"Code of Silence" Stands
- A federal judge Thursday turned down a city request to set aside a jury judgement that a “code of silence” in the Chicago Police Department played a role in the video taped beating of bartender Karolina Obrycka by police officer Anthony Abbate.
The city said it would still pay the full $850,000 in damages a jury awarded to Obrycka, but had asked the court to vacate the judgement so it would not set a precedent for potential future lawsuits against the city.
City attorneys had claimed the jury verdict was not clear and that the precedent set by it would be of little value in future cases.
But Judge Amy St. Eve in her decision noted that when the city had a chance to settle, it decided to pursue the case, calling it “a matter of principal.”
So this means one of two things:
- The city will now have to spend millions more dollars defending the supposed "Code of Silence" each and every time it's brought up in court.....OR
- enact real reforms, end the covering for the connected clout babies and actually put qualified people in the spots that they are capable of managing.
Since this is Rahm and the democrats running the show, expect Option #1 - it isn't their money that they're spending.
Labels: corruption, scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
60 Comments:
so when they are done screwing fucking and blaming the police, when we are dissolved to doing absolutely nothing; who will they blame then???????????
The cost just might be worth it; Rahm's head may explode. This could be the first time in history that he didn't get his way.
Same as it ever was.
Until one day like the fiscal cliff there will be no more kicking the can down the road avoiding the issues. The longer it takes the worst it's gonna be when it happens.
Was there any doubt it would be #1?
Rahm and his ilk would rather see the taxpayers pony up than to enact the reforms that would destroy their clout base.
"Code of where is the fucking snow?" I have more frost in my fridge??? Winter weather warning?? Seriously?? It was 50 fucking degrees at 6pm. We are surprised there isnt snow? Is this florida????
Oh boy. Here it comes. P.O. Spalding is going to stick it right in old Emanuel's ass after this judgement. The city is going to be fucked on that lawsuit too. Watch and see if she and her partner don't get a quick settlement. You heard it here first.
Do you think the city may start promoting and opening specialized units the legit way now? Stop putting the clouted cry babies in coveted spots? Doubtful. Fuck the city of Chicago for all u can.
YKW from PHS.
SS and DE are creaming in their jeans over this .
The media should single itself out, for its' Daley Machine "Code of Silence".
"Code of Silence" exists among schools, fraternities, 5th Amendment, secret societies, gangs, non-snitchers, priest confessionals, doctor-patient confidentiality, etc.
Why single cops out, when "code of silence" exists "everywhere"?
I still don't understand the code of silence route? Why won't someone argue that IAD got involved and there was never a coverup. My understanding of their position is because he wasn't charged with a felony its a cover up. IT WASN'T A FELONY battery. And the copper didn't write Abbates name in the report. Well how the HELL did IAD get involved? This is just screwing the taxpayers and the coppers.
I agree that he should have gotten charged with simple battery and official misconduct but nailing him to the cross to serve a political agenda? I understand some people think he should have been fired and may have some clout but the facts of the case are more important then how he kept his job.
Rahm was last seen mumbling to himself and mailing a dead fish to the judge...
It may also mean an efficient, streamlining of how IAD cases are handled and a lot more Officers might end up losing time and or their jobs. Time to clean it up boys & girls. Been said over and over, act like you are being filmed, with sound at all times. Even in your personal life, since that seems to be the area most coppers fired for. Stay safe!
When will the 009, third district female be stripped. She is unsafe. Her husband should not be able to save her. If the new commander in 009 does nothing then he will be just as much at fault. The commander wants sgts to come down on pos over uniform infractions but he is unwilling to discipline an officer who clearly has some issues. What a joke. All yhe third watch bosses know whats going on and not one is willing to do anything. Sad.
