Safety and Security Fee
- Chicago should impose a “safety and security fee” — as high as $5 a month on homes and businesses — to generate the $70 million needed to hire 700 additional police officers, an influential alderman said Thursday.
Ald. George Cardenas (12th), chairman of the City Council’s Health Committee, said Chicago desperately needs a surge in police hiring to ease a severe manpower shortage that has hamstrung the city’s ability to stop a surge in homicides and shootings.
If a $5 “safety and security fee” was tacked on to the monthly electric bill of Commonwealth Edison’s one million residential and 170,000 business customers and remitted to the city, it would generate the $70 million needed to bolster the force by 700 officers and bolster community policing, Cardenas said.
So.....what happens when the citizens (and "citizens") of the south and west sides argue that they are neither "safe" nor "secure" in light of a 30% increase in homicides, a sizable rise in shooting numbers and burglaries through the roof?
And we're sure Com-Ed would just love to be the conduit for all this money. How much of a "service fee" are they going to charge the city for being the bag-man....we mean middle-man?
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posted by SCC at 6:31 AM
163 Comments:
I kinda like that Cardenas guy's idea. Hell, I like any idea that taxes my constituents while they won't even know they're being taxed.
A fee for hiring police? And all these years homeowners and businesses thought they were paying property taxes for such basic city services.
Chicago, and other cities, are adding fees for things that used to be covered by taxes. So where are the taxes going?
Problem solved. THAT WAS EASY. Now, can I get an event number?
OT, but important.
Extremely busy day in Area North yesterday. Not enough rooms for arrestees, who had to be shuffled around from interview room, to line-up room, back, forth, ridiculous.
Also, there were NO radios available on 3rd watch by evening.
Because of the satellite offices, radios are all over the place. Since you have to use both offices, when everybody is in area north, radios are back at satellite offices.
Also, since cars are at satellite offices, there is a shortage of cars.
Det's working alone on cases with victims coming in, doing line ups, plus all paperwork. No fillers on some cases, dets filling in. Total clusterfuck.
Yes, this was a great idea. Unfucking, fucking believable.
McJuJu said he has enough police, and he and Flaming Tutu can find 600 officers on desk duty.
Really? Where? And if you're spouting that shit, why haven't you done anything about it???
Of course, media doesn't ask any follow-up questions.
Loves the props McBozo used though, the easel-board and all. Made him look more credible.
Bwahahahahaha!
VIVA LA REDISTRIBUTION!!!
You pay for programs for others
VOTE DEMOCRATIC and Keep It Going
The Shitcago Hous eof Cards they pay us to fees us to do What with the money?WHY 50 Aldercreaturers Cut Them and Save the Safety and Security Fee
When is the hamster going to stop with the self-aggrandizing bullshit commercials? Think of all the school supplies those millions could have bought. And notice the commercials primarily show his face, nothing more. He wants to be in your face and in your living room.
Wow $5.00 a month for businesses sounds fair when an individual homeowner would be charged the same.Wish I was a business. That would come down to fractions of a cent per month.
im erecting a windmill
We are already budgeted for 13500 Officers? Can anybody tell me were the money is because We DO NOT have anywhere near that strength on the job!
We as citizens will pay the fee right after the politicians eliminate the millions of dollars going to CeaseFire ( I mean CureViolence), and all the reverends that are getting taxpayer dollars. Once that goes back to paying for police officers, I am positive our monthly fee will go down! This is so typical of big government, if you want more, the government will grow and tax the people! Bastards
2.75 years to go and I get to quit this fucked up job
Does CPD even want more police? On other forums, the "current" CPD members argue they don't need the help. Not only that, but they seem to have something against people from the "safe suburbs" applying or getting on. The pompous attitude gets old after a while. It has me rethinking joining up with the city as a matter of fact.
it would be nice if the alderman also recognized that the city needs to start paying their share into our pension fund--- then we can hire more cops to patrol his ghetto illegal dreamer sanctuary dope dealing gangbanger ward....
OFF TOPIC:
A very important read about the POtuS
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Th'real' story of Obama.
Concealed carry is the answer.
it's worked in 49 other states.
it starts working the second the governor signs the bill
liberal democrats want high crime.
they want the populace fearful and dependant.
great way to grow the next generation of democrat voters.
allow crime to escallate, and then tell 'em you are gonna take the guns away.
it's worked well so far, right?
Couple Quick Questions.
I'm in North Carolina listening to Zone 6 over the Internet. I used to live in 13.
I have NEVER heard so many "no cars available" and having to notify Lieutenants and Sergeants about "backlogs" during daylight hours. Also many calls now require a backup.
I'm assuming that they just dumped a bunch of recent graduates into 7 and 8 and that manpower is unbelievably low???
Why don't we confiscate from every convicted felon their cars, bling, SSI payments etc. when they are incarcerated. Confiscate any real property from families and baby daddies of juveniles convicted of crimes. How about a larger use of convicted felons on "work crews" rather than letting them watch TV, use drugs and lift weights.
Not every person on the south or west side pays their electric bill...
are these the same dickheads banning CHic-fila??
Does this idiot realize how much it would cost for the moeny to be transferred around? What a bloody fool!
That's not to mention that legally, we pay taxes to the City so they can pay CPD salaries. This is like that bullshit KleanSlate that employs the felons to pretend to clean the sidewalks---citizens paying MORE for nothing.
Why don't THEY take a pay cut? They are over-compensated, bloated buffoons. Ask Alderfxxk Moron for some fried chicken.
I say we charge Baby Mama for her Drama! Bitch better pay up
well the "city" will get 3 and com ed will get two
pretty screwed when you taxes are high enough already
and now what happens if people cant pay?
no electric no police?
like that one town the let the guy's house burn because he didnt pay some fee to the city?
great thinking cardena
you can go to this house But not That one
i'm sure as usual there home owners that dont have any power
like the cigerette tax nails people that have no car or a way out to make a choice
The Poor
and the Very Same People that voted Tiny Dancer in :)
so does this mean all that talk by McStreetlight about more efficient use of manpower and doing more with less
was dare i say it wrong?
