Contract Negotiations
We find it amusing (again) that the FOP and Fire Departments stand by their contentions that they won't negotiate in the press due to a "gentlemen's agreement" with the City. We again say such an agreement has power only when the people you are negotiating with are actually gentlemen.
We're pretty sure the teachers made similar noises in the past, yet all we recall from the past weekend are the anti-teacher ads littering the airwaves of both radio and television. You only have to scratch the surface to find connections to Rahm's political contributors.
The Tribune and Sun Times have behaved in what can only be described as slanted coverage. And their editorial pages? Even Mope-rah was beyond ridiculous the other day - her spine looks like a pretzel.
Now we're seeing a steady drumbeat of anti-police and anti-firefighter stories popping up in the Sun Times. Anyone else get the impression that these avenues are being pushed by the "gentlemen" across the table from us? As long as they have their lapdogs and proxies flinging crap at their request, the city can pretend their hands are clean while we fight a two-front war. And sorry to say, it looks like we'll fight it poorly.
We're pretty sure the teachers made similar noises in the past, yet all we recall from the past weekend are the anti-teacher ads littering the airwaves of both radio and television. You only have to scratch the surface to find connections to Rahm's political contributors.
The Tribune and Sun Times have behaved in what can only be described as slanted coverage. And their editorial pages? Even Mope-rah was beyond ridiculous the other day - her spine looks like a pretzel.
Now we're seeing a steady drumbeat of anti-police and anti-firefighter stories popping up in the Sun Times. Anyone else get the impression that these avenues are being pushed by the "gentlemen" across the table from us? As long as they have their lapdogs and proxies flinging crap at their request, the city can pretend their hands are clean while we fight a two-front war. And sorry to say, it looks like we'll fight it poorly.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
142 Comments:
Why do you think that public opinion will influence our contracts? Are people going to take to the streets and demand the city pay more to fireman and policeman? No. Whats more important is sticking together. And only worrying about what the people that control our contracts say and do.
With all the City representatives whining about how it's for the children, and how we have to forge strong alliances between teachers, the community and the students, you just have to wonder whose 'best interests' are served by slamming the teachers in the press and media, over and over again, the past week.
Only Rahm's 'best interests'. No one else's.
FOP President Shields where are you?
Too busy creating a fake contorversey with retirees in order to cover up the 5 page letter by a fired secretary?
Nice job with the smoke screen today.
OT.
Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
Well maybe if more ACTIVE DUTY police would get off their asses and get involved, you would be recognized as a group to deal with, instead it takes masses of retirees to fill that Lodge.
They have the mainstream media, we have SCC. So if you have some dirt, throw it.
For my part, I am surprised at the number of time I see the words "critical shortage" in Department missives when referring to manpower needs. I thought we were 'properly' staffed?
OK. I tried the words "staffed" and "manned" in the last sentence. Both sound like we are getting "hosed". I guess we are.
FOP President is owned by Rahm, duh!!!! That's why you hear what you hear from them....Thanks for electing this guy, you sheep can have Obama for for more years too.
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Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
9/19/2012 02:02:00 AM
a real good dude? but yet you state "how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down"? how can he be a real good dude when he's putting us in the spotlight for the high murder rate?
The best thing about the new CTU contract is that there's an option for it to expire right in the middle of the next mayoral campaign.
We all need to band together and stick it in tiny dancer's ear.
If we don't support each other, nobody else will. Certainly not this town's media.
Deception is our beloved mayor's favorite game. Certainly the folks running the anti-teacher ads are connected to him. He loves demonizing the opposition. These are the same folks he wants to send into the Ghetto classrooms every day to teach little Mutants who are going nowhere fast. Another sign of the decline of this city.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
9/19/2012 02:02:00 AM
If you consider this dirtbag a "good dude" you should get your head examined. you're nuts
MM is an anti-American p.o.s. and I suspect, so are you
FOP President Shields where are you?
Busy ignoring all the advice you people are paying for!
Leave me alone, I am practicing Angry Birds, while I wait for the iphone 5 you bought me.
How come no story about rhe FOP meeting yesterday... A lot to be said about the power an conviction of the retiree portion of the FOP...
im praying that the leadership at the FOP hall were taking notes on the teachers strike.
Karen Lewis is a teacher who taught chemistry! And her committees are not filled with yes men like a certain fraternal organization.
And dont forget the pension Board elections coming up hopefully someone run with some Business experience.
Michael Moore is a shithead liberal. He is no friend to the police.
Especially when you have a child fighting it for you.
big pension changes coming along with paycuts!
everything will end up on arbitrator benn's desk in a couple of years and we will have to live with what he gives us--- then the city will just do what they want to suit their needs no matter what the contract says--- file all the grievances you want and you might get paid 3 or 4 years later--- the real elephant in the room is the pension.....
So you are telling me the 014th desk crew sold their soul to an admitted communist for a few crumbs. Michael has always been a friend to the police, and will portray them as heroes to his Socialist following. Stupid..
listen teachers received 20% last contract , cpd 10% , new contract 17% for teachers , cpd maybe 7% by an arbitrator .
Michael moore???? Really???? You troll!!!
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Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
I disagree wholeheartedly; He's a real piece of SHIT and a total douchebag. And you are too since you were bought off with a free lunch.
Just leave the contract as it was. Any kind of raise would be taken by a boost in your cost for medical Ins. or a cut somewhere else. Uniform checks? Duty Availability checks?
Wow! Go to bottom click on walters perspective "You can't scare cops," excellent finally he is on our side!
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/walters-perspective-rahm-cant-provoke-cops-and-firefighters-like-he-did-teachers/
To OT.
Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
You are joking right...Michael Moore is a real good dude???? Wow. I'm speechless You my friend deserve the country we are becoming if you believe Moore is a real good dude.
How is Michael Moore a good dude if he says CPD aren't doing enough??? Did I misinterpret something in your post?
