A Good Point
As more time passes, the recent incident at the Skokie courthouse generates some questions in the comment section:
- SCC: The defense attorney approached the ASA and asked for a deal, saying he has video that doesn't match the report. ASA refused. Now, why would the ASA not view and or prep these Officers with a video she knows exists? and why did she need 5 Officers to testify to a traffic stop (for only a pound of weed)? I'm skeptical about this ASA's actions (subornation of perjury if knew false testimony was being presented? knows they leaving for defense work and wants to F*#@ some coppers?) What is the ASA's story?
Indeed. Five coppers for a traffic stop case - subpoenaed by whom?
The State? Then the State has a responsibility to review the evidence at hand (video, case reports) and prep the officers. It's probably safe to assume this wasn't done at all.
The Defense? Then the Officers better be up to date on everything written or recorded previously, and the State still has to prep them so as to not be surprised by anything that might come up. Five officers subpoenaed by the Defense ought to be a clear indication that something is up on that side of the courtroom.
And what ASA would even think about letting this case go forward after the second Officer testified to pretty much what had to be the exact same questions by Defense Counsel. We don't have a law degree, but two similar sets of questions asked of different officers would kind of point a pretty bright spotlight at what the Defense is planning. Ask for a recess on any pretext and get someone to review the tapes - you've got them there - the State had to turn them over to the Defense as part of discovery.
If the ASA was incompetent, they ought to be fired.
If the ASA knew and let it go forward, they ought to be sanctioned for subornation of perjury, disbarred, and then fired.
This doesn't excuse the Officers by any stretch of the imagination - they screwed the pooch in a way that no cop should sanction, excuse or be a part of. But the ASA has a few questions that need answering from their end, too.
The State? Then the State has a responsibility to review the evidence at hand (video, case reports) and prep the officers. It's probably safe to assume this wasn't done at all.
The Defense? Then the Officers better be up to date on everything written or recorded previously, and the State still has to prep them so as to not be surprised by anything that might come up. Five officers subpoenaed by the Defense ought to be a clear indication that something is up on that side of the courtroom.
And what ASA would even think about letting this case go forward after the second Officer testified to pretty much what had to be the exact same questions by Defense Counsel. We don't have a law degree, but two similar sets of questions asked of different officers would kind of point a pretty bright spotlight at what the Defense is planning. Ask for a recess on any pretext and get someone to review the tapes - you've got them there - the State had to turn them over to the Defense as part of discovery.
If the ASA was incompetent, they ought to be fired.
If the ASA knew and let it go forward, they ought to be sanctioned for subornation of perjury, disbarred, and then fired.
This doesn't excuse the Officers by any stretch of the imagination - they screwed the pooch in a way that no cop should sanction, excuse or be a part of. But the ASA has a few questions that need answering from their end, too.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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The defense blindsided the ASA, but do you think Alvarez office is going to file an ARDC complaint for a discovery violation for failing to disclose the existence of the video
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
Carlos Velez is making reference to a promotional test??? Now that's a joke right there!
Wtf you think the homicide dicks deal with everyday, your ass better be prepared for court and all the shit that is going to get thrown at you or be prepared to let some monster killer back onto the streets, shame on the PO for putting themselves in this situation.
Boo hoo, the ASA, the whole judicial system actually, is part of the problem. I hope they all spend time in prison. Charges should be brought up for violent offenders, not just some guy with weed.
SCC you are assuming that quote is true, then your analysis is true. We don't what you cited is true or not.
Anyone dealing with E. Gilliam-Booker in felony review is no friend to the police, she has a agenda. Good luck to anyone dealing with her
The State asks the questions, it doesn't answer them. The State is never wrong.
No doubt the ASA, at the very least, was an incompetent fucktard. And those cops? Part of me thinks they should be fired out of sheer dumbassery - you know you're on video and yet, you fuck up?
However, this being Chicago/Cook County/Illinois and me being a soon-to-be-ex taxpayer, I think nothing will happen. No one will get fired. The ASA will end up getting a slap on the wrist and still keep their license. CPD officers in question will do "light duty" or go wherever naughty cops go when they need to stay after school.
I need CU,how much painting do I have to do on your cottage? Goof
The only 2 people who know if this really happened is the defense attorney and the ASA. Where does this post get its information? This post doesn't prove it's validity.
Meanwhile, I want to know which officer testified at the preliminary and/or grand jury and what was his testimony? There obviously was a finding of probable cause/true bill, and the defendant subsequently requested to go to trial.
During the preliminary prep and during the trial prep, the police are to bring forth any and all evidence which will support their side of the story. Why didn't any of these 5 officers mention to the ASA that there could be a glenview police video tape available that could support their account of what happened? Could it be these 5 cops were secretly hoping the video would never surface?
Now let's go back to the original post comment that the ASA was told by the defense that there is a video he is going to use that will contradict all 5 officers version of facts. If the ASA did acquire said video and learn with her own eyes and ears that the video contradicts the 5 officers version of facts, do you really think the ASA should have given the 5 officers a heads up that she knows their story and preliminary testimony is bullshit? And if she did do that, now what? Should the ASA go in front of the judge in a court of law and say that she uncovered evidence that will contradict to what the arresting officers have documented and already testified to in the prelim, and that she requests to drop all charges because she wants to protect and prevent the arresting officers from perjuring themselves? Or should the ASA have told the cops "let's work together on this so that we can come up with an excuse as to why your preliminary testimony and case reports contradict this video? "
The states attorney is not your friend and is not supposed to be. The 5 officers in this case displayed a perfect example of what not to do and what could get you fired and possibly criminally charged.
If history has shown us anything, it's that the incompetent goofs and clouted don't face repercussions for their fuckups, intentional or otherwise. And those over at the CCSAO are no exception. After all, don't forget that this prestigious club was graced by the likes of Shortshanks.
The only ones in this equation who will be dragged through the mud, who will spend countless sleepless nights juggling the "woulda, shoulda, couldas" in their minds and who will ultimately have to pay the Piper are the police.
That sums it up pretty well SCC there is more to this than meets the eye.
The defense blindsided the ASA, but do you think Alvarez office is going to file an ARDC complaint for a discovery violation for failing to disclose the existence of the video
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
The Defense is under no obligation to disclose anything that they have to exonerate their client. Discovery goes one way - State discloses evidence so that the Accused can mount a proper and vigorous defense of the charges presented.
Spoton SCC,
The involved PO's should have suspected something was up when they were all subpoenaed for a BS pinch. Greed for that OT blinds people!
Someone mentioned the incident in 020 from 20 years back, it almost played out exactly the same way. It was even worse though, a parachute artist who wasn't even present at the physical arrest was dragged in and down too. Don't put yourself on paper for head credits!
Something is up with this case. Either the CCSAO PCU was involved from the get go and wanted these coppers to perjure themselves or the Feds were watching and waiting. Gross negligence by the ASA is also a possibility too. The question is, if that did occur, will the CCSAO circle the wagons and drop the hammer on the PO's to cover face?
This whole scandal is wretched and is definitely getting worse the deeper one peers into it.
SCC, you have a point, there are some questions that still need to be answered,. However, as one earlier post puts it ( 1:46:00) the officers probably had know working with suburban officers that they have cameras and mics on all the time. Hell! Where do you think the camera and mics started at... The suburbs!!
All lawyers SUCK!
Today's A.S.A.'s is tomorrows Private Defense Attorney! Taught to me by an old time Detective!
Where do you think these people go after a few years of States Attorney bullshit work!
They become the other side with all their knowledge and experience! Probably better because they know how Police work and think and know how to get their high paying clients acquitted!