SCC & DSLC are right nobody can write stuff like this
amazing what these people try and actaully think they are great ideas watch slum times will hail it as the greatest thing since slice bread
Second City please alert the membership about the upcoming Pension Board Elections in October 2012.
We can't have Mike Shields doing two jobs any more! It's readily apparent that he can't handle FOP and Pension Board with all his blunders. These positions are full-time positions that require a dedicated trustee.
BTW, Does Mike Shields collect two salaries from FOP and Pension Board?
Anyone but Mike Shields for Pension Board!!!!
Ought to ask the Aldercreature, what is the best way to spend the money, on bike lanes or Police.
Take away the money from the bike lanes and use that to hire more Police.
And the aldercreatures would suck that money away into other programs.
So Cardenas wants to call it a "fee" instead of a "tax". Oh please let him pass it through council. When my house is burglarized, my car jacked or my kid's iphone is picked I'll lead the charge in the class action suit against the city for collecting a fee for a service they didn't and couldn't provide.
12th ward citizens,
when you call for police service, just tell the dispatcher that you're the alderman's dad. a car will be sent to you right away. no need to add $5 to your electric bill.
Why not put it on the cell phone bills? That way dude and the criminals would also participate in this charge? They could raise 200-300 million with the explosion of cell phones! As a matter of fact in the areas with the most crime make it a $25.00 monthly fee, make it an extra usage charge!
Ah, but remember. None of those cops will be put into 16 where the most of that tax money will come from. Just more for Englewood...
FLOP Supports Great Another Fee on top of Dues!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh so 016 has to pay more, huh?
Why don't they just get rid of half of these useless Aldermen, and save a lot of money.
I'm all for the fee....as long as it is charged as a % of police services received. In other words if there are 100,000 homes in the district that 100,000 is responsible for the salary of however many officers are assigned to that district. Those who live in 016, 022, and 008 will probably only be paying about $1 per year because that's all the extra help those districts will get.
Also, I didn't realize new hires make $100,000 to start....that's what 1 million / 700 equals. Maybe I should quit and re-apply. Or maybe that is just the city's fuzzy math.
Well, I do want more police.
But I'd rather just take the money back from ceasefire, the shakedown revruns, all the not-for-profits that get grants to do community outreach, economic development, workforce training, summer jobs, program for at risk youth, etc.
All that shit is a boondoggle.
Neighborhood Chambers of Commerce should be supported by local businesses, not city hall. The whole Special Service Area program is Soviet. After school programs should be funded by fees from users and the coffers of the institutions within the community that run them. There should be no payments made to churches whatsoever.
Our bloated city government is just and elaborate wealth transfer scheme with crooked motherfuckers in government taking a cut everytime the money moves.
I am willing to pay the city for roads, garbage, libraries, parks, community colleges, police, fire, water/sewage, muni courts, limited free cultural programming, and maybe like 3 other things I can't think of right now. AND THAT'S FUCKING IT. Stop robbing me blind, Chicago!
What if each Alderfool gave up half a million of their discretionary funds? That's $25 million right there. in fact, maybe just the ghetto alderfools should have to pay that.
Why doesn't Tiny Dancer use some of the 16 million in leftover NATO funds to hire more cops? Why doesn't TD use some of the funding for the Maggie Daley library to hire more cops? Plenty of money around right now but spending it on more cops wouldn't benefit TD, his friends or any of the scum sucking leeches he associated with.
Hasn't Cardenas heard that we are “doing more with less” and CPD is not shorthanded, but rather fully staffed? Apparently Cardenas hasn't been listening to Tiny Dancer or McTool.
P.S. Screw you Cardenass! Here is a suggestion, why don't you and the other aldercreatures give up you “slush funds” that you people (and I use the word people loosely) get every year and stop wasting money on bullshit such as Tiny Dancer's Office of Illegal, I mean, New Americans?
So how much does that translate to when all of the shit neighborhoods cant pay and taxpayers are stuck with the remaining burden? Not to mention that, once again, decent law abiding citizens are stuck paying an extra tax because the savages in other areas cant stop killing one another. God I hate this town.
Three questions:
What are we paying taxes for?
How much does the Rham put on the police budget that should not be there?
Where is all the TIF money?
Right, a safety fee. Then what is the property tax for and all the other special taxes they have added over the years? They added a tax for police officers on to the ticket price for all sporting events. Then they slipped in the TMA's. Kept the tax though. Then they were negotiating with the sports teams to get police officers back for football games etc. and the city wanted to get the owners to pay the going rate for officers. But they already paid the "special tax" they countered.
Then there is the special 911 tax on everyone's phone bills. That was supposed to pay for the building of the 911 center back in 1995. Then the number of phone lines eploded with fax lines and cell phones. Then Daley raised the tax and started using it to pay for operations and they made it permanent. Plus now there is the special tax on cell phones to give a free cell phone to you know who. You gotta love this shithole city. Who steals more, a stick up guy with a gun or the Mayor?
What an idiot! Because of him I don't buy water in the city and this tax will make ComEd lose many of the so called Million customers he talks about. Doesn't he realize that electricity is now deregulated? Reduce the city council to 20-25.....that makes more sense! We don't need more fucking politicians taxing us to death and mandating how we should live!
Its simple why dont aldermans, mayor and anyone not doing shit take a pay cut and or down size. We would save millions a year!!!
I was going to make an intelligent rebuttal to imposing yet another tax on the people of Chicago, but 'ya know something, these City Hall f***s better start realizing that the turnip is running out of blood.
First it's " for the children ", now it's " for the Police "...no mention of " Maggie's Park " or bicycle lanes, so I guess a GFY will suffice.
Fox news interviewed a nice black man who said that the alderman should cut their salaries since it's only a part time job.
Need $70M to hire more police? Gee, eliminating the alderthiefs slush fund would just about cover that.
Alderclowns get at least 1.25 mill a year to "run their offices." 1.25 times 50 equals 62.5 million dollars. How about they donate these dollars for the safety and security of their constituents? Then we would only need another 7.5 million.
Why do we pay property taxes?
