Tuition Reimbursement on the Way Out?
It's on the table at least. Expect this in the city's "offer" for all ranks:
- Reimbursement will be limited to twelve (12) classes during the Sergeant's career and limited to 50% of the cost of each class.
That's directly from the e-mail forwarded to us by a friendly white shirt and it is the city's proposal.
Rahm is going for broke on this one ladies and gents.
Rahm is going for broke on this one ladies and gents.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Only if we can get vouchers to send our kids to New Trier HS right where Rahm went. He can blow me, rotten snake mother fucker.
The Education Mayor!
That's gonna ensure the future of Chicago. Or is it gonna protect the status quo of the royal families running this city?
Kicking y'all down the side of the Maslow pyramid. Don't give 'em a hand up. Kick their azz down. get - GET - Get off my Maggie Daley park lawn.
What if you start the degree (or law school) before the new contract goes into effect?
Yea well it ain't in the offer to the police officers.
"Sergeant's career"? how about for a blue shirt? same limit?
I suppose a degeee or so many college hours for advancing your career will no longer be required and we will be grandfathered in.
tough shit.
OK... Then I don't owe you 2 years of additional service for 50% billing on twelve classes...
Call it "Employee Growth & Development."
HAAAAA!
See what I did?
Saint Xavier, Lewis, Cal Collge, etc. All just shit a brick!!
WTF Lewis University will fold
LoL
http://watchdog.org/96500/illinois-rewarded-for-misspending-only-52-million-on-food-stamps/
But 52 Million for Food Stamps
Your a Fool if you do police work
Do Nothing let this place burn!
Just you wait until the city gets finished responding to all the proposals the FOP game them, not to mention tabeling their own proposals.
Rumor has it that the city's chief labor negotiator for our contract (Jim Franczek) and his entourage openly snickered and made snide remarks during the initial submission of our proposals.
If it's true they openly thumbed their nose at us at that stage of the game (at Tiny Dancer's behest, no doubt) then I'm sure yanking some/all of tuition reimbursement doesn't mean shit to them either.
Strap in for the long haul, folks. Rahm will drag this out well past the upcoming FOP election to be able to strike at us when/if there's a change of power in the board members.
Rahm. Going after this because he knows we don' t need a college degree to push a beat car around! Besides it is all about who you know rather than what u know anyway! Just look at Metra!
It was a total waste of taxpayer money anyway, and I mean that as a taxpayer. How many coppers spent all our money and helped the Department?
I do know a bunch that got their law license and skipped, or worse practice against us. The return on investment was terrible.
Pensions - Level playing field
The moral and legal obligation to pay officers their promised pension benefits for their services is just as strong as the obligation to repay the bankers, bond investors and businesses who do business with the City.
You get what you vote for.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
they can start from a clean slate if they really wanted to. not real practical, but its not impossible.
its a negotiation. they can make any suggestions they want to.
I still have no Idea why we aren't fighting for residency. No matter what has to be changed...change it!
residency. "oh, we can't! It can't be done! you knew when you signed up!" shut up. We can try.
Before you all get your panties in wad it should be pointed out that this is not an issue in the po's contract.
It should also be pointed out that by the time you make sergeant, you likely already have a full degree or a masters. Why should the City be on the hook for an advanced degree that only benefits the sergeant in his future employment?
A benefit long past it's time. Good place to start cutting.
Anonymous said...
I suppose a degeee or so many college hours for advancing your career will no longer be required and we will be grandfathered in.
7/22/2013 01:17:00 AM
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Not to sound like a company man, but look at it this way: to come on now, you have to have 60 credit hours already. Anyone, who has some time on this job and hasn't already taken advantage of the tuition reimbursement plan is a fool. Any newbie who hasn't jumped on this as soon as they were able to is crazy too.
What ???
no more worthless phd's, masters, or other BS advancements for our erudite bosses ? For doing less than one quarter of the normal required assignments.
How shall they pad their resumes?
Looks like they will have to return to the e$crow ways of the past for future promotions.
wink wink
nah
I've always said if you haven't been taking advantage of it already you're too stupid to care if they take it away.
Anyone hear that Sgt Ron Watts plead guilty? From 002.
Did rahm ever collect the millions owed to Chicago from south suburbs for over due water bills.
will the free shit end for the lazy citizens?21 atrlial
I was at the sergeant's union meeting last Thursday.
The word is the arbitrator may rule by September.
You can bet whatever the sergeants get they will drag down the FOP, LTS and Captains.
The tuition deal of the city only paying for 12 classes over the sergeant's career is the same thing the city is asking for from sergeants.
Also, the city is asking that when a sergeant is on NON-IOD MEDICAL, the city does not have to pay them Duty Availability or the Supervisor Quarterly Differential for the days they are on medical.
As far as wages are concerned; the city is offering 6% over the 4 year deal.
The Union is asking for 15% over 4 years.
Last, the city wants us to "kick back" 4% of our pension for an "age 55" health care plan.
The union wants to maintain the current "free" benefit.
The city (Democrats) are complaining that health insurance is getting too expensive and we should have to pay more.
Didn't this BASTARD Mayor work to push "Obama Care" AKA: the "AFFORDABLE Health Care plan"?