All Courts is NOT about justice! It is about making more money! These lawyers do NOT care about the truth or helping the police or seeking justice! It is nothing but a chess game to these lawyers and these Officers got checkmated!
While the lawyers laugh and joke in chambers at these fools! I have seen their attitudes in the past!
Lawyers can give a crap what happens to the Officers!
From: Wise Old Timer!
Discovery violation? It wasn't part of their case in chief and it wasn't a trial. Besides, it's their video.
I'm sorry folks but this not a situation of the world being against the POlice. The solution is simple. Do not perjure yourself........
The average potential juror may think "If coppers will lie about a weed arrest why won't they lie about a homicide investigation".
OJ Simpson walked on a murder case for that very reason!
Stay safe out there! Former CPD now FED 1811
1. Anita doesn't care about the police.
2. Narcotics is full of clout babies who think they are untouchable.
Perfect storm.
The State knew that the Defense had subpoenaed the video from Glenview. The ASA never should have let them testify unprepared.
Ah, only the best and the brightest! The ASA did not commit perjury. The ASA did not tell the cops to commit perjury. The cops committed perjury at least twice. In the end, the cops committed a crime at least twice. The ASA is not the criminal. The ASA has little to (maybe nothing) to worry about.
I said it once I will say it again ASA's are not your friend. They are only looking out for their own self interest and wouldn't think twice about screwing you over to further their career. I love how they ask for a cellphone number when your on a case, are you nuts?? I wouldn't dare give out my personal cell, you need me call the dam station.
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It sounds like someone made this story up and is now trying to spread a rumor. Prove it happened.
Besides it takes alot more to prove subornation of perjury other than what this post claims.
The defense blindsided the ASA, but do you think Alvarez office is going to file an ARDC complaint for a discovery violation for failing to disclose the existence of the video
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
The Defense is under no obligation to disclose anything that they have to exonerate their client. Discovery goes one way - State discloses evidence so that the Accused can mount a proper and vigorous defense of the charges presented.
4/21/2014 04:00:00 AM
Not true Mr. Know It All. And stop hyper ventilating.
Can the PO's file an ARDC complaint if they thick the ASA did something wrong?
Regardless of any other facts, the ASA should've reviewed the tape, then prepped her wits.
None of this would've happened if she'd done that.
The CCSAO is notorious for hiring politically connected hacks who have no stomach for prosecution work.
Why are we even surprised by any of this?
Yeah.........lets blame the ASA for the officers writing bad paper and lying. Yeah.....what a B*tch that ASA is for not letting cops lie and get away with it.
Are you people insane. Whether she is just a moron or she did do it intentionally she took an oath like we did and should not be at fault. If a fellow officer is stealing money or doing wrong are we supposed to turn our back??? No. We took an Oath.
Please post the "Successful" bidders for the last transfer order. Thanks!!!
Anonymous said...
The defense blindsided the ASA, but do you think Alvarez office is going to file an ARDC complaint for a discovery violation for failing to disclose the existence of the video
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
The Defense is under no obligation to disclose anything that they have to exonerate their client. Discovery goes one way - State discloses evidence so that the Accused can mount a proper and vigorous defense of the charges presented.
4/21/2014 04:00:00 AM
That is specifically not correct.
Could we at least know the ASA name?
all these rants but know info to protect ourselves.
And it was in open court so please cover each others backs what the ASA name and branch!
Don't ever bet your life on anything you do for the city you will lose and your so called bosses will not even call you to see how you are.
I've never been to Skokie for court , but have been to 26/Cal on many occasions. It has been my experience that if the case is something like a traffic stop with narcotics or anything with a small amount of narcotics that they usually don't prep the officers very well. It's my opinion that many of these ASA's think that they are so smart and superior to the lowly P.O. that these type of cases don't require attention. I have experienced on more than one occasion that the ASA has assumed what the circumstances were with the case just by reading the front of the case file. They have then gone on to say "this was a traffic stop, right?" When it was a search warrant or a surveillence or something other than what it was , because they didn't take the time to read the reports and do their own prep on the case. Incompetence ? Yes. But, more arrogance than anything. Again , my opinion only.
The ASA has no obligation to "prep" you as a witness or "correct" your "story."
The Defense has no obligation to disclose exculpatory evidence to the State. It is the State and only the State that has the obligation to disclose all evidence to the Defense.
It is the witnesses' obligation to tell the truth. If they don't, then they commit perjury.
If the law really applied in this county, then when the ASA became aware that the officers were lying either before or after trial, the ASA should have got a direct indictment of all five officers for perjury or obstruction. Lucky for the officers, we don't live in a county that has a high regard for the law.
If things go sour,throw the other guy under the bus,is their motto,I'm not going down with this ship just cause I'm the captain,is going around these days,we live in a society of self obsorbing ,me me me me and more me,it's all about me,don't care about you or us,only me! You feel me!
Ultimately it's the officers responsibility to be properly prepared for court.. See it all the time in the jury rooms.. Instead of actually reviewing the files officers are playing games on their phone or reading the paper. And then they complain when they come back form the stand bitching about questions they didn't have a solid answer for. How about putting down the phone, putting down the newspaper and actually preparing yourself. We coppers are our own worst enemy..
When will you people learn? Skokie is the same as 26th Street. Today's defense attorney was the prosecution yesterday, connected to the ASA in some way, via law school, college, ex lover, former partner. Back room deals are committed ALL OF THE TIME. Most times the ASA will say that both sides had a conference with the judge and that certain evidence and or testimony will not be allowed....SO DO NOT BRING IT UP IN YOUR TESTIMONY! Later after the trial is over you learn from the second or third chair that such a conference never took place and the the opposing attorneys were once partners and that they decided to level the playing field on their own because if everything came out the defendant would serve more time than the two (alleged opposing) attorneys believed he/she (the defendant) deserved to serve in their (all knowing, all judging) eyes. Or the newley made private attorney is being at reviewed at their office and the former partner is helping them out.....maybe because they are looking for work in the private practice world. One must take into consideration that everthing that happens falls on the head of the officers that are involved except for the credit, that all goes to the ASAs. They are not your friends they are looking to make returnable favors for their own careers, you are a stepping stone in either ditection of their career. Cant name one I trust farther than I can throw one and neither should you. Your career is based on what you do, theirs is based on what they can make / have you say what you did or didn't do according to their needs at that particular moment and they will ALWAYS throw you under the bus. Dylan Hata
Once the PO's testified in the prelim, they can't not testify later. Once the judge learns of the possibility of the perjury, she could compel them to get on the stand again, under penalty of contempt. I wonder if the state and defense had an "in camera" with the judge without the PO's knowing.
From what I read the defense requested the video thru the freedom of information act. The video was requewsted from the Glenview PD as their sgt car camera took it.
If the ASA had the video and there were differences between the video and the report, she should have talked to the officers and see if they could explain the descrepancies.
If they couldn't dismiss the case. Happens all the time, ASA informs the judge that they are not going forward with the case.
"If the ASA was incompetent, they ought to be fired."
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, SCC, yer killin' me!
The defense blindsided the ASA, but do you think Alvarez office is going to file an ARDC complaint for a discovery violation for failing to disclose the existence of the video
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
4/21/2014 12:15:00 AM
The state turned the video over to the defense. It came from a police car.
Should the ASA have viewed the video? Yes. However, she was told by the officers involved that there was nothing on the video because they had told the Glenview copper to turn it off. The ASA's big mistake was trusting that the officers were telling her truth when they said there was nothing on the video. I will guarantee that she will never take any officer at his or her word again. Quit bashing the ASA for not protecting the officers from THEMSELVES!
