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- Trouble in Boystown is prompting new tactics by Chicago police to combat crime in that section of Lakeview.
Some residents complain that social service agencies are attracting people who come to the North Side neighborhood to cause problems.
Boystown is known for its tolerance. But many residents say they will not tolerate being No. 1 when it comes to robberies in Chicago.
Yeah, well, the nearby neighborhood voted for Helen Schiller for years while she moved more halfway houses into the area than any other ward in the city, so you know where that blame lies - with the police (partly):
- Residents are also complaining about slow response times and say there are not enough officers to respond to all of the calls.
Nolden says he called 911 twice in recent months and says both times waited 15 minutes for police to arrive.
"They were very apologetic for showing up late, that due to staffing issues this kind of fell low on the priority list," Nolden said.
Don't let Rahm hear this. Or McJersey. We're policing smarter now. Manpower is fine. Don't you know murders are down 80% in Roger's Park?
- The murder rate in Chicago remains two-and-a-half times higher than the national average, but, compared to a quarter-century ago, the total number of killings has actually dropped by more than 50%.
While violence is a major problem in Chicago, one neighborhood has made real progress against it. A new study reported that, since 1990, the biggest drop in homicide anywhere in Chicago has been in Rogers Park's 24th Police District. The study found 80% fewer killings.
All crime looks better when compared to a quarter-century ago - that was near the peak of the "crack wars" if we recall. This is just more of the ":statistically, things could be worse" type stories that McRahm'sPuppet and Rahm love to run with. They are applying CompStat to the past.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Where is the VRI in 019? Oh wait, they actually pay taxes in 019, silly me.
The stealing of police resources from tax paying areas to give to the non tax paying ghetto has to stop!
Call your alderman to complain.
- Garry M
Why aren't there VRI "boxes" at Central & Irving Pk (portage park), Rodgers park, Boystown? Aren't there taxpayers in these districts? Why isn't their aldermen speaking up for their constituents? We can protect the ghetto dwellers and their constant gang-banging and shooting each other, but we can't protect the other citizens in this city? Demand VRI protection in these areas, too.
Rogers Park?????? I think thats little bit north than old 23rd district 10 sector beats that were always filled with CHA and section 8 and many half-way houses.
Crime down in 024 you say? I'm pretty sure we are on track to have more homicides, shootings and robberies than we did last year. Sure it's not the south or west side but Rogers Park has its moments.
024 District P.O.
How is the consolidation of 019/023 going?
Not too long ago, both districts had nearly 700 Officers between the two of them...
Now they're running about 250 officers in a "super-district" huh?
Consolidation is bullshit!
Just a glorified way to hide the manpower shortage.
Before consolidation of 019/023, 012/013 and 002/021, all 25 original districts were down from their mid 90's manpower peak some 150 to 200 officers per district...
Look around you... It ain't rocket science, it's an intentional reduction of Police staffing by over one third.
Where are the rapids that used to go up on all watches?
The extra wagons?
10-4 units on every watch?
Where did all the people go?
IT DIDN'T USED TO BE SO HARD TO GET TIME OFF BECAUSE WE HAD EXTRA HELP!
So... Where did nearly 5000 Policemen vanish to over the last decade and a half?
1000 to 1200 pairs of new boots on the ground in that time and nearly ALL of them sent to points West and South?
Years of intentionally not posting openings in districts in Area 3 even though they're short-handed because they want to keep coppers from escaping places like Englewood and Harrison when they get burned out?
Just where the fuck did all the Police disappear to?
You know, homicides are down since the Ft. Dearborn Massacre. We just don't get that kind of killing here since we brought in New York compstat policing to combat the Indians AND the Pilgrims.
This is what diversity looks like! You (meaning rich gay white men) built The Center on Halsted. You wanted to help the disenfranchised LGBTQ community. And now you are upset with the ghetto gays because they aren't civilized or adding anything to the community. Me, I'd take civility over diversity any day of the week.
95% of robberies in 019 involve ghetto gays.
In regards to the shootings/homicides. Couple of reasons why numbers aint like they use to be. First offenders don't know how to shoot. Most of time offenders hit there target in ass leg arm. Second medical technology is far more advanced then years past. Therefore Doctors can save more shit heads
I feel sorry for the people who live west of Ashland to the river, they get no police service since the move. all the cars get tied up either at boystown, clark st, or uptown. all have 1 common factor.
The Gay Community has a lot of pull and they are right on this issue.
This is what you get when you strip manpower and send it from the makers to the takers.
