Math for the Doubters
A number of people posting yesterday about our "Riddle Us This" post:
- How? Do explain.
- Explain how jobs are being eliminated.
- I join in asking SCC, what is the FOP doing to eliminate 2000 jobs?
- SCC, your post is a little confusing. I am assuming that you are talking about the new schedule in 005. Just like the proposed contract settlement, some P.O.s look at the 10.5 hour schedule and think about how it would effect them in the short term. They don't look at the bigger picture. Eliminating an entire watch would require far fewer P.O.s. (I think.) I haven't seen the math but I have heard others, like you, mention that the City would get by with 2,000 less. Can anyone show how they came up with the figure of 2,000?
Well, let's start with a little history first. Our timeline might be a little off, but each of these things happened, just maybe not in the order listed.
Rahm promised...PROMISED...to hire 1,00 coppers when he got elected. As soon as he got there, he claimed to have been misquoted (he wasn't) and said he meant he would put 1,000 more coppers on the street. He promptly accomplished a third of this by disbanding a group of coppers who were....wait for it....ALREADY ON THE STREET!
The media lapped this up like a a dog goes after peanut butter. Then he started "dumping" officers out of HQ and had his paid mouthpiece McCompStat say things like "getting the most out of our manpower" and reassigning dead weight and maybe even "civilianizing" certain functions. But you still couldn't get a parking space at HQ, even before the Fire guys moved in. We personally know one guy who got "dumped" three times and he's still there. But the media loves it's peanut butter.
Shortly after this, Rahm eliminated around 1,200 budgeted spots in the Department that hadn't been filled for numerous reasons - no test, no money for a test, no money for promotions, no money for whatever. This was on top of the early 2000's where Daley wasn't hiring and we went nearly 5 years without graduating 100 total Officers per year while the last of the Vietnam guys retired to the tune of another 1,000 vacancies. That budget trick allowed Rahm to claim we were at "full strength." It was a lie.
Next, Garry combined Districts - 002/021; 019/023; 012/013. We aren't sure if it happened in each case, but the people up in 019/023 raised hell about cuts to their manpower. Garry and Rahm PROMISED that there would be no reduction in manpower. The same number of Officers would be assigned to the new district as were there before. This was in fact another lie. Eliminating one (or closing two) lockups eliminated spots. One commander slot vanished. Lieutenant spots, Sergeant spots, Officer spots, Tact spots, all of these spots disappeared. One complete office staff - gone. Not a bad thing since they run heavy, but less spots is less officers. Crime in Boystown blog has documented something like a 10-15% drop in manpower, over an area that used to have hundreds of Officers.
Now let's get to actual math. 012 and 013 had 9 beats each.
Rahm promised...PROMISED...to hire 1,00 coppers when he got elected. As soon as he got there, he claimed to have been misquoted (he wasn't) and said he meant he would put 1,000 more coppers on the street. He promptly accomplished a third of this by disbanding a group of coppers who were....wait for it....ALREADY ON THE STREET!
The media lapped this up like a a dog goes after peanut butter. Then he started "dumping" officers out of HQ and had his paid mouthpiece McCompStat say things like "getting the most out of our manpower" and reassigning dead weight and maybe even "civilianizing" certain functions. But you still couldn't get a parking space at HQ, even before the Fire guys moved in. We personally know one guy who got "dumped" three times and he's still there. But the media loves it's peanut butter.
Shortly after this, Rahm eliminated around 1,200 budgeted spots in the Department that hadn't been filled for numerous reasons - no test, no money for a test, no money for promotions, no money for whatever. This was on top of the early 2000's where Daley wasn't hiring and we went nearly 5 years without graduating 100 total Officers per year while the last of the Vietnam guys retired to the tune of another 1,000 vacancies. That budget trick allowed Rahm to claim we were at "full strength." It was a lie.
