Stop-and-Frisks Down - Shootings Up
This keeps popping up in the New York media as if it's some big surprise or something, and we guess it is - to New York liberals:
- Cops in two of the city’s toughest precincts recorded 99% fewer stop-and-frisks during the first half of the year — part of a staggering decline in the polarizing police tactic from the same period just three years ago.
Officers assigned to the 75th Precinct in East New York and the 73rd Precinct in Brownsville stopped just 126 people in the first half of 2014, compared to 10,540 stops between January and June of 2011.
The nearly eye-popping decrease is no misprint — and it comes as shootings in those neighborhoods are on the rise.
Shootings are up in East New York from 34 to 43 through Aug. 10, a spike of about 27% compared to last year. In Brownsville, shootings are up from 38 to 56, an increase of about 47% over the same time period.
Cause-and-effect is completely lost on these folks.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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The 73rd (Brownsville) and 75th (East New York) Precincts in Brooklyn North adjoin and share NYPD Radio Zone 22. Arguably, among the NYPD's 77 precincts, they are the most violent crime infested precincts in New York City.
Welcome to Humboldt Park.
They can't say the cops are breaking the law or ignoring the law. They're doing what the law allows them to do. This is what the mayor wanted.
"Officers assigned to the 75th Precinct in East New York and the 73rd Precinct in Brownsville stopped just 126 people in the first half of 2014, compared to 10,540 stops between January and June of 2011."
"Overmilitarized," "provocative" officers in Ferguson, MO stood back last night and let it burn. Orders, I take it.
Working out good, huh?
"Cause-and-effect is completely lost on these folks." -- SCC
No it ain't. They find the truth to be inconvenient, so they ignore it.
Like Whatshisname's "fambly attorneys" in Ferguson -- and who's paying their retainer?
Videotape of their 300-pound "child" committing a forcible felony is "irrelevant," so they say.
There.
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So not bothering almost 9000 people resulted in only 10 more getting shot by someone?
Big deal. I'd rather have my freedom against unwarranted search and seizure.
Awesome! Good job to the brothers and sisters of NYPD. The name of the game is self-preservation. Politicians have been playing for decades. Congratulations, society. You got the police force you wanted.
The 75 has always been a shithole . I know a guy who started out his gold shield career in the 75 . He wanted to go there for that reason busiest detective squad in the city . Then, now and forever .
Clueless entitled New Yorkers.
No keeses for them.
Shocked, I tell you...shocked!
Just look at Mayor Deblasio, he is just like Mayor Rahm!
He is looking to put any Police Officer, under the bus for political gain and votes!
I don't blame any Officer for doing nothing! I know, I would not do anything, either! These cities and their police dept. will NOT back you up!
Just look at Ferguson, MO.
Next Politicians, will put your name on every T.V. in this country and make you out the bad guy!
Naw! Let the criminal getaway is the best option these days and just make a report!
So the NYPD in those areas turned in 126 "Stop-And-Frisk" reports.
Given the bureaucratic, civil and criminal legal climate they are working in, I am surprised they did that many.
Wow!!! I hope those dead guys are happy that the police won't be stopping them no more
Power to the People, not to the Police. The Police are the servants of the People, not their Masters.
"So not bothering almost 9000 people resulted in only 10 more getting shot by someone?
Big deal. I'd rather have my freedom against unwarranted search and seizure."
So what happened to the usual refrain, "If we could just save one life..."
Big deal. I'd rather have my freedom against unwarranted search and seizure.
As long as you're not one of the ten
Actually, sounds like "no stop, no frisk" is working good just not the way the DWL's thought it would.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Cause-and-effect is completely lost on these folks." -- SCC
No it ain't. They find the truth to be inconvenient, so they ignore it.
Like Whatshisname's "fambly attorneys" in Ferguson -- and who's paying their retainer?
Videotape of their 300-pound "child" committing a forcible felony is "irrelevant," so they say.
There.
*
8/17/2014 02:00:00 AM
On the Sunday morning news shows, the attorney was whining that the family 'didn't get to view the video first', before it was publicly released. They also wanted, 'like when someone dies', the family to be the ones who identified him on the video, not someone else. And (I believe it was Sharpton) then the wail began, 'it was JUST a box of cigars, a box of cigars!' Because, come on, in bizarre world, it's okay to walk into a man's place of business and steal from him and hurt him in the process.
