Simplify Weed Tickets?
A step in the right direction - but did anyone run this by the people who actually write the tickets?
- Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said Friday he will recommend changes to the failed ordinance that decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana to free officers to write more tickets.
“There are some parameters we’re lightening up, which is going to lead to the issuance of more [tickets] vs. arrests because that’s the goal,” McCarthy told aldermen at a City Council hearing on the veracity of crime statistics.
“We don’t want to put people in jail for things they don’t need to go to jail for and we don’t want to take officers off the street at the same time. It’s doesn’t make sense for management.”
Two years ago, an emotionally-torn City Council gave Chicago Police Officers the option to issue $250-to-$500 tickets to anyone caught in Chicago with 15 grams of marijuana or less instead of arresting them.
But, the more lenient treatment did not apply to those caught “openly smoking” pot or who possessed it on the grounds of a Chicago school or park. Young people under 17 and those of all ages without “proper identification” would also continue to be arrested.
Emotionally torn? Over a weed ordinance? Wow, we didn't realize that passing brainless legislation was such a burden. We guess this is just one step on the road to get aldercreatures SSI payouts for post-traumatic stress disorders.
Again, weed tickets are way more complicated than they have to be and waaaaaaay more time intensive than a simple weed arrest. This is an attempt to move away from the "time intensive" part of it, but without testing it on the streets against the clock, it's just more noise.
Again, weed tickets are way more complicated than they have to be and waaaaaaay more time intensive than a simple weed arrest. This is an attempt to move away from the "time intensive" part of it, but without testing it on the streets against the clock, it's just more noise.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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I am not going to write anov's for weed arrests. I will always make a physical arrest. I suggest they scrap the idea because it is clear that officers are not buying into the ticket idea. It is a huge pain in the ass to deal with.
“We don’t want to put people in jail for things they don’t need to go to jail for ..."
Then why have any laws against it?
Who advises these bosses? Pot smokers don't go to jail....small amounts go to station lockups and are bonded out from that station! McCarthy and Preckwinkle don't know what they are talking about.....
I guess you were not issuing enough $500 weed tickets to keep Rahm and his fifty thieves happy.
Ok who the fuck do you think these tickets will adversely affect????? If you said African Americans and Latinos you win a prize. So when we "all" white police start writing these tickets instead of making arrests that will get dismissed in court, guess what happens when all of these minorities start getting tickets and the city puts a huge financial brick on these unfortunate souls....... Us racist ass police wil stil be accused of keeping everyone down. Fuck you alderman and anyone who thought this was a good idea. Just fucking legalize it and tax the shit out of weed already!
Me and my partner can knock out a weed ANOV and inventory in 20 minutes... If it takes you waaaaayyyyy longer than an arrest, you're doing it wrong...
After PC was established my Partner for the day(I didn't know him so U know that thing where it can either go up or down)we have that kicking. In addition the Field Lt was driving toward us for back up. My Partner and I have a sack of nuggets(just a little more then 1/4 ounce, so easily personal use marihuana. Before we get out of squads and inform the Lt. what we had, my Partner said "Dude, I'll ANOV en, but I'm not locking em up." This Dude is most certainly not a lazy Copper, he just was being realistic.
Who cares about that stuff. If U, God Forbid, U get in a car accident on the job the medical community will give U strong narcotics like Norco, Vicodin, or heaven forbid something else. These R real drugs. How many Coppers "have smoked, but didn't inhale"
Have a feeling the number wood B shocking.
Let's sell it and bring a substantial amount of money made from the sale to OUR PENSIONS!
If it comes down to some people using it for personal use or that money going toward a lasting solution for our pensions I can deal w/people using it for personal use.
Can you please explain how an ANOV is "waaaaaaay more time intensive than a simple weed arrest."
ANOV - ANOV, Field Test Kit, Cannabis Affidavit, Inventory
Possible Complications:
-Dealing with the desk
-Obtaining a Test Kit
-Obtaining a Cannabis Affidavit
Arrest - Case Report, Arrest Report, Inventory, Complaints
Possible Complications
-Dealing with the desk
-Dealing with lockup
-Hospital Detail (It's possible, especially if they have to go to county for being gang affiliated)
-Approval of Case report
The first time doing the ANOV does take a little time but after you do it a few times that you'll get the hang of it. I'd rather do the arrest, but to say it's faster, nevertheless way faster, is crazy talk.
When you stop any nitwit and find the weed, sure, a ticket may be best in some situations, but have the idiot sign and attest as to what we all know is the green, leafy, stinky substance in his possession... he knows what it is, you know what it is, so let's all stop wasting all the time and money and just fix the procedure already for issuing the ANOV.
It won't matter what they do unless they drop the ID requirement. How many shitheads carry ID on them? Exactly! That's why they get locked up! But the media makes it a race thing, saying blacks are locked up more than whites. See above sentences.
Sun Times stated; McCarty is putting 150 more Police Officers and Sergeants who currently working the desk on to the streets. As a summer heat force to help with the summer violence that is expected with warm weather.
Are these fantom units, there are not many working inside and the few that are left are needed. I called a dozen numbers in the FOP Department Phone Directory a while back for 35th Street and no one answered the phone.....
I never locked someone up for weed because it was illegal. I locked them up because they needed locking up, plain and simple.
I have also never written a weed ticket and never will. It defeats the purpose for which I lock people up.
I say McCarthy is gone by Halloween. Nobody cares anymore. The BS can only go so far. Really its time for him and his high paid boys from back east to start packing and move on.