"Astro Turf" is fake grass and in politics it is fake grass roots. Axelrod's consulting firm was famous for producing "Astro Turf" as a tactic to make people believe there was a grass root effort to support or attack a specific issue. Everyone should take note because Rahm used it against the teachers. Phoney citizen groups supposedly paid for those anti-union commercials, which were in fact financed by Rahm's Machine. Don't underestimate this man, he pushed NAFTA through for Clinton and would still be in D.C. were it not for Valerie Jarret.
has anyone heard about us loosing the first year of retro pay ///or am i just late hearing about this??
FOP should be running adds about what sacrifices has the city taken. Have the alderscum taken a pay cut or rejected their raises? No. Has the Mayor or Supernintendo taken their paycut? No. But they want police and fire not to get any raises. They have the money for bike roads, flower pots, etc. but no money for first responders to keep "the children" safe.
Ok that fat slob michael moore is doing a film.saying "cpd isn't doing enough to stop the murders" then you say "he's a good dude"! That makes you a STUPID BASTARD!!! Fuck him and fuck you dumb ass! I bet you will be out screaming "cpd don't need a raise, the city is broke. We need more money for the children". This city is crooked as a snake! Stop the politicians from stealing everything cut aldermen by 90% and return this city to the remaining decent people living in it
The first poster is correct - public opinion is close to being irrelevant. These contracts will NOT be negotiated, they'll be arbitrated. And the arbitrator couldn't care less about public opinion.
The Sgts have already met several times with the city. No meetings for lts or capts.
With all of Rahm's arrogance and bullying of the teachers as a template I'd say the only way for the FOP to proceed is with the idea of heading to arbitration.
This lying, thieving prick never negotiates in good faith. We don't have the ability to strike as the teachers did so why even play footsie with Rahm?All he wants to do is take, take, take. Unless he comes out of left field with a beneficial contract ... let an arbitrator decide.
Mikey Shields is the big lap dog! Arf Arf expect a big fat ZERO, boys and girls.
There is a new AD with Rahm talking about the strike and the contract.
Trying to sell his bullshit to the public.
With all the anti-police articles and news reporting....why are the police not writing the media when they illegally park? They're not exempt from parking rules.
See there is no unity within the police department. Not only are all the bosses at our throats everyday but we can’t agree or even get along with each other because everyone has their own agenda.
Anyone notice the crocodile tears and fake lump in throat by rahm, yesterday after the strike was over. A classic page out despot daleys news conference book. Boo hoo, im a parent of a degenerate, i didnt get the olympics...waaaahh! Good old rahm, dont let a good cry go to waste, looked like his buttocks was handed to him on a platter. Looks like POTUS maybe didnt like how lil rahm handled professionals and their livelihood and a fellow hyde park neighbor. Sit tight the this is for the children is waring thin...POTUS and the man, rush limbaugh said "didnt care if he were elmer fudd, are neck to in the polls. Would be a shame if all the kick backs to p pritzker, civic federation, chicago club members go for naught and the good citizens of chicago vote for the man in mom jeans. Obama sent ming the merciless here, because DC had had enough of his tactics. Northshore and hollywood money is great, hell romney, couple weeks ago, collected 4 million from the northshore "patriots. Guess they must realize "ink packet" rahm would activate himself, and someone would get dirty, namely, POTUS. G-d bless the taxpaying citizens, especially the cities first responders, the fight is on. You cant leave, your stuck with your underwater mortgages, underfunded pensions and the tax burden that will almost bring you and your family to its knees. All the while the TIF monies siphoned from your district are given to connected developers and billionaires. The city is crying poor, but it isnt. Rahm was sent here to shift the blame on YOU, not the madigans, cullertons, joyces, mells, jacksons, daleys, jones, thompsons etc. and their 40 + years of running this once great state for the "working class" to the ground. He was sent here for YOU the anchor and support, the reason this city hasnt turned into the next detroit, to break you down in the heart of a city , that was the birth of the labor movement. Stand together and please limit the disparaging of each other on this site and on other medía. Differences abounds, with clout etc., but the fiundamentals are the same. The clouted are few, but the real workers are plenty. The plenty must prevail and save whats left of this city so that our children can live a better life. My 5 & 7 yo nephews dont give a damn about these politicians and their ilk. They want to be police officers , teachers, firefighters. Everyday im reminded of their aspirations and that of their classmates. Innocense abounds. Its a shame the media allows for rahms phony theatrics, for that first responders must stick together, put differences aside. Back your union leadership, find aldemanic canidates that represent YOU, not the interest of carpetbaggers and the many "federations" that profess whats the best for YOU. VOTE, in every election, get involved in your precinct and local school councils. Thelivelihood of you and your family is at stake. Its time rahm and all the thieving politicians realize we put them in positions of power and we can very well take them out. G-d Bless SCC, CPD, CFD & CTU for showing the world how fighting for whats right , can bring a wanna be tough guy to tears.
If FOP goes to the press and says "we deserve a 10% raise" the press will quickly calculate the cost (which will be enormous) and add it to the looming budget deficits ($500M+ in 2014 alone) and report a very large number.
That could well turn the taxpayers against the whole stinkin' mess.
Last week, Rush Limbaugh had a dead on assessment of the press, he called them "democrats with by-lines." They are no longer unbiased advocates for the people, they are an arm of the democratic party.
If we can elect true conservatives, maybe we can start bringing the media and socialists inside our political system up on charges for betraying the people of this country.
Anonymous said...
OT.
Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
9/19/2012 02:02:00 AM
You may be impressed by his sensationalized crap... ...but he's in the business of making money on his message
He's just another trib/SunT reporter-type that found a better way to make money
Teachers, police and fire all deserve a good and just salary and benefits. However, it has become pretty clear, for many reasons, that cities across the nation are going broke. The chicago teachers are patting themselves on theback for getting good raises. But, they will have to face reality very soon. Considering they pay only 2% into their pension fund and the city pays the rest of their share by an agreement that is running out, they can expect a 9% pay cut very soon to go for their share of pensions. Then, with school closings and charter schools they can also expect up to 20% layoffs. The school system will be one billion in the red next year with property taxes going to their max for the next four years. Police and fire also want raises at least equal to the teachers. Pension legislation will be coming up and huge pension payments will be coming due. None of this look good for the taxpayer, many of whom are the public employees. Dark days ahead for all.