Since there isn't anymore code of silence. To SOME of the officer's from the old 013th district. Get over yourself we ARE all 012 stop with the ''in 013 we do blah blah blah'' speak. Do what you want, but don't think YOUR going to tell anyone else how to do something. I'm sure you can still be accommodated in a south side district if you don't like our new one. Remember your district is dust you small little man. Uh maybe that's it. You have little man syndrome. : D
wow i bet Tiny Dancer really winced and yelped with this one
now he knows how it feels to be "Reamed" without lube and a kiss
I heard McFlatOutLiar speak at an event recently, and since he said this, it must be true:
He said that there was no code of silence in the police department, that the only code of silence began and ended with the two responding officers, and no code of silence existed anywhere beyond that, higher up...therefore the code of silence verdict should be thrown out.
He honest-to-God said that. So it must be true, right? Just like everything on the internet? I don't know if he actually believes the crap that comes out of his mouth or if he's just good at keeping a straight face.
I'm putting all my money on #1.
I saw the report of this on channel two(Didn't know Bill Kurtis was back.) They played the same portion of the Abbate video in a loop so that it looked even worse than it actually was. Now I remember why I gave up channel two years ago.
Pretty hard to defend the one point the court and attorneys kept coming back to: The initial preliminary investigation by two beat guys at the tavern was woefully insufficient. In other words, it stunk.
This code of silence ruling is bad for us. I've been involved in several state and federal lawsuits over the last 20 years. everyone had a paragraph alleging the code of silence. Typically this allegation was discounted without merit or standing. Now a federal court says it exists. Watch and see, every lawsuit filed will allege a "code of silence" among officers. Juries will buy into it thanks to t.v. shows and get ready for punitive damages......
Retired....
Does this extend to the politicians, lawyers and judges that were part of this "code" ???
code of silence in chicago politics is feditis , bipolar and IG can't investigate aldercreatures
The code of silence is actually the how we should refer to the local media when addressing city governmental corruption. Always seem to miss these things. How about the silence regarding what "merit" is, oh and finally the overwhelming silence from our police unions, all of them regarding anything. Do something, say something! Useless FOP, PBPA.
Keep working boys and girls, incredible, what is the code of silence? More bullshit, abbbate is a pos now we all have to hear about bullshit? Wtf!
Fuck this city. Let them pay and pay through the nose. Although I don't believe there was any cover up in the Abbate case, I do believe there is a "Code of Silence" with the clout heavy command staff. Its a disgrace. Although I highly doubt anything will change, there is slim hope.
It is undeniable that there has been a long history of misconduct by members of the Chicago police department that has not been effectively dealt with for whatever reasons.
I doubt the public at large understands the nuances of just how it is that the troublesome individuals are seemingly untouchable.
They just assume it is endemic to the department as a whole, whether it is or is not.
Given the extreme secrecy with which the department operates, especially the disciplinary side of things, what else are they to think?
Not a cop.
On 20 Dec 12 on the 10 P.M. News, Channel 7 reported on Judge St. Eves decision on the Abbate case at approximately 2012 hrs. In the 14 minutes before the report aired, Channel 7 previewed the report by showing the female bartender being beaten up three times. Ron Majors and Kathy Brock really seem like fair and unbiased reporters don't they? It's time to change the channel.
Cline gave us the following:
Abbate
Weems
Jefferson Tap
002/Public Housing
SOS/Finnegan
If he had not hated the disciplinary system and had not done everything he could to shortstop it, we would not of suffered through Weis and now McCarthy.
DOJ/Civil Rights Division threatened to take over CPD and Daley agreed to bring in outsiders to run the place.
It is all Cline's fault!
GAry Schenkle USMC OEMC Next SUPT
I know there is a lot of us out there that have delt with the corp. council. Do you really think they are capable officers of the court?rham is a weasel that does not give two shits about this city, he thinks it's just a stepping stone to greater positions in government. It's time we threw out all the politicians and their minions.
Code of Silence? Is that like Hillary and Barack dodging questions concerning their murder of 4 Americans and the cover-up in Benghazi?
Somebody's gonna pay for this. Rahm wanted this reversed.
Doesn't that judge know that Rahm gets what Rahm wants?
I predict this judge may get a visit in the shower by a naked Rahm poking a finger in his chest.
Strange that you celebrate lawyers and ghetto lotto winners getting rich when the only ones who will pay is us, not the mayor...not the exempts. You guys are retarded.