People who smoke weed are so ghetto.
Hmmm...
“We don’t want to put people in jail for things they don’t need to go to jail for and we don’t want to take officers off the street at the same time. It’s doesn’t make sense for management.”
Should have said, "We don't want to put people in jail for something that is eventually going to be legal and taxed and yes I am proud to say I have saved Rahm Emanual millions of dollars by cutting police manpower."
Ok so this is completely off topic but....
Just finished working my second day at Lollapalooza. A lot of questions/comments came up with those I was working with. First, there is an incredible amount of people there. I don't want to make a guess but let me tell you it is A LOT. The main problem that seems to occur is kids passing out from messing with drugs. Is it right?- no. But the ones getting hurt is themselves, they are not hurting others. Second, for the number of people there the amount of fights or other violent crime seems very low. I don't think I heard a single "person with a gun" call. Third, it is my understanding that Lollapalooza makes A LOT of money. Which leads me to a specific part of our discussion.... Why has the Taste turned into what it has? The short answer.... It is ran by a private company as opposed to being run by the City. I won't get into the clientele....... Bottom line is the City cannot run anything without fucking it up.
If they want us to write tickets for weed, how about stop telling the tact teams that arrests are down. They keep telling us lock more people up of course anovs won't be written.
@8/03/2014 01:30:00 AM
Took the words out of my mouth.
It's all about stopping the school-to-prison pipeline.
The community is hold Emanuel's feet to the fire before the election to decriminalize their youth.
If they want us to write tickets for weed, how about stop telling the tact teams that arrests are down. They keep telling us lock more people up of course anovs won't be written.
8/03/2014 04:05:00 AM
They keep telling us crime is down but they expect the arrests to keep going up. Then they say 5 good "touches" (contact cards) are better then one arrest. Then they complain that arrests are down. Contact cards are just proof that you stopped the guy NOT doing something illegal.
Funny
I'm the one that puts the cuffs on not the Alderthieves,Rahmulian or little Gary Football star.
All you thieves worry about clogging the fricking streets with bike lanes for phantom bikes and protecting idiots who can't cross the streets with red light cameras.
Smoke & mirrors to draw attention away from the other "issues" that CPD has...lying about crime stats, fake city council hearings, personnel shortages.
rb
No dumb ass those 150 officers put extra on the streets are called overtime extentions openings!!! There is no other magic unit appearing from the wood shop...
"So, how do you want to write this up?"
The thing I don't get is it being 0-15 grams since possession of 10-15(30) can be a felony with a previous conviction. Do now they want to take away more aggravating factors after just removing "Other" last week? I guess the "reasonable likelihood that it will keep occurring" is still there though.
I've done 2 anovs for weed so far. Just to do see how it goes. I really do not like the concept of coming into the station to do an inventory and deal with the desk without a head.
Get rid of the inventory and I'll do more. I don't need to test alcohol for an anov.
I like when all the politicians and police brass say we should spend more time on gang violence and shootings ignoring marijuana enforcement. But ignoring the blatant proven evidence that gangs, drugs, and guns are ALL interrelated. Where there is one, many times you have a connection to the other. Good job Mayor, Superintendent, Alderman, Governor! Great way to send a message that drugs are okay. Oh wait, I forgot Quinn just last week made it permissible for little kids to have hash if they have documented stress that they have school homework to do. I always was raised one must stay clean, out of trouble, and respect the laws of the land, do good deeds but I see that most of us on here are a dying breed. So sad to see our city and state in this down spiral direction where anything goes, rules don't apply, and the greed of money & power is paramount. Thank God I don't have young children, because our future looks much more depressing and empty than it does now. But I guess if everyone is high on narcotics, I guess they won't know or care.
The push to decriminalize or legalize weed is contrary to the latest medical research results. Consider the following from Dr. Stuart Gitlow, and addictions specialist on the medical faculty of Dartmouth University:
Many people know one or more people whose lives were cut short by smoking cigarettes. It's a tragedy that could be prevented.
And yet, our country stands ready to once again head down the path of accepting another addictive drug, marijuana, as legal. It is almost as if we have to burn our fingers again to be convinced that the stove is still hot.
As with tobacco, a significant number of people who try marijuana will become addicted. Research says that 1 in 6 teens who start using marijuana will become addicted.
But with marijuana, people can also experience long-term psychiatric disease, and those who use it heavily prior to age 25 are more likely than nonusers to experience a drop in IQ. Let me repeat that for emphasis: If you use marijuana heavily prior to age 25, your brain won't work anymore -- not as it did originally. Will you die young, as with tobacco? We'll have to wait a generation to find out, just as we did with tobacco. Our children will be the guinea pigs.
Why would we as a society choose to do this? If I told you I'm selling a lottery ticket where you have a chance of winning and must accept 1) a benefit that will last a few hours, 2) a permanently malfunctioning brain, 3) lifelong addiction or 4) -- the PowerBall -- psychosis, would you play? The New York Times editorial board think that risk is worth taking, as it promotes legalization of marijuana sales and use. Why would it and other marijuana proponents put the public in harm's way?
As a society, we will not make money -- we will likely lose money, just as we do with tobacco and alcohol. Taxpayers will need to pay more in order to make up for the productivity and illness-related losses that marijuana taxes won't come close to covering.
I do not subscribe to the leftists' arguments that all arrests have to be proportionate to demographic numbers. If you do the crime, you get arrested.
O.T.......
