"Stop and Frisk" Fallout
- The recent ruling to reform the New York Police Department's controversial 'stop-and-frisk' tactic has already led to a sharp rise in shootings, new figures reveal.
In the month after the policy was ruled unconstitutional shootings spiked nearly 13 per cent while gun seizures fell almost a fifth, the figures show.
In the 28 days up to September 8 there were 140 shootings across the city, compared with 124 over the same period last year, according to NYPD statistics.
Even Ray Charles saw this one coming - and he's been dead for almost a decade.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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They too soon will have the same police department
New York can kiss their low murder rate good bye. Welcome to our world.
Stevie Wonder saw this too...
The yellow-pinky libs in NYC have finally gotten what they want...
That THUD you heard was an entire Police Department sitting on it's hands to stay the fuck out of prison...
Yep... The assholes in New Yuck said that they're going to put Policemen in PRISON if they fail to abide by the new fuckery that is the order of the day.
The whining will start very soon.
"Po-leese actin' like they don't wanna do dey job and fight all this crime up in heah!"
Heh... You know Rahm is watching this for any angle he can play against The Police here.
May our MOS brothers take care of themselves and watch for each other. The big L.E. Re-Boot is happening.
Off topic I know, but John Kass had an interesting column in Sunday's Tribune about Rahm, and how there are starting to be questions among the business and big money people about whether or not he has got what it takes to manage and run the city. It is nothing that we haven't known for some time but it is interesting reading. Like Kass or not, and I know that there are different opinions of him out there, he is one of the very few media creatures in this city and state who doesn't kiss the back sides of Obama, Daley and Emmanuel.
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble. And, because I have a positive attitude, I already bought my Sergeant's uniform. You guys just have to learn to lift yourselves up by your bootstraps. All of this means that my contract is settled.
Off topic I know SCC, but John Kass had a very interesting column in the Sunday Tribune. He said that many of the city's big business and money people are starting to wonder if Rahm has what it takes to manage and run the city. He also puts much of the blame on the "spendthrift and corrupt" Daley administration. It is nothing that we haven't known before, but it is interesting reading, and maybe it will wake up some people. I know that there are different opinions out there about Kass, but he is one of the very few media creatures in this city and state that hasn't continually kissed the back sides of Daley, Emmanuel, and Obama.
Proactive policing is a thing of the past.
Yes, but think of all the minorities that are not offended because they were stopped and frisked. It is worth it all, if people of color are no longer being stopped and frisked. Feelings are so very very important.
Frisk or not they will kill each other. Give the savages what they want. Only way to keep them away from us.
So, what? Do you really wish to continue a practice that violates the 4th Amendment? Spoken like a true cop.
You'd be surprised how less stressful being the police is when all you really have to do to get thru the day is answer your calls for service and take enforcement action only when absolutely necessary.
Nothing proactive. Nothing that generates revenue for a city that religiously holds our contract hostage and violates our contract at the drop of a hat...
and nothing the administration can really do to fuck with you if you hold a bid spot.
Sure, there are a few things some supervisors might try to pull to inconvenience you, but the vast majority won't even entertain such thoughts because they know what time it is.
Ahhhh!! Life in patrol is good if you know how to pimp the job. The goofs still sticking their necks out, jumping through hoops for numbers to make the their "bosses" look good, for the occasional early duck or for that almighty take home car are truly rolling the dice.
And whether in New York or here - or anywhere - this ain't your Daddy's police department, folks. Wake up.
Stop and Frisk Violates the 4th Amendment..I don't want my Rights Violated because certain segments of the population can't control themselves..Many want to violate the 2nd Amendment also in the name of so called crime prevention..
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
If correlation doesn't equal causation in 2nd Amendment cases, it doesn't in 4th Amendment ones either.
As someone on "Sliders" once said, the Bill of Rights isn't a Chinese menu. You don't get to pick which parts you want to obey. It's a packaged deal.
Left Coast:
We didn't say we wanted to continue it - it was never even in effect here. We merely pointed out that for all actions, there is going to be an opposite and equal reaction.
And you're supposedly "Conservative?" Not likely with that level "fly-off-the-handle" temperment.
Rahmicide defined.
Rahmicide- the premeditated and intentional murder of another person by the criminally negligent mismanagement of a political office or position.
eg: Mayor Bloombergs' liberal policies have had a direct impact on the number of gun related "Rahmicides".
Anonymous said...
Yes, but think of all the minorities that are not offended because they were stopped and frisked. It is worth it all, if people of color are no longer being stopped and frisked. Feelings are so very very important.