The asa didn't lie in court. The sgt and the officers did. If the asa saw the police were about to perjure themselves, the moral thing to do would report it to their supervisors within t he dept or the sa office for criminal prosecution. The. Asa isn't bound to protect you. You wrote the report, you testilied. When justice is done, everybody wins. It is a dirty game, but this team brought its own dirt. Pot, meet kettle.
"They screwed the pooch in a way no cop should sanction?" Why shouldn't I sanction their actions? Because they made one mistake being they forgot their was a video which showed a minor discrepancy of probable cause I should treat them as if they are criminals? Whose side are we on people? Sometimes when I read the comments here I think I am on a anti-police blog. I might as well go to worldstarhiphop! What are people hung up on a lie about when defendant was handcuffed to strengthen probable cause for the case? Please, defense attorneys lie all day to get their clients off and this garbage system rewards them for it. Ohhh but police are held to higher standard....and what standard is that? To lose in court and risk being sued for doing your job! A system full of bullshit has made it such that we must appease past case law/strict set of rules, otherwise not guilty. Are people hung up on object of search being weed? Would it change peoples opinion if it were cocaine? How bout defendant transporting dead bodies in his vehicle or weapons of mass destruction? Would it be ok to strengthen PC then. Is it ever ok? The real police use their best judgement everyday. Accountability for a defendants crime is what they deserve otherwise no point to lock them up.
I remember when I was new on the job and an old tact guy from the 014th district said to me " remember kid, the states attorneys are not your friend. They will prosecute you in a f**king minute, because that's how they make a name and a career for themselves." And you know what, after 25 yrs on this job he was right... I'm not defending these coppers for their actions by no means but the CCSA's are not there to help you.
This happened to me in domestic court about 5 months ago. State new of a video and when showed at trial (only to the judge) the state refused to call us back in to refute the video. When we lost, oh well we lost that one. Otw back to work we saw his lawyer walking towards the Daley center and of course we got served 2weeks later. These state's attorney are not Our friends anymore. Treat them as you would the defense atty. Tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
Just because you leave a comment in all bold letters, it does not make what you are posting true. So, to whomever posted this comment: either get a law degree, or if you have one already, ask for a refund from your law school.
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The Defense is under no obligation to disclose anything that they have to exonerate their client. Discovery goes one way - State discloses evidence so that the Accused can mount a proper and vigorous defense of the charges presented.
4/21/2014 04:00:00 AM
The 60 year old felon, has to ask a question. Is all this stink based on when he was cuffed ? They put a case on me in Glenview, showing in the report I, was cuffed and under arrest at 6:20 p.m.at 6:37 I, was walking around on my cell phone talking to my brother a 30 year CPD cell records proved this.Judge Howard stated a few minutes makes no difference! If my docs could help the CPD guys, let me know.
This won't go anywhere. Much Ado on this. 2 States in The Union have made the shit the same as buying a 12 pack. From what I understand 2 more will jump on this year and the rest of The States in The Union will jump on like dominoes.
It's weed, not Blow or heron. It's funny in this day & age that this up for discussion. MayB a little sloppy at best but all this is gonna do is contribute to the paranoia of of a cop doing his job.
As far as prosecutors. Aren't they supposed 2B just a tad more diligent about protecting the coppers? "Hey, I wanna see the video?" the defense says, but this flag didn't whip in the mind to the the prosecutor?
C'mon now! Don't believe anything U here.
My best to the coppers, but think they'll B able to "Unfuck themselves."
McStupid again mouthing off about the skyrocketing violence in Chicago on WGN.
Although this time his gun law excuse is about 75% correct, in that it's the lax gun laws pertaining to incarceration of shitheads caught with guns that's the problem. That and that black "leadership" is preventing changes in the laws to ensure shitheads with guns go to jail, their preference being to protect those votes and allow those same shitheads to run free to violate again.
And still, just like the corporate welfare whores sinking this state and city into poverty with their ever increasing cut of free taxes, Springfield chooses to abide by what these fucking criminal perpetuators desire, which is the complete anarchy of their own species for their own benefit and to the detriment of the law abiding taxpayers of this state and city.
The other 25% is just more bullshit Democratic rhetoric of big brother documentation of every movement of every gun owned by law abiding citizens.
Then again, if any of MY weapons were stolen I'd report it, if nothing more for the insurance replacement.
So in the end, failure to report the theft of your weapon should carry a criminal penalty, seeing as how no law abiding citizen would want their weapons out there in the wrong hands.
Maybe this time on this one specific subject he was correct. Other than that, the rest is all his coverup bullshitting about how Emanuel and his predecessors have let this city turn to shit to pander to the criminal voting sect of the city.
You do realize that the ASA is getting raked over the coals for this, right? So, why the fuck would she intentionally allow it to happen???? Use your heads, people!
Sorry to inform but this is old news for p/o's have had issues out of Haberkorns room before. Nothing new except the fact that officers are now realizing Haberkorn and Asa assigned to her room are not your friends nor have they been. History of public corruption unit being alerted out of their room. Check previous transcripts as Haberkorn asks questions to assist private attorneys on cases they feel cpd lies on. Non objections from state on mis prepped cases designed to be tossed. As i said before FOP needs to look at previous problems from her room and plop someone in there to protect other P/o's.
I don't understand the equivocating when these guys have been caught red-handed telling lies. They should be vigorously disciplined, up to and including firing and criminal prosecution. Forget about the ASA. That's looking for a scapegoat, and it's Jesse Jackson type stuff. If these guys are dirty, they're dirty...they should be dropped like a hot potato. I'm on your side, but guys like this (and looking for ways to minimize THEIR specific wrongdoing or divert attention away from it) is what gives cops a bad name. Please, no comments about "ugh, everyone is ALWAYS against the cops". It's not true, there are those of us civilians who DO support the cops, and who CAN tell the difference between right and wrong. For better or for worse, you DID choose the job, and as the side of the law, you WILL be held to a higher standard. Isn't that something to be PROUD of, and not try to cloud with scapegoats and excuses? Any support for lawbreakers, active or passive, be they civilians or cops, it stinks. Stand up for the good guys, speak out about the bad guys, and you'll get the support of those who actually pay attention and care.
Couple of things, CPD didn't know or ask GPD if they had a camera car on scene? Or GPD didn't bother to mention of btw my dashboard camera recorded your stop,want to look at it? It would make sense to watch video then do ur paper,just saying. Now it's the ASA job to give discovery to defense,the video is part of that,it appears no CPD officers or any ASA watched it cuz um. it didn't match,they are both wrong for that,but I've had a camera car for years and any video involved with an arrest is evidence and with my cases the ASA makes sure I watch video and then when we prep we both watch it,CPD had a good stop but wrote it wrong,it's the ASA's job to know there evidence and it's clear this ASA isn't to sharp and dropped ball.
I'm retired CPD and testified in CT probably 550-600 times. Face it. These coppers FUCKED UP BIG TIME lying on stand! Was a BS lb of weed that important to loose your freedom, pension and job? Me thinks NOT. And ASA don't give a fuck. These guys perjured themselves on stand. Credibility is SHOT. One reciting exact same thing as previous mope testified to. Would think these kids have not much time OTJ. Like under 10 yrs. They better look for a new source of income. Job definitely gone along with a pension. Be lucky to stay out of joint. Guys have done time for bitch slapping a punk! Perjury is mandatory prison time! Good luck boys. You'll need it!!
CPD did it's best to cover it's informant. This POS has already been arrested for Poss w/Intent.
IF and this is a major, now almost never heard of "IF", this lawyer had any class whatsoever...he would have simply met with the ASA and compared notes to the CPD report and Glenview's video.
This incident happened last year-no doubt the delay was the POS defendant finally getting payment in full to the attorney. Hence the delay. Almost a year for a pre-lim? please...
