go to work what a joke.
ISP no different; most ranges in bad shape with targets falling during quals and even use the same targets over and over, just paste them up.
How's it a safety issue? No one stopping you from getting to a range and practicing.
If anything, more of a liability, when you empty 15 rounds at someone and hit the innocent bystander.
I tried to find out when my offender flipped from running with the GD's to running with the BD's but I couldnt. Some bonehead revamped the gang affiliations when you run a persons arrest background on i-clear. what the hell
4/15/2012 12:17:00 AM
Why would you care?
You guys who treat this like it's archeology make me chuckle... They are savages... Lock them up if you want but don't act like you are solving the riddles of the universe
Anonymous said...
30 rounds a year at 3 yards is just fine.
Only every other law enforcement agency in the nation does more.
What could possibly go wrong ?
4/15/2012 04:19:00 AM
yep, the sheriff's department does 10 yards.
CAPTAIN BUBBLE HEAD FROM 007- Was brought in to IAD for questioning. A BIRDIE told me a big gambling beef coming down to p.o.'s. BUBBLE HEAD has been caught carrying certain coppers on the A&A sheets while they did not report to work. Who else has any other info on CAPTAIN BUBBLE HEAD 007????????????????
sounds like the same thing 1861 was doing puttin himself early on thwe A@A's so he could leave early. poor guy looks stressed these days. Oh and whoever is hiding the arrest book? cut it out please. your really pissing off the LT.
Gents, as we all know, despite the heroic efforts by some of our range guys like Teddy in Area 3, our firearms training is EMBARASSING!. For a perfect example of how deficent it is I direct you to www.socnet.com. Go to the law enorcement thread and click on the threads about double taps. Read some of the comments and then ask yourself if the training we receive is anywhere near as good as that given by some departments. Then ask yourself if you were sued by a person you shot, would you be as articulate and as knowlegable as some the Officers in that thread. The answer has to be no unless you have taken training outside the department or received training from the military.
So we cant shoot at area 3, or 4, or travel to the south side because its too far. What a waste
How did two recruits pass the state test, and get fired for failing the range?
Why aren't the feds getting on maccatrhy's reckless.leadership? This is the type of bs they need to deal with!
A couple months ago at a/2 the targets were stuck at 7yds & didnt turn. The worst part of the story isnt the crappy ranges, its that several people actually still somehow managed to fail miserably! And thats our backup!
Anonymous said...
"Ranges From BULLET POINTS:
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APPLY FOR $400,000 IN GRANTS . . . The National Shooting Sports Foundation invites public and private shooting facilities to apply for up to $400,000 in grants that can assist in developing strategies to put more target shooters on their firing lines. By providing this funding to qualifying ranges, NSSF's Range Partnership Grant Program will continue to help these local businesses remind firearms owners, particularly the millions who have purchased new firearms in recent years, to take advantage of the training and safety services they provide. This marks the fifth year for the NSSF range grant program.
Full Story | How to Apply"
Rahm might just apply for that money then funnel it to Vanecko Sports for ghetto basketball hoops. Shooting basketballs, that's shooting isn't?
4/15/2012 05:01:00 AM
Vanecko Sports!!! Hah!!! Talk about diversifying your portfolio!! That's hilarious!!!
OT.
ATTENTION: CPD Retirees.
Frank L. Strocchia, was born Aug. 14, 1933 and passed away April 5, 2012 in his home in Henderson, NV, surrounded by family after a long battle with cancer.
Mr. Strocchia was previously employed by the City of Chicago, working for the Chicago Park District during the Mayor Richard J. Daley administration and for 17 years as the Physical Fitness Coordinator for the Chicago Police Department.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?n=frank-l-strocchia&pid=157065789
This is total BS.
No money for critical training? No money to keep equipment working?
The average citizen should be screaming about this and demanding that the aldermen be cut in half to 25 to free up money for these real safety issues.
Chicago is a total joke. It has gone from being the region's leading economic center to the region's widening, decaying sink hole.
