Friday, December 21, 2012

Inconvenient Facts

Stubborn things, those facts.  Especially when they run against the message being pushed by the left and their tame media sources:
  • A few things you won’t hear about from the saturation coverage of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre:

    Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.

    In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.

    Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.
That from a criminologist - one who actually studies criminals and criminal behavior.

Or this:
  • Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.

    I spoke with Lott after the Newtown shooting, and he confirmed that nothing has changed to alter his findings. He noted that the Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home. The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn’t the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.

    “Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.”

    Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

A couple economists - people studying cause-and-effect.

And finally:
  • There is no evidence that private holders of concealed-carry permits (which are either easy to obtain or not even required in more than 40 states) are any more irresponsible with firearms than the police. According to a 2005 to 2007 study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin and Bowling Green State University, police nationwide were convicted of firearms violations at least at a 0.002 percent annual rate. That’s about the same rate as holders of carry permits in the states with “shall issue” laws.
Two-thousands-of-one-percent.  We like those odds.

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32 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...


The largest mass murder inside the US outside of the 9-11 attacks was the Happy Land fire wasn't it?

And that didn't even use a gun.

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The Happy Land fire was an arson fire that killed 87 people trapped in an unlicensed social club called "Happy Land" (at 1959 Southern Boulevard) in the West Farms section of The Bronx, New York, on March 25, 1990. Most of the victims were young ethnic Hondurans celebrating Carnival.[1] Unemployed Cuban refugee Julio González, whose former girlfriend was employed at the club, was arrested shortly after and ultimately convicted of arson and murder.

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Before the blaze, Happy Land was ordered closed for building code violations in November 1988. Violations included no fire exits, alarms or sprinkler system. No follow-up by the fire department was documented.[2]

The evening of the fire, González had argued with his former girlfriend, Lydia Feliciano, a coat check girl at the club, urging her to quit. She claimed that she had had enough of him and wanted nothing to do with him anymore. González tried to fight back into the club but was ejected by the bouncer. He was heard to scream drunken threats in the process. González was enraged, not just because of losing Lydia, but also because he had recently lost his job at a lamp factory, was impoverished, and had virtually no companions.[citation needed] González returned to the establishment with a plastic container of gasoline which he found on the ground and had filled at a gas station. He spread the fuel on the only staircase into the club. Two matches were then used to ignite the gasoline.[citation needed]

The fire exits had been blocked to prevent people from entering without paying the cover charge. In the panic that ensued, a few people escaped by breaking a metal gate over one door.[citation needed]

González then returned home, took off his gasoline-soaked clothes and fell asleep. He was arrested the following afternoon after authorities interviewed Lydia Feliciano and learned of the previous night's argument. Once advised of his rights, he admitted to starting the blaze. A psychological examination found him to be not responsible due to mental illness or defect;[citation needed] but the jury, after deliberation, found him to be criminally responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

BAN GASOLINE AND GAS CANS!

Because people that are mentally unstable and willing to do a mass murder suicide will adapt and choose what's easily available.

There's no three day waiting period and background check for a can of gasoline. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

12/21/2012 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If what you say is true then what is the real motivation for this attack on the second ammendment ?
Are the polititions calling for civilian dissarmament ignorant, or worse ?

12/21/2012 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Way to go SCC. Stay with your support of responsible gun ownership. The media has an agenda that they are trying to push. You frame your arguments well and support them with facts. Bravo.

12/21/2012 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Worst school killing was in Bath, Michigan where a man killed his wife first then 38 CHILDREN. With a bomb. No gun.

12/21/2012 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm this just makes what to much sense for a libtard to comprehend. But it leaves me wondering what the circumstances would be for a police officer to be convicted of a firearms violation?

12/21/2012 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Criminologist Grant Duwe didn't tell you was that the reason the high point of mass killings back in 1929, it had to do with prohibition. It was gangsters killing other gangsters, you know, like Capone, and Nitti, Machine Gun Kelly, Joe Masseria, and Salvatore Maranzano.

The people doing the mass killing back then weren't going into schools, or theaters to kill innocent people, they were killing each other because they were involved in organized criminal activity.

Not only that, but it was the Depression. I'm sure people were killing for food and money, it was desperate times back then.




12/21/2012 02:06:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

The press will never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

12/21/2012 02:34:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Rahm, Quinn, and Obama will find ways to discount this story.

12/21/2012 02:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember it's the same presidential administration who sent " assault rifles" to Mexico Fast and Furious debunkol
and this is a double standard in my book.

12/21/2012 02:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting...but the mass killings in the 1920s were gangsters in the prohibition area. Not the same thing.

12/21/2012 03:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Don't look over here :

Pat Quinn
Illinois Near Top of States Cutting Mental Health Programs


Don't look at Illinois and Chicago throwing the mentally ill on the streets to fend for themselves.

The very people likely to pick up a gun and go Rambo on a classroom.

OH, no-no-no, we need those people off their meds and on the loose to create the crisis so we can get gun bans and regulations in place.

Use the crisis but create the crisis first then tell us how you are saving us from the crisis.

12/21/2012 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The other stats that fail to make all the news...
Enforcement of 'existing gun laws' peaked to an all time high during Bush's administration.
Presently, during BHO's (first 4 years) administration enforcement of 'existing gun laws' are down 43%.

Coinkydink? I don't think so, move along now nuttin' to see here.

