FOP Damage Control
- Fraternal Order of Police President Mike Shields has suffered a major blow in his effort to recoup from an embarrassing paperwork mistake that threatens to deny rank-and-file Chicago Police officers a retroactive pay raise.
The executive director of the Illinois Labor Relations Board has dismissed the unfair labor practices complaint Shields filed against the city after Shield’s oversight gave Mayor Rahm Emanuel an opening to declare that if the FOP wants a pay raise retroactive to June 30, 2012, they’ll have to give up something to get it. It will no longer be automatic.
Not good at all, and numerous comments say that phone calls to the Hall are not being provided any substantive answers. September meeting right around the corner - might be some fireworks. And everyone who may have been delaying retirement in anticipation of some sort of bump? Drop those papers now.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
256 Comments:
FLOP Shields co Suxs
Pzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Brox cheer
Not One of the officers should get our vote for next FLOP Pres
We need a fop guy from the district
A working copper
Fuck you shields. What a complete piece of garbage. A no confidence vote needs to be voted on
What a blunder!
I hope Rahm does not think Young Mikey is only going to catch hell for this.
Funny thing about mayors they forget all info travels up the chain.
Leaks sink ship.
Anyone writing case reports near SAFE Zones should ponder the address a crime occurred at and double check. Victims sometimes are confused by details.
What would you do if a person snatched 1500.00$ out of your kids hands.
Dont forget he is also combing through are record for water bills and tickets like never before!
Any ideas???
thats one major mistake! Either he is really stupid, or he and Rahm had one hell of a back room deal...
Regardless of what happens, and there is no question, it will suck if we don't get the retroactive pay we've earned, working without a contract for a year, we MUST SHOW A UNITED FRONT WHEN DEALING WITH THE CITY.
Don't let this dickhead Emanuel divide and conquer us.
If its true. Ill sue shields personally. Not the FOP. But shields.
How many of you even go to a Fop meeting? How many of you know the salary that this moron pulls ? along with a car and expense account. As bad as the sgts union is at least all of them get the same pay that they would regularly. Make the pay the same so that you don't get people with agendas running. You will get someone that really wants the job.
Having worked with both Mike and Dan Shields, I decided not to vote for either of them even though I thought so little of the guy who ran against Shields (Hell, I can't even remember the guys name and I voted for him instead of Mike). That being said, I'm not surprised by any of this, and the only thing he can do at this point to make it worse is to actually give something up for retro. Forget the retro, lets try and get the best contract we can without sacrificing anything. If he gives in to the idiot cops that are always so short-sighted that they're mainly worried about retro checks, then he'll only further cement his legacy.
Shields needs to go. He should resign doubt he has the stones to do it. He will be voted out. In mean time lodge needs to start filing unfair labor practices and lawsuits against the city for every possible action. Bring in the field reps and get them trained on safety grievances, and train field reps to enforce every single contract provision, go to war, no this isn't something that can be won in the traditional sense but Rahm doesn't need an insurrection that will cost the city money and make the department unmanageable.
That entire lodge needs to go!!! I mean now
An embarrassing paperwork mistake ?
Our FOP leader is either an idiot or compromised.
Motherfuck the finger-pointing...
There's enough blame and bullshit to go around.
No secret that the old regime was pissed about the regime change voted by the membership...
Sabotage?
Hey where were the experienced FOP elected officials Bill, Frank and Rich that were voted to help the president? Oh wait their guy greg didn't win so no need to help out and make sure that this stuff is taken care of? Shields it was his first time at the table so where was Bill, Frank and Rick were too busy collecting their pay check and hiding in their office.
Lets also remember why Rahm doesn't want to play nice. Shields stopped the sergeants from accepting a contract that would harm our pensions and dictate pension reform. We all know that this is the true reason for all of this. The city doesn't want to be on the hook for amount owed to our pensions.
Although the FOP should absolutely have filed the paperwork promptly, I still think the City is bogus as hell for not accepting it late. The City had every intention of negotiating, it is just hiding behind a technicality. Normally, that might be ok, but not when it affects ten thousand employees. Also, if the same thing happened to the CTA Ironworkers and the City still dealt with them, they better damn well do it for us.
Forest for the trees, people -- Burns' assertion that there are 4k cops less than full force is unchallenged.
If you think Shields did a paperwork mistake your wrong. It was deliberate and the consequence will be paid by us. Remember Mikey will land softly and the Democratic machine will thank the son of a white shirt. $1,600.00 x 10,000 personal = 16 Million
No word yet from fop..Can you please shine some light on what is suppose to go down in 012 September 15th. Word is the sup is going to pilot a program where the watch is ran like a tack team. 10-15 pos assigned to a sgt all in the same day off group. No more beats. What happened to beat integrity? Can they just change are D.O.G like that? Why would they mess with dog in the middle of September when pos already have used up most of their Pdays. BFD V-day planning their year around their day offs and weekends. If this is true can we get in the ear of the superintendent and at least make him push this till the first period. After furlo and watch picks. And why do this in a somewhat slower district? wouldn’t a faster district make more sense to see if this dumb idea even works? And what happens when you get assigned to a sgt you don’t even get along with just being on the watch ? now your on his team. Word is all the teams are goin to be picked from downtown.. Help please from 012 officers..
the perfect response to this embarrasing oversight by our elected union would be no union dues deducted from anyone's paycheck for one year....
I'm really not that concerned. The loss of retro will be taken into account by the arbitrator, when he decides on our raises.
Is anyone close enough to the situation or to Mike Shields to know what his career plan is after he loses the next election? I ask this question in all seriousness because he obviously can't retire, and he's only a patrol officer, so he's going to have to hit the street. Sure, someone could throw him a bone and hide him in a unit, but I can't imagine he's going to have much enjoyable camaraderie amongst his coworkers. Has he made enough connections downstate or within the private sector that he could make a jump? It's the downfall of becoming the president so early in your career, especially when you factor in the disastrous results. Maybe he can work at General Iron full time.
When u get a chance try and find the campaign literature that Mike Shields distributed in the last election. Lets see Max out at 21 years and live outside the city limits were just two of the promises that we were told that Mikey would deliver. He failed on all of his promises, yet many people will still vote for him. I believe the Ron Huberman pension video was staged so that that Mike Shields could get notoriety. He did and everyone bought into it. Am i surprised about what happened ? no, because if u sat down and talked with Mike Shields it wouldn't take very long to figure him out!!!
With crime being out of control as it is now, would it be wise for the city to stick a fork in the sheepdogs protecting this city? This might, might even resonate through the hair gel heads.
Shields is an idiot and should be out next election
100 Bucks says Shields Misses the next General Meeting! Flu, or some other exotic ailment!
Exactly why many veterans were saying not to vote for shields, hope those who voted for him use some better judgement next time voting comes around. I wonder what mike will get in return for screwing us. He is still arrogant and won't even admit that he screwed up. Get rid of him and everyone who ran with him!
This city hall pimp sold us out boys and girls. Believe it. How many of our young officers with kids in catholic schools are counting on that money for tuition, Christmas gifts and the many necessities for their loved ones. I guess little Mikey never knew that feeling and apparently he doesn't give a fuck.
Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ?
Upset i voted for shields. Won't make that mistake again. I think many others out there who feel same way. His ego is too big, and he cost my family a lot of money in losing retro. Thanks! He should step down and let someone qualified take over. Rahm is an A-Hole but our FOP President is a clown. We can't seem to win in our elected officials and even in our own union who is supposed to watch our backs. I want a refund for a few years of FOP dues.