Any civic leaders reading this - instead of the slanted Crain's Business, should be up in arms with the city's lack of real direction.
Not a LEO, JAFO
Why complain, you passed didn't you?
Now how would this affect an officer who was forced to go on disability because he couldn't qualify "the old way" due to a specific illness?
Meaning, today all of the officers are being pushed through the range without having to officially and legally qualify according to past department standards "the old way", yet they are being marked as qualified in the system.
Could there be some legal ramifications against the department if this is all true?
Signed, someone in this scenario
So FUK UP! Hello Media FLOP
Do something Officers are NOT be Trained!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I qualified earlier in the year at area 2 under similar circumstances - stationary target at approximately 7 feet, target always faced you, targets were collected at the end without checking to see if someone actually passed
This is frightening to think that the Chgo PD administration is so thoroughly inept and corrupt that they would place the lives of citizens and tourists in harms way. This back door training of their emergency service workers threatens the entire country after all you do have two major airports in your jurisdiction.
Not true,
I was there Saturday for 'open practice'
They all worked fine
What else would you expect from the department ranges? Only a handful that have worked there were not complete tools.
Spend the money and go to a range for practice. Article 2 in Lombard is a decent one.
I'd have to imagine that the city will do away with yearly qualifications. Saves a lot of money. I mean if u have 5 plus years on the job and can't qualify, u really shouldn't be on the job
Anonymous said...
I tried to find out when my offender flipped from running with the GD's to running with the BD's but I couldnt. Some bonehead revamped the gang affiliations when you run a persons arrest background on i-clear. what the hell
4/15/2012 12:17:00 AM
Seriously?
About three years ago a proposal was submitted to Dept. Supt O'keefe. It outlined everything that the department needed to update their equipment. Equipment is antiquated and in disrepair due to lack of funding and oversight. Detailed report was submitted and should be retrieved through freedom of information act. Very eye opening
Academy Range Instructor say:
Untrue
Can't carry over fifteen days idiot
That's just as stupid as Sgt's coming on the air 19Pauln 20 stacked disturbance jobs pending just to get them off the board without actually going to the job. That's crazy, let alone dangerous.
My dad was an Officer for a small department in Montana.
Their duty rifles were Remington 700 bolt actions in 30-06. They qualified to 300 yards.
Their duty sidearms at the time were .357s (make of officers choice), most were capable (4/6) on a man sized target to 100 yards, with their sidearms.
It never ceases to amaze me, how low the training standards are these days. Granted, it doesn't make sense to equip every urban officer with higher caliber precision rifles and train them to 300, but I've never understood the pathetic standards departments maintain with sidearms.
If you aren't reliable on a non-moving head at 25 yards, you need work. Period, no excuses.
Chicago: 71, 748 (not counting uniform or shift diff)
NYPD: 58,786 (counting uniform and shift diff)
LAPD: 53,160 (more depending on education)
Dallas PD: 53,179
Arlington TX: 60,183
We also have a better medical policy and more vacation and time off than any of the above.
The grass IS NOT always greener.
Signed: a realist
im a realist those places aint chicago get some balls p***..
peddle your propaganda some where else...
You guys think you had it bad, when I went some shithead held the target and ran back and forth.
Now THAT is not right, at least your targets were still.
RIP BIlly!
Anonymous said...
Chicago: 71, 748 (not counting uniform or shift diff)
NYPD: 58,786 (counting uniform and shift diff)
LAPD: 53,160 (more depending on education)
Dallas PD: 53,179
Arlington TX: 60,183
We also have a better medical policy and more vacation and time off than any of the above.
The grass IS NOT always greener.
Signed: a realist
im a realist those places aint chicago get some balls p***..
peddle your propaganda some where else...
4/15/2012 09:44:00 PM
You are none other than one of Rahm Emanuel's trained disinformation specialists.
I will post the correct figures and according department salaries very shortly.
Too funny, NYPD and LAPD humiliate us in pay and benefits.