9/23/2013 01:07:00 AM
Real easy to joke about when you aren't one of the "offended minorities" who got stopped for some non-articulable reason. I am. I have. And I'm a cop now...and I still haven't been able to rationally explain the bogus stop I was subjected to in my college dorm, getting frisked and run in my own lobby because I "fit the description." There were probably fifty people in the lobby when they got on scene and everyone left the lobby. We got stopped waiting on the elevator...all students...all lived in the dorms. PC is pc. Suspicious behavior is suspicious behavior. But when you stop someone, you better have a better reason than he has braids and his pants were sagging. I went to school with a guy who I NEVER see outside of a suit now. Sophomore year in high school, his lips were dark from all the blunts and he had a homemade thug life tattoo across his abdomen. Senior year he was voted most likely to succeed, got into DePaul, he got two college degrees and now he works downtown for a big firm. Some thugs "look like" choir boys and some "choir boys" look like thugs. If you can't articulate more than what you think someone looks like...that's on you and keep my name out of your paper.
Good luck becoming a victim left coast. Hah.
As someone on "Sliders" once said
that 90's tv show? I didn't think anyone watched that.
To ... I fart in your general direction.
Very well said!!!!
WTF Ray Charles is dead? RIP Ray
I think a lot of people need to learn what a terry stop is
If McBluebell and the ballerino were smart, they'd meet with all the gangs (or put the word out) that they can kill as many of each other as they want...as long as they take the bodies outside the city borders.
It's a win-win. We eradicate a bunch of life-sucking thugs and McTinker can claim a lower murder rate.
....maybe it's just a win on point one.
SCC, you should know better--there's no such thing as a left-coast conservative. It's an oxymoron.
Wait until you see the new contact card order - proactive policing will be dead here.
This is part of the change we were promised nearly six years ago. Now give me an event number!
Unconstitutional shootings???? That sounds like a strange phrase to me.
This might very well be true, but lets keep in mind it is still stats, and the home of compstat.
Anonymous said...
If correlation doesn't equal causation in 2nd Amendment cases, it doesn't in 4th Amendment ones either.
As someone on "Sliders" once said, the Bill of Rights isn't a Chinese menu. You don't get to pick which parts you want to obey. It's a packaged deal.
9/23/2013 04:26:00 AM
Very true. The opponents of Stop & Frisk must remain just as vociferous as those who oppose 2nd amendment encroachments. If you want me to keep my hands off of your guns,then keep your hands off of my person!
I say we do the "Stop & get frisky" program.......
This is what happens when a decent idea is taken too ffar. If they would have just "paid a little extra attention to" the thuglife, instead of intentionally harassing every black kid who didn't pull his pants up, maybe this wouldn't have become the media shit storm that it is. At this point the news stations are selling papers on the headlines. The hell with the results of their feeding frenzy. (Like that's never happened before, right?)
I dunno, I'm NAC (not a cop)
The democratic liberals and black activists ( racists) will get what they want, an increase in crime. Who will they blame? Why the police of course.
Wake up police! Did you see what the Dolton copper got for giving two loud mouth gangbangers a swat with his pimp stick? 6 yrs in the federal pen, 6 Yrs pal. If they jumped the copper and beat him to a pulp there would be NO federal crime. There would be Simple Battery state charges from Anita's John Marshall legal eagles.
Civil rights trumps anything...sorry
It's too bad that some police officers do not realize how much real support they actually have .Down here we have no problem adding our firepower to the cops if they need us . Won't see that on CNN but we do it.
Stop and frisk is problematic for a lot of us though . What's the criteria for that? I'm a southern senior citizen. Would that meet probable cause? I think S and F is an effective tool, truly, but at what point does it cross into a Fourth Amendment issue? No one is his right mind expects a good cop to be a constitutional scholar, though I'll better they are better than the Community Organizer in Chief.
It's a thorny issue, it works ,profiling works, too but we can't admit that, so do we go in a shotgun approach? Totally random S & F on any street?
Not taking a shot at the PD, just getting things more clear in my age addled brain .
Somebody will be crying when they find that all those contact cards are civil rights violations.
Democrat liberalism as work!
We are NEXT with all this Contact Card Quota junk, just to get overtime!
Question is, the city going to throw Police under the bus in an effort to save face!
Time to dump the mandatory contact card rule to get overtime!
Oh well. Nice while it lasted.
...or #50.
Illinois has the most threatened pensions in the nation. According to MARKETWATCH...
ILLINOIS HAS THE WORST PENSION DEFICIT IN THE NATION
So what! Taxpayers "demand" Maggie Daley Park, DePaul basketball on the Lakefront, River Walk, lawsuit settlements for the Ghetto Lottery, more flower boxes, wrought iron fences, $$$ for CeaseFire and "reformed" gangbangers, welfare for generations of parasites, "Gold Braid" political hacks, ad infinitum.
To Hell with the pensions for first responders!
