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All we're going to say is the term "accidental discharge" implies there was something wrong with the gun:
- Patrons at a South Shore nail salon hit the floor Thursday evening when a gun inside the purse of an off-duty Chicago police officer accidentally discharged inside the crowded salon, striking the officer in the leg.
The 22-year veteran officer was shot at about 7:20 p.m. in the right thigh while inside Tracy's Nails, 2138 E. 71st St.
Salon manager David Thai said the salon was very crowded and busy Thursday as people prepared for the Easter holiday weekend. The officer had just sat down to get her nails done at the time.
"She dropped the purse and the gun went off," said Thai.
Thank goodness no bystanders were injured. Get well soon officer.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
54 Comments:
Should have had her gun in a holster, not just in her hand bag....
"All we're going to say is the term "accidental discharge" implies there was something wrong with the gun."
And all I'm going to say is that I haven't had an 'accidental discharge' since, oh...high school if memory serves me corectly.
"The officer had just sat down to get her nails done at the time."
It's "did", SCC. As in 'the officer had just sat down to get her nails "did" at the time.'
"She dropped the purse and the gun went off," said Thai."
Thai lies. And I'll leave it at that..
Uh-huh, sure. Whatever.
Ladies, concealment purses with handgun pockets do exist, and there are quite a few more than there used to be:
http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterP2.asp?CatalogID=149
how about secure your weapon properly in a holster. there is no "accidental" discharge just negligent discharge. guns are machines. they dont go off by themselves.
And that's why the general order says your sidearm must be in a secure holster not a purse.
duh
The only thing I know about this story is what I just read here.
BUT, to quote Malarky/McCarthy, "I may be wrong", but... something tell me that this likely involves one of those mini-.380 semi-automatics everyone was so quick to buy up over the last couple of years.
Get well soon Officer and let coppers buy revolvers.
What? If its a DAO Pistol this shouldnt have happened. If its a revolver that was placed in the purse locked & cocked well then she learned a valuable lesson.
Thank God no one else was injured.
I have a question though. In my 21 years on the job, I never ever remember and not even when I was at the academy being told to carry your weapon in your purse !! its on your pancake holster or not in your possesion at all. so why was this officer carrying her weapon inside the purse???
Guns should be carried in a holster, not in a handbag with make-up and other nonsense.
Hmmmmmmm revolver ? Unholstered
This has nothing to do with the gun. The .380 is a great OD weapon. Not the greatest in caliber but better than pointing your finger at the offender. Plenty accurate at distances you would be getting into shit at OD. I agree the snubby is great OD/BU weapon, why hate on new technology?
This looks like a case of bad adherence to GOs and gun safety rules.
I'll save rant about Coppers getting their nails did for another day
If its not in a holster on a proper belt at your waist, you shouldn't be carrying it. Period. Eend of story. Assuming the facts are as stated, the officer was not in control of her weapon and she should take a hit for it. She's lucky.
Was that a tactical purse she had that weapon in? I'll bet she practiced drawing quickly from that purse on a regular basis.
Let's get serious here. Stop keeping unholstered weapons in purses or bags or ANYWHERE. Don't hang them on coat hooks or tuck them into your pants just waiting for the trigger to catch something.
Common fucking sense will keep you safe. How would you feel if your lack of firearms safety hurt or killed someone other than yourself?
It was a .38 revolver, not sure if it was cocked
trigger may have snagged on something when the purse was set down.
hopefully some people will learn from this incident.
Funny, that when I was in the military 'accidental' discharge of firearms was really frowned upon by the upper echelons. Quite often it resulted in you losing one or more stripes over it.
This officer should have known better and her supervisor should be holding her to task over this incident.
Forget The Comedy Comments. Does Anyone "Qualified" Know if it is Safe To Carry The Ruger LCP 380 Or The Kahr 380 Pistols? One in the chamber? What if they are dropped ?
A 22 year veteran officer should no better.....
Locked and cocked? Who is carrying around Colt 1911 pistols? An accident means the gun went off by accident. Guns go off when the trigger is pulled, by a person or some other means. They dont just go off when they feel like it.
Another reason I'm glad I bite my nails MOM.