We need hiring ramped up 10fold
Before anyone in 024 gets a big head, lets get something straight. I work there. Due to years of bosses without spines who feel leadership is nagging workers for petty shit (cough, Schloss, cough, Kujawa) the predominant officer in Rogers park is pathetic. Sure you have some good people, though they are a VERY few. The old area three mentality of not making waves, preached by bosses like Boggs, Rottner, and Wick, while taking care of those in a social minority group simply because they are in said group, has absolutely destroyed any work ethic. I have worked in a few districts throughout the south, west, and north sides. The drop in crime is due to two things. Our shitheads are some of the biggest pussies you will ever run into. Truly. It takes them years to retaliate for anything. Coupled with the fact there is no "open air" drug market anymore and you have the reasons for your drop. Not because of any brilliant anti-crime strategies the bosses have implemented and certainly not because of the aggressive blue shirts. I'm sure every district has similar gripes. And just to head off the fuckos who are gonna say "quit complaining and do something about it", I say, welcome to Chicago, it's systemic. A person in my position can only vent and a thank you to SCC for giving a bunch of us a place to do so.
Sorry liberals... but you will get the same police service as everyone else.
Has anyone seen Mcdummy hanging around havent heard fromhim
Good to see Sgt. Sherman though. He must have moved down there. I think he once told me he was going to.
Said it on another thread, but will say it again. I called 911 on a Friday evening and no one answered and no one called me back. The taxpayers really are on their own.
Wow ~ they had to wait 15 minutes for the police to arrive?! I live in Edison Park and had to wait 30 minutes for the police to show up!!
OT--has anyone else seen the ad for "Al Jazeera (sp?) America"? Was watching some obscure channel because there was nothing to watch, and just caught a bit of it. Something about 'there's more to Al Jazeera than you think'......I'll bet there is.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Before anyone in 024 gets a big head, lets get something straight. I work there. Due to years of bosses without spines who feel leadership is nagging workers for petty shit (cough, Schloss, cough, Kujawa) the predominant officer in Rogers park is pathetic. Sure you have some good people, though they are a VERY few. The old area three mentality of not making waves, preached by bosses like Boggs, Rottner, and Wick, while taking care of those in a social minority group simply because they are in said group, has absolutely destroyed any work ethic. I have worked in a few districts throughout the south, west, and north sides. The drop in crime is due to two things. Our shitheads are some of the biggest pussies you will ever run into. Truly. It takes them years to retaliate for anything. Coupled with the fact there is no "open air" drug market anymore and you have the reasons for your drop. Not because of any brilliant anti-crime strategies the bosses have implemented and certainly not because of the aggressive blue shirts. I'm sure every district has similar gripes. And just to head off the fuckos who are gonna say "quit complaining and do something about it", I say, welcome to Chicago, it's systemic. A person in my position can only vent and a thank you to SCC for giving a bunch of us a place to do so.
8/21/2013 03:41:00 AM
Those WERE good bosses. You wouldn't know a good boss if he bite you in the ass ...
Start screening out the nonsense calls. The civil matters and disrespect crimes involving kids.
End holding all the late rapid cars down on useless missions. Let them answer calls too.
It is a bit ridiculous to compare the murder rate of today to 25 years ago. The advancement in EMS and trauma care in Chicago has advanced in leaps and bounds. A lethal wound of 25 years ago can be a survivable wound with today's EMS and trauma care.
As Mark Twain was quoted as saying "'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"
North Halsted is just returning to the shithole it used to be. It's cyclical.
When are the politically correct eggheads from Northwestern or the University of Chicago Journalism schools going to study why since 1963 over 25,000 blacks were killed by blacks and not only a small percentage were reported in the media but no one noticed the trend?
8/21/2013 01:21:00 AM
You make some very good points. 019 is a huge district now and it is also densely packed. Yet they only have 250 officers?
Quit yer bellyaching and get ready to pay your second installment property taxes, you enlightened libs. Embrace the diversity, you wanted it! Now go gulp some more free trade coffee to assuage your feelings of guilt.
Check the seniority list in 019. Only 4 PO's with under 5 years on the job. And only a few with 5 and 6 years on. The average time in the job is around 18 years. Disgracefull that 35th never sends 019 young coppers!
Well when there are 8 tac teams (literally 8 since the merger) and Lt BS lets them keep part time hours while never answering calls or helping out, it is no wonder there is a PERCEPTION of a manpower issue there. If Eli busted half of them back to a beat car, he'd have more than enough bodies to quell the violence! The teams are comprised of mostly young hair gels looking to avoid midnights...so the solution is actually quite simple...take what you have, Eli, and force them to work! It really isn't rocket science!