Next, Garry combined Districts - 002/021; 019/023; 012/013. We aren't sure if it happened in each case, but the people up in 019/023 raised hell about cuts to their manpower. Garry and Rahm PROMISED that there would be no reduction in manpower. The same number of Officers would be assigned to the new district as were there before. This was in fact another lie. Eliminating one (or closing two) lockups eliminated spots. One commander slot vanished. Lieutenant spots, Sergeant spots, Officer spots, Tact spots, all of these spots disappeared. One complete office staff - gone. Not a bad thing since they run heavy, but less spots is less officers. Crime in Boystown blog has documented something like a 10-15% drop in manpower, over an area that used to have hundreds of Officers.
Now let's get to actual math. 012 and 013 had 9 beats each.
- 1st Watch - 2 officers; 2nd Watch - 1 officer;3rd Watch - 2 officers
That's 5 officers per beat car per District 45 cops times 2 District equals 90 cops.
Combined they only have 15 beats in the new 012. 5 times 15 equals 75. That's a 15 man reduction in force right there...16% or so. How about the Tact teams? Do they still carry a combined 6 teams in these combo district? If not, that's 3 sergeants and 24-to-30 spots gone. Are you seeing it yet?
Now let's talk about 10.5 hour days. You have how many desk bids? Spots listed in the contract. Two shifts equals a 33% reduction in bids. How about an Area? One lockup bid for males, one for females per watch. Two shifts, that's two spots gone. Fill in the overlap with civilians and you see where this is going. How about supervisors? Each watch had 2 lieutenants, 5 bid sergeants and 2 management sergeants per watch (give or take the day lieutenant). Now you have two shifts - are those spots gone? You can't bid for a spot that doesn't exist. You can spread some out (say 7 bids per watch plus management), but you've lost spots.
Any "increase" in manpower will be temporary at best. Attrition will lessen the ranks (see 019/023) while hiring slows once again until the Department is "right sized" to what Rahm wants - something along the lines of Houston which patrols a similar sized city with just over 5,300 officers. Of course, Texas has very permissive concealed carry laws and county sheriffs picking up a bit of the overlap, so that might have something to do with their lower crime rates. Oh yeah, and a State government that doesn't hesitate to put murderers to death semi-regularly.
2,000 less coppers is a real possibility, and by their silence, the FOP is going to take blame from this quarter. The organization should be fighting to preserve every job they can, working with the city (hahahaha) when modernization presents itself, but saving what we have so far. No labor organization ever won by giving up positions. Especially if 2,000 fewer officers are paying in to a pension that's in trouble already.
Combined they only have 15 beats in the new 012. 5 times 15 equals 75. That's a 15 man reduction in force right there...16% or so. How about the Tact teams? Do they still carry a combined 6 teams in these combo district? If not, that's 3 sergeants and 24-to-30 spots gone. Are you seeing it yet?
Now let's talk about 10.5 hour days. You have how many desk bids? Spots listed in the contract. Two shifts equals a 33% reduction in bids. How about an Area? One lockup bid for males, one for females per watch. Two shifts, that's two spots gone. Fill in the overlap with civilians and you see where this is going. How about supervisors? Each watch had 2 lieutenants, 5 bid sergeants and 2 management sergeants per watch (give or take the day lieutenant). Now you have two shifts - are those spots gone? You can't bid for a spot that doesn't exist. You can spread some out (say 7 bids per watch plus management), but you've lost spots.
Any "increase" in manpower will be temporary at best. Attrition will lessen the ranks (see 019/023) while hiring slows once again until the Department is "right sized" to what Rahm wants - something along the lines of Houston which patrols a similar sized city with just over 5,300 officers. Of course, Texas has very permissive concealed carry laws and county sheriffs picking up a bit of the overlap, so that might have something to do with their lower crime rates. Oh yeah, and a State government that doesn't hesitate to put murderers to death semi-regularly.
2,000 less coppers is a real possibility, and by their silence, the FOP is going to take blame from this quarter. The organization should be fighting to preserve every job they can, working with the city (hahahaha) when modernization presents itself, but saving what we have so far. No labor organization ever won by giving up positions. Especially if 2,000 fewer officers are paying in to a pension that's in trouble already.
Labels: FOP, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
77 Comments:
The bottom line in the City has a budget and Rahm has to prioritize his big item budget expenditures. Taxes are already to high. The only thing he can do is reduce expenditures and personnel costs are one way to do it.