So the 5 go to court, quickly go over the CPD report before the pre-lim, after almost a year since the simple assist to CPD, testify and that was that.
Can you tell me what you had for lunch a week ago?
Or even last Thursday? Saturday?
The States Attorney's job is to present fact for the prosecution and apparently never reviewed the video or compared it to the CPD report as it would never have gone the way this went had that happened.
I hope the kid was fronted the pound. And that his partners are scared he's gonna flip. That pound still has to get paid for...how ironic is that.
Screw the media, the backstabbers, haters and that honorable who really isn't.
Camera's or not...Write it up as it actually happened, and if you lose in PC court, you still get your slip signed. You go home at the end of the day safe, and sound. And you still own a house.
This literary license thing in CPD is out of hand. And it ruins the already shaky public trust in it's police.
Dont Ya get it..? This is a no brainer....why do we have to wade through endless blog comments about "procedure"...?
This is systemic culture of corruption...And sombody wanted this in the media...HMmmmmm...
If you cant see the "mark" in the room...you're it!
Stop making up sh*t!!! Either you have something or you don't. Too many coppers get caught up because they make stuff personal. If the bad guy gets away today,catch him tomorrow.
"The states attorney is not your friend and is not supposed to be. The 5 officers in this case displayed a perfect example of what not to do and what could get you fired and possibly criminally charged.
4/21/2014 01:46:00 AM"
The first line is absolutely true. However, the ASA has a responsibility to interview the officers and determine what their testimony will be. When inconsistancies or outright lies are discovered, the ASA either probes the inconsistancies and resolves the problems or, if they are insurmountable or found to be lies the ASA should so inform the officers and then properly SOL or otherwise drop the charges. THAT is proper procedure.
Not the ASA's problem.
Why are we grasping for straws on this one?
Wake up and don't lie about any of this shit.
Like the sign says smile your on camera
Violation of rules of discovery?
Discovery goes to the defense, the defense doesn't give anything up, it's up to the ASA to prove a case, and must share the evidence with the defendant. There's no reason for the defendant to give up exonerating evidence.
Instead of being pissed that there are cameras, don't get caught up in a rule 14 violation.
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In 2011, she and fellow detective John Korolis competed as investigators on ABC’s game show “Take the Money and Run.” Their sleuthing skills won them $100,000 that was donated to the Chicago Police Memorial Foundation.
Love topics like this on the Blog where we can all post comments about how we would never do this and this is how we would handle this. Keep in mind officers, It is always easy to have a opinion and judge when none of us were there. It is easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Love hearing how everyone here is so high and Almighty. Remember officers, its easy to comment but you all seem to think that you would never be in a situation like this until it happens. You all need to just be mindful that one day you may be in a situation on this job that makes the news and you really might not be in the wrong. I am sure if this was the case that none of us would want people making comments which could be harmful to ourselves. Be considerate of each other and please take care of one another officers. Be safe and God Bless.
I spoke w/a CCSA & she told me she was there to help us. R U suggesting that she lied to me?
They're on our side, rite?
Oh well. I guess I'll have to list my Bose 3-2-1 again. That's sux. U know what I'm suspecting? That there's actually POs that aren't my friends either, but that has 2B wrong.
No one will talk shit behind my back cuz I'm a Chicago Police Officer. All the people on my watch only want the best for me. There's young Katz in the district I work in I've never seen in a squad car. Fuck working the street. Y work the street when U can catch up on movies the whopping 4 hours that these tours last for my friends.
Phone rings? Don't answer it cuz "here comes the good part!" Shhhhh
And would believe Haberkorns's father was CPD, and a boss, think upon his retirement became Chief of Police in south suburbs. Maybe Evergreen Park
Best thing is if one guy pleads stupidity and the rest just went along with stupid's story, they didn't bother to read it. Oops, didn't mean to do that, just a dumb mistake. 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct, automatic 1st down. Sound of whistle.
Couple of things, CPD didn't know or ask GPD if they had a camera car on scene? Or GPD didn't bother to mention of btw my dashboard camera recorded your stop,want to look at it? It would make sense to watch video then do ur paper,just saying. Now it's the ASA job to give discovery to defense,the video is part of that,it appears no CPD officers or any ASA watched it cuz um. it didn't match,they are both wrong for that,but I've had a camera car for years and any video involved with an arrest is evidence and with my cases the ASA makes sure I watch video and then when we prep we both watch it,CPD had a good stop but wrote it wrong,it's the ASA's job to know there evidence and it's clear this ASA isn't to sharp and dropped ball.
4/21/2014 01:45:00 PM
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The people who dropped the ball are the police officers. If the ASA knew that the cops had committed perjury on the arrest, then the ASA had a duty to disclose it and make sure that the crime came to light. But in the end the ASA's obligation was fulfilled. You guys are so retarded that you are looking to blame this on someone else. Pick up a book once in a while. The ASA did not tell the cops to commit perjury.
The ASA does not have an obligation to go along with perjury or cover up perjury. She has a duty to disclose it. In the end, it was disclosed. Blame the retarded cops who are too dumb to think things two steps ahead. The cops are too brain dead to grasp Eight Grade Legal Concepts.
Anonymous said...
The defense blindsided the ASA, but do you think Alvarez office is going to file an ARDC complaint for a discovery violation for failing to disclose the existence of the video
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
4/21/2014 12:15:00 AM
The state turned the video over to the defense. It came from a police car.
4/21/2014 10:20:00 AM
Anything the state gets their hands on has to go to the defense. ASA asked for my file on a case and I mistakenly gave them the whole file folder, along with two year old notes of mine inside. A copy of everything inside went to the defense, who worked at Loevy & Loevy. Then I had to explain every scrap of paper in a deposition. I didn't lie anywhere but with all my informal notes they tried to hang me with them. Be careful and know exactly what you give to the state. And later it ended up in Federal Court. Remember it all goes to jagoff's lawyer. Be careful.
Sorry to inform but this is old news for p/o's have had issues out of Haberkorns room before. Nothing new except the fact that officers are now realizing Haberkorn and Asa assigned to her room are not your friends nor have they been. History of public corruption unit being alerted out of their room. Check previous transcripts as Haberkorn asks questions to assist private attorneys on cases they feel cpd lies on. Non objections from state on mis prepped cases designed to be tossed. As i said before FOP needs to look at previous problems from her room and plop someone in there to protect other P/o's.
4/21/2014 12:42:00 PM
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protect other P/Os by covering up their criminal acts?
The defense approached the ASA and asked for a deal because the video didn't match the report? Did this really happen or is one of the narcotics wonders trying to deflect blame from himself?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Could we at least know the ASA name?
4/21/2014 07:39:00 AM
What difference would it make? It is the PO's behavior in question. Treat all ASA's the same, they are not going to hang themselves out to dry, the PO's will be the one's spinning in the wind. Be very careful and totally honest with all lawyers in court. And do not ever talk to a defense attorney without an ASA present.
OT:
Was doing a thing today just off of Sedgwick and Chicago when one of those Finance guys on a bike rode up to me.
Told me that the CPM meter lease ticket writers are going after Marked CPD and CFD and CCSPD etc..vehicles for not paying the meters, and that the Lease company is ignoring a Comptroller demand that they stop doing it.
I have to admit I'm thinking about dusting off my parker book for the first time in Years now.
Anonymous said...
Please post the "Successful" bidders for the last transfer order. Thanks!!!
4/21/2014 07:34:00 AM
To many to list but the coppers calling airport being bidders and the snuck in management you left your spot overtime officially ends change day so hope u did not give up a good spot welcome no SS day off group no overtime oh my!
Can the PO's file an ARDC complaint if they thick the ASA did something wrong?
