CFD Contract Fight
Hopefully, the FOP is taking notes, because we're going to get attacked the exact same way and we'll probably be able to blunt some of these attacks by expressing and maintaining solidarity with the firefighters:
Chicago firefighters “do a great job,” but they’re not “immune from the change and reform” needed to solve the city’s financial crisis and deliver “greater value” to taxpayers, Mayor Rahm Emanuel said Wednesday.
Tom Ryan, president of Chicago Firefighters Union Local 2, has characterized the cost-cutting contract concessions the mayor is seeking from firefighters when their contract expires June 30 as “horrendous,” “insulting” and “ridiculous.”
Emanuel refused to respond in kind, nor would he discuss specifics of his proposal to target perks that, one union leader claimed, add $7,000 to the average firefighter’s annual paycheck.
A $7,000 pay cut? We don't know about anyone else, but that would put a severe hurt on our ability to maintain a household in Chicago. Unless we moved to Englewood.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
113 Comments:
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
True SCC unless we moved to englewood which is not likely! Lets hope Mike and the crew are ready for a battle, Mike let us the working street coppers know what we need to do brother we are all in this together! Maybe you Mike need to talk with head of Firefighters union,hell even the teachers and city laborers unions why not? UNITE NOW!
Stop protecting Emmanuel's home. He is a citizen and let him get his own security.
He treats us like shit, so let his family have the same access to police services like any other citizen, including police officers; let them dial 911.
I am not advocating this, or even remotely implying it, (since it is wrong and illegal) but just suppose if the police did strike, who would arrest them for their illegal job action? Usually it would be the white shirts, but I could picture the sgts and lts joining the blue shirts, BECAUSE they will be fisted like the blue shirts. I know not everyone would do strike, but I am guessing that if something like that were to happen - which I do not advocate - I don't even think the white shirts could man enough cars to answer calls.
Again, I am just posing philosophical questions here, because I would NEVER want to see anything like that happen, because I would NEVER want to make it seem like I am in favor of that. Nope, not in the least bit would I want to make it seem anything like that all. ;^)
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Why should we honor the contract? Apparently it’s a worthless document. Screw overtime pay, out of grade pay, day off, time due, trade off days. The list goes on. Since tiny dancer feels the contract is not worthy of following, then why should we. Move out of the city, move to a more affordable place. I know many of you will say, sure, like where? I can move to Elgin, send my kids to better schools, nicer roads, shopping centers, more land for the money, bigger house. The list goes on. And that’s just a drop in the bucket. The money I would save on my kid’s education, piece of mind in a better environment would be a major budget improvement. So the commute you might say is a bitch, I say I’ll drive in every day, have my coffee or two, listen to the radio and have some quality me time. It takes me 55 minutes just to drive to work now. No strike clause. What’s that? It’s in the contract? What contract? Since when does the city follow contract rules? Strike, picket, and use the media to express our right to free speech. The list goes on. I’m so tired of this pussy shit. Our union has no balls. Were going to go to arbitration and we are going to get fucked. AGAIN. No confidence in the union for starters. What’s the city going to do? Fire all police officers. Yea right!! You think the gang bangers are having a field day now? Wait till they see police doing nothing. WE are running this show. WE are in charge! WE need to band together and challenge this nonsense. I say nonsense because I can’t find the right word for the horrific bashing and throat cutting our mayor wants to administer. Pension reform is moving along the way they want it. Quinn and Madigan just stuffed over 300 pages of new legislation down out throats over night and we have no recourse. State employees are going to feel the hit first. Increased pension contributions, more years added to the abyss of retirement, Retirees will soon get a letter informing them, hey by the way, your going to have to pay your own health care from here after years of fixed income budgeting. It not going to end. But the politicians will get their fat checks with increases. What’s it going to take people.!!!! DAM IM PISSED. Gotta stop, My fingers hurt snf I need a beer!
looks like another long hot summer and labor impasse--- here comes arbitration again--- maybe this thing will get figured out in about 3 or 4 years from now--- we will not give an inch to rahmbo....
And any money the Evil One will save on fucking us will just be pissed away on worthless rat hole projects. The same projects this ungrateful asshole can put his name on. Like handing taxpayer dollars to give to Cease Fire to pay fucking Gangsters not to shoot and kill one another. What a fucking insult to Firemen and women. These folks without a doubt risk their very lives going into burning buildings to save lives. Also our great paramedics who have to put up with being attacked by crazed animals even when they come to save lives. And some of the bastards even steal their ambulances.
There is one important thing the police can do to cripple this Racoon mother fucker. CUT HIS REVENUE STREAM! STOP WRITING TICKETS! Movers, parkers, ANOV's, impounding vehicles. These bastards can't make any officer write a ticket. Our Fuckhead mayor needs that cash to keep this town from completely going under. We have power too ASSHOLE!
When the CFD gets half of the things back that the city knew that they couldn't get away with anyway the rank and file can walk away feeling like they won something when in fact they loss. That's how the game is played.
Watch how it's played out. The city will play victim and blame CFD claiming they're not willing to negotiate. Then, Oh look at all the things we gave you back. Now it's your turn. Give us something.
MIAMI CANNIBAL EYEWITNESS: "He Was Like A Zombie!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnYX3uRKRyM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
and along those lines, how few police have probably sent emails or made calls to the lawmakers to protest the pension reforms. Easier to just whine on SCC after the laws are passed.
Read the comments at the end of the suntimes article if you have any doubt that we stand alone and if we dont stand together, very strong and very soon, we wont have anything to stand for at all....
