General Order Folly Continues
This disaster of an order keeps getting worse the more we read it:
- Section VIII-J-2-EXCEPTION:
Bureau of Patrol members will not complete the automated Arrestee Debriefing Module when the arrestee is charged with any of the following: [...], Justifiable Homicide, [...]
Would someone like to point out that there is no such charge as "Justifiable Homicide," and the fact that a situation is "justifiable" means there is no basis for charging or holding a subject in any case? Oh wait, we just did.
Could anyone with a legal background school these New York morons in the Illinois Compiled Statutes before they put out some more drivel that is going to get coppers sued and the city paying out millions to assholes set on a lottery payday?
Maybe an actual fucking lawyer could read these things before McDumbass signs his name to it. Or has Legal Affairs been gutted like everything else in this Department?
Labels: dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
84 Comments:
At this point I'd be happy with Dana Starks back.
G.O. F.U-2012 states "kiss my ass"
Well I kinda disagree.. If your brought in by the Dics and held
For let's say 12 hrs and are found
To have acted properly by shooting an intruder or
Someone
Trying to
Rob
You
Etc an arrest report will be made. You will be charged with homicide but released without charging. Yes u are correct there is no charge for
Justifiable
Homicide
But
I'm sure this
Is
What mcdoofus
Means. But still a lawyer will tear this entire order apart in civil court
I have the background and title to comment on this one.
1. SCC, you are correct. It is not a charge.
2. I was going to give the legal analysis. But I decided not to do the job of the "experts."
This one along with the "Legitimacy..." order where written by knuckle daggers who are trying way to hard to appear educated. They have an I.Q. Of under 40. But I have to print these orders. Some people are incredibly stupid. That must be a requirement to teach at the academy or to put these orders together.
ot _coming our way soon
http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/51583/Knockout-Game-raising-alarms--s--good-Fed-s-say--racial
This is all by design SCC...
There are no longer any home grown exempt members equipped with knowledge of ILCS or the ability to promulgate department policy that is NOT in direct conflict with ILCS.
McLosthismind cannot abide anyone smarter than he is...
"Dat's why AHM SUPAH-intendent and YOU MOOKS heah in Chi-Cawgah ain't!"
Again... This guy is trying to get a lot of Coppers put in the jackpot.
He thinks like j-fled...
"You guys won't support me so i'll fuck your beloved CPD up."
Heh... Y.O.Y.O Patrolmen!
Someone get Fronczak on it…HE's got a brain I heard.
Be careful out there citizens, don't get Zimmermaned.
Maybe they should add suicide to that list: Bureau of Patrol members will not complete the automated Arrestee Debriefing Module when the arrestee is charged with any of the following: "Suicide".
Maybe they are seeing the future of Conceal Carry in Illinois? There's is a bill up for a vote in August in reference to CCW.
It's very scary to know that we have very dumb people writing orders and making policy. SAD!
The list of sergeants nominated from districts/units is complete. Who has it?????
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
"You will be charged with homicide but released without charging. Yes u are correct there is no charge for
Justifiable Homicide"
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There is also no charge for walking down the sidewalk, sitting on a bench or whistling while picking your nose.
What the hell moron writes this crap? Jesus H Christ please allow me to get to retirement without shooting anyone while associated in any way with this ship of fools.
Loevy & Loevy just had a very fun evening. Same with Flint Taylor, if only the same dunces were in charge of the Black Panther raid Flint taylor would have gotten a much larger payday.
Anonymous said...
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
I am going to get a bottle of gorilla glue and permanently affix my pistol in the holster. Like the visor of my riot helmet. I don't ever want to get in the way of anyone who might have had a hand in authoring this crap.
That's what happens when you have House Cats getting promoted in drove. They have no arrest experience and it shows.... Now, they are telling us how to proceed with arrests... Entire careers based on a mover, 5 parkers and a bus check.....
Those that can, do.... Those that can't, teach...
Suburban police officers can carry anywhere in the state, as can CPD, but can be restricted from entering certain establishments (ex: United Center) while carrying off-duty. If the suburban copper happens to be Auxiliary Police, he can only carry on-duty with his chief's permission. I had a problem getting into the House of Blues with my gun while off-duty. They can and did refuse entry even though I'm CPD. I can just about guarantee you that the back of every event ticket reads that you can't enter with a weapon.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
The same as they are for any sworn law enforcement nationwide. You can carry anywhere in US if your a sworn officer.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
By Federal Law, all LEO's are allowed to carry in ALL States. Retired as well, so long as they qulify each year.