ESCAPE FROM CHICAGO, COOK COUNTY and ILLINOIS! Tick Tock.
These stats are the yin to McCompstats yang
Wait Ray Charles is dead?
Left Coast Conservative said...
"So what? Do you really wish to continue a practice that violates the 4th Amendment? Spoken like a true cop."
9/23/2013 01:55:00 AM
In your zeal to send a slam for speaking like a "true cop," (and you most certainly wouldn't know a "true cop" even if one booted you in the ass) you pretend that there are no far reaching implications behind the stop and frisk fallout...
Let's forget about the dancing in the streets over the Policemen who will be "made an example of" behind this...
What else do you see? Or can you?
Any Policeman worth his salt has no use for unsound and proven illegal L.E. practices.
The Police WILL adapt and govern themselves accordingly.
Heh... The public will not like what that entails.
This only serves to bring proactive Policing to a stand-still...
Yes... Policemen WILL SELFISHLY CHOOSE SELF PRESERVATION over your hurt feelings and feigned outrage any day.
Grandfatherly wisdom says to be very careful what you ask for... You just might get it.
Cooler heads should've prevailed but everybody was in such a hurry to take a whack at The Police instead of addressing the cult worship of death and willful ignorance plaguing large, democrat run urban centers.
y'all go ahead and enjoy this...
Anyone living in the confines of 019 could use a Cop or two out stopping and frisking the roving gangs of thugs late at night. Can you spell strong arm, Mr Rodgers ? I knew ya could ! Armed robber in a clown mask and hoodie ? Not funny.
Hey leave Ray Charles out of this,I loved that guys singing,and he didn't do anything to cause all this controversy and confusion with gun laws, I'm just packing,IROCC,retired and happy!
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble. And, because I have a positive attitude, I already bought my Sergeant's uniform. You guys just have to learn to lift yourselves up by your bootstraps. All of this means that my contract is settled.
9/23/2013 12:46:00 AM
Your same stupid post is getting old. Go study or something.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble. And, because I have a positive attitude, I already bought my Sergeant's uniform. You guys just have to learn to lift yourselves up by your bootstraps. All of this means that my contract is settled.
9/23/2013 12:46:00 AM
Give it up. You've milked this one enough. The irate responses have dwindled to nothing and the amused responses aren't.
Do you mean to tell me that when you slightly unhandcuff the Police......... crime goes down?
When you restrain the Police......crime goes up?
Huh.
Will the citizens of New York start yelling "Nazi State" once more if they expanded Stop and Frisk again?
Who do "they" and "we" want to have more power?
The Criminals or the Police?
I say ..... the Police.
The A.C.L.U. says the criminals.
You decide.
So, what? Do you really wish to continue a practice that violates the 4th Amendment? Spoken like a true cop.
9/23/2013 01:55:00 AM
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So what? It "violates the 4th Amendment" because one liberal lower court judge says so?
The practice is perfectly legal and constitutional. It was only ruled unconstitutional because this one judge found it had disparate impact on the usual minority groups, which is the weakest argument against a perfectly legitimate and constitutional practice since dedicated enforcement of Terry stops is bound to have a higher impact on ethnic groups in high crime areas. Just the same way the statement: "In Chicago more blacks murder each other than whites do," is not a racist smear but a fact that can be proven by statistics, not the Fibune editorial slant.
Crawl back to Capitol Fax, jerkoff.
The police do not stop crime before it happens. The Constitution forbids it.
If people continue to shoot each other and refuse to provide information, then that is too bad, and they will have to live with the crime they accept.
Hey"left coast", go back to your bunker or prep house or wherever you crawl out of to chastise us
men in Blue...let us work our "probable cause" and keep each other safe, for the next time these choir boys get stopped and frisked, for "probable cause"....oh, thats right, you say we be profiling.....indiscriminately detaining these yutes for no reason...have it your way..in Mayberry maybe?
it's the price of Freedom.
Anonymous said...
Stop and Frisk Violates the 4th Amendment..I don't want my Rights Violated because certain segments of the population can't control themselves..Many want to violate the 2nd Amendment also in the name of so called crime prevention..