Can we hire Karen Lewis to help with our contract?
If I can say it once, I can say it again, I have never seen such incompentance in our voter pool of choices for any government job these days. What we need in Chicago is a straight working guy that shoots from the hip in office. Seriously, do we need a 55 million dollar park that honors Maggie Daley? And then cry broke? I understand that private donations are also being used but it still means public taxpayer monies are going to something where it shouldn't go. During the teachers strike I cancelled both subscriptions to the Tribune and the Sun Times because of the slanted coverage and those editorials that I think were written by Rahm himself. The mayor is now so arrogant that he is on those reform commercials telling the public about the teachers contract with his mug so smug. Unbelievable.
Anyone who thinks Michael Moore is a "real good dude" has to change their hair gel. He is a Liberal Propagandist. He will make us look like racist,lazy,thugs and Rahm a victim. Get a clue!
I want the Fop to come out to the press and announce " because of the economy and hard times to theCity wethe Pilice deptartment ask for no raise and just a 3 year signing of the current contract , remember this when times are good Thankyou " this would fuck the city. They want us to get screwed through all the shit they want to take away and they want their " wellness " crap included as well as raise our medical . The people will love it the media will have no choice but love it and it will fuck Rahm over . The silly 1 percent raise with increased medical and wellness Commi tests is worth getting out of. There won't be raise anyway
reember that mayor1% tried to bully the teachers contract in the media and we all saw what that got him:). 12" of spring steel of Karol lewis's "ebony weapon"
never air your dirty laundry
while contracts are not "secret"
no need to let the entire world know evry "i" and "t"
unfortanely i think police and fire have "no strike" clause
BUT there is nothing that says you cannot follow procedure by the letter and i m the letter step by step
thing swill slow down so much
and if they say some thing turn around and say oh it's procedure
citing insurance and safety regulations as well a paperwork requirements a airlaine had that happen to them and it nearly made them go broke:)
but everyone must particapate to the letter fire too
emt's everyone
this will drive rahm and Mcstreetlight nuts
and he can't write any one up because it a safety issue
In the meantime, while the city fucks us over, continue to bring in arrests, stop people, do contact cards, write parkers, write movers, and impound those cars. It boggles my mind that officers still come in with revenue. Every single day at checkoff I see the bin where we write up our tickets and it's brimming to the full! Way to go CPD. Bitch, bitch, and bitch. But don't do anything. We are doomed not because of Rahm. Not because of the city council. Not because of the media. But because of ourselves.
FOP President Shields where are you?
Too busy creating a fake contorversey with retirees in order to cover up the 5 page letter by a fired secretary?
Nice job with the smoke screen today.
9/19/2012 12:39:00 AM
Ur welcome haters!!! It's just too easy...lol
Teachers got alot Did you see that they can save 40 medical or sick days and that they are pensionable. Does sound like many, but thats 8 weeks or 2 months more pay that is pensionable
When reaqdy to retire say pay is 84,000 2 months pay is $14,000 Not bad to add that to your pension when calculating final benefits
The Sun-Times has lost all credibility! On Wednesday 19Sept 2012 they printed the same comics as they did the day before! Are heads gonna roll or what? 'Hey Fusco, How you doing' ?'
TD 9.5 just cannot let it go.
This morning, not verbatim, he told the news media that the "children were cheated" because of the teacher's strike.
Hey TD 9.5, the strike is over. Let it go! For once, try not to be an asshole. It will be a hard task, but give it a try.
OT.
Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
9/19/2012 02:02:00 AM
He is a Asshole and so are YOU.
Anonymous said...
OT.
Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
9/19/2012 02:02:00 AM
You are soft as puppy shit.
Especially when we have a smart mouth child doing the negotiations.
Maybe our motto should be: It's for our children. Oh that's right OUR children can go to hell as long as every non tax paying parents child gets every grant and freebie available.
I'm retired, and all I have to say is "without police & fire it really does'nt matter if there are teachers,wall streeters, bus drivers etc etc..." Without some semblance of control and order in society you have nothing.We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
"We find it amusing (again) that the FOP and Fire Departments stand by their contentions that they won't negotiate in the press due to a "gentlemen's agreement" with the City." -- SCC
Does this "agreement" include the bright scarlet FOP "HIRE MORE POLICE" signs I'm seeing on the sides of CTA buses?
"Can we hire Karen Lewis to help with our contract?"
--9/19/2012 10:35:00 AM
Better find money to pay for all this.
If we have 4 more years of obama everything the "GREAT GENERATION" and those who followed, whomadeour country great will all be for naught.Violence and disorder will abound in our great country. I think people say it can't happen... it will and IT'S COMING......As rahm likes to say think of the children.I've seen a lot in 40 years if he's elected GOD help the children!
Anonymous said...
The best thing about the new CTU contract is that there's an option for it to expire right in the middle of the next mayoral campaign.
He's not gonna BE running for mayor a second time. Mr. Fuckstick's intent is to RUN AGAINST QUINN FOR THE BIG MONEY.
You heard it here first....Racoon Shitstick will next run for Governor, against Quinn or in place of Quinn.
The bullshit you're seeing in the press about him living to fuck over union members is the press he wants, regardless of whether or not we get a fair contract. His sole intent is to prove to the world that he's a union fucker and a shitfuck who's in the pocket of big money to destroy the middle class in this country, starting with government employees.
It's no game, and as long as he can keep showing his intent to fuck union employees he'll be there to take the governor's chair away from another corrupt shithead.
A 10th District cop taking $5k to dump a criminal case.
Those damn newspapers!
Maybe cops are their own enemy.
pension reform>tick tock........
"He's not gonna BE running for mayor a second time. Mr. Fuckstick's intent is to RUN AGAINST QUINN FOR THE BIG MONEY."
