Sun Times Article (UPDATE)
Big front page story about people on disability actually leading lives.
We haven't read the article yet, and as of this posting it doesn't seem to be online.
A few points in the meantime:
We haven't read the article yet, and as of this posting it doesn't seem to be online.
A few points in the meantime:
- If the subjects of the article are actually disabled and have been judged as such by a competent doctor, there's nothing that says they can't go out and enjoy life, including hunting.
- If they are scamming, then they should face the consequences and make restitution following a proper investigation and court proceedings, and any medical professional who abetted their scam ought to be investigated and stripped of their licenses, too.
- This certainly seems like odd timing, doesn't it? We've stated before that to have a gentlemens' agreement, one must be negotiating with actual gentlemen. We'd question the process that led to the article being posted just as our contract expired.
We'll link the article when it becomes available. And when we become available in the morning.
UPDATE: Article now linked.
UPDATE: Article now linked.
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posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
272 Comments:
I for one, a working cop glad to see abusers of our disability brought to culpability.
Just ready the article,sounds like bullshit but if the guy on the cover can hunt big game "you have some splaning to do lucy!"
Well last time I checked there was more people filing for disability then was finding jobs "in this economic recovery".
Leave it to the corporate run media to shift our attention away from the trillion dollar bank frauds to divide the rest of us by cranking up the stereotype of welfare cheats getting something for nothing.
Not that it's right.
But let's start at the top where we get more bang for the buck and then work our way down. Start with the outrage at the banker CEO's that put millions of people out of work and created the economic conditions that encourages what we have on our hands right now. Don't treat the symptom. Go after the root cause.
Bad timing for what? The public doesnt like cops to begin with. And they are even more pissed about the benefits and salary that we get with the economy being in the shitter and them being out of work. Its not like the public is going to demand police get a raise. This will be decided by an arbitrator and he could care less about some article in some rag of a newspaper.
Gotcha journalism at its worst. No where in this article is there even an allegation that these coppers did anything wrong.You can work another job while on disability. It's the law. Period.
You can live your life while on disability.
FOP Lappe could have noted that disabled POs can work another job. But he didn't. He could have said that in most instances the Department tells the PO to go on disability, not the other way around. But he didn't. He could have noted that the overwhelming majority of duty disabled POs are never offered a desk job like his. But he didn't.
Both him and Shields should have decried the personal information of these POs being released. This article serves no purpose other than to embarrass and smear these officers. It looks like the FOP did nothing.
As Secretary of Labor Ray Donovan said after being acquitted of trumped up racketeering charges; "Which office do I go to get my reputation back?"
I was there when Tovo was injured. This guy was hurt BAD.
Hippa law violation by releasing this
If someone is well enough to "enjoy life" by lugging around hunting gear and tracking a 300 pound animal, they are well enough to work. Even if its a desk job. Scammers make the entire department look bad. Whether its a cop faking an illness or a ghetto thug scamming a link card, it screws everyone.
How about they do a story on the mopes on SSI disability and the lives they live.
A bigger story would be the annual amount of money pilfered via Gold Braid pensions, and the multi-merit apple biters that receive them.
Undoubtedly there's more corruption to uncover in that travesty than could ever be found in this non-story. Gold Star Bossholes personify everything wrong with this department: envelopes plump with cash, "Chinamen", commiserating with storefront church "Men of God", secret study groups, nepotism and cronyism and utter incompetence rewarded, encouraged and perpetuated.
Too bad no one in the media has the stones to take up such an easy one. Fish in a barrel, all you publishing pussies.
I agre a 100% and Im not a cop...Bloody asshat terds
I read the article. I was very surprised to learn Mike Lappe was a doctor and would share his medical opinion with the Sun-Times. Reading his interview I also learned he was extremely fortunate that the department gave him the spot they did, and allowed him to work with an obvious limp. The majority of disabled officers that limp never received the same opportunity to return to work as Officer Lappe, they are just basically told the CPD has no use for you, now go fight for a disability pension.
there are many who are scamming. Working security jobs, traveling out of the country, engaging in vigorous athletic and vocational activity, all the while collecting duty related tax free, free full medical full dental full eye care free union dues pensions. The duty pensions are based on the last day worked and not on the best years out of ten. They also earn time on the job credit until age 63. Believe me, many could work in call back. Then there are guys who were shot and injured seriously who are still at work. I hope they put the scammers in the shithouse
The Superintendant had two Officers sparred for not having their baseball caps with them while they sat in the conflict zone detail in 003. The detail is at 65 Drexel. What the heck is wrong with that guy??
One on disability couldn't function was an alcoholic, another in 30 s claimed back injury works full time and has been see going to the gym.
So investigate
i have no sympathy for the phonies who take advantage of the system. they should be checked annually, if cleared go back to work. many quit taking medication after a period of time calling attention to themselves. the phonies dont help the fund, other city departments also have this problem.the fund belongs to the members and should not be used to reward the politically connected.
The department has said they don't have jobs to accommodate PO's who have been IOD and have restrictions. It's funny how you still have full duty PO's inside working. apply for disability and expect to wait about 6-9 mths w/out pay is what the dept will tell you there's a long list. go on welfare is what they are now saying. Are you freaking kidding!!! Call back you say they treat you worse at that place all for being injured on duty. Last I heard they were going to start firing injured PO's who couldnt keep up w production at callback.
OT regarding "Pasor Brooks" allegedly walking across the US....
New York City is 790 miles from Chicago
He started June 5, and as of today's date, he has allegedly walked 49 days
He appeared to around least 250# when he started
He should burn around 136 calories per mile
So he should have ALREADY lost 29 lbs.
He looks just as fat as when he left
After years of foot chases over fences thru vacant lots and such for blocks only to have them say "i'm on disability" and just now there is a question about disability fraud in the media. Maybe there should be a check on the disability lawyers working hand-in-hand with their certifying doctors who in turn have pharmacy partners getting these guys on and maintaining them on the program. These "clinics" and "practices" develop guaranteed monthly patient base that is more reliable on sign-in than parolees. But, I would suspect the owners/investors of these "practices" make the correct donations or are in a protective position. Read a joke recently that there was only 1% suspected fraud in food stamps and that the amounts a business is cashing is "proprietary" info. and withheld from public. No fraud here--move along.
I heard that the 5th dist w/c pulled out a recorder at roll call on her return from nut land.
response to the 12:31 am post:
For the record readers, I did in fact mention to Mr. Novack that as the Chairman of the disability committee, CPD Human Resources has monies set aside to train an officer who may be placed on the disability roll, for another profession. Also, if an officer wishes to remain on the CPD from an on-duty IOD injury, the committee has contacted H/R in an attempt to reassigne an officer into a limited duty position, other than call back.
Lastly, the FOP President & 1st Vice President did in fact call Novack out on the method he was investigating officers to compile his story. I witnessed it myself.
So please don't assume that that key points were not mentioned during my conversation. They were. My comments related to this readers and others concerns were omitted from print.
Stay Safe,
Mike Lappe
It is Sunday morning and I can't find the article regarding police disability. The Sun Times may have pulled it after careful consideration. Lawyers may have advised them that they are treading in a grey area.
They should write an article about how many ghetto superstars scam Social Security Insurance (SSI). They should investigate how a piece of garbage gangbager , who is 20 years old and gets shot and is entitled to over $600 a month for doing nothing . They should also investigate to see how many taxpayer dollars are being given away to the leaches of society ,for having asthma , being illiterate or being " bi-polars schizophrenic".
Siedlicki is a piece of garbage. I remember him from the job. Now his kid works in 022. Another hair gel loser. Unreal this job.
We as working able bodied P.O.'s and should be mad as hell at the abusers. The thing that most of us don't understand is that these abusers are on our pension dollars. Now I am not saying that there are not some who deserve it because there are but there are a lot that abuse the medical and eventually get disability.
I for one know a former medical abusing P.O. who is now on disability. The funny thing is his wife works for the Chicago Public Schools, well guess what this P.O. was off on some B.S. medical leave damn near every summer. And low and behold he is involved in a fender bender and is now on disability, the funny thing is his partner was back to work days later. He went along telling all of us how he cannot work and drive a squad car for morte than a few hours at a time, and how he cannot sit for long periods of time. But then the kicker is that this asshole goes and buys a RV last year and travles the country with his family for over 50 days in a row. And guess who was able to drive for 14 hours in a row on the trip, HE WAS, according to his wife who posted it on Facebook comlplete along with pictures. He was also able to go hiking while carrying a backpack. I guess we the working Police are the dummies for showing up everyday while this P.O.S. travels the country in his RV. The real kick in the balls here is that he is friends with Little Mikey Shields on Facebook.
Hey P.A. from 023 and formerly of 020 if you read this I hope your ass is back working inside someday somewhere in the vicinity of 727 E.111th St.
Alright. If the guy on the Scum-Times cover can do all that than this jag is stealing from the system put in place for guys that really need it. Guys like Jim Mullin and other Officers really injured and can not return.
Disability is mostly fake today. Never saw all these crybabies years ago. Suck it up, take your minor aches and pain.
I remember years back an SOS guy on the medical with a cast on his foot out wild boar hunting in Arkansas. Bogus injury?
Saw the list via Shaved's site and the list is NOT ACCURATE.
There is an officer on the list that is NOT on Disability.
The officer is working.
The city tried to force the officer to disability but the officer refused and they put the officer on IOD limited duty.
AGAIN, THE OFFICER IS WORKING!
(this is one example of a name I know, how many others are on this list erroneously)
You're allowed to shoot a hippo? You probably could track something like that while riding a Rascal. It's like big game hunting a milk cow inside the stockyards. Ain't exactly sporting.
It is my understanding that our diasablity program was in response for the city of Chicago not paying into the states workers comp program. An Ofc that is injured is unable to sue the city. This program saves the tax payers millions of dollars each and every year. I love the drive by media, they only side with the politicians of this state . For the record , am a full duty officer with 22 years on the job. I am still working the streets but I can tell you this job has taken a toll on my body . Officers it is time you start knowing how we got our benifits. Our benifits arrived from politicians saving tons of tax dollars and putting them in there pockets.
More stuff to dirty us up before contract talks, nice job Rahm.