Take a good close look at the competency of the command staff of the CPD. We don't need an education incentive. It's not working. Go back to the days of the GED and common sense. That can't be taught in school but the whole upper echelon of CPD needs the lesson.
WTF Lewis University will fold
LoL
7/22/2013 02:56:00 AM
And the Jerry Lewis University king of tuition reimbursement, John Roberts, just called for the bambulance!
I know this is off topic but did anyone else hear Mancow this morning. He was on his TV show ripping the police in general and the performance of the Chicago police in particular at last years summit. He states that the were there to beat on the protestors. He prefaced it by saying I'm a law and order guy but......
What a two faced jerk.
Mike Adams
Natural News
July 22, 2013
Last week, Detroit declared bankruptcy, becoming the largest city in U.S. history to take such drastic action in the face of financial insolvency. A declaration of bankruptcy isn’t what most people think it is, though: it’s not just a statement of “we’re broke!” It’s actually a way for the city to clear its slate of all financial obligations and not pay the retirees it owes.
sorry, more from Natural News story:
But even as all this was becoming apparent, the government workers there continued to collect fat paychecks and pensions, all based on the promise that endless population growth would out-pace the rise in pension obligations. Many pensioners are owed over $100,000 a year from the government, and this is true across California, Illinois and many other states as well.
Chicago, for example, owes $19 billion in pension payments that it doesn’t have, and the city of Los Angeles is more than $30 billion in the hole. The story is much the same in every major U.S. city.
ek.
Why do *I* have to follow the Constitution and my GO's, then?
Washington’s Blog
July 22, 2013
The Department of Justice told a federal court this week that the NSA’s spying “cannot be challenged in a court of law”.
(This is especially dramatic given that numerous federal judges and legal scholars – including a former FISA judge – say that the FISA spying “court” is nothing but a kangaroo court.)
Also this week, the Department of Justice told a federal court that the courts cannot review the legality of the government’s assassination by drone of Americans abroad:
“‘Are you saying that a US citizen targeted by the United States in a foreign country has no constitutional rights?’ [the judge] asked Brian Hauck, a deputy assistant attorney general. ‘How broadly are you asserting the right of the United States to target an American citizen? Where is the limit to this?’
“She provided her own answer: ‘The limit is the courthouse door’ . . . .
“‘Mr. Hauck acknowledged that Americans targeted overseas do have rights, but he said they could not be enforced in court either before or after the Americans were killed.’”
Don't need no edumaction, just know how to vote Democrat is all that is needed in Chicago.
Rahm has a city, and it will look like Nagasaki (AUG,1945) when he leaves.
A city that endured a nuclear strike has been rebuilt and is thriving, meanwhile Detroit under 52 years of Democratic Mayoral rule is dead.
Dam, I guess the gun training from the ALPA Girls university will not be covered. Dam, will have to dig deep for them. NOT>>>>>>
Where'z our tuition money?
Rahm spent it on speed trap cameras!
Where'z the income from the speed trap cameras gonna go hahahaha. guess.
The FOP better fight for that. I mean seriously, how can they even think of taking that away!? and still want us to get ahead. As it is, the city requires us to live in the city and our kids tuitions, it gets expensive with just our salary alone and let's not mention the divorces and so forth. It is not easy to live in the city, it's expensive. All in combination, the city should continue to provide this tution benefit, every cop should be entitled to get a degree and that's just in case if ever severely getting hurt and no longer able to work the beat. The city is not even giving a cost of living raise, but this is for the FOP to start fighting and keep fighting, give them nothing. We have it, we should keep it.
OT: BAN OUTDOOR USE OF CELL PHONES
Rahm's free wifi at the beach is a crime magnet.
They gonna jump down turn-a-round pick an Apple I-phone / jump down turn-a-round pick some phones today.
Ohhh lawdy pick an Apple I-phone / Ohh lawdy they'll just use some pepper spray...
Seems like they will pepper spray you in bars and they will pepper spray you in bars.
Pepper spray you on the streets as they knock you off your feet's.
They will pepper spray you at your home if you're 'fraid to be alone.
They will pepper spray you on the train and even pepper spray you in the rain.
Immerse yourself in Chicago's crime is down culture.
The penny pinching continues; in another instance, tuition reimbursement or discounts have been refused to those who enrolled in adult ed classes rather than credit classes.
Advanced degrees did nothing for the CPD.
It is about time that Jerry Lewis University and Saint Javier graduates actually do police work.
When is the FOP going to put on its website the old contract, then what the FOP proposes and what the city proposes for the new contract.
It gives you an idea of where each is going and also shows what both parties accept and what they both want to remain from the old contract
When arbitration begins the only points that can be arbitrated are the points clearly spelled out in this document. They did it prior to last contract
If you give a man a fish they will eat for a day.
However if you teach a man to fish they will become an indentured servant to the federal student loan program for the rest of their life!
McDonalds and VISA just put out a pamphlet to their employees to show them how to budget their money to live on a min wage.
No joke. Google it.
I thought it was a piece from Onion (that web site that does parodies but the story is for real).
