Pick Your Own Jury
Vegas is NOT, repeat NOT, taking odds on the outcome of this sporting event:
- Transparency first. Mike Shields held an emergency Board meeting today to pick a panel to hear his case. If you haven't heard Mike was brought up on charges for violating the FOP by-laws by not sending the city the retro letter. Shields does not believe he has to follow Roberts Rules of Order and let the Board pick the panel. So in violation of evrything Mike appoints Mike Underwood, John Lipka and Denis Doherty to the panel. the Board vited 14 to 11 in favor of Shields. Mike is just like all the other politicians in crook county. He is on trial so he picks the judge and jury. What's really sad is he doesn't se. Anything wrong in his actions. We must hold the FOP Board of Directors and this trial panel accountable for their actions. It's time for acTion.
The hearing date is next week already?
- SCC - Please alert membership that FOP President Michael Shields' hearing on the charges filed against him is scheduled for Monday, 30 September 2013, 1000 hours, at the FOP Hall.
Members are invited to attend this meeting to see Shields' hand picked committe (kangaroo court) find him not guilty. The fix is sure in!
If you're interested in the direction of the Lodge, you might want to stop by. We understand that some commentators in a previous thread are relating that the By-Laws are silent concerning these actions by the President, but let's be honest, the appearance of stacking the deck is not doing the FOP any favors.
NOTE: These comments are copied exactly as posted - grammar police will be deleted out of hand.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
122 Comments:
It is sickening to see all the back stabbers at the FOP. They were against Shields from day one. Shields is the only one who has stood up for the membership. He is the only one who publicly called out the mayor and superintendents on their lies and bullshit. You mean to tell me that Shields is the only one who knew about this letter to the city? You know there were plenty in the FOP who failed to ensure this letter was turned in. They want Shields out and themselves in. Shields publicly humiliated Hubberman when he tried to fleece our pension fund. Shields kept the pension board in check. It is truly embarrassing that you mopes don't see that Rahm and his complicit media are trying to divide and conquer the FOP. Rahm is a dirty, foul mouthed, piece of shit.
Glad you clarified the grammar... It appears that in the first section the letter it states as if it was a done deal that their votes were casts in favor of Shields... But then you qualified that by saying the vote is to take place the 30th
Dear Mike,
When in the coarse of human events it becomes apparent....your fired my friend.
America
I'm voting for Carlos Cortez as President and anyone that aligns with him because I trust his judgement. Carlos is the only one with balls to bring up charges.
The same Mike Shields who stacked the deck to kick out a repentant Harold Brown for releasing a memo that had already been released, who was told by the State Lodge to reconsider the decision to do so but has postponed it til who knows when. Sounds like he thinks he is king! Rules? We don't need no stinkn rules!
If they already voted 14-11 in his favor then what's the Sept 30 hearing date about?
Once again, let's make sure to make it loud and clear to city hall that we are a union coming apart in every direction.
this letter should not have been the end all of our negotiations.
also, what a waste of time to make the case that his mistake was intentional and merits charges.
All you RATS over on Washington Street make me sick.
The first comment in this thread was originally posted before the meeting even ended. Which means only one thing:
The people that are supposed to be representing the best interests of the men and women in blue have been splintered and divided for quite some time. They're too busy disclosing and airing dirty laundry on blogs in hopes of propelling their goals/agenda of running in the next FOP election. Most of this dirty laundry fabricated.
The Good Old Boys Club was turned on its head by Shields and those on his ticket that got elected. The old guard has been scheming and plotting ways to make Mike the fall guy since the beginning, the best interests of all of us be damned. The old guard wants to be back in charge in a big way and they have no problem selling us all out to get it.
Dougherty. DiMaria. Aguilar. Even that overpaid hack Donahue contributed to the fucked up state our union is currently in. Yes, Mike has to eat it all because he occupies the big chair, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that this was an orchestrated fuck-up. Orchestrated by the very same guys that were supposed to put aside their petty differences from the campaign/election and work for the betterment of all of us. We would've been in much better shape had the whole Shields ticket (or another completely new regime) got elected - at least they would've all shared the same goals.
A house divided cannot stand. And that's what Chicago FOP Lodge 7 is: DIVIDED. Doomed from the very beginning of this split ticket. Fuck all you Old School guys - I worked with two of you fellas in the 80s - that allowed this catastrophe to happen.
- Retired & Disgusted
Nails in the coffin.
The kid is playing slick.
It look s like the next election is going to be a cleaning of house.
We must be extra careful because Little Mikey has many years to go in patrol if he is not elected.
He may try and sell us out for a SGT. spot
So everyone on the board should be on notice you screw up and do not think life back in patrol will be easy!
Maybe now all the Shields defenders will wake up. They can spin it any way they want, but one fact remains; Shields never sent the contract negotiations demand letter on time even though he told the coppers at the Feb 21, 2012 fop meeting he was going to send it. This was seven full days before the deadline.
Now he tells the coppers at the September 2013 meeting he thought he had more time to send the letter and is sorry. Two board members call him on his bullshit and he has no response.
He is brought up on charges. He selects a handpicked committee to hear them and I'm supposed to believe anything this guy says. He is so full of shit he ought to be our mayor, not our president.
He really needs to go. Sooner not later, but I'm sure his followers will blindly continue to follow him.
What other alternatives to we have besides the teamsters. either way we should listen to other groups if fop is going to charge us and not support us. these idiots at fop are making six figure salaries. Am already getting fucked by the city, I have no more holes to get screwed with. seriously what other organizations are out there nationally
Mike Underwood is a nice guy but he is the same agent that shilled for Mike Shields when he pulled that rehearsed media charade allegedly against Ron Huberman with the assistance of Larry Yellen from Fox 32.
Ironically, the same media stunt that got him elected to the Pension Board and then catapulted Mike Shields to the FOP Presidency.
It's all crystal clear now!
The same reason that Mike Underwood hit the front page of the Chicago Sun Times portrayed as a martyr.
Think about it!
How do you get the front page of the Sun Times or pull an orchestrated media stunt without the overt aid of Rahm and the "Machine Apparatus".
Shields needs to go!
Shields sold all of us out!