Suntimes article on July 23 by Tim Novak....."Mayor Richard M. Daley won't have to testify in City Hall’s lawsuit to break a contract the Park Grill restaurant in Millennium Park was awarded under Daley.
After reviewing affidavits on Daley’s medical condition behind closed doors, the Park Grill’s operators and lawyers agreed Wednesday to withdraw their subpoena to have the former mayor testify."
Suntimes article 3 Aug by Michael Sneed......Daley data . . .
"Former Mayor Richard Daley was spotted at new Oak Street hot spot Fig and Olive Thursday night, according to a Sneed source.
He “came for drinks at the bar, then sat for dinner and socialized at the bar after dinner. He is seemingly vibrant and in great health . . . looks great!” the source said."
WTF? Well, here is proof positive that our hospitals are doing a fantastic job. Not only should they get major kudos for keeping the homicide rate low, but they have been able to bring back former mayor Daley from the brink. It was only a mere 11 days ago did we read that the former mayor was TOO SICK to be deposed for the Park Grill debacle but now we see that he's healthy enough to travel to one of his favorite spots for drinks, dining and socializing.
Will there be a re-scheduling for his deposition?
After PC was established my Partner for the day(I didn't know him so U know that thing where it can either go up or down)we have that kicking. In addition the Field Lt was driving toward us for back up. My Partner and I have a sack of nuggets(just a little more then 1/4 ounce, so easily personal use marihuana. Before we get out of squads and inform the Lt. what we had, my Partner said "Dude, I'll ANOV en, but I'm not locking em up." This Dude is most certainly not a lazy Copper, he just was being realistic.
Who cares about that stuff. If U, God Forbid, U get in a car accident on the job the medical community will give U strong narcotics like Norco, Vicodin, or heaven forbid something else. These R real drugs. How many Coppers "have smoked, but didn't inhale"
Have a feeling the number wood B shocking.
Let's sell it and bring a substantial amount of money made from the sale to OUR PENSIONS!
If it comes down to some people using it for personal use or that money going toward a lasting solution for our pensions I can deal w/people using it for personal use.
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The above poster probably scored in the top 50 on the sergeants exam.
ANOV's are a great tool and certainly have a purpose. I do not agree in writing one for weed. The subjects we come across with weed need to go to jail. Writing ANOV's are most effective when dealing with cell phone while driving, smoking on CTA platform, etc.
Ten Years gone: were you smoking those nuggets while you were posting?
Supernintendo Garry McCartney should take an hour and a half out of his lunch and complete an AIRA report in a squad car. Time intensive and emotionally torn won't be the half of it.
I would like to see a statistic as to how many of these tickets get paid.
Like any hood rat is going to spend $250 on paying a ticket. That's $250 he could be, and will be, spending on...you guessed it - more weed.
Until there is a consequence linked to not paying the ticket, no hood rat will care if you write him a ticket. Now, seize his LINK and Obama phone (and make him ineligible to declare them "lost") as collateral until he pays the ticket, and you might get somewhere.
In the meantime the only weed arrests I will make is when they have it in the car and I can tow their ghetto sled. Nothing says "consequence" like the $$$ needed to get that wheeled roach motel out of the pound. None of them have insurance anyway, so I don't want these filthbags driving their cutlass up LSD at 80 mph with no brakes to crash into some decent person.
Law enforcement is only effective if there's a consequence. I will keep making the arrest that sticks it up their ass before I write the ticket that they wipe their ass with.
Me and my partner can knock out a weed ANOV and inventory in 20 minutes... If it takes you waaaaayyyyy longer than an arrest, you're doing it wrong...
8/03/2014 12:35:00 AM
It's not all about the anov. sometimes people, especially the shithead dope dealing gang banging drains on society need to go to jail. Me and my partner can finish all the paper work for a simple weed arrest in about 15 minutes so who cares, the rest is on the desk sergeant and lockup. Thats the problem with the new selfie police, that is what we are calling them right? they are buying into the anov bullshit way to much. Maybe it's all that time on foot patrol We are the police we take people to jail when necessary.
The citywide fact is that overall arrests are down. No matter what it's for. If you realistically want to impact crime then you have to increase arrests. Every shitbird arrested for something that is bullshit, like weed, but is against the law, is one less victim or criminal on the street. Lock 'em all up. Let God sort 'em out. If not, pretty soon we'll be issuing ANOVs for battery, trespass, theft, etc etc etc.
Emotionally torn? You should have seen the heartbreak over foi gras. It was downright gut-wrenching. Ed Burke almost dislocated his right shoulder patting himself on the back as he cleaned his fingernails.
Can you please explain how an ANOV is "waaaaaaay more time intensive than a simple weed arrest."
ANOV - ANOV, Field Test Kit, Cannabis Affidavit, Inventory
Possible Complications:
-Dealing with the desk
-Obtaining a Test Kit
-Obtaining a Cannabis Affidavit
Arrest - Case Report, Arrest Report, Inventory, Complaints
Possible Complications
-Dealing with the desk
-Dealing with lockup
-Hospital Detail (It's possible, especially if they have to go to county for being gang affiliated)
-Approval of Case report
The first time doing the ANOV does take a little time but after you do it a few times that you'll get the hang of it. I'd rather do the arrest, but to say it's faster, nevertheless way faster, is crazy talk.
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You are nuts, with a partner & all going sooth I can knock out a weed arrest in 20 minutes. It is easier.
