Wednesday, October 01, 2014

Gun Laws Impact Poor...and Minorities

You'll never see this reported by a local outlet - you have to go to Washington DC:
  • Within Cook County, the top five concealed carry ZIP codes per capita are all predominately white, middle class and are in areas that have low crime rates. However, the most violent neighborhoods within the county — all of which are on the South Side of Chicago — are predominately black, where residents earn less than $48,000 annually and hold the fewest concealed carry licenses as a percentage of the population.

    If the same data trends occurred in banking and insurance, there might be outcries of “redlining,” denying a group of people access to goods or services because of the color of their skin or income levels. But there’s little public concern expressed so far about the possibility that poor blacks are being disenfranchised from the right to carry a concealed weapon.

    “You really need to ask whether or not politicians are consciously trying to disarm certain groups of people,” said Dr. John Lott, a Second Amendment expert and president of the Crime Prevention Research Center. “Why do they want a law that primarily disarms blacks and gives guns to only well-to-do whites? Don’t they think it should be equal for everyone to protect their lives?”

    Illinois residents say the disproportionate statistics all boil down to cost. Of right-to-carry states, Illinois has the highest registration and training fee, costing an applicant about $650 on average for fingerprinting, taxes and logistics — excluding the price of the gun.
Those who most reliably vote for democrats are those most disadvantaged by democrat policies.

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58 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guns are a lot like parachutes. If you really need one and don't have it, you'll probably never need one again.

10/01/2014 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they can let them use their link cards for training and to buy weapons

10/01/2014 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The high pitched sound you just heard was Rahm Emanuel screaming like a pre-teen girl at this revelation seeing the light of day...

The powers that be don't want the few decent people in these garden spots to have the ability to fight back on more or less equal footing with criminals.

Are Rahm Emanuel's policies racist?

10/01/2014 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“You really need to ask whether or not politicians are consciously trying to disarm certain groups of people,” said Dr. John Lott, a Second Amendment expert and president of the Crime Prevention Research Center. “Why do they want a law that primarily disarms blacks and gives guns to only well-to-do whites?

Wha's wrong with dat?

Hey, if Illinois wanted the poor to have legal guns, they would have set up the CCW license process to take LINK cards.

Besides, realistically, how many of the lower economic classes will pass the background check?

10/01/2014 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One: most democrats don't want to carry and don't believe in private ownership of guns or CC.

Two: go to Chicago's bad areas, and tell me that minorities and poor are having a problem getting guns. If they were there would not be so many shootings.

10/01/2014 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First paragraph is Just making an assumption-

There was a story not to long ago on the tribune site (had to be a member to read the full thing) where a black guy (and others, don't know their nationalities or races) couldn't get a CCW permit in IL with no explanation at all. The kicker is he was/is a military guy who also holds a permit with the he state of Ohio I believe.

Imagine all the armed robberies that happen on the south side a day that aren't reported to police, are under reported, and aren't blogged about daily like wrigleyville robberies for instance. If more law abiding citizens out south were legal concealed gun holders shit would really be the Wild West - all points going to the "good guys" of course. Black neighborhoods with some of the worst problems also tend to have the most middle class black residents also, who I'm sure would like to protect their hard earned valuables just the same. Those neighborhoods being, roseland, South Shore, Morgan Park, (Austin, but that's west side), and I believe one more.

People NEED to understand that democrats only want to keep you dependent on them! But in the same breath, how can democrats expect one to depend on them in situations like this when Democrats have failed citizens by failing CPD!? Speaking of democrats wanting dependent sheeple, Between 2010-2014 Illinois food stamp enrollment has OUTPACED job creation 2 to 1! You may have made posts about the bad stuff we're #1 in, but now we're dead last in the Midwest for something, and it ain't good.

http://www.illinoispolicy.org/jobs-vs-foods-stamps-illinois-last-in-the-midwest/

10/01/2014 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This post nails it. What is also not talked about is that a great number of crime victims, especially violent crime victims, are black. Why so much for licensing? How about a sliding scale fee, and also maybe good but lower priced guns?

10/01/2014 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They criminalize otherwise law abiding citizens, the poor black people and poor hispanics with this law and policy.