There are a lot of cops that do not want to be on disability, but the department forced them to take it!! The department is going to force even more cops on disability that are currently limited duty at 35th st and replace them with incompetent civilians! All I can say is pray that you don't come down with a disabling disease! 1 year is not enough time to recover!
on a side note--- didn't a study just uncover that almost 500 inmates of the illinois department of corrections still receive a monthly unemployment check--- and you wonder why illinois is broke---
Go figure the poster boy for all that is wrong with this has ties to daley.
Mike Lappe has done more police work since being shot than many POs who are healthy. How dare you criticize him. The FOP, in collusion with the City, is all too happy to take coppers off the payroll and put them into disability eating up the pension fund. The DPR has plenty of mooches of OUR money.
Anonymous said...
Hippa law violation by releasing this
7/15/2012 12:51:00 AM
You must know nothing about HIPPA. Only the justice department can enforce HIPPA. Individual people who think they have been wronged cannot do shit. Call justice. See if they'll help. NOT!
Jesus, the readers of this blog have stooped to new lows. Now the readers are attacking Mike Lappe? WTF! Anyone injured in the line of duty that can walk and shoot can come back to the job. Thing is, they don't want to. Shame on them. And shame on those that attack Lappe.
1;04am>amen brother, this country is going down the shitter! that said anyone who is abusing the system should be held accountable,you too JR!
Anonymous said...
Gotcha journalism at its worst. No where in this article is there even an allegation that these coppers did anything wrong.You can work another job while on disability. It's the law. Period.
You can live your life while on disability.
FOP Lappe could have noted that disabled POs can work another job. But he didn't. He could have said that in most instances the Department tells the PO to go on disability, not the other way around. But he didn't. He could have noted that the overwhelming majority of duty disabled POs are never offered a desk job like his. But he didn't.
Both him and Shields should have decried the personal information of these POs being released. This article serves no purpose other than to embarrass and smear these officers. It looks like the FOP did nothing.
As Secretary of Labor Ray Donovan said after being acquitted of trumped up racketeering charges; "Which office do I go to get my reputation back?"
7/15/2012 12:31:00 AM
Lappe left out several important points. How many disabled officers have the chance for a desk job? That takes clout or a sponsor. How is it that Lappe, who has very obivious physical limitations can still have a marked squad car 24/7 and make arrests and street stops? Where is the liability with his actions? Not every disabled officer has the opportunities that Lappe had. At least provide both sides of the issue not just one side, Mike.
"Big front page story about people on disability actually leading lives."
Including many having another job while still collecting disability payments. That is allowed, but that does not make it right. Plus the disability payments are paid out of the police pension funds. The fund is unfunded now, soon there will be nothing left for anyone. Three California cities have filed for bankruptcy this year, Chicago is not far behind.
There are a lot of people who are on disability role that would love to come back ... City doctor's won't clear them.
Here is the link to the article on disability:
http://www.suntimes.com/photos/galleries/13688828-417/city-paid-18-million-in-disability-to-cops-some-with-other-jobs.html
help find these guys...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-2-abducted-cta-rider-at-gunpoint-at-california-stop-assaulted-her-20120714,0,6646603.story
I personally know a few officers who are legitimately on disability.
I believe most of us are aware of the identities of 2-3 that are confined to wheelchairs as a result of on duty, in-progress police work and are paralyzed due to gunfire or auto accidents etc.
To publish this list in this fashion is for one purpose only by the Scum-Times.
I only pray that they violated the HIPPA Act by publishing names and degrees of disability and they are taken to task.
I wouldn't wrap a dead fish in a Sun-Times Newspaper.
Good luck during contract negotiations, boys and girls. It's certainly no coincidence that this story ran when it did. Once again, it's all the fault of the greedy, overpaid, corrupt police.
It seems like a bunch of rahm inspired sour grapes against most of these officers for taking an opportunity and re-inventing themselves in the face of serious injury.
*how dare you peons remake yourselves and enjoy life without our permission*
Par for the course when you have a sociopathic, narrow-shouldered, North Shore shit-ass of a mayor openly warring with his Police Department while giving a cool $1 million to murdering, dope dealing dogs like Greasefire.
Heh... It's all about values and how one was raised. Right Rahm?
Fucking Hypocrite!
Meanwhile...
Loved the one where they asked a copper who put herself through law school and is a practicing attorney out of state, if she could "work as a lawyer for the city of chicago."
She replied, "I don't think it should be up to you to determine where I work."
Translation: None of your fucking business...
We would love to see Novak and Fusco on the horns of a few defamation/slander lawsuits.
Heh-Heh... Interesting what the P.I.'s will uncover going through Novak's and Fusco's trash and underwear drawers as to the who, what, when, where, how and why they were "inspired" to run this hit piece.
Just saying...
These fuckers have no integrity so they wouldn't stand the heat from the light of scrutiny with prejudice.
This is nothing more than a planted hit piece to stir up anti-Police sentiment going into contract negotiation.
Why don't any of the local rags do any digging about the toxic Police stations that are known and notorious cancer clusters that have sickened and killed numerous Officers?
Didn't 011 lose two P.O.'s to cancer within a week? Several over the last few years?
Hasn't 012 lost several over the last few years? 013? Didn't they unearth asbestos in the site of the new 012? What about the 006'ers?
*SHHH! WE CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING CASTING COPPERS IN A POSITIVE LIGHT! BESIDES, IF THAT REVELATION GAINS TRACTION IT COULD COST THE CITY LOTS OF MONEY! SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND DIE ALREADY YOU COPS!*
Aye... There IS something in those walls...
The scammers SHOULD be dealt with and forced to make restitution.
This hit piece makes it look like the city and the department are unwitting victims of that infernal Police Union FOP.
Another "Don't look here! Look THERE!" moment brought to you by Chicago media.
Reeking, decaying alive anal-whores all...
It just makes the department look bad. Timing is everything isn't it. That front page picture is the worst. Where did it come from? Facebook? Remember social network is there for all to see.
There are more then a few scamming the disability rolls and everyone knows it. The other part of this is how these rules are written. If you are not fit for street duty then put the officer in an administrative job until retirement. As long as the officer is still given the same pay and benefits it does not matter if they werar a uniform or carry a weapon or even work within the police department. They can hold other jobs. The Suntimes article points out two people who only had one year on the job before getting injured, broken leg, and collected for the rest of their life. That is your pension money being paid out. If you want public support for your pension then do not defend these people or the the rules that allow then to collect for doing nothing.
How does anyone know what Lappe did or didn't say? Ifanyone out there thinks the press prints anything other than what they deem as important, they better wake the fuck up and face the fact that there isn't anything out there that can be considered unbiased reporting. It's all infotainment now. The real story just wouldn't sell papers.
Change the law if that is the case or change the rules, but put most of these officers back to work in some capacity. The city did not care as the pension fund is paying, but the pension funds are in trouble. If you are on disability you should be prohibited from moving out of the city or taking a second job. If you can work in some capacity then you should be brought back on any city job with the same pay as your rank. There are far too many scammers on disability. They stay off for many years and then just short of retirement age they are cured, come back for 3 years to increase their pension and then retire.Way too many slip and falls.
i think this article is just another punch to the gut of chicago police officers ,, if the citys doctor write a police officer not able to work then thats it !!!! would you work with a guy who is anything less than 100% really ? put yourself in the po 's shoes ! ya they get a check for 5000 month , but had to give up what they wanted to do for life , always telling people about the problem . this is a doctor who writes the letters not a rn !! a city dr too who probably wasn't even paid by the city . i think the sun times was very unfare and should be sued by every disability officer . hope you brothers get back to work one day if not i hope you feel better , your still officers to me !!! fuck the sun times
LOL...love Shields comment that they be put on in other City depts so long as same pay as police. News flash...police make more than most other City workers (CFD excluded).
This guy on the cover of the Times looks like a scammer.He could certainly be working doing something.
Big game hunting in Africa but unable to handle his side arm ?
Tracking an animal for long distances but unable to work the streets of Chicago?
I'm no doctor, and with out knowing any of the facts which are none of my business anyway I have to give this officer the benefit of the doubt. There are doctors and other professionals on the pension board and the medical secition who have reviewed this.
If these professionals are part of a group that can be relied upon to game the system at the request of the privilaged few then who is at fault. Who hires these pros, or appoints them to these positions on the boards who make the decisions on who is approved for these benefits. That's right Mr. Mayor. After years of making certain that the privilaged are taken care of better than any of the others now you complain just prior to the opening of contract talks.
The big game hunter had a father who was retired as an exempt, a wife on the job, a mother who owns one of the oldest funeral home businesses in the city with the Irish name sake from Bridgeport. Campaign contributions made to alderman who are considered heavy weights, and admitted to law school to become an attorney.
I have been through the law school admissions system myself. If you think that the U of I admissions scandle was a shame or the tuition wavier program where politicians were gaming the system was not quite right, you haven't seen nothing untill the law school admissions are examined for clout and influence.
Who gave the information to the Sun Times? Who pointed them in the direction of the people who seem to be the poster boys for abuse of the system.
Is the average patrol officer who works the streets of Chicago day in and day out with little or no thanks from the public that they serve capable of manuvering through the system this way to receive these and all of the other of a charmed life.
The system is set up with the good intentions of taking care of people who need the help and have earned the benefit.
Who games the system for a benefit that they may not deserve. Most seem to go to someone inside the system for the help to influence the process. Who are these persons Mr. Mayor and where did they come from ?
I agree with an earlier post, if you want to save money, start with an overhaul of all of these city services that are provided free of charge. It should say " free to property tax payers only". All of this nonsense is a burden on the middle class working families, even the non-city worker.
Start somewhere other than employee salaries and benefits because you know it's not my side of town where all the welfare babies are killin each other...
Finally. Out these scum. Shame these motherfuckers. Let their children see them for the shameful scumbags they really are. Let the world know them for what they truly are.
This story should have come out 10 years ago.
Hooray for the Suntimes!
Why does our pension fund pay for duty disability? It should come out of the city's coffers. They are responsible not our pension fund.
7/15/2012 12:24:00 AM
Great point comrade, Karl would be proud of your class warfare post. I agree with you. We should blame those that have been able to succeed and use what the Constitution was meant to be, a guide to Free Market Capitalism. Let's turn to what they have in Europe, they seem to know what's bets for the workers. See you next MayDay Comrade.
I want to let everyone out there that I just went through the process of receiving duty disability. The FOP lawyers were the worst I had ever seen. The pension board did not give a rats ass about the pain I was in or that my doctor did not want me to return to work. As for officer Lappe, he chose to return to work and they gave him a spot at the academy, most coppers do not get that option, they go right back on the street. There are plenty of coppers that do their duty with a fuckin limp. So, be careful and dont trust the FOP or the Pension Board they don't give a fuk about you. thanks.