I am really sick of everyone comming down on the two coppers that did the GOCR at the bar, not mentioning on the report that "Big Tony" may have been a Chicago copper.
Bar room bullshit (at the time).
no visible injuries to the "victim" (at the time).
Dog-ass Sgt on scene (at the time).
WE all know that it makes NO DIFFERENCE to the coppers on scene if the offender is listed as a copper on the GOCR.
Ask yourself, WHO has the additional work to do, when a copper is listed as an offender on a GOCR, and WHO likely discouraged that from happening.
It wasn't the guys wearing blue shirts...
Anonymous said...
When will the 009, third district female be stripped. She is unsafe. Her husband should not be able to save her. If the new commander in 009 does nothing then he will be just as much at fault. The commander wants sgts to come down on pos over uniform infractions but he is unwilling to discipline an officer who clearly has some issues. What a joke. All yhe third watch bosses know whats going on and not one is willing to do anything. Sad.
12/21/2012 07:11:00 AM
Since you have such a problem with her and keep posting the same thing over and over, why don't YOU get a CR # on her? I don't doubt she's nuts, but if you are so concerned, DO SOMETHING.
Fuk the CLOUTED!
It's not a "Code of Silence",its just no matter what we say or do,we are wrong.
Anonymous said...
Oh boy. Here it comes. P.O. Spalding is going to stick it right in old Emanuel's ass after this judgement. The city is going to be fucked on that lawsuit too. Watch and see if she and her partner don't get a quick settlement. You heard it here first.
Do you think the city may start promoting and opening specialized units the legit way now? Stop putting the clouted cry babies in coveted spots? Doubtful. Fuck the city of Chicago for all u can.
YKW from PHS.
12/21/2012 05:51:00 AM
These two nitwits have no case. Ole Dannny boy filed the suit hoping the force the Department into putting them in the last Sgt's class. That kinda blew up in his face, now he's stuck with them. "Dumped" to fugitive apprehension. Fucking please!
QUESTION: "Officer, are you now participating in a Code of Silence?",
ANSWER: I don't know what that is."
Easy, Yes?
So what happens to the lyin PIECE OF SHIT Debra Kirby? Does she walk or get indicted for perjury and do prison time? Code Of Silence?
Yup in 20 the day LT told us anyone without proper uniform will be written up. Boy ,good thing she doesnt do anything about the dogs playin games all day(same guy goes to area daily for a flat,guy sees the time keeper daily,1 hour on reports reading e=mails and hold me on a stop -allday-.But make sure u have a star and nameplate
I saw a blurb about a news story coming up about a copper who killed a guy admitting he'd been drinking before coming to work? The news showed footage of what appeared to be the copper shooting the guy on the ground.
Is this the shooting where McStoopid said the guy should have been on desk duty?
DOES IT NEVER END?????
More ammo for the "cops be killin our kids' crowd.
Holy FUCK.
You can thank Alphonso "have another koolaid" wysinger for this current cracking down on name tags and stars. Because if you aren't wearing one, you must be up to no good.
Anonymous said...
Since there isn't anymore code of silence. To SOME of the officer's from the old 013th district. Get over yourself we ARE all 012 stop with the ''in 013 we do blah blah blah'' speak. Do what you want, but don't think YOUR going to tell anyone else how to do something. I'm sure you can still be accommodated in a south side district if you don't like our new one. Remember your district is dust you small little man. Uh maybe that's it. You have little man syndrome. : D
12/21/2012 07:16:00 AM
you shouldn't talk asswipe. Seems that some if not many of the 012 officers feel or at least make it seem like we invaded your space. The old 013 th district didn't ask to merge with you, didn't want to merge with you and definately didn't ask to work with crybabies who bitch that 013's seniority kicked a lot of po's off bid spots because they dont have enough time to keep it. Deal with it, live with it because it's not going to go away Do what you want, but don't think YOUR going to tell anyone else how to do something. I'm sure you can still be accommodated in a south side district if you don't like our new one. Remember your district is dust you small little man. how's it feel to be told the same shit D-bag!! Ouch !
Sooner or later, every bill comes due and has to be paid.