Mc'D's first calculates wages at min wage for a 36 hour work week and comes up with something like $1,100 dollars after taxes ( i don't remember the exact amount)
Anyways, then the number one thing they tell employees to do is to get a second job to increase that income to over $2,200 dollars. HAHAHA.
So that's another 35 hour min-wage job. Work your azz off 70~90 hours a week!
The American Dream!
There's no money in the McD's budget for heat. For a car they budget $150/month and wait for it..for healthcare it's $20.00 !! Maybe you could buy a bottle of aspirin and a box of band-aids eh? Arrogant bastards. That's how people at Rahm's level think.
We're wondering...are the 2,000 teachers that Rahm is giving pink slips to going to now enroll in the local community college to learn the skills of the 21st century?
Filling the so-called gap of qualified welders as reported by AAR corp and Rahm several months ago?
Or perhaps the highly educated master degree holding workforce will choose to move downstate and bid for one of those highly touted jobs the Governor speaks about -- mining high sulfur coal for export?
Meanwhile as Detroit begins to sell off it's assets to the banks and corporations because they have nothing I would just like to remind you all that USPS is still BUSTED and looking for an Obama bailout!
The entire economy is a fraud.
OH look GDP grew by a trillion dollars. haha. but it took two trillion in debt to get there, borrowing via bond sales to produce that number.
Bend over, that's what Washington and the Fed calls Quantitative Easing.
They've borrowed trillions of dollars to pump up wall street stocks to present an illusion of economic growth where there is no economic growth.
Not a word about city casino's -- have you noticed that?
With all the cities financial hardships you would think that any revenue generating project would be fast-tracked to get that cash flowing.
BUT NO! WHY NOT!
Because if money starts to flow in from a casino the teachers and cops will want that money for raises and pensions and healthcare. EFF that. That money generated there has to go to the clouted families first and maybe after that should they feel charitable we'll get some bread crumbs thrown our way.
So no-no-no Shhhhhhh, Snitches get stitches don't anyone bring up casino talk. We have pushed it off the front page of the main stream media and that's where it should stay!
You'll ruin everything if you start talking about casino revenue while the political apparatus is demonizing the pensions they promised.
Besides, Rahm is bitter and has a score to settle with the teachers union. This DINO is out to bust them.
Political weasel words.
Remember when they told us all that the 66% personal income tax rate from 3% to 5% was going to be temporary.
Well it is. They are going to replace it with a graduated income tax rate with the top bracket being 11%
HOW YA LIKE THEM APPLES.
Don't want them to steal your pension money over there. Okay fine then we'll take it from you wages over here and you'll still get a net loss in wealth.
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Jim Nowlan…
The Center for Tax and Budget Accountability in Chicago has a mission of putting a few more bucks in the pockets of the working poor. It is a good-hearted group, and I helped found it. The Center has proposed a state income tax that would be graduated from 5 percent to 11 percent, the highest rate for those with incomes over $1 million.
The Center claims that under their proposal 94 percent of Illinois workers would actually pay less in taxes, because of liberal individual exemptions from the tax, while the rich would share more of the burden
We do need to figure out how to rebuild a middle class that has eroded into working poor status in recent decades. The Center points out that between 1979 and 2010, inflation-adjusted wages for the bottom 60 percent of workers actually dropped while for the top ten percent wages went up 23 percent.
* * * * *
Minnesota’s recent enactment of higher progressive rates has been met with pretty strong public approval…
An income tax increase on the wealthiest Minnesotans, the centerpiece of Gov. Mark Dayton’s budget, is supported by 58 percent of those polled, compared with 36 percent opposed. […]
(T)he Legislature created a new tax rate of 9.85 percent for adjusted gross income above $250,000 for couples and above $150,000 for individuals. Income below those levels will continue to be taxed at existing rates. Dayton has said the increase applies to about 2 percent of all taxpayers.
more >> http://capitolfax.com/2013/07/22/question-of-the-day-1634/
Well, I guess they need the money to send illegal immigrants to school. Everyone has to make sacrifices, except if you commit a crime, or you happen to be part of a race that was mistreated hundreds of years ago...
Q. Why Chicago politicians don't care about shootings here?
A, Obamacare
Obamacare rollout begins here
Monday, Jul 22, 2013
* From a press release…
Governor Pat Quinn today signed legislation that enacts a critical part of President Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA) by making Medicaid coverage available to all low-income adults in Illinois.
* * * * *
Sponsored by State Senator Heather Steans (D-Chicago) and State Representative Sara Feigenholtz (D-Chicago), Senate Bill 26 will make Medicaid coverage available to adults with annual income below 138 percent of the federal poverty line, which is $15,860 for individuals and $21,408 for couples. The measure is expected to enroll 342,000 people by 2017. Currently, Medicaid is only available to children, their parents or guardians, adults with disabilities or seniors. Enrollment for the newly eligible population will begin Oct. 1 with coverage starting on Jan. 1.
Under the ACA, for the first three years, coverage of newly eligible adults will be 100 percent federally funded. The reimbursement rate will phase down to 90 percent by 2020. State officials estimate this will bring more than $12 billion in new federal funding to support the state’s health care system from 2014 to 2020.
http://capitolfax.com/2013/07/22/obamacare-rollout-begins-here/
So every person that gets shot in Illinois that has no health insurance -- those ER bills will be paid by the Fed.