This article was not a coincidence or that the media all of a sudden knows how to do their job. The SunTimes is just part of the Democrat Propaganda Machine. They didn't uncover anything that wasn't spoon fed to them by the Left at City Hall. The faster that you realize that we live in the most Leftist city, in the most Progressive State in the nation, then you will understand what is going on. Why do you think Illinois and it's real capital, Chicago are so corrupt?
You all know why the homicide rate is going through the roof. It's not being reported by the MSM. You know what is going on in our department yet all you read in the MSM is all the false stories that they tell the public. We have a smaller police force, less people, less districts and less areas. The MSM has corrupted the public against us with all their anti police stories.
We have a states attorney office that will go out of it's way to throw you under the bus before they go after a hood rat.
They are coming after our pensions. They are going to chip at us one small bit at a time. They know that the economy has been wrecked by their ineptness and now want to divert the public's attention to our pensions. The city is using these fishwraps as a way to gain the public's sympathy for them as we go into contract negotiation.
They also use these articles to turn us against each other also. You can read what the 'minuteonthejob' guys that drink the kool-aid comment on this blog.
They used this propaganda machine last year to showcase officers who were ill or injured off the job. Later that year on Christmas eve the city told these officers that they would be off the job in a year if they couldn't get better and return to full duty. How many of those guys are going into our pension next year, all at once? Can the pension absorb them and the hundreds of monthly retirees? They are now going after the officers who were injured on duty.
Think about it. If the media were doing it's job, why wouldn't they print at least a quarter of the things that we read on this blog? They are just tools for the city and do their bidding.
Edison park is considered a retirement community for a majority of these scammers. Must be nice to collect a tax free check and do absolutely nothing on the working policeman's pension. You know what I mean PC?
Nice that they put everybody's name in the paper. Now when the little old lady next to asks me to shovel her walk, she can take my photo and send it into the Sun-Times.
Not a cop but my comment is this, if you can go to a safari and hunt, then why cant this guy work at least at the 911 center to spare someone OT pay? Just curious. Also lets keep this in the context of the current topic. I am also pissed that assholes in cook county scam SSI, unemployment and tax refunds, but lets stop all of that bullshit and end the fraud first. If you can work, find them a job. What the fuck is wrong with that?
If someone is well enough to "enjoy life" by lugging around hunting gear and tracking a 300 pound animal, they are well enough to work. Even if its a desk job.
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It's one thing to shoot a gun; theses animals don't try to take the gun away from you. When you go on disability, aside from what you may think,the Department does NOT give you a desk job.
there are many who are scamming. Working security jobs, traveling out of the country....
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Idiot. Do you think that working a security job is the same as being a PO. Are disabled POs restricted to traveling only inside the country? Maybe you should come out from behind your desk and give that job to a disabled PO.
Shields is the president of the FOP and on the pension board. How did he let all this personal private medical information become available?
For those of you cheering the release of this information; I hope your day never comes. Stay healthy.
@ 7/15/2012 02:31:00 AM
That is not part of the conflict zone. That is some extra special detail that no one has details about. And I also heard that the Sup cursed the officers out...
officers should be required to work call back if able to drive before granted duty disability , it's a drain on our pension fund.
This is the kind of thing really hurts the image of public sector unions.
This story is BS. This guy gets injured they do not seem to dispute that as he had surgery and rehab - then they report the City told him he could not come back on the job. Nowhere do they say the City offered him any light duty job. So he is run throough the system is examined by the pension board and given the duty disability. He is examined every year for many years by their doctors. Goes back to school on his own dime and makes a lot of money and uses it to go hunting. I do not see that he did anything wrong. Shooting a rifle sure ain't the same as retaining control of your pistol when someone is trying to take it away from you. And, I know a few guys who have hunted in Africa - they had guides to carry their rifles and they shot from rifle rests with a paid hunter and others assisting them.
Sorry, lawyer boy, big game hunter gets no support from this cop. Something's massively wrong here. Reading most comments after the article, it appears Rahm and the Sun Times achieved the desired result.These kinds of stories along with this economy and so many unemployed, all add up to us getting it shoved up our asses in the upcoming contract negotiations. I only have 4 years to go. At least I'll be able to say I was here when things were good.
It's hipaa and there's no violation because they never release the actual medical problem or condition, also the dept releases that information
What the hell, I want a detail on my block, like on 65/Drexel........
All I can say is to those outstanding officers who have been injured in the line of duty and have continued to work because their injuries were not used a launch pad to scam the city, my hat is off to you all. I know many officers who have been hurt bad, even shot and have healed up and come back to work because they had integrity and decency. To the men and women who have marginal injuries and use that to scam, you are worthless people. How do you look at yourself in the mirror. You are not only scamming you are scamming the pensions of all the rest of the policemen in this city.
First, if a doctor's opinion is that one can no longer meet the physical demands of the cpd (which are truly unique and myriad compared to other jobs) then it is his legal duty to express this to the department. Second, it is the department itself that often pushed officers onto disability and not reverse. Third, when one is listed by the department as physically disabled it Does Not Mean one is physically handicapped for life, but that that individual no longer meets the physical health criteria of the cpd. And fourth, a doctor could risk losing their licence and possibly charged with a crime if found complicit in conspiring to rubber stamp a disibilty claim. Thus screw you slum times, I wouldn't wipe my rear end with your paper.
While working in 013, one of the recruits mentioned disability to another and it got back. Within 5 years she got rear ended and has been collecting our money ever since, hope she chokes on it.
Anonymous said...
there are many who are scamming. Working security jobs, traveling out of the country, engaging in vigorous athletic and vocational activity, all the while collecting duty related tax free, free full medical full dental full eye care free union dues pensions. The duty pensions are based on the last day worked and not on the best years out of ten. They also earn time on the job credit until age 63. Believe me, many could work in call back. Then there are guys who were shot and injured seriously who are still at work. I hope they put the scammers in the shithouse
7/15/2012 01:50:00 AM
well dipshit, you like every other shit-for-brains reads into this bullshit article exactly what the shitsticks who wrote wanted you to see.... congratulations idiot!! You bought the bullshit hook line and sinker!!
This article states facts about disability, nothing more. This article does NOT show or otherwise prove that ANYONE on disability is defrauding the system, they merely allude to that assumption for the stupid to latch onto.
Every person alluded to as some sort of "thief" IS within the guidlines set up by the City for disability. These people are following the rules, Emanuel just thinks he's gonna try and use it to fuck over the police since he has no other control over the police.
A disgusting display of asslickery by Emnauel's pathetic friends to prove their tongues are securely stapled to the little punk shit's asshole, nothing more.
See, Emanuel can't bring anyone up on charges otherwise this article WOULD have dimed out those people, but it didn't because it CAN'T because everyone IS playing by the rules that are already approved by the City.
Tough shit you little fuckhead Emanuel.... YOU LOSE. You and your pet shithead McCarthy are gonna have to shove your new "limited duty" requirements right the fuck up your asses to get anything changed now.
How's THAT shit taste racoonboy?
Anyone who defends this practice has something wrong with them. With the exception of the "catastrophic cases" ALL of the disabilty cases are bullshit. I wake up every day with aches and pains and suffer from chronic pain on a daily basis yet for the past 20 years I've managed to come to work, do my part and continue to be a contributor into the pension system. If they fought to go on with their life while in a disability status why didn't they fight hard to go back to full or at least limited duty? I'm sure they could've sued to get off of disability. It all comes down to a matter of character and GREED...nothing more than common criminals who care nothing about the big picture and are so self centered that they'll do whatever it takes to fullfill their own needs.
Oh my god!
Never bothered Chuckie to lift those caskets, strange isn't it.
Of course there are disability scammers on this department. They are in every work environment.Big fucking deal! Find them out then fuck them. That's what is suppose to be done. Now, let's talk about the real theives of the taxpayers....That piece of shit Daley and his 40 million dollar a year hired truck program. His skyway sale. His parking meter fuck up. The Fucking Olympics. Do we really need 50 Fucking aldermen ? Ryan,Blagojevich, Jackson, Rahm. That little mutt Stroger. All the money wasted at Ohare. Cease-fucking-fire. We can go on and on. The few so called Chicago cops (scamming jaggoffs) have got nothing on the taxpayers dime compared to all the criminal acts that YOUR politicians have been doing for the last two decades. So why don't you media cocksuckers tell the whole story about where our tax dollars have been going you balless fucks. Gimme a Fucking break.
I'm on disability and have been for many years. A big "FUCK YOU" to all the haters commenting on this blog and the Sun Times article against injured POs. I'm outraged that my personal information is out there for the whole world to see. You don't know my story, you don't know what I've been through, and you don't know what I'm still facing on a daily basis. I will call the Union on Monday and see what can be done, if anything, for releasing my private info in such a public way. Believe me when I write this that there is no one who would trade places with me. No one. You would not want my life. I don't even want it some days. This article almost forces me to justify certain things; things beyond my control. I resent my circumstances being used to carry out Rham's polital agenda of making the public think that policemen and women are corrupt. And finally, a big "FUUUUUCK YOU" to Rham and the Scum Times.
I'm in the fricken heat everyday in a broken down squad car with shit air, working special, and having idiot bosses constantly screaming about nothing. If they can do what their doing, send them back to work at least in a light duty status. Looks like everyone of them can at least answer a phone or do a report.
Less than 15 years on cpd , you better demand the office dollies are replaced by these coppers scamming our pension fund .
I'll guess 75% of coppers on duty disability are able to answer a telephone or work in review office.
This is a crime , many of us know some of these officers on sun times list that are scamming our pension fund .
I am one of the people on disability with severe neurological damage. If you looked at me, your first impression would be, "she looks fine" until you see my x-rays, my MRI's and read the physician's notes. I live in the city, I certainly can work another job because if I could, I would return in some capacity to the police department. I have had to submit to a medical exam by the pension board appointed physician every two years and have been scrutinized every time. I can certainly not go on safari and most days I am happy that the neurological pain is minimized by the medication I take. Seeing is this makes me understand why everyone things everyone who is not in a wheelchair is scamming and it is sad. I should have been a quad but somehow, by the grace of God, I am not so please do not judge all of us based on this person and his life because I am certainly not enjoying life the way he is and I am sure that there are many more just like me ! I am grateful that I can walk and do things for myself and I can tell you that living on 75% of my salary does not make it possible for me to take extravagant vacations ! The neurological pain has kept me from flying in the continental US let alone a long flight such as that!