Bull sh-t , city cut 1,000 officers from our budget . Where is the Forensic Audit to find where the money budgeted for cpd went . Commanders are still hiding sworn officers inside . If the city pushes this BS through , every dollar spent on New hires must stay in the Neighborhood , not District . Set up a punch clock like watch man have and demand Police make rounds on every block in Beverly and Mt Greenwood.
Money would be better spent on Private security run by a neighborhood watch program .
Does any body know if Alderman Burke still has that Ridiculas security detail.
Scratch that $55 million dollar Maggie Daley Park brainstorm. The mere thought of draining the taxpayer trough for that bullshit makes me furious.
How about a $5,000 Eva Braun Park?
Both of their spouses should burn in Hell for all eternity.
I thought CRIME WAS DOWN???
I am very confused!!!!!!!! I thought the city has in its budget, for the past X amount of years to pay for 13,500 officers? WTF, and don't our taxes pay for all the police? Now I have to pay more money for police service?
I went to public school so sorry if I am a little slow, I don't freaking get it?
Oh and now 5-6-7-8 years later someone is admitting we have a police manpower shortage. I could have told you that while sleeping on my personal.
maybe just reduce the aldermen from 50 to about 25? that would save so much money! it would also reduce the number of $100,000 a year pensions for a part time job!i guess it would be easier to charge the working class $5 per month. within a few years that fee should climb to about $75 per month! remember... it's for the children.
Chicago crook county is already known around America as the most taxed place in America! The scum that run this place just keep hammering the citizens(mostly working)until they want to leave. All three of my siblings and numerous friends have moved to the western suburbs over the last 5-7 years. The big problem with a "tax" is the politicans never use it for what it's origonal purpose was. Instead they spend it on all kinds of other BS pet ptojects. Another bad idea from the over populated city council!
Cut out Maggieboxes and Maggieparks and phony "1890s" light poles with stupid "THIS IS A NICE PLACE" banners hanging from them, quit with the go-arounds and build-outs and "drainage grooves" and speed bumps and "street furniture" and all this other obstacle course crap, cut waste and fraud and theft and subsidies to "CeaseFire" and illegal aliens and useless NGOs, fire all the deadwood in City Hall, and you'd have your $70 mil and lots more.
Another trial balloon by the Evil Mayor to see if he can get away with a new fee. He doesn't want to raise property taxes although he is going to stick us with a $41 million increase in school taxes forever. Leess and less folks with money living in this cesspool to pay the bills. It is gonna get worse.
How about CeaseFire pays us $1,000,000 for a safety and security fee?
I think we should impose a BEAN tax.
or a tax on alderpersons who claim to have a f**kn idea what they have for an IQ.
Why don't they tax the air we inhale yet?????
How about a fee to adequately fund the police and fire pensions you and your fellow aldermen allowed former mayor Daley to ignore funding for years? Any comment on that, alderman? Putz!
"So.....what happens when the citizens (and "citizens") of the south and west sides argue that they are neither "safe" nor "secure" in light of a 30% increase in homicides, a sizable rise in shooting numbers and burglaries through the roof?"
When the $5 a month isn't enough, keep upping the vig to $50 a month, $500 a month.
If this camel gets its nose under the tent, the sky's the limit.
Either that, or impose fees according to crime rate. Areas which use the most police services would pay the most.
Racism!
Genocide!
Disrespectin!
Disenfranchisement!
ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM!
&c.
He must be Rahm's Bitch for this brainstorm. No aldercreature is allowed to have an idea without being told to. What about all the money we pay in property taxes for the full strength budgeted city departments? We are already paying a 911 tax on every phone! See how well that works? No one learned from that? Plus another fee on your phone bill to pay for the free phones for the 47% who will use up even more resources... WILL IT EVER END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't the Obamas and revs and pastors and Farrakhan and mosques and megachurches and "activists" and Jack and Jill and wealthy merchants (like JJJr.) and politicians get together and raise the money to help stop the daily and nightly slaughter in "their community?"
OR IS IT JUST TAKE AND TAKE AND TAKE, DEMAND AND DEMAND AND DEMAND?
What happened to all the payroll money, that is no longer paid when a police officer retires??? It appears to me, they should have more then enough to hire 700 more officers, without hitting up households with a service fee...
What about the welfare people that use the police services more then the rest of us??? We have to pay more for them too!!! Give me a break.
If I could sell my house which is up for sale, I would be out of here. Bye Chicago, you are soon to be renamed Detroit West!!!
now i want to hear little rahmbo say it. speak up boy, i can't hear you behind the podium. somebody get a step stool for this little disfigured boy, ha.
I thought the property tax increase again this year took care of Police & Fire protection . . well, maybe not!
Or the alderman could ask Rahm Emoneybags, who can afford to waste one million dollars of the taxpayers' money on Ceasefire, to cough up the cash we all know he has.
While he's at it, why doesn't he ask Rahm Emoneybags why the citizen's money- private donor millions that mysteriously did not get used for NATO security- is being used on a park and not on badly needed police protection here?
The alderpeople know our mayor is a hoarder and a crook- from the moment he took office he began hoarding millions of our taxpayer money with one agenda in mind- getting himself re-elected. Why doesn't this alderman call Rahm Emoneybags out on it instead of calling ComEd for help? wtf?
Just more money for the Mayor and Alderman to Pilfer!
To quote Rahm: It's for the children!
Da Pelon
TribTV's F__ebook comments page presents --
Another brilliant idea from the mind of traci --
"I mean, like, how can you, you know, put a price tag, on like, on, like, safety?"
omg omg omg w r dmd lol
>walks in front of hurtling taxi<
They should tag the $5 a month onto the Sewer and Water Bill. More appropriate when you of all the Crap the POLICE have to put up with Today?
Stay Safe
I already pay this fee. It's called my taxes. God I hate these crook politician fucks. I hate this city more everyday.
Service fee? Just what the fuck are my taxes used for?
Instead of all these pissass fees the pols need to have the gonads to raise property taxes.
At least I can write those off my state and federal income tax.
This nickle and dime BS is counterproductive.
