What's The Point of This?
Like all reporters, do thy master's bidding and bring in all sorts of non sequiturs to cloud the issue:
- Nine months after a nephew of former Mayor Richard M. Daley pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter, not a single cop has been disciplined for letting Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko get away for nearly 10 years with killing David Koschman.
And many of them can’t be punished because they no longer work for the city.
Dan K. Webb, the court-appointed special prosecutor who won Vanecko’s conviction in January, identified 53 police personnel involved in two botched investigations of Koschman’s death.
Fifty-three people bearing some form of blame? That's a lot of blame spread pretty thin.
- After Webb wrapped up his investigation, Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration asked City Hall Inspector General Joseph Ferguson to determine whether any police officers should be disciplined for their roles in the Koschman case. Police Supt. Garry McCarthy is awaiting Ferguson’s recommendations.
But only 21 of the cops and other police officials identified by Webb remain on the city payroll, still subject to possible disciplinary action. Their salaries total more than $2.2 million a year.
Twenty-eight others have retired and are collecting pensions totaling $2.6 million a year. Another has died, one is on disability, and two others have left the department.
And just who are these fifty-three? Go see the article for the list, but get a load of these names that Fusco and Novak pin the tail on:
- Cmdr. William O’Donnell
- Cmdr. Michael Chasen
- Cmdr. James Gibson
- Supt. Phil Cline
- Thomas Epach (Cline Assistant)
- Dep. Supt. Hiram Grau
- Chief of Detectives James Molloy
- Deputy Chief of Detectives Richard Kobel
- Supt. Jody Weis
- General Counsel Debra Kirby
- Chief of Staff Michael G. Masters Masters Masters
- Deputy Supt. Steven Peterson
- Chief of Detectives Thomas Byrne
- Deputy Chief of Detectives Constantine “Dean” Andrews
- Cmdr. Gary Yamashiroya
- Cmdr. Joseph Salemme
- Deputy Supt. Ernest Brown
And that's just the civilians and exempt ranks. Good luck pinning any blame on those folks. The Dicks and Sergeants and Lieutenants listed are like a "Who's Who" of meri-clout-orious favors granted. Together, their clout must outweigh several pods of oceanic whales. And why exactly does their salary or overtime or pension have anything to do with the investigation? Or is that just extraneous information included to prejudice and inflame the public?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Gotta love that freedom of info act!
I wish fat phil would quit sending me emails on the departments email about donating cash to his slush fund!
They had the e.t. who took pictures of the lineup listed, the detective that originally was assigned the case before the kid died, and the p.o. who wrote the report along with the sgt. who signed it. What was the point of those people being listed in that article?
I love that you 3x Masters name, SCC!
James Maurer not there. IM glad
Novak and Fusco have turned the spotlight from the Daley Nephew to the Police. All 53 of 'em surely didn't do cover up....and how about the Officer who escorted the victim's body to the morgue...how much cover-up could he do?? The latest Novak And Fusco article seems to have lost it's merit....like the Reporters are just trying to keep their own names in the lime-light.
I care less about this nephew small fry and more about the son that mishandled our pension money. I WISH TO RAISE THIS QUESTION WHEN IT IS TIME TO INCREASE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PENSIONS:
Where is the pension money?
Where is the pension money?
Where is the pension money?
Where is thr pension money?
Where is the pension money?
Where?
I agree, wtf does salary, OT or pension have to do with a battery investigation? Next time i see Novak and Co on Michigan Avewhile working VRI, i'm doing a street stop saying, "you fit the description and I'm 'earning' my money".
Sun Times and Tribune:
What you publish in your respective rags holds no weight or credibility with those who are critical thinkers.
You hypocrites are quick to bash and smear police, but you lack the guts and integrity to clean up your own back yards or air your dirty laundry.
Where is the photo spread or expose on Eric. Zorn, the Trib editor and publishers , and Northwestern Innocent Project /David Prowess? You know the parties responsible for railroading and imprisoning an innocent man for fifteen years.
Where is the photo spread or expose on Rauner and the Sun Times management lackeys that forced a reporter to retire following the expose of Rauner, who not only was a part owner of the Times, but was endorsed by the Times as well.
The reason why your papers are headed for bankruptcy and failure is no intelligent reader buys into the bias lies misrepresentations that your rags regularly spew out.
I have not or will not buy either of your news rags unless I need to pick up after my dogs or wrap a dead fish.