Anonymous said...
It's very scary to know that we have very dumb people writing orders and making policy. SAD!
7/21/2012 02:58:00 AM
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the language they used is called "Storefront reverend
speak", it's by, and for the intellectually challenged.
Anonymous said...
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
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The same as the rule that applies to you anywhere in Illinois, or, thanks to the previous Congress, anywhere in the US, with some exceptions.
Anonymous said... OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
If you are a suburban police officer then you can carry anywhere you want, just the same we can carry in the burbs.
Tracy's shop doesn't use Legal Affairs, they have there own lawyer! That's how you get justifiable homicide
Police officers certified in illinois and in the state of illinois can carry anywhere in the state and u.s.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
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the same rule that applies everywhere else in the country among other things.
The misnamed federal law called LEOSA is the minimum standard.
It does not override whatever state and local restrictions there might be on carrying by LEOs in a publicly owned facility, or in private facilities as determined by the ownership of those facilities.
Unless the ownership of the place specifically prohibits it, it is probably OK.
Wasn't there a puff piece article in the Scum Times a year or so ago that the General. Orders were being rewritten by a retired Lt named Hickey?
Carry when and where you want. If they don't let you in, don't patronize them.
Look at the theatre. A perfect example of why I always carry and won't go in a place I can't. I will protect my family and any innocents around me. We will not be victims.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
At the border crossings into Chicago from the suburbs we have checkpoints in which you will stop, surrender your firearms and pick them up on the way out. So leave it at home or be prepared to check it.
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
Pathetic.. The surburban officer and chicago police officer can be limited to carry the weapon on the property.
That being said, if they don't want you to carry, don't give them your hard earned money.
That being said, the stadium was built with public money, so this is another example to a connected few getting a stadium built for them as they live high on the hog.
So does Mcjagoff want us do complete a debriefing module on the police officer who justifiably kills the pos gangbanger??
He's the police why would he not be able to carry. All police can carry nation wide for what the last 6 or 7 years.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
Dear troll,
You obviously are not a cop because if you were you would know about HR 218 and what it means. If you are a cop, then I'm disgusted by your lack of knowledge.Then again, I stand by my first statement. You are not a cop in any sense of the word.
dana ' s a rocket scientist compared to cpd's merit all the way 1st deputy dog/deer in headlights
I can't find the "shooting" charge either.
Can I debrief someone who was shooting a gun in the air, when I finally find the drop down menu for "shooting"? I used to call that reckless discharge.
But, what if he shoots someone in the face? Some people call that Attempt Murder, but I used to call it Agg Batt. Is it an Aggravated Shootin?
Anonymous said...
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
Any sworn "peace officer" in the State of Illinois can legally carry their firearm in Chicago. Not so for out-of-staters unless they are on-duty.
I've always believed in professional courtesy, myself.
dont make any arrest or contact cards or even talk to the street rats, why give some filthy scumsucking asa and asshole ligking judge the chance to do to you what they did to sgt. ed,
I don't believe there is any such charge as 'shooting' which also appears in that order
03:53 I hope you are not the real police and asked this question.
If you read that order in its entirety, one of his New York friends had to write it. It reads like no other order we have. The language is just all wrong. (and yes, we do have at least one order written in *almost* ebonics,(verified by the initials next to the task number on the bottom of the order) but yet this order is totally different.
Wouldn't the rules be the same for a suburban po carrying his weapon in Chicago the same as a Chicago po carrying a weapon in the suburbs
If you are a Chicago Police Officer and you have to ask what the rules are for an officer who is employed by a suburban police departmnet to cary his weapon in the city you should not be on the street. Same goes if you are a suburban officer. If you are an oficer you are an extremely dangerous idiot. You most likely have to ask you boss if you have to wear shoes to work.
Read between the lines, don't do ANYTHING TO DESTROY YOUR JOB, PENSION, FAMILY, FREEDOM! When i came on 28 years ago i looked at the "dog" coppers the do nothings as wtf! Now they were and are the smartest coppers on CPD ever, no stress, no cr numbers, 1st and 16th, can retire in peace! Answer your jobs and write paper, the animal has been doing criminal shit for many years as long as they do it NIBY! Not In My Backyard!