I can tell you, I can't take a $7,000 pay cut. I'm barely making it as it is. I'd have to practically work another full time job or just give up my fucking house. I'm thinking they can have my house, and all my creditors can go to hell too. I think I'll just file for bankruptcy and start over. Maybe divorce my wife too so she can go on welfare like everyone else. We all try to do the right things and we just keep getting crapped on.
If we filled all the fire trucks with gasoline, how long would it take to get a contract?
Lets all move to Englewood and move all the shit to all the "taxpayers" neighborhoods.
My unit rep told me that our union did screw up and not send the letter in time so that we could begin negotiating. If our union got it into the press that the city refuses to negotiate with us because of a clerical error, don't you think some of the love the citizens are feeling for us now would backlash on the mayor.
If someone at the FOP were in charge of taking notes,
Who Would That BE?
No, really, let's speculate:
Shields: "I'm President"
Dougherty: "I just want to get reelected so that I have time to find a location for the bar I want to open with my girlfriend."
Gorman: "Did Mike say it's OK?"
DiMaria ?
No, really, who would be taking any such notes?
By reporting the cuts as cutting "perks" was misleading. This is what we have to deal with though. The public has no inclination to research the facts. It's easier for most to be told what things are, even if it's false information. I sure wish the CFD would not have been so quick to adopt the wellness plan. Unless they really felt it a good benefit adjustment, it did nothing to improve their negotiating position. It's a shame that former Mayor Daley sold a multi-million dollar revenue asset (parking meters) that funded the CPD completely. Now that the burden of our budget has been forced onto the city budget, we are forced to pay for the deal. How is the man getting a job at the same firm immediately after retirement not illegal? It surely appears unethical. It's useless to say good luck to any city worker. We are officially the enemy.
The funny thing is that even after they strip our pay, which will result in even less pension funding, the citizens of Chicago will still have increased taxes and fees. It will just be blamed on something else. How is reducing pay and freezing hiring helping the pension funds? Less money going in only starves it further.
Why should we honor the contract? Apparently it’s a worthless document. Screw overtime pay, out of grade pay, day off, time due, trade off days. The list goes on. Since tiny dancer feels the contract is not worthy of following, then why should we. Move out of the city, move to a more affordable place. I know many of you will say, sure, like where? I can move to Elgin, send my kids to better schools, nicer roads, shopping centers, more land for the money, bigger house. The list goes on. And that’s just a drop in the bucket. The money I would save on my kid’s education, piece of mind in a better environment would be a major budget improvement. So the commute you might say is a bitch, I say I’ll drive in every day, have my coffee or two, listen to the radio and have some quality me time. It takes me 55 minutes just to drive to work now. No strike clause. What’s that? It’s in the contract? What contract? Since when does the city follow contract rules? Strike, picket, and use the media to express our right to free speech. The list goes on. I’m so tired of this pussy shit. Our union has no balls. Were going to go to arbitration and we are going to get fucked. AGAIN. No confidence in the union for starters. What’s the city going to do? Fire all police officers. Yea right!! You think the gang bangers are having a field day now? Wait till they see police doing nothing. WE are running this show. WE are in charge! WE need to band together and challenge this nonsense. I say nonsense because I can’t find the right word for the horrific bashing and throat cutting our mayor wants to administer. Pension reform is moving along the way they want it. Quinn and Madigan just stuffed over 300 pages of new legislation down out throats over night and we have no recourse. State employees are going to feel the hit first. Increased pension contributions, more years added to the abyss of retirement, Retirees will soon get a letter informing them, hey by the way, your going to have to pay your own health care from here after years of fixed income budgeting. It not going to end. But the politicians will get their fat checks with increases. What’s it going to take people.!!!! DAM IM PISSED. Gotta stop, My fingers hurt snf I need a beer!
5/31/2012 12:34:00 AM
I would love to band together and show the Mayor how bad it really can get. I am really getting sick of how he is treating us. If the Mayor can ignore our contract, I think we should too. Why not strike? What are they going to do, seriously? Fire thousands of Officers? Highly unlikely. And not just us strike, but all city workers.
If we all can come together and fight for our city like we did during NATO. I think we can come together for each other. At least I hope we do.
as a firefighter i think our union needs to join the cpd the next time you march to city hall,and yes i have asked our prez to do this.
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
Here we fucking go with the residency nitwits.
So you would take a $7,000 pay cut and then move to a suburb of your choice where it would cost you, minimally, an extra $7,000 a year to live.
Me smart. Me also want retro check. Me thinks nothing more important than retro check.
The robber barrons are about to steal hard earned pension benefits. Call your legislators.
I'll take that cut right after they reduce Rahm's bodyguard detail at his house. Some 8 guys per watch. Then cut the city coumcil in half. Then cut Rahm's, the supe's and the fire commissioner's salary by 10%. Then all the alderman by 20% since they have only a part time job and earn about as much as a CPD Lt. THEN I'll think about accepting "reforms".
Might want to reconsider that move to Elgin. Schools are terrible and property taxes are higher than in Chicago. Downtown area largely abandoned.
Anonymous said...
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
Really?? You must be an exempt rank or something because where in the chicagoland area could you go and live with taking a 7000 dollar paycut and not have to sweat it. Have you looked at property taxes outside the city? Please do tell.
well
as usual when management talk about making things more Effiecent
they are never talking about them selves
haveing you learn emt so they dont have to hire
then take a paycut after doing more
for less
(management does the opposite
Do less for even more)
cut crews and then wonder why isnt this getting done?
thoug you schedule different than
police
you still have to account for time
police can work a straight 8-12 shift and change
on he other hand once your on a job you have to pretty much stay till it's over
like the guys rowing the boat and dumping rowers
can you tell me how this cost cutting works better again?
till there is only one left
Anonymous said...