Every tine a GSW victim is rolled into the ER the mayor hears a cash register ring.
It's good for the local GDP!
BANG_BANG_BANG cha-chin, cha-ching, cha-ching Look at that economic growth baby!
The hits never stop on the members of the CPD. Retired and never seen how poorly copper' are treated by this no where to be found Mayor and the fool from Jersey.
You good people keep your cool the best you can. Feel terrible for people who give so much to the city and get nothing in return.
May God bless all of you on the streets of this shit city.
The person that said do nothing let this place burn is an idiot. A lot of people currently and retired have family here.We all own homes here you fool!Unless you live in an apartment or mommy and daddy's house! If you want your property to go to shit because of lack of work ethic then retire you dog ass. Vote this shit fucker out point blank if all of you would have voted Chico this mess would not have happened!
So. Pay your own way. Typical responses here from all the hands out crowd. Looking for something for nothing. Don't tell me everyone took this job because of the great tuition reimbursement program. Everyone always complains about people wanting shit for nothing. Well boys and girls this is definitely a perk that has been afforded you for many, many years. It is definitely one way to save some money around this place.
OT: Dennis Farina has passed away: http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/22/showbiz/dennis-farina-obituary/index.html
Hey Tom Dart.........
If you are going to be such a camera whore, why don't you get a job with Father Phoney?
This will effectively kill all the play colleges that offer degrees in law enforcement or police psychology. Bye-bye Adler! Thanks for all the "quality" graduate degrees.
It's a waste of tax payer money.
Tuition reimbursement is only a bargaining chip to them. They will cut it no matter what, the bargain is to what degree; and the fact that they will bargain it up from 12 classes means they want something substantial in return; like pay more into and take less pension, or eliminate the uniform allowance and duty availability. Watch the snakes slither. Screw them, if they want to take the tuition, tell them we'll take the 12 classes and then hit them with the fact we want the difference in pay. Up our yearly percentage, up our duty availability, up their pension contribution (after making good on their already defaulted portion)and/or up our base salary and we'll take the incremental increases from the new base pay.
take a look at the other proposals to the sgt's....
I got on this job without college, and I could not get promoted without it. Should of been grandfathered in in the 1st place. Sorry if I don't feel sorry for most but not all of you cops who in my experience were able to adjust your hours or work on certain shift because you cry to the watch commander that you were in school. Then you dog jobs or are too tired because of home work.
FLOP Shields Capparelli Silent
Again No Leadership
Rahm will simply make all City Colleges graduate schools.
Problem solved.
Sad to see it go, but tuition reimbursement has never been seen in many places in the private sector. The exception are nurses who are employed at hospitals only. It should all so be a thing of the past for teachers. They make plenty of cash and have a lot of time off to go to school. Besides they get a substantial raise for more education.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
residency. "oh, we can't! It can't be done! you knew when you signed up!" shut up. We can try.
7/22/2013 07:54:00 AM
F***ing right we should!!!!
Chicago Public School teachers never received reimbursement checks for education.
Who cares if we lose it? It was an unrealistic perk anyway and the majority already got their education before they came on. They are far more important things to fight for.
To the barney fife on the mokena police dept. Great pinch today on the 8 over on a cornfield road. I guess professional courtesy means being a jagoff and demanding an explanation while pulled over in front of family members home. A hearty Fuck you and my explanation is leave police work to the real police
Anonymous said...
It was a total waste of taxpayer money anyway, and I mean that as a taxpayer. How many coppers spent all our money and helped the Department?
I do know a bunch that got their law license and skipped, or worse practice against us. The return on investment was terrible.
7/22/2013 05:26:00 AM
Same could be said for any time off other than two-weeks a year.
You sir are a pussy.
If you think the money that is saved by cutting tuition reimbursement will better used or provide a better return else where, then you are not only a pussy but a blind-stupid-pussy.
Anonymous said...
I know this is off topic but did anyone else hear Mancow this morning. He was on his TV show ripping the police in general and the performance of the Chicago police in particular at last years summit. He states that the were there to beat on the protestors. He prefaced it by saying I'm a law and order guy but......
What a two faced jerk.
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Mancow became irrelevant in this city fifteen years ago.
Jim Franczek wasn't even at negotiations. You are a tool
They already stopped tuition reimbursement. I'm still waiting for mine from 4 years ago...
Alderman gets White House award, admits talking to FBI
Anonymous said...
FLOP Shields Capparelli Silent
Again No Leadership
7/22/2013 04:39:00 PM
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As of today this is not on the table for FOP members.
This is an alleged proposal to the Sgts. contract.
"If we think the pension is not a threat, Moody’s is a wake up call," the mayor said Sunday at an unrelated event, according to DNAinfo Chicago.
PENSIONS are a threat to this Mayor. He will use these threats to get the changes he and the bankers want to wipe out pensions. Its coming.
FREE education... Silly to think such insanity. Only people who refuse to work for a living receive FREE benefits!
It should all so be a thing of the past for teachers. They make plenty of cash and have a lot of time off to go to school. Besides they get a substantial raise for more education.