Legal Officers get a bump in pay grade. Sure hope they didn't sign off on this drivel
Or just DON'T arrest ANYONE!!!! I answer my calls and write out reports and that it! Bare minimum until this contract issue is over and Rambo leaves this city. FUCK IT!!!
Anonymous said...
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
7/21/2012 03:53:00 AM
I can't comment on the United Center as every private venue has it's own rules. Most concert venues do not want you to bring a gun in. Some will tell you to take it to your car, some used to lock it in a safe, but someone screwed that up, as usual. Unless YOUR Department says you can't carry outside of your jurisdiction, as long as you have ID that proves you are a copper from just about anywhere, yes, you can carry in the City.
Did 03:53 mean the suburban cop could NOT carry his sidearm? The ILCS applies evenly throughout the state to all peace officers but pantywaist asshats put their own spin on things citing private property bullshit. An example is Great America or the music venue in Tinley Park as examples where we cannot carry. Those examples are wrong as they are licensed premises NOT private property but no one has the balls to challenge it (hint hint FOP and PBPA). What if Woodfield Mall put out a sign that said no guns allowed including police? Same for the big stores, K-mart, Wal-Mart, Jewel Foods.....big signs saying no guns allowed including police....what then? Under the same logic they are private property and can bar us from carrying our weapons. Something needs to be done and the FOP, PBPA and our fellow officers in the state legislature need to move on clarifying legislation to stop this anti-gun, ANTI-POLICE policy that's going on unabated!
Anonymous said...
I have the background and title to comment on this one.
1. SCC, you are correct. It is not a charge.
2. I was going to give the legal analysis. But I decided not to do the job of the "experts."
This one along with the "Legitimacy..." order where written by knuckle daggers who are trying way to hard to appear educated. They have an I.Q. Of under 40. But I have to print these orders. Some people are incredibly stupid. That must be a requirement to teach at the academy or to put these orders together.
7/21/2012 12:47:00 AM
With all the spelling and grammar errors in your post, I'd be a little hesitant to comment on peoples' IQs counselor.
Wait until they pay out the huge fucking settlements and start releasing bad mother fuckers from prison because of all the "secret" reports that will be done by GEU, that won't be turned over as part of discovery because only the detectives bitch about it.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??#
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If your a sworn officer in this state you can carry your shit where ever u want in this state or the other states for that matter. However, some private venues can restrict that like Great America, its privately owned, soldier field, park district owned, etc... The only large public venue I know that refuses to adm it armed police is Shit Flags America that's why I haven't been there since 1988. Now some departments can administratively restrict your ability to carry off duty.
I dont care what the "rules" are. If you are a suburban officer in Chicago you are welcome to be armed as far I am concerned.
What next?
"Attempt Battery?"
Anonymous said... OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago
If tour a peace officer u can carry anywhere in the USA. But certain venues can restrict bc of their safety rules and liquor
Kids, we are gonna have to work for the money
Just when "Charlie McCarthy" was getting familiar, we're seeing more of a "Mortimer Snerd".
Really?? OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers".
No need to tell you as you obviously aren't the police.
03:53 . . .
Although it seems like chicago is a state and country unto itself, it is still part of the U.S. If a cop can carry anywhere in the country, why the f**k wouldn't a suburban cop be allowed to carry in Chicago? This isn't 1980's NewYork . . .
The 011 District runs so efficiently while a certain LT is on vacation. Just amazing how much can get done without any micro managing from the Station Supervisor's office.
But GT and MB will be sure to call and facebook the LT about what is going on so he can stay informed in the event he is needed for a Press Conference.
I want cops not lawyers!
orders issued by the Bureau of Silliness, Division of Irrelevance, signed by the Director of I have no Idea what I'm Doing, I've never been the Police, I just take orders.....
like the German guards who escorted folks onto the boxcar trains..."hey, we didn't know where they were going, maybe they were taking a trip!"....
With all the spelling and grammar errors in your post, I'd be a little hesitant to comment on peoples' IQs counselor.
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Well, I am not a Counselor. But it is obvious that your I.Q.
is under 40. You assumed that a lawyer made the comment.
This is a blog, it is not the same as releasing an official
document for the world to see. To say that the two are the same is retarded.