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
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The Mexican says;
You'd accept that because you're a fool.
What I would accept is for residency to be lifted and a 7k RAISE!!
RE: Cut the Revenue Stream.
Go the other direction- write EVERYBODY. This includes ALL the newspaper trucks--you know, the same papers that slam US everyday.
The same ones that drive on the wrong side of the street,disobey every traffic law there is.
Ever see anyone in a paper truck wear a seatbelt? Can't drive with the door open, the list goes on and on.
When EVERY person in Chicago starts beefing to the mayor,things happen.
Always cutting our pay and pension benefits when are these politico's going to start cutting there gravy train of benefits and outrageous pension pay!!!!!! ask them to give up there perks and here them cry!!! not once have you heard rahm, madigan or quinn talk about there pension or reforming it !!!
Amazing how the Chicago aldercreatures are getting their annual pay raises. All of them making over $100,000 plus their normal jobs that most of them have and yet 9.5 wants the real workers of this city to take a pay cut "because times are tough".
This goes out to all the hair jells. Maybe when they cut your pay by ten percent will you finally learn to stop making money for the city. This goes outta the traffic nazis as well, keep impounding cars and doing your Parker's ,movers as well. Wake the fuck up and stop for a minute.
residency? fop? anyone?
I will give 1/3rd of my net check to any needy teacher that loses their pay in a strike. It will be a hit but well worth it. Support the teachers, firemen, and yourself!
Enough about the residency. Seriously, where are you going to go? Houses everywhere are under water. We all knew when we took this job we were required to live in Chicago so deal with it.
CFD needs to respond with a request for 5% annual raise, regular testing, no merit promotions, equal physical agility requirements for men and women, lift residency, free water bills and city stickers for first responders, property tax freeze/credit for first responders, enhanced tuition reimbursement, 80% max out in retirement, and so on.
Why don't we start fighting this damn residency issue. Then and only then will this mayor realize that we really are sacred cows! The amount of money we bring this city just by being residence is extreme. If I didn't have to live in this shitty I would not have to pay more than 20K a year in private school tuitions!
Why should we honor the contract? Apparently it’s a worthless document
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Like any contract, if one side is not abiding by the language of the contract and the other side wishes to challenge it, there is an enforcement mechanism available. it may take some time to work itself out, but it is enforceable.
I would point out that the city has a whole bunch of attorneys and other fairly bright people on staff that no doubt have reviewed the actions the city has taken to determine whether the actions taken violate the contract or not.
the history of CPD contracts has shown that they are full of vague sounding clauses that seem quite innocent, but give the city a great deal of unilateral power and autonomy of action.
the city has a long history of using this vague language to its advantage. you would think the average cop would have figured this out by now, but they continue to vote in people to represent them who have no expertise in contract negotiation or labor contract law and who refuse to spend the money to hire actual experts to do so. it is a very one sided battle when one side is totally clueless and just does not or refuses to realize it.
Things for 012 midnights are really bad. I am not in it, thank god! They got a really bad Lt. She is a total moral killer and yet wants officers to bring activity, makes threats openly if they don't. Not only that, she has tried to recruit officers of that watch to be snitches and get crs against other officers. What she needs to remember is that IPRA/IAD can always go back to open an investigation to that traffic crash in which she was taken care of, which would mean "rule 14" violation. Yeah there's a video out there of what took place and maybe IPRA/IAD should finally get a hold of it and go ask that LT some questions. Drag her Sgt friend down with her since both are horrible. Both represent the real meaning of why everyone hates women on this job. You would think that anyone who fought cancer would appreciate a second chance to life and not be this horrible person. I don't know what bothers more the fact that she is a liar or that she wants to mark an officer by making them snitch on other officers of his own watch to get crs for her benefit. She takes pride on how much time she gotten from officers on CRs. I hope that officer calls the FOP since he is being singled out and shouldn't have to be pushed to do anything. I hope he is smart enough not to do the CRs or snitch. Once he is marked she will never let him be in peace. I have no idea why Pontecore doesn't say anything to that crazy Lt. He needs to put her in check. Making threats to POs shouldn't be tolerated, it destroys morale. We got enough enemies out there to have more moles or enemies in the job. The funny reality is that in police work we got no quota and no one in that watch is doing things that merit a cr. Those officers are already in midnights. I guess if she could make them scrub the toilets, she so would.
The average dad or mom can't take a pay cut. Like the previous poster said stop writing tickets and that means everyone
Dont forget, the fireman gets thousands more than policeman for doing very little compared to us.
The "me too" clause in the contract hhas only benifited them.
My neighbor make 10-15000 more than I do, and works less hours than I do.
All CPD and CFD personnel must call their elected officials and voice their concerns.
Calling only take a a few minutes. OUR representatives need to hear from us and hear from us repeatedly.
Let them know how you feel about retaining the pension benefits you and I were promised. IF THEY DON'T HEAR FROM US, then they think we are not that interested in pension legislation.
Please call! It only take a couple of minutes to speak with your representatives' staff members.
STOP WRITING TICKETS of all kinds.........that goes for everyone..wake the hell up boys and girls...we are used to him messing with us...hell we are used to everyone messing with us...but now he is messing with our families.....do we allow this ? everytime you write a ticket you generate revenue for the city of chicago.....unless that ticket has court for you written on it some place do not write it.....
do what you as a police officer are obligated to do but thats all
STOP WRITING TICKETS
They are screwing with our FAMILIES NOW !!!!!!WAKE UP
Whoa, whoa... "perks"? This is all part of a wage and benefit package. Period. And those "perks" were given to us because the City refused to give us a wage increase because they would have had to make the associated pension payments.