4/21/2014 07:15:00 AM
They can but nothing will be done because the ARDC will not investigate an employee of an elected office. I have personal experience with it. I tried it and received that response back from ARDC.
Re:
Anonymous said...
I'm retired CPD and testified in CT probably 550-600 times. Face it. These coppers FUCKED UP BIG TIME lying on stand! Was a BS lb of weed that important to loose your freedom, pension and job? Me thinks NOT. And ASA don't give a fuck. These guys perjured themselves on stand. Credibility is SHOT. One reciting exact same thing as previous mope testified to. Would think these kids have not much time OTJ. Like under 10 yrs. They better look for a new source of income. Job definitely gone along with a pension. Be lucky to stay out of joint. Guys have done time for bitch slapping a punk! Perjury is mandatory prison time! Good luck boys. You'll need it!!
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Are you kidding me? So You're old school and you've testified 500-600 times and perjury is mandatory huh? If only these guys had your guidance. Jesus Christ, I never saw so many doom & gloom posters. So many guys that should have been judges and lawyers. It makes me sick. Look, they fucked up and they'll loose their jobs- period. Yes, they'll get sued also and they will loose the federal lawsuit. They might even get convicted of perjury but they Will NOT go to prison.
Sincerely, retired AUSA and father of CPD.
Subornation of perjury would be more applicable to an ASA who encourages a person to provide false testimony, presumably to further a case. Look at some of the case law associated with this charge. The statute’s language, “…he or she knowingly procures or induces another” more closely fits the aforementioned statement.
Even if the ASA knew there was a problem and wanted to let some coppers hang themselves with false testimony, that’s not nice, but it is not Subornation of perjury.
These guys lied and got caught. Now they and their families will suffer. End of story.
The ASA should explain why he/she did not ask the Glenview PD to check for a copy of a tape. Short cuts and sloppy work are an unfortunate side effect of being an overworked prosecutor.
Also, don’t forget that the story was memorialized in official reports, including a sworn arrest report. Lie on a sworn arrest report and guess what, you can be charged with perjury. That’s why arrest reports have that certifying statement when you sign them, or now e-sign them. That’s why they used to be clerked. You don’t even have to testify in court to step on your dick.
F*** the ASA. If they had never lied, they wouldn't be in a jam. Stop making excuses.
Sorry SCC and those trying to throw the ASA under the bus, many of us disagree with you. CPD lied about how they obtained probable cause to recover the dope and to make the arrest. They lied on the day of the incident when they wrote their arrest and case reports. They lied in the preliminary hearing to that particular ASA and judge. They lied to the trial ASA and judge. Once glenview p.d. got subpoenaed, obviously, they coerced the glenview cops to lie to the trial ASA and judge.
The cops only got caught in a lie because the defense attorney did his job. Even if the trial ASA obtained the video and learned the cops lied, she would be under legal obligation to report their lie, and the cops would still be in trouble.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm retired CPD and testified in CT probably 550-600 times. Face it. These coppers FUCKED UP BIG TIME lying on stand! Was a BS lb of weed that important to loose your freedom, pension and job? Me thinks NOT. And ASA don't give a fuck. These guys perjured themselves on stand. Credibility is SHOT. One reciting exact same thing as previous mope testified to. Would think these kids have not much time OTJ. Like under 10 yrs. They better look for a new source of income. Job definitely gone along with a pension. Be lucky to stay out of joint. Guys have done time for bitch slapping a punk! Perjury is mandatory prison time! Good luck boys. You'll need it!!
4/21/2014 01:54:00 PM
You know, I'm retired, too, and you need to find a hobby and not comment so VEHEMENTLY on a situation you're not part of and don't know the facts of. If you weren't there, you should just suck up your opinions on mandatory prison time and the rest of it. No need to respond, ranting about how you testified perfectly and scrupulously every one of those hundreds of times you set foot on the stand. I'm sure you're the most perfect person ever to walk the earth.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
McStupid again mouthing off about the skyrocketing violence in Chicago on WGN.
Although this time his gun law excuse is about 75% correct, in that it's the lax gun laws pertaining to incarceration of shitheads caught with guns that's the problem. That and that black "leadership" is preventing changes in the laws to ensure shitheads with guns go to jail, their preference being to protect those votes and allow those same shitheads to run free to violate again.
And still, just like the corporate welfare whores sinking this state and city into poverty with their ever increasing cut of free taxes, Springfield chooses to abide by what these fucking criminal perpetuators desire, which is the complete anarchy of their own species for their own benefit and to the detriment of the law abiding taxpayers of this state and city.
The other 25% is just more bullshit Democratic rhetoric of big brother documentation of every movement of every gun owned by law abiding citizens.
Then again, if any of MY weapons were stolen I'd report it, if nothing more for the insurance replacement.
So in the end, failure to report the theft of your weapon should carry a criminal penalty, seeing as how no law abiding citizen would want their weapons out there in the wrong hands.
Maybe this time on this one specific subject he was correct. Other than that, the rest is all his coverup bullshitting about how Emanuel and his predecessors have let this city turn to shit to pander to the criminal voting sect of the city.
4/21/2014 12:06:00 PM
McEgo is not right about the need for more gun laws.
We have hundreds of gun laws. We have gun laws upon gun laws.
What we need are judges who will uphold them and incarcerate the scum, and then we need politicians who will stop pandering to the criminal element that is rapidly overtaking this city.
As someone who has testified in court hundreds of times, and never committed perjury,SCC I couldn't agree with your comments more. Was the ASA incompent or did she have another agenda?
Is this perjury or a mistake in recollection? As for police being held to a higher standars, does that mean suspects/criminals/ defendants have license to lie? Or that we don't care as much if they lie? We don't know that these cops were lying or being sloppy. Do you remember every time when exactly soemone was cuffed? I don't, but I say I don't. Years ago, soemtimes a supervisor would"suggest" how things happen to strengthen a case. Those days are gone.
Word today that President Softy Barack is going to pardon thousands of drug offenders because they were given harsh punishments for selling their poison to addicts and our kids. What kind of message does this end to our youth.
Anonymous said...
The ASA has no obligation to "prep" you as a witness or "correct" your "story."
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True.
Both Illinois and U.S. constitutions do not require ASAs to do this. Neither do the ILCS or Sup Ct rules.
In fact, nothing requires her to read her file or even wear clothes when walking into court.
The complete and utter subjugation of the masses is at hand from the oligarchy running all state governments:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/02/rare-option-forcing-congress-to-meet-change-constitution-gains-momentum/
What no one seems to be aware of is that both republiscum AND democRAT states are under complete control by corporatist scum who now control every aspect of every state government and the vast majority of local government as well.
What you will soon witness is history in the making, the complete destruction of the American way for the middle class with wholesale changes to profit no one other than the oligarchs who've destroyed this country in their quest for the almighty last dollar.
As you are seeing in all state governments you will now see come to fruition in Federal government:
The complete co-option of contract laws to favor the rich and eliminate protection for the non rich.
This started at the state level with illegal legislation to destroy pensions for the sake of corporate welfare scum. Any and all states violate their own constitution in order to drum up support for tearing apart the protections of that constitution, and the ignorant saps they dupe into supporting this idea haven't got the first clue that it's not just public employees they're after.
When this event occurs, you will see the butterfly effect ripple throughout all states and once it's done, no one will be protected by laws, contracts or any other means of protection against the oligarchy or it's bought and paid for government.
The time is at hand..... soon revolution will be the only thing we have left to take control of our own government back away from the corrupted rich who've already brought this country to it's knees.
This is the will of the oligarchy, to completely tear down everything the middle class has attained and has come to expect of it's country.