And you idiots who voted yes for the contract wonder why the FOP was trying to ram the contract down our throats ....what are they (fop) or will be getting in return?
In the late 90's 19 & 23 each had at least 250 officers, that's 500 officers to cover the current geography. Now the combined area has less than 300 officers, the citizens are realizing a loss of closer to 50% less officers. The 10-15% shortage number is based upon the understaffed unfilled budgeted positions (which were eliminated) at the time of the merger.
I totally agree. Look at the fire department. The city allows them 24 hour shifts because they save money. For them to go to an hour day they would have to hire 1/3rd more manpower.......
This is sad to read this info Pissed me off. what these politicians are doing isn't right. I've been wanting to be a chicago police officer since I was five years old, I pray my dream/goal in life comes true. It's sad when the city goes broke because of corrupt politicians and the feds don't indite no one Like WTF. Politicians playing with the public's safety. I'm sick of hearing how we have the same population as other cities and they have fewer cops with low crime rates, I think those cities are cooking the books, and we have a large number or illegals who I don't think the politicians count throws the population like if they don't exist. I belive chicago should at least be 15,000 strong. Instead of putting money towards parks and other stupid ass shit put it towards the safety of the people because if they don't soon chicago will become the next Detroit. 10.5 shifts is terrible I work 12 hours shifts and after 8 hours I'm beat and I don't do half of what the police do and those shifts are going to hurt the police and the people they protect. Stay safe my friends
The reduction in officers in 19/23 is actually 25% per Freedom of Information Act filings over the course of the last three years. Not too surprising, the neighborhood is going to hell with violent robberies, home invasions, sexual assaults, etc.
let me get this straight and forgive me because Im drunk, its christmas and the kids are asleep and the wife is as always looking good and sexy and ahem, Im drunk but even when im not the wife is looking good and sexy, ok focus..........I believe that by going to 2 watches they will not have to hire for years and thus reduce manpower......that being said why the hell are we piloting 10.5 HRS when we have already had 10 hrs days???? Remember a couple of years ago? We already had 10 hrs days when JFED was here. they know what works so I figure in my drunken state that they just want to work the kinks out in real time and city wide they will implement 10 hrs. now that will fuck up furloughs and such but by the end of the year if not before we all will be working ten hours except certain units including the school unit.. by the way....i was working special in two and why is 200x taking about and if memory serves me right bragging about how they get more out of what they have.....she goes on to say that they took school officers out of the schools and put them on beat cars.....i know a officer in 2 and i ask him about that and he says that since december, early december right after thanksgiving they had school officers on the street cause they are SHORT OFFICERS, DOWN MANPOWER. It got so bad that certain schools did not even have a school officer. so if CPS is paying for these officers does CPS get a refund? Also if we are not short officers as mcyesman says then why is 200x bragging about utilizing school officers by taking them out of schools or downing roving cars and putting them on beat cars? Check the sheets. Anyway MERRY CHRISTMAS. IM enjoying my 12b furlough cause I have 29 years on the job and in the top 5 of senority.
Police resources are still being stolen from tax paying areas and being put in the non tax paying ghetto areas.
This is pure theft and SCC is the only media outlet that discusses it.
When is Al Sharpton going to pay the $4.5 million dollars in back taxes he rufuses to pay the IRS?
Anyone else would be in jail for tax evasion !
Black privledge perhaps?
Well thought out article.
Enjoy the read.
Merry Christmas, SCC. Thank you and your law enforcement readership for your service.
Since August 2011 (Rahm's 3rd month as mayor), CPD total sworn officers dropped by 491 as of August 2014.
019/023 lost 27% of its total headcount between the day of the merger and Spring 2014. As of August, the shrinkage had been pared to 25%.
012/013 manpower was down more than 20% between the date of their merger and August 2014.
Efforts to secure updated head counts from the department since July have been misdirected/overlooked/forgotten repeatedly by the FOIA office.
The URL below can be copy/pasted to take you to the department's documentation of district manpower levels in October 2011, March 2014, and August 2014.