I do have a suggestion though. How about just 25 alderman. That's an instant savings of say 10 million dollars between salaries, benefits, offices and staff.
Better yet how about just one aldlerman elected citywide? They always bend over for the mayor anyway..............
Or those of us that live on 2211. 811 or 1611 who never see the police
The working people will be stuck paying this fee of $5.00 because we all know that the so called ENTITLEMENT crew doesnt pay utility bills.
how about a call for service fee you call you pay
Saw channel 9 cover this very briefly this afternoon. The reporter stated "the city COULD use this extra revenue to hire 700 more officers". Nice to see they are admitting the manpower shortage, it comes much to late to even matter now unfortunately. What slays me is the fact that they pretend to create this new tax in the name of public safety while never explaining where all the money that was budgeted for 13000 police officers went. At best we have 9000 officers as of now, probably even less, so where is the money for the 4000 police we were supposed to have? They make it sound like 700 officers are going to close the gap, however, we had 500, 1000 officers retire within the last year or so? Something doesn't add up here, and the city is not being honest about their allocation of revenue. The city has plenty of cash to build Maggie park and bike lanes, but they have to add a special tax to hire police??? WTF!!! These thieving alder creatures and rat rahm are an outrage!
Why should I pay $5 every month for an officer to be assigned to a ghetto district. I pay enough in taxes! It's time for these mutts to start paying their fair share. GO ROMNEY!!!
I got a better and much cheaper idea.
The taxpayers should just buy the 10,000 or so gang members causing the violence an Iphone, a Play Station or/and and Xbox and then they'll be busy off playing video games and be off the streets.
Much cheaper than seven hundred $100K a year cops! I figure it would cost about two grand a pop at best. That would be about $20 mil. total and we could just take that money from the $55 mil. Maggie Daley Park project.
would work better if the city had a fee for being on a public-way after 2100 hours.
This again is the good people paying for the bad. But you will have to pay your electric bill so they don' cut off your cable tv which is what they care about so it's kind of clever
To bad most of the customers in the west and south don't pay their utilities anyway!!
A $1 Here a $1 There
Why 50 Alderman?????????
Priceless
$6 K in property taxes. Enough said!
This is BRILLIANT! Extend it to the rest of the budget! Since so many suburbanites come into the city for our festivals, beaches, bike paths, and work here, Com Ed can start collecting $5 a month for the Park District...IN THE SUBURBS! Or $5 a month from all those folks who fled to the burbs for 'good schools', otherwise we fix CPS. How many commuters are going to want to make that long daily trip if there are good schools everywhere in a safe, clean city? Bye-bye suburban house prices! Isn't that worth $5 a month to homeowners in Palatine and Downers Grove? Home Value Insurance dirt cheap. Now this might sound like blackmail to some, because it is! Pay us to keep what you have in the 'Burbs or we start to clean up our act. 'Lotta nice subdivisions you have there, pity if the reasons to live in your town went away...
"I say we charge Baby Mama for her Drama! Bitch better pay up"
--9/21/2012 07:56:00 AM
I heard that!
>stamp feet<
>double extra high five<
Whoo!
Let's cut the number of Alderthieves to 15. That would save 70-80 million, right there.
"Money would be better spent on "Private security run by a neighborhood watch program."
--9/21/2012 10:31:00 AM
Oh, yeah, perfect, operated by "community activists" and "revs."
We already created a "Blackstone Rangers/Black P Stone Nation/El Rukn" going down that road, and all we got was drugs, destruction, death, extortion, crazy violence, and the A&O Jeff Fort in the federal pen forever -- and his daughter, Ameena Matthews, working today for Dr. Gary Slutkin's CeaseFire!
Will the circle be unbroken...
Boy, if we can't recognize money down a rathole by now we don't deserve to survive.
"Anonymous said...
To bad most of the customers in the west and south don't pay their utilities anyway!!"
Sure, dude. Whatever you say.
BTW, Does Mike Shields collect two salaries from FOP and Pension Board?
Who cares? He does two jobs and has time for angry birds...he gets my vote.
Further in the article: "In certain neighborhoods, we need more boots on the ground...I'm just saying in some communities, there's a fear factor." Wait, isn't that raaaaaaacist?
Countdown to when he stands there and says with a straight face, "but I didn't raise your taxes".
Fuck you cardenass, Don't need your safety or security. I have my own, it comes in .357. And again the people who need it the most, cause the most and get their damn light bills paid by us anyway.
How about surcharging the neighborhoods where the most crimes are commited. Take it right otta the link cards, everyone pays, otherwise FUCK YOU Cardenas.
tell cardenas to tax all the unlicensed food vendors in his ward
or do they pay a street tax
We should have only 25 Aldermen or less to fund these new officers. These part time aldermen are expendable and serve no perpose.
Here is a great idea, we can fire half the aldermen and have enough money to hire a thousand police officers.
This most recent property tax was for Chicago Public Schools and and to quote Steely Dan, " You Go Back Jack And Do It Again, especially if it works and you can get away with it and
no repercussions from those
who you are doing it too.
Anonymous said...
"Ah, but remember. None of those cops will be put into 16 where the most of that tax money will come from. Just more for Englewood..."
YOU my brother nailed it dead center.....Pretty soon Peter is not gonna have anything to be robbed off!!!
former demoRAT-liberal turned extremely REPUBLICAN!!!! :)
We need the legislative ig to have more powers and a competent staff. This is be a way to really value the alderman
Safe from what, Officers arresting us on
fake charges so, they can later demand $5000.0
to not arrest us again.
Double taxation?
If they make it $5.50, then SWAT guys can get there take home cars and D-3 pay. I'm all for it.
can't get a car to respond to a noise complaint or a fender bender in 16. how in the world would it help me. city sales tax property tax amusement tax. dems love to come up with other fees. called an ambulance in feb. the city sent me a bill for 280.00. not covered by my insurance. fuck them all
But Scc, you claim that if we have the officers we will be safe and secure and more officers is the answer to all of our problems. Now you say that if we have the tax and get the officers you say we need the south and west sides still will not be safe. Obviously, the south and west sides will NEVER be safe and will always have shootings but from what all coppers are saying is that the homicides and shootings would go down if we had more bodies and it wouldnt be as wild as it is... YES, i am a copper scc. Yes I agree with what your saying... but, I do as I love and am playing Devils Advocate. Im all for getting more coppers on the street. However, the citizens of the south and west sides wont pay it anyway. We will pay it and we still wont get the coppers. The non taxpayers will still get it. Its a double edge sword. Its good, but its also crap in my mind. Fk the west side and its residents.