America will be turned into a slave labor country in order to "compete" with all the other slave labor countries in the world, and again the stupid will agree because they'll believe that any "job" is great, even if it only pays a dollar day.
Keep a weather eye out.... and prepare to battle against those who think they can buy the country and use it's resources against us all.
The state's attorneys were made to look like fools in the court room because of this incident. The idea that they knew this was coming and allowed it to happen is absolutely ludicrous.
"You do realize that the ASA is getting raked over the coals for this, right? So, why the fuck would she intentionally allow it to happen????"
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Who the fuck's fault is that?
Here's how you do it:
1) Read you file before hearing day.
2) Review the evidence before hearing day.
3) Compare evidence to police reports before hearing day.
4) Note any oddities or contradictions between police reports and evidence before hearing day -- remind yourself to ask your witnesses about these things when you prep them. (Note: if the defense seems to be requesting certain materials or fixated on some evidence, it means there might be what appears to be an anomaly in your case and you should devote extra attention to resolving this....before hearing day.)
5) Prep your witnesses. No, this does not mean coaching them to lie, it means finding out what witnesses intend to say on hearing day. If what they intend to say under oath is different from what their reports say or what the evidence tends to prove you need to work harder and decide whether these problems can be dealt with by eliciting testimony or filing corrective reports. If you discover that your witnesses intend to lie, dismiss the case.
6) On hearing day, put your prepped witnesses on and deal with any discrepancies openly. If it's a borderline set of facts, roll the dice but don't lie. No shame in losing a close one.
Generally, pretrial the defense does NOT need to disclose their evidence. This is because the defense has no burden of proof. There are a few exceptions, like mental health records if the defense is insanity, for example. But for the vast majority of the time the defense has no pretial disclosure requirements.
On the other hand, the prosecution must make pretrial disclosure ("discovery") of almost everything that touches on the case. The theory of this disclosure requirement is the defense can meet and test all the evidence to be presented against him.
During trial, both sides need to show evidence and court determines admissibility
Source:
23 years as a prosecutor
False. The defense did not present the disc to the asa s and ask for a deal. That is not what happened. Bad prep, Yes. But the above story did not happen that way.
The 60 year old felon, has to ask a question. Is all this stink based on when he was cuffed ? They put a case on me in Glenview, showing in the report I, was cuffed and under arrest at 6:20 p.m.at 6:37 I, was walking around on my cell phone talking to my brother a 30 year CPD cell records proved this.Judge Howard stated a few minutes makes no difference! If my docs could help the CPD guys, let me know.
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Lemme see.... cuffed at 6:20, by Glenview, 6:37 talking on cell phone. What are you looking for?
Take some Geritol and you'll feel better tomorrow...
What kind of case was it, if you can remember?
"...put a case on me....." That's funny.
And the Judge was correct. Some watches run slow, some fast, some not at all.
Did you do what you were charged with asshat?
5:25, fuck you. Fuck all the lawyers? Good plan, so maybe when you: win grievances, PRB hearings, police board hearings, court hearings, defense of officers in shootings, it's your personal charm and genius?
Fuck you. The cops were dirty. Don't blame the lawyers.
Next time you roll into roll-call half lit, mistake a screwdriver for a weapon or step on yourself, grow a pair and say "fuck the lawyers". Then we will be impressed. Otherwise, suck it bitch.
Most of these comments are laughable. The best one being;
"They made one mistake"
No, they probably made several, but got CAUGHT on this one.
The lack of ANY sort of IQ power here just baffles me beyond explanation.
No more true news USA? Wth!
Wagonman says, Why are we out in the burbs on some bs weed case. Dont we have bigger issues in the city than this. Even if he's dealing in the city, aren't they dope boys on the corner doing the shooting Nice call sarge
***"They screwed the pooch in a way no cop should sanction?" Why shouldn't I sanction their actions? Because they made one mistake being they forgot their was a video which showed a minor discrepancy of probable cause I should treat them as if they are criminals? Whose side are we on people? Sometimes when I read the comments here I think I am on a anti-police blog. I might as well go to worldstarhiphop! What are people hung up on a lie about when defendant was handcuffed to strengthen probable cause for the case? Please, defense attorneys lie all day to get their clients off and this garbage system rewards them for it. Ohhh but police are held to higher standard....and what standard is that? To lose in court and risk being sued for doing your job! A system full of bullshit has made it such that we must appease past case law/strict set of rules, otherwise not guilty. Are people hung up on object of search being weed? Would it change peoples opinion if it were cocaine? How bout defendant transporting dead bodies in his vehicle or weapons of mass destruction? Would it be ok to strengthen PC then. Is it ever ok? The real police use their best judgement everyday. Accountability for a defendants crime is what they deserve otherwise no point to lock them up. ***
Yup, ladies and gents. Here you have a classic example of situational ethics. There is no right or wrong, other than what he decides is right or wrong at any given moment. Why have laws, anyway? They're so....inconvenient.
Anonymous said...
I'm retired CPD and testified in CT probably 550-600 times. Face it. These coppers FUCKED UP BIG TIME lying on stand! Was a BS lb of weed that important to loose your freedom, pension and job? Me thinks NOT. And ASA don't give a fuck. These guys perjured themselves on stand. Credibility is SHOT. One reciting exact same thing as previous mope testified to. Would think these kids have not much time OTJ. Like under 10 yrs. They better look for a new source of income. Job definitely gone along with a pension. Be lucky to stay out of joint. Guys have done time for bitch slapping a punk! Perjury is mandatory prison time! Good luck boys. You'll need it!!
Same here brother. Us old timer' who had any sense wrote paper the way the case went down. Period.
In my 34 YOJ, I seen copper' bitch and moan when a slug was found NG. Who the fucks cares. We did our job and justivce sometimes tilted the mutts way.
Never lost an ounce of sleep when the JO walked.
Pader and his no YOJ crew are screwed for a pound of shit weed.
You hero' with shit time OTJ, change your ways getting your 0.005 grams of shit. Your Sgt' wants numbers and is just as dumb as you.
When will the CPD disband narcotics down to 75 real police who know the dope game inside and out.
Former Cmdr O'Grady, the wonder boy created this mess of clout babies. He was a shit copper too boot.
O.T. Is there a commander of Central Investigations Division of the Bureau of Detectives??
If not, who is in charge or the xo???
Anyone?
The Defense is under no obligation to disclose anything that they have to exonerate their client. Discovery goes one way - State discloses evidence so that the Accused can mount a proper and vigorous defense of the charges presented.
4/21/2014 04:00:00 AM
Do us all a favor and don't go into the law business. Discovery goes both ways genius. Basic discovery is both parties making sure there isn't any evidence being kept from the either party. You must be a house mouse.
The officers had this idiot under surveillance because they knew he was moving the stuff, and were either too lazy or too impatient to bring him down the right way. The dope game is rife with police work like this. Embarrassing. Padar is a fool.
To the poster who said that the judge in this case doesn't like the police. BULLSHIT, Cathy Haberkorn comes from a police family and is a stand up person, I know her socially and she is fair, more fair to police then to defense attorneys. But face it these cops screwed up, their Sgt. should have talked with them prior to starting the paperwork, don't blame Glenview for having the car camera on, it goes on when you activate the lights. they all should have been on the same page, but when all testify and sound exactly alike, you can smell a rat. What was the judge suppose to do, laugh it off and say come on, officers lets recess and start over, she has her job to do, again don't blame others for your mistake. they just eup and I hope they don't get fired.
"I hope the kid was fronted the pound. And that his partners are scared he's gonna flip. That pound still has to get paid for...how ironic is that."