It's not over yet Koschman's attorney's filed an appeal. What is interesting is that when a murder does occur as a detective usually the only contact you have is with your sergeant and lieutenant may the Commander but the Koschman case had over fifty people involved, nothing wrong here. WTF.
On that list also is a beat cop who got the original police call and wrote the case report. What blame does he have? Also the crew that transported the body and the north side ET who took photographs.
Anybody, it seems, who touched or looked at a report even remotely related with that case was named in the Sun-Times.
I will contact the Department tomorrow and name myself because I was working downstairs at 019 at the time and was also breathing and drawing a paycheck as a 9161 police officer. Might as well jack up that salary and pension total a bit more and it will give me a reason to jump on the lawsuit against the Sun-Times.
What total bullshit. No wonder the Sun-Times is down to 12 pages on some days.
I say let some of these jagoff bosses feel the heat. They certainly have no issue bringing in down on us for BS beefs...they all oughta be ashamed...but then they should be ashamed to pretend to be real police officers.
Masters masters masters. Luv u scc!
If they had written an article in which they spoke of the benefits that a current or retired officer was receiving that actually participated in the investigation, I'd get it. Look, I can't stand retired sergeant P.M. as much as anyone else that had the displeasure of meeting him, but to start naming the officer that took the initial report, and the supervisor that approved it is overkill. Half the names on that list had next to nothing to do with the coverup. It really made the article feel desperate as if they were grasping at straws. I agree with the Sun Times; it was terrible how this went down, but all it really does is show how good the elite of this world have it. You have idiot coppers tripping all over themselves to try and help the Daleys. SMH
Walsh should have been fired or sent to prison years ago
I am sad to see Byrne getting his name thrown into the mess that this has become. In my book he is a straight shooting cool cat who had always played by the rules. Non-clouted here.
Supt. Phil Cline — city’s top cop when Koschman was punched. Retired August 2007. Pension: $162,972.
Now heads not-for-profit Chicago Police Memorial Foundation. Pay: $115,707 in 2012.
Cline is taking $115K from the Memorial Fund in addition to his $163K pension.
According to the IRS 990 form filed by the CPMF in 2013 they took in $1.75 million
They spent
$300K in salaries
$271K in "Fundraising Expenses"
$369K in "Other Expenses"
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$940K or 53% of revenues
They provided a total of $542K in aid to officers/families or 30% of revenues
I find it amazing that a "Not for Profit" foundation manages to spend over half its revenues on salaries and expenses. Especially considering the majority of the revenues are from direct grant monies and complete volunteer run fundraising efforts by CPD members. I also find it unacceptable that it spends nearly TWICE as much on salaries and "expenses" as it actually expends in its declared purpose.
That is exactly why I will no longer donate to the fund. My money will go to the 100 Club and fundraising events for individual officers in need.
What I found ridiculous and completely pointless was them mentioning everyone they named salaries and pensions? What the Hell does that have to do with anything??
If they want to go that route why not expose the biggest fish in the coverup...Shortshanks. They could then mention the 3 government pensions he's collecting that total about $180,000.
Seems to me the Sun Times is following Rahm's orders again. RAHM wants everyone to believe that our pensions are the problem. This is a precursor of things to come when Rahm joins his buddy Bruce in an all out attack on public servants and their benefits.
Yup!
Prejudice and Inflame SCC!
"Look at all the "TAXPAYER" money all these "dirty" coppers are getting! Doesn't it PISS YOU OFF that these "greedy coppers" are getting away with THIS?"
Chicago media are a bunch of fucking cowards... This "media revelation" is a bunch of donkey dung and should have begun and ended with the clout whore bosses who ran interference.
Really hoping these so called "investigative reporters" get left out in the cold one day.
Buck naked, in a blizzard, clutching a bowl of vanilla ice cream.
Rahm is a ruthless bastard who will do anything and everything to keep pounding away with his mantra and get his way.
This will be one of many attempts to keep telling the public that our pensions are too much and need to be curtailed using his "reform".
Maggie Daley's Park, DePaul arena and countless other of Rahms pet projects..... they're not the problem according to Rahmenomics. Nope he wants the Sheeple to believe that public servants and their pensions are the problem.
This egotistical , maniacal, thieving bastard has got to be stopped.
First name should be Daley !!! Where's the bga, and zekman and L. Madigan? They couldn't find a corrupt democrat if they were in there family!
I agree. What do salaries, overtime, and pension amounts have to do with ANYTHING????