Jeez-
Champaign has been doing this for 20+ years. It aint that big of a deal.
getting folks to pay the fine?
now that is the big deal
Sun Times stated; McCarty is putting 150 more Police Officers and Sergeants who currently working the desk on to the streets. As a summer heat force to help with the summer violence that is expected with warm weather.
Are these fantom units, there are not many working inside and the few that are left are needed. I called a dozen numbers in the FOP Department Phone Directory a while back for 35th Street and no one answered the phone.....
THis is stupid...administrative stuff still has to be completed on a daily basis to run the Department. Who is going to do it...they laid off the civilians years ago. All you POs saying that its good for these do nothing to hit the street, wait until you need your tuition refund processed, or your medical info updated, and no one there know how to do it!!!!
Old Retired Guy
This is the kind of bs you get when the bosses in this department (or any fed, state, or local) coddle to the public and politicians. You run this department like a Police Department! People break laws they get arrested. The PO who is handling the job decides what is warranted (warning, ticket, or locked up). After that occurs good bosses (leaders) look out and support the POs lawful decision. If citizens or politicians complain then they have choices. 1 is become the police and do the job (easy enough) 2 go to court and prove the offenders innocence 3 vote or run for office and change current laws and penalties. It is not very difficult.
Too many bosses have been bred under a corrupt system that has always allowed the citizens or politicians to influence their decision making. Bosses that are worried about the next promotion, how popular they are or what someone may say, causing them to not do the right thing by the PO or the Police Department. Leaders that are respected often make a decision based on right or wrong. They support their troops. Even if it's not the popular thing to do, they do it and support them, because it was lawful and it was the decision the PO made.
Just a thought that is being thrown out there.
1:30 AM , the person who stated, " I never locked anyone up for weed because it was illegal, locked hem up because they deserved to be locked up."
So far your the only real policeman leaving comments on this subject. Don't even try to explain what you mean to your peers and especially to the exempts of today's era. They will never understand, and the violence problem will thus never be solved. You are either and old timer or one of the few who kept their mouth shut and learned by listening.
Glad some of you are still out there.
Here is a waaaaaaaaay less time intensive solution: Dump it down the sewer
Possible complications:
-I might throw my back out and have to go IOD
Why go the extra mile for a city that won't fund it's pensions or honor it contracts?
Anonymous said...
Can you please explain how an ANOV is "waaaaaaay more time intensive than a simple weed arrest."
ANOV - ANOV, Field Test Kit, Cannabis Affidavit, Inventory
Possible Complications:
-Dealing with the desk
-Obtaining a Test Kit
-Obtaining a Cannabis Affidavit
Arrest - Case Report, Arrest Report, Inventory, Complaints
Possible Complications
-Dealing with the desk
-Dealing with lockup
-Hospital Detail (It's possible, especially if they have to go to county for being gang affiliated)
-Approval of Case report
The first time doing the ANOV does take a little time but after you do it a few times that you'll get the hang of it. I'd rather do the arrest, but to say it's faster, nevertheless way faster, is crazy talk.
When the weed is confiscated it stimulates business for the drug cartels as the offender now has to go back and buy more. This in turn helps fuel the violence south of the border creating a crisis that Rahm will not allowed to go to waste.
Does anyone really think that these tickets are teaching anyone a lesson so the offender "will not do that again"?
It's not much different when a smartphone gets ripped.
The corporations love it as the victim has to go out and buy a new phone or ends up paying for the rest of the service contract and gets nothing in return.
Chicago crime has become the number one industry here. Crime drives the economy. Crime creates the crisis that is used as Rahms tool to import more unaccompanied illegal immigrant-runaway wards of the state so he can stand at a podium like a dumb ass and ask "where are the parents' -- like his hands are clean in the whole operation.
The apparatchik here could just legalize and tax the weed. We could use the tax revenue. It would create jobs and we do need jobs. It would free up man power and we do need manpower.
However. legalizing the weed would take away the central command and control from certain people and their egos just can stand for it.
Where would the fear they use as a tool for more power and taxes come from as the illicit drug turfs dry up?
The drug cartels profits would take a hit and we couldn't have that.
Central America might just become a habitable place again.
THEN WHAT? WHERE WOULD WE GET ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO EXPLOIT?
Is that what you want../sarc
Gary,
Most of the people we encounter with small amounts of weed are gang bangers. Gang bangers don't get tickets. They go to jail for a few hours. - that's a few hours they are not on the street shooting at someone or being a target for some other gang banger - and if we can impound their car - bonus. Plus no I Bonds. - send them to court if we can -
I was in on the developing stages of this nonsense and the city was only thinking of the revenue that these tickets would generate. I kept saying you'll be lucky if 25% pay....they thought I was crazy! We'll 2 years later and the collecting is at 21%..... Never listened to reason if you have a gold star! They were so sure people would pay rather then have it on their record...I told them that most won't give a $hit... Ha the city is so stupid
" Just fucking legalize it and tax the shit out of weed already!"
The best idea on this post.
Anonymous said...
Me and my partner can knock out a weed ANOV and inventory in 20 minutes... If it takes you waaaaayyyyy longer than an arrest, you're doing it wrong...
8/03/2014 12:35:00 AM
Wow, my heroes.
rahm...rahm...we're doing it the right way...rahm over here...we're writing your weed ANOVs...rahm...rahm!
Anonymous said...
I am not going to write anov's for weed arrests. I will always make a physical arrest. I suggest they scrap the idea because it is clear that officers are not buying into the ticket idea. It is a huge pain in the ass to deal with.