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
9/23/2013 04:14:00 AM
AMEN. No really Good Copper wants to be a Gestapo Goon for their Government handlers. The Lib-Commies of Shitcago would LOVE to use its Police Officers as their own personal Goon Squad, to do their unconstitutional Dirty Work to get Crime down, along with the politically-beholden big Bosses, while handing out Entitlements to Deadbeats, no job creation for those who want to work, Food Stamps instead of paychecks, commie healthcare paid for once again only by Middle-Class Taxpayers, thus keeping the inner city Masses enslaved to the Government Dole, which breeds all the lethargy , crime, and immorality they need to thrive on, like a Vampire needing blood. Beware being used as Tools of the Regime, Officers. This is America First, not some Totalitarian Banana Republic that the Democommies are trying their best to make it into, while using you as one of their Tools.
different topic:
get ready. more "new ideas" en route...
http://www.suntimes.com/22746782-761/mayor-mccarthy-go-on-police-ride-along-in-violent-areas.html
What do you mean it was never in effect here, SCC? How do you think those glorified tac teams (among others) got those one bagger arrests all these years? They did it by making random stops in the hood, and going through people until they found contraband. Then they tailored a narrative to suit their needs. Some of this still goes on every day.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's too bad that some police officers do not realize how much real support they actually have .Down here we have no problem adding our firepower to the cops if they need us . Won't see that on CNN but we do it.
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Thanks for the offer, but we'd prefer not to have you anywhere near us in a firefight.
We like to know the only people involved in the gunfight is us, and the shithead we're trying to put down.
Thanks for the thought though.
Anonymous said...
Wait Ray Charles is dead?
9/23/2013 12:03:00 PM
Yup.... pretty sure it was an overdose.
Anonymous said...
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble. And, because I have a positive attitude, I already bought my Sergeant's uniform. You guys just have to learn to lift yourselves up by your bootstraps. All of this means that my contract is settled.
9/23/2013 12:46:00 AM
Hey, Officer Doer, I want to change my luck, will you do me? I work in new 019, meet me at Roscoe & Halsted at 2330. I'll have a new white shirt for you that I bought in 1991 but forgot to say "notify the watch commander."
Fuck your contract, just pucker up big boy.
Rahmicide- the premeditated and intentional murder of another person by the criminally negligent mismanagement of a political office or position.
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Dude, that one's gonna catch on..... we hope.
Seriously, how do we ensure this term gets national attention....somewhere the libs hang out like Huffingtonpost?
OT: Karen Jordan, abc7, we know you're just reading what some idiot is streaming on the teleprompter, but tell your writers we don't have 'cruisers' in Chicago. No matter how badly y'all want this to be New York, it isn't. We have squad cars.
p.s. To all you newswriters, we don't say perps or precincts, either.
...retired from cpd past april, real nice here in waupaca co.. whats all this i hear about problems in chicago ...
Actually I'm totally against 'stop-and-frisk' conduct.
If you are not a suspect the cops need to keep their dang paws off you, simple as that.
Now what do to about the murder rate?
Simple, no plea bargaining, no parole, no probation, no nothing. Flat jail, and without the TVs.
Add to that liberalized CCW carry for the good folks. YES CCW Chicago and NYC. Let the people defend themselves. Also add a Stand-Your-Ground and Castle doctrine set of laws.
Dodge City? Well even if that was a real possibility, which it ain't, I say a little blood on the street is needed till the Cretans learn to stop mugging people.
If there are gonna be some dead people, let it be the criminals.
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble. And, because I have a positive attitude, I already bought my Sergeant's uniform. You guys just have to learn to lift yourselves up by your bootstraps. All of this means that my contract is settled.
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Yeah ok psychopath... A simple "I'm studying for the sgts test will do. Clearly you lack confidence if you have to convince yourself and us on a blog that you are a doer. If you were a leader and a doer you would have your mind and confidence in check without having to pre purchase management books and sgts shirts. Study an pass the test. Show us how much of a doer you are when your a sgt. Not being a hater, just pointing out you seem slightly mental and lack self confidence... And lay off the tony Robbins books....
Stevie Wonder saw this too...
The yellow-pinky libs in NYC have finally gotten what they want...
That THUD you heard was an entire Police Department sitting on it's hands to stay the fuck out of prison...
Yep... The assholes in New Yuck said that they're going to put Policemen in PRISON if they fail to abide by the new fuckery that is the order of the day.
The whining will start very soon.
"Po-leese actin' like they don't wanna do dey job and fight all this crime up in heah!"
Heh... You know Rahm is watching this for any angle he can play against The Police here.
May our MOS brothers take care of themselves and watch for each other. The big L.E. Re-Boot is happening.
We should have a reboot.. 99 percent of our arrest reports are lies anyways as are the so called observations we make. The police are te biggest violators of civil rights out there... Too many hard asses out there. Feel free to reset
I'm no fan of violating the Constitution for any reason.
But you have to think a little - break it down.
Where does all this come from? SCOTUS said one violates the prohibition against unreasonable search/seizure when stopping with less that articulable reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot.
Articulable reasonable suspicion. HMMM ... that's a pretty low standard. Honest mistakes are made for sure. But now a cop can be punished criminally ? Remember, the punishment used to be exclusion of the evidence obtained.
Whole different ballgame now.
In England if the cop screws up the evidence remains admissible, but the cop is liable civilly. Here, the evidence will be excluded, AND the cop will be liable criminally? Am I getting this right?