How about a 25 cent transaction fee on each link card purchase? Even tiny dancer couldn't steal that much cash!
How about surcharging the neighborhoods where the most crimes are commited. Take it right otta the link cards, everyone pays, otherwise FUCK YOU Cardenas.
9/21/2012 04:11:00 PM
Just who do you think pays for the link card funding?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here is a great idea, we can fire half the aldermen and have enough money to hire a thousand police officers.
9/21/2012 04:27:00 PM
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Really? An alderman makes more than a cop, but not 20 or 30 times more. Even with all his office staff and costs for the offices, I'm sure firing 25 of them wouldn't add up to more than 100 or 200 cops maximum. The population of Chicago is down about a million from the peak. 50 aldermen and 13000 cops might be right for a city of 3.6 million people. But for a city with 2.6 million? Some cuts are in order for both. Since when does an area like the 16th district rate 190 police officers and an area like the 015 district rate maybe 400? There aren't more people in 015. The only thing they contribute to the city is the crime rate. They are government recipients of resources and cash and it isn't helping.
We can't afford to support women with 4 bastard children that disrupt your free public schools, that throw out half the free lunch and breakfast they get at the free public school while still getting 100% of your Purple Link credit card for food. The children need special education because the teachers determine that since they're a minority they are special needs and require special education, at what cost? Try this on for size, your kids are either stupid or just badly behaved and shouldn't be in school since they are depriving those that want an education of it with their disruptions. Just how much emergency room costs and ambulance rides do these family of 5 cost society? Too much. Next, why a family of 5 require a 3 bedroom apartment. How much does that cost us? Not to mention the value of the adjoining property plummets because there are 4 mutants living next to you. Now we're finished with high school, the recent graduate reads at a 4th grade level and believes he or she is far to important to get a job at McDonalds. Just what the hell are you qualified to do with a 4th grade reading and math score? Our young ladies go about the business of having their own family, including all of the benefits listed above and the young men go about impregnating every female they can stick their penis in, add in prison and jail for around 20 or $30,000 per year and you are getting close to what public aid costs this state.
No wonder we're broke. This family of 5 will wind up costing the taxpayers maybe 5 million dollars for their useless, non productive lives.
Total scam. They can fill those spots with EXISTING vacancies, which are already in the budget! This new money would simply go into the general fund and used for other Stupid government ideas! again, tax so we can grow bigger government. I will believe this after the fill all current vacancies, and then charge us the fee to really bring on ADDITIONAL officers. We are not falling for that Rahm math again about 'more officers'!
The Logic of Homer Simpson.
SALESMAN
Intruders could come down the chimney, through the mail slot, even hidden in your groceries. Did you change the locks when you moved in? I thought not. All the previous owners of this house could still be in here somewhere.
MARGE
What do you recommend?
SALESMAN
Well, a lot of companies would put in a pretty system that looks good, but doesn't provide any real protection.
HOMER
Oh, let's get that.
SALESMAN
...But if you want to sleep easy at night, I recommend sealing off every door and window with bullet-proof Lucite.
MARGE
Wouldn't we all suffocate?
SALESMAN
(laughing) Well, I should hope not.
HOMER
Let's get that - the suffocation thing.
SALESMAN
And you can have it all for only five hundred dollars.
HOMER
Five hundred dollars? Aw, forget it.
He pushes the salesman to the door.
SALESMAN
But surely, you can't put a price on your family's lives?
HOMER
I wouldn't have thought so either, but here we are.
MARGE
Homer, we need something to protect this family.
HOMER
I couldn't agree more Marjory. You deserve piece of mind, and piece of mind is what you shall have.
Cut to a gun store.
HOMER
I'd like to buy your deadliest gun, please.
CLERK
Aisle six, next to the "sympathy" cards.
I already pay over $5500 a year in RE taxes, that include fees for Police & Fire I don't call, a Bd of Ed that I don't send kids to, Parks I don't frequent and Streets & San that come by twice a year to sweep the street and can't put a trash can back where the found it.
Hey Aldernut, how about getting your 'fee' from all the slack assed constituency that gets every government entitlement benefit this City hands out.
Asshole, absolute asshole.
Anonymous said...
Does any body know if Alderman Burke still has that Ridiculas security detail.
9/21/2012 10:32:00 AM
What about Shortshanks? Is he going to get free security for life? What happens when he's overseas? He was at the London Olympics--who guarded him then? Let that fat little fuck pay for his own bodyguard.
WTF is he, royalty???
What ever happened to the promise the city clerk made to get rid of city sticker fees and instead fees went UP, UP, UP????
Bwahahahaha!
Next up:
Adopt-a-Fireman!
Or are they free?
Start charging tuition to the illegals who suck out the cash of the public school system.
Do a study on the illegal parents who don't contribute to the tax base that fund the schools.
That ought to open a pandora's box.
Not every person on the south or west side pays their electric bill...
9/21/2012 07:53:00 AM
AMEN. All the "community organizations" in the "poor" neighborhoods are always filled to the brim with people getting State funding to pay their utilities:
http://www.ildceo.net/dceo/Bureaus/Energy+Assistance/Illinois+LIHEAP/
http://www.cedaorg.net/www2/EnergyAssistance.html
Anonymous said...
To bad most of the customers in the west and south don't pay their utilities anyway!!
9/21/2012 02:13:00 PM
Those utility bills get paid all rich, only you pay them. Just like you pay their LINK card bill and SNAP card bill and cell phone bill and Section 8 rent bill and gas bill for heat. You pay for all their shit, sho' 'nuff. You know what I'm sayin'?