Let the good citizens of 019 strap on their hi-heel stilettos, throw a couple of rolls of quarters in their clutch purses and start walking a community watch beat.
Boystown invited all these gay ghetto thugs into the neighborhood with their liberalism and strength in numbers attitude.
The previous writer is right, the vast majority of crime in the past several years is from these pieces of shit they wanted to help.
At the end of the day, they are all grown men and regardless of their chaps or dress size are capable of going one on one with these shitbirds.
If a few of you boys stand up to the problem rather than cry to the alderman your problem might not go away but it will decrease.
big guy in 024, you are right about being surrounded by shaky coppers--- however if you bid anywhere else you will discover that every district is loaded with them--- can you really blame them though ???--- the department does NOT back it's officers--- many hard working coppers have hung up their spurs after watching fellow brothers in arms run off this job for bullshit--- the hardest thing in the world to do is "look the other way"....
Who was that Alfred E. Neuman-looking guy in that report ?
Today marks 15 years since Mike Ceriale died after his brave battle to recover from a one-in-a-million shot by a POS banger.
What shows up in 012 as we approach this sad day for many officers from 013 that knew him? Nearly $5k of exercise equipment donated to us by the Foundation that bears his name. We are especially grateful for the heavy and speed bags, as Mike was a Golden Gloves heavyweight boxing champ.
Rest in Peace, my friend. You will NEVER be forgotten.
The only time I put the blue lights on in 019 is when there is a 10-1!
Other calls that get response times under 15-20 minutes is a good response time to me, because If I were to get into an accident in this highly congested district, with people walking everywhere while driving to an in progress call, I'm sure no boss will have my back!
Don't like my attitude then get more Police in 019 to help out on all watches!
Other that that, let these mutts kill each other!
They are doing us a favor every time a mutt dies!
No more wasting taxpayers money supporting these scumbags!
25 years ago Robert Taylor Homes still up and running along with all the other CHA buildings, plus populaltion was about 750K more.
Hey, what happened to all the calls that were supposed to be re-routed through 311? They made a big deal about that at the beginning of the year and it's back to business as usual answering every bull shit call that is sent our way.
If you GIVE a cat milk he shows up every day for more.
Then more cats appear and WANT milk also.
When you STOP putting out more and more milk the cats start roaming the area of where the milk was and look for more idiots to GIVE them milk.
When no milk is GIVEN they find ways to TAKE the milk by any means necessary.
To KEEP your milk,
Don't GIVE any to cats.
The tactical teams are useless in Lakeview area. I live and work in Lakeview area and I never see the unmarked units patrolling on Belmont, Broadway, or Halsted Street. The LT. of Tact. only wants them in Uptown, which can't be denied, considering the most recent shooting. A way to resolve this... Place them all in uniform every day. Get rid of the tact team plain clothes assignments. No need for them, besides you can see them look like the Police a mile away. If you are going to be undercover, play the role and use your undercover skills. Otherwise, wear the uniform. Or do you think your too good for that?
Anonymous said...
Well when there are 8 tac teams (literally 8 since the merger) and Lt BS lets them keep part time hours while never answering calls or helping out, it is no wonder there is a PERCEPTION of a manpower issue there. If Eli busted half of them back to a beat car, he'd have more than enough bodies to quell the violence! The teams are comprised of mostly young hair gels looking to avoid midnights...so the solution is actually quite simple...take what you have, Eli, and force them to work! It really isn't rocket science!
8/21/2013 09:54:00 AM
Are you smoking your own hair? I'm no tact ranger, but there sure isn't 8 tact teams and never was. I believe they are down to 4 now and the most they ever had was 6 and that was due to the merger. The district is huge and heavily populated with issues north and south. 019 needs more than 3 tact teams.
Enough with the "libs" of 19 bullshit. There are plenty of residents here, myself included, who are NOT leftists.
Well when there are 8 tac teams (literally 8 since the merger) and Lt BS lets them keep part time hours while never answering calls or helping out, it is no wonder there is a PERCEPTION of a manpower issue there. If Eli busted half of them back to a beat car, he'd have more than enough bodies to quell the violence! The teams are comprised of mostly young hair gels looking to avoid midnights...so the solution is actually quite simple...take what you have, Eli, and force them to work! It really isn't rocket science!
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Do yourself a favor you sniveling whiner, retire or quit. The new 019 never had 8 tact teams. 6 yes. Currently it is down to 3 plus a team filled with misfits that will soon also be gone. The only thing you may have touched on is Lt BS. He has done what he said he would over a year ago and gotten rid of the riff raff from 019 tact...
It looks like the Cinnabun Alderman is gone!