I am getting exhausted with the non-stop kick to the nuts. There is no way to catch a break in this town. 12 years of always being the asshole is getting old. Stay safe guys.
Actually, It took the press a very long time to look into this. We all know someone that pulled or "tried" to pull a disability. The story is not shocking.
I'm more pissed that he shot and killed a beautiful hippo for no reason!
Expect police bashing stories like this to be the norn, till contract talks are over.
You have to turn in your gun? Really? That's some good reporting.
Headline says City paid $18 million; story says Pension Fund paid $18 million. There's a difference. The reporters don't know that - you should. Which is it?
The story is not biased. Also covered is How Officer Lappe was shot in the throat and returned to work. Some people look for a reason to work. Some people find a way not to work! God bless Officer Michael Lappe!
I'm sure we won't be seeing an article about the heavily abused SSDI program.
In the comments section, some 30 year retired Sgt says thanks to the Sun Times...
What a clown...30 years ago stripes were "bought"
Re:post 12:31am Who ever wrote this can go suck the big one. Mr. Lappe has and will always be a policemens "policemen." You dare say "What" about him? HE has more guts then 10 marines. Some of these guys/gals, are milking the system and screwing everyone of us period. Mr. Lappe came back to work. He asked for NOTHING! Its not like the officers mentioned are poor, living in a garbage can etc..Read it! There are legit officers who are on the list and these jag--- bring heat. Who trys to justify this shit? When you work your years and wont get a pension,Remember these phonies. Send them a letter ask them to help you out.Ok how do you defend the disabled mayor in the article? Oh I see because he can. Yes this is a ploy by the city but be reasonable how can you not get upset at some of the guys mentioned WOW! SKL
Unf...beleivable! Not just that there are sooooo many scammers, but that not more working police are outraged! Some of these people worked four, five, six years and are now getting 75% tax free for total bullshit claims. This was set up for legitimate disabilities,so if you are truly injured to a point where you cannot work, you and your family will not suffer! The others on this list who are working other jobs, or just milking it while there spouses work, etc. SHAME ON YOU! You are no different then the welfare scammers that we all HATE! So typical democratic! What can I get, screw anyone and everyone else who is paying for it! What bothers me most, is that they are NOT contributing to the pension fund, and when they turn 63 and go on a pension, it is a full pension!!! Yes 75% that they did not contribute into!!!! Wake up! These scammers are hurting you and me!!!!!!
Hey, if I could get paid and not work, I would take it too. Some however, are truly disabled. Look at IOD and medical, some get in a minor car crash and are off for 9 months.
Two things, Mike Lappe probable still is a better copper then some of us, he always backs up the guys on a hot call. More than I can say for some of our own, and most of the bosses.
Also, did you notice how they forgot to mention that many of those cases were fron Burkes law firm, and who was the lawyer involved ( I think she is a judge now )
investigate SSI fraud
If you're on that list and deserve disability God bless. The rest of you are stealing our money. So fuck ya!!!
Not all coppers on disability get good spots like Lappe did. Then again he always had good spots even before he got hurt. Once again we see that we as coppers can never stick together and coppers like Lappe and Shields will gladly say what they want and sell out there own. By the way the FOP is not a Labor Union.
Thanks Lappe and Shields for crossing the line and thanks to the pension board or whoever released the disabled coppers information. I just wish that one time we could repay these backstabbers and civil rights violators for the obvious violations of coppers rights but as always when your own, Lappe and Shields, sell you out who will step up and correct the wrong done to these disabled coppers for the harassment and violations of their privacy rights?
Greg Bella would never have even talked to the Sun Times unless it was to set the record straight.
Check out these murder statistics
Chicago 272
New York 189
Los Angeles 147
New York 3x the population.
It is not working.
Those people on light duty now should be investigated also and prosecuted if they are faking there pain and etc. It's time to stop this abuse some of these doctors might be getting paid off. anyone who is disable and can work a different job should be fired from the police department so they can find a place where they are happy..............
Hmm run this IR number brothers very interesting! 1712392
Off Topic:
Hey was there an Entertainment Detail working last Night??? Did anybody see them?? These useless dogs were not where they were supposed to be, yet Again. They were riding on jobs across the district trying to be the Hero Again ( You never will be by the way) The beat cars took all the jobs on the busy Saturday night,yet Again on Clark street Wrigleyville, Halsted street, boys town. Is any sgt. in charge of these cars or What???????
No such thing as a "Gentlemens Agreement" when dealing with a coniving snake like Rahm!
Da Pelon
Lots and Lots of SCAMMERS on this job.Every District has them.The ass on the front page of the Suntimes makes all of us look bad.
After his big game hunt, he discovered a primative tribe in western africa, who pray to the god of earth, wind and fire and they all have link cards.
Publish the names of welfare recipents and LINK card users and the paper would weight 200 lbs. Better yet publish the names of Rahms buddies with "No Show" jobs in Chicago!!!! It would be more than the CPD list!!!! Keep voting Democrat for more of the same!!!
While getting gas this morning .I saw the Headline News on the Scum-times. Even though I believe that its just bad timing to bring this story out, when violence in Chicago is at an all time high. And everyone knows how much the Scum-times are anti-police. It does insult the legit officers who are on Disability, Officers like Jim Mullen who we are Blessed to still have with us. Jim suffered a horrific injury and should always be taken care of by this city. This city owes it to Officers like him who served us Honorably and were injured on duty. But when you have a guy who received disability, because he can't fire his handgun and is shown on an African Safari bagging Big Game! This most certainly hurts those officers who are legit. Some will say, theres a difference in firing a handgun and rifle. That might be true in handling and aiming. But the bottom line is, you still have to squeeze the trigger. In the end, this image is what people will see, A Supposedly Disabled Cop posing with Bagged Game in Africa. As what was told to me over 25 years ago, some Cops can be their biggest enemy!
It pains me to agree with Mike Shields, who is little more than a politician, but the little turd is right. If you're receiving disability and can work, a job should be found for you somewhere in the department or elsewhere in city government.
The great hunter Siedlecki could certainly work with our department legal beagles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they make Lieutenant's pay and all have law degrees. I think he could survive on that.
Maybe not. Those hippo hunting trips must be expensive. It's nice that he has private legal business and mama has a funeral home business.
Speaking of hippos why the fuck would you want to shoot one? I have to give it to the Sun Times they used those photos perfectly.
I can understand hunting deer, turkey, etc for the meat and to cull population, but traveling to Africa to shoot a hippo seems a bit much.
If you need to feel like a man go find a massage parlor on Western Avenue and ask for the Canaryville Funeral Home Special. Like everything else in your life I'm sure you'll get a deal.
Lappe is a gentleman and has a lot of balls AFTER being shot in the throat on a domestic he's back to work Cheerful helpful Classy
The department has said they don't have jobs to accommodate PO's who have been IOD and have restrictions...........
Bullshit!! I don't see why they can't work as a timekeeper or work review. I look at our timekeeper (017) and she could be working the streets. These spots could be handled by someone on limited duty.
WoW, That Sgt T.F gets 75 percent for a sore thumb !! And she runs a half way house for jail birds.
Why no investigation on slugs who get free money with b.s injuries.
One on disability couldn't function was an alcoholic, another in 30 s claimed back injury works full time and has been see going to the gym.
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Excuse me Doctor....but when you have a back injury aren't you SUPPOSE to go to the gym?
If they fought to go on with their life while in a disability status why didn't they fight hard to go back to full or at least limited duty?
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_How do you know they didn't?
There are quite a few scammers, but there are also quite a few po's that have been shot or seriously hurt, and came back full duty
"Headline says City paid $18 million; story says Pension Fund paid $18 million."
City pays the $ in to the pension fund. So no diff. However, it does mean that the dollars are eating away at the $ available for pensions. All government pensions funds are underfunded by billions and there is not money to catch up. That is what municipal bankruptcies are for. And they are just starting.
Anonymous said...
Expect police bashing stories like this to be the norn, till contract talks are over.
7/15/2012 01:42:00 PM
and expect stupid fucks here to help emanuel's cause by trying to legitimize the bullshit reporting of the suntimes.
Some of you fucks are just beyond belief with your pathetic attitudes. Any excuse Emanuel can come up with and you lame fucks jump on it as though it's gospel just so you can preach some more of your bullshit.
Some people are really disabled. And some people are
probably scamming the system. But whichever way that you
spin Lappe's situation, Lappe's motivation and character are commendable. The bigger problem is how the department rewards, incompetence, problem children, retarded people who are on the job, and connected people. At the same time
the department takes advantage of officers who have
intelligence, aptitude, a decent work ethic, and a willingness
to do a decent job. This will not change. Why? The supervisors do not want to do the work. So, against this background, stay safe, back each other up, and take on
responsibility for your personal advancement.
The guy with the dead hippo was a boss's kid who got taken care of by Richie Daley's guys on the pension board. PERIOD. There is your corruption. The part about him hunting and killing one of the few hippos left in the wild (while using his good shoulder to brace the rifle) just shows what a JAGOFF he is. Different point entirely, but yes, he is obviously an asshole.
I think it’s really sad that there are so many posts that want to sling mud at disabled officers. Disabled officers are told they cannot come back to work, it is not their choice. Then at the pension board hearing the trustee’s decide if you are disabled and unable to work as a police officer. God help you if the pension board finds you are not disabled and the department says you are disabled. You are then at a no pay status. It happens. Then you have no income and no insurance, and then you pay an attorney to go after the department to get your job back or go after the pension board by appealing in the circuit court.
I’ll bet most of you did not know the city pays for disabled officers to go to school so disabled officers can eventually work another job, while they are on the disability pension it’s called Voc-Rehab.
http://chicagofop.org/disability/voc_training.pdf
Let’s get this straight; the city does not want to pay anyone a cop’s salary w/benefits when a civilian can do the job for half the money.
Ralm’s getting exactly what he wants during contract time.