Did you know that if you are a landlord and someone is trying to rent an apartment from you and you are figuring out their income you have to include the Section 8 money as part of their income? Wonderful, isn't it? And it is damn hard to get rid of one of them because the Section 8 rent money always comes so you as a landlord cannot claim non-payment as reason to evict.
I love it.
I have a rental condo and it is vacant because I don't want to rent to a shithead. Last time it was vacant all I got to look at it was west side shitheads with credit scores in the low 500's. I'll keep it vacant and wait to sell it rather than rent to a savage. Meanwhile I have to pay all the bills on time but not the animals.
Anonymous said...
Why should I pay $5 every month for an officer to be assigned to a ghetto district. I pay enough in taxes! It's time for these mutts to start paying their fair share. GO ROMNEY!!!
9/21/2012 01:07:00 PM
Unfortunately they will never pay their fair share and Romney doesn't have a chance.
The ones who use 911 the most, aka ghetto dwellers,
wouldn't 't be paying this monthly fee anyway.
Blah, blah, blah alderman
Why not tax WIC, Link, SSI and what evert else these freeloaders get from the government
I would like to submit the Alder-fine. The Alder-fine is simple..person gets killed in a district, the aldercreature gets fined .Person killed..$500 fine. Flash Mobs..$500 fine. All monies can be deposited in a Hire More Police Savings account at a bank to be named later.
I'm just sayin...
Enter: Cocked-Hat Private Security Contractors & Public Safety Customer Service Agents!
They'll be Rahm's New Chicago Police Department.
When Rahm follows through on his vow to shrink current CPD to under 5K.
The public shouldn't even be mad because Rahm is giving them exactly what they noddingly consented to...
The bullshit with Ceasefire was just a love tap to see if the public was paying attention...
They aren't...
We're witnessing the "how to" on the total upward fucking of a big city Police Department.
If Rahm & Co. succeed here, it will serve as a blueprint nationwide on taking a P.D. apart and rebooting it into God knows whatever the yellow-pinky lib-tard fantasy of the moment is...
OFF TOPIC:
A very important read about the POtuS
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama
Th'real' story of Obama.
9/21/2012 07:48:00 AM
OT- Rahm's comercial just makes everyone want to throw a brick at the TV. It's now totally true that everyone hates this guy. He wants national attention he got it and he looked like one of the biggest assholes in the western hemisphere. He's toast after Obumma gets bumped.
Anonymous said...
BTW, Does Mike Shields collect two salaries from FOP and Pension Board?
Who cares? He does two jobs and has time for angry birds...he gets my vote.
9/21/2012 04:03:00 PM
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Yes he does.
His police salary for the pension bd gig and his salary fromt he FOP as it's president.
If Rahm used the money he's spending on the after 'teacher strike commercials'
I'm sure he would've been able to hire a few officers.
Fuck you, George! You and the other 49 alder-thieves can kick back $100 of your bloated salaries each month. That will be a good start to fixing problems. Next, eliminate the ward slush funds. Do it, Rahm, if you have the stones!
I already pay almost $5 in taxes on my electric bill between the city and state. The city already gets $3.24 cents just this month alone. Now I have to pay more? Why are we burdened with these costs when the city sold a multimillion dollar revenue generator -The parking meters!
Why should private industry profit from OUR assets while we go broke and politicians make up the shortfall on our backs? Why doesn't this alderman brainstorm ways on getting the city out of a contract with Lazy parking company since a city asset that belonged to the people was sold by one person who had no right to sell it. I CANNOT AFFORD ANY MORE FEES, TAXES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. PLEASE LEAVE US ALL ALONE.
The aldermen agreed to give away a tremendously lucrative asset, so take the money out of your salary for the police. Jerks!
Here is another great idea. Why don't these aldermen vote to take our $5 fee from our inflated property taxes that the county/city don't need. We are overcharged so they can divert part of our payment to tiff funds that they give out to businesses that have way more money than I do. Take my $5 out of that. Heck make it $10. You're already taking much more to set aside so someone else can use it. Sick of it!
Instead of all these pissass fees the pols need to have the gonads to raise property taxes.
At least I can write those off my state and federal income tax.
This nickle and dime BS is counterproductive.
I do have a suggestion though. How about just 25 alderman. That's an instant savings of say 10 million dollars between salaries, benefits, offices and staff.
Better yet how about just one aldlerman elected citywide? They always bend over for the mayor anyway..............
9/21/2012 12:42:00 PM
Do a little research. Don't advocate higher property taxes. The govt including candidate Romney want to eradicate this deduction. It will happen and you'll be stuck with no return on a rape of your salary.
I thought the property tax increase again this year took care of Police & Fire protection . . well, maybe not!
9/21/2012 11:57:00 AM
Dear Citizens,
None of our property taxes paid in the City of Chicago pay for police. A portion goes to the Park District, a portion to Fire Dept., the largest portion to Public Schools and a portion to the tif slush fund. Who knows where else it goes but none of it pays for police service.
The Chicago Police Department's budget has historically been paid via ticket revenue. Our City leaders decided to sell this asset so the Police Dept's budget is now just too much for the City. There response was to enlarge the Dept. of Revenue and come up with street cleaning and other parking offenses to try to close the gap. Now this agency has grown to gargantuan size. The City, in it's attempt to solve the problem, has created another giant Dept. with a huge budget. Nothing has been achieved.
They should have just let the police do their job regarding ticket revenue rather than build another agency with a monstrous budget. As usual we will now have to pay more for all of these shortsighted decisions.
LOL. They already tried doing this at all the businesses in Flakeview and think we are none the wiser. My response was to.......just not patronize the businesses. Funds for public safety (a given in most other areas I've inhabited) should already be accounted for and not pilfered.....and not funded with yet ANOTHER surcharge.
Doesn't work fools.
Anonymous said...
Why not put it on the cell phone bills? That way dude and the criminals would also participate in this charge? They could raise 200-300 million with the explosion of cell phones! As a matter of fact in the areas with the most crime make it a $25.00 monthly fee, make it an extra usage charge!
9/21/2012 08:23:00 AM
We'd just have to pay it for them on their free cell phones.