The only point is to disclose pensions and salaries. To make it look like the police are overpaid.
-U see what level of horseshit journalism we have come to??
I think the OT is something Fergy is looking at. Waste not want not, do more with less....
"After Webb wrapped up his investigation, Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration asked City Hall Inspector General Joseph Ferguson to determine whether any police officers should be disciplined for their roles in the Koschman case. Police Supt. Garry McCarthy is awaiting Ferguson’s recommendations."
Ferguson should look into this, RIGHT AFTER he is allowed to investigate aldermanic allegations.
When it comes back that there was no outright police conspiracy, or a weak 'guilt by inference' only and McCarthy rightfully does nothing, it will play right into Rham's plan to replace him right before the election. (Black or Hispanic depending what group he needs most for re-election)
Like Emmanuel was quoted as saying, 'Never let a tragedy go to waste.'
You know who will take time on this one? The dam wagon guys who took the little twerp to the morgue!
Yuck, yuck, yuck we'll blow me down!
You know who will take time on this one? The dam wagon guys who took the little twerp to the morgue!
Yuck, yuck, yuck we'll blow me down!
Notice how the focus goes from Vanecko the murderer to the investigating police and their pensions.
I don't like Phil Cline profiting from a good cause. He makes over 12K a month in pension. Greedy individual!!
Joe "Queen of Hearts" Ferguson looks disheveled in the photograph, is there EAP for the Inspector General's office ? Also, does Joe and his band of merry men know how to conduct an investigation without violating Illinois law and bargaining unit contracts ?
It's a smokescreen to shield Vanecko and the Daley machine. Instead, focusing on police and the money that they are making.
If you get enough people involved, it's hard to place blame.
rb
I say let a true unbiased investigator from somewhere south of Effingham or north of Sheboygan who cringe with anger at the mere mention of the Daley name do an investigation into this cover up and if anybody is found to have fudged something then fire them and yank their pension. Since the majority of the list is/was a boss just think of the savings. A thorough investigation will show that the paper car, sgt that approved, the ET and all the other low level people who still have a clean soul had no part in this and should be rewarded. Firing and/or losing a pension will get a few of them to start pointing the finger at who is really responsible for this. For all of you who knowingly participated, a big hearty FUCK YOU!
Sad to say but the Memorial is nothing but a slush fund for certain people. It was real slick to start it, get backers and then take over 50% of the money off the table. Nothing like almost 300k a year in retirement.
Maybe we can erect a statue to Novack and the Sun Times. They definitely have our back.
The P.O.s who responded should actually be commended, because if it was not for them, this case would have been suspended as a real "who-dun-it." The P.O.s chased down Vanecko's friends (also very clouted people) and got enough information from them that led to Vanecko.
There's no way they did anything wrong. Everything unethical (and immoral) about this case began above the D-1 pay grade.
I'd like to know why the paper trucks don't obey traffic laws and aren't being held accountable? Fuck them and start writing them tickets!
Cline's salary at CPDMF is the reason i don't donate there. I send my money to the 100 club.
Can any of the officers on that list file a defamation suit, if they indeed had nothing to do with the cover-up and were just doing what they were told to do by higher-ups?
God forbid a service related felony reach the pension board.... those guys are teflon clouted....surprise there even mentioned.
Novak and Fusco are a big disappointment...calling on 53 Police Officers to have to defend them-selves to their friends and neighbors...for what??...most had no role in the ugly thing in the first place. Tackle those who did play a role and be done with it....Identifying pension amounts and overtime pay...what does that have to do with the price of tomatoes?? Why doesn't the Sun-Times do an all out expose on how Emanuel is able to spend our money on un-necessary construction like the DePaul Stadium but can't pay out the pensions and benefits that were earned and contracted for.
It comes down to this.............a homocide was covered up because the offender was a Daley.......now they live with it.
Rauner's water carriers at the sun-times list salaries and pensions but no reference in the article by Novak or Fusco to Special Prosecutor Webb or his cohorts bill for a taxpayer funded investigation that failed to even establish a violation by CPD members of a paltry MCC violation let alone Illinois Statute.
They provided a total of $542K in aid to officers/families or 30% of revenues
I find it amazing that a "Not for Profit" foundation manages to spend over half its revenues on salaries and expenses. Especially considering the majority of the revenues are from direct grant monies and complete volunteer run fundraising efforts by CPD members. I also find it unacceptable that it spends nearly TWICE as much on salaries and "expenses" as it actually expends in its declared purpose.