7/22/2013 06:13:00 PM
Don't know what school system you are referring to, but in 13 years with CPS, we have never had tuition reimbursement.
The Teacher
Want to save money, getrid of the paid holidays except for Xmas and Thanksgiving
Completely off topic here, but what was the pepper spray driving that she could go from parked and talking to a wreck that looks like it was a high speed crash.
"Rahm will simply make all City Colleges graduate schools."
Eh, he really can't since Daley and Rahm permitted Emil Jones and his imbecilic ally Wayne Watson to use the City Colleges as patronage hiring hall where most of the administrators make Monique Davis look intelligent by comparison.
Like we need more flunky cal college masters degrees in public admin. A GED from oliver harvey city college carries more weight than anything from Calumet college
"Sad to see it go, but tuition reimbursement has never been seen in many places in the private sector"
That's patently false. I know numerous people in the Private sector that have obtained Masters,MBAs,Law Degrees& phd.s on the company dime no less.
"But 52 Million for Food Stamps
Your a Fool if you do police work
Do Nothing let this place burn!
7/22/2013 04:06:00 AM"
1,000S of Veterans, the elderly& disabled people require food stamp assistance. The Ghetto Rats get everything mentality really shows your ignorance.
Why have a contract anyway? The city violates it hundreds of times a day and says "file a grievence"
OT: Ho-hum. Another day in Chicago.
Happy Birthday, Joe!
Too many aldermen = too many opportunities for thievery.
rb
Joe Moore Ethics Probe: Reform-Minded Alderman Investigated For Ethics Violations
The 55-year-old alderman (whose birthday coincidentally is Monday, the same day the report was
released) was first elected to the City Council in 1991. His ward encompasses Rogers Park, West Ridge and Edgewater.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/joe-moore-ethics_n_3636465.html
Anonymous said...
To the barney fife on the mokena police dept. Great pinch today on the 8 over on a cornfield road. I guess professional courtesy means being a jagoff and demanding an explanation while pulled over in front of family members home. A hearty Fuck you and my explanation is leave police work to the real police.
To the big city hair gel. Stop driving like a fuck-tard and having an expectation of getting courtesy. YOU are exactly what is wrong with our department. In nearly 20 years I have witnessed "cops" like you with your over-inflated ego destroy this department.
I am sure you are one of the "real police" who get pissy if you get charged full boat for lunch, pissed off when the corner store makes you pay for drinks, drive home after a few too many at the bar, etc...
The star doesn't give us any exclusion from the law, ESPECIALLY outside the city. Maybe if you didn't initially show disrespect by driving like a shit bird you wouldn't need to be posting this and giving the non-police that read this site the impression we deserve "courtesy" whenever we fuck up.
Now go back to being the "real police" saving the city one nickel bag at a time!
I was thinking. This might weed out people who get this job specifically for the tuition reimbursement and leave this job within five years. I've seen it too many times. Produces police I don't need backing me up.
residency. "oh, we can't! It can't be done! you knew when you signed up!"
I knew about tuition reimbursement, and the pension when I signed up, too.
Seems they want to take those things away. Make them fight for it.
If anyone can get the Illinois law requiring residency changed, it's Rahm.
He's not as dumb as Daley.
"When is the FOP going to put on its website the old contract, then what the FOP proposes and what the city proposes for the new contract."
Contact them and ask, rather than wait for someone else to do it. Then get back to us.
1412 W. Washington,
312-733-7776 or
http://www.chicagofop.org/contact-us/
Not a word about city casino's -- have you noticed that?
With all the cities financial hardships you would think that any revenue generating project would be fast-tracked to get that cash flowing
Thought Rahm wanted the casino, Quinn's the one stopping it. Problem is in all talks any revenue coming from the casino would go to education and CPS. That would be a total waste, throwing more money into the CPS system with the product they put out
"So. Pay your own way. Typical responses here from all the hands out crowd. Looking for something for nothing. Don't tell me everyone took this job because of the great tuition reimbursement program. Everyone always complains about people wanting shit for nothing. Well boys and girls this is definitely a perk that has been afforded you for many, many years. It is definitely one way to save some money around this place."
While tuition reimbursement wasn't THE reason I took this job, it was A reason.
You do realize don't you, that the city didn't offer tuition reimbursement because they're nice guys, or that they care about us, don't you? They offered it so that they wouldn't have to pay us more somewhere else, knowing that there are plenty of people who'd never take advantage of the program.
It isn't a hand out. It's in exchange for something else. It's not something we get "for nothing". I'm sure that you believe that you earn your paycheck, don't you? Well you earn this too, even of you fail to take advantage of it.
I used the program to get the college credit I needed to get promoted. I then used it to get the education I needed to have a life BEYOND the job.
As far as "saving money" goes, that's bullshit. They'll just blow the money somewhere else. You know that, too.
Relax, this is about 6 weeks old. It's the city's first reponse to arbitration points. They had way more ridiculous points also. A lot will change before final briefs.
Anonymous said...
Who cares if we lose it? It was an unrealistic perk anyway and the majority already got their education before they came on. They are far more important things to fight for.