--9/19/2012 04:32:00 PM
Emanuel could make 100 times the money speculating in the private sector. He showed up here with about $18 mil in his pocket.
People like him only work 18 hours a day because of a power-seeking animus, and because of what their positioning can do to advance their group's collective agenda against other competing groups.
In the coming days of lean budgets and a shrinking tax base, public employees will be very glad just to have a job and some benefits. Cities around the country are going to file for bankruptcy because they will not be able to afford pay and benefits for employees ( mainly teachers) that were negotiated and agreed to in past years for labor peace. If a city files for bankruptcy all bets are off and that includes pensions and healthcare to include layoffs for many. The Chicago teachers have not paid into their pension fund for 10 years by agreement with the city. That agreement ends next year which means they will have to pony up for 9 % of their salary by law and then fact layoffs. The Chicago Board stated that they have excess teacher and building capacity of 100,000 students. That means 20-25% layoffs. Bleak times for cities and public employees nationwide are coming.
OFF TOPIC: Lawrence Msall the Civic Federation Person who wants to slash are pension and is being interviewed by RAHMS news media, says the city can't afford anything. A. LAWRENCE do U live in the city of CHICAGO. B. Are U The same LAWRENCE MSALL who was ARRESTED by METRA POLICE!!! Yes that's a guy we should be TRUST!!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down....watch the picture taken there today. It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude."
--9/19/2012 02:02:00 AM
I will never ever blast someone for hitting the wrong key, trying to express themselves as best they can in limited time when they are tired, etc. -- but the inability to think coherently is 'way outside a mere typo.
Utter retard, complete drooling idiot. People like this drag forums down to the lowest common denominator.
"Yuh lookit da pitcher huk-huk-huk."
If this is "democracy," it has to go.
Contract negotiation ask for the same COLA raise the aldercreatures get...that's fair. After all the aldercreatures wouldn't be paying themselves too much
Anonymous said...
"We find it amusing (again) that the FOP and Fire Departments stand by their contentions that they won't negotiate in the press due to a "gentlemen's agreement" with the City." -- SCC
Does this "agreement" include the bright scarlet FOP "HIRE MORE POLICE" signs I'm seeing on the sides of CTA buses?
9/19/2012 04:28:00 PM
An informational campaign to highlight the need to HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS is not a contractual issue goof. Try to educate yourself prior to commenting on matters you have no idea about. In laymen's terms, STFU and get back work!
Have we lost sight of the fact that our pensions were underfunded by the theiving past administration and at no time has this become an issue.
F.U. Sheilds and company for not bringing this pension issue to the forefront. You let this fucking city rape our Pensions with no repercussions and you think you are the great savior in this round of negotiations?
Anyone who gives a nod to Sheilds and his sidekick Toto Gorman deserves what this contract will treat us to.
I thought getting screwed gets easier and more fun the more you try it. Hide the gerbils boys and girls here's comes the city.
Thanks 9/19/2012 09:59:00 AM
Lovin it!
Rahm bad acting at it's best! Crocodile tears and all. Rahm You're a Phony even the little kids see right thru you!
We are the city of BOZO!
The Teacher
9/19/2012 09:59:00 AM
I'd gladly pay you Tuesday, for a few fucking paragraph breaks today.
A 10th District cop taking $5k to dump a criminal case.
Those damn newspapers!
Maybe cops are their own enemy.
-for every one story like this there are 5,000 a year that are outstanding which go unreported (or at the very best hidden in the paper) and that my friend is FACT! For the record mr/mrs newspaper employee, we're police officers not "cops". Maybe we should touch upon newspapers that are bought and payed for either with money or politically appointed positions for friends and family members?
Anonymous said...
FOP President Shields where are you?
Too busy creating a fake contorversey with retirees in order to cover up the 5 page letter by a fired secretary?
Nice job with the smoke screen today.
What do you mean where am I? I'm in my office kicking back creating fake controversies. Thank God I put S.Robbins up to that by-law change months before I fired my secretary. Damn those old timers from the 1968 convention still got some spunk. I'm just disappointed a sharp guy like yourself caught on to me. Even though your spelling sucks, your nobody's fool.
Anonymous said...
Mikey Shields is the big lap dog! Arf Arf expect a big fat ZERO, boys and girls.
Any you sir are big fucking dork!!
What a joke of a meeting. Filled with the hot air spewed by everyone of those assholes sitting on the stage.
And hey richie. Now you want to tell people to lay off the blog? It worked so well for you during campaigning.
Fuck. You.
Anonymous said...
FOP President Shields where are you?
Too busy creating a fake contorversey with retirees in order to cover up the 5 page letter by a fired secretary?
Nice job with the smoke screen today.
Smoke screen? Hey dipshit, despite the large amount of retirees at the start of yesterday's meeting, there was virtually no one there at the end. Why didn't you ask him about the letter? Never mind that would take some stones.
Rahm doesn't have a clue on how he's gonna find money to pay for the teachers contract. So how ya think the rest of the union contracts that are due are going to fair?
Tick-tock is right!
This nation, this state, this city is so far in debt that I don't think it's possible to grow our way out, cut spending our way out, or tax our way out.
So what do we do folks?
Because of some sort of economic model that says we must pay our debts do we just push it onto the next generation and the one after that to work in indentured servitude for their ENTIRE LIVES for the states and corporations?
OR
Do we file bankruptcy wipe the slate clean and start over blowing off all of our creditors?
Let's face it. Politicians made a whole lot of promises that they are unwilling or unable to keep. When the reality of that sets in there's gonna be a lot of people pissed...big time.
OH "THE CHILDREN"
What's Gov. Quinn doing for "the children"? Why he's about to cut 300 DCFS workers that's what.
Time for Quinn to show up at some other corporate HQ with a tax breaks and tell everyone how he's saving jobs so that this other news can be swept under the rug.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why do you think that public opinion will influence our contracts? Are people going to take to the streets and demand the city pay more to fireman and policeman? No. Whats more important is sticking together. And only worrying about what the people that control our contracts say and do.