That is exactly why I will no longer donate to the fund. My money will go to the 100 Club and fundraising events for individual officers in need.
11/11/2014 03:06:00 AM
This is why I have NEVER contributed to the fund. I have sent personal checks to those in need, I have donated when I know the money goes directly to the person, but I am very selective when it comes to 'funds' and 'charitable organizations'.
I don't mind administrators getting a small salary, but too many 'funds' are just ways to line the pockets of those who run them.
The only name missing is the person who stole the file, gave it Novak and then returned it by putting it on top of a file cabinet. OR Maybe the person is one of the many many names listed.
Why isn't FOP standing in front of a camera redirecting the blame where it belongs?
Boy, those reporters are slipping! They forgot to mention the coppers who stood in the line-up with Vanecko!
The point is furlough by watch will reduce yearly CPD O.T. from $100,000,000 to $99,999,999.99.
"Fifty-three people bearing some form of blame? That's a lot of blame spread pretty thin."
The Scum Times is trying to make it look like some giant conspiracy. They're a total rumor rag-what's the point of posting the salaries/retirement incomes?
Why isn't FOP standing in front of a camera redirecting the blame where it belongs?
11/11/2014 01:38:00 PM
That's a very good question.
They too can play the same game Rahm loves to play.
How can Ernie Brown be involved? There were no women connected to this case.
"Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration asked City Hall Inspector General Joseph Ferguson to determine whether any police officers should be disciplined for their roles in the David Koschman case."
Yeah, those damn, dirty, greedy police are at fault for all of this.
Another attempt by Emanuel to make us look bad for when he goes downstate to try to get out of the city's pension liabilities.
One of the worst things to ever happen to pols like him was 9-11.
People couldn't say enough good about us.
Unfortunately, most have forgotten.
rb
The rag times is Rahms bitch. No sooner is Mr. potato head booted out of office then the mighty midget has his bitch renew his agenda on public pensions.
Get ready for that lube job. The mighty midget has an 11-15 million dollar war chest right now. Re-election is a given. No candidate has that much money.It buys a lot advertising in the scum times and trib. Enough to endorse the mighty midget. Let his bitch do the work for him.
Anonymous said...
I don't like Phil Cline profiting from a good cause. He makes over 12K a month in pension. Greedy individual!!
11/11/2014 09:34:00 AM
His greediness is disgusting. I stopped contributing to that cause because of him. Like others, I give to individual officers in need.
"How can Ernie Brown be involved? There were no women connected to this case"
Bastard! Do you know that beer hurts when shot out your nose?
Deputy Supt.Hiram Grau.
the same Hiram Grau that is IS now
so, that's his connection he did the cover-up and his reward now is
Director of IL State police.
GOD Bless The Clout.
In the twisted little existence of Novak, if you are cc on a FOIA, it is newsworthy, this is the the same scumbag who seeks complaint lists against Dept members going back to 1967.
I wouldn't contribute a dime to Fat Phil's fund. You have to know his history. He escaped corruption indictment by the skin of his teeth early in his career. The fed's were vocally opposed to his appointment as Superintendent because they knew his background. When he was Supt., he took care of all his cronies. He actually promoted an patrolman who could barely read or write to Deputy Chief. That was done simply to boost his pension. So, think about that when they're talking about messing with your pension. There's a patrolman out there collecting a Dept. Chief's pension, thanks to the generosity of Phil.
Novak is a cowardly chicken-shit who willfully looked the other way on all of Daley's criminal misdeeds as the main architect of all that is wrong with Chicago...
This listing of Police pay, overtime compensation and pension compensation as some sort of fruit from the poison tree of a possible criminal conspiracy without a clearly delineated connection to the main architect (Daley) himself who has so far AVOIDED being compelled to give any statement or testimony?
The listed officers should retain counsel and sue the pants off the Sun-Times reporters and editorial board into knee knocking poverty for defamation, libel and slander.
This shit is nothing more than beating on The Police because the anal-whore media thinks The Police have rules against fighting back.
Shit or get off the fucking pot, Novak!
Use your "investigative reporting" prowess to prove Daley's connection to this sordid mess once and for all and stop this incessant trying to dirty-up The Police just because some clouted BOSSES may have intervened to short circuit a criminal investigation to protect a Daley family member.
Agreed. I used to shoot beer out my nose to make extra money. I won a lot of bets that way.
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