Nice job, the sheep aren't even that stupid though.
Catch the killer(S) of PO Jose Vazquez and we can talk.
It's only a matter of time.
1st 1st it's the paper, paper clips, glue, staples etc. then IT WILL BE the ammo. Trust me, it's going to happen.
4/15/2012 09:44:00 AM
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What do you mean 'it WILL be the ammo'? About three years ago, a bunch of people couldn't qualify because the Dept had zero ammo for qualifications. I was the second to last to get in at area three and the shortage lasted several weeks. People who came in behind us were turned away unless they brought in enough of their OWN ammo to qualify.
im a realist those places aint chicago get some balls p***..
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Right. New York and LA are real garden spots. All I'm saying is our pay isn't bad as far as being the police goes. Go back to your cubicle.
OT
Pos are to swipe in and out in 016! Started yesterday! Here it comes, get ready!
In the "busy Day For Rahm thread"I read the following:
My condolences to the new recruits. If your smart get a few years under your belt, get through the probationary period and go somewhere else. Working in this Police Dept., sucks. The pay is substandard, etc etc......
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While the department is a mess in many ways, in compensation we are not. Money doesn't mean everything and there are cost of living issues to consider, but the numbers don't lie:
after 3.5 yrs:
Chicago: 71, 748 (not counting uniform or shift diff)
NYPD: 58,786 (counting uniform and shift diff)
LAPD: 53,160 (more depending on education)
Dallas PD: 53,179
Arlington TX: 60,183
We also have a better medical policy and more vacation and time off than any of the above.
The grass IS NOT always greener.
Signed: a realist
4/15/2012 12:14:00 PM
I am not knocking CPD pay but do that same comparison at 10 and 20 years and throw in retirement age and percentages. It's a different picture then. CPD cannot compare with the pension benefits of NY nor the salaries. We are paid less and have less percentage of pension and have to work longer to get it. Just pointing that out as well.
The greatest percent of police involved shootings occur at a distance less than 21 feet. Hitting paper at 100 feet takes some skill but rarely are police shootings at that distance. Only the bad guy throwing one backwards over his head hits coppers at that distance.
Could some please give me some advise. I'm a PPO in a southside district. Without looking to be a snitch and ruining my career I would like to respectfully tell my field training officer that he is not a good police officer. In fact more like a dog. Saddly I know more than the officer does yet my career is in this officer's hands.
Any advice?
Ok first of all, don't listen to all of these people telling you that you know nothing and to stfu. All they've shown you is how immature and crabby so many people on this job are. They seem to forget that they were new once and actually wanted to learn at one point. Second, I too had to deal with a HORRIBLE fto when I was new 10 years ago. He used to make me pull over for hours everyday so he could sleep and would blow off every job possible. That being said, I had no choice but to ride it out. The whole watch knew he was a dog so they didn't judge me because of who I got stuck with. I certainly did learn how not to be the police from him. I also learnd that part of our job as p/os is to teach the new people how to do the job, whether we are fto's or not. So don't let all the crab asses on here make you feel worse about your situation. Just ride it out. This too shall pass, and chances are if this guy really is a dog, everyone already knows it.
4/15/2012 08:51:00 AM
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With, what, three days on the street, I think this ppo should really 'close mouth and open eyes'.
The entitlement generation needs to learn that it really ISN'T all about them.
For several weeks, I thought my FTO was in retirement mode. He had just voluntarily left a unit, with the thought he had something to share with a few recruits before he retired.
We were never the first car on the scene, he wouldn't let me drive and he was so low-key, he was almost invisible. Whenever I speculated on what we were going to find at the next call, he reminded me we would know when we got there and not before. He didn't strike me as a go-getter and I was disappointed.
I learned to write reports the right way, with calm and polite criticism from him. I learned all the shortcuts through the district, especially where to cross the railroad tracks. I learned about day off groups, shift change rotation, who to steer clear of (all were later indicted or fired), where the food was safe and what uniform items I really needed and didn't, and where to shop for them.