7/22/2013 06:53:00 PM
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Unrealistic perk? It is real. You will not find a tuition reimbursement perk this good in the private sector. You are allowed to attend just about any accredited school that you want. (It probably needs to be nearby. But you do not have to attend any of the "famous" three universities.) Also, it is part of our compensation package; it is easily worth over $20,000 a year if you go to a reputable school. So, if they take the perk away, then they are lowering our pay.
If anything, at the very least, they should fight to lift residency. If they're worried it'll screw the city out of tax revenue, then put a clause in the contract where you need to have 6 or 7 years on the job and then you're eligible to move out. Steady stream of newbies always having the city address and then the older segment of the workforce would be able to live outside if Chicago after they hit the certain year designated for eligibility. To stay here for 29 years in a declining city, sending our kids to ridiculously expensive schools because the public schools here are shit, is getting tiresome. This is a topic that should be on the table now. The time has come. It's not the same city anymore. 10 years ago it was a different place. It's a shithole now.
To all the idiots who say "who cares?" or "fuck the free perk" you are a bunch of morons. The city gives out free lunches,free breakfasts, and now free scholarships to illegal immigrants and all paid for by you and me except for the scholarships which are funded by "private donors". So a hardworking police officer should be screwed out of an opportunity to better themselves by obtaining a higher education?
You think that we should save the city money smart guy? Because we all know the Mayor and the alderman won't throw that money away on some bullshit entitlement program right? What,you think that money is going to go towards paying down our pension debt? Hahahahahahahah!!!! Sure it will.
Never, ever, give up something that benefits officers. Are you really that stupid? If your too lazy to go back to school, or are just disinterested, that's fine, that's your business. But don't suddenly become a "company man" and fuck over other officers who do use the program to better themselves. Don't fall into Rahm's "divide and conquer" strategy. A lot of people worked hard to get that benefit, to just give it up. We are all in this together.
And guess what? If our pensions ever do get fucked over, its nice to have a degree to fall back on if you need it when you do eventually retire.
Just because you don't use the program, doesn't mean its not worthwhile.
Jim Franczek wasn't even at negotiations. You are a tool
7/22/2013 07:57:00 PM
Glad to see someone's paying attention. That was a ruse to gauge response. We are collectively f$&ked
Anonymous said...
To the barney fife on the mokena police dept. Great pinch today on the 8 over on a cornfield road. I guess professional courtesy means being a jagoff and demanding an explanation while pulled over in front of family members home. A hearty Fuck you and my explanation is leave police work to the real police
7/22/2013 06:54:00 PM
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The issue shouldn't be about professional courtesy, it should be about the pimpy 8 mph over citation. 8 mph...really?
Mancow became irrelevant in this city fifteen years ago.
7/22/2013 07:46:00 PM
When was Mancow EVER relevant? Nobody even knows he is still on, so don't sweat it.
To the guy bashing the Mokena copper: YOU are and embarrassment. Please leave our job.
To the guy that called that guy a fuktard: let's please drop the use of 'tard' or any version of retarded from our collective vernacular. My family is not one of them, but there are plenty of families with special needs kids. My heart breaks for them every time I see the thoughtless use of that word.
hey FOP ... trade it - and some pay - for residency
Chicago public school teachers don't get tuition reimbursement? Awww, too bad. Could it be because you get everything else under the sun? I used to be on the teachers' side but you get way too much already.
"But 52 Million for Food Stamps
Your a Fool if you do police work
Do Nothing let this place burn!
7/22/2013 04:06:00 AM"
1,000S of Veterans, the elderly& disabled people require food stamp assistance. The Ghetto Rats get everything mentality really shows your ignorance.
READ Doesn't say anything about "Ghetto Rats" Just questioning the 52 Million That's a lot O Spam Just think if No Maggie Daley Park this would be Gourmet Food Stamps
I went thru grad school at SXU and I'm now in 3rd year law school. I have 18 years on and plan to leave soon after my 20. I'm hoping to start fresh. Please take advantage of tuition reimbursement. The city paid over 60k for my education so far. I never was fortunate to get promoted but I was fortunate to obtain my degrees. Make the job work for you.
Never liked the idea of the city paying our college tuition. Reason being is that became the only reason people came on this job was to get a free degree - not to become the police.
Two big changes that began the downfall of this department was forcing cops to have college degrees to take promotional exams and meritorious promotions.
Take them both away.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
To the barney fife on the mokena police dept. Great pinch today on the 8 over on a cornfield road. I guess professional courtesy means being a jagoff and demanding an explanation while pulled over in front of family members home. A hearty Fuck you and my explanation is leave police work to the real police.
To the big city hair gel. Stop driving like a fuck-tard and having an expectation of getting courtesy. YOU are exactly what is wrong with our department. In nearly 20 years I have witnessed "cops" like you with your over-inflated ego destroy this department.
I am sure you are one of the "real police" who get pissy if you get charged full boat for lunch, pissed off when the corner store makes you pay for drinks, drive home after a few too many at the bar, etc...
The star doesn't give us any exclusion from the law, ESPECIALLY outside the city. Maybe if you didn't initially show disrespect by driving like a shit bird you wouldn't need to be posting this and giving the non-police that read this site the impression we deserve "courtesy" whenever we fuck up.