Shields can go solicit security business via Howard Labkon, James B Finkl, Rahm Emmanuel and the rest of the Democratic Machine.
Don't forget, I haven't:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/17599020-452/what-happened-in-case-of-cops-business-partner-busted-in-river-north-gun-raid.html
Heard they gave this goof an award at the Emerald Society dinner tonight. Supposedly for his great leadership of the FOP. Great just what we need. Keep feeding his ego and he will go even deeper into fantasyland.
If this isn't a reason to start to get you fellow officers INVOLVED in our union nothing will. This is a joke there are only 200 people out of 10,000 that can run for FOP office
Shields isn't the only tool, Dougherty Aguilar, DiMaria, and Capparelli, and Sid Davis all need to go, how funny that Dougherty and Aguilar never once raised the issue that Shields failed to send any letter out, as a matter of fact several board members say that they attacked other board members who challenged them
There is NO FUCKING WAY they get votes either!!!!!
Let's see the choices....
A disabled cop who has milked the pension fund for last 8 years after being run out under Nolan's team
Dougherty and Aguilar who were SILENT and remained silent until the lies caught up with Shields
Shields who is a fucking liar and is too egotistical to not run again
Let's hope someone steps up to lead us.....
Read the bylaws Kevin Graham.... Stop your crying.... Roberts rules only kick in if the bylaws are silent you tool
Problem is unless cops get involved in the union it's going to be the same 200 guys that will be the ones running the union. So stop bitching unless your going to get involved
How stupid is Dean Angelo Jr. he voted with Shields while his father is running against Shields. Can he be that dumb or is Dean Sr. just a shill? I guess all those Calumet College student cops feel pretty dumb.
I'm a Sgt.. And although I'm not an FOP active member but a fair share paying member I WOULD support Tim Murphy if he ran, he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs.
Dont call Illinois State Lodge President Ted Street to help with this mess. Mikey promised him 300 votes in next years election for State President. Ted is looking the other way saying, Chicagos problem is Labor not Fraternal. Guess what Ted, what Mike has done is governed by the fraternal aspect of the Lodge. These guys make the Teamsters look like a viable option.
He can pick his own judge and jury at the FOP, but he won't be able to fix the vote count come next election.
FOP should be renamed FLOP.
Jesus can we PLEASE move on? At the end of the day, we will get, what? 1%? 2% raise tops for the contract (if we get anything at all!) so the Shields flub is not going to be that damaging. HOWEVER the more people piss and moan about it the more likely there will be an attempt to over-compensate for the flub and give up something more! Stop crying, do a couple VRIs, get back the couple hundred bucks of retro you lost, and move on with your life.
Typical CPD bitching and overblown nonsense.
Let it go
Oh how this drips of irony. The very people Mikey picked to acquit him are now in the position where if they do, they themselves will be the brunt of criticism from the membership while at the same time making the union look even more incompetent. If the do the right thing while protecting themselves, they now become Judas to their mentor.
I'm almost giddy waiting to see how this novella comes to its conclusion. Its better than any cliffhanger anyone could imagine.
Is there a list of the stooges that voted for shields selectees? I will Remeber come election time.
I thought the below post was very interesting. If true, Mike Underwood needs to be brought up on charges too. I urge the membership to attend Monday's hearing to witness the fix orchestrated by Shields & Co. FOP is an extension of the corrupt Democratic machine.
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Anonymous said...
The plot thickens.
Carlos Cortez, who, just prior to filing charges against
FOP President Mike Shields, claims that he was approached by Michael Underwood who asked him not to file the charges and suggested that Shields would consider him for the Field Rep spot that he anticipates being vacated by Jim McCarthy when the next Sgts class is made. This guy is cut form the same cloth that all of our scum of the earth Illinois politicians come from and not that of a union leader who is suppose to be representing the membership. Plain and simple folks Shields failed to submit the letter on time, then lied to us to cover it up and is now trying to fix the outcome of the charges brought against him by handpicking the committee who will determine his guilt or innocence. He was elected to be a leader who works for us and not a dictator whose only concern is his welfare. The membership needs to stand up to this dictator and knock him our of office because he has the majority of the board in his pocket who voted with him to let him pick his own committee.
The mindset of the trustees have always been, I am there for the check. It's not a lot of money but none the less they want that check every month. It may be the only time in our careers that we see that even the election of trustees matter. To the Trustees that read this blog, know this. You have a fiduciary responsibility to the membership as a whole and if there is any wrongful management to be found you can be held with a certain degree of responsibility because of this fiduciary responsibility. I'm sure Geiger is awaiting all of the post in his effort to not read the blog, but keep in my charges can be brought up on the trustees as well. What doesn't make sense to me is why the charges were not brought up on the State Lodge level. That is where tho should be hashed out. Maybe that will be the next step and the trustees on the panel better check with council before they rubber stamp Mickey and his actions.
Scc can you post the names of the fourteen board members that allowed Shields to pick his own panel?
Shields is a disgrace as a president. Does it get much lower than this?
Rahm is jumping with joy!
Divide and conqueror destroy the union and steal what's left of the pension!
Perhaps its time to decertify the FOP and find someone new.
No one has any strength of character any more. A real man would have resigned in disgrace after such incompetence.
Stop with the nonsense. This is all smoke and mirrors folks. The real issue is next tuesday's regular Board meeting. This Board or anyone on a committee cannot remove Mike because he's being accused of losing the retro which HAS NOT happened. All of you will make plans to attend the meeting on Monday and they'll simply move the date on the charges against Mike.
Go to the next board meeting this Tuesday at 1000 hours and demand Paul Geiger's termination if you want to see the house of cards fall.
It just makes you go hmmmmmm. This is not what I voted for when I voted Shields. I think the best thing for all of us is for Mike to resign. First he didn't send the letter, then he picks his own guys to hear his trial. Now one of his guys offers a job to the person bringing him up on charges if he drops the charges. Dont forget the Finkl fiasco is still ongoing. What is coming next?
When the bathhouse brought Mikey up on charges that he didn't wipe down the equipment properly, he was able to pick his own panel then.