10/01/2014 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So like high speed internet, cell phones, housing, health insurance, and food, maybe gun makers and Democrats should be partnering together and GIVING away guns to low income citizens. LOL

10/01/2014 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it that no one can look to our history and see lessons in this? Was it not the democrats who always wanted to keep the blacks down? It was always them that wanted to disarm blacks. Hell, it was them who were in the Klan and now have blacks voting for them.

10/01/2014 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McDrunk says this is just institutional racism!

Oh, wait. That was something else. This is...hey, bartender! What the hell is this? I'm our of democrat slogans!

10/01/2014 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Far too many minority men have felony records and can't get a concealed carry license. It's not a plot, it's just what is.

10/01/2014 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What neighborhoods usually follow the letter of the law?
Drive with a license, drive with insurance, register a car, pay for license plates, get a dog license, own a conceal carry, etc.... Versus the opposite, this could also explain it.

10/01/2014 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous 29 and a day said...

maybe it has to do with the inability to pass background checks in certain areas

10/01/2014 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pro-2nd Amendment, but this particular analysis is just stupid. The last word I would use to describe black neighborhoods is disarmed. The residents of those neighborhoods may have fewer CCW permits, but they sure as fuck have more guns.

10/01/2014 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The law was made so that poor people cannot afford to get a permit. 16 hours of training, finger-printing and permit fees cost more than a decent used handgun.

But the wonderful, kind caring Democrats are just trying to keep guns out of the hands of "those people." Even though the people that want permits are the law abiding citizens stuck in Shit-cago. Give guns to law abiding blacks and they might chase the criminals out of their neighborhoods and up the north shore.

Last century, the Democrats used white hoods and burning crosses. Now they use onerous fees, requirements, and taxes to accomplish the same goals.

10/01/2014 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Click on the link and check the enlarged map.

Correcting the article, the very worst zip code (60624) for both per capita violent crime and lowest gun registration is on the WEST SIDE--Garfield Park (11th Dist.). The four other zip codes (including the 7th Dist.) adjoin each other on the South Side.

To the other extreme, the only highest armed within the city limits is 60655--Mount Greenwood. The other four are in Cook Co. suburbs.

10/01/2014 01:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Why do they want a law that primarily disarms blacks and gives guns to only well-to-do whites? Don’t they think it should be equal for everyone to protect their lives?”
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I can see it coming. Racial profiling preventing blacks from getting their fair share of concealed carry permits. Using a twisted logic similar to CC Prez Prenkwinkle's claim that the criminal justice system is flawed because there aren't an equal number of whites incarcerated as blacks, a Federal lawsuit will force the government to give poor black folks... wait for this... Pistols, bullets, training and concealed carry permits!

Yes folks, the same government that gives away free cell phones plus minutes in the name of equality and the same Rahm Emanuel that screams about "Income Inequality" will soon be forced to give away guns, ammo and training along with concealed carry cards to poor black folks!

Hell, might as well toss in free FOID cards too. We want to be fair.

Can you just imagine Rufus lining up at the gubment gun store to get his free gubment gun and ammo? I wonder if they will give away ammunition that the average shithead is accustomed to using. That is, a different manufacture bullet in every slot in the ammo box. Hell, why even put it in a box? Put the ammo in a purple velvet Crown Royal bag!

I love this country!

10/01/2014 02:08:00 AM  
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...

"Illinois residents say the disproportionate statistics all boil down to cost. Of right-to-carry states, Illinois has the highest registration and training fee, costing an applicant about $650 on average for fingerprinting, taxes and logistics — excluding the price of the gun."


No sweat.

In short order, some democRAT politicians will push through a taxpayer-funded program which'll subsidize (or eliminate altogether) the costs associated with this right which obviously discriminates against people (and folks!) of color.

The 2nd is clearly the most racist of all the Amendments, wouldn't you agree?

Sarcasm / (OFF).

10/01/2014 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But in all fairness, these areas are the ones with the highest numbers of shiny rims, big screen televisions, Nike shoes, and Fubu sales.

10/01/2014 04:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disarming black folks? Sorry, try listening to the zone in 011. With the number of shots fired and man with a gun calls the only reasonable conclusion is that they are very well armed. With all the shootings and armed robbery victims, that conclusion is supported by empirical evidence. So this argument is moot.

10/01/2014 05:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the federal government should provide free guns to residents in the ghetto neighborhoods as the federal government already provides free cellular telephones!

10/01/2014 06:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eventually, I see a civil rights legal battle, and the state will be writing one of those big checks to the plaintiffs.