Wow,
Shields is connected! Rahm must have phoned Fran Spielman personally to write such lies.
Enjoy your steak and lobster dinners on our dime Shields!
Shields Sucks!
Seeing this only from the outside - and only reading what is written here, Shields made a mistake. No doubt.
BUT, as one post asked - Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ? (that should have been part of the transition briefing - "don't forget to send the letter")
THAT is an excellent question and sheds a lot of light on the previous regime.
Looks like the previous regime wasn't doing their job when they were IN office as well as when they left it (making sure the transition was clean).
Shields would not have gotten in, if you were satisfied with the previous regime - YOU WEREN'T at the time. They didn't do everything they could - and it was high-time for them to go.
Give some credit to Shields - he did some good, but he could not do it all.
So look at Shields as the transition step to the next regime that had to happen.
This NEXT regime better be a good pick. Otherwise, I would say you are better off without FOP - get a different union altogether.
Not a LEO, JAFO.
Shields was the new guy. My irritation is with the other experienced officers on the board.
Make no mistake, Shields owns it, but the other guys let that one slide and they should have known about it. Did they do it on purpose because they didn't like a new face? Was it out of spite? Are they that incompetent?
That being said, stick together. Divide and conquer is too old a strategy to work on experienced police officers. Look forward because this game has just started.
thats one major mistake! Either he is really stupid, or he and Rahm had one hell of a back room deal...
8/28/2013 12:15:00 AM
The first thing that came to mind when I read this.
Raises? Yeah right. Just leave the contract as it is. Anything new usually is lousy anyway. We'll just lose it in medical insurance cost increases.
I have talked with the guys at the FOP offices. Donahue too. The all say they advised Shields to send the negotiations letter. He apparently ignored them. Read his newsletter article posted on the FOP website. He says it was his responsibility as president to send the letter but he didn't. About as close to admitting he was told to send it without actually saying it.
In all fairness the posting should be titled Shields' Damage Control. He, and he alone, is responsible for this blunder.
Anonymous said...
Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ?
8/28/2013 04:11:00 AM
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1) Cause Donahue was no longer a member of the team (voted out)
Donahue was not rehired (as a lobbyist) until long after the election
2) Mikey Shields is not a guy you talk to or advise.
This kid is so full of himself that he has got himself on a pedestal so high no one can talk to him!
3) Mikey was advised by that secretary that he fired!
Time for Mikey to just step down.
Anybody who is delaying their retirement in anticipation for some type of bump is an idiot. They would get it anyway even if they retired. Its always been this way in the past.
You get what you vote for.
You numbskulls went with a wet-behind-the ears nitwit. Enjoy.
You who voted for him are 'low-information' voters, no better than the west side mutts.
All Mikey had to do was use Donahues letter from the previous negotiations (it was in the file folder, Mikey) and change the date and names. He didn't. He PURPOSELY didn't. Several inside people from the old regime begged him to file the letter. He CHOSE not to do it. Vote him out of office?! Hell, there should be a criminal investigation and jail time!
For those who think you are "only" missing out on a 2% retro-check for a year, remember this: not only are you not getting that 2% THIS YEAR, you are not getting that money NEXT YEAR, and for every year after that for the remainder of your career (plus compounding).
Let's see: you're a young guy with only five years on at the end of the last contract...your salary is $75,372 (according to the pay scale easily found online)...2% of that is $1,507.44...you lose that this year, and every year for the rest of your career (you're young, so you'll stay the whole 29+ years...29 minus the five years you already had equals twenty-four years left...) so 24 x $1,507.44 = $36,178.56 that you will never see because of Mike Shields's CHOICE TO PURPOSELY NOT SEND THE LETTER, DESPITE BEING REMINDED TO BY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS (the amount is actually higher with compounding, but, hell, enough math to make the point).
Let's multiply that by your entire, only fifty member academy class...almost 1.9 million dollars of YOUR pay, given back to the city by Mike Shields. And that is only ONE small academy class worth. Multiply that by an entire police force (below the rank of Sergeant) and you have way more money than even Rahm can make in questionable (at best) deals he made capitalizing on his Bill Clinton and Obama connections.
Why don't we ask each of the inside guys, when they give their reports in September, "How many times did you personally tell or ask or remind or whatever Mike Shields to send the letter?" Now remember, only Mike Shields, the President, had authority to send that letter.
Yep, we've put criminals away for decades who didn't cause anywhere NEAR this level of harm. Musing....maybe we can arrest Mike Shields at the September general meeting....
Hopefully the rank and file will not give up anything in the contract for retro. Delayed vs. immediate gratification and all. Or is that too much to ask for, that everyone understand that concept? Isn't that what separates adults from children and shitbirds from taxpaers?
I'm really not that concerned. The loss of retro will be taken into account by the arbitrator, when he decides on our raises (You sound like Shields)
.... And After Shields gives up more of our limited benefits to the Altar of Rahm
No more uniform check?? Duty Availability?
Less Holidays more hours???
01:18am......are you that fucking stupid to think that Little Mikey had anything to do with the Sergeants voting down their contract proposal? If you do, than you are as much a fool as Shields! Don't give this moron credit he does not deserve. If he was so wonderful, why did the Sergeants laugh at Shield's proposal to join flop?
Shields made a mistake in the true Shitcago way Me thinks the Mayor is telling him what to think or forget to do
thats one major mistake! Either he is really stupid, or he and Rahm had one hell of a back room deal...
Just where does Mikey go after he is out as FLOP Pres Perhaps the Next Masters Hamilton to get a flunky position that he isn't qualified for Youi wont see him in a squad
I'm confused now, so we would not receive retro pay from 2012? Or entire contract? Which makes no sense. Can someone elaborate, FOP doesn't answer the phone.
Would this form the basis of a legal malpractice claim against the labor attorneys?
Now the question is---did Shields do this intentionally?
"I'm really not that concerned. The loss of retro will be taken into account by the arbitrator, when he decides on our raises."
Wrong! RRoP would not allow such considerations.
From the last paragraph of Shields letter.
“As for the letter, in hindsight, I with I had sent one within the window the City wanted” He Mikey, the time frame is not what the City wanted, it’s what’s IN THE CONTRACT” Do not try to fool the membership in saying it is something the City did. You fucked up by not follow the process laid out IN the current contract.
“Do not allow this Mayor to divide and conquer the FOP” He is not doing that, YOU are. YOU are the one who totally fucked up and have lied about up until this letter. The only reason you are coming clean now is because the ruling is made public.
Now you want to spend more of our money on Labor Board Hearing and lawsuits that we will never win. You already pissed away our money in regards to retro, stop pissing away our union dues..
You have acted in bad faith as the President of Union. I am not defending the City but the only thing they are doing in this situation is reacting to your fuck up. YOU did this not them.
We better not give up anything just to get a reto check for the first year. Asvwe all know, when you give something up you never get it back. We have to look at the big picture before we agree to give away any of our benefits
Fuck you shields. What a complete piece of garbage. A no confidence vote needs to be voted on
We vote in FLOP Presidents like we DO mayors Keep Voting One party rule
There's nothing we can do and mike is just laughing all the way to the bank
I still can't believe anyone voted for this clown over Greg Bella. "Get the old guys out! We need young blood!" Nice job.