Fuck Rahm and his mooching family.
Watch people come in everyday with dozens of parkers and then listen to them complain about their job. We are our own worst enemy, STOP clobbering an already over taxed, broken tax payer and play hardball with City Hall. Call out your coworkers!
Anonymous said...
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
Rahm, stop planting these asinine posts.
The non-union workers had to take 2 years of 24 unpaid furloughs and no colas. No one wants to give up money. I would fight hard. But the truth is...times have changed...the days of entitlement are over (unless alderman). Your FOP president is hurting you by stating in the news that you made the mayor look good so should get paid. The bottom line is that people get paid to do their jobs. You did yours and should eb paid, but don't let your FOP president sound like a whinny greedy guy who makes it sound like you'll stop doing your job if you don't get what you want. Most people are hurting and out of work, and don;t feel the pity they used to on union workers. You'll prevail...just be cautious.
A $7000 pay cut? Sounds like the furlough days that the rest of the City had to take for the previous 3 years...
If anyone has any ideas about how to organize, please post it. I don't know what the best thing we can do is, but I am willing to be a worker bee whatever it takes.
We are so apathetic it's ridiculous. Everybody better take a few minutes out of their day and get off their asses and get involved.
We need some guidance as to how to implement a strategic strike (not a literal strike).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Rahm is going to chew Shield's face off.
Anonymous said...
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
You say that, but most better suburbs pay more taxes. Plus they pay monthly water and garbage collection fees in addition to their taxes.
I have family in other states who pay a TON more taxes than I do in Chicago.
Check out the places you'd like to live and figure it out.
Not to mention if residency is lifted, your house in the cop/fireman/city workers will be worth shit, you'll be underwater and be left with no purchasing power.
If residency is lifted, this city will go to hell in a handbasket, just like Detroit.
Just give me what I deserve some of that OBAMA MONEY!
Rahm acts like the police and fire aren't taxpayers the way his bitch ass keeps talking about burdening the taxpayers. I didn't vote for his ass.
Watch what Tiny Dancer is doing with his other hand while trying to take $7,000 away from our salary...... OT SCC, but what kind of deals did Tiny Dancer make during the NATO Summit when ALL eyes were on the protesting? Hmmmm....
Emmanuel wants to SPEND billions on vidaducts, hundreds of millions on a new Malcom X College.
He wants police, fire and teachers to take pay cuts so he can fund this crap.
He hasn't asked any elected official to take a pay cut.
He has, what, a 60% approval rating.
It's the same old shit in this town. Twenty years of Daley and all his bullshit while the lemmings re-elected him year after year. Now we have this jag who can't seem to find a way to make this city solvents without screwing citizens (speed cameras) or their servants (pay cuts ).
Vote the jag out like his buddy Barrack.
OT Arbitrator Benn just reversed all of the firings and suspensions in the CFP inspectors. Two that resigned, were alowed to recind their resignations and all the suspensions were reduced
Anonymous said...
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
You are softer than puppy shit. Give up 7K per year. If you think that you would be better off with that scenario you hneed to get your head out of the sand. Once you factor in travel costs, wear and tear on the car, lost time and a host of other things you will be in the hole. Just another goofy idea.
So if the Fire Fighter's are "not immune to changes" Lets make changes and take away this stupid residency!!!! For all Fire, Police and Educational Employees for the schity.
That would make sense Rahm, since you want to take so much away and offer nothing in return, that would be the least you could do for the backbone of the city.
The residency clause is found in our Rules and Regulations. You would be fired, not for violating the contract, the Rules. I'm not a big fan of the way things have changed in the last 10 years, but they have changed in those once nice communities too.
Unfortunately, the days of company loyalty to the employee are long over in the private sector and this mentality is now spreading into the public sector. They are viewing public employement as a business which exists in a bad economy and must have cutbacks. This is happening all over this coutnry. The city of North las Vegas just announced that either the police take major cuts in pay and beneifts or 40% of them will be layed off. I recall the police layoffs of the late 70's on the east coast. They NYPD layed off substantial numbers. The deals the FOP made with the city in past contracts and appoved by the members now look silly. The city will seek to remove some of these benefits as reforms. Getting out of grade pay, duty availability pay, differential pay and uniform allowances might be a thing of the past, as well as the 1/2 hour for supervisors. Look for the reduction in gold braid pensions. They don't care and the attitude will be if you don't like it quit and find a job in the private sector that pays as well. There are thousands lined up for your jobs. Sad state of affairs.
Same old shit from the Evil One Inc. Throw everything he can at you and expect half of it back in concessions. The thing that irks everyone is the uncaring attitude of this wealthy corrupt self serving whore. He wants everything out of you..plus loyalty..and pisses all over you. Fuck him. He shall reap what he sows.
Anonymous said...
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
You say that, but most better suburbs pay more taxes. Plus they pay monthly water and garbage collection fees in addition to their taxes.
I have family in other states who pay a TON more taxes than I do in Chicago.
Check out the places you'd like to live and figure it out.
Not to mention if residency is lifted, your house in the cop/fireman/city workers will be worth shit, you'll be underwater and be left with no purchasing power.
If residency is lifted, this city will go to hell in a handbasket, just like Detroit.
5/31/2012 12:08:00 PM
First of all, you will be paying way more in property taxes very shortly in this city. They are going to raise everything. You'll be on par with the suburbs within 5-10 years but without the ability to send your kid to a public high school. Second, you already pay water/sewer fees which are increasing as we speak and will continue to increase for the next 4 years. It wouldn't surprise me if the city tacks on a garbage pick up fee as well. They have increased your city sticker cost to what? almost $100.00? In most suburbs $10.00 would be considered high for a vehicle sticker. Third, at this point lifting residency wouldn't affect anyone because everyone's house is already under water. We could just let them foreclose and move away. Who cares if the city turns into Detroit if we don't live here. I come to work every night in the ghetto anyway. At lease I wouldn't have to live in one too. I used to agree with you about residency and not wanting our housing prices to go to shit but they already are so I don't care anymore.