How about, 'here are the rules, live by them'? Maybe if this 18yr old ADULT man, over six feet tall and 300lbs, had not just committed a strongarm robbery and knew it was wrong, who therefore had a de facto defensive mindset against the police officer as he approached, had just PAID to purchase what wasn't his, none of this would have happened.
Anonymous said...
So not bothering almost 9000 people resulted in only 10 more getting shot by someone?
Big deal. I'd rather have my freedom against unwarranted search and seizure.
8/17/2014 03:07:00 AM
As a police officer, I agree. I haven't heard any outrage over the death of those 10 people.
That will all change if a thug puts a gun
to the head of a policy maker.
So not bothering almost 9000 people resulted in only 10 more getting shot by someone?
Big deal. I'd rather have my freedom against unwarranted search and seizure.
8/17/2014 03:07:00 AM
You demand your right to carry dope and a gun. Have at it. I stopped street stops years ago, no unwarranted what you said from this P.O.
Big deal. I'd rather have my freedom against unwarranted search and seizure.
As long as you're not one of the ten
8/17/2014 11:38:00 AM
We don't know anything about those "10" - whether they were criminals engaged in vigorous discussions with other criminals, or criminals that attacked 10 innocent people, or... But out of a city of what? 8 million? 10 is hardly a blip on the RADAR screen. And our right to continue upon the streets unmolested until the Police have probable cause is more important than trying to achieve "zero" percent - it's impossible because lots of random things happen.
Those that would give up a bit of freedom for perceived security, deserve neither.
Part of living in a free society involves the risk that someone, somewhere, at sometime might do something you don't like. It's a risk we assume because the alternative is pretty lousy.
And even if you have cops all over, secret police all over, spying all over, (e.g. East German Stazi), you still have lots of crime (as we saw during the Cold War). We had problems with unwarranted searches and seizures back in the 1700's - that's why we fixed that problem in our Constitution. So those issues wouldn't happen again.
Do some people dress differently than others? Yep. Are they "probably" criminals? Yep. But we don't operate against thought crime. We wait until something happens, then we deal with it through due process. Now if you have evidence that Pookie is carrying a firearm with the serial # burned off, he's shot up a bunch of restaurants, and killed a few people - by all means, go swear out a Warrant, and arrest his criminal ass. But leave everyone else alone.
Personally, if NY (City and State) didn't have such a firearm-phobia, and allowed all law-abiding citizens to carry concealed where ever they want (sans prisons, jails, and police lockups), I believe they'd have much less crime, and less of this kind of crap.
Sure, people are still going to shoot each other - accidentally, or on purpose, but even if you don't have firearms, you still have people using other tools to effect their nefarious deeds. Cars, hammers, rocks, bottles, screwdrivers, pencils, pens, toilet paper roll springs, batteries, full pop cans, bricks...acid, even melted and reshaped jolly rancher candy...
Finally, We, as a Country need to get past this inane, miserable failure that is the War On Some Drugs. It's enriched and emboldened the criminal gangs, and infringed upon our Civil Liberties. We need to legalize, lightly regulate and tax, and move on.
The number of "stop and frisks" (ugh) could be zero, and residents would STILL complain about being harrassed by the police.
You can interview residents of a town that doesn't even have a police department, and they would complain about the asshole police
Try and Find one city/suburb/town where people actually support their police department
What's makes you believe the stats aren't being adjusted as they have been in the past? The only thing Stop & Frisk does is piss off a regular Joe that lives in a neighborhood considered by some to be bad. Some poor sap working a dead end job resents being stopped every other night when the only thing he's doing is trying to get home without sh*theads beating,robbing,or killing him.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Power to the People, not to the Police. The Police are the servants of the People, not their Masters.
8/17/2014 08:39:00 AM
How ironic that you make this statement, which is accurate, yet ignore the true weight of your comments. The police are servants of the people. You somehow don't grasp that while people are killed and otherwise injured while police perform their duties...these duties are performed in service to other people. You know why cops say get out of the street? Because when people walk in the street they block traffic, increase the likelihood for confrontations and collisions with motorists AND THE PEOPLE call and ask the police to stop it. The biggest enigma in policing, in my opinion, is that while we are there to restore peace and protect liberty we often cannot do so without also restricting someone else's liberty. I don't lose sleep over it but it's the way it is. So if you are hurt, injured or killed because you combat police restricting your liberty...in response to you infringing on the liberty of other citizens, that sounds like poor decision-making on your part. And I assure you that citizens elsewhere feel safer and served by the police when necessary force was taken against you. One man's arrest is another man's freedom. Read a book hippie.