Retro looks gone for that 1st year. Funny thing is that I emailed Shields asking if there was any validity to the infamous "letter" scandal. He assured me that EVERYTHING was handled accordingly and on time! He's a fucking liar!! Shields you bitch!
Our plan:
1. Let that year of retro go, forget it. Give up nothing for it!
2. Vote Shields out!
3. Recoup our loses through other means like use the medical, don't write tickets or arrests, milk all OT that you can!
They fuck us, we fuck them!!! Shields you bitch!
everything is ok 0% 2012 10% 2013
march every day or stfu
Give nothing up for a retro check.
I always assumed on each contract we wouldn't get a retro check for some reason. Getting it in the past was a bonus.
Whoever thinks that Frank, Bill, and Rich are there to help anyone except themselves is sadly optimistic. The 3 of them played both sides during that whole election. Aguilar is inarguably the worst of the 3. Its amazing some copper hasn't shown up to knock his teeth out. He's a super tough guy over the phone. He's condescending and arrogant. But in person he is a ball-less punk.
Clean house up there. The paranoia and infighting mirrors the Nixon administration. If the incompetence didn't directly affect me I'd laugh about it. I knew Shields was a horrible choice but he even lowered the bar more. Pathetic.
Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ?
8/28/2013 04:11:00 AM
Yes! Mark Donahue is still a paid employee of the FOP-Chicago Lodge #7.
It happened because of the typical mentality of old timers on this job. The little bitches didnt get their way so they will fuck the younger guy.
Boy, I was wondering why they were so nice and helpful to me when I called yesterday. The heat is on them.
Unified front until AFTER the contract is settled guys and gals!
After that, go pound sand Mikey. You just cost a lot of people a lot of money.
Where was Bill, where was Frank, where was Mark? Wah, wah, wah. You goofs all cry about accountability, the accountability falls squarely on our brat president.
Organized labor, Chicago Firefighters Local 2 and the FOP Lodge 7 better wake up and realize we're not dealing with an honorable man when it comes to contractual and pension issues. Hit back twice as hard! Throw a $20,000.00 annual residency stipend at him in current negotiations. Even if you go to arbitration there's an excellent chance that an arbitrator will grant us a portion of that amount. Then let Tiny Dancer explain to the editorial boards of the Tribune and the Sun Times why taxpayers have to pay more to keep Chicago's employees from fleeing this city.
Hit back TWICE AS HARD!
It sucks that we won't get retro, and shields is no doubt a goof. But in the big picture, I'd rather lose the retro for a year than give up anything. Remember, anything you give up is gone forever.
that money is going to pay for the drones the alderman want to patrol the safe passage routes...
howa bout some remote controlled segways with robocop cardboard cut outs on them?
I’m mad at Shields but I’m madder at the City-Wide team that submarined all of us to get back at Shields for beating them in the last election. The CPI in July fell in Chicago. Our raise will never be over the CPI for the foreseeable future. Shit my VRI check for June was more than a year’s worth of raises. While we a f-ing around here the city and FOP are meeting and have met during the entire time the contract is expired. Their job is to stall as long as possible just like they have always done in the past. The retro check is just 30 pieces of silver. The cost of your health care and the pension you get when we retire are the two main issues that are in our face today. I’m pissed at all of this. But I’m more pissed at the City-Wide team that let this happen and laughed about it. Greg/Sid/Rick/Bill/Kevin/Jim/John thanks for nothing. And now we know who put Steve Robbins up to change the by-laws to take away voting rights away from retirees. This was a constant attitude during the Nolan and Donahue terms. The retirees should remember that in the next election.
The arbitrator will decide this as he always was going to do. Rahm’s laughing his ass off while we fight here like a bunch of 10 year old girls at a Saturday night sleep over.
http://www.bls.gov/ro5/cpichi.htm
Keep an eye on Mikey. What is he going to give the City to get the retro ? In the next newsletter he says he wished he had done what the City wanted. He also says the City has given other unions a break
and he wants the FOP to get a break too. What a bitch ! What is that going to cost ?
All the shields bashing here, mike shields was like a PPO without an FTO, Doherty, dimaria, Davis, and the rest were all there before, and Donahue who is still being paid obviously said nothing, so the fire on shields needs to be equally metered out, perhaps more so. How would you feel if you were a recruit and your FTO left you on your own doing something you have no clue about?
Lets analyze this some, maybe the others were mad Bella lost and want to screw mike next election, but in reality they hurt all of us? Think about the big picture, if so we need all new people in there throw them all out!
The Parker and Mover bins should be completely empty,if not you are a bigger fool than Shields.
forget the retro, lets keep all that we have now. Don t give back a thing. City could give us nothing the 1st 2 years and back load our little raise on the last 2 and we would be in the same boat. The longer they stall on us the longer we keep collecting uniform and time diff checks. I m sure that's one of the items the want to screw us on.
I don't understand this. No pay raise is "automatic". Every raise is negotiated or awarded by the arbitrator. The City prefers a small raise upfront to reduce any retro check. How does this change that scenario? The City will argue that the economy was bad in 2012-2013, so there shouldn't be a raise at all for what would be the first year of a new contract.
Or is it that the City will argue that 2012-2013 wasn't really the first year of a new contract, but the last (extended) year of the old contract? And if so, can an arbitrator (because you can be sure the contract will go to one) rule otherwise in light of the supervisors' contracts still going back to 1 July 2012?
Lets also remember why Rahm doesn't want to play nice. Shields stopped the sergeants from accepting a contract that would harm our pensions and dictate pension reform. We all know that this is the true reason for all of this. The city doesn't want to be on the hook for amount owed to our pensions.
8/28/2013 01:18:00 AM
You are really delusional if you think "Shields stopped the sergeants from accepting a contract that would harm our pensions and dictate pension reform". You don't think this would've been defeated soundly without Shields' grandstanding?
To 2:05 am you hit it on the head, even though I think our president along with the past presidents who all usually wind up with a Cush job here or in springfield, are in cohoots iI must say I really don't care I have never been to a meeting in 20 yrs. I also have never voted. I am pretty happy with this job and in the past I have seen several cops sign anything so they can get a few grand. Whether we get retro or not it will all be the same in the end. I also think unless there's a miracle you will probably vote in the next president and he will be a puppet like all the rest. The mayor will always control any boss over deputy and any union head whether you like it or not, and if he can't he will get rid of them. The only option you have is quit, Or do your time and retire and move out of Illinois.
Where was Bill, Frank and Rich when this letter was due with the City? They were waiting for Mike to not mail the letter so that they could plan their next election that they just lost. Let's see Bill helped negotiate the last three contracts and forgot to mention this to "Mike". Send his ass back to the street along with the rest of the idiots(Frank and Rich) who have been scheming to sink Mike.
Last I checked there are quite a few positions there besides President. I know Mike will take the blame, but there are quite a few people there with experience. Those are the ones to blame as well. They would rather work the entire month on their FOP newsletter articles, then pay attention to the real issues! They all need to be voted out if this true, not just Shields. This is incompetentence from everyone, not one person.
oversight? naaah, shields was payed by the city to screw this up on purpose, come on guys,,,this is good old fashioned Chicago under the table bs..nonetheless, fu shields!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give nothing up for a retro check.
I always assumed on each contract we wouldn't get a retro check for some reason. Getting it in the past was a bonus.
Can you imagine going into contract negotiation with the city last year?