10/01/2014 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you kidding? Why do you need a permit when people in those areas carry guns all the time. Maybe there will be a new program called the "Obama Gun"! Low and affordable guns given away for free (if you qualify, lol).

10/01/2014 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your last sentence nails it. The persons that are most disadvantaged by the democrats are the same ones that stand in line to vote for them. Wake up people the democrats in power are looking iut for themselves only, not you. Give the republican party a chance. If it doesn't work out vote them out also.

10/01/2014 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm guessing either they're already carrying illegally, or they cannot pass the background check to obtain a concealed carry permit.

10/01/2014 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Friar Tuck said...

Robin Hood didn't have a gun and he did just fine...

10/01/2014 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can see it now. Everybody gets a free "Obamagun."

10/01/2014 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lmao..........
How about telling the truth? Like hey people in predominantly black communities are not able to pass the background check to be allowed to carry. It's nobody's fault but their own.

10/01/2014 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People will need guns in two years when the funding for SSI runs out! You know there will not be an increase in job seakers. Oh wait. Just raise some more taxes! Ya, that's the answer... Always!

10/01/2014 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many people have been arrested for illegally carrying a concealed weapon who actually possess a FOID? Do you think most of them care about any laws.

Those gathering stats can count the number of CC permits issued, but they don't have a clue on how many people in any given community are actually carrying weapons. I would venture a guess that there are probably more guns being carried in some less privileged communities than there are in communities where people actually apply for and have been issued a permit to carry concealed a fireamr.

10/01/2014 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Historically, blacks have been oppressed by their "supposed" democrat saviours ever since the left dropped their white hoods and started handing out free stuff

Don't believe me, read and try to understand.

Blacks are bigger chumps than the Cubs

10/01/2014 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous FILLMORE said...

The worst zip code is 60624 bounded by Roosevelt Rd., Chicago Ave., Kedzie Ave. and the RR tracks at 4600 West (Kenton Ave.) with the geographical center being near Madison St. and Pulaski Rd. on the WEST SIDE.

All Garfield Park zip 60624 is within the borders of the 11th District.

10/01/2014 08:51:00 AM  
Blogger Dv90 said...

Not a cop and I know its a Police Officer's job to uphold the law, but there's gotta be cops out there who see the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. Fuck carry permits its an infringement plain and simple. Criminals already have equal if not better firepower, let the good( I wont say law abiding because its my duty to ignore an unconstitutional law) citizens fight back without having to pay the machine's extortion fees.


ane cppeople in this city do appreciate

10/01/2014 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

less legal guns ... but way more illegal guns

and why is the gov't tracking zip codes?

10/01/2014 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"go to Chicago's bad areas, and tell me that minorities and poor are having a problem getting guns. If they were there would not be so many shootings." Um, Prof. Lott is talking about LEGAL guns - those that are owned by people who have passed background checks. The guns in the 'hood are stolen, and the thugs who have them are legally not allowed to carry.

Gun control - keeping honest people from legally owning a firearm - is another way of maintaining a permanent underclass that is completely dependent on the government, and therefor consistent in voting Democrat. Give the handful of decent people living in hellholes like Englewood some power via legal guns, let them deal with the dealers, pimps and gangbangers trolling the streets, and what would Rahm et. al. have to keep them loyal to the plantation massas?

10/01/2014 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No conceal carry licenses but they sure pack the heat and can get a gun quicker than a bag of loud. Wheres that study?

10/01/2014 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Democrats slogan..."We are depending on you, depending on us"

10/01/2014 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be very,very careful for what you wish for this is like a two edge sword no matter how it comes or where it pierce is gonna hurt!

You have to look at the cons and pros.
In one hand criminals have more fire power than civilians and are imfamous for straw purchases.

On thee other gangs are involved heavy in neighborhoods. So if an abiding resident has a gun to defend himself is good but retaliation cons the pro!

10/01/2014 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But in all fairness, these areas are the ones with the highest numbers of shiny rims, big screen televisions, Nike shoes, and Fubu sales.

10/01/2014 04:36:00 AM

1. I'm not black, but I like to consider myself pretty "hip" to urban fashion(my son would be so embarrassed to hear me say that, by the way) but FuBu? This isn't 2001.