Who in their right mind would do a Terry stop in NYC?
"Real easy to joke about when you aren't one of the "offended minorities" who got stopped for some non-articulable reason."
Let me articulate it for you - the reason you were stopped because of your color is the same reason young males are stopped because of their age and gender - they commit disproportionally far more crime.
Check it
Over the years, Illinois governors have made periodic offers to have the state police and even the Illinois National Guard assist in quelling outbreaks of gang violence in Chicago, only to get the cold shoulder from Chicago mayors.
A similar headline-grabbing proposal from now-convicted Gov. Rod Blagojevich infuriated former Mayor Richard M. Daley, who flatly rejected the offer for fear that it would become a national embarrassment.
Sure a National embarrassment WFT. So now look the fuck around , again the first step is to admit you have a problem and sure the fuck isn't a gun or gun problem now is it ? It's a GANG PROBLEM, IT'S A DRUG PROBLEM AND A CORRUPT POLITICIAN PROBLEM Now isn't it you fake Revrun's
Anonymous said...
Proactive policing is a thing of the past.
9/23/2013 12:49:00 AM
Proactive? Isnt that the shit you put on your face?
Anonymous said...
Yes, but think of all the minorities that are not offended because they were stopped and frisked. It is worth it all, if people of color are no longer being stopped and frisked. Feelings are so very very important.
9/23/2013 01:07:00 AM
Real easy to joke about when you aren't one of the "offended minorities" who got stopped for some non-articulable reason. I am. I have. And I'm a cop now...and I still haven't been able to rationally explain the bogus stop I was subjected to in my college dorm, getting frisked and run in my own lobby because I "fit the description." There were probably fifty people in the lobby when they got on scene and everyone left the lobby. We got stopped waiting on the elevator...all students...all lived in the dorms. PC is pc. Suspicious behavior is suspicious behavior. But when you stop someone, you better have a better reason than he has braids and his pants were sagging. I went to school with a guy who I NEVER see outside of a suit now. Sophomore year in high school, his lips were dark from all the blunts and he had a homemade thug life tattoo across his abdomen. Senior year he was voted most likely to succeed, got into DePaul, he got two college degrees and now he works downtown for a big firm. Some thugs "look like" choir boys and some "choir boys" look like thugs. If you can't articulate more than what you think someone looks like...that's on you and keep my name out of your paper.
9/23/2013 05:32:00 AM
Lighten Up Francis
And with the new IPhone coming out their stats are doomed.
To Offended Minority 5:32 am -
I pray to God you are not the Police, because you are an imbicile. The police do not need PC to stop someone. All the Police need is REASONABLE SUSPICION!!! Something taught to every recruit in day 1 of the academy. So your statement "Fitting the description" IS THE EXACT DEFINITION OF REASONABLE SUSPICION JERKOFF!!!!! You poor opressed minority. Whoa is me, you were stopped by the police in College!?!? BOO Fucking HOO!!! I'm sure if you really are the police you are as worthless as the pieces of shit that line our ghetto streets from dusk til dawn.
Every copper in the US should give these socialist pieces of shit what they have asked for for years now.
De-police baby, let the bodies hit the floor.
Civil rights trumps anything...sorry
Cool, I agree. Just don't be surprised when crime goes up.
Anonymous said...
This is what happens when a decent idea is taken too ffar. If they would have just "paid a little extra attention to" the thuglife, instead of intentionally harassing every black kid who didn't pull his pants up, maybe this wouldn't have become the media shit storm that it is. At this point the news stations are selling papers on the headlines. The hell with the results of their feeding frenzy. (Like that's never happened before, right?)
I dunno, I'm NAC (not a cop)
9/23/2013 08:46:00 AM
A-holes like you are pathetic. Really, you think coppers would rather take a chance at getting freaking shot to stop someone than just sit in the squad drinking coffee and listening to the Bears, or Jets or whatever? Your stupidity doesn't recognize they may have, just a little, been trying to impact the ceaseless violence that leaves 3 year olds shot?
This is the time to give assholes like this just what they want. Let the mf'ers kill themselves, their rivals, their kids, victims like this jackass...roll it up, put on the blinders, answer calls and let the bodies hit the floor.
Asshole. Yeah, stopping shitheads is SO MUCH FUN, only do it to feed my ego and power cravings.
Fool.
Only bigger fools are us if we don't just shut it down at some point and let these aholes swim in their own deadpool.
I agree that ending the stop and frisk will cause numbers to go up. The stats speak for themselves. That said, if anyone thinks that stop and frisk s the same as a terry stop, they are wrong. SOME stop and frisk might be legit Terry stops, but it would be helpful for people to closely read the Terry v Ohio decision. The officer in Terry had a set of circumstances that went past just stopping a guy because of his or her looks.