District head counts include officers who are detailed out to other units. In 019, approximately 16% of assigned officers are detailed out—and 5% are assigned to the city's smallest beat: 1926, which patrols 4228 N. Hermitage.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwd1fDFhwSLYZ3NTeFJRUmlYSnc/edit
http://www.cwbchicago.com/
I do not care for the fact that PO's voted for Dean Sr/Jr. They love the 10.5 hour day so It's gonna happen. The membership voted for people that don't have a clue of how to run a union that protects jobs.
We let them get away with it? Because we do not stick together.
SCC, the entire city and this whole department runs on fuzzy math.
Number of new hires. Number of retirees. Health insurance premiums. Cost overruns on EVERY infrastructure repair/addition, pet project and connected contract. Pension contributions/obligations met by the City. Percentage to 'Pass' Part One of the Sergeants Test. Percentages allowed for merit promotions. Number of officers allowed compensatory time off. Furlough extensions. Padded OT slips for the chosen. OT budget for VRI. Length of Medical/IOD incidents. Federal funding for TOSPOT. CPS schools closed and teachers laid off. And on, and on, and on...
Numbers and math mean absolutely nothing here. They are merely suggestions and starting points meant to be interpreted on per-case basis.
The Daley Crime Syndicate Family and now Rahm and Company just hope you're not smart enough to notice.
The titanic has sunk people. There will be no fixing it.
"District head count INCLUDES officers detailed out. In 019 approximately 16% of officers are detailed out."
This means they are counting 16% of officers that are not there. Those officers are working in some unit somewhere else, but they still count in 019?
'Detailed Out" was always the way the department skirted the issue of manpower, moving "their guy". Some people have been detailed to units for years - shorting the district because the district can't fill a detailed out spot.
It is a pilot program. I agree the starting times suck. However, if members bid in for the 10.5 hour day it is their option. My vision is that the CPD do something comparable to the LAPD. From what I understand, the LAPD offers several scheduling options. For example, some stations have the 12 hour day, others have the 10 hour day, and some have the 8 hour day. A system such as this provides officers options to pick a schedule that allows the individual officer to select a schedule conducive to them. This would help to dramatically increase employee moral.
Don't worry about manpower. Deputy Chief Marv S. from Support Services has ensured that 13 more able-bodied POs have been assigned to the Court Section in recent months. Do you feel safer now?
Rahm is good with numbers and even better at intimidating the media. That's all you need.
>>>Craig said...
The reduction in officers in 19/23 is actually 25% per Freedom of Information Act filings over the course of the last three years. Not too surprising, the neighborhood is going to hell with violent robberies, home invasions, sexual assaults, etc.
12/25/2014 12:54:00 AM<<<
And still they will vote for Rahm, or at best stay home.
Get mad, no Get very MAD, GET MAD AS HELL!!
Vote Rahm and the Demo-Communists out.
The answer is a federal nationwide national police force. Then the City would not have to pay and support the police with City taxpayer $$. Instead the feds would pick up tab for all cops nationwide. We should as soon as possible began disbanding all local and state law enforcement agencies, replacing them with a single federal force.
One more point in your comparison between Houston and Chicago: Texas has a working court system.
Take some of the 4 fat asses who work the desk on 3rd watch in 017 , who watch TV and eat their entire shift out in the street!!! 017 isn't that busy . The bosses always telling us at roll call about how short we are and how everyone needs to sacrifice - look at your Damn desk !!!
Old Retired Guy Here........Again !!
This is the way my old and feeble mind is reading this. I welcome your feedback. The "Powers to Be" do not want a pro-active Police Force. They want a Police Force that simply response to issues. A pro-active Police Force is way too expensive. They consider the victims of violent crimes expendable. Way to expensive, and problematic to chase down offenders, and charge them. They only wind up in law suits later on. With all the recent events, I believe this logic is being reinforced.Bottom line is More Police Only leads to more problems, and expense.