Did everyone forget what Rahm was bringing to the table, crying broke, wanted to take this and that away and give little raise that at the end you would make less take home money than you make now.
Not getting retro might be the best thing that has happened, just have to look at the bigger picture. Economy is improving,Rahm can't cry broke anymore while spends millions on BS projects so the card he plays is "DIVIDE AND CONQUER". We need to remember that we are only strong when UNITED.
He did it on purpose. Wonder how much he was paid off by Rahm or what he was promised.
You guys earned it and deserve it. Shows what a miserable prick Rahm is too.
I am glad I didn't vote for Rahm I saw him for what he is.
Not a LEO
Mikey should have known better. The experienced FOP guys should have filled him in on it. They all share the blame.
Mikey needs come bathhouse time. Come back youngster. We miss you.
The next contract, including retro pay, will be decided by an arbitrator. The city has nothing to say about it. Shields screwed up, but where were Bill and Rich? Those two rats have been stabbing the guy in the back, at every opportunity. Word is Dougherty thinks that it's his turn to be President, and Rich will be 1st VP. Don't fall for their BS.If you don't like Shiields, don't vote for him. Don't vote for Dougherty or Aguillar either.
for those of you who do not know about a police organization named COP confederation of Police (1967).
COP started job actions to bring the city fathers to the table.
A slow down in the issuing of traffic tickets might be a course of action. No effort to recover guns by traffic stops. ETC
I guess the Shields team was too busy golfing and smoking cigars. Do your fucking jobs and stop trying to further your careers by sucking ass.
Word is the sup is going to pilot a program where the watch is ran like a tack team. 10-15 pos assigned to a sgt all in the same day off group. No more beats. What happened to beat integrity? Can they just change are D.O.G like that?
It's called Team Policing and it was tried in the '70s in many departments and proved to be a total failure. So no doubt we will be trying it here.
8/28/2013 12:15:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Regardless of what happens, and there is no question, it will suck if we don't get the retroactive pay we've earned, working without a contract for a year, we MUST SHOW A UNITED FRONT WHEN DEALING WITH THE CITY.
The other police unions have been trying to bring FOP to the table with them to coordinate negotiations and pensions. Shields refuses to budge. As a result you know see what will happen to us and how fucked up tings got with the sergeants.
Off Topic...
Why does the illinois Department of Transportation sponsor the FOX news?
Isn't that our tax dollars their using to do that?
I love how in the Sun Times article Joe Burns is called the FOP's "outside labor counsel". He was hired well after this gaffe occurred. This falls, just like everything else in this administration, in the laps of Shields, Dougherty, and especially Paul Geiger.
You can't just blame Shields. Each and every FOP executive right down to Donahue is to blame. None of them said a word and let this whole thing fall on the FOP President. But remember. FOP is fighting for you. We should be pounding on the front door of FOP. But we wont because we do not stick together! The difference between me and many Blue Shirts? I put my name on it. FOP... all of you should be ashamed of yourselves. None of you deserve to be in the positions you are in! I am beyond disgusted. Greg Giuliani 19855.
Where was the past president and capareli during all this? those two have been there for quite a while and should have provided some kind of guidance.
While Mike Shields has been borderline criminal as FOP President, let us not forget about Bill Dougherty and Paul Geiger, who essentially run the office. Ironically, the Sun Times article does not mention them by name at all, since they were too busy throwing some recently hired labor attorney under the bus.
Hey what about me too clause. If they get Retro why can't we get it
"I'm really not that concerned. The loss of retro will be taken into account by the arbitrator, when he decides on our raises."
I was thinking the same thing.
Makes me sad that I lost my retro but happy that I voted for Bella. What do you say Greg, any chance of organizing a ticket? Bring in some experienced union people and mix it up with some fresh faces from the districts and you have my vote.
Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ?
I said same thing especially since he is still onboard! Did Mike or FOP even come out and address the letter mishap? I mean tell me FOP does NOT read the blog just to see what's going on? I don't remember even getting an email on it. Unreal.
wow this sgt application SUX!!! attachments? really? like who my clout is? How about a receipt # that I filled it out? Fucking City
Chicago taxpayer here-first, thank you CPD for all you do for law-abiding citizens. Second, you need to dump Shields. This is gross incompetence.
Anonymous said...
I'm really not that concerned. The loss of retro will be taken into account by the arbitrator, when he decides on our raises.
8/28/2013 02:05:00 AM
There is NO loss of retro b/c the contract was automatically extended for 1 year. You are dumb.
Anonymous said...
the perfect response to this embarrasing oversight by our elected union would be no union dues deducted from anyone's paycheck for one year....
8/28/2013 01:43:00 AM
I second that thought. They can make up for it by cutting fop board's expenses, like their cars.
Let it go. Shift focus where it belongs, on Rham and his minions. An internal feud within the FOP at this point only creates havoc on negotiations. I've had two years without a bump in salary on my side job, as my employer laid off those around me. It sucks, but trust me, you'll all survive. Plus, many private sectors jobs didn't receive a raise in the last few years, so no sympathy from the masses.
Like it's already been said, arbitrator will take 2012 into consideration, and it will work out.
Now REFOCUS that energy, and work with the hand we've been dealt. A stronger front is better at the table, then a bunch of pissed off coppers who can't think straight.
no retro no work
it's for our children
cpd will become the highest paid report writers
"Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ?"
He is employed by Shields as a lobbyist for the FOP so he was.
over 55 and staying around until they force me out , make over 100K
working days , school crossings a few reports , maybe write a ticket or 2 , plenty part time jobs , court time , take medical when sick .
Shields and Geiger could care less. They already have their eyes on Mary O'Connor's Aldermanic seat and knows cops never vote in that ward. Just ask Mullins and Gonzalez.
Mike Shields is the son of a white shirt who was a do the right thing type of guy, not a machine type of guy and I'm sure he raised his family the same way. This was a mistake, not collusion with Rahm.
The crew down at FOP have been helpful to me. I'm sure this mistake is going to cost them a lot of votes next time around.
I think we are counting our chickens before they are hatched though, retro this time around is not a given. We didn't get much of a raise last time around and actually got less than was offered.
Money is important but I think we need to concentrate more on keeping what we have this time around. No increased medical contributions, no more unreasonable disciplinary measures. Don't take away tuition, personal days, uniform, duty availability, holidays, medical days.
Lastly, everybody respects a working copper. A working copper is who I want to see go to a unit or become a supervisor, but not a Union rep. I'd rather have a guy that makes 20 arrests a year but has a degree or experience in labor law be our rep or president. That would be of the most help.
Waiting to retire to see what the retro will be? I don't understand that. I thought that if an officer retired prior to the contract being settled he/she would be entitled to receive whatever retro was awarded?
As for the same D.O.G. as the sergeant, what's old is new again. Back then the sgt. and everyone assigned to a sector had the same D.O.G. and officers assigned to relief covered the sector on their days off.
OT what's up with sergeant contract
did it go to arbitration
that original offer looks darn good now
So the recent ruling by ILRB says that Shields didn't file the ULP on time? Good God.
I can't wait to see some of these fools campaign and hand out calendars! The irony!
You know what's funny (not really) but I can't find one person who admits to voting for this dick. I remember when I told all the going guys to stick with Bella and they were impressed by Mike's suit in roll call. Thanks you fucking idiots and thanks to the fucking idiots who didn't bother voting.