Anonymous said...
What's makes you believe the stats aren't being adjusted as they have been in the past? The only thing Stop & Frisk does is piss off a regular Joe that lives in a neighborhood considered by some to be bad. Some poor sap working a dead end job resents being stopped every other night when the only thing he's doing is trying to get home without sh*theads beating,robbing,or killing him.
8/17/2014 09:21:00 PM
I've seen several regular joes get vouched for by other cops and get that "he's good" wave off. If you get stopped on a regular basis in the same neighborhood you need to reevaluate why. Nobody is trying to waste their time stopping a good guy that wont yield something OVER and OVER. That's where personal responsibility comes in. We are lying to these generations and telling them it's okay to "be you" more than follow societal norms. Well "be you" at work and see how fast you get fired.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
What's makes you believe the stats aren't being adjusted as they have been in the past? The only thing Stop & Frisk does is piss off a regular Joe that lives in a neighborhood considered by some to be bad. Some poor sap working a dead end job resents being stopped every other night when the only thing he's doing is trying to get home without sh*theads beating,robbing,or killing him.
8/17/2014 09:21:00 PM
I've seen several regular joes get vouched for by other cops and get that "he's good" wave off. If you get stopped on a regular basis in the same neighborhood you need to reevaluate why. Nobody is trying to waste their time stopping a good guy that wont yield something OVER and OVER. That's where personal responsibility comes in. We are lying to these generations and telling them it's okay to "be you" more than follow societal norms. Well "be you" at work and see how fast you get fired.
8/18/2014 12:42:00 AM
What are you talking about lying to generations? How do yo go from a guy working a job to lying to generations? If I'm walking home at 2:00 AM after getting off work, what do I have to reevaluate? You need to reevaluate how you police.
It sounds like our NYPD brethren are sticking together on that tactic . . . . .
Anonymous said...
What's makes you believe the stats aren't being adjusted as they have been in the past? The only thing Stop & Frisk does is piss off a regular Joe that lives in a neighborhood considered by some to be bad. Some poor sap working a dead end job resents being stopped every other night when the only thing he's doing is trying to get home without sh*theads beating,robbing,or killing him.
8/17/2014 09:21:00 PM
I've seen several regular joes get vouched for by other cops and get that "he's good" wave off. If you get stopped on a regular basis in the same neighborhood you need to reevaluate why. Nobody is trying to waste their time stopping a good guy that wont yield something OVER and OVER. That's where personal responsibility comes in. We are lying to these generations and telling them it's okay to "be you" more than follow societal norms. Well "be you" at work and see how fast you get fired.
8/18/2014 12:42:00 AM
What are you talking about lying to generations? How do yo go from a guy working a job to lying to generations? If I'm walking home at 2:00 AM after getting off work, what do I have to reevaluate? You need to reevaluate how you police.
8/18/2014 08:19:00 AM
What I'm talking about is letting these kids think you can get and keep a job, and generally be successful life, doing whatever you. I was 15 and wanted a job and my old man MADE me cut my hair because he said no one would hire me like that. I joined the military and had to shave facial hair I barely had and dress, speak, act in a particular fashion for a future. Working people and the average professional have to alter how they feel, how they really dress, how they really speak, what hairstyles they prefer..to keep employment and take care of their families. But we are teaching kids via the media that if the police say put your hands behind your back, or stop walking in the street it is negotiable. It aint. The comment wasn't about a guy working a job. It was about a working man getting stopped as opposed to a criminal. And as I stated before, something is wrong with a working man who gets stopped repeatedly in the same neighborhood. Officers know names and faces in their area and if they know he is nothing but a working man...who wants to waste their time bothering him? I said reevaluate yourself if this is happening to you repeatedly. I wasn't always the police. I am black. I have had braids, dreads, afros, sagging pants...the whole pie BUT despite the different styles I followed, when I didn't act like an asshole with a smart mouth the police did not bother me. And I was stopped a few times but never twice in the same place or for the same thing. When they realized I wasn't up to anything, even when I was a smart ass, they sent me about my business. Here's a lesson for the public: we actually can't wait to hurry up and clear the job and stop being involved in your dysfunctional life. It's your continuing to talk and act like a jackass that often prevents us from leaving when we want to.
This is old . I'd have to ask my friend if this is still policy .
How stupid is this ?.
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/police-commissioner-raymond-kelly-nypd-logo-no-go-cops-wear-article-1.1014627
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