Somebody should remind Dean that no labor organization has ever won anything after surrendering seniority rights! This goof has sold us out for junior 's sake. No labor organization has won anything when giving up before the contract fight even started. What was the true story Dean why we has to ratify the contract before Rham's run for re-election. 9.5 just upped minimum wage so our raise was way less than that. Did junior need his promotion before your one and done term. How do you look at yourself? You could have argued and fought for us but since you are retired your only looking out for yours. To have ballet boy in a position that shows the citizens we support him .
You just gave him
1. more credit that we support him
2. More ability to screw us
3. A way smaller dog in the next contract
fight.
Dyla Hata
What ever taxes Al Sharpton owes will never be paid. Please he has used the white house as his motel over 81 times within the last five years. Yet veterans and their families are shunned by the resident illegal alien and his lying (target story of racism) cheating (on the board of a hospital and worked two days over a two year span for $150,000 a year) conniving (Chicago residence bought through grant money via Tony rezko) wife who published her own racist views in college thesis. How ashamed are we?
Dyla Hata
The City and its leaders are not doing us any favors. They should be reducing the amount of hours we work in a day, they negotiated this 200hr furlough deal, our contract says 25 Straight days off and I'm giving back 12.5 hrs on day 25. A day off is a day off whether it's a 3hr or 8.5hr work day.
Bean counting pencilnecks have been at work for years to come up with little schemes to take away benefits and manipulate statistics.
I'd be happy if they eliminate the partime aldermen or get them to work an 8.5 day.
We are going on the ten hour day and in 005 we won't lose one spot. Actually we will get more time off so don't hate.
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memories of the past method of policing!
FOP Tools clearing the way for the communist Obama National Security Force? Think it's crazy? Think again. Who's paid off? Everyone in Chiraq, FOP too.
Now let McCarthy dump all commanders that are hiding full duty officers inside or phony foot posts .
Time to merge 20 and 24 , way to many house cats , merge crime lab with detective division , does cpd need extra office police and commander , train et's , fi's to not only process but investigate crimes . we need the help in detective division . A beat car can inventory most evidence and detectives can take pictures
Crime In Boystown said...
Merry Christmas, SCC. Thank you and your law enforcement readership for your service.
Since August 2011 (Rahm's 3rd month as mayor), CPD total sworn officers dropped by 491 as of August 2014.
019/023 lost 27% of its total headcount between the day of the merger and Spring 2014. As of August, the shrinkage had been pared to 25%.
012/013 manpower was down more than 20% between the date of their merger and August 2014.
Efforts to secure updated head counts from the department since July have been misdirected/overlooked/forgotten repeatedly by the FOIA office.
The URL below can be copy/pasted to take you to the department's documentation of district manpower levels in October 2011, March 2014, and August 2014.
District head counts include officers who are detailed out to other units. In 019, approximately 16% of assigned officers are detailed out—and 5% are assigned to the city's smallest beat: 1926, which patrols 4228 N. Hermitage.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwd1fDFhwSLYZ3NTeFJRUmlYSnc/edit
http://www.cwbchicago.com/
12/25/2014 02:02:00 AM
Joravsky & Company, are you paying attention??
That Walmart greeter seems more and more likely now twenty eight down one year and a day to go!
An interested observer wonders:
-As we are in the throes of the Baby Boomers retiring, I imagine that more than 2,000 officers who retire each year. One presumes that most of these officers are not replaced.
-There is a number of officers who quit for various reasons. This is not a large number. Are they replaced?
-As officers are promoted into management, are they replaced?
Thank you SCC for the math. And if you want to blame the FOP for this remember that the contract has had since the beginning a clause on manpower giving that whole thing to the city/department.
They place manpower where they want when they want. Combine districts, theirs to do. Beats theirs to do. The FOP gets no say in hiring. We are lucky top have a say in firing.
So while it is nice to say that the FOP is behind the loss of 2000 officers. Most of it is beyond their control. Trying the 10.5 hour day may, repeat may, lead to a reduction in the number of POs, but to say that the FOP is responsible is disingenuous at best.