When u get a chance try and find the campaign literature that Mike Shields distributed in the last election. Lets see Max out at 21 years and live outside the city limits were just two of the promises that we were told that Mikey would deliver. He failed on all of his promises, yet many people will still vote for him. I believe the Ron Huberman pension video was staged so that that Mike Shields could get notoriety. He did and everyone bought into it. Am i surprised about what happened ? no, because if u sat down and talked with Mike Shields it wouldn't take very long to figure him out!!!
Any po who voted for him because they thought he could get us to max out after 21 years and have the city lift the residency requirement, is an IDIOT plain an simple and deserves what they voted for.
i voted for greg bella and now he is gone also no safe passage in edison park
The sad thing is people continue to step over each other for VRI blood money. Wake the fuck up. You're all a bunch of bigger sellouts than Mikey ever will be.
We all make mistakes; It Would be Playing into Rahm's Evil deformed little grip to change horses mid-stream. The FOP must stand United at this point, failure to do so will be a victory for Rahm.
This was an error no doubt. With that being said, historically the arbitrator has always discounted or disregarded the 1st year retro pay. This will simply happen again no difference.
I voted for Mike because of his knowledge and position on pensions and he has been invaluable at highlighting/thwarting the smear tactics of assholes like Laurence Msall of the Civic Federation and other Emanuel minions. WE fought off successfully several pension bills that would cost you and I hundreds of thousands of dollars from our retirement.
Example, if you have to work 3 extra years, that just took at least $180,000 out of your earning potential post retirement.
Wake up and stop looking to implode. The war is still on for both pensions and a labor agreement.
No one is happy that this happened, but lets wipe up the spilled milk and concentrate on debunking the city hall promoted fear mongering regarding our pensions and demand TIF reforms before pension changes.
Check out this super comprehensive independent (if there is such a thing) study comparing Illinois pensions, county pensions, private pensions, Chicago pensions, and other state pensions.
It shows we pay some of the highest rates as employees and are just average with benefits.Everyone should read this!
http://jenner.com/system/assets/assets/6348/original/2012_20IL_20PENSION_20HANDBOOK_20-_20FINAL.pdf?1334067232
I called FOP last year when this story broke and all they did was deny deny and deny that it was true. Just another group of lying amature political snakes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Having worked with both Mike and Dan Shields, I decided not to vote for either of them even though I thought so little of the guy who ran against Shields (Hell, I can't even remember the guys name and I voted for him instead of Mike). That being said, I'm not surprised by any of this, and the only thing he can do at this point to make it worse is to actually give something up for retro. Forget the retro, lets try and get the best contract we can without sacrificing anything. If he gives in to the idiot cops that are always so short-sighted that they're mainly worried about retro checks, then he'll only further cement his legacy.
8/28/2013 12:25:00 AM
I completely agree. Forget the retro now....it suck and we earned it but oh well. DONT GIVE UP ANYTHING FOR A PATHETIC RETRO AROUND 3% of annual salary. Not worth it at all. Don't be short sighted! There is no way this was done on accident. (my 2 cents)
Anonymous said...
No word yet from fop..Can you please shine some light on what is suppose to go down in 012 September 15th. Word is the sup is going to pilot a program where the watch is ran like a tack team. 10-15 pos assigned to a sgt all in the same day off group. No more beats. What happened to beat integrity? Can they just change are D.O.G like that? Why would they mess with dog in the middle of September when pos already have used up most of their Pdays. BFD V-day planning their year around their day offs and weekends. If this is true can we get in the ear of the superintendent and at least make him push this till the first period. After furlo and watch picks. And why do this in a somewhat slower district? wouldn’t a faster district make more sense to see if this dumb idea even works? And what happens when you get assigned to a sgt you don’t even get along with just being on the watch ? now your on his team. Word is all the teams are goin to be picked from downtown.. Help please from 012 officers..
8/28/2013 01:35:00 AM
Offer to do the Sgts laundry and fetch him a couple $20 cigars everyday.Worked fine for years with your old Sgt.
Well, most here are letting Rahm win. Make Rahm pay he doesn't respect us because as usual will attack our own and not the POS Mayor.
As the article stated another union did the same thing and Rahm forgave it and gave them retro.
Why not us because of all morons on this job. Who will do what they do to work VRI, kiss the ring and bend over to recieve your pounding.
Shields is the President of our union. You cant say he didn't know about the deadline. Incompetence, negligence, back door deal with Rahm? Whatever the reason, he did it. He cost each copper a possible $1,000 to $3,600 out of pocket - that's each and every one of us. Not to mention hitting the coppers harder that are in court everyday, working VRI all the time and the recent retirees that base their retirement pay on the last 4 year average. Shields needs to step down or get booted, immediately. Can officers file a lawsuit/class action against Lodge 7, Shields or both? Do they have insurance like a doctor has malpractice insurance? Then as most of know, Rahm is an asshole and still stuck it to us even though he didn't have to but chose to. The lodge can cancel the fishing tourney, the golf tourney and the picnic and maybe split the money up amongst it's members.
What we need is an FOP President who is taller that Rahm. A leader which would require Rahm to stand on 2 milk crates just to see eye to eye with him.
This will be the end of Shields. So long kid! See you in 011 on Midnights
This just proves that Shields is NOT up to the task and he should take his as back to Patrol with his tail between his legs!
You costed all Officers one years worth of retro pay for this shitty city!
Then this city expects production and enforcement!
Hey Rahm, I got a BIG FUCK you for you, too! No activity from me and there is nothing that can be done about it!
KMA
The question isn't “Did Mike Shields and all his staff” screw up; the real question is what are you going to do about it? This isn't a question to Mike it’s a question to every FOP member (active or retired). What are you going to do about your leadership in the FOP. I would say that 100% of the executive board and 90% of the trustees need to go. The executive board proved they are not capable to managing the day to day operations of the membership. They trustees for the most part are there for their monthly check and will vote the direction of the President who has the ability or votes to replace them.
This is a serious time for the FOP and other Unions out there and if we get this wrong in the coming year, we will go the “way of the dinosaur”. Unions have been good for me and my family and I want to see them stay strong.
Start looking at yourselves and what you want out of the Union. Once know what you want vote for the person that can deliver (not promise).
I would also like to see if Second City Cop would start a separate blog post for serious ideas and debate on the FOP and the board. Just an idea.
Is there any word on what the city has offered?
Mikey you didn't stay pure. Back your friends and they back you. Stab people in the back while climbing the ladder and watch your ladder be pulled out by the people you stabbed. You should have paid more attention at Queens and St. Ignatius. Your dad paid a lot of money for an ethical education that it looks like you missed out on.
Anonymous said...
Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ?
8/28/2013 04:11:00 AM
Markie never left the office. Mike in one of his good moves (not all were good) kept Mark on the payroll as the lobbyist. That move along with hiring Pat Camden, Ckis Kato and Capt Farrell on a hourly basis as needed were good moves.
But Mark was the President and he left Mike out to dry. So if yo do not want to vote for Shields before this contract gets arbitrated certainly don't vote of any of the city wide guys they let us down and don't need a third bite at the apple.
Maybe we need a "work slowdown". Our mayor doesn't think we will fight back. STOP writing tickets and making arrest you don't have to. Put the blinders on and see if Raccoon Eyes has a change of heart.