A $7000 pay cut? Sounds like the furlough days that the rest of the City had to take for the previous 3 years...
Doesn't sound the same to me. Furlough days means you were OFF without pay. A $7000 pay cut means your ass is still coming to work but not getting paid as much. See the difference?
Unfortunately, the days of company loyalty to the employee are long over in the private sector and this mentality is now spreading into the public sector. They are viewing public employement as a business which exists in a bad economy and must have cutbacks. This is happening all over this coutnry. The city of North las Vegas just announced that either the police take major cuts in pay and beneifts or 40% of them will be layed off. I recall the police layoffs of the late 70's on the east coast. They NYPD layed off substantial numbers. The deals the FOP made with the city in past contracts and appoved by the members now look silly. The city will seek to remove some of these benefits as reforms. Getting out of grade pay, duty availability pay, differential pay and uniform allowances might be a thing of the past, as well as the 1/2 hour for supervisors. Look for the reduction in gold braid pensions. They don't care and the attitude will be if you don't like it quit and find a job in the private sector that pays as well. There are thousands lined up for your jobs. Sad state of affairs.
5/31/2012 01:39:00 PM
I don't disagree with you but just remember the city will get what it pays for and deserve what it gets. It's one thing to have a disgruntled employee dropping your food on the floor at McDonald's and putting it back in the bag, it's another to have the people keeping order and holding the savages at bay that would destroy this entire city. If the police are so unnecessary and you can lay them off and replace them so easily, then I say cut all of their benefits, fire 3/4ths of them and pay the rest $10.00 per hour. How do you think that would end up working out for the citizens of this city? How many people do you think would be lining up then to take a job as the police? There's a reason that there are thousands of people lined up for our job. That reason is that it's a good job with good pay and benefits. Make it a shitty job, with shitty pay and no benefits and you'll have the same person responding to a burglary at your home that you had serving you your fries for lunch. Rahm better get his head out of his ass before he destroys the CPD and sinks Chicago right along with it. It would have been real interesting to see what would have happened to his house last week if he had 1/4th of the manpower in front of it and they consisted of $10.00 an hour disgruntled burger flippers and security guards. And before anyone jumps all over me for disrespecting those jobs, that is not my intent. I'm simply pointing out that those jobs require much less training and are much less difficult to perform properly and therefore they pay less and have less benefits. I know we have some officers that aren't even qualified to flip burgers but once again that's the city's fault and they're shitty cops. That doesn't reflect upon the department as a whole. Most police are educated, professional people that most of us appreciate responding to help us when we need it. I want the security guard checking receipts at Best Buy, not responding to save my life.
09;48>more power to him,crybaby!
If someone at the FOP were in charge of taking notes,
Who Would That BE?
What the F**K are you talking about? Please help us figure out your post is.
Dont forget, the fireman gets thousands more than policeman for doing very little compared to us.
The "me too" clause in the contract hhas only benifited them.
My neighbor make 10-15000 more than I do, and works less hours than I do.
5/31/2012 09:48:00 AM
Rahm Emanuel, please stop posting stuff like this to try to divide and conquer.
Police, fire, teachers... we are all going to unite against your rich, entitled, arrogant self.
your house is on fire, or you need the police?......call 911, ask for Rahm..
Hey SCC, can you help remind people about the big CPD football game this weekend? The CPD Enforcers will be playing their rivals, the CFD Blaze. Good football is being played on both sides of the ball, and the the CPD is undefeated heading into the game, but more importantly it's for a good cause as proceeds go to various charities (both police related and non-police related). This game we will feature Del Pearson as our honorary captain.
Date: Sunday, June 3rd
Time: 1300
Location: Brother Rice High School
101st and Pulaski
All these goofs say that if we lifted residency, we would be like Detroit. We're already like Detroit.
And ten thousand cops in a city of a few million doesn't mean shit. Most wouldn't move anyway and those that did would be a drop in the bucket.
Residency is the biggest slap in the face to city workers. Only a jackass or someone who thinks of themselves over the good of the many would support it.
Anonymous said...
Dont forget, the fireman gets thousands more than policeman for doing very little compared to us.
The "me too" clause in the contract hhas only benifited them.
My neighbor make 10-15000 more than I do, and works less hours than I do.
5/31/2012 09:48:00 AM
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Oh STFU you ignorant fuckin' asshole!
Whatever CFD got in their contract is FUCKING GOOD FOR THEM!! I fucking applaud them for being able to negotiate a contract that works out for them.
Obviously you're just a fucktard who thinks they deserve more than everyone else. Grow the fuck up dipshit!
The CFD should fight for everything they can just as WE should be doing, and we should BOTH be supporting each other against this cocksucker mayor who's trying to make police, fire a teaching the SHIT jobs they once were 50 years ago.
It's EVERYONE'S responsibility to fuck this shithead Emanuel in the ass until he learns what it means to fuck with the only employees that keep this city from collapsing under it's own feces.
Park ridge so I don't have to pay 20 grand a year to send my kids to Norte Dame I'll send them to main south boom
There is one important thing the police can do to cripple this Racoon mother fucker. CUT HIS REVENUE STREAM! STOP WRITING TICKETS! Movers, parkers, ANOV's, impounding vehicles. These bastards can't make any officer write a ticket. Our Fuckhead mayor needs that cash to keep this town from completely going under. We have power too ASSHOLE!