2. The majority of people who have big shiny rims, new nike shoes all the time and expensive clothes are usually the ones you arrest for what reason exactly in these areas? Oooh! Exactly!

Those types of people can't get a permit anyway and not because of CCW permit costs. It's the people who need it, but can't get it, because they'll be shelling almost a months worth of rent for everything required.

10/01/2014 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$650?
Keeping blacks imprisoned in high crime, impoverished areas AND getting more money from whites?
Win-win for the new democrat party.

And who says democrats are clueless idiots all the time.....

10/01/2014 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its nice to see the prez take his taxpayer paid for personal jet to Gary, Indiana for democrat fundraising/money laundering schemes in his hometown with democrat party homeys. Gary is a democrat controlled city, and in fact, is a vibrant city which overwhelmingly supports democrat candidates. With a 25.8% poverty rate a 19.1% unemployment rate and a $15,383 per capita income, it would be wise for the prez to board a helicopter and fly over this once great industrial city. Why would the prez want to view boarded up buildings and the prevailing economic despair when he could yuk it up with the financial very well off elite leaders in government and the big money contributing crony capitalists sampling the finest caviar. And lets not forget the nightly random gunfire heard by residents in the urban neighborhoods

His motorcade should drive through the streets and experience panhandlers shaking cups with their broke ass storylines on cardboard signs tapping on his window and the squeegee bums cleaning his windshield harassing drivers like the common folks endure everyday. Interestingly, the ACLU fought hard and the courts affirmed the “rights” of those harassing junkies, homeless, scrubs, drunks and dope addicts to obstruct traffic lawfully while panhandling and begging. Imagine the response of the secret service if a recipient of his party’s war on poverty approached the motorcade as he goes through the intersection. That everyday privilege to harass common folk does not apply when the political elite drive into town. Elite politicans do not mingle nor want to be associated with poor folk to address their most basic concerns.

The prez should view first hand his economic recovery at the corner liquor stores. It’s a sign of the times when the non-contributors/ non-participants in society have to resort to street hustled coin for that bumpy face gin and juice. If the prez had a son he would most likely look like the kids smoking weed, hanging out absent of hope and hawking contraband on each and every street corner. Please note the youth are not employed nor would they be studying math and science on this school day. You can bet your bottom dollar they are not preparing for those numerous 21st century jobs in this politician self-proclaimed teleprompter economic prosperity complete with employment growth validated everyday with the assistance of the willing mainstream media. Democrats while you are fundraising for all that cash money look at the monster you have created and take credit where credit is due.

10/01/2014 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The post office for the worst zip code 60624 is located at 4222 W. Madison St. on Chicago's great West Side. It's right in the heart of where the bloody 1968 MLK arson, looting, sniping riot occurred. Eleven "citizens" dead, all found in looted, torched stores on Madison west of Pulaski.

Based on the recent homicide body count, 011 easily remains the bloodiest rathole in ChIraq.

Sorry, Englewood.

10/01/2014 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT:.... Goddard College has a guest speaker addressing the students Mumia Abu-jamal a convicted cop killer ....says a lot for our commie colleges today and the people who run them.

10/01/2014 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should only give guns to people who have demonstrated that they can own them responsibly.

10/01/2014 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any idiot can misinterpret statistics. The real reason may very well be that the same areas that have lower income and higher crime rates also are predominantly the ones committing more crimes, and by definition, do not care about concealed carry laws- they've been carrying concealed for years with impunity.

10/01/2014 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Click on the link and check the enlarged map.

Correcting the article, the very worst zip code (60624) for both per capita violent crime and lowest gun registration is on the WEST SIDE--Garfield Park (11th Dist.). The four other zip codes (including the 7th Dist.) adjoin each other on the South Side.

To the other extreme, the only highest armed within the city limits is 60655--Mount Greenwood. The other four are in Cook Co. suburbs.

10/01/2014 01:37:00 AM

60624(west side) and the other south side zips may have the lowest gun registration, but the largest number of people carrying guns. Funny how the area with the lowest number of legal gun owners has the highest number of gun violence. Just goes to show you a criminal will always live like a criminal no matter what laws are passed. Check out the Wyoming, Montana, Idaho etc. etc. where nearly the entire state carries guns legally. Almost no violence there.

10/01/2014 08:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been saying that for years. . How can democRATS be the source and solution to all of our problems?

Although I would have to disagree SCC, everyone is hurt by Democrat policies.