I was on it. I voted to keep him. He is sooooo cute.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
When is everyone going to wake up? This guy has got to go. We have lost so much from this union. In ten years, we have received nothing. Losing 25 contractual days, working a 4-2 work week that we didn't want.( oh and yes we do work 5 days a week ) We give them a half hour everyday people. Remember we had a 30 days and pending ( max suspension) now they can give us a 364 day suspension . What if you have a family? Who takes care of you? Nobody. Our dental has not been upgraded in 18 years. Shields needs to go. It's up to us to make sure this happens. We can't afford to give up anything and with Rahm he will take everything.
Drag them all out and put new leadership in.
How can shields pick the committee to hear his charges? Isn't that like being charged with a crime and then you are allowed to pick the Judge and jury who will hear your case? And don't forget he tried to vibe the prosecutor. How can it happen? It did. To quote John Kass we are all chumbelons.
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Pretty easy when your in charge of the organization and have your following who thinks what Mike Shields has done is ok, they see nothing as Schultz would say.
Shields is not worried about the money he took out of our pockets but the money he will be loosing when he goes back to patrol. It is all about the money!!!
Mike underwood is about the only person in that organization I trust. He's the guy the retirees are using for the court case to fight going to Obama care.
If Cortez was not running for office he might have come creditability He's been AWOL for five years. He and disability Dean are forming their ticket for the next election. ticket. Kevin Graham is forming a ticket as are the rest of the old city-wide forming a ticket. These guys are like senators for the roman senate - all backstabbers.
I'll trust Underwood before any of the weenies.
FOP CONSTITUTION AND BY LAWS..........Charges shall be in writing and shall describe the alleged violations. Upon receipt of such charges, the Recording Secretary shall immediately distribute copies of the charges to the accused member and to the members of the Board of Directors of the Lodge.
Charges were brought on 17 Sept. The board received a copy of the charges on Monday 23 Sept. Go Figure?
How about the Rest of Board of Directors being brought up on charges for failing to assist the President in his duties. Anyone could have sent the damn letter. Now, all of us have to pay for the mistake of the whole Board. It's not just the President, but also the Board that's supposed to make sure our interests are protected and voiced. If the President has to go, god help us if someone from the current board replaces him because it'll be wreaking of a coup at our expense! $$$
To the first blogger you raise excellent points but forget one thing, after Mike fucked up he covered it up and lied to EVERYONE!!!!!!! It's a lot harder to move on and remember the big picture when you have a guy that lies and continues it..... He was told many many times and HE ALONE decided he had more power behind him and took a stance and when he got caught he sought legal advice and this is the end results.....
Shields is the only one......
Are you serious the guy loves the cameras and media attention. He is a fucking LIAR!!!!!!
Once again, let's make sure to make it loud and clear to city hall that we are a union coming apart in every direction.
this letter should not have been the end all of our negotiations.
also, what a waste of time to make the case that his mistake was intentional and merits charges
That is Shields fault. Who gets to pick his own jury. Thats wrong!
Shields isn't the only tool, Dougherty Aguilar, DiMaria, and Capparelli, and Sid Davis all need to go, how funny that Dougherty and Aguilar never once raised the issue that Shields failed to send any letter out, as a matter of fact several board members say that they attacked other board members who challenged them
Then name the board members that were attacked. This didn't happen. You can't be the police because if you were you would know that Mike told us at the Feb 21, 2012 general meeting that he had to get the letter in. Mike lied about being told.
I'm a Sgt.. And although I'm not an FOP active member but a fair share paying member I WOULD support Tim Murphy if he ran, he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs
Tim also voted to allow Shields to pick his own ticket. I like Tim, but he allowed Mike Underwood to Chair this committee. Mike Underwood works for the Shields boys. not right.
I'm a Sgt.. And although I'm not an FOP active member but a fair share paying member I WOULD support Tim Murphy if he ran, he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs.
9/28/2013 04:24:00 AM
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Too bad Tim Murphy along with Dean Angelo, Jr voted to allow Shields to pick his own hearing committee. Tim and Dean Jr. are in bed with Shields. Neither of these tools gets my vote. I'm voting for Carlos Cortes!
I was told by a board member that Mike is trying to speed up this hearing to keep the witnesses from being brought in by the complaintant. He knows that if the right people testify that the truth will come out and he will be gone. They should bring in his old secretary to testify. She talked about the letter in her exit letter.
I'm ready to vote the FLOP out. No guts No glory.
When Cutler fucks up and throws an interception you don't blame the rest of the team, you blame the guy who was supposed to get the job done.
Same here. Mike wanted to be the president. He should have known what it entailed. He fucked up. The responsibility falls squarely on his shoulders. No one elses. Period. If he was man enough he'd admit it.
Now he compounds the mess with this bullshit? And you guys continue to try to defend him and place the blame elsewhere?
The truly funny thing here is we hear all kinds of names being mentioned here, but nobody mentions Donahue himself told the members at the last meeting he told Mike to send the letter three or four times. What does he have to gain? Shields hired him for the past three years. Maybe he's telling the truth.
to 4:24am
Tim Murphy does sound like a great guy and a great detective. However we need to elect someone with labor law experience, does Tim have any of that? We need to stop treating this like a student council election and more like it actually fucking matters.
Tim Murphy is a great detective, somehow that translates into a great union president. Faulty logic. Tim voted to let shields pick his own judge and jury, I'm not that easily impressed.
Looks like Seiser is making a run for president ..Superman has my vote!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a Sgt.. And although I'm not an FOP active member but a fair share paying member I WOULD support Tim Murphy if he ran, he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs.
9/28/2013 04:24:00 AM
I know Tim too. Im not debating the fact that he was a great Cop and now an incredible Detective. Yes, he has worked in some shitty areas of the City and worked some high profile cases. And he's pretty personable too. Im not going to say anything bad about him.
HOWEVER....
As far as FOP President? I'll offer this question: Does being a good Cop / Detective make a good union president? I want someone that knows about contract law, workers rights, knows how to send out a fucking letter on time, can organize the Patrolmen in this department... THATS what I want for FOP leadership.
I'm a Sgt.. And although I'm not an FOP active member but a fair share paying member I WOULD support Tim Murphy if he ran, he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs------------------------
I'll bet your team also writes contacts and ANOV's for you on your command. Dude, I've been going to the meeting for years, and can't say I've heard a roar from your detective. Nice try though.