Add that fee to all the others and the property tax increases and what percent is our cost of living going up in this shithole of a city? And your elected by the 47% who actually vote mayor, is taking away our cost of living raises. The govenor jello is going to put a state take on your pensions too. Like Madigan said, wait until January. And how many members here actually vote? Wake up people!!!!!
You Shitcago taxpayers are good at bitching on this blog. Try expressing yourselves with your one vote.
Does CPD even want more police? On other forums, the "current" CPD members argue they don't need the help. Not only that, but they seem to have something against people from the "safe suburbs" applying or getting on. The pompous attitude gets old after a while. It has me rethinking joining up with the city as a matter of fact.
9/21/2012 07:35:00 AM
You're right. You shouldn't join us. Stay away.
Another way the city is going to nickel and dime you like the increase in water, parking tickets, parking meter fees, parking fee taxes, etc. etc. etc. This way they can say we are not increasing your property taxes. If I read this correctly the fee is aimed at homeowners and businesses. If we are going to impose this fee it should be for ALL electric bills not just homeowners and businesses. WHAT CUTS HAVE THE ALDERMAN TAKEN?
Surprised so many of you were so hostile to this idea. We do need more cops, as you keep saying. Something must pay for it. I'd be willing to pay a hell of a lot more than $5 a month for another thousand or so police. But I agree with somebody else on this thread who suggested tying it to usage. Englewood, Ogden, Lawndale residents pay more. Lots more because their communities suck more. Don't like it? Clean it up, get your children inside after dark, know where the hell they are and what they're doing for five minutes. Then you pay less.
Maybe, Ald. Cardenas should get cozy with Proser Career Academy Principal Kenneth Leon Hunter. Hunter could give Cardenas some money from his Prosser disretionary fund, which needs not be itemized or reported to the board. Hunrer gets the money to spend how he sees fit, like on for:
-his '$300 catered, invite-only' birthday party last year.
-trips to Birmingham, England with a chosen few students and 'pet' prosser staffers.
-hiring a retired Prosser teacher to double dip as his toolroom operator, unfortunately Prosser doesn't have a toolroom. The toolroom operator gets $35K+ health benefits and sick days in addition to receiving his $95K/year pension from CPS. Plus, the 'toolman' got his daughter a teaching job at Prosser.
-hiring a admission reps/football coach without a college dgeree and a self-admitted 'elder' member of the Insane Unknowns street gang for $56K/yr. Prosser's football team is 0-3 and have been outscored 173-0 this year.
-buying bagels and donuts for his staff, like he did on Thursday.
Wow when I cant pay my light bill I'll be screwed because we all know the more light the less dark there is.
God, I hate this town. I can't wait to get out.
Swan Lake's commercial is the icing on the cake. Un-fucking-fucking believable.
--No Cop Here
Listen guys stop the we're budgeted for 13,500 police officers, 9.5 CUT from the police manpower 2,500 unfilled position so the department wouldn't be short on manpower. So 2,500 positions cut means the police department is budgeted for 11,000 sworn personnel. That also justified closing police districts and two Areas. Now my question is, before eliminating these 2,500 positions we were budgeted for and taxed for 13,500 police officers. Why wasn't the department maintained at 13,500 officers and if the positions weren't filled where did all that money go? Now I came on in 1992 where you had a Loop Traffic, Detail Unit, and every city event and sporting venue had police working them. Now fast forward to the late 1990's and what started happening? The birth of OEMC, TMA's, and Department of Revenue trippling in size. These agencies started performing duties that were once done by sworn police officers. Such as directing traffic in the loop, working baseball and football games, and writing parking tickets. Now I know some of you will say, I hated working those details and rather have civilians work them, but all that did was cause to need less police now. The question I keep asking myself is to start a new department(OEMC) and hire more TMA'S and Revenue people you need a budget. Where did the money come from? To pay for personnel, vehicles, and equipment. Could it be from the money slated to pay for the 2,500 police officers that were never filled? Since these departments have been formed,the money can't be returned to the police budget to pay for the 2,500 the department and city desperately needs. So now the city needs to find a new source of revenue to pay for the 2,500 officers the department is short. A $5.00 safety fee (word for NEW TAX) is being floated around to pay for additional officers. I blame the union for allowing police officers duties to be performed by non sworn civilians. I think we should get rid of OMEC, TMA'S , and reduce Revenue to just booting vehicles and put all that money back into the police budget and hire SWORN POLICE OFFICERS.
and these are the people that we elect to serve us at city hall, we are fucking doomed. Why ComEd? and not Peoples Gas or the water bill? someone should look into Cardenas relationship with the ComEd bosses smells rotten to me
These rats don't pay their electric bill!
A tax that has no guarantees that the tax will not turn into another city slush fund, or like state tolls in that, $5 won't turn into $12 dollars after 2 years, screw these politicans for mismanaging OUR money in the first place.
Each ward so be funded based on the taxes and revenue collected by the residences of that ward, and based on those funds is what city services they should be provided.
If this goes through, then they will raise the fee in the future. Also, they will find other things to impose fees on. The property taxes already pay for the benefit of enjoying your property with the protection of the police and fire departments. But this is a property tax disguised as a fee.
Be careful here. It starts with a $5 surcharge for more police. Then, the fire dept will need to hire more firefighters or maybe need new trucks and streets and san might need to hire some more door bell ringers etc. and before you know it, that $5 surcharge is now $50 a month. Don't open the door to these thieves. I agree with the idea that the community should come up with the money for their own protection. Ask the drug dealers to pitch in. As for my own neighborhood, I will gladly patrol while off duty free of charge.
Yea , and while your at it Rahm add another $ 5.00 a month for the underfunded pensions the city owes millions and millions........
Hey Rahm, How about setting up toll booths where the bike routes intersect, $ 5.00 for a day pass to help fund the underfunded pension funds . What say you Mayor ?
How about 'ummm, no'. No more taxes. No more fees. No more paying for bullshit that doesn't fix the problem.
This is just ONE more reason to not visit Chicago. Live in chicago. Work in chicago. Or have a business in chicago.