And yes I am a 26 year copper.
Sergeants test first week of December?
Thanks for the offer, but we'd prefer not to have you anywhere near us in a firefight.
We like to know the only people involved in the gunfight is us, and the shithead we're trying to put down.
Thanks for the thought though.
9/23/2013 04:35:00 PM
When "us" is just you, your partner just got blasted and it's actually a "firefight" not just Joe slinging lead over his shoulder while running away, you'll find you'll take any help you can get.
Besides, most private citizens who are willing to help are better shots than most cops anyways. If John Q Public center punches shithead with his deer rifle while I'm getting lit up, he'll never have to pay for his beer again.
America is still mostly NOT shitholes like this city.
TO 9/23/2013 05:32:00 AM
Real easy to joke about when you aren't one of the "offended minorities" who got stopped for some non-articulable reason. I am. I have. And I'm a cop now...and I still haven't been able to rationally explain the bogus stop I was subjected to in my college dorm, getting frisked and run in my own lobby because I "fit the description." There were probably fifty people in the lobby when they got on scene and everyone left the lobby. We got stopped waiting on the elevator...all students...all lived in the dorms. PC is pc. Suspicious behavior is suspicious behavior. But when you stop someone, you better have a better reason than he has braids and his pants were sagging. I went to school with a guy who I NEVER see outside of a suit now. Sophomore year in high school, his lips were dark from all the blunts and he had a homemade thug life tattoo across his abdomen. Senior year he was voted most likely to succeed, got into DePaul, he got two college degrees and now he works downtown for a big firm. Some thugs "look like" choir boys and some "choir boys" look like thugs. If you can't articulate more than what you think someone looks like...that's on you and keep my name out of your paper.
----- Well said, but a little off the mark. Police officers only need reasonable suspicion to stop or to detain a person. Fitting the description is reasonable suspicion, and although I know you didn't like it, and obviously stopping you was not the right suspect, I hope you can eventually understand why it was done. With a little more time o n the job I'm sure you will. I know that cliché is often used, and it is never a suiting thing to hear... if you're the wrong person, but from the copper's standpoint, we don't always know who the right guy is without a little investigation and that includes stopping a few people. I'm a middle-aged white male, and I've fit the description too. White guy white offender, black guy black offender. If the offender was white, you wouldn't have been stopped, and vise versa. Maybe the officers could have explained the circumstances better after finding you were not the person they were looking for, but being a cop, you should, or soon will be able to realize that we sometimes have to throw a big net and toss the good back into society. As for the dude with the blunt, well it sounds like you know where to find him. And if his lips were burnt with weed, it sound like you might have yourself a proper felony arrest, with a guy that definitely matches the description.
New York had stop, listen, frisk. If the police had reasonable suspicion they could stop someone. The police did a good job articulating why they made their stop in this case, but the court found it to be a pretext. There is a lot of media misinformation about this case. There was no 4th amendment violation, left coast just couldn't be bothered to actually read the case.
9/23/2013 05:32:00 AM
Blunts do not make your lips darker and the police do not need pc to stop you fuck wad.
Still crying to your momma about being stopped in your "dorm." Give me a fucking break guy. I lived in dorms and I never saw the police in there unless there was a disturbance of some sort. Get some self esteem little boy. You wont have to pretend you are the police and you wont be crying about some bullshit that happened to you years ago. Now go back to your momma's crib and starch up that Securitas uniform.
"Let me articulate it for you - the reason you were stopped because of your color is the same reason young males are stopped because of their age and gender - they commit disproportionally far more crime."
So, you're saying that people should be stopped SOLELY on the basis of skin color rather than behavior?
Thanks, you just made a lot of people's case AGAINST stop and frisk.
If you can't articulate more than what you think someone looks like...that's on you and keep my name out of your paper.
9/23/2013 05:32:00 AM
I am so glad you are on the job. You represent just about everything wrong with the world these days. Big chip on your shoulder because some copper had the nerve to stop and talk to you abut an incident years ago. Oh my God! Did you get some therapy to get over that tragedy.
Yeah buddy, it never happens to anyone but minorities. So, what are you doing to save the world now that you are on the job? A big fat nothing I am sure. Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
I agree that ending the stop and frisk will cause numbers to go up. The stats speak for themselves. That said, if anyone thinks that stop and frisk s the same as a terry stop, they are wrong. SOME stop and frisk might be legit Terry stops, but it would be helpful for people to closely read the Terry v Ohio decision. The officer in Terry had a set of circumstances that went past just stopping a guy because of his or her looks.
I've read Terry, you need to read Floyd v. City of New York.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Real easy to joke about when you aren't one of the "offended minorities" who got stopped for some non-articulable reason."