It was most likely paid for upfront, in the burbs it's cash & carry. So you might as well shit in one hand& wish in the other, see which one fills up first tackelberry
Never expect justice in court. Guilty or innocent, truth or lies, your future often depends on the whims of a low level government employee
The defense blindsided the ASA, but do you think Alvarez office is going to file an ARDC complaint for a discovery violation for failing to disclose the existence of the video
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
4/21/2014 12:15:00 AM
The state turned the video over to the defense. It came from a police car.
State didn't turn it over to the defense. The defense requested it thru the Freedom of Information Act. The defense got the video from the Glenview PD
Do us all a favor and don't go into the law business. Discovery goes both ways genius. Basic discovery is both parties making sure there isn't any evidence being kept from the either party. You must be a house mouse.
Do everyone a favor and learn the difference between criminal and civil disclosure. In criminal cases, the defense is not obligated to inform the prosecution about shit. It's up to the State to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" the criminal case.
"My cousin Vinny is a Lawyer! He can get us out of this mess!"
Not to beat this issue to death Mr. Counsel Bold Type, esquire, but since you do know all about the difference between civil and criminal disclosure you are probably familiar with Supreme Court Rule 413. It's all in there, give it a read. They even have to disclose evidence that they only intend to use for impeachment..
There you go. Take a deep breath, and just let it go. In fact it turns out that reality is the exact opposite of what you said.
I also must commend you for knowing the burden of proof in a criminal trial, although why you bring it up when everyone else is talking about a pre-trial hearing...
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Do everyone a favor and learn the difference between criminal and civil disclosure. In criminal cases, the defense is not obligated to inform the prosecution about shit. It's up to the State to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" the criminal case.
4/21/2014 11:17:00 PM
Rule 413. Disclosure to Prosecution
(a) The Person of the Accused. Notwithstanding the initiation of judicial proceedings, and subject to constitutional limitations, a judicial officer may require the accused, among other things, to:
(i) appear in a lineup;
(ii)speak for identification by witnesses to an offense;
(iii) be fingerprinted;
(iv) pose for photographs not involving reenactment of a scene;
(v) try on articles of clothing;
(vi) permit the taking of specimens of material under his fingernails;
(vii) permit the taking of samples of his blood, hair and other materials of his body which involve no unreasonable intrusion thereof;
(viii) provide a sample of his handwriting; and
(ix) submit to a reasonable physical or medical inspection of his body.
(b) Whenever the personal appearance of the accused is required for the foregoing purposes, reasonable notice of the time and place of such appearance shall be given by the State to the accused and his counsel, who shall have the right to be present. Provision may be made for appearances for such purposes in an order admitting the accused to bail or providing for his release.
(c) Medical and Scientific Reports. Subject to constitutional limitations, the trial court shall, on written motion, require that the State be informed of, and permitted to inspect and copy or photograph, any reports or results, or testimony relative thereto, of physical or mental examinations or of scientific tests, experiments or comparisons, or any other reports or statements of experts which defense counsel has in his possession or control, including a statement of the qualifications of such experts, except that those portions of reports containing statements made by the defendant may be withheld if defense counsel does not intent to use any of the material contained in the report at a hearing or trial.
(d) Defenses. Subject to constitutional limitations and within a reasonable time after the filing of a written motion by the State, defense counsel shall inform the State of any defenses which he intends to make at a hearing or trial and shall furnish the State with the following material and information within his possession or control:
(i) the names and last known addresses of persons he intends to call as witnesses, together with their relevant written or recorded statements, including memoranda reporting or summarizing their oral statements, and record of prior criminal convictions known to him; and
(ii) any books, papers, documents, photographs, or tangible objects he intends to use as evidence or for impeachment at a hearing or trial;
(iii) and if the defendant intends to prove an alibi, specific information as to the place where he maintains he was at the time of the alleged offense.
(e) Additional Disclosure. Upon a showing of materiality, and if the request is reasonable, the court in its discretion may require disclosure to the State of relevant material and information not covered by this rule.
Again, if the Coppers did what they should have done, would they (or anyone else) be in this mess?
O.T. Is there a commander of Central Investigations Division of the Bureau of Detectives??
If not, who is in charge or the xo???
Anyone?
Cesario
Anonymous said...
A&E Network has given the greenlight to a new nonfiction series that follows a team of detectives who will re-examine controversial murder cases dogged by unresolved questions even after the verdict was handed down.
The show, whose working title is “D.O.A.,” comes from executive producer Dick Wolf (“Chicago Fire,” “Chicago P.D.”). One of its stars is a real-life Chicago cop: Belmont Area Detective Michele Wood, a homicide investigator with 13 years on the force.
Other members of this “elite team of investigators” include Detective Joe Schillaci, a 30-year veteran of the Miami PD with a background in homicide and undercover work, as well as Kevin “Spider” Gannon, a retired NYPD detective and supervisor.
With no prior knowledge of the crime or the verdict, the trio will begin their investigation at a reconstructed crime scene and will work the case, interviewing first-person players and forensic specialists, according to a network description of the series. The idea is to see if they reach the same conclusion as in the original case or if they come to a different result, possibly showing that the wrong person was put behind bars.
Wood is no stranger to being in front of the camera. Various internet bios of the Chicago-born detective describe her as an actress, fitness model, Ms. Bikini America contestant and star of a WWE commercial.
In 2011, she and fellow detective John Korolis competed as investigators on ABC’s game show “Take the Money and Run.” Their sleuthing skills won them $100,000 that was donated to the Chicago Police Memorial Foundation.
4/21/2014 03:22:00 PM
Homicide detectives in Area North? Show me one. Okay, show me two! And when you find two maybe they can start with the Strangeland murder on Rush Street in 018.
From a simple Google search:
Standard 11-2.2 Defense disclosure
(a) The defense should, within a specified and reasonable time prior to trial, disclose to the prosecution the following information and material and permit inspection, copying, testing, and photographing of disclosed documents and tangible objects:
(i) The names and addresses of all witnesses (other than the defendant) whom the defense intends to call at trial, together with all written statements of any such witness that are within the possession or control of the defense and that relate to the subject matter of the testimony of the witness. Disclosure of the identity and statements of a person who will be called for the sole purpose of impeaching a prosecution witness should not be required until after the prosecution witness has testified at trial.
(ii) Any reports or written statements made in connection with the case by experts whom the defense intends to call at trial, including the results of physical or mental examinations and of scientific tests, experiments, or comparisons that the defendant intends to offer as evidence at trial. For each such expert witness, the defense should also furnish to the prosecution a curriculum vitae and a written description of the substance of the proposed testimony of the expert, the expert’s opinion, and the underlying basis of that opinion.
(iii) Any tangible objects, including books, papers, documents, photographs, buildings, places, or any other objects, which the defense intends to introduce as evidence at trial.
(b) If the defense intends to use character, reputation, or other act evidence not relating to the defendant, the defense should notify the prosecution of that intention and of the substance of the evidence to be used.
(c) If the defense intends to rely upon a defense of alibi or insanity, the defense should notify the prosecution of that intent and of the names of the witnesses who may be called in support of that defense.
Here is a link if you would like to know more:
http://www.americanbar.org/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_discovery_blkold.html
O'Grady was another Cline suckass!
Cline loaded OCD up with a real crew of political hack favorites that went on to destroy the CPD.
Next time you roll into roll-call half lit, mistake a screwdriver for a weapon or step on yourself, grow a pair and say "fuck the lawyers". Then we will be impressed. Otherwise, suck it bitch.
a screwdriver IS a weapon you whore, the cops DID fuck up, but you guys (lawyers) are still the scum of the earth and have also ruined America, know you blow ME...
Homicide detectives in Area North? Show me one. Okay, show me two! And when you find two maybe they can start with the Strangeland murder on Rush Street in 018.