9/19/2012 12:19:00 AM
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Well as much as many will hate to admit it, you had people taking to the streets fighting in CPD's corner just 12 short months ago.
We're all in this economic mess because of the banks.
The mayor made you lock them up under park ordinance violations and many said "we're just doing our jobs" in order to justify it and now you have the consequences of those actions to deal with.
Occupy Wall Street was originally for 99% of the people that are getting screwed by the banking frauds and the political kick back favors that have busted out this system on a global basis -- that's bringing capitalism to it's knees.
But the message that began "we are the 99% and so are you (CDP)" was hijacked to a "f--k the police" instead as the mayor drove a wedge between the public and the police. Yeah, the last thing they want if for the people to unite and bring these banking frauds to justice.
So what a surprise.
Did ya notice that now that the teachers are back in school Obama will be in Milwaukee Summer Fest this weekend to raise more campaign donations?
I'll bet if the teachers were still out Obama wouldn't be showing his face within 100 miles of this town.
Phoney! He lost his "comfy shoes"
Bathhouse Rahm is having a tizzie because he has a large gaping wound in his tough guy persona. We should not call Rahm Rahmbo anymore because he likes it. We should a have a contest for a new name such as Rahmarella: he had the mayoral slipper put on his foot by the handsome price Dick Daley. Others are calling him Runt Emanuel, Tiny dancer is always a good choice. Yes Tiny dancer I believe in fairy tales, Come on Tinker Bell come clean tell us how you made 18 million in two years with your degree in dance. Really Ramalamba I'll believe you because I still think the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are real. What a POS. He has already fucked the Capt's Lt's, The Sgt's now is our turn. We have no choice to but fight him every step of the way. Exspecially on the personal level.
Why does Rahm keep saying "Our Children" when he's talking about the Chicago Public Schools? Rahm's kids are in a $26k/year per student private school. His kids aren't involved in this strike. Rahm's not part of the CPS parents.
HEY RAHM. Stop the "Our Children" stuff you look silly
Caned get a T-Shirt that says, "Where is Mike Shields??"
I was told last night that the reason the FOP has talked about our proposel offer to the City, is we are waiting for the City's response to our contract offer. Now I am not completely sold on this but I will give it a minute before I lose it. I will say this Mike you are out come next election. You let your EGO work for you and now you have run this union into the ground. You should be ashamed of yourself.
MM is an anti-American p.o.s. and I suspect, so are you
9/19/2012 06:41:00 AM
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Is making pension promises and not abiding by them or by signed contracts anti-American?
I don't even know what America stands for anymore. Look around. Almost every politician is more worried about their re-election than what is good for the country, state, or this city. They are all constantly on non-stop personal fund-raising SuperPac missions that have nothing to do with the people or their welfare.
The unions Teachers, Fire, Police, ect should get together and stop the TIFs. They are complete bullshit. The money to pay for our pensions are in these TIFS. We should demand an audit and get the TIFs reduced to less 30% of what they are now. Sorry Maggie we dont need you 55 million dollar park, we still have your jagoff husband theiving. We need to file FOI requests and find out how much and where Richie's and Rahm's slush (TIF) is going. and force the city in court to meet their financial obligations (which are State Law mind you) first then use the rest for silly sissy bike lanes or bitch park. The city generates plenty of money if Rahm didnt sphien it off. That would realyy squeeze Rahm's nuts.
Anonymous said...
Just leave the contract as it was. Any kind of raise would be taken by a boost in your cost for medical Ins. or a cut somewhere else. Uniform checks? Duty Availability checks?
9/19/2012 08:39:00 AM
OK by me to eliminate uniform and Duty Availability checks if they are simply rolled in to regular salary. Then no more misc. checks to get while aldermen and media ask what the hell are we getting those for and then they will all be pensionable.
Michael Moore a good dude? are you nuts? maybe you're a liberal cruncher that believes all his nonsense...give that fatass another big mac..or feed him some harolds chicken so he can buy all the link card holders lunch!
Anonymous said...
I want the Fop to come out to the press and announce " because of the economy and hard times to theCity wethe Pilice deptartment ask for no raise and just a 3 year signing of the current contract , remember this when times are good Thankyou " this would fuck the city. They want us to get screwed through all the shit they want to take away and they want their " wellness " crap included as well as raise our medical . The people will love it the media will have no choice but love it and it will fuck Rahm over . The silly 1 percent raise with increased medical and wellness Commi tests is worth getting out of. There won't be raise anyway
If this is Bill Dougherty's way to lower my expectations, DON'T BOTHER, my expectations couldn't possibly be any lower.
since were on the topic of contract negotiations I am a union rep and have been been keeping a close eye on how things are going.... were fucked. Plain and simple. No ifs ands or buts about it... were fucked. Good luck all.
SWAT here........we need take home cars. Can anyone help us? Our Lt and chain of command could care less and they don't even try to help us. All the SWAT Sgts have take home cars and they are useless. I am sick of showing up on jobs in my own car and having to leave my personal stuff while on an HBT job in a high crime area.. Even our SWAT Support Staff and WMD Staff need them so they can get the trucks and heavy weapons trucks to us. If some boss who cares for SWAT reads the blog please help us get take home cars. Our response to a HBT time is slowed because I'm coming from one end of the city to the job. I know some of you think it's funny but what if you really need us and there is not enough on duty SWAT personnel. Several times I have blown lights or drive fast so I can respond to help our brothers and sisters in blue. I am sure we could find 50 squad cars between the districts and specialized units. Go ahead and make funny comments but it will be sad when one of us gets into an accident while driving to a job or we are caught in a traffic jam and we are not there to help the working police. Can't FOP help us? I would rather have a take home car then D-2 pay. This way all our responding SWAT officers and War Room officers are safe, coppers on the street are protected and the citizens know we will be there for them. Now let the thrashing begin but just think of all the units that have take home cars and don't deserve them.
SWAT operator that cares...
Btw. Its not just the SWAT Sgts that are useless but also some of the SWAT officers that do have take home cars are the Lts or Sgts pets. They are selfish and useless. FOP if your listening forget the D2 pay and just get us take home cars this will show the city that we here at SWAT care. I'm done.