The worst line from this criminally misleading story is that police contribute 9% to their own pensions while the taxpayers contribute something like 212 million per year. Why not just state what we actually pay into it in real dollars like they did for the taxpayers. Hmmmm 9% of lets say an average salary of 90,000 is 8,100 dollars per person ( insert your own number there as to how you see an average department wide salary adding up.) Multiply that by the 12,500 dues paying members the city claims we have and you get 101.25 million. It is a shell game! The numbers are shown in this way to mislead people. Now consider that we and our families pay a portion of that 212 million per person and I think it's safe to say we pay more than half of what goes into our pension fund. Then please explain how the city never fucking contributes it's share! Then please fucking explain why in other states the municipality pays the whole fucking thing!
I have to say I have been off for 6 months on an IOD. So far I am in constant pain and am frustrated as hell. I want to get back to work. I just am hopeful that I can at least come back light duty. Good chance I will never fully heal. I know there is abuse, but not all can return. It's up to the department if I can retun. The Sun-Times lists a very few. What they don't say is you have to be re-evaluated yearly.
Anyone on disability is going to find themselves subject to public scrutiny and for the criminal minded, a chance to scream fraud. This is not the first time cops have been accused of disability fraud and its true that being disabled does not mran you cannot enjoy trips and other short activities because of real scammers and people s amming the so-called scammers.
A citizen
Recent Union Meeting with City
1. Rahminator would like us to agree to the following.
a.3% increase in contribution
b. free health 53
c.increase min age to 55 if less than d. 20 years on job
e. no holiday pay unless working
f. sell 200 hrs a year
g. uniform commissary
f. 12 hour work day
g. Det that are in district will work street and do all investigagtons
h. SVU and homicide teams will work out of area.
I. FTO's 2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11,15,25,22,
J. Give up of 4 days 2 personal and 2 baby furlough
k. CR 3 years
L. Drug/Booze testing off duty incindet
M. NO LIGHT DUTY
THIS IS THE WORD (INSIDER)
Spending $18 million on disability so what! Don't let the media distract you.
Illinois recently gave at least ten times that $18 million dollar amount away in tax breaks to corporations.
Chicago gave away it's parking meter operation. A huge revenue generator. Now you are going to try and tell me that you're worried about $18 million? HA!
Rahmen "Noodles" is still dragging his feet on the school zone speed trap cameras. How many millions of dollars in lost revenue have we lost already from that! I'll bet it makes the $18 million in disability look like chump change. I still haven't seen just one camera installed yet so how bad do they really need the money?
Don't waste your time on this small time stuff until the big time stuff is taken care of.
You don't attack problems from the bottom up when you have financial problems and are short of resources.
Start at the top baby where the trillions of dollars are crossing hands.
Even if all this disability is all fraud it's not any higher than the 4% food stamp fraud that is going on. How many billions do you want to throw at it to try to achieve 100% compliance?
How much money is Chicago blowing under the guise of "trade missions" to Spain, China, Singapore, South America, Asia, the UK?
The entire NATO fraud and how it will inspire a flood of tourism and wealth beyond our wildest dreams hahahaha.
The jokes on us SUCKERS. Oh-no the taxpayers will not have to pay one single dime for NATO. We are going to get that money from the Federal government Noodles tells us. So where does the Fed get it's money if not from taxing the taxpayers including the people in Chicago.
I hope you numnuts see what is happening here,the city is setting the stage for pension reform including current coppers.there is also a paycut coming I say we and the firefighters should challenge residency if Rahm continues his assault on our well earned benefits,fuck this city it's done!
I have been working for over ten years with a handful of sick days. I am offended by the amount of people scamming to get disability when they are perfectly capable of working and the number of officers on light duty when they could be working the streets. You all know who you are and your day of reckoning is coming. There are plenty of hard working officers out there on the streets risking their lives while others are hiding on disability and light duty. Leave the disability for those officers who are truly disabled and leave the light duty for those who want to work but absolutely can't be on the streets. These same scammers shit talk welfare recipients and section 8 housing beneficiaries. Well, I've got news for your, if your faking, you're no better.
RE:Anonymous said...
Anyone who defends this practice has something wrong with them. With the exception of the "catastrophic cases" ALL of the disabilty cases are bullshit. I wake up every day with aches and pains and suffer from chronic pain on a daily basis yet for the past 20 years I've managed to come to work, do my part and continue to be a contributor into the pension system. If they fought to go on with their life while in a disability status why didn't they fight hard to go back to full or at least limited duty? I'm sure they could've sued to get off of disability. It all comes down to a matter of character and GREED...nothing more than common criminals who care nothing about the big picture and are so self centered that they'll do whatever it takes to fullfill their own needs.
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F-you! I had to fight to get medical attention and was left compromised for 8 months before someone would listen to me! More than likely, that is the reason that I am in the shape that I am in today! Guess what? Couldn't even sue anyone for negligence or medical malpractice and fought for benefits. I don't have aches and pains..... I have a bunch of hardware in my body and permanent nerve damage which is more than likely the result of being left like that for 8 months. Neurosurgeon said that I should not have even been walking and now the neurological damage is permanent. Sun Times and the rest of you want to blame me for the fact that the city almost left me a quad! Oh but I'm not so I must be scamming! I had numerous physical exams as well as two functional capacity evaluations by two different physical therapists at two different locations and both yielded the same results...reached maximum medical improvement and can no longer do her job, not even light duty! So, I somehow paid off the city doctors, two of them, my neurologist and both physical therapy locations to say that I am disabled? All I can say is pray that this doesn't ever happen to you but on the other hand, I really hope one of you who has posted these rants gets the opportunity to spend 6 weeks in bed trying to recover and 9 months in PT only to still suffer from pain! I wish that for all of you who think that everyone is this person that they singled out !
didn't the FOP go out of their way to keep the name of someone there who was sexually harassing women confidential. They seem to have made no effort to keep the names of duty disabled POs confidential.
I'm in the fricken heat everyday in a broken down squad car with shit air, working special, and having idiot bosses constantly screaming about nothing. If they can do what their doing, send them back to work at least in a light duty status. Looks like everyone of them can at least answer a phone or do a report.
7/15/2012 01:19:00 PM
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You forget it's the CITY that so often forces people out and onto disability!!!
People who WANT to work, can't stay. The rules force people to leave and the 'light duty' spots aren't available for them, anyway.
I can think of at least three northside honeys who are being well taken care of and wouldn't know police work if it hit them in the face.
Each of them is filling a spot that would be ideal for a light duty person, but instead their only real job is to look cute and plan events. (There's a word for that at $85,000/yr, but let's keep
it clean.)
There are people on that list who would be happy to take a report or answer phones, but the City won't let them .
Yes, yes, yes, but where in the world is congressman triple "J"?
Jesse Jackson Jr.?!
IN HIDING ON LONG TERM DISABILITY FOR A SO-CALLED MOOD DISORDER?
How much is that costing the taxpayers?
Where's all the media investigation and the hidden camera videos and snapshots with the long lenses?
How many roll call votes have been missed already and what price do you want to assign to that loss of representation? You mean it has no value?
BTW It's pretty much the standard operation procedure excuse we hear that is often used to scam the disability system is it not? To claim a mental disability. Yeah I wonder?
Shhhh. it's all a secrete though.
Nevertheless I say that the taxpayer's are JJJ's employer. We are the ones that pay him, not the mayor, not the governor, and as his employer I think I can speak for the majority when I say we want answers! Where are you, what's wrong with you JJJ?
Meanwhile...
The mayor chimes in promoting JJJ's disappearance, being AWOL, as though it's totally acceptable. It's all about family values and privacy the mayor says or something to that effect.
Noodles speech to the NAACP on JJJ reminds me of this youtube, Just change the name that's all."Leave Jesse alone!"
About values.
As far as those dirt bag CPD officers seeking to get their union contract done however it's a totally different value system. Different standard.
Why Noodles would rather sign a million dollar contract away with ex-convicts than give CPD a dime.
It's about values. Who raised this guy?
Plenty of money to bring in a new department to protect the illegal immigrants too.... AND you keep your hands off of them CPD do you hear me? Stay away from the illegal immigrants like we tell the gangs to stay away from "the children" That's the message I got. Forget that "Broken Windows" mantra that your superintendent preaches.
I get so confused when the laws and rules change everyday.
It worked PERFECTLY. Great plan, Rahm. Divide and conquer.
Now, the Department is chewing on itself from the inside out.
Don't you guys get it? You're playing right into Rahm's devious hands.
OMG LOOK 0_0 !
It's an $18 million dollar CRISIS that we can use!!
We should have the mayor appoint some of his clouted friends to create a $36 million dollar investigation unit that will get to the bottom of this wasteful spending of $18 million dollars.
Maybe some of the Daly's are available to run it?
Anonymous said...
Not all coppers on disability get good spots like Lappe did. Then again he always had good spots even before he got hurt. Once again we see that we as coppers can never stick together and coppers like Lappe and Shields will gladly say what they want and sell out there own. By the way the FOP is not a Labor Union.
Thanks Lappe and Shields for crossing the line and thanks to the pension board or whoever released the disabled coppers information. I just wish that one time we could repay these backstabbers and civil rights violators for the obvious violations of coppers rights but as always when your own, Lappe and Shields, sell you out who will step up and correct the wrong done to these disabled coppers for the harassment and violations of their privacy rights?
Greg Bella would never have even talked to the Sun Times unless it was to set the record straight.
7/15/2012 02:52:00 PM
Ask bella about missing funds from fop? ask his buddy grieger who is getting sued and suing the FOP you know taking "our money," Bella just a blowhard!
It all comes down to a matter of character and GREED...nothing more than common criminals who care nothing about the big picture and are so self centered that they'll do whatever it takes to fullfill their own needs.
7/15/2012 12:43:00 PM
a fine summary description of every single fucking politician spawned by the cook county democratic machine.
your wonderful self included.
Just talked to a buddy at fire, he said sun-times has a big story coming up on them to make our story look weak in comparison! Looks like rahm is declaring WAR on us CPD and CFD by releasing lots of info,and in the case of CPD in today's times ILLEGALLY maybe?
Anonymous said...
Not all coppers on disability get good spots like Lappe did. Then again he always had good spots even before he got hurt. Once again we see that we as coppers can never stick together and coppers like Lappe and Shields will gladly say what they want and sell out there own. By the way the FOP is not a Labor Union.
Thanks Lappe and Shields for crossing the line and thanks to the pension board or whoever released the disabled coppers information. I just wish that one time we could repay these backstabbers and civil rights violators for the obvious violations of coppers rights but as always when your own, Lappe and Shields, sell you out who will step up and correct the wrong done to these disabled coppers for the harassment and violations of their privacy rights?