The suburbs alread work 12 hour days, it is a way to do the job with little man power, be prepared to work a lot of weekends. As I mentioned earlier, in reality his is already in motion. CPD is over staffed. In relation to NYPD, LAPD, Albaquerquee (2000 cops to 1 million people). The population of chicago is not proportion to the police force. This is coming from a guy who worked shitholes during on midnights. 5 years, those body cams will change the game.
Population of Chicago is 2.5 million to 12500 cops. LAPD is 4 million to 9000 cops. Back in 60s chicago population wise was 3.7 million to 5000 cops. And the same ole bullshit was going on. Honestly, why do u need more cops, when you call the police, u get some dumb ass to go to your house during a domestic and ask "well what do you want me to do?" Society does not expect this. Police play by societies expectations.
Cops and firemen reside in certain wards and areas of the city, a city most hate by the way. I feel for the bullshit you go through but right now there is a war going on, pitting the public against cops and firemen. We need to band together to place someone in office that will tell the fucking truth and hire appropriate number of personnel. This is bullshit. The money is there. Stop taking the damn overtime and pressure for new hires.
Terrible for the pension.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And you idiots who voted yes for the contract wonder why the FOP was trying to ram the contract down our throats ....what are they (fop) or will be getting in return?
12/25/2014 12:12:00 AM
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Mike, Bliiy D., Kevin, 9.5 hat size (Mark), Darren, Jimmy the tapper, take your shoe shine box and just go away.
Billy D. for a guy who called SCC a cancer you guys seem to post a lot..
If the courts rule you guys screwed Shields and award him more than 10 cents then all of a-holes should be expelled from FOP. Welcome to the party pal!
012 has lost 50+ officers this year. Most bid out when there were openings in north side districts. 013 officers living up north didn't like the longer drive.
First, the police cannot force the citizens of Chicago to hire police. No matter how much they complain.
Second, a change in work schedules does not decrease the need to staff. Consider the city pays a certain number of officers to work every hour. Whether an 8 or 10 hour shift, it makes no difference, the same number of officers are required. If police work a longer shift then another officer must cover their additional time off.
Third, the police do not control staffing levels. They have no power over the choices of their politician-employers. What they can do is choose to enforce laws or they can avoid conflict by doing nothing. That is the only power they have.
Thank you SCC for the math. And if you want to blame the FOP for this remember that the contract has had since the beginning a clause on manpower giving that whole thing to the city/department.
They place manpower where they want when they want. Combine districts, theirs to do. Beats theirs to do. The FOP gets no say in hiring. We are lucky top have a say in firing.
So while it is nice to say that the FOP is behind the loss of 2000 officers. Most of it is beyond their control. Trying the 10.5 hour day may, repeat may, lead to a reduction in the number of POs, but to say that the FOP is responsible is disingenuous at best.
You're welcome.
However, does the FOP have a pulpit? Do they have a spokesperson (better than Dean)? Do they have access to the media types? Do they have an internet connections?
We here at SCC have all that and we built the blog from the ground up so cops would have a place to blow off steam - and we did it as a hobby. The FOP has way more resources than we do and a ton more money. They have power, they just don't use it for the good of the members. Media won't cover your story? Self Publish It.
We seem to recall stories about an entire watch sitting out and not deploying until certain changes were made that they wanted. Fair things. We recall wives of officers putting unheard of pressure on a mayor to get two-man cars up following some assassinations of one-man assignments.
The absence of action is blame worthy in many endeavors. This happens to be one of them.
Houston officer here... We are understaffed, but at least we have the Harris County Sheriff and Constables to help.
And you idiots who voted yes for the contract wonder why the FOP was trying to ram the contract down our throats ....what are they (fop) or will be getting in return?
12/25/2014 12:12:00 AM
Risks of arbitration would be far worse!
that the contract has had since the beginning a clause on manpower giving that whole thing to the city/department.
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The contract offered to the teachers prior to the strike had a similar clause. Our union published and made sure to inform its members of such clause. The clause was basically a paragraph saying that every thing in the contract was null and void if the cps or city did not have resources or did not deem appropriate.
I know cops cannot go on strike but I remember many on here saying vote the contract down. I say blame fop and people who voted for the money. You got the money, with the shit taxed out of it, and gained the man power clause.