5/31/2012 12:47:00 AM
Nice theory.
But the Dogs that damn near trip over themselves to get to Street Cleaning and Rush Hour (and in 001/018 Meters) are not going to stop.
A Strike is Legal if the City is violating the Contract...because as such; the CBA isn't being honored by the people that you the Police Can arrest for every little petty shit thing they do wrong.
Start Pulling the Aldermen over for speeding in their cars. Ticket the shit out of the tow zones and hydrants in front of the ward offices. Oh Shit...Burnetts M Plate is in teh Crosswalk in front of his Office on Chicago?
FUCKING TICKET HIM.
Or stop whining that "Oh they ain't scared of us PO's"
Make them respect you.
Or Make them Fear the Blue Lights.
Or shut the fuck up.
/tiphat
Unit 499
Dont march on city haul. March on rahms house. Meet at Montrose Harbor. Free parking. Leave two dozen guys behind to watch the cars so a$$hole doesnt tow them. 24 pissed off cops and fireman could intimidate a tow truck driver. Mile and a half march to rahms house. Disarm and give wedgies to the bodyguard detail. Break a few windows. Bully the bully for a change.
But in the mean time Rahm has raised just about every cost of loving expense around us under forced residency. Taxes, water bills, city stickers and fees etc. etc. If we get no raise this contract that would mean we got 10% over 9 years! Way way under the cost of living increases we have experience over that time. They really know how to fuck over their 1st responders while at the same time tell us how great we are.
I just paid over $300.00 for 2 city stickers! Water Bill etc, etc. I can't afford a pay cut. He will not raise taxes to pay for pensions or our salary but he will make first responders pay more. I am a tax payer as well, I say all for one raise taxes then all the people can pay for their services not just the city workers. How much are the people in englewood paying for all the police there, 5 times the police as in my neighborhood for free.
Firemen have been benefiting off of our hard work because of that me too clause. Now it's their turn to do some tough negotiating and if they succeed maybe we can say me too now.
What you pay extra on taxes you more than make up for in schools. If you have 2-3 kids in a private high school you can easily save 20-40k and to spend an extra 2-4k a year in taxes it's well worth it. And guess what anyone who purchased anythihng in the last 10 years is most likely under water so you will be selling your home low and purchasing another home at a low price. You should also factor in what we have to pay in city stickers in this city and other ridiculous taxes.
Residency is a non negotiable issue as it is state law.
Either the law has to be repealed by the Illinos Legislature or some copper is going to have to move out of the City, get fired and file a law suit which would take years winding its way to the Supreme Court.
Unless raccoon eyes puts in moition to have lawmakers repeal it, it will never happen.
I do believe that the SCOTUS has sided with some petitioners that residency is unconstitutional.
5/31/2012 12:29:00 AM
Brother, we don't need to strike. We just need to answer our pdt and THAT IS IT! Plus patrol the streets and if you see something then take police action. ** But if you don't see something then don't take police action.**
My fellow brothers, the city does not want to honor our contract. We must continue to work hard though. Continue to generate income for the city by writing lots and lots of tickets. Make arrests and impound cars left and right. If we work hard then the city won't bother us.
Anonymous said...
True SCC unless we moved to englewood which is not likely! Lets hope Mike and the crew are ready for a battle, Mike let us the working street coppers know what we need to do brother we are all in this together! Maybe you Mike need to talk with head of Firefighters union,hell even the teachers and city laborers unions why not? UNITE NOW!
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Unite with the teachers? Naah, I dont think so. I'd rather shove hot pokers up my ass than associate with those police hating, liberal, vacations up the ass, straight democratic party voting bunch of handout promoting goup of useless idiots. Was that a run on sentence? I wouldn't know I went to a public school. Let our FOP do their job, maybe in coalition with the firemen but not those freeloaders. Check out how much they work and get paid what we do to clean up their mess on hot summer nights. Just sayin.
Why do I feel like I have to start bending down and spread them wide open!!
the people you put pressure on is the aldermen. he needs their vote when its time to vote on bills he wants to enact. if they dont listen to you, put one of our own up for election. the worst he can do is throw the "f" bomb at you. the man has the napleon complex. i could be wrong but i think he has elevated shoes. he is great at pointing the finger at anyone who dont do as he wants. its a political con to define us as greedy and hes the saviour. its the same ploy used by potus to get elected. once again i ask where is the pension money due to our fund, ask burke.
I see they have no problem finding millions to turn over to cease fire. They wont address the pensions, but they keep funding cease fire, and building flower pots.
nonymous said...
If anyone has any ideas about how to organize, please post it. I don't know what the best thing we can do is, but I am willing to be a worker bee whatever it takes.
We are so apathetic it's ridiculous. Everybody better take a few minutes out of their day and get off their asses and get involved.
We need some guidance as to how to implement a strategic strike (not a literal strike).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Rahm is going to chew Shield's face off.
5/31/2012 12:04:00 PM
This is something that local 2/fop/ctu should be figuring out right now!
The Mexican says;
You'd accept that because you're a fool.
What I would accept is for residency to be lifted and a 7k RAISE!!
5/31/2012 07:42:00 AM
AMEN to that mexican
a complete lifting of the residency clause won't happpen for the reasons stated above. It would be nice if after 20yrs on the job that you could get to move.
Yea lift residency...I have 3 kids in catholic high schools and would save $44,000.00 a year. Thats right-44,000.00! I would send my kids to Naperville schools. Residency makes all of us slaves. You people are fucking stupid.....you cant even project the savings you would have in the suburbs.
I don't give a shit about residency. I retire in a few months, I will move out then by God.