Greg Bella would never have even talked to the Sun Times unless it was to set the record straight.
7/15/2012 02:52:00 PM
I believe Lappe taught at the academy and then was on tact in 016 when he was shot. Nothing bogus about the shooting, he came close to dying, I remember that shooting. I was amazed he came back.l I say God Bless him, I begrudge Mike Lappe nothing.
IOD disability is in the contract, non-IOD is not. That is why all officers are offered Long Term Disability at least once in their career along with term life insurance. I had several chances to buy Long Term Disability and carried it until I had 20 years on. That guaranteed that if I was hurt or got sick off duty I would get at least 60% salary if unable to work.
Once you qualify for pension you can drop LTD.
We have all seen scammers. It is interesting to read of the many comments suggesting what to do with the scammers. But not one comment was from a PO who would themselves turn in a scammer and give evidence against one. People only want someone else to do the heavy lifting regarding scammers.
Don't like the scammers? Turn them in yourself.
When you try to report a scammer then YOU are the bad guy. It's a no win situation. More people protect scammers then anything else. (I'm not referring to legitimate IOD's)
Ladies & Gentlemen, please post this where you feel it is appropriate. I work at Clark & Randolph, allow me to share a bit of information with you.
Mr Emmanuel does not care about police safety, fire, teachers or any of the almost one thousand people shot so far this year, Nor does he care about any of the neighborhoods. Nor does he care about the future of this city. Shortly after being elected, we were at a mtg with his closest advisors and they announced the NEW MAYOR will make minor changes but he wants to be here only one term. He has his sights set on Quinn ( he thinks he's a dummy and beatable). He then wants to become President. He has said if Barack can win, so can I.
Going back to the meeting, we were openly told the strategy is for Mr Emmanuel to get the finances of the city in order and then run on that platform for Governor. He will then run for Governor on the premise of straightening out the states finances and then he will run for President on the same strategy.
HISTORY: Emmanuel had no experience in Banking and has no MBA yet he was appointed as an nvestment banker and he earned 18 million dollars in 3 years with the help of President Cllinton.
Emmanuel was named to the Board of Directors of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) by President Clinton in 2000. His position earned him at least $320,000, including later stock sales.He was not assigned to any of the board's working committees, and the Board met no more than six times per year.
During Rahm's time on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandals involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities. The Obama Administration rejected a request under the Freedom of Information Act to review Freddie Mac board minutes and correspondence during Emmanuel's time as a director.
( See Ross investigative reporter as cited in wikipedia)
City Hall knows that CPD is down 3,000 to 4,000 Officers but Emmanuel doesn't care about safety and wants to use the money for his ultimate political strategy. As far as contract negotions, they want to stall as long as possible ( another 24 months ) and then he will be running for Governor, and he said the next guy can handle that.
What Emmanuel fears:
1. Any reference to the fact that CHICAGO IS THE MURDER CAPITAL OF AMERICA.
2. Any reference that more people were killed in Chicago this year than in the war zone of Afghanistan. ( a reporter asked about this and he stormed out of the room and this reporter was banned from city hall). Make no mistake, he has a very close relationship to the Editors and News Directors but that is starting to strain. By the way, have you noticed how quiet Jesse has been with all the violence? Im sure you know why.
3. Impending Teachers strike because that will keep more of the hoodlums on the street instead of in school.
4. Any references to the already 7 vacations he has had in his first year (on city tab).
5. Anything that cast his running of the city in a negative light which will hurt his political aspirations.
6. He is schocked how McCarthy is working out. He can't CONTROL the cops and get more out of them even though they have 1/3 less manpower. Nor can he control crime as he guaranteed with his east coast model of comstat.
Please be very safe out there.
This guy's a beat-off! People can say he had a guide carrying his rifle, etc., but no one can deny he is milking the system! He played the system big time. I know most of the Officers on disability are legit, and it's clowns like this that give the legit Officers a bad rap. Same as those on the medical or iod. The vast majority are legit, but there's a few who just play the system on a regular basis, and it's those Officers who need to be called out. In my 25 yrs I've seen many Officers sustain severe injuries but returned to work as soon as possible, because it's the right thing to do. To those Officers, I tip my cap. To the abusers, GFY!!
I hope they go straight to jail for faking and being dishonest.
Asked how he’s able to shoot a rifle but not safely fire a handgun, Siedlecki says, “Traveling on safari with your son doesn’t equate to discharging a weapon on your hip as a police officer on the streets of Chicago.”
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but where does Siedlecki say he shot a shotgun and killed those animals? He said he traveled with his son. Also these pictures could be his sons kill. I had pictures taken with King Kong and The Great White Shark from the movie JAWS at Universal Studios, did I kill them?
I would laugh my A$$ off if he didn't shoot those animals and just went to Africa to keep his son company. I do not know Chuck, but I know of him and I hear he is a very smart man.
Well I know the Sun Times doesn’t have good reporters on staff but Jesus all they could find was donations to Burke for $2000.00. In 10 minutes I found Siedlecki’s mommy Celene’s funeral home gave Burke and the Cook County Democratic Party more than
$ 10,000.00 over the years.
Most of the donations were for the 14th Wards yearly ad book. The Ad book scam is were the wards precinct captains and others sell quarter, half and full page ads in the wards ad book. Unfortunately for the ward organizations they have to actually print the books. The ward then leaves them for people to take at their annual fund raiser or around the ward office. It’s a total scam believe me the printer is the only one looking at the book, nobody else.
Furthermore, Celene herself gave $ 1000.00 to Daley and they also mist Siedlecki’s law firm on 105th and Western gave more than $ 3000.00 to Burke.
So let’s see $ 15000.00 in contributions will get you paid for a life time. …nice
Charles you sir are a pig, please step back from the trough you have eaten enough.
I know you’re not a copper and probably never really were, but I bet you tell everyone you were, but sir you were never and you are essentially stealing from the hardworking policeman’s pension fund. Seriously, haven’t you taken enough? Tomorrow have some balls, no really have some balls and do the right thing. Go down to the pension board and tell them you’ve had enough, but I know you won’t. Why you ask because you Charles are a pig. Officers and citizens that read this blog remember this family Charles’ law firm is Charles Siedlecki, & Associates located at 10540 S. Western Ave Suite 410 Chicago, IL 60643. Celene’s funeral home is Thomas McInerney & Sons 4635 S. Wallace St. Chicago, IL 60609.
Two things, first to the Sun Times…hey… step up you game a little bit…come on.
In advance to anyone sticking up for Charlie and his family, don’t bother I don’t care, fuck him and you.
check out the dogs from 1986....lots of scamers...one guy hurt his back...25 yo....wife didnt want him to be police....still getting a pay check and taking care of the fire dogs....superman
Anonymous said...
Not all coppers on disability get good spots like Lappe did. Then again he always had good spots even before he got hurt. Once again we see that we as coppers can never stick together and coppers like Lappe and Shields will gladly say what they want and sell out there own. By the way the FOP is not a Labor Union.
Thanks Lappe and Shields for crossing the line and thanks to the pension board or whoever released the disabled coppers information. I just wish that one time we could repay these backstabbers and civil rights violators for the obvious violations of coppers rights but as always when your own, Lappe and Shields, sell you out who will step up and correct the wrong done to these disabled coppers for the harassment and violations of their privacy rights?
Greg Bella would never have even talked to the Sun Times unless it was to set the record straight.
7/15/2012 02:52:00 PM
Yes; Mike Lappe always had a good job. He was a tact. guy in a district. He was never in a "specialized" unit and probably did more police work both before and after he was shot in a few years than you've done in your whole pitiful career. Here's a guy who got shot in the line of duty who had the guts and desire to come back and be the police. You, on the other hand are a sniveling pussy who probably works the desk and beefs because you may have to put in 6 hours tomorrow. STFU you moron.
I wonder if the sun times knows BURKE is head of the finance committee, the SAME committee who approves whether you get disability???? And I wonder if, or how many of these people have some connection to BURKE, IN FACT, I SEE ONE NAME WHO WAS BURKES FORMER BODY GAURD..............
Saw the article in the Suntimes of some of the injuries sustained to some of these officers, and what a joke,you tell me they can't work again and there getting a check for the rest of there lives, come on, what a scam.This is a slap in the face to officers who have been shot,stabbed,and are back to work
Two words: Pedro Medina. He was a quadriplegic due to injuries in Afghanistan, but fought hard to rehab himself and is now back at work, teaching at the Academy. His story was in several newspapers, look it up. If he can come back and work, anybody can.
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
A bigger story would be the annual amount of money pilfered via Gold Braid pensions, and the multi-merit apple biters that receive them.
Undoubtedly there's more corruption to uncover in that travesty than could ever be found in this non-story. Gold Star Bossholes personify everything wrong with this department: envelopes plump with cash, "Chinamen", commiserating with storefront church "Men of God", secret study groups, nepotism and cronyism and utter incompetence rewarded, encouraged and perpetuated.
Too bad no one in the media has the stones to take up such an easy one. Fish in a barrel, all you publishing pussies.
7/15/2012 01:06:00 AM
You sound just like a hardworking copper that I knew that spend a few years in 011 and got fired because of telling the truth. Be careful, the assholes in charge don't like anyone telling the truth!
The only way any of these coppers are culpable of wrongdoing is if the medical board is rigged. If the medical board is rigged then indict a few of these medical professionals and things will change.
Everything is rigged in Chicago for those who have CLOUT!
No difference between the edical Board and the Police Board.
There are two standards in Chicago; one for those with CLOUT and one for those without. It think someone referred to it as the two-tier system of discipline.
It applies to discipline, assignment, promotion, disability, et al.
Chicago and the CPD are on huge joke!
Mayor Rahm "the Reformer" Emmanuel, the Jewish outsider to Chicago could clean Chicago up. He is the rightfully elected heir to the throne but lacks the intestinal fortitude that former Governor Rod Blagoevich claimed to have.
What a disgusting place, CORRUPTION everywhere you look.
Why doesn't the IG start investigating some of the crooked attorneys, doctors???
But, would Crook County States Attorney Anita Alvarez indict anyone, even with solid videotape???
Who was the initial rat behind this story to turn in those photos of the big game hunter?
I'm sure everyone agrees go after the true scammers, but not all are scammers.
The few ruin it for the many!