Tim "murph" Murphy is in Mikey's pocket, just like the rest of the chumbelones.
Post the names of the 14 who allowed mike to pick his own committee.
This entire "union" has become a joke. And I supported Shields at one point. You have my deepest apologies.
I'm a Sgt.. And although I'm not an FOP active member but a fair share paying member I WOULD support Tim Murphy if he ran, he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs.
9/28/2013 04:24:00 AM
I know Tim too. Im not debating the fact that he was a great Cop and now an incredible Detective. Yes, he has worked in some shitty areas of the City and worked some high profile cases. And he's pretty personable too. Im not going to say anything bad about him.
HOWEVER....
As far as FOP President? I'll offer this question: Does being a good Cop / Detective make a good union president? I want someone that knows about contract law, workers rights, knows how to send out a fucking letter on time, can organize the Patrolmen in this department... THATS what I want for FOP leadership.
No argument about Tim as a great guy however Tim was one of the board members who voted to allow Shields to pick his own jury.
he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs.
9/28/2013 04:24:00 AM
And here's the old drum being beaten again... a Dic trying to get the FOP.
For there being so few of you, you sure do bang a loud drum to put yourself in that chair don't ya?
Isn't there ANY copper FROM PATROL, without the fucking baggage who's just interested in doing the fucking job as it's designed to be done?
You're off the fucking street, you get a fucking take home car, you get comped quite a bit, and you get better pay than a PO does.
Isn't that fucking enough or does every potential candidate have to fucking work out their personal scam to enrich themselves off the fucking job?
As far as FOP President? I'll offer this question: Does being a good Cop / Detective make a good union president? I want someone that knows about contract law, workers rights, knows how to send out a fucking letter on time, can organize the Patrolmen in this department... THATS what I want for FOP leadership.
9/28/2013 02:04:00 PM
well said with some added points.... the chances of getting an EXPERIENCED labor attorney elected are negligible. That's the reason the lodge hires a labor attorney. What's necessary for full transparency is to have interested parties submit resumes to the FOP, along with past political affiliations and any work history involving governments of any kind or that of any of their employers as long as they've been an attorney. After a thorough vetting the prospective candidates should be posted in the newsletter for an entire month, just for any investigators out there to uncover any possible dirt.
Cleanest guy gets the job.
Also, someone who can get along down in Springfield without pissing off those who support organized labor, if any exist.
As for the rest, run a legit lodge. Investigate all contract violations made known and always work for the aggrieved member first rather than the city.
To Anonymous at 12:15. If you would get your head out of Shields ass long enough you might be able to see that your blind allegiance to this self serving asshole only fosters the cause of Mike Shields who thinks of the FOP dues paying members as a bunch of dumb chumps. Mike Shields knows how to get his name in the press and the perception is that he is doing the right thing but it couldn't be farther from the truth. Lets not forget what started this. Mike Shields had a simple task to complete, was told by numerous persons that this simple task could only be completed by him and told the members at a general meeting that he would take care of this simple task. If he did nothing more during his 3 year term nobody would know the difference. However he did not complete this one simple task. How does this qualify for standing up for the membership when you personally decided that our members do not need a pay raise for the 1st year of our contract. That's right, Mike Shields and Mike Shields alone decided that we do not need a pay raise in the first year of our contract. Forget all the other political bullshit because this is the issue. After Mike Shields made the decision that we do not need a pay raise for the first year of our contract he then lied to the entire board of Directors who then passed this lie along to the membership because they took Mike Shields at his word. Shields has lost all credibility and will never be trusted by the membership again. Remember he profiles his accomplishments in the media so it looks like he is actually doing something when in reality all he is doing is taking the members of the FOP for an expensive ride, as in money from our pockets. When is the last time you let a total stranger help himself to whats in your wallet?
AL Jaglowski, John Lipka, Dennis Dougherty, Tim Murphy,Dan Shields,Dean Angelo Jr, Fernando Flores, Rich King, Dan Stover, Michael Underwood, Mike Shields I know these trustees for sure voted with allowing Shields to hand pick his committee, but a motion was made to preserve the3 tape of the meeting and a roll call vote was taken.
Let's not forget, that the contract hasn't been settled, retro, or any other pay raise has not been determined, and nobody has lost anything. Retro, or lack of retro, is an issue manufactured by people with political ambitions. We all should consider taking a deep breath, calmimg down, and waiting to see what actually happens regarding the contract, before starting a civil war that plays right into Rahm's hands.
To12:15 am. Stop drinking the Kool Aid. The whole Huberman fiasco was staged. That's right a Shields brothers production. How did Shields a P.O. know that Huberman would even be there that day? The pension board was not going to give Huberman pension credit. The FOP wanted Shields in because Robbins turned out to be a fool. Shields and I know you will be shocked, was their guy. Just look at the lineage, Dougherty begat Geiger, Geiger begat Shields. Just ask yourself what FOP officer and attorney represented P.O.s at the pension board? Now go get your shine box.
I trust Underwood as far as I can throw him. He is a Shield suck hole and doesn't have an original thought. And rham isn't dividing us its Mike Skields who caused this divide by his incompetence. You really want to unite us Mike? Resign.
The time is here we must decertify. It's time to try something new. This shit just keeps getting worse.
As far as FOP President? I'll offer this question: Does being a good Cop / Detective make a good union president? I want someone that knows about contract law, workers rights, knows how to send out a fucking letter on time, can organize the Patrolmen in this department... THATS what I want for FOP leadership.
*Right like a Treasurer that doesn't know accounting but a financial crimes detective but a good rubber stamp for Shields
Shields hearing is on Minday Sept. 30 to be heard by his hand picked people. There is one problem here and Shields needs to have more charges placed against him. The FOP by laws are clear on this point. . The hearing must be held no sooner than 30 days after the committee is appointed.
Article II Sec 4 of the Constitution and Bylaws says the hearing on the charges will take place not less than 30 days after the accused member is served with the charges. Has it been thirty days since Cortez made the charges ? Or is Mike rushing this for some reason ?
shieds and the ones who voted him in=morons
Tool Time with Tim. Cooter has my vote!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a Sgt.. And although I'm not an FOP active member but a fair share paying member I WOULD support Tim Murphy if he ran, he is a detective out in area 2 and has worked some of the worst and high profile cases in the city and is a great detective, I can tell you I will encourage my tact team and other officers in my district to vote for him if he runs.