He was judging me. He was figuring out who I was and what I was and wasn't capable of. He was a very measured, thoughtful man, and he knew more about police work than you can imagine. I would have worked with him forever, by the time he filled out my last evaluation, but he was on to his next recruit, because that's why he left his nice, cushy unit.
You, brand new, squeaky ppo, have no clue how much you don't know yet. You may have aced the academy, but you need to learn how to do police work. And you will learn from your FTO. You will either learn what to do, or you'll learn what NOT to do.
And, soon enough, you'll be off the leash, free to find a partner of your own. Just out your effort into working hard at being the kind of police officer someone else will WANT to partner with.
Attn: 6:36:00 AM,
You are now a homicide detective, but don't worry they're not too difficult to solve. Just remember that the dead guy is usually the victim.
I am not knocking CPD pay but do that same comparison at 10 and 20 years and throw in retirement age and percentages. It's a different picture then. CPD cannot compare with the pension benefits of NY nor the salaries. We are paid less and have less percentage of pension and have to work longer to get it. Just pointing that out as well.
4/15/2012 10:37:00 PM
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And their pension is properly funded!
qualified earlier in the year at area 2 under similar circumstances - stationary target at approximately 7 feet, target always faced you, targets were collected at the end without checking to see if someone actually passed
4/15/2012 05:31:00 PM
yeah, same here. thought it was strange.
@ 10:40
The majority of police officers will never have to discharge their firearms in their careers, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't carry a sidearm, nor does the 'average distance' of DF encounters imply police should only be competent with their sidearms out to 20 feet.
Modern handguns and modern factory ammo is so consistent that hitting a man sized target at 100 *YARDS* is very do-able with a duty sidearm, once you get acquainted with shooting a pistol long distances.
In the age of terror, after attacks like Mumbai, being able to at least keep someones head down a good distance off with your sidearm a skill you might one day be damn thankful you had.
You only qualify ONCE IN THIS STATE FOR LIFE.
"Requalifying " is for "training" money.
If Chicago said you passed? YOU PASSED!
WHY DO THEY HAVE GO'S FULL OF BS THREATENING LANGUAGE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GET THEM SUES AND THE CITY "DeCertified" not the officer.
Remember when we could burn all the ammo(duty) and targets? Remember range officers who would fix your weapons and make you an expert MARKSMEN just by asking and saying thanks.
Now we can't wipe the shit city ammo off out weapons before trusting our lives and the lives of our brothers and sisters before the smoke(certified smokeless powder bs) cleared the room.
Not to mention the long term effects of the unnecessary toxic exposure to the range personal!!!
What happened to the "simulation training money from the Feds since 1986 and made mandatory in 1992?
They felt so bad they let US where cargo pants so they will say we took the money as we bleed into the sewer or become permanently disabled by the Medical Section guaranteed by Coventry Witch Doctors LLC!
How about that 7 year RETIRED NYPD PBPA MEMBER THAT GOT OFF 2 HEAD SHOTS ON THE RUN? How many rounds do YOU have that are LESS THAN A YEAR OLD?
LEARN FROM THE BEST AND F*#K ALL THE REST! Follow fools into oblivion or worse!
Here is some ancient history. Years back when the police academy was on O'Brien St. (1970) we went to Soldier Field under the stands to shoot. The city had a gun range there with no ventilation for the instructors or officers. They wound up suing the city because their lungs got pretty fucked up.
I am sure the Racoon would let us set up a nice outdoor range in his back yard. Hold my target for me Rahm.
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While the department is a mess in many ways, in compensation we are not. Money doesn't mean everything and there are cost of living issues to consider, but the numbers don't lie:
after 3.5 yrs:
Chicago: 71, 748 (not counting uniform or shift diff)
NYPD: 58,786 (counting uniform and shift diff)
LAPD: 53,160 (more depending on education)
Dallas PD: 53,179
Arlington TX: 60,183
We also have a better medical policy and more vacation and time off than any of the above.