Let me articulate it for you - the reason you were stopped because of your color is the same reason young males are stopped because of their age and gender - they commit disproportionally far more crime.
9/23/2013 07:37:00 PM
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Come on, now. We are all on the same team here. All Americans (except the illegal Mexicans of course). But it is inherent in our nation's fabric to treat all equally. From the Irish to the blacks to the Hispanics and so on. Granted that minorities commit more crime. I am certainly no PC type, but you can't stop someone based on a probability of their race. You still need that articulable suspicion.
On some level, we are all minorities, maybe not racially, but economically or whatever. Now, when you say more minorities get locked up that can be easily justified ... but you still need that threshold evidence (other than higher probability) to conduct the initial stop.
Bloomberg is as leftist as one can get. He tried (in a very un-American way) to sidestep the Constitution to get results. He did get results, but you cannot do it that way.
OT: Karen Jordan, abc7, we know you're just reading what some idiot is streaming on the teleprompter, but tell your writers we don't have 'cruisers' in Chicago. No matter how badly y'all want this to be New York, it isn't. We have squad cars.
p.s. To all you newswriters, we don't say perps or precincts, either.
9/23/2013 04:50:00 PM
Holy Rikers Island! Why the fuck would you help or guide the media? Fuck them, every last one of them. They will fuck you faster than a skell in the tombs. Let them all get in a prowler and leave our town. Now, call a bus because you need some help.
...retired from cpd past april, real nice here in waupaca co.. whats all this i hear about problems in chicago ...
9/23/2013 04:58:00 PM
Just think of everything you do not have up there in Waupaca County?
For instance, we have TD 9.5, shanks, Barry Sotero's house, 50 city council jokers, McStreetLightAssassin, crime, graft, corruption, gangs, Mag Mile thievers, snatchers and looters, flying bullets, high taxes, CPS "students", no police manpower, rundown equipment and squads and on and on and on.
Don't you miss all those things? Come back home to feel at home!
Anonymous said...
Civil rights trumps anything...sorry
Unless you work for the city
So Police work can't be done without making unconstitutional stops? What a pity.
God forbid somebody has to use their Brain instead of plodding around like a Bull in a China shop.
I'm still waiting to hear about all these incidents where Coppers made justifiable stops, documented said stop but still wound up getting sued (paying out of their own pocket) and/or fired.
I get tired of all the moaning; "It's not like it used to be", "We can't be the PO-lice any more" etc.
Nope, you can't hand out random beatdowns anymore, can't keep 'writing paper'. If you can't change with the game, get out.
p.s. To all you newswriters, we don't say perps or precincts, either.
9/23/2013 04:50:00 PM
Holy Rikers Island! Why the fuck would you help or guide the media? Fuck them, every last one of them. They will fuck you faster than a skell in the tombs. Let them all get in a prowler and leave our town. Now, call a bus because you need some help.
9/24/2013 09:13:00 AM
Nobody knows the difference but the police, so who cares? You think the public doesn't think we use 'perps'? They think police work is what they see on tv. I absolutely love the responses I get when I tell victims that prints take approximately two years to come back on burglaries....and that I'll call them when they do....bwhahahahaha!
And that is no b.s. I am regularly assigned cases from 2010, 2011, where the prints just hit--statute of limitations have already run on a bunch. Originally assigned to dics retired or promoted.
It's also not b.s. when I tell them that I have 50 cases ahead of theirs so I won't be going out tomorrow to arrest Shanekwa for bustin' out her windshield for datin' her old man for, oh, 3-4 months....maybe longer. Since there's no general assignment dics anymore, we've got all the nonsense to deal with in addition to the usual agg batts, robberies, etc.
It's pure bliss in the d-unit. Not that patrol is any better. We're all in the same sinking boat.
Sergeants test first week of December?
9/24/2013 12:01:00 AM
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Bring it.... I already bought my white shirts.
Anonymous said...
If you can't articulate more than what you think someone looks like...that's on you and keep my name out of your paper.
9/23/2013 05:32:00 AM
I am so glad you are on the job. You represent just about everything wrong with the world these days. Big chip on your shoulder because some copper had the nerve to stop and talk to you abut an incident years ago. Oh my God! Did you get some therapy to get over that tragedy.
Yeah buddy, it never happens to anyone but minorities. So, what are you doing to save the world now that you are on the job? A big fat nothing I am sure. Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
9/24/2013 05:37:00 AM
I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I never said it only happens to "minorities." The whole argument with Stop and Frisk has centered on "minorities" and nobody else, which is what I'm responding to. In actually, that one incident I mentioned was the light one. I did get hooked up and sent to county on a domestic with no victim/witness and a resisting that never happened.