For years, Chicago had a 2-tiered discipline procedure. The "A" list skated regardless and the "B" (anyone not on the "A" list) got bit.
From discipline to the Hired Trucks to no-bid contracts, the City played.
Now they pay...or we the taxpayers pay.
The sad thing is that not the City will try to prove that there is no "Code" and they will do that by hammering any "B" lister that steps in it. Whether he deserves it or not.
And Loevy & Loevy rejoiced
I am not saying anything
So let me understand this. A jury, and I won't go into the make up of the sorry jury pools we have, votes on this and says it's so, and now it's written into law,... there is a code of silence, hahahaha, . This city, county, country is f--ked
And it only came out briefly that one of the persons fighting the city regarding keeping this in law just happens to be suing the city in another case, funny how that happens.
Listening to how well you guys are merging, when's 024 merging?
You have the right to remain silent if you........FUK you very much and when does the lawyer get hear.
Officer you must cooperate or.... You are violating my rights by coercion! I get rich you get fired and sued!
What channel do you watch? CNN MSNBC? TEVO THIS TONIGHT!
To both of you crying 12 and 13 disrict cops: I've worked in both districts briefly and was amazed with both. Amazed at how little you do and how much you complain. Both districts are made for each other. Sorry to the few officers in these districts that actually do their jobs and shut up, but you guys know what I'm talking about. Lot of career do-nothings and people that forgot how good they have it.
21 year vet waiting for right moment to pull plug. Still having fun and still getting paid on time
I don't RECALL!
Ah Amy St. Eve...never met a Loevy she did'nt like. Including her former clerk who is now an associate in their office.
Yea...it's legit here.
Thank you, 10:28:00 pm. Couldn't have said it better myself. Wonder how many of our new colleagues realize the commander lives in the old 013 and has for years. She knows what good cops we brought to the merge.
Glad that this ruling stood. Rather than tarnishing the CPD, the Code of Clout permeates the entire City of Chicago government.
The Code of Clout covers for anyone who is connected to the political insiders, just as Abbate was as described here on the blog.
Just another day in Chicago.
You can thank Alphonso "have another koolaid" wysinger for this current cracking down on name tags and stars. Because if you aren't wearing one, you must be up to no good.
12/21/2012 09:54:00 PM
Wear your star and name tag. Shave every day and wssh your uniform. Cut you hair to Department standards. Now, was that so hard?
On that note: does that mean that all the gotees, predator locks, dreads, beads, doo rags, earings and pretend ball caps are now off the table? Across the board enforcement is what is needed. All animals are created equal.
The city had the opportunity to settle out of court. Now they have to live with the results.
What is the 2012 tab for this bs? $850k + here to defend this asshole, over $600k to the NRA to defend an unconstitutional gun ban. Where does it en?
Anonymous said...
You can thank Alphonso "have another koolaid" wysinger for this current cracking down on name tags and stars. Because if you aren't wearing one, you must be up to no good.
12/21/2012 09:54:00 PM
So, wear the proper uniform items and it's a non-issue. You're seriously bitching because someone wants you to wear your name tag and star???
Day after day, month after month, year after year, it's the same complaints on this job.
Workers vs. non-workers.
Desk dollies vs. street cops.
Clouted vs. non-clouted.
Good spellers vs. bad spellers. :)
Windbags vs. men of few words :)
I came on almost 27 years ago, and I can tell you, these are the same complaints I heard then--although not on a blog, of course, since we were doing reports with quills and inkwells.
Instead of constantly trashing each other and being worried about who is getting away with what, you should all do yourselves a favor and quit wasting your time and causing yourselves aggravation about these issues that were here before you got on the job and will be here after you leave the job, even if you only have 1 year seniority.
Be concerned with yourself, find people you can rely on out on the street. Do what you need to do if another officer endangers your well-being or your integrity. That's it.
Life is short. Bitching isn't going to change a thing, no matter which side you are on.
Go to work, have fun, stay safe, play the game as much as you can to your advantage. Worry about the things that really matter, your family and friends' health and well-being.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a healthy, safe, and Happy New Year.
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