:)
"This morning, not verbatim, he told the news media that the 'children were cheated' because of the teacher's strike."
Cheated? What the Hell is he talking about?
They'll have to make up the time they weren't in school. They'll go the same amount of time they would have anyway.
Cheated. Rahm's an asshole.
"The Sun-Times has lost all credibility! On Wednesday 19Sept 2012 they printed the same comics as they did the day before! Are heads gonna roll or what?"
The comics and the horoscope are the ONLY things that you can take as true in the Scum Times!
rb
"With all the anti-police articles and news reporting....why are the police not writing the media when they illegally park? They're not exempt from parking rules."
Because we're not going out of our way to write tickets, remember?
"Wow! Go to bottom click on walters perspective "You can't scare cops," excellent finally he is on our side!"
Today he's on our side. Tomorrow? Who knows?
Don't trust the media.
"How come no story about rhe FOP meeting yesterday... A lot to be said about the power an conviction of the retiree portion of the FOP..."
Please, tell us what you heard at the meeting!
"FOP President is owned by Rahm, duh!!!! That's why you hear what you hear from them....Thanks for electing this guy"
Like him or not, don't forget that the MAJORITY of those who voted, voted for him.
Now we've got to decide what to do next time.
Im sorry, my expensive bi weekly union dues pay for what now?
Im sorry, my expensive bi weekly union dues pay for what now?
9/20/2012 02:41:00 AM
the fact that you're not treated as a complete and total flunky.
This way all our responding SWAT officers and War Room officers are safe, coppers on the street are protected and the citizens know we will be there for them. Now let the thrashing begin but just think of all the units that have take home cars and don't deserve them.
SWAT operator that cares...
9/19/2012 10:58:00 PM
Where to begin......
Man up and approach the FOP, the Superintendent or you Alderman. Stop whining on the blog. It's unmanly.
Citizen who cares....
But I won't throw in the smiling emoticon. It is REALLY unmanly.
Micheal Moore is a leftist piece of garbage with no love lost for the Police.
55 Million for Maggie Daley Park, 200 Mil for Malcom X college, 1 Mil to cease fire . And Rahm is crying broke?
How can you SWAT guys see through your rifle scopes when you're crying all the time? Methinks you're looking for sympathy in the wrong place.
Waited two years now for a grevence to be settled and still nothing! there are over 800 grevences pending, the city refuses to handle these...so what am I paying dues for? In 17 years I put in 1 grevence and have had to wait over 2 years for a outcome? Why pay dues? Can we opt out of the union or do we have to pay dues?
SWAT operator that cares...
Here's a clue. NOBODY gives a shit about SWAT. Nobody.
You work out for a living and go to some bullshit incident once in a while.
How fucking dare you come on here and bitch about not having a take home car when some guys are getting their CU denied.
Fucking crybaby. Poster child for this last fucked up generation of officers. God, I hate you motherfuckers.
SWAT operator that cares...
Hey puss, why don't you sign your name so your SWAT bosses can discuss this with you?
Right.
That's what I thought.
city has no money to pay for teacher pay raise . cpd , cfd are screwed , an arbitrator will award us zero to 4% pay raise over 4 years . city is broke , end of story.
My guess is that the only reason the piece of shit Moore got past the desk is because the cpt's on furlough. Moore sucks as a filmmaker and is as anti-American as they come.
If I hear that "sleeping safely in our beds" line again, I will puke. Get over yourself already.
Anonymous said...
big pension changes coming along with paycuts!
9/19/2012 07:44:00 AM
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Fuck you mayor Runt !!!!
"With all the anti-police articles and news reporting....why are the police not writing the media when they illegally park? They're not exempt from parking rules."
Because we're not going out of our way to write tickets, remember?
Dont waste youre time. They are issued a media placard from the department and any ticket they receive will be non suited.
Raises, contract length were key to turning strike around
Headline from the Sun Times
After all was said and done, it wasnt about the children, it was about money
SWAT here........we need take home cars
Why dont they report to nearest district and have beat car take to scene...and by end of incident our 9-12 passengar vans could take them back to districts --like a shuttle bus....or do they get milegae/gas reinmbursed and there is no "high speed" reason for them to get to scene from home while offduty
"Well as much as many will hate to admit it, you had people taking to the streets fighting in CPD's corner just 12 short months ago."
--9/19/2012 08:36:00 PM
Those were the police.
Occupy scumbags had urine bottles stashed as far out as Brookfield, and had just finished doing millions of dollars worth of damage in their Oakland, Cal. assault.
Shithead here is NEVER going to get over NATO. EVER.
Fucking stupid kids he helped attract here to "burn down the Mayor's house and the city will never be the same after we get done" are still locked up, their lives for all practical purposes over.
It's not like he cares. Provocateurs lead from behind.
Watch the Geoffrey Baer "Chicago in the '60s" segment on Channel 11. Same thing. Pathetic balding hippies with Jefferson Airplane posters framed on their condominium wall. Smoking a joint in "Piper's Alley" was the summit point of their entire lives.
Same thing.
So you got a (very) little more attention for yourself today. Suckhole.
You can sleep at night, huh? That is sick.
"The Sun-Times has lost all credibility! On Wednesday 19Sept 2012 they printed the same comics as they did the day before! Are heads gonna roll or what?"
"The comics and the horoscope are the ONLY things that you can take as true in the Scum Times! -- rb"
--9/20/2012 12:30:00 AM
TribuneTV (Channel 9) has file footage of The Press Conference Table Full Of Scary Guns from the last gun turn-in.
They dragged it out to illustrate a completely different story just days ago; "Gun sales might maybe be going up nationwide," and they're showing you the business end of an alleged M60 machine gun that was allegedly turned in. I am starting to RECOGNIZE some of those guns, they've showed this so often.
They used the same film clips of downtown Teachers' Union pickets on at least two successive days; the shot of the guy riding his bike real slow past the front doors was the giveaway.