10/02/2014 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea the democrats in Springfield are cop friendly.
Retired guys get a cc permit after going to a qualified range and pay $100.00 a year, every year. That is the thanks we get for doing the job right for 30 plus years. Total bull shit.
All other states under the federal law passed by President GWB do not charge their retired coppers. When out of state retired guys hear that, they laugh how fucked up those elected assholes in Springfield rob the retired copper' and it's LRGIT citizens.
You do not have to be a legal citizen of the USA to get a civilian CC permit.
USSR has been reborn here. President Ike seen this coming in the 1950'.
LBJ is the cause of 90 percent of the ills of the USA. Quinn, Durbin, and Madigan follow the ways of LBJ and his programs to a tee.
All the presidents from Reagan to JFK that have passed are rolling in their graves.
In 15 years, only the democrat party will exist. Why work, when you can get more by government hnd outs.

10/02/2014 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous No Amish said...

"Check out the Wyoming, Montana, Idaho etc. etc. where nearly the entire state carries guns legally. Almost no violence there." - 8:47 PM

Good point. However, let's not forget that those states you cited do a poor job of "celebrating diversity".

10/02/2014 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No Amish said...

"Check out the Wyoming, Montana, Idaho etc. etc. where nearly the entire state carries guns legally. Almost no violence there." - 8:47 PM

Good point. However, let's not forget that those states you cited do a poor job of "celebrating diversity".

Why would they want to 'celebrate' that? Empirical evidence, as well as casual daily observation, strongly suggest that violence and diversity, in a certain form, are inextricably connected.

10/02/2014 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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10/02/2014 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Ronnie Howard sings---

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10/02/2014 01:44:00 PM


The Music Man

10/02/2014 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea the democrats in Springfield are cop friendly.

Retired guys get a cc permit after going to a qualified range and pay $100.00 a year, every year. That is the thanks we get for doing the job right for 30 plus years. Total bull shit.
All other states under the federal law passed by President GWB do not charge their retired coppers. When out of state retired guys hear that, they laugh how fucked up those elected assholes in Springfield rob the retired copper' and it's LEGIT citizens.

LBJ is the cause of 90 percent of the ills of the USA. Quinn, Durbin, and Madigan follow the ways of LBJ and his programs to a tee.


10/02/2014 01:01:00 AM

Retired guy here. None of what you bitch about is fair.

First of all, be thankful that we, retired LEO's, have the CC at all.

Little King Richie and his minions like Durbin, Schumer, etc, did everything in their powers to block it. From tying it up in various committees to arguing over minor points to block it at the national level.

He also tried to block it at the Illinois State level. All the Cook County reps fought it tooth, hook and nail. It was the down-state republicans that got it moved forward.

Chicago Police Department does nothing to assist retirees. Before the Fed bill went into effect the CPD stopped issued qualification certificates that use could use for you first retired year. Nor will the City allow its ranges to be used for requal.

The reason for the $100/year vs the $150/3yr for the civilian CCW is that the civilian is court ordered and gets some state funding. The IROCC does not a get a dime from the State. It has to cover all its expenses on the fee.

Other states accomodate their retired LEO's but extend no help to out of state retirees. Wisconsin? If you ain't a retired Fed or Wisconsin copper, there is no provision for you. Most states do accommodate out of staters.

And the IROCC is less restrictive and more reciprocal than Illinois' is now.

10/02/2014 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/01/2014 09:35:00 AM

Sir, that was the best post EVER and thank you for posting it on your board, SCC.

MF

10/03/2014 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger BirdsnBlooms1 said...

'Why is it that no one can look to our history and see lessons in this? Was it not the democrats who always wanted to keep the blacks down? It was always them that wanted to disarm blacks. Hell, it was them who were in the Klan and now have blacks voting for them.'

Last month, I visited 'Support Officer Wilson' via Facebook.

There was a debate regarding slavery. Blacks do not believe slavery existed in Africa. Blacks who 'owned' other blacks as slaves.
I advised researching, but apparently, most dislike reading, instead argued the issue.

10/03/2014 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Put the ammo in a purple velvet Crown Royal bag!


I keep my Grandfathers .25 Browning in a crown Royal bag...they work great!

10/03/2014 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you need to pay money and get permit to experise a RIGHT????

10/03/2014 10:46:00 PM  

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