9/28/2013 04:24:00 AM
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Being a good copper does not mean he'll be a good guy in the office. I'd want him investigating some who harmed my family but do I want him at arbitration trying to save my job? As it is he and his buddy Danny Stover only make about half of the general meetings. I want someone with a little more commitment than that. Ortherwise he' ok.
Anonymous said...
Tim Murphy is a great detective, somehow that translates into a great union president. Faulty logic. Tim voted to let shields pick his own judge and jury, I'm not that easily impressed.
9/28/2013 01:15:00 PM
I missed that meeting. Who voted against shields picking his own judge and jury ?
Has anyone posting on this Blog actually READ the By-Laws of our Union? Article 2: Section $ States
"Charges shall be in writing and shall describe the Alleged violations. Upon reciept of such charges, the recording secretary shal immediately distribute copies of the charges to the accused member and to the Board of Directors of the Lodge. The PRESIDENT , with the advice and consent of The Board of Directors, shall appoint an impartial Special committee of three members of the Board including a chairperson, who shall act by majority vote. Section 5 states that the 3 person panel presents a recommendation to the Board on whether the evidence as a whole supports the charges.
Article 2, section 9 states: "After a hearing by the Board of Directors and in the event found guilty of such act or omission by a two/thirds vote of the Board of Directors, the member shall forfeit his membershipand all benefits of this Lodge"
SEction 5 also speaks of the possible penalties they being, :
fines, suspension,loss of privilege and or expulsion from membership in the Lodge.
THe By-Laws were followed and if Shields did anything else including the suggestions of Daughtery, Aguilar, Graham and Donahue, he could have been and I am sure would have been brought up on charges by these same people or Carlos Cortez, the Puerto Rican Mormon Chaplain.
All this nonsense including this Rule 14 like BS charge just plays into the hands of our Snake of a Mayor and it wouldnt surprise me at all to someday find out that he threw cash at some of these would be Presidents to get Mike Shields out of office as our President.
Who ever runs with the Sheilds kid is on board the Titanic. He is not a bad person on a personnel level, but heads need to roll. Loyalty to the King is great in a non-democratic society, but in an alleged democracy elected individuals need to be held accountable. Would you agree Underwood, Dougherty (Trustee) and Lipka? Obviously, if Mike unilaterally selected these individuals to the trial panel, they must be running with him. No one is going to send these individuals a life-preserver. Your $7,200 a year is over should you find Shields not guilty.
Rules are rules.......if Mike was voted that he can hand pick his 3 jurors so be it. Don't know the other 2 but Underwood is fine in my book. He is a respected Vietnam Veteran, served his time in CPD, is actively fighting for the Healthcare of retired CPD officers, and is well respected throughout active members of the CPD.
Let's see if I have this right; A candidate for FOP president, Carlos Cortes, files charges against the FOP president, and another candidate for FOP president, Kevin Graham, citing Robert's Rules of Order, wants a third candidate for FOP president, to pick the committee to hear the charges against Shields. Does anyone else think that a lot of this is political?
Has anyone posting on this Blog actually READ the By-Laws of our Union? Article 2: Section $ States
"Charges shall be in writing and shall describe the Alleged violations. Upon reciept of such charges, the recording secretary shal immediately distribute copies of the charges to the accused member and to the Board of Directors of the Lodge. The PRESIDENT , with the advice and consent of The Board of Directors, shall appoint an impartial Special committee of three members of the Board including a chairperson, who shall act by majority vote. Section 5 states that the 3 person panel presents a recommendation to the Board on whether the evidence as a whole supports the charges.
Article 2, section 9 states: "After a hearing by the Board of Directors and in the event found guilty of such act or omission by a two/thirds vote of the Board of Directors, the member shall forfeit his membershipand all benefits of this Lodge"
SEction 5 also speaks of the possible penalties they being, :
fines, suspension,loss of privilege and or expulsion from membership in the Lodge.
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Thanks for informing us of the bi law and glad you highlighted PRESIDENT, please be informed he is the accused in this matter. Also the law states it would be given to an impartial committee, well Underwood, Lipka and Daugherty (trustee) are all the accused running mates correct? Sounds very impartial! What about the 30 days? Charges given on the 23rd and the hearing on the 30th sounds like 7 days to me but again this is all up and up correct?
One and last bit of the 14 board members who approved Shields picking his own jury saw nothing wrong with this? Interpretation of any law is how you want to twist it, you cannot change the smell.
There are many impartial members that could have been selected. It does not say in the by-laws that it has to be a member of the board. How about an arbitrator?
You forgot to include Dan Gorman, Dan Shields and Danny "el jefe" Trevino and Billy Burns as Board members who voted to allow Mike Shields to pick his own Hearing Committee.
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AL Jaglowski, John Lipka, Dennis Dougherty, Tim Murphy,Dan Shields,Dean Angelo Jr, Fernando Flores, Rich King, Dan Stover, Michael Underwood, Mike Shields I know these trustees for sure voted with allowing Shields to hand pick his committee, but a motion was made to preserve the3 tape of the meeting and a roll call vote was taken.
Too bad Tim Murphy along with Dean Angelo, Jr voted to allow Shields to pick his own hearing committee. Tim and Dean Jr. are in bed with Shields. Neither of these tools gets my vote. I'm voting for Carlos Cortes!
9/28/2013 12:25:00 PM
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Thanks for your comments Carlos.
A couple of questions #1 where were you from 2007 thru 2013? What do you make one maybe two meetings in six years?
#2 Are you and Dean running on the same ticket?
If you were not running for office we could give some credit to what you are doing instead of this political grandstanding.
Retired Lt here and I have to tell you that your union is making a mockery out of you guys. I feel sorry for you. Why if you are the majority would you let a snot nose kid making Deputy Chiefs pay screw you guys? Let me get this straight. He doesn't send the letter. Lies about it. You guys lose Retro. The city gains an extra 5 million dollars. Remember your FOP President is making close to 135k, with a car and expense account. On top of it, you have a tool like McCarthy treating you like school girls and your union doesn't give a vote of no confidence. You guys need to man up. Vote Shields out and start over again. You have a year. Stop being so stupid. Get you're head out of your asses and act like police officers.