The grass IS NOT always greener.
Signed: a realist
4/15/2012 12:14:00 PM
Dear Realist,
If you want to compare, at least compare max pay at the largest departments. Max pay in Chicago is not reached until 25 years, to have max pay count towards pension it is another 4 years. 29 and a day. New hires cannot retire until age 55. You never see a grey haired patrolman on NYPD.
Max pay is reached in NYPD after 5 years and is more than Chicago. Retirement is after 20 years, any age.
A patrolman who is not getting promoted generally leaves after 20 years on NYPD and goes somewhere else and has a life and second career.
But $7 million for a new sanctuary park in 020
Oh please.. All those child molesters in 020 will truley appreciate that park.
It's disappointing and alarming to see the condition of many officers sidearms. Many are bone dry or filthy from the previous years qualifications. Some but not as much have NO ROUND IN THE CHAMBER. Some duty holsters are held together with duct tape. Some insist on using a blackhawk serpa level 2 and pancake holsters for duty (incident in 011 with an XD 45 should have resolved that...), some people wouldn't have any clue how to SAFELY disassemble their sidearm OR their carbine. Defective range equipment is a problem but defective mindset is bad as well.
who's the idiot posting 3.5 year pay scales for cpd, lapd & nypd while shit-talking about how Chicago has it so good?
is that the best you can do, rahm-bot?
get the fuck away from the adult table child... grown men are discussing survival here.
fucking sad that a war against the Police is acceptable as a pretext right the fiscal ship... Or create a distractor that the fiscal ship ISN'T going to be righted and the Police are being made to take the blame.
the affiliates of Daley Inc. STILL ON THE TAXPAYER TEAT (CPS milk scandal etc.) and Flaming Tutu pretending transparency. (one of his familiars getting the multi-million rent-a-bike contract)
tutu is all about cultivating & lining up his big money people for his run for president.
His platform?
"I came to Chicago and whipped the ass of the muni employee unions to balance the budget."
nobody saying shit about the epic theft from the tax-payers centering around these contracts and other gifts to friends & associates of Rahm & Co. and Daley Inc.
I am not knocking CPD pay but do that same comparison at 10 and 20 years and throw in retirement age and percentages. It's a different picture then. CPD cannot compare with the pension benefits of NY nor the salaries. We are paid less and have less percentage of pension and have to work longer to get it. Just pointing that out as well.
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I didn't take it all the way out to retirement, and I probably should have. That's more important anyway I guess. One other thing about NY. Their pension fund is better funded than ours.
"a disinformation specialist?" that's funny.
Hey Mr Bullshit realist After 3 1/2 years otj we do make the most but you failed to mention what others make after 5 1/2 years . NYPD maxes out at 90.5k It takes us 25 years to get what they get in 5.5 years. Yes the grass is greener!
While the department is a mess in many ways, in compensation we are not. Money doesn't mean everything and there are cost of living issues to consider, but the numbers don't lie:
after 3.5 yrs:
Chicago: 71, 748 (not counting uniform or shift diff)
NYPD: 58,786 (counting uniform and shift diff)
LAPD: 53,160 (more depending on education)
Dallas PD: 53,179
Arlington TX: 60,183
We also have a better medical policy and more vacation and time off than any of the above.
The grass IS NOT always greener.
Signed: a realist
Yeah right..i ve been on over 20 yrs and my pay is 79 k so a p/o with 4 yrs on is only 8 k behind me.Stop smoking the weed 9.5
Notify the state that all of the weapons qualifications have been falsified. Then they can decertify the entire department.
New York city police make just over $90,000 after 5 years and have more vacation. 27 days after 5 years.
First of all, the mayors people have diverted lots of cash from public safety ( and notice, not one alderman has said anything )
Second, most of the good range guys are gone, just a few hold outs who took care of a lot of repairs themselves or called in favors.