I am rapidly becoming a one issue policeman, pension. Nothing else matters. Best of luck to everyone but as you near retirement the pension will become all you care about also.
For the newer officers and those with 10 years or more till retirement, max out on deferred comp immediately. Drive a used car, dump the BMW and the expensive SUV, start sticking the max into your deferred comp account. Pay that first. Live cheaply. You and your family will be glad you did.
Ever see anyone in a paper truck wear a seatbelt? Can't drive with the door open, the list goes on and on.
When EVERY person in Chicago starts beefing to the mayor,things happen.
5/31/2012 07:44:00 AM
Thats brilliant.Bring in more revenue,even as they're planning to cut your salary/benefits/pension!!And EVERY person in Chicago will beef to the mayor and things will happen??Yeah,Rahm will start crying and give us all millions of dollars AND lift residency.I swear this department is filled with clueless dorks......
A MORON SAYS: the city has a long history of using this vague language to its advantage. you would think the average cop would have figured this out by now, but they continue to vote in people to represent them who have no expertise in contract negotiation or labor contract law and who refuse to spend the money to hire actual experts to do so. it is a very one sided battle when one side is totally clueless and just does not or refuses to realize it.
5/31/2012 09:08:00 AM
Seriously? GFY, loser. FOP has taken mores cases to arbitration and won them than any union in this city, by a fucking mile! FOP uses the best labor side firm around and is thetoughest for the City to deal with. Why do you think the City wantsto deal with Fire first.? They know the new FOP leadership will be toughest ever. Think about it.
Anyone who says they would rather live in this shitty city rather than being able to move to a desired suburb can only be described as a total idiot. Feel free to stay in this ghetto town but give me the ability to move. Residency must go!!!
The non-union workers had to take 2 years of 24 unpaid furloughs and no colas. No one wants to give up money. I would fight hard. But the truth is...times have changed...the days of entitlement are over (unless alderman).. Most people are hurting and out of work, and don;t feel the pity they used to on union workers.
Although i can appreciate the sacrifices you have made as one of the public employees that have had to make sacrifices, i would like to ask you how many of your fellow coworkers have made the ultimate sacrifice in the performance of their duties..? In the 17 years I have been on the job, 27 officers have been killed in the performance of there duties... Please tell me what other profession has made that type of sacrifice other than our Men and Women of the armed forces, and when you add the number of officers hurt, shot or maimed, those numbers skyrocket, so, with all due respect, the sacrifices we make go well beyond 2 weeks loss in pay..
To: 0932 AM
The midnight watch in 012 went to shit when Capt Carroll was moved to the 3rd District. That was over 2 years ago. 1st watch never recovered. We got Capt Hoot who was a one way street and made it clear that he did not want to be on midnights.
Lt. Debbie is a vindictive bitch. Get on her bad side and she will never forget it. Sgt M.A.B. is not to be trusted, she sits in that office with Lt. Debbie and plays games and trashes the other supervisors on all the watches.
Ask anyone who worked for Capt Carroll, it was so enjoyable to come to work. When Capt Carroll was the W/C and Sgt. O'Connor was the desk sergeant, everyone knew everything would be okay, with those two watching our backs.. at 2 in the morning you could come in to use the bathroom or kill a few minutes and Carroll and O'Connor would always take the time to talk to you as a person, as an equal. They did not badger you with how many curfews do you have? but would want to know "how's your family, what are your kids up to?" If you were a CUBS fans, be prepared to take a good natured trashing from them. They dished it out, but they could also take it and laugh with you, not at you.
Now everyone walks on eggshells when Lt. Debbie and Sgt. MAB are working. Don't dare joke with them as they can't take a joke.
012 midnights has been the walking dead for the past 2 yrs.
Hope your enjoying your retirement Capt Carroll...
If you stop writing tickets that means even bigger budget cuts idiots. Start writing more tickets.
Residency is a non negotiable issue as it is state law.
Either the law has to be repealed by the Illinos Legislature or some copper is going to have to move out of the City, get fired and file a law suit which would take years winding its way to the Supreme Court.
Unless raccoon eyes puts in moition to have lawmakers repeal it, it will never happen.
I do believe that the SCOTUS has sided with some petitioners that residency is unconstitutional.
5/31/2012 06:28:00 PM
That's kind of funny actually because if I'm not mistaken state law says that our pensions cannot be altered or diminished in any way yet all of our wonderful politicians are tripping over themselves to see to it that law gets changed. Seems to me that if our pensions can be "REFORMED" so can the residency rule.
If you stop writing tickets that means even bigger budget cuts idiots. Start writing more tickets.
5/31/2012 11:12:00 PM
Yeah because they're going to use that extra ticket revenue to shore up your pension fund and give you a nice juicy raise... maybe they'll even give you a Christmas bonus. Idiot.
Anonymous said...
If you stop writing tickets that means even bigger budget cuts idiots. Start writing more tickets.
5/31/2012 11:12:00 PM
You are a DUMBAAAAAASSSSSSS....
And A MUUUUUUUUUUSH...
Please have your mommy put another Pop Tart in the Toaster. Spongebob is about to start...
The union could always get the IG to investigate anytype of fraud the cpd and mayor have to offer. Somewhere someone knows something! If nothing else have the union ask the city to open the books and Let FOP lawyers review them before cuts and pension talks will even be listened to. CPS did this and won. Surprise surprise, the city appealied to drag it out and waste more money. CTU just brought in IG to investigate CPS misuse of 35 million. www.ctunet.com check it out. Mikey? Hello? Best offense is a good defense? Hello?
"If you stop writing tickets that means even bigger budget cuts idiots. Start writing more tickets."