I'm realistic with cops, preachers, you name it...just like I am with dude on the street. And when black people in general (especially in custody) start running off at the mouth on my white brothers alleging all kinds of foolishness..I CHECK THEM. Nobody has ever asked me to but I do it because it's right. Too many times my white partner was trying to give dude a break and I wanted to hook 'em up and when they get on that "white boy this and that" nonsense and I tell 'em you should shut your mouth because "white boy" is trying to give you a break. I do that because perception is a killer. Some of these people need to know that plenty of white cops are out there trying to help them and not sandbag them. On the other hand a lot of cops need to understand that if you've been sandbagged before (and genuinely didn't deserve it) it is very hard to undue that trust.
As far as saving the world..lol you must think I'm a set the poor felonious children free liberal. Wrong guy here. I lock them up, that is my contribution. As I informed this armed robber that wanted to call me brother, after he was hooked, the white cop driving the car is my brother..not you. I got brothers across the color spectrum dude, from high school to the military and into college, and beyond. I will defend them as brothers and I have.
Anonymous said...
To Offended Minority 5:32 am -
I pray to God you are not the Police, because you are an imbicile. The police do not need PC to stop someone. All the Police need is REASONABLE SUSPICION!!! Something taught to every recruit in day 1 of the academy. So your statement "Fitting the description" IS THE EXACT DEFINITION OF REASONABLE SUSPICION JERKOFF!!!!! You poor opressed minority. Whoa is me, you were stopped by the police in College!?!? BOO Fucking HOO!!! I'm sure if you really are the police you are as worthless as the pieces of shit that line our ghetto streets from dusk til dawn.
9/23/2013 10:02:00 PM
You don't get it do you? There was no incident. I know the difference between RAS and PC. Let me clarify, they had no RAS. The whole lobby was filled with literally 50-100 people, 75% of them black. Everyone ran up the stairs and on the elevators to their rooms.
I had no problem when they arrived, I thought the desk called them because I was arguing with a female floormate over something stupid that happened on our floor.
I figured they were called because there were too many people in the lounge area to control. I was just going to tell them the truth, me and a friend were arguing, there is/was nothing physical happening. When they got there they said they were there for a battery with six offenders against one victim that just occurred at another dorm...across the street, where we hadn't seen anybody out all night. Our lobby had been packed all night, which was typical on latenight weekends with no parties.
By the way, imbecile has two Es.
Anonymous said...
"Real easy to joke about when you aren't one of the "offended minorities" who got stopped for some non-articulable reason."
Let me articulate it for you - the reason you were stopped because of your color is the same reason young males are stopped because of their age and gender - they commit disproportionally far more crime.
9/23/2013 07:37:00 PM
Are you proving or disproving his point?
9/23/2013 08:33:00 PM
and 9/24/2013 01:06:00 AM...
appreciate it to both of you. My name's not Francis but it was still funny.
Anonymous said...
9/23/2013 05:32:00 AM
Blunts do not make your lips darker and the police do not need pc to stop you fuck wad.
Still crying to your momma about being stopped in your "dorm." Give me a fucking break guy. I lived in dorms and I never saw the police in there unless there was a disturbance of some sort. Get some self esteem little boy. You wont have to pretend you are the police and you wont be crying about some bullshit that happened to you years ago. Now go back to your momma's crib and starch up that Securitas uniform.
9/24/2013 04:10:00 AM
Nope. I got stopped on the street before and though I was a little teenage prick at the end of the day, the coppers handled everything fine. I grew up and said to myself, man was I an asshole that day because they didn't do anything wrong.
I don't know where or when you went to school but we had cops that did walk and talks in the dorms buddy...haven't lived with mom and dad since I moved back during grad school and the only uniforms I wore that involved security have been military and police.
I agree that ending the stop and frisk will cause numbers to go up. The stats speak for themselves. That said, if anyone thinks that stop and frisk s the same as a terry stop, they are wrong. SOME stop and frisk might be legit Terry stops, but it would be helpful for people to closely read the Terry v Ohio decision. The officer in Terry had a set of circumstances that went past just stopping a guy because of his or her looks.
I've read Terry, you need to read Floyd v. City of New York.
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Ok, I read it. In the Floyd case the court said that the officers acted reasonably just as the officer in Terry acted reasonably. Read my post, I said that some stop and frisk incidents are legal, just as the Terry stop was legal. An officer making such a stop has to be able to articulate his reasons for the interaction. In Floyd, the court said that the officers, given the totality of the incident acted reasonably and that race was not a factor.
That said, using as reasonable suspicion the fact that a person is wearing droopy pants, or might have a blunt in his pocket is a 4th Amendment violation, no matter how bad we want to do it. It's all about being reasonable. Is it reasonable to believe that an officer is justified in patting someone down in a given situation? The courts said no.
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