Maybe this should have been sent to the federally mandated legal policy lawyer sergeant.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
CANNOT CARRY INSIDE UC. There is a room for police with lock boxes for your pistol. That said, I carry it in there anyway ;) every venue is different. At Allstate there is a log you have to sign but you can still carry. Soldier field doesn't allow carry, no log, no lock box.
automated arrest debriefing module? wow ... remember arrests were just one side of the sheet, with the carbon paper in the middle .. sometimes "progress" is not progress at all
. You will be charged with homicide but released without charging
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type that 10 times until you realize how stupid you are
you will be arrested for homicide, yes, but never charged with it
Anonymous said...
The 011 District runs so efficiently while a certain LT is on vacation. Just amazing how much can get done without any micro managing from the Station Supervisor's office.
But GT and MB will be sure to call and facebook the LT about what is going on so he can stay informed in the event he is needed for a Press Conference.
7/21/2012 05:02:00 PM
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No idea who you're talking about, but my Lt is also on Facebook. I think any boss who's on this Facebook crap should have their heads examined. He loves playing grabass via Facebook with the dollies on the watch.
Get a life and GROW UP!!
i'm a lawyer. i appplied to CPD in 2008 or 9 (cannot remember exactly) went all they way through BG check. still listening to the crickets chirping for my date. but, i'm turning 40 soon, so my 12 years of expertise a an attorney in the criminal courts won't be put to use to make SURE that the arrests that are made stick and that the DB's go and get their just desserts when they commit a crime. i was willing to take a 50% paycut to be a police officer as i really felt i had a lot to offer the department and the community. gues that's not what the higher ups want.
"Bureau of Patrol members will not complete the automated Arrestee Debriefing Module!"
...said R2D2 in its metallic voice, waving its stubby little arms, its lights flashing as it lay helplessly on its side on the floor...
The bucket boys laughed and sported around it, giving high-fives.
It's too weird.
Anonymous said...
I dont care what the "rules" are. If you are a suburban officer in Chicago you are welcome to be armed as far I am concerned.
7/21/2012 01:59:00 PM
If you are an officer from anywhere and visit Chicago you better be armed. Any LEO from anywhere gets courtesy and respect from me. Just don't be drunk and obnoxious and armed. I have been treated well in jurisdictions across the US.
Any sworn "peace officer" in the State of Illinois can legally carry their firearm in Chicago. Not so for out-of-staters unless they are on-duty.
You are an idiot. HR218 gave us the right to carry in Every State in the US!
Just get rid of the "debriefing" bull shit on the arrest report and make all of our lives easier.
I've been to the UC with my weapon with no problems. Concert venues and of course six flags are a different story. And if you don't know the laws I suggest you learn them. It wasn't too long ago a copper got jammed up for attempting to arrest a cc sheriff for uuw thinking he couldn't legally carry a weapon. There are many different agencies operating In the city that can carry weapons. Us, all cc sheriffs (co's, police and the court guys) feds. But as someone else added a suburban agency could administratively bar their ofcs from carrying off duty.
Anonymous said...
Really?? OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers".
No need to tell you as you obviously aren't the police.
7/21/2012 03:26:00 PM
All venues are have different rules about cops carrying. I'm not the original poster, but I AM the police and I don't know what the rules for us are at all of these types of places. The suburban cop was asking a legitimate question.
Anonymous said...
Wait until they pay out the huge fucking settlements and start releasing bad mother fuckers from prison because of all the "secret" reports that will be done by GEU, that won't be turned over as part of discovery because only the detectives bitch about it.
As a Dick, I have problems with this GEU secret reports. There is not access to them at all, other than the hard copy officers write. Of course, these reports only circulate within the GEU. The topper I have had is when they arrest a guy and in their arrest report narrative state "read report (GEU)" Which they do not provide. Genius.
The only place I have been denied entry with my weapon was GreatAmerica.
Since I was there for an event with my daughter, I was forced to lock it in the gun box. The private security there are rude and hate the police and I will never go there nor will my family.
There was a four foot tall female captain of security who told me to get the fuck out if I didn't like it.
There is no charge in ILCS of homicide.
OT... a suburban officer was told by CPD today that he could carry his firearm at the United Center tonight. SCC..what are the rules and laws for suburban officers carrying in Chicago??
Did not the US Congress enact a law allowing off-duty carry throughout all 50 states?
The 011 District runs so efficiently while a certain LT is on vacation. Just amazing how much can get done without any micro managing from the Station Supervisor's office.