Just looked into my crystal ball. Here's what will happen. Mike's hand picked crew will find him guilty on at least one charge so they don't look like complete morons and to save themselves from criticism. They will recommend a slap on the wrist penalty to stay in his good graces.
Mike put them all in a no win situation when he put them on this panel. Shows you what he thinks of his own allies or maybe he just doesn't think at all.
Is Mike Shields the only person working at the FOP??
I am not exactly a Shields fan, but it defies logic that no one else at the FOP was aware that the "letter" had to be sent. The only logical explanation is that Shields's enemies at FOP did not tell him about the need to send the letter, thus allowing the membership to blame Shields for this failure. But those same people who allowed Shields to fail did so at the expense of all of our retro checks.
The FOP is supposed to be a team but they certainly are not acting like one.
If it were not for the promotional test in October, then I would be president of the FOP. But I am going to be a Sergeant first. I am sorry guys, find someone else for the FOP.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
AL Jaglowski, John Lipka, Dennis Dougherty, Tim Murphy,Dan Shields,Dean Angelo Jr, Fernando Flores, Rich King, Dan Stover, Michael Underwood, Mike Shields I know these trustees for sure voted with allowing Shields to hand pick his committee, but a motion was made to preserve the3 tape of the meeting and a roll call vote was taken.
9/28/2013 03:21:00 PM
Jaglowski? The guy who's on heart attack disability?
We have our own version of Rahm get your mug in the headlines a few times and your popularity goes up. Then once in office you can do whatever you want with your rubber stamp city council, oh I mean FOP board. This guy could give a fuck about your wages as evidenced by the deal he cut by not putting the letter in on time. There needs to be some fall cleaning at FOP starting with mikey.
missed that meeting. Who voted against shields picking his own judge and jury ?
9/28/2013 11:54:00 PM
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Just the guys to happen to be running against him. Why has Carlos Cortez not brought up charges against the other guys in the office, especially the guys who were there before?
This shaping up as at least a three way race. Maybe a four way race!
Get rid of a Shields. He's a moron. Wake up. He's the mayors whipping boy.
How stupid is Dean Angelo Jr. he voted with Shields while his father is running against Shields. Can he be that dumb?
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Dean Jr. is very young and dumb. But he never votes for anything at a board meeting w/o calling his dad. Half the people who voted for him thought thay were voting for his dad.
Disability Dean needs for Shields to stay in the race because he could not beat the backstabbers from the city-wide team on hs own. The CW team has a whole slew if their own problems that will come out as soon as they anounce their ticket. And there maybe a forth ticket emerging.
Shit if the retirees put together a ticket of guys who retired in the last five years they could probably win
Keep the candidates for office out of the hearing. Have Dineen, Nolan and Donahue be the trial board. They have no political gain in mind
Shields promised SWAT officers D3 pay and take home cars. If he gets voted out does that change the contractual issues? Anyone know what would happen if a new president comes in?
Funny how most of the people here probably voted the last election for Sheilds! Hopped on his hope change and "young blood" bandwagon. I have had a chance to actually talk to Dean Angelo and have found him to be a solid choice. I mean the lodge is broken! Plain and simple. Everyone is on this blog whining and moaning with no solution. I believe that Dean has real solutions for the real problems facing us. Instead of sitting here talking out of your butts talk to Dean he will answer you straight. As for the asshat picking on Dean Jr. Stay classy. The kids as hard of a worker as I've had the pleasure to work with. At some point we the members need to be the solution instead of the problem.
So who was the impartial panel that the other candidates wanted , ?
WEll they wanted Presidential Candidate Doherty to pick an impartial panel, let me see who could he have picked, certainly none of the people who voted to Follow the FOP By-laws, so that leaves let me see .....Presidential candidate
Kevin Graham or past running mates, Anna Hanley, Jim Moriarity, Rich Aguilar, or Frank DiMaria or how about Mike Shields Haters Ron Shogrun or Terry Collins.
Oh yea Bill Doherty would have picked an impartial panel all right, sure they should have circumvented the by-laws to get
such an impartial panel !!!!!!
This Panel only gathers the facts and brings them to the Full Board which then decides the innocence or guilt of the accused and the punishment by at least a 2/3 majority.
I am not exactly a Shields fan, but it defies logic that no one else at the FOP was aware that the "letter" had to be sent. The only logical explanation is that Shields's enemies at FOP did not tell him about the need to send the letter, thus allowing the membership to blame Shields for this failure. But those same people who allowed Shields to fail did so at the expense of all of our retro checks.
The FOP is supposed to be a team but they certainly are not acting like one.
Wake Up and go to a meeting. They did tell him. He spoke about it at the Feb 21, 2012 meeting. He was told, then he lied about it. You sound like the goof who said they should have walked to the mail box. Do you get walked to your assignments? Does anyone? Wake up Shields die hards your boy fucked up and then lied about it. Now he has charges against him and he picked his own committee.
https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=h02FxR9d0Ks&ns=1&o=U put a name to a face of Mike and his minions.
Well with bill and former city wide team planning a run for president, citywide would have put their boys on the committee. So really no fair way. The per as on who is bringing the charges also wants to run. He threatened to bring as ll on charges but that did not happpen. Bill and mark cut A back room deal to include carlos on their team. Funny h ow this works. Carlos brought a second set of charges to waste more time so he can say he went against mike. So really just a bunch people getting ready to run and still searving their own interests first.
to Anon at 12:30....what don't you get. He did not know about the letter. Then he was told about the letter. .No he did not send it yet. Then he was told he needed to send the letter. Then he was asked if he sent the letter. Then he said he would send the letter. Then he was asked if he sent the letter. Then, he said he sent the letter. Then we find out he did not send the letter. Then he said no one told him about the letter.
NO ONE let "him" fall behind.