I have no problem with a duty disability if you are real. The CLOUTED faker assholes that are stealing from US deserve to go to jail!
Interesting that the list given to the Sun Times is not a recent list. That list was from Sept 2011, ten months ago. Seems like the Sun Times sat on this info for awhile. Also seems like this list was leaked to the Sun Times because there is no mention of the Freedom of Information Act. If that list was requested through legal channels it would be much more current. Matter of fact I bet some on that list have since retired or some may have returned to duty.
So if Lappe or Shields didn't leak that list they would be all over this going after the Sun Times. A big thanks to you two for being so stand up and sticking up for our disabled.
How about some true facts here? Disabled police do not give their guns back. They also pay into the pension fund just like they were working only the City pays their share, that's in the illinois law.
I'm sure most of the disabled would have really liked to come back especially if they could get a nice spot like Lappe did. Another fact: If they are put in light duty, which is not their choice but determined by the City, they lose many of their contract rights such as seniority, the ability to bid for a spot or a watch and their ability to take promotional exams and be promoted. Yeah they get hurt or sick and come back and lose most of their contractual rights and benefits, real fair huh? If they get put on disability they also go many years without any pay raises.
I remember a time on this job when we did not read some media nonsense filled with untruths and turn on our own like so many have here.
Thanks Shields for being a real stand up President. Nice job you did getting the truth out and sticking up for your FOP members. By the way Shields, just why is Lappe in charge of the Disability Committee if he is not on disability.? Seems like it would make much more sense having a disabled FOP member running that committee.
Mike Lappe really bit the hand that fed him. I was one of the working coppers that used to believe and feel sorry for him, until I discovered what he is truly all about.
OT SCC...this quote was lifted off of Ron Holts Facebook page..
"Never before in the history of American presidents, First Families and First Ladies has uncivil discourse been displayed in such a dispicable, disrespectful, disregard and devestating rhetoric as has the Obama family has had to endure. This dysfunctional diatribe comes from one of the members of the core of the very law enforcement agency that is responsible for the security and safety of The First Lady Michelle Obama, which does nothing more then fan the flames of the minds of would-be fanatical assassins. This form of vial and visceral verbage only smacks of subliminal racism once again exacted at President Obama. I am truly convinced and saddened that some "Americans" cannot get over the real idea of having an African-American president in the SEAT OF POWER and his family living in the "HOUSE" where ultimate decisions are made and the fate of the NATION resides in the hands, heart, spirit and conscious of a man with moxy and swagger!!!!"
Its sad to see people rip other officers when none of you know the facts of each person and their disability. You truly should be ashamed if you have done his. Stop the judging by reading the paper full of bullshit.
Anonymous said...
Hmm run this IR number brothers very interesting! 1712392
7/15/2012 03:45:00 PM
Why not just clue us in? Putting the IR# online in a public format just whets IAD's appetite to screw those who are naieve.
Mike said...
response to the 12:31 am post:
For the record readers, I did in fact mention to Mr. Novack that as the Chairman of the disability committee, CPD Human Resources has monies set aside to train an officer who may be placed on the disability roll, for another profession. Also, if an officer wishes to remain on the CPD from an on-duty IOD injury, the committee has contacted H/R in an attempt to reassigne an officer into a limited duty position, other than call back.
Lastly, the FOP President & 1st Vice President did in fact call Novack out on the method he was investigating officers to compile his story. I witnessed it myself.
So please don't assume that that key points were not mentioned during my conversation. They were. My comments related to this readers and others concerns were omitted from print.
Stay Safe,
Mike Lappe
7/15/2012 07:36:00 AM
Mike,
You have run for Alderman in the past and are very familiar with the media. Do you really expect us to believe you now?
Please retire and GTFA!
This should be an outcry to the mayor that is forcing officers on disability rather then letting them work in areas within the dept. There are too many secretaries that have phone calls and will never have to work the street. One from our dist. just landed an inside spot, father is a retired boss. Surprised no one.
Many positions need to be filled by sworn members
Anne Burke and Eddie Burke got alot of people hired that should not have been hired, via lawsuits.
Anne and Eddie Burke have also kept alot of CLOUTED POS's on the CPD that should have been fired.
The Burke's CLOUT is legion!
OT regarding "Pasor Brooks" allegedly walking across the US....
The guy probably goes through all the drive thru restaurants to fuel up. One sack for now, the other one to go as i get further away.
I don't normally post on this Blog but after looking at the article and some of the BS statements I had to put in my own comments. After looking at the list several names stood out as PO's shot in the line of duty and were left with debilitating injuries which left them unable to return to work. This shit house reporter sensationalized a story and painted all of those officers with the same brush trying to put them in a bad light. We should know that reporters of this caliber don't care about the truth only to sell newspapers. As for the piece of work who helped with leaking those PO's personal and medical information you will get your just dues someday. Just remember that those Officers started their tour on those fateful days and in a instant their lives were changed forever. This could happen to any one of us reading this Blog.
Do not buy into the lies this reporter has put out.
Where is the FOP?
Why don't they put Jimmy Mullen or Densey Cole on the front page?
We all know that they are faking it.
I would love to see the spineless, heartless pricks defame either one of these two heroes.
Thats all you hear is lets give Jackson some privacy and concern now that he has a mood disorder., but the media outs police, shot and seriously injured on the job. FUCK YOU SUNTIMES !!!!!!! GO protect the Jackson family now. Do an investigation on the Jackson family exploits. Old man Jackson and his love child, no support. Old man Jacksons Extortions. Sandy living in Washington since she was elected to office, and even her children attending school in Washington DC, they don't even hide it. Its a plethra of scams and scandals and the Suntimes does courtesy stories, never really investigating. The Suntimes is a joke and this story just confirms it. What about the State of Illinois and Chicago going broke? Hundreds of stories that really do affect the lifes of the citizens of this city and because of the non-ethical reporters of the Suntimes we will never read these stories. The Suntimes is a Political Rag of the Democratic party!
Anonymous said...
You're allowed to shoot a hippo? You probably could track something like that while riding a Rascal. It's like big game hunting a milk cow inside the stockyards. Ain't exactly sporting.
7/15/2012 08:51:00 AM
Dummy. Hippos kill more people in Africa than any other animal. Don't let the fat fool you.
Two words: Pedro Medina. He was a quadriplegic due to injuries in Afghanistan, but fought hard to rehab himself and is now back at work, teaching at the Academy. His story was in several newspapers, look it up. If he can come back and work, anybody can.
7/15/2012 10:30:00 PM
No disrespect to the officer, I commend him and thank him for serving this country. However, cpd finding a spot for him was more to make them look good. They didn't want to like assholes. My friend gave 25yrs of his life for this department, diagnosed with cancer and exhausted his sick leave. Was on the mend, begged to come back and least answer the phones until the dr released him for full duty. Department said, "No, go on disability." His spirit was broken because he truly loved his job, he passed 2weeks later.
Rahm can use these comments for his negotiation. Some of you want less Disability benefits because you "know" people are faking. You want less medical time because you "know" people are abusing. You want Limited Duty eliminated because you "know" they're faking. And you want the Disabled to have to come back and work the limited duty jobs you just eliminated. In earlier posts you wanted the FOP to do nothing to increase our pension (well you got that already). I read in these posts that we should stay low profile because we have jobs and make good money considering the job market.
These comments all save Rahm's negotiating team lots of work.
Stop rating each other out and look out for each other. Grow up and get over your petty jealousy.
I am on that list. i would of gladly shared pictures of my injury...my fused spine. I would of also let them take pictures of the cane and braces I use just to try to walk. I have to take 7 different meds every four hours ....so a total of 28 pills a day. I doubt I will have much of a liver in a few years. My whole life got completely fucked up. From working out everyday and being active....to fucking gardening now ....I can't even make love to my wife like I used to.....great life huh? Finally have my name in the papers.....imagine seeing that and now reading some comments here.....like I did something wrong?Anyhow....here is the picture they could of used:. http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.103572909788062.7209.100004060597178&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=103572963121390&set=a.103572909788062.7209.100004060597178&type=3&theater
I seem to remember a female from 10 who went on duty disability - then went on to have FIVE kids - last sun times article had her suing her obstetrician for $$$$$$
Two words: Pedro Medina. He was a quadriplegic due to injuries in Afghanistan, but fought hard to rehab himself and is now back at work, teaching at the Academy. His story was in several newspapers, look it up. If he can come back and work, anybody can.
7/15/2012 10:30:00 PM
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People with fractured backs don't always heal. People with MS have invisible neurological damage. People with heart problems can't always be fixed. Those with incurable cancer can't come back like Medina.
I truly applaud Medina, both for his service and for his determination to recover, but his case has NOTHING to do with anyone else's case. All cases are different and unique to the individual involved.
Your comment was uncalled for and totally off base.
7/15/2012 08:49:00 PM
sweet.
and i mean that sincerely.
Chalkie
7/15 9:50pm
I remember him as a range officer and working tact team in 016 is about the softest tact spot there ever was. The point was that some guys who get hurt get good light duty jobs but not all of those on Duty Disability who got hurt ever got the offer or the chance to get a light duty spot let alone a good one.
I worked with a guy who spent all his years on the west side. His light duty job for getting run over while saving another cop's life was a great spot on afternoons in the call back unit even though he had been a bid guy on straight days.
So not all those on disability are scamming and not all those are offered any kind of light duty spot at all.
It's unfortunate that injured police officers can't be given jobs that don't require "peace officer" circumstances. Injured cops could help investigators, work at the crime lab, etc. However, ANY police officer is expected to be able to keep the peace. This means effect an arrest, chase a suspect, fight, and yes, draw a firearm from a holster in a split second. If any citizen were accosted by one of our city's notorious gang-bangers on the Mag Mile, and a cop with an injury/disability couldn't take 100% action, the citizen would e screaming about having unfit cops on duty. The officer must be able to draw a firearm on a fraction of a second's notice, aim, and hit his target. The circumstances of a safari are much different than chasing a gangbanger down the street who suddenly decides to fire back or fight back with the intention of killing the officer.
This article is one of the most misleading, one-sided, divisive rants I have ever had the displeasure of reading. To start, some facts should have been revealed. Police Officers who are injured on duty are not legally entitled to sue their employer for their injuries under an indemnification clause. Individuals who are employed at companies with workforces equal to that of the CPD would be entitled to receive monetary settlements based on degree of injury, body part, etc.