There is no novelty in being a GAY alderman now. There are three out and two in the closet, on the council right now.
Say BYEBYE Tunney!!!
So... Where did nearly 5000 Policemen vanish to over the last decade and a half?
1000 to 1200 pairs of new boots on the ground in that time and nearly ALL of them sent to points West and South?
Years of intentionally not posting openings in districts in Area 3 even though they're short-handed because they want to keep coppers from escaping places like Englewood and Harrison when they get burned out?
Just where the fuck did all the Police disappear to?
8/21/2013 01:21:00 AM
We retired.
Daley and Emanuel never hired.
Well when there are 8 tac teams (literally 8 since the merger) and Lt BS lets them keep part time hours while never answering calls or helping out, it is no wonder there is a PERCEPTION of a manpower issue there. If Eli busted half of them back to a beat car, he'd have more than enough bodies to quell the violence! The teams are comprised of mostly young hair gels looking to avoid midnights...so the solution is actually quite simple...take what you have, Eli, and force them to work! It really isn't rocket science!
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Do yourself a favor you sniveling whiner, retire or quit. The new 019 never had 8 tact teams. 6 yes. Currently it is down to 3 plus a team filled with misfits that will soon also be gone. The only thing you may have touched on is Lt BS. He has done what he said he would over a year ago and gotten rid of the riff raff from 019 tact...
Lt BS trolling I see! You and your teams are worthless!!! WORTHLESS!!!! 30+ guys doing NOTHING!! Working part time hours is all. If BS said he was going to allow his people to get away with theft, then he has done exactly what he said he would. ELI! dump them all to MUDs! Solve your problem
Anonymous said...
So... Where did nearly 5000 Policemen vanish to over the last decade and a half?
1000 to 1200 pairs of new boots on the ground in that time and nearly ALL of them sent to points West and South?
Years of intentionally not posting openings in districts in Area 3 even though they're short-handed because they want to keep coppers from escaping places like Englewood and Harrison when they get burned out?
Just where the fuck did all the Police disappear to?
8/21/2013 01:21:00 AM
This lock-down has been going on for 3-4 years.Bidding was never an issue before they would actually post realistic openings.I've been stuck in a shithole and can tell you for certain we have around 30 PARS going out on any decent opening.I could imagine multiplying that times all the ghetto districts and all the TRU/SOS guys still stuck down south its nearly impossible to move around.
To the stroke unhappy with the tact teams in 019
To remain on tact in any district, all you have to do is outperform the watch.
Nobody in 019 has put any heat on the tact guys by coming in with a lot of activity.
All the times that 019 has been chewed up at COMSTAT, tact has always survived the beatings.
You would prefer they all be in beat cars so you might be able to handle one or two less calls a day. Fast districts handle more calls before they get their coffee than you do in a tour.
So, STFU and quit acting like the blue jean police have to do all the work while you hand in your case report, your two parkers and your slew of 19pauls. It says Chicago Police on the side of your car and on your star. Your cuffs work too, probably just need a good oiling.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where is the VRI in 019? Oh wait, they actually pay taxes in 019, silly me.
8/21/2013 12:07:00 AM
They are all on Days doing Street Cleaning and Rush Hour.
018 is the same way....heck...today Beat 1813 managed to have all of Street Cleaning enforced by 9:05am.
I love how you guys prep your books.
031A just now on hermitage, half block north of tiny dancer's house. Crime is down!
To the stroke unhappy with the tact teams in 019
To remain on tact in any district, all you have to do is outperform the watch.
Nobody in 019 has put any heat on the tact guys by coming in with a lot of activity.
All the times that 019 has been chewed up at COMSTAT, tact has always survived the beatings.
You would prefer they all be in beat cars so you might be able to handle one or two less calls a day. Fast districts handle more calls before they get their coffee than you do in a tour.
So, STFU and quit acting like the blue jean police have to do all the work while you hand in your case report, your two parkers and your slew of 19pauls. It says Chicago Police on the side of your car and on your star. Your cuffs work too, probably just need a good oili
Top problem in 019 is the robberies near or after the bars are closing.. ALL tact members cry and bitch is they have to work on the robbery issues and work mids once in a while... And when they do, they come in with pimpy weed arrest far away from where the robberies are happening. And they take 2 to 3 hours inside trying yo figure out which hair-gel is going to be in box one.. All the while, west side mutts causing mayhem.. But they are taught "quantity over quality" arrests just so they can keep that "spot".. Morons
lt Stasher is keeping all his 023 district tact teams and messing with the 019 district tact teams. So unfair.
tact always has to bail out midnights
its not a manpower issue, its a work ethic issue
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