You want to reduce crime? Increase the number of cops on the street, and give each one a BIG phone book - let them use it at will against loud-mouthed street savages. Just like the old days - you don't want to get tuned up? Then shut up and go home. Now.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here is a great idea, we can fire half the aldermen and have enough money to hire a thousand police officers.
9/21/2012 04:27:00 PM
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Really? An alderman makes more than a cop, but not 20 or 30 times more. Even with all his office staff and costs for the offices, I'm sure firing 25 of them wouldn't add up to more than 100 or 200 cops maximum. The population of Chicago is down about a million from the peak. 50 aldermen and 13000 cops might be right for a city of 3.6 million people. But for a city with 2.6 million? Some cuts are in order for both. Since when does an area like the 16th district rate 190 police officers and an area like the 015 district rate maybe 400? There aren't more people in 015. The only thing they contribute to the city is the crime rate. They are government recipients of resources and cash and it isn't helping.
We can't afford to support women with 4 bastard children that disrupt your free public schools, that throw out half the free lunch and breakfast they get at the free public school while still getting 100% of your Purple Link credit card for food. The children need special education because the teachers determine that since they're a minority they are special needs and require special education, at what cost? Try this on for size, your kids are either stupid or just badly behaved and shouldn't be in school since they are depriving those that want an education of it with their disruptions. Just how much emergency room costs and ambulance rides do these family of 5 cost society? Too much. Next, why a family of 5 require a 3 bedroom apartment. How much does that cost us? Not to mention the value of the adjoining property plummets because there are 4 mutants living next to you. Now we're finished with high school, the recent graduate reads at a 4th grade level and believes he or she is far to important to get a job at McDonalds. Just what the hell are you qualified to do with a 4th grade reading and math score? Our young ladies go about the business of having their own family, including all of the benefits listed above and the young men go about impregnating every female they can stick their penis in, add in prison and jail for around 20 or $30,000 per year and you are getting close to what public aid costs this state.
No wonder we're broke. This family of 5 will wind up costing the taxpayers maybe 5 million dollars for their useless, non productive lives.
9/21/2012 06:13:00 PM
you're right. bad idea. fire all the aldermen.
"It has me rethinking joining up with the city as a matter of fact."
And yet we will still get along with out you.
I'm sure the people on the hire list wouldn't mind your dumbass deciding to work at a baskin Robbins with the rest of the college kids.
Stoke
Why not tax WIC, Link, SSI and what evert else these freeloaders get from the government
9/21/2012 09:40:00 PM
The government should tax itself? Yeah sure, they'd make a killing doing that. In fact, I'm going to charge myself a monthly fee to up my income. I want know what hit me!
"If Rahm used the money he's spending on the after 'teacher strike commercials'"
He's not spending the money. Those commercials are paid for by a New York-based organization called "Education Reform Now Advocacy."
ERNA is a cover for "Democrats for Education Reform."
Their Illinois State Director is
Rebeca Nieves Huffman.
Rebeca appears to be married to Craig Huffman, the Managing Director, Ascendance Partners.
Craig is a political contributor to both Rahm Emanuel and Obama.
He's also got BIG political connections to Obama.
See http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1835686,00.html#ixzz26bezEyQb
for how this guy's connected.
When I moved out of the city is was really messed up that was 8 summers ago.. hard to believe that it's gotten WORSE but it has.. IF you have a JOB you have a BULLS EYE on your back for the politicians to tax you.. mean time HOW much does one alderman make??? HOW much do 25 make?? they don't need to put in ANYMORE fees.. they need to do some firing ...
Charge $5.50 and let SWAT get take home cars. Forget the D-3 pay for SWAT. I want a take home car so I can respond to the call outs and be there for my fellow brothers and sisters in blue. The idiots SWAT Sgt's all have one.
people don't realize Rahm eliminated a the open and unfilled spots in CPD when he signed off on his budget. All that tax money is going to flower pots etc. That's why they need to raise more $$$
Obviously you can't do more with less
Anonymous said...
Charge $5.50 and let SWAT get take home cars. Forget the D-3 pay for SWAT. I want a take home car so I can respond to the call outs and be there for my fellow brothers and sisters in blue. The idiots SWAT Sgt's all have one.
9/23/2012 10:49:00 PM
Make it an even $10.00, WE ALL SHOULD HAVE TAKE HOME CARS!!!
Charge $5.50 and let SWAT get take home cars. Forget the D-3 pay for SWAT. I want a take home car so I can respond to the call outs and be there for my fellow brothers and sisters in blue. The idiots SWAT Sgt's all have one.
9/23/2012 10:49:00 PM
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Stay off the blog.
Charge $5.50 and let SWAT get take home cars. Forget the D-3 pay for SWAT. I want a take home car so I can respond to the call outs and be there for my fellow brothers and sisters in blue. The idiots SWAT Sgt's all have one.
9/23/2012 10:49:00 PM
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Stay off the blog.
9/24/2012 11:19:00 PM
Screw off GI. Since when did you become the boss of SWAT. You bitch and complain about the Detective List or how you were screwed over and you tell us to stay off the blog. Last time I checked you have a take home car. I don't care about D3 pay. I actually care about responding for my fellow brothers and sisters in blue.
Charge $5.50 and let SWAT get take home cars. Forget the D-3 pay for SWAT. I want a take home car so I can respond to the call outs and be there for my fellow brothers and sisters in blue. The idiots SWAT Sgt's all have one.
9/23/2012 10:49:00 PM
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Stay off the blog.
9/24/2012 11:19:00 PM
Screw off GI. Since when did you become the boss of SWAT. You bitch and complain about the Detective List or how you were screwed over and you tell us to stay off the blog. Last time I checked you have a take home car. I don't care about D3 pay. I actually care about responding for my fellow brothers and sisters in blue.
Look new guy save it!! Some of us have been here since HBT and have been promised D-3 pay. A take home car is part our equipment. So shut your mouth about our D-3 pay.
This is a BULLSHIT charge to the people of Chicago. I don't live where there are gang bangers nor shooting so why should I have to pay such. Why can't they use tax dollars since the taxes have gone up so much I'm sure there are funds there.
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