You people do understand that this FLOP
Administration just went into your savings account
and looted roughly $1500! To some that's chump change,
to others it can make or break a man... Very sad time
to be a P.O.... My words to express my contempt towards FLOP can't be conveyed loud enough.:(
Here is the ugly math:
$1,600.00 x 10,000 personal = 16 Million for first year.
What is NOT getting mentioned is that you LOSE that 1% raise until you die. Figure 15 years active and 25 years retire (rough estimates). This FUCKUP costs every member $25,000.
I was one of the "veterans" who advised against voting for Shields. Knew him from some time ago and always thought that he was arrogant and full of himself. Like I tell my friends and relatives who voted for Rahm and Obama, you brought this on yourself. Problem is their actions affect all of us.
Also to Anonymous 8/28/2013 04:11:00 AM Why is it Donahue's responsibility to advise Shields to send the letter?
Been a long time since I commented here, but this comment above deserves repeating:
"$1,600.00 x 10,000 personal = 16 Million"
If you think this gift of something like 16 million to the city was a mistake by Mike Shields, you should probably reconsider your career. I know it hurts to get stabbed in the back by your fellow officers, AGAIN, but now way is this second biggie an accident.
I have only one brief question.....Isn't there a Vice-president that could have caught this blunder??? WTF we can't rely on one person two look after our interests.
Be careful out there. Condolences to our fallen brother's family and department.
---
Police Officer
Jason Schneider
Baltimore County Police Department, Maryland
End of Watch: Wednesday, August 28, 2013
Officer Jason Schneider was shot and killed while serving a search warrant at a home in Catonsville at about 5:00 a.m. Officer Schneider was part of the tactical team that had entered the house in search of a subject wanted in relation to a previous shooting. While the team searched room-to-room, the subject opened fire and shot Officer Schneider several times.
Despite being mortally wounded, Officer Schneider returned fire and critically injured the subject.
Officer Schneider had served with the department for 13 years and is survived by his wife and two children.
Please contact the following agency to send condolences or to obtain funeral arrangements:
Baltimore County Police Department
700 East Joppa Road
Towson, MD 21286
Read more: http://www.odmp.org/officer/21821-police-officer-jason-schneider#ixzz2dI6pQTGo
Mike didn't send the letter by the right date and then filed the complaint late. Buy him a calendar.
Can't we all chip in for another pair of cuff links?
Lets ask first vice president Bill Doherhty Frank, Rich and former president Mark Donahue with over 10 years experience each what they were doing to help Mike? They deserve to be voted out more than Mike. All those people had been through 2 contract negotiations with the city while working at FOP before Mike was elected. At least Mike has the excuse of inexperience and being new at the table. I'd rather vote in someone who made a mistake than sat by and watched someone else make it while knowing better. Or is it because all those people where so hands off in the last contract negotiations that they had no clue on what to do which is sadder.
To err is human. To stand by and watch because he wasn't on your team is inexcusable and unforgivable Bill, Rich, Sidney and Frank. Vote out the leftovers of citywide team. I'd rather keep someone who has the balls to say no to Mayor Tiny Dancer than 4 useless fop elected officials who were too busy to help because it wasn't their man Greg.
If Rahm stealing $5-10,000 from your family doesn't make you angry you are just clueless. Stop bringing in any source of Revenue. Why do people still fill the Parker and Mover bins? The indifference makes me sick.
What good is retro if there is no pension? Comments are amusing, looking short term like during every contract negotiation time.
An arbitrator will rule in the past practices, and retro checks are past practices. Your letting a simple $1,000-1500 retro check amount to the entire contract. Simple solution work some vRI or court to compensate IF there is no retro. Don't loose sight of the big picture, a fair solid contract for ALL sides, period. Don't play into rhams hands, of bait and switch, keep your eyes on the real issues which is the contract in it's totality. Deal with FOP later. Remember, FOP is supposed to be run by a team, right? So remember that at election time, seems the team led by Mike dropped the ball, but there is accountability for all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT what's up with sergeant contract
did it go to arbitration
that original offer looks darn good now
8/28/2013 09:43:00 AM
Uh, no. It stunk then and it stinks now.
sounds like fop has punitive damages pending for not sending letter. maybe membership can get retro money from fop insurance
50 years ago Martin Luther King gave arguably one of the greatest speeches in American History. Unfortunately the only fact the African American Community remembers was the "I".
I am willing to bet that the bin that holds the movers, parkers and anov's will be full! HA-HA, LOL. Sometimes we need to look in the mirror to find our own solutions.
It doesn't matter how many. Adsholes knew about w nding the contract, they all sc rewed us, but the buck stops w shields and he should of known better. He fucked us out of a year
Speaking of the Sgts contract did anyone get the fact, that there is no gain for the current board to do anything better than what they tried to pull on the PBPA membership?? Does anyone get it, that they have no vested interest in bringing in a better contract ? If they did they look like fools for trying to push thru a ridiculous contract. Now if they get anything less they look like a hero. Why is it being settled so soon?
Who? has what? to Gain????
Take a look at all the angles people.
You let them stay in office after pookey stole the money and took them (most, not all board members)to vegas as a treat. Then you let them stay in office after they went to bed with Rham. You get what you deserve.
Cowards for not changing the current board......
Don't blame mike. It's not his fault. Blame everyone else.
JAFO said...
Seeing this only from the outside - and only reading what is written here, Shields made a mistake. No doubt.
BUT, as one post asked - Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ? (that should have been part of the transition briefing - "don't forget to send the letter")
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No one needs to advise our president. He only needs to READ the contract. It is only 57 pages long.
The problem is that little mikey failed to actually read the contract we abide by. It is clearly written there.
Laziness. None of the so-called attorneys he hired read it either. Any competent person should be able to read that section of the contract and act appropriately.
You can't just blame Shields. Each and every FOP executive right down to Donahue is to blame. None of them said a word and let this whole thing fall on the FOP President. But remember. FOP is fighting for you. We should be pounding on the front door of FOP. But we wont because we do not stick together! The difference between me and many Blue Shirts? I put my name on it. FOP... all of you should be ashamed of yourselves. None of you deserve to be in the positions you are in! I am beyond disgusted. Greg Giuliani 19855.
Hey Greg, you are wrong. Shields was advised to send the letter. He just didn't send it.
Anonymous said...
When u get a chance try and find the campaign literature that Mike Shields distributed in the last election. Lets see Max out at 21 years and live outside the city limits were just two of the promises that we were told that Mikey would deliver. He failed on all of his promises, yet many people will still vote for him. I believe the Ron Huberman pension video was staged so that that Mike Shields could get notoriety. He did and everyone bought into it. Am i surprised about what happened ? no, because if u sat down and talked with Mike Shields it wouldn't take very long to figure him out!!!
Any po who voted for him because they thought he could get us to max out after 21 years and have the city lift the residency requirement, is an IDIOT plain an simple and deserves what they voted for.
8/28/2013 09:53:00 AM
LMAO!! I guess some people still believe in the Easter Bunny,Santa Claus,Tooth Fairy,pixie dust,and whatever else fairy tales you can think of.
(OT) ever hear the cars for kids commercial? How about this goofy alderman Cardenas idea? Drones for kids!
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130827/mckinley-park/drones-for-safe-passage-why-not-ald-cardenas-asks
greg bella for fop president n gary chico for mayor greg n gary i know who guys read this blog, we need real leadership
Shields can now go be Finkle's cabana boy full time when he is voted out. He can also clean Finkle's guns after he is done at the pool.
donaheu and the rest of the clowns should fired they suck. we should not have police running the union it should be a law firm with a board of advisers made up of police officers.