WBBM radio today is doing the regular now-you-see-it-now-you-don't on "race of offender." One story did not include the race of a man on rollerblades serially beating women on the lakefront bike paths, but another story described a robbery VICTIM as "mixed race" -- and ran a sound clip from her. "The stereotype is a Mexican guy or a black guy robbing you.
"But this guy was white!"
I guess that is news, huh?
First one all year?
(Oh -- the latter robbery offender is described as about 6'4" and 350 pounds, wearing a City of Chicago safety vest and City cap, carrying a clipboard, armed with a revolver. I'm not kidding, that's what they said. Grab Man Mountain, you got it licked.)
"I'd gladly pay you Tuesday, for a few fucking paragraph breaks today."
--9/19/2012 07:34:00 PM
Just gimme the hamburger.
"An informational campaign to highlight the need to HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS is not a contractual issue goof. Try to educate yourself prior to commenting on matters you have no idea about. In laymen's terms, STFU and get back work!"
--9/19/2012 05:35:00 PM
Just laughing about an "agreement" to keep it out of the newspapers when it's going by on the side of a bus. You got to admit that's kind of funny.
I hope they have a lot of those ad cards rolling downtown for the remaining tourists to see.
Stay safe.
Btw. Its not just the SWAT Sgts that are useless but also some of the SWAT officers that do have take home cars are the Lts or Sgts pets. They are selfish and useless. FOP if your listening forget the D2 pay and just get us take home cars this will show the city that we here at SWAT care. I'm done.
:)
Look here dirt bag, we are supposed to have take home cars. Stop begging and shooting off your mouth for the team. Read your SWAT emails and don't go writing shit about trading our pay for cars. We deserve the extra pay just like cannine, FTOs, Crime Lab and Bomb and Arson. Maybe bomb and arson should give up Sgt's pay to have a take home car. I doubt they would. Let FOP negotiate our D-3 pay and stay off the blog.
SWAT here........we need take home cars. Can anyone help us? Our Lt and chain of command could care less and they don't even try to help us. All the SWAT Sgts have take home cars and they are useless. I am sick of showing up on jobs in my own car and having to leave my personal stuff while on an HBT job in a high crime area.. Even our SWAT Support Staff and WMD Staff need them so they can get the trucks and heavy weapons trucks to us. If some boss who cares for SWAT reads the blog please help us get take home cars. Our response to a HBT time is slowed because I'm coming from one end of the city to the job. I know some of you think it's funny but what if you really need us and there is not enough on duty SWAT personnel. Several times I have blown lights or drive fast so I can respond to help our brothers and sisters in blue. I am sure we could find 50 squad cars between the districts and specialized units. Go ahead and make funny comments but it will be sad when one of us gets into an accident while driving to a job or we are caught in a traffic jam and we are not there to help the working police. Can't FOP help us? I would rather have a take home car then D-2 pay. This way all our responding SWAT officers and War Room officers are safe, coppers on the street are protected and the citizens know we will be there for them. Now let the thrashing begin but just think of all the units that have take home cars and don't deserve them.
SWAT operator that cares...
Sounds like a good idea.
What would be the implications of anonymous posters letting the public know the good work that cops in Chicago do via SCC?
News affairs is obviously not doing it. City Hall appears most interested in painting the police in a bad light.
One example of good work in the 7th District: Officers responded to a call of shots fired/possible robbery. It appears that it was actually a drug deal gone bad. Officers recovered drugs and over 10K cash. One person was taken into custody. Nothing about this good work in the news.
There you have it: No names, exact amount of drugs/cash not divulged. Only the district and enough facts to get the media to ask proper questions and hopefully get a story that shows the police doing the good work that they do daily.
"55 million dollar park
55 million dollar park
55 million dollar park
55 million dollar park
55 million dollar park
theiving
if Rahm didnt sphien it off."
--9/19/2012 09:05:00 PM
Is this newly arrived Mad Misspeller another one of Andy's "sock puppets?" How many does he have going on here?
Welp, huh, golp, golly, whatcha say? Folksy enough to make ya puke, look here not there! Here not there! Here not there!
("Sock puppets" are the various interlocking, mutually-supporting personas created by one individual with nothing better to do posting and posting on a forum under a host of different names. etc. You could go on a fishing trip to Canada and when you came back, there would be 10,000 posts from the same fool. It's lonely down there in the basement.)
If I hear that "sleeping safely in our beds" line again, I will puke. Get over yourself already.
9/20/2012 08:53:00 AM
We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
on the count of three:
one ..... two ..... three.
I can't hear yoooooou.........
Raises, contract length were key to turning strike around
Headline from the Sun Times
After all was said and done, it wasnt about the children, it was about money
9/20/2012 10:52:00 AM
so, you believe what you read in the scum-times, i take it.
dumbass.
Just gimme the hamburger.
9/20/2012 12:57:00 PM
don't you mean the fucking hamburger?
city has no money to pay for teacher pay raise . cpd , cfd are screwed , an arbitrator will award us zero to 4% pay raise over 4 years . city is broke , end of story.
9/20/2012 08:31:00 AM
city ain't broke, just horribly, and deliberately, mismanaged by thieves, rascals and suck asses.
Second City please alert the membership about the upcoming Pension Board Elections in October 2012.
We can't have Mike Shields doing two jobs any more! It's readily apparent that he can't handle FOP and Pension Board with all his blunders. These positions are full-time positions that required a dedicated trustee.
BTW, Does Mike Shields collect two salaries from FOP and Pension Board?
Anyone but Mike Shields for Pension Board!!!!
OT CPD will demand 17% pay increase over 4 years not 5 and no reduction in Pension Benefits , no increase in Health Insurance Premiums , just like the teachers
ya got that tiny ballerina dancer
we hold the power , we will write every violation that was ever passed by the 50 aldercreatures
we will do our job , you won't need cameras , lock ups will be full of drivers without a dl, insurance , speeding near a school or park and we will long form marijuana violators
you heard it here 1st and not one of your political xo or exempts can order us not to do our job
you look bad after a short teacher strike , the real police are back
we care about the kids , our own kids , ya listening
moore is buying you lunch and he is gonna make look like racists police so eat your fucking burger morons.