But GT and MB will be sure to call and facebook the LT about what is going on so he can stay informed in the event he is needed for a Press Conference.
7/21/2012 05:02:00 PM
Yeah, exactly what is being done while your LT is gone?Apparently, you have a problem with your boss as you keep posting your whines like a lil bitch. Grow a set and go flap your jibs to their face.
What??? (crickets chirping...)
Thought so...
cpd don't need no stinkin lts or merit xo's , Sergeants run Patrol
The only place I have been denied entry with my weapon was GreatAmerica.
Since I was there for an event with my daughter, I was forced to lock it in the gun box. The private security there are rude and hate the police and I will never go there nor will my family.
There was a four foot tall female captain of security who told me to get the fuck out if I didn't like it.
7/22/2012 01:20:00 PM
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How very professional of her. And so gracious, as well.
Anonymous said...
i'm a lawyer. i appplied to CPD in 2008 or 9 (cannot remember exactly) went all they way through BG check. still listening to the crickets chirping for my date. but, i'm turning 40 soon, so my 12 years of expertise a an attorney in the criminal courts won't be put to use to make SURE that the arrests that are made stick and that the DB's go and get their just desserts when they commit a crime. i was willing to take a 50% paycut to be a police officer as i really felt i had a lot to offer the department and the community. gues that's not what the higher ups want.
7/21/2012 08:30:00 PM
You are much better off not here. Really. I sat in a squad car with more than one lawyer. This job needs only a high school education. And these days you will go to the ghetto and stay there for years. The City did you a favor. The smarter you are and more education you have the more bored you will quickly become.
Go practice law.
016th Dist "The Special ONE"
they talk about all of us having to follow the General Orders and for most of we do try to follow them, using them as tools to help guide some of our desecions. Then there are always the few that like to go their own way and do what they want. We all know who they are in jeff park, everybody has talked about them in some form or another. Two of them most recently have been addmonished for some or their choices that they made are now getting their just dessert. Then there is that very one I like to call her "THE SPECIAL ONE" we ALL know her. She is that one we all have made comments about for the way she has done and handled those few jobs "she takes". We all had a great laugh about the way she handled NATO as the SPECIAL driver for the one poor tactical team. You remember when all the other teams were jumping back into the vans getting sent to the next spot to control the crowd. There sat the lowly 016th dist tact team wait for their SPECIAL Driver to take them, then upon her return the tact team and the crowd cheered her arrival with laughter. Then the time when she was assigned a traffic crash as we all get and she told the dispatcher, she was too far away from the job and if she handled it she would be on O.T.. The sgt assigned it to her and she clearly stated on the radio "NO" I can't I'm an eight hour car. So what happen another working officer had to get the job reassigned to them to handle. She comes to work at her pace when the boss calls for her she replies somehow over the radio ok I am coming and she walks over to her car and gets into it and goes off to do do who knows what. Oh yeah thats right protray a Crossing Guard Supervisor, at least when Joe did it he worked his tail off. We all understand that there are things we all need to take care of but doing the job is why we are all here. This brings me to the point of the General Orders, it does state in the general order not verbatim, but very close to it the folloowing: What ever officer is the first officer responding to a radio call assignment or an on view assignment that officer will become the primary investigator of the assignment if they are the first responder on the scene. So I ask you then this Why if the you respond on the radio as "Emergency" i have just on-viewed a accident in which I was almost hit but I am not involved and the striking car has hit two other cars. WHY can she say "squad send another car to handle the crash report" and the sgt's allow it to happen. Who is not following the General Orders. The after the ON-VIEW OFFICER doesn't do the paper, then she trys to be the police and tell the Re-assigned Bt car what to do with the accident until that officer tells her either I handle it or you do. We have all said to one another about the SPECIAL ONE. Someone out there is either real happy or someone has some real good connection to be able to let this continue. Personally I think it's bullshit and some white shirt has to put their foot down and put a end to it. Either we all go by the same standards or we don't. Yeah I understand if you work hard and do what the bosses ask or expect us to do your seen as a worker, and those officers get the breaks they get, but when this gets let to continue this is WHY!!!!! Moral is not what it should be. You make your own view of it I stated mine. Becareful and lets keep backing each other up so we can all go home on time to our families.
To 10:28 pm you and your sgt have no balls at all.
There should be Justifiable Homicide because some people just have it coming.
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