Secondly, officers who have been off longer than 1 year must medically clear through a city physician to return to work at all. Even if an individual is capable of 'desk duty', under the current terms, an officer must be able to effectively able to discharge and protect their weapon at all times and be physically able to effect an arrest and subdue an offender, to return to work at all. There is a large degree of culpability for doctors to state that someone is capable of returning under these requirements. Should they clear an individual to return and that officer proves to be incapable of these requirements the blame will rest squarely on the shoulders of the physician. The injured officers did not set these terms.
The inflammatory trumping of disability benefits to police officers needs to be tempered by the facts that they are subject to substandard medical care, not eligible for worker's comp settlements, and now public harassment from the media and the public at large.
Accurate statements found on Sun Times Comments
I have been working for over ten years with a handful of sick days.
7/15/2012 07:22:00 PM
then you're about due.
Chalkie
Check out these murder statistics
Chicago 272
New York 189
Los Angeles 147
New York 3x the population.
It is not working.
7/15/2012 03:14:00 PM
au contraire, mon amour, au contraire .....
Chalkie
How about they do a story on the mopes on SSI disability and the lives they live.
7/15/2012 01:04:00 AM
How dare you point out a scam supported by the Democratic Machine! How would they get their votes?
Gutless journalists won't touch that one with a ten foot pole.
Anonymous said...
Those people on light duty now should be investigated also and prosecuted if they are faking there pain and etc. It's time to stop this abuse some of these doctors might be getting paid off. anyone who is disable and can work a different job should be fired from the police department so they can find a place where they are happy..............
7/15/2012 03:18:00 PM
Becareful 'minuteonthejob', it could happen to you. Try finding any job in this economy and it's alot worse if you're disabled. Too bad that they're letting so many pinheads like this on the job.
"Headline says City paid $18 million; story says Pension Fund paid $18 million."
City pays the $ in to the pension fund. So no diff. However, it does mean that the dollars are eating away at the $ available for pensions. All government pensions funds are underfunded by billions and there is not money to catch up. That is what municipal bankruptcies are for. And they are just starting.
7/15/2012 05:39:00 PM
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Bad assumption. It isn't "the same difference".
A pension fund does not exist on the contributions; it exists and grows based on the INCOME generated by the contributions. Stocks and bonds bought by the fund, real estate investments bought by the fund...that is how a pension fund is able to pay out more money than is 'contributed' into it.
In our case, WE are paying into our fund. The City failed to pay its fair share for many, many years, thus depriving our fund of the chance to invest that money and grow that money the way it SHOULD be grown.
Our latest mayor has publicly declared at press conferences, that he will not ALLOW the City to pay into the fund, although it is required by State law that he do so.
Our pension fund would likely be fine, if we were not the ONLY ones funding it! Someone needs to sue this self-proclaimed tsar and perhaps arrest him for dereliction of his mayoral duties and violation of State law. Maybe we all need to sue him individually and 'redistribute' his many millions.
To 7/15 @ 252... GFY!! Mike Lappe has more balls and more desire to be the police than you can ever hope to have. He is a gentleman and comes to work every day despite his "handicap" to be the police! You could only wish to have half of his dedication. God bless you Mike! And to the spinless wonder who obviously knows nothing about Mike.. Before you go cutting anyone down... You should find out a little about that person and you would know the guy is a hero. Sgt. Mark Golosinski
7/15/2012 08:49:00 PM
Thanks for that info. This will need to be looked into further. Corruption is the name of the game in Chicago.
Some of these assholes belong in the joint. They stole our money. Doesn't mommies funeral homes provide them with enough money, oh I am sorry that would be like working for a living.
What scumbag attorneys, pension board members, police officials, whore aldermen and FOP members were involved.
I would like to see a FEDERAL GRAND JURY empaneled.
Everyone knows the SAO and the AG office won't do anything because of their own political scams
SOMEONE SHOULD BE IN JAIL, ESPECIALLY THE SLOB ON THE FRONT OF THE SUN TIMES.
Some of you morons think if you can work another job you shouldnt be on disability. Other jobs (non-security or police related) you can work through pain. In a police job, if you are in pain or can't run you can easily get yourself killed or your partner. Things arent always what they appear to be! Abusers are upsetting but this is not why the city is broke! This is a STORY to get everyone to hate the police during contract time.
It's an $18 million dollar CRISIS that we can use!!
We should have the mayor appoint some of his clouted friends to create a $36 million dollar investigation unit that will get to the bottom of this wasteful spending of $18 million dollars.
I love this comment! So true!
OT SCC...this quote was lifted off of Ron Holts Facebook page..
"Never before in the history of American presidents, First Families and First Ladies has uncivil discourse been displayed in such a dispicable, disrespectful, disregard and devestating rhetoric as has the Obama family has had to endure. This dysfunctional diatribe comes from one of the members of the core of the very law enforcement agency that is responsible for the security and safety of The First Lady Michelle Obama, which does nothing more then fan the flames of the minds of would-be fanatical assassins. This form of vial and visceral verbage only smacks of subliminal racism once again exacted at President Obama. I am truly convinced and saddened that some "Americans" cannot get over the real idea of having an African-American president in the SEAT OF POWER and his family living in the "HOUSE" where ultimate decisions are made and the fate of the NATION resides in the hands, heart, spirit and conscious of a man with moxy and swagger!!!!"
7/15/2012 10:52:00 PM
You are not much of a friend if you posted this off Ron's page ... so what if he is drinking the Obama kool aid ... it will end in November ... Then we will all be looking forward to the Obama Special employment starting up again to help with security of the ex President.
Sielecky probably got his law degree paid by CPD as well with tuition reimburse ment. What he did is wrong , his behavior milked the system for all he could get, just another clout baby from the Daly era,
Dummy. Hippos kill more people in Africa than any other animal. Don't let the fat fool you.
7/15/2012 11:21:00 PM
if only i'd known this before my three marriages.....
Anonymous said...
Mike said...
response to the 12:31 am post:
For the record readers, I did in fact mention to Mr. Novack that as the Chairman of the disability committee, CPD Human Resources has monies set aside to train an officer who may be placed on the disability roll, for another profession. Also, if an officer wishes to remain on the CPD from an on-duty IOD injury, the committee has contacted H/R in an attempt to reassigne an officer into a limited duty position, other than call back.
Lastly, the FOP President & 1st Vice President did in fact call Novack out on the method he was investigating officers to compile his story. I witnessed it myself.
So please don't assume that that key points were not mentioned during my conversation. They were. My comments related to this readers and others concerns were omitted from print.
Stay Safe,
Mike Lappe
7/15/2012 07:36:00 AM
Mike,
You have run for Alderman in the past and are very familiar with the media. Do you really expect us to believe you now?
Please retire and GTFA!
7/15/2012 10:55:00 PM
At least Mike Lappe had the intestinal fortitude to sign his own name to his post.
PO Dennis Mushol
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Why does'nt the Chicago "media" talk about how this "Shitty" is totally ripping off the taxpayer. The city is budgeted to pay 13,500 police officers, yet how many officers are there in actuality maybe 9-10,000. So that means the taxpayer is paying taxes to pay the salaries for 3,500 police officers that are non-existent! Every year! 3500 multiplied by say 80,000 equals 280,000,000 dollars a frikin year!!! Thats 280 million every single year people! But Shitbag Times is doig a front page article on 370 police officers that are on disability. WOW! Lets see if any reporter has the balls to report on this. In this city... Not happening. Sad times we live in people. Be Safe
I find it odd that the basic theory involved here seems to be that once a cop always a cop. The city has many other jobs that cops who become disabled could take up.
There are plenty of city jobs that do not require any special skills. Its not like you need to have a college degree or an extensive apprenticeship to drive a garbage truck or be a 911 dispatcher. I do not believe the average cop to be so clueless that he or she could not be gainfully employed doing something else.
The pension plan disability could pay them the difference between what the salary would have been as a cop and what it is in the new position if it pays less.
The retirement benefits don't seem out of line either. The guy went on the job and part of the deal was a pension at the end of the line. If he gets hurt and has to go do something else, basic fairness seems to dictate that whatever pension benefits were promised him upfront should still be there.
My guess is the disability system was never really thought out very well, and these anomalies are the result of a poorly thought out system.
It is not the fault of the disabled cop that the system is what it is. It does not appear like any of these people did anything illegal or cheated the system in some way.
Not a cop.
Anonymous said...
It is my understanding that our diasablity program was in response for the city of Chicago not paying into the states workers comp program. An Ofc that is injured is unable to sue the city. This program saves the tax payers millions of dollars each and every year. I love the drive by media, they only side with the politicians of this state . For the record , am a full duty officer with 22 years on the job. I am still working the streets but I can tell you this job has taken a toll on my body . Officers it is time you start knowing how we got our benifits. Our benifits arrived from politicians saving tons of tax dollars and putting them in there pockets.
7/15/2012 09:05:00 AM
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Having our disability come out of the pension fund really is strange. That's not really how it is supposed to work. I didn't know about the workers compensation thing though. Apparently, neither did the author of the Scum Times article.
More bullshit from the rahmboy/stinky dicky daley
press corps. Fuck them both & the local media that works for the corrupt political machine in this shitty city.
"In a police job, if you are in pain or can't run you can easily get yourself killed or your partner."
Then they can work a desk job. It doesn't appear anyone is breaking the rules, but it the rules that stink. Allowing someone to work another job while getting paid disability is not right. They should be given a police desk job for similar pay (or use disability to cover the difference in pay).
Anonymous said...
Some of you morons think if you can work another job you shouldnt be on disability. Other jobs (non-security or police related) you can work through pain. In a police job, if you are in pain or can't run you can easily get yourself killed or your partner. Things arent always what they appear to be! Abusers are upsetting but this is not why the city is broke! This is a STORY to get everyone to hate the police during contract time.
7/16/2012 03:21
This is a story to deflect from the embarassment FOP will need to defend! We will prevail!
Anonymous said...
There are a lot of people who are on disability role that would love to come back ... City doctor's won't clear them.
7/15/2012 09:51:00 AM
Yea Right, name 5...LOL
Don't be mad at the Sun Times, be mad at the guys who are scamming the system. I'm not a police officer. However, I go to WORK every day to earn my salary. If one of my coworkers was scamming the system and I was paying for it, I'D BE FURIOUS! The sad thing is: some of these guys are really hurt and now the whole system looks crooked!
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