Third, how about the boss who ruined a FREE multi-million dollar range at the airport ( oh Yeah, Rham promoted him too )
Fourth, where are the "community activists" in complaining about this?
US Attorney! How about the missing money? Oh Yeah, thats another joke
Could some please give me some advise. I'm a PPO in a southside district. Without looking to be a snitch and ruining my career I would like to respectfully tell my field training officer that he is not a good police officer. In fact more like a dog. Saddly I know more than the officer does yet my career is in this officer's hands.
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Think of yourself as an apprentice. Learn what you can and don't worry too much about the way things are.
I knew a copper who had a training officer who took him to a parking lot just about every night for a 2 or 3 hour nap. That seems unlikely these days.
Surviving until the training period is over is the name of the game. Just like getting thru the academy is the name of the game then.
In any case, you probably are not in a good position to judge him just yet. Ten years from now, you may feel a little different. It is just a job in the end. Getting yourself all worked up about it does not serve yourself well. It is not like you can do anything about it.
Every one new in every profession pretty much thinks they know more than the old timers who have been doing it for a long time. Sometimes it is even true.
Less time spent on the range means not listening to some house cat range guy's war stories!
The range at the academy is working and the B.S. about shooting at 3 yards is just that. The minimum distance is 7 yards, so it just doesn't make sense. A quick call to the range could confirm or refute such a claim S.C.C. Why post such nonsense before making a quick call. The bike unit and Metro recruits were there on days today, and quals. are taking place as I type this.
A Guy Who Practices More Than You said...
My dad was an Officer for a small department in Montana.
Their duty rifles were Remington 700 bolt actions in 30-06. They qualified to 300 yards.
Their duty sidearms at the time were .357s (make of officers choice), most were capable (4/6) on a man sized target to 100 yards, with their sidearms.
It never ceases to amaze me, how low the training standards are these days. Granted, it doesn't make sense to equip every urban officer with higher caliber precision rifles and train them to 300, but I've never understood the pathetic standards departments maintain with sidearms.
If you aren't reliable on a non-moving head at 25 yards, you need work. Period, no excuses.
4/15/2012 09:39:00 PM
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Total bullshit; unless you mean feet; you are not qualifying w/ a revolver at 100yds, unless it was for bravo, but only fools would risk a shot at 100yds with a handgun, Wyatt Earp; been doing for a long time and standard has been center mass and head at 25, not just willy-nilly at 100.
Total bullshit; unless you mean feet;
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Not total bullshit.
It wasn't official qualification, but it was part of 'department culture' to be able to do it.
Shooting handguns to long distances is something urban officers believe is just totally impossible- BULLSHIT! even- but it's actually pretty common among people who live in wide open spaces and shoot handguns a lot.
I'd suggest reading up on Elmer Keith and the development of the .44 Magnum. Long distance pistol shooting is a thing unto itself and very much worth learning.
Before calling it "bullshit", Iud suggest hitting Google and having a look.
Total bullshit; unless you mean feet; you are not qualifying w/ a revolver at 100yds, unless it was for bravo, but only fools would risk a shot at 100yds with a handgun,
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I used to routinely hit 18" round plates at 100 yards with a 357 and 44 mag. Its a lot of fun and not real hard to learn to do. A lot harder with a 45 though. Too much bullet drop.
I don't know if cops ever qualify at those distances though. But I can speak to being able to hit a target at that distance with a handgun. Helps to have a 6" barrel. The longer sight radius makes it a lot easier than with a 4" barrel, at least for me.
You should find a place to try it some time and have some fun with it.
Not a cop.
Due to the threats posed by all the major airports, financial institutions etc in Chicago won't another large city or state come to your aid and give you the training you are all begging for?
air soft is the wave of the future, po's can buy their air soft guns and the department has to set up chargers
we're so fucked....but at least we have gorilla glue....
I shoot at the academy twice a week for the last month, the booths were working just fine for me..how long had it been since you last shot, the previous years' qualification I bet...yep, the range is fine, stirring trouble like so many bitter bloggers here do...
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