Now go back to being the "real police" saving the city one nickel bag at a time!
7/22/2013 11:22:00 PM
Yeah...now go get your shine box !
anyone who sees the justification in this or partially agrees with this is a fucking moron. It's not about what the money is spent on it's about chipping away the benefits that have been fought for over many years. Never, Never agree to give up a single thing without adequate compensation, if ever.
someone mentioned casinos
they shall become reality AFTER the po and fire contracts are chopped to pieces due to no money for the chillins.
once abolished to bare minimum and crying poor
the city will get it's casino and hail daley, the other corrupt one from DC, as the valiant supporter capping the deal.
he gets the dem nod for gov.
win win win win win for 9.5
hibbity jibbity news
1:48 am >I agree put in a clause after 7 yrs a employee can leave the city if they choose.this keeps home values intact and also the tax base.
If anything, at the very least, they should fight to lift residency. If they're worried it'll screw the city out of tax revenue, then put a clause in the contract where you need to have 6 or 7 years on the job and then you're eligible to move out. Steady stream of newbies always having the city address and then the older segment of the workforce would be able to live outside if Chicago after they hit the certain year designated for eligibility. To stay here for 29 years in a declining city, sending our kids to ridiculously expensive schools because the public schools here are shit, is getting tiresome. This is a topic that should be on the table now. The time has come. It's not the same city anymore. 10 years ago it was a different place. It's a shithole now.
Get over it Its not going to happen, so be realistic and move on
When Rahm and his yes men negotiate there's no give and take as in traditional negotiations. Rahm and his hatchet men only know and embrace the take part.... take, take, take.
Afterall it's for the children!
I still have no Idea why we aren't fighting for residency. No matter what has to be changed...change it!
7/22/2013 07:50:00 AM
Residency requirement isn't going anywhere.
Look at Detroit.... they lifted the residency requirement some time ago. That helped accelerate the trip down the slippery slope that ended them up where they are now.
The star doesn't give us any exclusion from the law, ESPECIALLY outside the city. Maybe if you didn't initially show disrespect by driving like a shit bird you wouldn't need to be posting this and giving the non-police that read this site the impression we deserve "courtesy" whenever we fuck up.
Now go back to being the "real police" saving the city one nickel bag at a time!
7/22/2013 11:22:00 PM
GREAT comment ! Well said
Chicago, for example, owes $19 billion in pension payments that it doesn’t have, and the city of Los Angeles is more than $30 billion in the hole. The story is much the same in every major U.S. city.
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7/22/2013 10:00:00 AM
Yes, you are correct. The city has taken the position that each pension fund stands alone and they have no legal obligation to fund past what they already put in. If the fund goes broke then it is tough shit for the retirees. I wonder how the public thinks those Detroit coppers are going to live on $5000 a year?? Public employees cannot get social security, even if they have enough quarters to collect and the Federal pension bailout program ERISA does not apply to public employees. They are doubly screwed and we will be too in the near future is something is not done. Right now there is a court fight in Michigan between the Feds and the bankruptcy petition and the state courts who say it goes against the state constitution on diminishing pensions. Watch this case closely as it may be the test case for us.
Whoever posted the big city hair gel. Lmfao get a life u 20 year dog. Go troll somewhere else
to 7/23/13 202am Amen brother you hit it dead on target. tuition reimbursement is an excellent prgram to use im working on my masters degree right now. If you dont have clout and are hard working it is an execellent program to better yourself. to the person who said lift the residency rule. who the f are you. you knew when you signed up residency was a requirement and just for the record the suburbs are not gods gate to heaven , maybe 20 yrs ago. the beast is out there too, robbing n raping. also how do you feel about paying 10grand in property taxes and 100 per month in water bills and i forgot they charge each month for garbitch removal.
Yes, you are correct. The city has taken the position that each pension fund stands alone and they have no legal obligation to fund past what they already put in. If the fund goes broke then it is tough shit for the retirees. I wonder how the public thinks those Detroit coppers are going to live on $5000 a year?? Public employees cannot get social security, even if they have enough quarters to collect and the Federal pension bailout program ERISA does not apply to public employees. They are doubly screwed and we will be too in the near future is something is not done. Right now there is a court fight in Michigan between the Feds and the bankruptcy petition and the state courts who say it goes against the state constitution on diminishing pensions. Watch this case closely as it may be the test case for us
Interesting how the fight is between the feds and Detroit and the state because states and cities can get out of pension liabilities by filing bankrupcy, but the feds cant thereby protecting the federal pension funds
6 % raise over 4 year contract
sign me up better than giving up uniform allowance and duty availablity
I went thru grad school at SXU and I'm now in 3rd year law school. I have 18 years on and plan to leave soon after my 20. I'm hoping to start fresh. Please take advantage of tuition reimbursement. The city paid over 60k for my education so far. I never was fortunate to get promoted but I was fortunate to obtain my degrees. Make the job work for you.
7/23/2013 06:50:00 AM
I rest my case. $60,000.00 of my tax dollars so this guy can say he's a lawyer. Where does the City benefit?
Anonymous said...
Who cares if we lose it? It was an unrealistic perk anyway and the majority already got their education before they came on. They are far more important things to fight for.