Boardroom-rumor has it that those who voted to let Shields pick his own jury were not as much voting for Mikey, but more against Puppet-Masterbator Mark Donah-who, who is still trying to control of all of the FLOP puppet strings by getting Frank-‘Dunno-Anything’ DiMaria to pick the jury. This way Bill ‘Ding Dong’ Doherty, Rick ‘Really, I’m an Honest Guy’ Agu-Liar, John ‘Cut Another Hockey Check’ Cappareilli and Slick Sid ‘I didn’t Sign Those Checks’ Sid could all come back looking like the Fabulous Five, allowing the Puppet Master-Bator another 3 years of lobbying for himself after the next elections. Paaallleeeezzzeeee, Really???
Anonymous said...
Is Mike Shields the only person working at the FOP??
I am not exactly a Shields fan, but it defies logic that no one else at the FOP was aware that the "letter" had to be sent. The only logical explanation is that Shields's enemies at FOP did not tell him about the need to send the letter, thus allowing the membership to blame Shields for this failure. But those same people who allowed Shields to fail did so at the expense of all of our retro checks.
The FOP is supposed to be a team but they certainly are not acting like one.
Are you sleeping or what? He admitted that he was aware of the letter and had the intentions of sending it, and for whatever reasons he failed. When you tell someone that you are going to do something is there a need to have people follow you up until you complete the task? Shields was voted in to do a job and he failed, now we are looking to blame others for his wrong doings.
Funny how most of the people here probably voted the last election for Sheilds! Hopped on his hope change and "young blood" bandwagon. I have had a chance to actually talk to Dean Angelo and have found him to be a solid choice. I mean the lodge is broken! Plain and simple. Everyone is on this blog whining and moaning with no solution. I believe that Dean has real solutions for the real problems facing us. Instead of sitting here talking out of your butts talk to Dean he will answer you straight. As for the asshat picking on Dean Jr. Stay classy. The kids as hard of a worker as I've had the pleasure to work with. At some point we the members need to be the solution instead of the problem.
Nice try Dean, why don't you tell everyone about the wonderful dinner party you threw at the expense of the FOP members and funny no FOP member got invited. Yes Dean looks you right in the eye while he has his hand in your pocket, what a wonderful guy. The dinner is not the only thing he is involved with more to come. Do not allow the sheeps clothing to fool you he is all wolf inside.
Anonymous said...
Shields promised SWAT officers D3 pay and take home cars. If he gets voted out does that change the contractual issues? Anyone know what would happen if a new president comes in?
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Yea, SWAT will still get D3 pay and cars because it was promised. And if the new president promises more, then Swat will get more compensation. But I am getting D3 pay when I make sergeant. People like you make this place a goldmine.
to defies logic Donahue stated he had 4 conversations with Shields regarding the letter and when it was due, Aguilar stated that Shields told him the matter was taken care of, his secretary who constantly reminded him to send the letter that she prepared for his signature was fired because she knew he did not send the letter after she reminded him numerous times, he told the membership at a general meeting that he sent the letter. You don't have to be a trained investigator to know that he was not aware of the deadline and did not send the letter. You also do not have to be a trained investigator to know he lied to the membership. These are the charges against him and he is guilty of both, end of debate.
To: 9/29/2013 10:18:00 PM
"Your statement that he's as hard of a worker that I've had a pleasure to work with" sums up political soft speak.
You must work with real winners. He's not the choice for us.
Signed: From someone who has had the "pleasure" to work with him.
Those that allowed Shields to pick his own committee:
Dean Angelo,Jr, Bill Burns, Dennis Dougherty (Handpicked by Shields), Fernando Flores, Dan Gorman, Al Jaflowski (Handpicked by Shields), Rick King, John Lipka, Tim Murphy, Dan Shields, Mike Shields, Dan Stover, Danny Trevino and Mike Underwood (handpicked chairman of the committee by Shields).
The below link is an actual recording of the meeting where you can hear each member cast their vote and put a face with their votes.
Part 1 for Shields to recuse himself from the committee selection process.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EP4Ai2fy3yA
Part 2 the voting for the Shields handpicked committee.
http://youtu.be/zOQ5id2guZ4
Roberts rules of order Chapter 11 page 152 " One of the specific parliamentary duties of the Vice President is to preside when the president is unable to be at a meeting or when the president has to step down from the chair because he or she wishes to debate an issue. The Vice President also presides if the president is being censured or if a motion is being made that concerns only the president."
Lodge 7 Constitution and by laws Either the President or the Board of Directors may move for the creation of Special Committees to investigate any issue confronting the Lodge. Special Committees will be appointed by the same method used for appointing standing committees. Majority members selected by the President, minority members selected by the First Vice President. So lets get keep this straight, our president ignores Roberts Rules of Order which take affect when our Constitution & By laws are silent and he ignores the constitution & by laws after violating Roberts Rules of Order.
Certain board members are more worried about the election than doing their duties as officers of the lodge. The named board members who voted against the motion of Mike to recluse himself did themselves and the lodge a great dis-service these same members should have thought about doing what was right and put away their political questions.
As titled picking your own jury is so true, Sheilds you are so wrong in allowing yourself to pick your committee and then voting in behalf of yourself on the motion. Anytime an incident involves you personally it would be prudent and transparent to allow in this case the first vice president to pick the committee. However you did not allow this to occur. Oh this one is going to pick on me Oh that one is going to pick on me. Come On Man
Let's be realistic had you did your job this would not even be an issue, correct?
You got caught and now just like every politician you are looking to blame everyone but yourself.
We feel for you that you are being so picked on, but think of the rest of us who will feel the loss of our retro checks.
To the board members wake up and do what is right, quit defending incompetence.
Anyone that votes for Team Shields this time around,needs a psychiatric evaluation. This arrogant,corrupt snot-nosed punk needs to be voted out. He sold us out to Rahm a long time ago.
A truly jagoff move by Shields, but maybe even a bigger jagoff move by the board member who surreptitiously taped the meeting, posted it on you tube and sent you the link.
Anonymous said...
Anyone that votes for Team Shields this time around,needs a psychiatric evaluation. This arrogant,corrupt snot-nosed punk needs to be voted out. He sold us out to Rahm a long time ago.