The "I am the best cop mentality" that permeates this job, you guys are pathetic....to be honest, I cant stand most of the cops ive met on this/my job in my 19 years, how disappointing...
"They screwed the pooch in a way no cop should sanction?" Why shouldn't I sanction their actions? Because they made one mistake being they forgot their was a video which showed a minor discrepancy of probable cause I should treat them as if they are criminals? Whose side are we on people? Sometimes when I read the comments here I think I am on a anti-police blog. I might as well go to worldstarhiphop! What are people hung up on a lie about when defendant was handcuffed to strengthen probable cause for the case? Please, defense attorneys lie all day to get their clients off and this garbage system rewards them for it. Ohhh but police are held to higher standard....and what standard is that? To lose in court and risk being sued for doing your job! A system full of bullshit has made it such that we must appease past case law/strict set of rules, otherwise not guilty. Are people hung up on object of search being weed? Would it change peoples opinion if it were cocaine? How bout defendant transporting dead bodies in his vehicle or weapons of mass destruction? Would it be ok to strengthen PC then. Is it ever ok? The real police use their best judgement everyday. Accountability for a defendants crime is what they deserve otherwise no point to lock them up.
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This comment is scary. Even worse is that the writer doesn't realize that. You aren't supposed to be a shit head. You're the police...the government...rules DO apply to you.
Every brand new and utterly incompetent ASA ends up in Skokie court. It is a dumping ground for screwed up judges and ASA's. I remember an ASA years ago who reeked of alcohol and got the shakes by the afternoon. He lasted two years in that condition.
They donated 10,000 of the 100,000 to CPD memorial fund. Still a nice gesture, but it wasn't the whole lot.
"Do everyone a favor and learn the difference between criminal and civil disclosure. In criminal cases, the defense is not obligated to inform the prosecution about shit. It's up to the State to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" the criminal case."
You don't know what you are talking about.
Lemme see.... cuffed at 6:20, by Glenview, 6:37 talking on cell phone. What are you looking for?
Take some Geritol and you'll feel better tomorrow...
What kind of case was it, if you can remember?
"...put a case on me....." That's funny.
And the Judge was correct. Some watches run slow, some fast, some not at all.
Did you do what you were charged with asshat?
4/21/2014 07:58:00 PM
You my friend may have 5-6 years on the job, a real good copper ! What happened here also happened to me, the difference, my attorney subpoenaed video, it was never produced. Some clocks run slow ? Apparently, so do you ! I, hope that your family gets fucked one day!
Father, Brother Uncle of the Police!
OT:
Was doing a thing today just off of Sedgwick and Chicago when one of those Finance guys on a bike rode up to me.
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Before you kissed, did you put on a condom?
I don't think many of you guys know this but Judge Haberkorn's father was a Deputy Superintendent.
2:29 AM:
What, pray tell is "the Strangeland murder on Rush St. in 018"?
Details, identity of vic, date, precise address, cause of death, etc. please:
"Is this perjury or a mistake in recollection? As for police being held to a higher standars, does that mean suspects/criminals/ defendants have license to lie? Or that we don't care as much if they lie?"
Weasel words. Suspects/criminals don't have a license to lie, but you know they're GOING to. It's up to the police to do their job, follow the law (e.g. tell the truth) and hope that the evidence is enough to put the bad guy away. If you're lying to get a conviction, you're no better than the scumbag you're trying to put away. And as far as "mistakes in recollection", if you clearly and correctly remember what happened, then you state the facts. If you don't remember what happened, or you're not sure that your memory is correct, you say "I'm not sure" or "as I recall". If you state a non-truth clearly as fact, and the video tape (that you thought didn't exist) comes out contradicting you, you either lied or you're an idiot. I'm human, I'm not perfect, but damn it, there's a difference between the good guys and the bad guys. If we lose sight of that, we've lost everything.
Arrest someone of they need to go or someone signs complaints against the individual.
You think that awesome pinch of yours is going to do anything in the big picture?
Do your job, be honest but most importantly be SMART
DO NOT LISTEN TO PROMISES MADE BY BOSSES
Lemme see.... cuffed at 6:20, by Glenview, 6:37 talking on cell phone. What are you looking for?
Take some Geritol and you'll feel better tomorrow...
What kind of case was it, if you can remember?
"...put a case on me....." That's funny.
And the Judge was correct. Some watches run slow, some fast, some not at all.
Did you do what you were charged with asshat?
4/21/2014 07:58:00 PM
You my friend may have 5-6 years on the job, a real good copper ! What happened here also happened to me, the difference, my attorney subpoenaed video, it was never produced. Some clocks run slow ? Apparently, so do you ! I, hope that your family gets fucked one day!
Father, Brother Uncle of the Police!
What's next-"Sticks and stones..."?
Know that I'm not your friend. You still never mentioned what you got locked up for asshat. I'm sure with the attitude you displayed here in your ridiculous post, that you got locked up for something stupid...oh wait-'got a case put on you' as you put it. No call from your relatives should say something about you too.
And thanks for the well wishes for my family.
Anonymous said...
"Do everyone a favor and learn the difference between criminal and civil disclosure. In criminal cases, the defense is not obligated to inform the prosecution about shit. It's up to the State to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" the criminal case."
You don't know what you are talking about.
4/22/2014 09:45:00 AM
He/she does know what they're talking about. The defense does not provide evidence to convict their client. Have you ever heard these words before: the burden of proof. Those words apply to the state.
4/21/14 .. welcome the fresh investigations from the non-political asses we have on this department.
The State, with few exceptions, are Loevy and Loevy without the millions in awards for helping violent felons continue to prey on society. Again, except for a few, lawyers are scum that have zero morals, a litany of excuses and are ruining society.
The ASA's at Skokie are all young inexperienced girls with little supervision.
Sorry to say it, but it's obvious that the cops in this one aren't the sharpest crayons in the box. Something looks very fishy from the get go, with Glenview PD making traffic stops for Chicago detectives in Glenview? WTF??? There's a lie in there already, waiting to be discovered. It didn't take a rocket scientist of a lawyer to find it, either. Just another bottom fisher. You can't swear to tell the truth, then lie on the stand. It makes us all look bad.
What's next-"Sticks and stones..."?
No copper is this stupid !
Nice chatting with you Honorable Howard !
"He/she does know what they're talking about. The defense does not provide evidence to convict their client. Have you ever heard these words before: the burden of proof. Those words apply to the state."
You're talking about two different things. Yes, burden of proof is on the state. However, if the defense is going to enter exhibits into evidence at trial, as is their prerogative, those things must be disclosed during discovery. Seriously, what do you do for a living?
What's next-"Sticks and stones..."?
No copper is this stupid !
Nice chatting with you Honorable Howard !
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Howard obviously knows what "felony case was put on you" dumbass.
Try again.
Still didn't tell us what you got locked up for? Or why none of your relatives called for you.
Sorry to say it, but it's obvious that the cops in this one aren't the sharpest crayons in the box. Something looks very fishy from the get go, with Glenview PD making traffic stops for Chicago detectives in Glenview? WTF??? There's a lie in there already, waiting to be discovered. It didn't take a rocket scientist of a lawyer to find it, either. Just another bottom fisher. You can't swear to tell the truth, then lie on the stand. It makes us all look bad.
What's with this "us" shit?
Glenview was simply assisting CPD during a Narcotics investigation, using a marked car to reduce the likeliness of a pursuit.
Thanks for your support.
Few openings in narcotics now , bye,bye pension .
Glenview PD making traffic stops for Chicago detectives in Glenview? WTF???
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Congrats on just graduating the academy!! You are gonna do great im sure
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