8/03/2014 12:09:00 AM
You may always feel this way, but I would be willing to bet that in the near future ( a few years at most) you will not have a choice, but will be mandated to write citations. Marijuana possession will be de-criminalized in Illinois.Not legal, but not a criminal offense.
How much revenue was collected from the weed tickets ,
How many never show up for court , another paper tiger to allow lacks to break the law .
Block club signs on display in tribune article , that speaks volumes about the one parent , no family discipline or love in certain communities . No drug dealing , no loitering g , littering , loud music . Things most of us learn from our parents at age 2
Anonymous said...
I say McCarthy is gone by Halloween. Nobody cares anymore. The BS can only go so far. Really its time for him and his high paid boys from back east to start packing and move on.
8/03/2014 01:35:00 AM
Keep wishing, but it will not happen. Bratten (mentor of our super) is the center of attention in NY and he still touts compstat and broken windows. And, statistaically, crime is down in Chicago. So, on what grounds does the mayor let him go?
So according to the municipal code if you're arrested for drinking on the public way you can be fined $100-$500 or 6 MONTHS IN JAIL! But less then 15 grams of weed its just a $250-$500 fine. That makes sense, right? And don't get caught rockin a piss in public it's 5-10 days in jail
OT: McFederalOverSight was hired not as a police superintendent, but as a minister if propaganda.
His job is to drill into the voters heads that crime is down, guns are bad, and no additional police officers are needed. Any good minister of propaganda stays on message and hammers away, truth be damned.
I agree with the poster about, " attesting" to the fact they do posses weed. We don't inventory alcohol, but we do write ANOV's for it. Soooo, just have them attest to it, write it, and have a disposal can in the station. Eliminates a whole useless process that is time consuming and costly.
3:22am. Too many hands in the cookie jar. Everyone wants a piece of the action.
TWENTY and OUT said...
Ok so this is completely off topic but....
Just finished working my second day at Lollapalooza. A lot of questions/comments came up with those I was working with. First, there is an incredible amount of people there. I don't want to make a guess but let me tell you it is A LOT. The main problem that seems to occur is kids passing out from messing with drugs. Is it right?- no. But the ones getting hurt is themselves, they are not hurting others. Second, for the number of people there the amount of fights or other violent crime seems very low. I don't think I heard a single "person with a gun" call. Third, it is my understanding that Lollapalooza makes A LOT of money. Which leads me to a specific part of our discussion.... Why has the Taste turned into what it has? The short answer.... It is ran by a private company as opposed to being run by the City. I won't get into the clientele....... Bottom line is the City cannot run anything without fucking it up.
You missed the most important point. Lollapalooza charges an admission, the Taste doesn't. That means any and all fools can come done for free and screw up the place. Thats the difference, the admission charge.
I brought in weed after issuing an ANOV to inventory, and guess what we couldn't find? Needless to say, after looking for a kit for an hour, we eventually created a case report and explained the scenario. The bosses can spout off about how they are creating ways to make the job more efficient for officers, but once reality sets in, they are only making things more difficult. If they want to help the efficiency of the department, start with the little stuff; working vehicles and PDT's.
(OT) airports on alert to look for deadly Ebola virus!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/08/01/area-airports-on-alert-to-look-for-passengers-with-ebola-symptoms/
Yep ok but not in Chicago, please tell us the handful of coppers working what look for!
At least on a south/west side if you give a dude choice between $250 ticket or arrest, he'll almost always will ask for court date to have the judge dismiss the charges.
You just inconvenience him for an hour or two. Only pothead yuppies are stupid enough to pay.
Can't write ANOV's in 019. They haven't had any books in 3 weeks and won't be giving any out either. Stat goofs.
Here's an idea, just legalize the stuff. We got along for most of our country's existence with weed being perfectly legal and the Republic didn't founder.
Maybe then we can free up some officers for things that matter.
The ANOVs are not hard to do, it takes longer to identify them through CLEAR with these shitty pdts
When do you start the clock?
Me and my partner can knock out a weed ANOV and inventory in 20 minutes... If it takes you waaaaayyyyy longer than an arrest, you're doing it wrong...
Union should match or beat the percentages on this agreed contract:
July 1,2012 2.00%
January 1,2013 2.00%
January 1,2014 2.00%
January 1,2015 1.00%
January 1,2016 1.00%
Not going to do it
The entire matter is not arrest VS ANOV it's revenue over cost. It will soon be the norm to issue ANOVS for other simple criminal matters like disorderly conduct, simple assault and other low violence or goofball offenses. You won't have to utilize manpower hours, sandwiches and court time AND they can make a few dollars along the way. It's not about putting pookie in the pokey it's about the money grab aspect of municipal administration. Their mindset-- never ever lock a man up when a politician can profit from his crime.
I can complete a weed arrest in 20 minutes. It's a no brainer. And what ever happened to the idea of taking gang bangers off the street and sending them to county for infractions such as possessing cannabis? This type of arrest is a valuable tool. I guess too many street gangs have ties to the council members nowadays. This ordinance really shines a direct light on corruption. The thugs now have the power.
Off Topic but of Interest.
Pfleger was on the news the other day calling for Cardinal George to declare all Chicago Archdiocese Catholic Churches GUN FREE ZONES.
When leaving mas this morning I had a short discussion with the Pastor of our Catholic Church. I told him I was thinking rather un-Christian thoughts about Father Pfleger and his trying to dictate to the Cardinal to declare all of our Catholic Churches GUN FREE ZONES and mark them on their front doors.
As always this (expletive deleted) and the Democommunists are trying to disarm the wrong people.