Stupid, idiotic, dumb, careless, unsafe and slow are all adjectives. Get well officer. Hope you aren't on medical too long and then have to retire suddenly.
If its a revolver that was placed in the purse locked & cocked well then she learned a valuable lesson.
4/07/2012 05:02:00 AM
there's a revolver that can be 'locked' when cocked?
i did not know that.
In a nail shop on 71st st., your weapon should be holstered and on your hip. Yes I know female officers don't always wear jeans but in that setting and location, maybe. Just food for thought.
Yes, guns do go off accidentally all the time. Just visit the recall history of most gun manufacturers and one will see that some batches of some models have been known to fire when dropped. alWays check for recall notices on your firearms and ensure by visual inspection and physical manipulation (shooting it) that it is functioning as designed. Guns may be machines, but they are not all equal!
This may be a case for "Mythbusters"!
Would be nice to know the real story if only for a learning and training experience The weapon should not go off just by placing it on the counter or floor, did she have it in a holster at the time? was something in her purse say a pen in between the trigger and the trigger guard and when she dropped it did that cause the discharge. What type and what brand of a weapon was it in cause there was a mechanical error. Would be nice to find out
My guess with her being on 22 years she did not have a 380 mini semi automatic. My guess if that weapon has been in her purse for a long time
Not trying to be critical but these questions should be answered to avoid a repeat performance
Where does the general order say your gun can't be in your purse?
Me thinks there is some B.S. Here
"I may be wrong", but... something tell me that this likely involves one of those mini-.380 semi-automatics everyone was so quick to buy up over the last couple of years
Thought I was the only one who didn't understand the big deal about running out, purchasing that .380. My S&W 9mm serves perfectly as my off duty weapon.
To Anonymous Post Of 4/07/2012 05:0200 AM. What are you talking about ? A revolver locked and cocked ?
The term cocked and locked comes from the 1911 style single action only automatics. The user would place one in the chamber, the hammer would be cocked, and the safety would be in the locked mode. This would lock the hammer back, preventing it from discharge. The term locked and cocked does not apply to revolvers.
How fast can you access your gun when it's inside of a purse. Have you ever seen women trying to look for something in their purse? It's like sticking your hand into an abyss.
All modern handguns are drop proof. This gun did not go off because it was in a purse that was dropped. Sounds more like the gun was loose in her purse full of god knows what else and she pulled the bang switch while looking for something, even that sounds fishy. The pull on a revolver or tiny 380'S like the ruger lcp are pretty stout.
If it was the ruger lcp 380 there was a poster hung up in the range specifically adressing a problem with them going off if dropped. The problem has been fixed in newer lcps. You have to check the serial number to see if it has been recalled
A Ruger or Kahr .380 is a double-action ONLY pistol and CANNOT fire when dropped. The trigger must be pulled. NO EXCEPTIONS.
1911 also has a dead man safety on the spring housing. I doubt it would happen with a 1911.
"To Anonymous Post Of 4/07/2012 05:0200 AM. What are you talking about ? A revolver locked and cocked ?
The term cocked and locked comes from the 1911 style single action only automatics. The user would place one in the chamber, the hammer would be cocked, and the safety would be in the locked mode. This would lock the hammer back, preventing it from discharge. The term locked and cocked does not apply to revolvers.
4/07/2012 04:43:00 PM"
Clarification For the anal retentive gun nuts,
In a single-action revolver, the hammer is manually cocked, usually with the thumb of the firing or supporting hand. This action advances the cylinder to the next round and locks the cylinder in place with the chamber aligned with the barrel.
gucci makes holsters? i heard a loud noise and felt pain.
In a nail shop on 71st St, your gun should be cocked and at eye level.
She has 22 years on so she can have a single/double action firearm. Lots of old school revolvers r single action and will cock
Y'all were quick to pass judgement. Monday morning quarterbacking is in full effect.
I believe ruger has a recall on early 380lcp models because they did sometimes discharge when dropped. People lets be aware of recall notices on the firearms we possess.
"Clarification For the anal retentive gun nuts"
--4/08/2012 12:44:00 AM
You get real far by insulting your audience -- then providing them with irrelevancies and half-truths.