10/02/2013 02:46:00 AM
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You are an absolute moron. Next to Karen Lewis he hates Shields more than anyone else in Chicago. He blames Shields for torpedoing the Sergeant's first contract proposal. If you want to see a picture of selling out to tiny dancer look for Jimmy Ade's picture in the encyclopedia.
So are you Aguliar, Angelo, Bella, Cortez, Dougerthy, or Graham?
Which one of you guys called the Scum-Times? Kevin/Rich?
There are no saints here. Sure Shields missed the 1st deadline and is taking the blame. But Dougherty's buddy Paul Geiger is the labor lawyer. Shields was wearing two hats at that time Pension Rep and head of the FOP. He needed help and these guys f@cked us all to ensure he failed to they could take back the FOP.
Dougherty waited until it was too late to start coming to meetings to run for office before he brought this up at a general meeting. But he covered his bases if the State Labor Board ruled in Shields favor. Dougherty had approached Mike to run on his ticket and was willing to throw DiMaria out of the office to replace him with some kid named Bailey. So much for honor among thieves.
Dougherty, Aguliar, DiMaria, and Kevin Graham (who has been on two prior contract core group negotiation teams) who turned in to Sgt Schultz right before my eyes at the last meeting when the membership turned on the backstabbers.
Carlos when are you filing charges on the rest of the board like you said you were going to do at the last general meeting. Or did you already sellout?
Carlos has probably already been made an offer by the Doherty Team
and that is why he has mysteriously gone back on his word to charge Both
Doherty and Aguilar. Wonder how Frank DiMaria feels now that he can read that he was about to be thrown under the bus by Doherty to be replaced by Jimmy Bailey, Doherty's friend. ? Lets see as I count them now there are 5 people running against Shields foe President of FOP, Bill Doherty, Kevin Graham, Carlos Cortez, Dean Angelo Sr., and the latest challenger, Tim Murphy. Every one of them stabbing each other in the back and stepping over the bodies.
And we as Chicago Police Officers let this farce go on, playing right into Rahm Emanuel's hands. And when we get a shit contract like the one just awarded to the Sgt.s , we will all point fingers at each other and blame this guy or that guy when in fact we should look in the mirror and blame that guy because he is the guy who did not have enough sense to stand together like the teachers did and
worry about the internal battles after we get our contract. If it wasn't for the "LETTER" what would your beef be with Shields except that you or one of your buddies wants his job, be honest with yourself. If you do get your retro pay , which you will, then will you admit that your actions undermining the President harmed this Lodge and our negotiations ?
Will you apologize, offer to make good on the loss of pay or benefits
will I see a check from you ? Not in this life time I bet, so I ask you all to please use your Head and stop the accusations and inflamitory reteric recognize who the real enemy is.
Anonymous said...
Funny how most of the people here probably voted the last election for Sheilds! Hopped on his hope change and "young blood" bandwagon. I have had a chance to actually talk to Dean Angelo and have found him to be a solid choice. I mean the lodge is broken! Plain and simple. Everyone is on this blog whining and moaning with no solution. I believe that Dean has real solutions for the real problems facing us. Instead of sitting here talking out of your butts talk to Dean he will answer you straight. As for the asshat picking on Dean Jr. Stay classy. The kids as hard of a worker as I've had the pleasure to work with. At some point we the members need to be the solution instead of the problem.
Solution to the problem? C'mon.
The guy hasn't been to an FOP meeting for over a decade. He hasn't paid union dues in over a decade. He's been on disability for over a decade, can't work a limited duty position in the Department, but can work a job at Calumet College while collecting a disability pension.
Now, somehow he can work a full-time job as FOP President collecting D8 pay while still collecting a disability pension?
Yeah, a real solution to the problem if you're talking about his financial problem.
Anonymous Will you apologize, offer to make good on the loss of pay or benefits
will I see a check from you ? Not in this life time I bet, so I ask you all to please use your Head and stop the accusations and inflamitory reteric recognize who the real enemy is.
10/02/2013 05:55:00 PM
Notice how Mike Shields changes from someone writing this post for him when he references Shields and the president and then in the above lines at the end he states Will you apologize, offer to make good on the loss of pay or benefits
will I see a check from you ? Not in this life time I bet,. Notices how it goes from Shields to president to "I" as in will "I will I see a check from you ? ". Make no mistakes brothers and sisters this is all about "I" as in Mike Shields and the time has come for us to rid our lodge from this distraction and send him back to a beat car for additional training.
This CLOWN is in bed with the Democrats. He needs to be removed from office before he brings additional harm to the membership
Anonymous said...
This CLOWN is in bed with the Democrats. He needs to be removed from office before he brings additional harm to the membership
10/03/2013 12:47:00 AM
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If you don't like Shield just say so but this stuff he is in bed with the Democrats is moronic. Rahm’s hate list is large but Karen Lewis, Mike Shields, and MaryAnn Ahern are on the top of it Bilbo.
Where as Rahm adores “Jim” Ade.
The Huberman deal was already decided long before the Shields press conference took place. Huberman was already told that he could not belong to our pension fund but Shields grabbed the spotlight and the credit making it look like, to anyone who watched the news that he was the savior. Truth is he is a true politician grabbing whatever credit he can even if he did not earn it. He knew that nobody else would claim it so he claimed it for himself after it was already decided.
Pure and simple Mike Shields rules some board members the same way Rahm rules our city council, with threats and promises. The vote showed who he controls. We should be thankful that there are 9 members of our elected board who stood up and did the right thing by putting the membership in front of the wishes of the dictator.
The membership is a bunch of apathetic do nothings while this guy takes money from their pockets. Sells them down the river and then lies to cover it up and he's still in office. If it was any other union the members would have his balls. If the union hall isn't packed demanding his resignation this Thursday coppers are a bunch of pussies and this guy will continue to sell us down the river.
I thought part of the Shields team platform was transparency? can't get anymore transparent than this!
The backstabbers? What about the 14 who campaigned for transparency at the FOP who allowed the president to pick his own jury and alter the minutes of the meeting to omit what he said. This is transparency and representing the members? Sounds like a bunch of self serving interest before that of the members. No backstabbing, just the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me GOD.
John Garcia says in his article that Shields missed two filing deadlines. One with the city and one with the Illinois Labor Board.
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