12/21/2012 07:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but my question is this
do you really think joe and fienstien
care about lott's findings?
Mrs. Fienstien so badly want to take away your right to the 2nd amendment
while going quietly about excereciseing her right while restricting yours
as stated before
Never Ever let the Facts get in the way of a good story

12/21/2012 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Facts! How dare you give me facts! I'm a liberal! I work on emotion! Because I'm more like a little girl.

12/21/2012 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Interesting...but the mass killings in the 1920s were gangsters in the prohibition area. Not the same thing.

12/21/2012 03:22:00 AM

Shut up, socialist propaganda czar. Read the information again and understand facts. Then pull your head out of the Party leader's ass and take a breath of fresh air before speaking again. You might notice that those gangsters you mentioned are black today and committing even more murders.

Idiot.

12/21/2012 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that at the next City council meeting every aldermen and woman should be made to stand up and state if the have an FOID card and if they do, do they own a gun. They should then be subject to a search by CPD

12/21/2012 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Mt Greenwood Hillbilly said...

Firearms laws are not about controlling violence, they are about controlling the law abiding citizen. This is why the gun banners will ignore the facts.

12/21/2012 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Democrats hate facts and so does the bullshit media. We should restrict the 1`st amendment to print only the truth.

12/21/2012 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous SurvivalAndProsperity.com said...

1920s aside, Grant Duwe, that criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, also notes that mass shootings rose between the 1960s and 1990s before dropping in the 2000s.

12/21/2012 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the Dept. of Justice's most recently available statistics, of the 452 murders in Illinois in 2010, only one was committed using a rifle. In 2011 in Illinois, only three of the 453 murders involved a long gun. I suspect that calls for assault weapon bans, most recently by Governor Quinn, are really politically motivated moves for votes, or are in reality, a hoped for first step towards a complete gun ban.

Here is a link to the statistics. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

12/21/2012 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you asked any adult in the sandyhook school, present the day of the shooting; Do you wish you had firearm training and access to a firearm that day, I bet they all answer yes.

12/21/2012 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even with all that data the fucktards in the Illinois Legislature will try to put as many restrictions on concealed carry.

Call your elected officials in Springfield and tell them to pass a SHALL ISSUE carry bill.

Rahm, Madigan and their cronies are scheming to fuck over the law abiding citizens of IL once again....

SHALL ISSUE !!!!

No one should have to justify their desire to protect themselves to the government to get a carry permit....

12/21/2012 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well from the CPDs own 2011 Murder analysis report we have some data...
433 Total murders in Chicago
361 were shooting victims 83% - Page 22.
Then it gets confusing for the mayor (and cops since the numbers change a little on page 23, but are close, they state 361 shooting murders, then on page 23 say its 362).

Breakdown:
351 were shot with a pistol.
1 was shot with a rifle.
5 with a shotgun.
and 5 "unknown".

Assuming ALL of the unknowns are rifle shot. We cant say these are even "assault rifles" but lets assume even though statistically all unknowns being rifles and all being assault rifles is a reach.

That's 6. SIX total, as compared to 351 with all the assumptions in the mayor's favor. More than likely none of them were rifle shot (seeing how known incidents show a 1:351 ratio of rifles to pistols).

So basically an assault weapons ban does nothing, even if you could magically collect them all right?

1 out of 362 is 0.27% of the murders...
6 out of 362 is 1.6% assuming all of the numbers fall the Mayor's way.

12/21/2012 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not to late to give your love ones a NRA membership for Christmas.

12/21/2012 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The dumbs of Cook Cty have their agenda to control good hard working people every way they can. There will always be wack jobs in this country who create havoc no matter what the law says. Protect yourself people!!!
MS

12/21/2012 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are so right. People should boycott or not enter any place that post a sign banning guns, it only makes for a target rich enviroment. Most politicians carry guns but do not want the populace to have the right of self protection. We have to term limit all politicians , regardless of their beleifs.

12/21/2012 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger Roger in Republic said...

Anonymous said...
Hmmm this just makes what to much sense for a libtard to comprehend. But it leaves me wondering what the circumstances would be for a police officer to be convicted of a firearms violation?

12/21/2012 12:32:00 AM

I think being drunk out of your mind and shooting at street lights might be a Firearm Violation. What do ya think?

12/21/2012 04:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shut up, socialist propaganda czar. Read the information again and understand facts. Then pull your head out of the Party leader's ass and take a breath of fresh air before speaking again. You might notice that those gangsters you mentioned are black today and committing even more murders.

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You contradict your own statement.

12/21/2012 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think that at the next City council meeting every aldermen and woman should be made to stand up and state if the have an FOID card and if they do, do they own a gun. They should then be subject to a search by CPD"


All Chicago aldermen are peace officers, with powers of arrest. They are issued Chicago Alderman Stars and can carry a gun, on or off duty, just like you.




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12/21/2012 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing like letting the truth get in the way of a good news story

12/21/2012 07:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"I think that at the next City council meeting every aldermen and woman should be made to stand up and state if the have an FOID card and if they do, do they own a gun. They should then be subject to a search by CPD"


All Chicago aldermen are peace officers, with powers of arrest. They are issued Chicago Alderman Stars and can carry a gun, on or off duty, just like you.




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12/21/2012 06:01:00 PM


That is good only within Chicago. They are not Illinois State certified since they did not receive the state approved course or qualify under state requirements. Outside Chicago they are just another mope.

The City of Chicago can declare aldermen Emperors of the Universe and that designation goes right back to jerk when they cross the city limits.

12/22/2012 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's gonna happen in Illinois. CCW will be in effect by July 2013 but Illinois greedy democrats see it as $$$ ans will tax the shit out for this one.

12/23/2012 12:39:00 AM  

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