I didn't mention to the Pastor I was a P.O. but if there was an incident I would put myself between armed assailant and my family the rest of the parishioners. If there was such a ban imposed I said I would probably move our worship (implied $) to the nearest parish outside Chicago.
The Pastor responded that he didn't think that such a ban as going to happen and he wasn't going to enforce it anyway.
I thanked him and reminded him of the large stained glass window of our church that is almost every Catholic Church. It features St. Michel the Archangel with a fiery sword, a firearm.
Sorry no ANOV's from me.... It's my job to complicate these assholes lives as much as possible. Plus there's no money in it for me (court).. I gotta getz minezzz$$$
With all the police on the Southside, the Northsiders are in "police desserts".
It won't matter what they do unless they drop the ID requirement. How many shitheads carry ID on them? Exactly! That's why they get locked up! But the media makes it a race thing, saying blacks are locked up more than whites. See above sentences.
8/03/2014 01:09:00 AM
Um, you can issue the anov now as long as you can verify the person in Clear if they don't have an id. They just changed that within last couple weeks.
It should be like drinking on the public way - no testing!
no contract..NO WORK!
Ok so this is completely off topic but....
Just finished working my second day at Lollapalooza. A lot of questions/comments came up with those I was working with. First, there is an incredible amount of people there. I don't want to make a guess but let me tell you it is A LOT. The main problem that seems to occur is kids passing out from messing with drugs. Is it right?- no. But the ones getting hurt is themselves, they are not hurting others. Second, for the number of people there the amount of fights or other violent crime seems very low. I don't think I heard a single "person with a gun" call. Third, it is my understanding that Lollapalooza makes A LOT of money. Which leads me to a specific part of our discussion.... Why has the Taste turned into what it has? The short answer.... It is ran by a private company as opposed to being run by the City. I won't get into the clientele....... Bottom line is the City cannot run anything without fucking it up.
8/03/2014 03:22:00 AM
Or maybe you have to pay to get into Lollapalooza and it is free to get into the taste of chicago.
I do not write weed tickets because that is money in the cities pocket. I either make an arrest or let them just go. It just depends on how the person interacts with me during to process.
Forget helping the city make more money for them to abuse.
Not a peep from the media about the Lallapalooza chaos.... Robberies, agg bats, a rape, over 130 people PER DAY being taken to the hospital for over doesing on Molly, X, heroin, etc..
Now we all know the ghetto gangbanger is not going to pay the fine. I'm sure that not issuing warrants on the ANOV's. The suburbanites and working stiffs will pay their fines. The rest walk. Someone tell me nothing's changed.
Retired
They don't need to go to jail. They can just get a ticket and keep on walking so later on that night they can get shot and killed. Sounds good to me.
What happens when "herb dilla" winds up shot full of holes, with a ANOV for weed in his pocket?
If the police arrested him instead of just writing him a ticket he would still be alive.
Has it happened yet??
I forgot Quinn just last week made it permissible for little kids to have hash if they have documented stress that they have school homework to do.
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Not quite. Quinn signed the law to extend the use of mmj for kids and adults who suffer from seizures. There's conclusive evidence that CBD oil has greatly reduced the number of seizures in children and adults.
Think of all the Agg Batts and possible homicides, or just crime in and of itself that is being prevented by locking up most people in possession of cannabis. We're taking victims and offenders off of the street. A physical arrest is always the best choice.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sorry no ANOV's from me.... It's my job to complicate these assholes lives as much as possible. Plus there's no money in it for me (court).. I gotta getz minezzz$$$
8/03/2014 01:49:00 PM
Yeah because arresting these losers and giving them an I-Bond 2 hours later really complicates their worthless lives. It's not like anyone we deal with has jobs or school to go to. I do agree with you though if you're trying to make yourself some extra money from court, but complicating their lives with a misdemeanor arrest...I just don't see it.
(OT) Ebola outbreak hey Obama shut down any flights from your hometown Africa this is bulkshit! Yep the papers are telling travelers the airport first responders are watching for this, except this is a lie we don't have enough coppers nowhere near! TSa doubled airport fees for security where is that money being spent? Why not put it into hiring coppers and fund our pensions!
What other airport has a department of aviation police who are trained same was as metro suburban departments but no guns they act as security guards albeit extremely high paid but yet off duty to and from work they can be armed big reason jimmy Maurer was fired he stood up, and now the commissioner who fired him Rosie andolino is leaving maybe just maybe something's brewing from the Daley/rahm cabal?
Wow some super cops finish arrest in 20 min....you should get a DC for this!!!
No court overtime,pay the fines,keeps the politicians rich and weeds smokers and dealers happy,need I say more,hell it'll be legal soon,better look into opening a weed store!
They don't want you to think about what your doing and why,just do it and not think about the money being made and who's making it,cause no court means you ain't making it,not that you took this job to make money,just do it shut up and like it!
Who said people who smoke weed are ghetto, I'm retired now and I can smoke anything I like,especially weed!
Anonymous said...
With all the police on the Southside, the Northsiders are in "police desserts".
8/03/2014 01:52:00 PM
Dude! You should be the mayor!
The current mayor can't figure that out to save his own life.
agree to no less than the 11% the firemen got!we deserve more than that...16% minimum ..crime is down
Suntimes article 3 Aug by Michael Sneed......Daley data . . .
"Former Mayor Richard Daley was spotted at new Oak Street hot spot Fig and Olive Thursday night, according to a Sneed source.