"In a single-action revolver, the hammer is manually cocked, usually with the thumb of the firing or supporting hand. This action advances the cylinder to the next round and locks the cylinder in place with the chamber aligned with the barrel."
A. Yes, and the cylinder of a double-action revolver locks in place the same way.
Duh.
B. Nobody but an insane person would be carrying a cocked revolver, either single- or double-action.
C. No police officer has carried a single-action revolver for probably a century.
D. A REVOLVER HAS NO SAFETY CATCH, with the minor exception of some snub-nosed, double-action-only "hammerless" models that have grip safeties, if I recall correctly.
The slang term "cocked and locked" has ALWAYS applied ONLY to single-action semi-automatic pistols. It means "round in the chamber, hammer cocked, safety on."
Period.
BTW -- for reference -- the amateur practice of chambering a round in an external-hammer SA auto pistol, then lowering the hammer by pulling the trigger while slowly lowering the hammer with the thumb, then leaving the safety off, is EXTREMELY dangerous and should never be engaged in. The weapon was not designed for that.
Stay safe.
Remember the one we just had, kid got shot in the ankle or something "while jumping up and down on a bed that had a gun kept between the mattress and box spring."
Hmmmmmmmmm...
In a nail shop on 71st St, your gun should be cocked and at eye level.
4/08/2012 06:01:00 AM
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SO true.
"Patrons at a South Shore nail salon hit the floor Thursday evening when a gun inside the purse of an off-duty Chicago police officer accidentally discharged..."
On the North Shore, they'd be looking around quizzically, laughing nervously, going to the front window to peer out...
Tells you something.
4/07/2012 04:43:00 PM
So, my revolver isn't cocked if I cock the hammer? Moron. Learn what the fuck you are talking about. My 92FS that I carry isn't either if I lock it to the rear huh?
My money is on a semi-auto with no external safety . You know like a GLOCK etc.etc..
is it IOD or medical--- that depends on how much juice she has and how the paper was written--- it could become an issue if she ends up disabled from the gunshot wound to the leg....
I think it would be very helpful to know, what really happened. For one reason. We need to know if there was a problem with a firearm, we are authorize to carry.
BTW -- for reference -- the amateur practice of chambering a round in an external-hammer SA auto pistol, then lowering the hammer by pulling the trigger while slowly lowering the hammer with the thumb, then leaving the safety off, is EXTREMELY dangerous and should never be engaged in. The weapon was not designed for that.
Stay safe.
4/08/2012 12:30:00 PM
1911 style pistols of the Colt Series 80 type and those with the Shwartz style firing pin block are perfectly safe in Condition 2.
Even a Series 70 style 1911 has a spring on the firing pin to prevent inertia unless cocked and fired and a safety sear notch on the hammer.
JMB
"The term "cocked and locked" comes from the 1911 style single action only automatics. The user would place one in the chamber, the hammer would be cocked, and the safety would be in the locked mode. This would lock the hammer back, preventing it from discharge. The term "cocked and locked" does not apply to revolvers."
--4/07/2012 04:43:00 PM
"So, my revolver isn't cocked if I cock the hammer? Moron. Learn what the fuck you are talking about. My 92FS that I carry isn't either if I lock it to the rear huh?"
--4/08/2012 01:34:00 PM
The person -- who is correct -- didn't say either of those things.
My surmise -- perhaps a small, older single-action auto pistol, perhaps striker-fired.
A. Some of these were not of the best quality or design, and, if carried with a round in the chamber, the sear could be jarred out of the notch by a jolt -- but more of a hard jolt, like dropping a couple-three feet onto a hard surface.
B. Most likely -- the same gun with a round chambered and the safety OFF. Again, some of these things have a mushy safety with no stiff, positive detents, and it's easy to wipe that safety to "off" without realizing it.
Then, it would just be a matter of something in the purse getting into the trigger guard -- or a finger depressing the trigger, probably while the person was rummaging for something in there.
A pocket or purse full of other loose objects is not a good spot to carry; if it must be used, make sure nothing is in there but the gun. I have seen a coin get up behind the hammer of a S&W Mod. 49. Would make it kind of hard to fire the weapon...
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