If the other unions are granted retro then I cannot see the arbitrator denying only the police department. Me too, me too, me too........
It is a fact that shields was advised of the need to send the letter. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. He is responsible. He must go.
Hey, wake up in roll call! It's been read 5 days in a row. You don't need to attach anything to the sgt exam app. They'll refer to HR for that info.
OT:
Just watched some excerpt s from speeches at MLK memorial ceremony. I am a believer in his cause and courage, but I dont have a name, but a woman speaking about freedom reigning in Egypt, Syria, Libya, and...Florida...! Come the fuck on, those should not be in the same sentence! Freedom? Florida is! If the speech was justice...I can see the connection from the other side of view but seriously. Now, Chicago and Iraq... compare away!
Anonymous said...
I love how in the Sun Times article Joe Burns is called the FOP's "outside labor counsel". He was hired well after this gaffe occurred. This falls, just like everything else in this administration, in the laps of Shields, Dougherty, and especially Paul Geiger.
8/28/2013 08:45:00 AM
The people who would know enough to send the letter to the city on time were all fired. Pleines, fired. Mary Pat, Mark's secretary, fired. Everyone else down there, fired. Joey d'Alba the previous labor attorney, fired. They were shitcanned right off so there was no one in a position to advise to send the letter. Except for the previous regime who for some unknown reason chose to keep their mouths shit.
They fucked up big time and it is costing officers millions in retro pay that might never be made up. The retro might not be something that is even put in front of the arbitrator. He might not have the power to order any payment since clearly it was FOP's mistake.
For 9:36 Staying around until they kick me out.Get A Life!!
If you want any muscle, you have to vote. If every single cop registered to vote tomorrow, you don't think you would be treated differently? You guys never learn. Cry all you want, how many of you voted in the last election?
were not second class citizens what about appeal rights National Labor Relations Board?
Maybe all you guys who voted for shields will start to listen to the old timers that are left on this job. You may look at them as lazy dogs but they put in their time and deserve to coast into retirement. Believe it or not you can actually learn something from them. I have 18 years on and still respect and listen to the old timers. I didn't vote for shields just for the reason of lack of time on the job. You should learn something new everyday, the day that you think you know it all is the day you should retire.
Retroactive means they the city owes you some money,and every time you go to work,they owe you money,so why give that up,next you'll be paying them to put that uniform on and working,I dropped those retirement papers 8 months ago and im glad I did,but am looking forward to that retroactive money,why, because they owe me!
However you want to assign the blame, it appears that it will cost all of us over $1k (dont forget all that VRI retro pay you will miss out on too). The bottom line is that the lions share of the blame has to be with shields. HOWEVER, the other fop clowns can walk around all day maintaining the "we told him to file it" defense, but.... if you saw that he was ignoring your warnings, this should have been brought to the attention of the members prior to the due date. You work for us,,, not him. You could have mentioned the deadline was approaching at one of the meetings, or even in your precious newsletter. Shining some light on an approaching deadline could have made a difference. It seems that its an every man for himself attitude down there. YOU ALL WORK FOR US. None of you did a good job in this matter and you certainly were not looking out for our best interests. I can see them actually giving something up for the retro so it doesnt seem like they screwed up so bad. DONT!! You already messed up, dont make it worse by giving up something we will never get back.
As for the pilot program in 012, they already found a schedule that worked. It was the 10 hour days. adjust the hours a little (the only gripe by some of the watches) and it works great.
first Nixon, almost Clinton, now Shields. Impeach!
Gurd your loins for battle boys! Shields should be stripped of his office!
Anonymous said...
wow this sgt application SUX!!! attachments? really? like who my clout is? How about a receipt # that I filled it out? Fucking City
8/28/2013 09:05:00 AM
Attachments? My application said that no attachments were needed. This was highlighted in yellow.
over 55 and staying around until they force me out , make over 100K
working days , school crossings a few reports , maybe write a ticket or 2 , plenty part time jobs , court time , take medical when sick .
8/28/2013 09:36:00 AM
If you are maxed out, you are being foolish.
Remember, if die before you retire, your spouse/family gets your contributions refunded to them and, while it will be a nice piece of change, they will not have a continued income or medical benefits because you were not retired when you passed away.
And, if you are maxed out and passing up the free medical benefits you are eligible to receive if you retire between 55-60years of age, you are again, being foolish. If you wait to retire until you are 60, the free medical benefits might still be available to you, as has been the custom, but by that time, who knows?
Also, while you work to 63 and are maxed out, you are still contributing to the pension until the day you leave, when you could be enjoying life and receiving your pension benefits. Most people who wait until 63 to leave do not live long enough to enjoy their pension.
While you might think you are getting over by staying until the bitter end, you might just be fooling yourself and no one else.
I think we should wait until we get a new Mayor, before any further talks.
A vote of confidence should be in order.. can you post the next meeting date please...
If you want to impeach Shields its easy. Ask a real lawyer !
Come on now, it's everyone's fault except Mikey's.
Hey 10:17 a.m., the victory for Rahm occurred when Shields was elected. It played into Rahm's"Evil deformed little grip" to have Shields in place to betray us.
NOW you want us to stand united with this a$$ hole? Really, go f¥€£ yourself.
On the remark about cops not voting in the 41st ward. Not true,they voted and most of them didn't vote for Oconnor,they voted for Maurita Gavin. Hopefully a well funded real copper will run against arch liberal Oconnor.
Response to :"Hit Back Twice As Hard" 8/28/13 0740.00am
Not CPD.... From CDOT
Amen. I agree. Gotta start negotiations somewhere. Ask for it ALL !! To see that plastered on the news. That would go GLOBAL !!
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
God Bless the CPD, CFD and all city employees and their families that are held "HOSTAGE" in this armpit of a city.
To 0936AM Over 55 and staying until they force me out:Sounds like you need to find a hobby outside of work
I agree, keep working VRI dummies.
I felt when Mike was elected that he was in way over his head. This greatly illustrates that point.
Unfortunately we'll all suffer for his incompetence and immaturity.
Oh well screw the retro check at this point! Not worth trading something for it, that would be a stupid move.
Just work VRI for a few days.
"Anonymous said...
The sad thing is people continue to step over each other for VRI blood money. Wake the fuck up. You're all a bunch of bigger sellouts than Mikey ever will be.
8/28/2013 09:59:00 AM"
The above message translated is "I don't have enough time on the job to get VRI, if I can discourage you old timers from doing it maybe my rookie ass may get some days."
Won't work hairgel.
Worrying about retro? HAHA-- look at the federal judge ruling about San Bernadino bankruptcy and the pension obligations.
I love all the no pay no arrests, no pay no work. I seem to remember taking an oath, does your word only mean something when you get something in return? Grow up. No one said we have to like Rahm or Shield but please man up and quit crying.
If we haven't figured it out yet, Rahm has declared war on us. Unfortunately 3/4 of my watch seem to be French all of the sudden, NO REVENUE FOR THIS PRICK.
This was an error no doubt. With that being said, historically the arbitrator has always discounted or disregarded the 1st year retro pay. This will simply happen again no difference.
Pure BS. Every contract we received retro pay. Dont start spreading the BS about the arbitrator not giving retro money. Let the mayor and FOP spread those lies
Greg Bella always always fought for us. No matter what he loved and cared about us. You mother fuckers who wanted shields and thought "let's not vote for Greg! We need new blood. New thinkers"! This is what you get! You... out there that did not vote for Greg ... F!You!