He “came for drinks at the bar, then sat for dinner and socialized at the bar after dinner. He is seemingly vibrant and in great health . . . looks great!” the source said."
WTF? Well, here is proof positive that our hospitals are doing a fantastic job. Not only should they get major kudos for keeping the homicide rate low, but they have been able to bring back former mayor Daley from the brink. It was only a mere 11 days ago did we read that the former mayor was TOO SICK to be deposed for the Park Grill debacle but now we see that he's healthy enough to travel to one of his favorite spots for drinks, dining and socializing.
Will there be a re-scheduling for his deposition?
8/03/2014 08:30:00 AM
Ask Judge Moshe Jacobius.
Musings from an old fart.
My girlfriend and I were walking along the lakefront with our dog in the early 70's. We started talking to a blue shirt (younger guy like us). I bent down to point something out about our dog and lo and behold out from the pocket of my dress shirt fell a joint. Hit the officer right square on the top of his shoe. I swear it made a noise louder than a 100' tree falling to the ground. The copper just rolled his eyes.
We stood and talked to him for what seemed 2 hours. We were afraid to walk away. When we did it was without incident.
The point? I dunno. Over the years I had many dealings with the CPD. Yeah there have been some JOs, but you know, all and all I have never seen a better and more professional police force anywhere in the world.
NC
who really cares about weed?
Almost 68 years old, fought in Vietnam (USMC)- retired in Arizona. Have witnessed two people I knew out here with a chronic disease using weed. Smoked weed in Phu Bai, no big deal. The Drug War is one big scam so the powers to be can make $$$.
old retired gu¥
I'm not a chemist, lab technician, or chemical mixer. Let the lab test the weed.
It should be like drinking on the public way - no testing!
8/03/2014 02:10:00 PM
Bingo!
Plenty of people on here are boasting that they can do a weed arrest in 20 minutes. Ok, that's cool and all, so what are you doing in the station for the other 2.5 hours?
Off topic first lawsuit against the sgts test filed Friday. You cabg try googling Johnson v. City
Tickets, for drug abuse?
Good luck America.
8/03/2014 12:39:00 PM you must be a third watch wonder-- ok kid good for you now go write some anov weed tickets like a good boy --
Keep wishing, but it will not happen. Bratten (mentor of our super) is the center of attention in NY and he still touts compstat and broken windows. And, statistaically, crime is down in Chicago. So, on what grounds does the mayor let him go?
8/03/2014 11:03:00 AM
Bratton is dismantling most of the strategies that McCarthy put in place in NY. On what grounds does the mayor let him go? How about these just for starters:
1. He has created the most toxic environment the CPD has ever known to include no one desiring to do anything but just get by. Horrible/non-existant leadership.
2. He is more politically corrupt than any previous Supt. Wait until the CH merit promotion scandal and the associated merit promotions furthered by Chief RT really blow up and become public.
Talks the talk but doesn't even try to walk the walk yet thinks people believe him. The arrogance is truly astounding.
3. He has absolutely no credibility with the CPD because he lies (e.g. meritocracy speeches, see above, has the working cop's back which we all know is BS, etc) and knows very little about anything other than a beat car which is valuable but not nearly enough to run an entire police dept. No conception at all about how the different parts of a police dept. can contribute to lowering crime, especially in a gang environment. The public is starting to figure this out as well.
4. Does not have the ability to adapt to any organization if it does not do things the NYPD way because that is all he knows and does not understand anything more thereby forcing strategies and polices that have been a disaster (eg DSS position, XO's, etc. too many to list). He did the same in Jersey and we are starting to find out how that all worked out.
5. He is so self absorbed that all that matters to him is him. He doesn't care about the CPD or its people in any way, shape, or form and it is obvious to everyone at CPD. He believes we midwesterners are just stupid and will believe whatever nonsense comes out of his mouth. Absolutely the worst environment to work in because it violates one of the basic tenets of leadership.
There are so many more failings that can be listed but I think the point has been made. No leadership, no ethics, no integrity, very limited job knowledge, and an ego the size of New York. He was bound to fail in a big way but he had a lot of people fooled in the beginning. The question becomes how does this all get fixed if it's even possible.
PS The original poster writes in a way a New Yorker would. Nobody here calls him or anyone in that position the "super" or "our super", and no one here believes the manipulated stats are accurate. "Super" is what people in New York commonly call a building superintendent. Also, who pays that much attention to what is going on in the NYPD except a former member. So it's either McCarthy or Tracy. I'm guessing Tracy but could be either one. We are not so stupid after all.
Tact teams and hair gel wanna be's would not exist without 720ilcs 5/550 a or b or cttp abandoned house with no complainant
How many Weed Possession fines have been ordered by Crook County Judges ?
How many fines have been paid , as opposed to number of fines issued !
What happens if fines are not paid?
Are Weed Possession Fine Scoflaw Violators who are White and Black being made to pay somehow equally, or are Minority Violators being allowed to "slide", without paying?
Do the white kids from the suburbs get chased and harrassed to pay up while inner city blacks and hispanics are allowed to skate ?
Lets see the Statistics, and just who recorded those statistics and will attest to their accuracy ?
Only in Democrat (Communist) run Chicago/Crook County, the Corruption Capitol of the U.S.
Plenty of people on here are boasting that they can do a weed arrest in 20 minutes. Ok, that's cool and all, so what are you doing in the station for the other 2.5 hours?
8/03/2014 09:06:00 PM
Waiting on the desk lol...duh.