You're an idiot if you believe that we'll get anything by writing more tickets. Rahm will use it for his projects.
Enough about residency, it isn't going to happen and the same person keeps bringing it up, get over it. Please transfer to another dept. already
The few crying about residency are the few too cheap to work and pay tuition like the rest of us. Get over it, its called a part time job.
Moron who mentioned park ridge, check out the taxes.
There's a commander who sent his kids to Main South, he was a Lt. at the time
Anonymous said...
Residency is a non negotiable issue as it is state law.
Either the law has to be repealed by the Illinos Legislature or some copper is going to have to move out of the City, get fired and file a law suit which would take years winding its way to the Supreme Court.
Unless raccoon eyes puts in moition to have lawmakers repeal it, it will never happen.
I do believe that the SCOTUS has sided with some petitioners that residency is unconstitutional.
5/31/2012 06:28:00
Really? I say bullshit it is not state law. Please quote the reference.
I find the comment " you might have the same people who served you fries for lunch now responding to your house for a burglary", right on. Don't we have that now?
Anonymous said...
Enough about the residency. Seriously, where are you going to go? Houses everywhere are under water. We all knew when we took this job we were required to live in Chicago so deal with it.
5/31/2012 08:44:00 AM
Ya, but just the thought of a residency requirement is wrong, just plain wrong, even if you do not want to move outside of the city.
Anonymous said...
Firemen have been benefiting off of our hard work because of that me too clause. Now it's their turn to do some tough negotiating and if they succeed maybe we can say me too now.
5/31/2012 06:12:00 PM
Maybe and maybe not. Firemen are allowed to work one of their days off and are paid at 24 hours time and one half. That accounts for a lot of cash by years end.
Anonymous said...
I'd take a $7000 cut for residency to be lifted.
5/31/2012 12:06:00 AM
Would you still take that $7000.00 a year cut to pay roughly $25,000.00+ a year in property taxes, amongst other things, living out in the Franfort area?
seems to me that residency has been upheld in the courts. If it was unconstutional somewhere in that country it would have been challenged and won Just saying
Please have your mommy put another Pop Tart in the Toaster. Spongebob is about to start...
6/01/2012 12:49:00 AM
Spongebob would be a great mayor...or superintendent!
I don't feel sorry for firemen at all. They have been getting paid more than us for years and doing half the work. I would love to get paid to "sit around and wait for the bell to ring". Wait for the bell, while you work out, wash your car, play bean bags, cook meals, watch tv, surf internet, and the best.. paid to sleep 8 hrs. Nice, huh. They get a uniform alowance, even though all their equipment and uniforms are supplied to them by their dept. and replaced as they wear out for free. Senior ambulance driver gets eqiv. to D2a just for being senior guy. I would sure like that driving in the beat car as the senior guy. Paramedic Lt. actually gets the equivelent of our captains pay D5, nice. Fireman get extra 5% pay for each certification they get, many getting 15% extra for three certifications. Nice. I'd like to get extra 15% pay for being, carbine, CIT, and taser qualified. WTF. They even get more than us for fitness test. Crybabys.. I dont feel sorry for you all. These are just some of the scam extra pay that I know of, i'm sure there is a lot more.
I find the comment " you might have the same people who served you fries for lunch now responding to your house for a burglary", right on. Don't we have that now?
6/01/2012 10:18:00 AM
Not when I show up to your house. At least you have a coin toss to get a decent officer. Cut all the benefits on this job and you can be assured you're going to get a burger flipper responding to your house.
Were is this guy getting the 25,000 a year in taxes from. There are plenty of areas in the burbs where you are paying less than 10,000 a year in taxes. Will county has amazing schools and there is plenty of places to leave out there and pay less than 12,000 a year in taxes and you are getting more land, more house and you are saving a minimum of 10,000 a year for schools if you have a highschool student.
The $7000 is on top of their regular pay-not cutting from it--read 6/01/2012 03:05:00 PM post it explains alot---why cant we get emt certified,and a 5% bump, when we are first on the scene and rendering aid? Uniform pay when they have the commissary to exchange old ones--boy did I take the wrong test.
Off the subject. What's this I hear about detectives handling details this summer instead of tact teams?
Is this Mcflurry's genious cockstat thinking?
Am a Chicago suburban copper.Am tired of constantly having to pull off duty Chicago PD and Cook Co.deputies coles out of the fire when you guys get in trouble on the river boat casino. Chicago and Cook Co. guys are always gettng drunk, then getting into fights, assaults, CDPs, with other patrons. Then when casino security comes, you guys act like your God, being disrespectful, verbally abusive, loud, disorderly. Then security calls us because the Gaming Board state troopers on the boats dont process arrests, we do. Soon as I walk in the security office and hear a loudmouth jerk yelling and insulting everyone, I know he's either from Chicago PD or Cook Co.S.O. Out come the FOP Active Member cards and police id.s. Hey, brother, can you help us out with a little professional courtesy? Sure, no problem. Then I have to kiss the security guards and casino managers behinds to get them not to press charges on you guys.Usually I have to apologize profusely to everyone and then escort you out to the parking lot. Then I have to argue with you not to drive your cars because your plastered. Many times I have given off duty Chicago cops rides to the nearest hotel to sleep it off or to a local restaurant for some food and coffee to help them sober up. Then I visit Chicago and have my own car (with FOP sticker on the windshield) towed outside Rainforest Cafe because I didnt see the 8"x11" "No Parking Tow Zone" sign that is hidden a block away so suburbanites can have their cars towed away by the city to produce revenue. None of Chicagos finest were around when I paid my extortion money at the auto pound to get my car back. I know you guys have a tough city to work in but showing a little common decency would be nice for a change.
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