7/22/2013 06:53:00 PM
Anonymous said...
6 % raise over 4 year contract
sign me up better than giving up uniform allowance and duty availablity
7/23/2013 05:25:00 PM
Anonymous said...
I went thru grad school at SXU and I'm now in 3rd year law school. I have 18 years on and plan to leave soon after my 20. I'm hoping to start fresh. Please take advantage of tuition reimbursement. The city paid over 60k for my education so far. I never was fortunate to get promoted but I was fortunate to obtain my degrees. Make the job work for you.
7/23/2013 06:50:00 AM
EVERY one of the above posts is a plant to start causing dissent among us.
Be the police, and start looking at this stuff with intelligence, instead of emotion.
The City has people with another agenda - NOT in our best interests - posting here on the blog.
To:
Never liked the idea of the city paying our college tuition. Reason being is that became the only reason people came on this job was to get a free degree - not to become the police.
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Seriously, your a fucking idiot. Your obviously too lazy or too stupid to go back to school. Who the fuck do you know that comes on this job just to get a degree???
Yeah people are just lining up to become a cop to take a lousy 2 classes per semester and deal with Tracy Ladner trying to fuck them out of their tuition reimbursement so they can get a degree in approx. 8 years at the current rate of reimbursement. Then wait another 2 years before they can quit.
Get a clue moron.
I went thru grad school at SXU and I'm now in 3rd year law school. I have 18 years on and plan to leave soon after my 20. I'm hoping to start fresh. Please take advantage of tuition reimbursement. The city paid over 60k for my education so far. I never was fortunate to get promoted but I was fortunate to obtain my degrees. Make the job work for you.
7/23/2013 06:50:00 AM
I rest my case. $60,000.00 of my tax dollars so this guy can say he's a lawyer. Where does the City benefit?
7/23/2013 05:52:00 PM
It's a benefit. Who said the city has to benefit from your education? It's like saying how does the city benefit from our uniform allowance when almost nobody spends that money on uniforms? They don't.
Anonymous said...I went thru grad school at SXU and I'm now in 3rd year law school. I have 18 years on and plan to leave soon after my 20. I'm hoping to start fresh. Please take advantage of tuition reimbursement. The city paid over 60k for my education so far. I never was fortunate to get promoted but I was fortunate to obtain my degrees. Make the job work for you.7/23/2013 06:50:00 AMI rest my case. $60,000.00 of my tax dollars so this guy can say he's a lawyer. Where does the City benefit?7/23/2013 05:52:00 PM
The issue here is why would you leave? Unless you have an 'in' somewhere, that JD is not going to land you a job that will be anywhere near what you are getting paid right now.keep this job and try doing side work with that jd.best of luck
Anonymous said... I went thru grad school at SXU and I'm now in 3rd year law school. I have 18 years on and plan to leave soon after my 20. I'm hoping to start fresh. Please take advantage of tuition reimbursement. The city paid over 60k for my education so far. I never was fortunate to get promoted but I was fortunate to obtain my degrees. Make the job work for you.
7/23/2013 06:50:00 AM
Big deal you got your law degree, get in line with the 20 somethings out of law school who can't find jobs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I went thru grad school at SXU and I'm now in 3rd year law school. I have 18 years on and plan to leave soon after my 20. I'm hoping to start fresh. Please take advantage of tuition reimbursement. The city paid over 60k for my education so far. I never was fortunate to get promoted but I was fortunate to obtain my degrees. Make the job work for you.
7/23/2013 06:50:00 AM
I rest my case. $60,000.00 of my tax dollars so this guy can say he's a lawyer. Where does the City benefit?
7/23/2013 05:52:00 PM
You rest your case? Good, now shut up, cuz' he's the one that went to law school and you're the one angry about what?
The city doesn't benefit? Aw, heaven forbid the one getting ahead is one of us. I say good for him, the more cops prepared for any contingency, the better.
Let me get this straight, you're arguing for LESS benefits?
The city is your employer, it gets by paying a salary it knows doesn't keep up with the cost of living in this town seeing as how they all have their dirty hands in every institution taking a cut from everything on which they intentionally overspend in order to "take advantage of a crisis," as Rahm admitted during the financial meltdown.
In exchange for a lower salary, your employer compensates with benefits like a pension (which they now want to 'reform'), a medical roll policy (which they want to shorten), a uniform allowance and duty differential (they want to take away), and tuition reimbursement (which is paid for in federal grants that reimburse the city for doing a good thing like educating its police for an improved workforce).
If there's no raise, I'm ready for that, but there ought not be a pay cut, and that's what you call ridding our benefits.
GET rid of it and Give us all a great RAISE.
that is my two cents
Anonymous said...
GET rid of it and Give us all a great RAISE.
that is my two cents
7/24/2013 02:34:00 PM
Only BABIES need instant gratification. Grow up and start thinking in the long-term.
Anonymous said...
GET rid of it and Give us all a great RAISE.
that is my two cents
7/24/2013 02:34:00 PM
You are dumb. The city wishes you were on the negotiating team.
that is my two cents
7/24/2013 02:34:00 PM
No. That is your nonsense.
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