Slamming Rham is fun but who will run against him? Who can? Someone else from DC who dupes Chicagoans as good? How about those hacks who keep him propped up? Start raising money now.
He will keep up the crocodile tears and tell us the workers are at fault, while he continues to do the bidding of Burke, Madigan, Mell, Cullerton, etc.
Fuck him...get ur side of the story out...I think the teachers side wasn't really told until the announced the strike....get ur side out any way u can, the teachers put him on the ropes...hope CPD and CFD put him down for the count...3 years won t go by fast enough.....some how one of his minions figured out a way to run a commercial saying he won the first teachers strike in 25 years that he caused...his ego is amazing...
Michael Moore can't make any blue shirt look bad. The police department as a whole is going bad because of the policy makers. FYI. Gold stars and the mayor. We can only put in a days work. If shit is going down hill as a whole its on them. I hope he exposes it all. ;)
SWAT here........we need take home cars
Why dont they report to nearest district and have beat car take to scene...and by end of incident our 9-12 passengar vans could take them back to districts --like a shuttle bus....or do they get milegae/gas reinmbursed and there is no "high speed" reason for them to get to scene from home while offduty
Now that is a great idea!!! Every SWAT guy lives near a district and they can just have a beat car run to the job.
do any of you care? wake up guys and do not vote for Mike Shields
Anonymous said...
Second City please alert the membership about the upcoming Pension Board Elections in October 2012.
We can't have Mike Shields doing two jobs any more! It's readily apparent that he can't handle FOP and Pension Board with all his blunders. These positions are full-time positions that required a dedicated trustee.
BTW, Does Mike Shields collect two salaries from FOP and Pension Board?
Anyone but Mike Shields for Pension Board!!!!
9/20/2012 04:17:00 PM
Pension Board is UNPAID. That is right, unpaid position, as a PO, the rep would get their PO pay from the city. As FOP President he gets his pay from FOP and zero for Pension Board Rep.
Anonymous said...
If I hear that "sleeping safely in our beds" line again, I will puke. Get over yourself already.
9/20/2012 08:53:00 AM
We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
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We sleep safe in our beds because kind and politically correct persons of all genders, races, religions and sexual persuasions stand at the ready with their legitimacy and verbal judo training to talk the living shit out of anyone who would do harm to any hetero sexual, gay, lgbt, cross dressing or pedophile democrat or republican home invader out there.
Meanwhile, kids sleep in cast iron bathtubs in Englewood because grandma knows the police cannot keep AK-47 bullets from going through the motherfucking house and killing little Tyrone or Lashonda.
Bathtub by Kohler cast iron keeps more kids safe in the tub-beds than do any rough men.
SWAT here........we need take home cars. Can anyone help us? Our Lt and chain of command could care less and they don't even try to help us. All the SWAT Sgts have take home cars and they are useless. I am sick of showing up on jobs in my own car and having to leave my personal stuff while on an HBT job in a high crime area.. Even our SWAT Support Staff and WMD Staff need them so they can get the trucks and heavy weapons trucks to us. If some boss who cares for SWAT reads the blog please help us get take home cars. Our response to a HBT time is slowed because I'm coming from one end of the city to the job. I know some of you think it's funny but what if you really need us and there is not enough on duty SWAT personnel. Several times I have blown lights or drive fast so I can respond to help our brothers and sisters in blue. I am sure we could find 50 squad cars between the districts and specialized units. Go ahead and make funny comments but it will be sad when one of us gets into an accident while driving to a job or we are caught in a traffic jam and we are not there to help the working police. Can't FOP help us? I would rather have a take home car then D-2 pay. This way all our responding SWAT officers and War Room officers are safe, coppers on the street are protected and the citizens know we will be there for them. Now let the thrashing begin but just think of all the units that have take home cars and don't deserve them.
That's a good idea douche bag. Get a car that they should give you and trade D 3 pay for it. I guess all the tests they give at SWAT they don't test your IQ. Don't be stupid. You must be one of the new guys.
American Airlines Pilots are doing everything they can, "By the Book," which is resulting in flight cancellations and excessive delays.
Their spokemans states that American has been unfair to the pilots.
The CPD should follow their lead and do everything by the book, until the city admits there is a manpower shortage and brings the department up to its full strength.
Little Mikey wants to stay on as Pension Board representative to do Rahm's dirty work.
Anonymous said...
OT.
Did anyone get to ride or see Producer Michael Moore doing a film here. It is about political curruption and how the CPD are not doing enough to get the murder rate down.
I heard he was in 014 front office Tuesday Morning. Bought lunch for the district folks and went to 013 to watch the picture taken there today.
It's about time he does another hit documentery. He is a real good dude.
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Fuck that liberal peice of shit. How can a fat ass be so one-sided on issues? He's a nice guy because he bought you lunch?
10 hour days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is a way to solve problem have officers work 5 days a week 12 hours a day for same pay stop your whining and realize we have to make a sacrafise we owe it to our city we owe to to our country
you should be happy you have a job 50,000 for 60 hours a week is more than enough . the city can hire provate security fotr ten bucks an hour so we better man up and make the sacrafise or the city will go bankrupt then we will be crying we cant feed our family so stop buying all those fancy toys and bear doen and make the sacrafises our forefathers made . also we shouldnt get paid to go to court unless its more than 10hours overtime come on get a life were do you think you can get a job making 50,000 for 60 or 70 hours a week .people in other countries make one tenth what we make and work 100 hours a week ,. man up and stop your whinning and do some darn work ,yes we should be making 1 to 3 arrests a day write at least 5 movers and a book of parkers and and 15 or 20 contact cards and a half dozen anovs and not expect to be paid to go to court we have to make bog sacrafise for the future of one of the best cities in the woorld not !!!! this is what i overheard someone say !!!!
how about no medical service for people that have more than ten arrest
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