Greg put fear into those contract meetings with the city. He told the city that we would not take it in the ass. Now.... Mike Shields and co..... They are bending us over and nailing us. Laughing at their big salaries. And ruining our futures.
Thanks a lot !
We need a fop guy from the district
A working copper
8/28/2013 12:05:00 AM
So we'll see YOUR NAME on the ballot next time?
Can they just change are D.O.G like that? Why would they mess with dog in the middle of September when pos already have used up most of their Pdays
yes because we wont fight it and neither will FOP!
So Michael made a mistake. And no one else does. He is locking horns with the Mayor. And the Mayor just batch slapped him.
I say we Vote the Mayor out. He does more of a shit job running things.
Let's stick together. When the shit hits the fan we come together in a sea of blue. This Mayor wants to hold us to a arbitrary date after we made him look good at NATO! Does he forget the whole world was watching us make the city look good.
I for one don't want to negotiate anything with the Mayor. Let's vote him out and move back to D.C.
And for Michael you better bring it. Get that A game going. And no more solo shit. Use your team. All leaders tap into there teams strengths.
The sad thing is people continue to step over each other for VRI blood money. Wake the fuck up. You're all a bunch of bigger sellouts than Mikey ever will be.
OUTSTANDING! No VRI. No working special employment. But we don't stick together so forget it!
Don't blame mike. It's not his fault. Blame everyone else
This is identical to our white house, the president excepts no blame he points the finger at everyone else. Everyone of you who feels that Mike Shields is not at fault must have voted for Obama. Understand that he was voted into office as your president and you had enough confidence in him however he failed you, now do you need to drag everyone else down. Mike was told numerous times to send the letter, he chose not to, his arrogance of knowing so much has caught up to him and now we must all suffer. It would be to his benefit to step down and except the fact, he erred however his thinking is you will all understand that it was only a mistake and it should be overlooked and it will be better the next time.
To blame Mark, or any of the other current board members is only the desire of you who will be running in the future election to bring discredit on these people.
Hey Greg, you are wrong. Shields was advised to send the letter. He just didn't send it.
Then show me proof. What documentation do you have that proves this. If none, then you are all to blame. One is none and 2 is one!!!! What a disgrace!
This may end up saving the city millions of dollars in payroll costs.
I wonder if Mikey will get a merit promotion once he's back on the street after the next election.
He could even end up on the Rahmfather's security detail. Commander's pay there I believe.
This was probably just an immense fuck up, but right now I imagine Rahm is channeling his inner Jackie Gleason.
HOW SWEET IT IS!
Anonymous said...
thats one major mistake! Either he is really stupid, or he and Rahm had one hell of a back room deal...
8/28/2013 12:15:00 AM
Solid point. Doesn't it seem weird that the FOP, which has plenty of LAWYERS, ADVISORS, TREASURERS and the like has NO ONE WHO SPOKE UP TO Shields about the "letter"? I think the FOP Pres coulda been paid to take a dive in this matter...but there are plenty of people below and around him that dropped the ball on this one...
Yeah Mike fucked up, but we have to stay untied. Anything else just plays into Rahm's 9 fingered hands.
Left CPD for a suburban department five years ago...best move I ever made...glad to be out of that rats nest....
Rahm stealing $5-10,000 from your family doesn't make you angry you are just clueless. Stop bringing in any source of Revenue. Why do people still fill the Parker and Mover bins? The indifference makes me sick.
Forget about the small picture kid, think big, the contract should not be passed by the membership, it must go to arbitration. An arbitrator cannot rule on pension. Only a constitutional amendment can change our pension unless we agree to the change. Fuck the retro. U can make that up with a few sick days or court time. Think retirement. Think smart
I'm not surprised by any of this, and the only thing he can do at this point to make it worse is to actually give something up for retro.
You are correct sir. The retro pay issue is not dead. Rahm WILL use it to get what he really wants. This is the one issue that he knows is a win for his side, and it fell right into his lap, courtesy of the FOP president himself.
All Rahm has to do is offer to pay us our retro, as long as we give up (fill in the blank). And knowing most coppers, I see a good chance of this happening because most cannot see past the next pay day.
Left CPD for a suburban department five years ago...best move I ever made...glad to be out of that rats nest....
8/29/2013 01:48:00 AM
......and yet you still read our blog to keep reassuring yourself you made the right move. Looks to me like you are still uncertain.
Yeah Mike fucked up, but we have to stay untied. Anything else just plays into Rahm's 9 fingered hands.
8/29/2013 12:50:00 AM
I agree....we definitely need to stay "untied" because 9 fingers is an awful of fingers to have on one hand.....idiot!!!
Anonymous said...
Rahm stealing $5-10,000 from your family doesn't make you angry you are just clueless. Stop bringing in any source of Revenue. Why do people still fill the Parker and Mover bins? The indifference makes me sick.
Forget about the small picture kid, think big, the contract should not be passed by the membership, it must go to arbitration. An arbitrator cannot rule on pension. Only a constitutional amendment can change our pension unless we agree to the change. Fuck the retro. U can make that up with a few sick days or court time. Think retirement. Think smart
8/29/2013 02:06:00 AM
It isn't merely one year of a raise given as retro. It is a raise due you for every year you work from now on. In addition, since your pension is calculated on your salary, that raise you didn't get will not be used to calculate your pension, meaning your pension will also be lower.
Let's say that first year raise would have amounted to $1,600. Let's further say that you have twenty more years to work. That is 20 times $1,600 or $32,000. That's $32,000 you never get.
Then there is the compounding effect. That is the raises upon raises in the future. The 2% and 3% raise on that 2% raise that you didn't get and you will never get the compounding either.
And you will never get the 75% pension on any of that money. It isn't a one shot bonus like we got once about 25 years ago, it is permanent salary. Pensionable salary. No big deal? Yes, it is a big deal. The way the city throws raises of a nickel around like manhole covers, yes, it is a big deal.
The good thing is Shields seems to be one of the only union leaders who has stood up to Rahm, along with Karen Lewis. Rahm is a low down snake in the grass. The worst kind of slimy vermin serpant bastard. Think carefully when voting for union president next spring.
Anonymous said...
Why wasn't Donahue advising him on sending the letter ?
8/28/2013 04:11:00 AM
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I'm going to tell you about a Unit Rep meeting that was held at the hall about a year or so ago.
The meeting was held to discuss with the unit reps the contract negotiations.
Initially at this meeting we were hoodwinked into signing up to be deputy registrars. A lot of us were pissed about that.
After that, we discussed the contract proposals between the FOP and the city.
Mike Shileds stood at the podium and went line by line of what the FOP was asking for.
There were questions back and forth during this meeting.
But what I noticed during this meeting was that Mike Shields is like a 10 yr old boy.
One of the FOP issues on the table for contract negotiations is the font size that the contract and any other documentation that may go back and forth between the city and the lodge.
The FOP wants all communication with the city to be done in New Times Roman font size 12!
Yes people this is one of your contract points with the city.
Mike Shields stood at that podium and laughed about this. Thought it was funny.
I left, I could not believe that of all the things the lodge could bring up at contract negotiations was the font size of written communition! How petty and juvenile.
And how does it make all of us look?
Do the honorable thing Shields!
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