The point? I dunno. Over the years I had many dealings with the CPD. Yeah there have been some JOs, but you know, all and all I have never seen a better and more professional police force anywhere in the world.
NC
8/03/2014 07:52:00 PM
Ha, ha, NC. If that were me I'd have laughed my ass off. Plenty of good people smoke weed. some do all sorts of other thing and are still decent citizens. I know, I an hear the wheels spinning in some heads. Adding to the mayhem. Funding crime and terrorism...yada yada. All that may be true, but it's way above my pay grade.
I lock people up that need lockin up. I let more than a few people keep their roscoes over the years. Same with traffic. I let almost everyone go with a warning, but believe me I do make a lot of stops. That's what we do, serve and protect. I never forget that. I am here to keep things safe and let the decent people go about their lives. Not for everyone on this job, but I sleep well at night.
Plenty of people on here are boasting that they can do a weed arrest in 20 minutes. Ok, that's cool and all, so what are you doing in the station for the other 2.5 hours?
8/03/2014 09:06:00 PM
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Waiting for a TRANSPORT!
So the people are "emotionally torn" over weed arrest but they can step coolly over shot and dead bodies??
That's the Chicago I know!!!!!
Put the matter in the citizen's hand. If you admit that you had marijuana and want to be subject to fine only: check the box here and sign. Ticket only.
You dispute the substance or want a trial: Physical arrest.
Watch ticket numbers explode.
Anonymous said...
I do not write weed tickets because that is money in the cities pocket. I either make an arrest or let them just go. It just depends on how the person interacts with me during to process.
Forget helping the city make more money for them to abuse.
8/03/2014 03:22:00 PM
I like your attitude. The year I graduated high school, a group of us were out drinking and being stupid. We were pulled by a couple of under covers for some admittedly very unsafe driving in 024. We were very respectful and the coppers who nailed us were very kind. They could have hauled us in and our parents would have kicked our asses, but these guys were cool. They removed the booze and weed (about an ounce) from our vehicle and followed us home to ensure that we got there safely. This goes back 30+ years, but I'm still grateful to those guys. A lesson was learned that night: 1. We were stupid and dangerous to others and ourselves 2. Don't be an asshole when you're pulled over 3. Appreciate and understand the bullshit that coppers have to deal with and be respectful. Had we not been pulled over that night, given the way we were driving, we could have really fucked up our lives and/or someone else's lives. Those guys explained that to us and went above and beyond in an effort to keep us safe, avoid an arrest and the wrath of our folks.
I really hate to demonstrate this to the extreme conservatives on this issue, but there R people that smoke pot and R wildly successful.
Neil Young, Dave Matthews(500 million he's worth)Willie, and countless computer programmers enjoy "A Jimmy Thing." What does Dave Matthews say to his Parents "Mom, if I didn't smoke weed I'd have made a billion dollars. I'm a failure, Mom."
I've been in many a squad car where both parties not only freely admitted that they tried this EVIL substance but I've had guys retire and say they couldn't wait to smoke this EVIL substance on par w/Crystal Meth, BLOW, or HERON.
Please come to U'r senses. Would U rather go in2 a domestic or a party that generated a noise disturbance when they're hitting the bottle and moving right to the rock. Seldom do stoners get called for just smoking this Scourge on humanity.
Don't buy everything that U hear.
from the outside looking in it appears like the best answer is maybe to just stop enforcing the weed laws entirely for those found with small amounts of it.
You couldn't write a weed ANOV in 019 if you wanted to. There aren't any ANOV books. EV and WL, our esteemed number crunching bosses, have them locked up because the district wrote so many they fear an increased index for next year. Thanks to the taxi Nazi sgt on the entertainment detail, ANOV numbers have exploded.
People pushing those beat cars need to put into perspective.
With all the crap you have to put up with in roll call or with bosses - YOU are the people who interact with the public everyday and change lives, not the idiots running the circus.
Sometimes I can't remember what I had for dinner 2 weeks ago last Tuesday. But I can remember a copper from 30 years ago. You never know how much of an impact you have on people. Couple of the posts on here prove it. Carry On and Stay Safe.
NC
Anonymous said...
You couldn't write a weed ANOV in 019 if you wanted to. There aren't any ANOV books. EV and WL, our esteemed number crunching bosses, have them locked up because the district wrote so many they fear an increased index for next year. Thanks to the taxi Nazi sgt on the entertainment detail, ANOV numbers have exploded.
8/04/2014 07:59:00 AM
Not a cop here, but a question:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a standing general order that prohibits city employees from going out to work every shift without all the necessary equipment and required gear needed for your shift?
If that's correct, I would think every officer that isn't in possession of an ANOV book could reasonably tell their Sgt that they can't leave the station without their Ticket Book.
>>>Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a standing general order that prohibits city employees from going out to work every shift without all the necessary equipment and required gear needed for your shift?
If that's correct, I would think every officer that isn't in possession of an ANOV book could reasonably tell their Sgt that they can't leave the station without their Ticket Book.
8/05/2014 03:37:00 AM<<<
For over thirty years as log as I had my uniform, star, shield, body armor, gun, ammo, handcuffs, flashlight, nightstick and radio I had all the necessities.
Everything else was just bureaucracy.
There has always been shortages of everything, manpower, cars, ticket books, report forms, if the city had to pay for it we ran short of it.
"...With all the police on the south side, the north side is in a "police dessert"..."
I have to agree. The desserts served on the north side are much better than any dessert served on the south side.
You can't beat our cuisine.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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