The city is going to shit. Politicians cater more to the illegals than to veterans of WWII. State is financially ruined. Ruaner is way over his head.
If there's a copper on this gig that actually believes in FOP 7 I'd B shocked & saddened. I personally watch the membership get tossed to the back burner while BD busted his right nut trying to stay a high ranking official in FOP 7.
U call down there for a legit question & they make U feel like U'r putting them out. I stopped any query to the FOP 7 cuz I don't think they don't give a shit about the street copper.
>>>Anonymous said...
The answer is a federal nationwide national police force. Then the City would not have to pay and support the police with City taxpayer $$. Instead the feds would pick up tab for all cops nationwide. We should as soon as possible began disbanding all local and state law enforcement agencies, replacing them with a single federal force.
12/25/2014 08:05:00 AM<<<
Stay off our blog troll....
I don't want national dictatorship
Worked in the old 019 B4 the merge. Rosebrock, Kenny, and when the merge took place Eli. None of these Field Marshals were able to do jack shit about robberies or burglaries. It's a violent criminal's paradise with lackluster supervision.
1st watch secretary runs the watch & for whatever reason the Lts & Sgts were scared to speak up. I'm quoting a former 1st watch Lt......"Midnights R unbearable in 019!"
That's the truth.
Mike Ryan is the farthest thing to a administrator. He ruined 019 & left Eli holding a bag of shit.
To my bros & sisters in 024, I'm so sorry U got stuck w/suck a HACK. Remember this to shall pass. Don't laugh U'r nuts off when "Iron Mike" makes an attempt at a big word. Copastetick is how "Iron Mike" says it. Ull laugh like hell at his mental midgetry.
U'r not allowed to look "Iron Mike" in the eyes either cuz of his major insecurities
Good Luck w/that. The best advice I've heard in dealing w/Iron Mike was from a seasoned Sgt. He told me to deal w/em like he was a psych patient. He flipped on me once for asking for CU, but started throwing shit all over the W/C's office. While I was watching this I couldn't help but think all the shit he was destroying was his personal property
Anonymous said...
An interested observer wonders:
-As we are in the throes of the Baby Boomers retiring, I imagine that more than 2,000 officers who retire each year. One presumes that most of these officers are not replaced.
-There is a number of officers who quit for various reasons. This is not a large number. Are they replaced?
-As officers are promoted into management, are they replaced?
12/25/2014 11:42:00 AM
Agreed in the first phase of 55 and out due oct 01 2014 we had 109 officers they it was allowed expanded to dec 01 2014 how many more signed up? Hey fop dean hello! That does not count the mandatory retirements and coppers who are fed up and go before 55 years old any raw numbers deano?? You know for the boys and girls like you said in your pathetic rebuttal!!
There were 75 capts now 23, there were 230 liues now 170, there were 1300 sgts now 1100, there were 1230 D2a positions now 950. You add up how many blue shirts are never gonna get promoted.
If they dont need more man power I guess they can do away with VRI. If we start the federal police force Im bidding out of the city.
Build us beds in the station and lets dispatch us like firemen my beat in16 never has jobs after 11
Why do you think that 12 hour shifts = "be ready to work a lot of weekends"? Every other weekend I get off work Friday at 6am and go back Monday at 6pm. I work far fewer weekends than any city cop.
- a suburban cop
RAHM is a very slippery, evil prick.
There's little doubt his plans are for our ranks to continue to thin out and dwindle.
There were 75 capts now 23, there were 230 liues now 170, there were 1300 sgts now 1100, there were 1230 D2a positions now 950. You add up how many blue shirts are never gonna get promoted
Um your can keep the promotion. Who would want it? All the new Sgts want is the pay. But they don't want the responsibility.
Dineen, Nolan, Donahue, Sparky and now Dean.
All lined their pockets. All sold us out.
Why you ask? Because nobody stops them. We don't stick together. I remember calling into FOP several times and getting the Scare Crow
( Rich Agiulara ) on the phone. He would act all tough over his speaker phone. You could here him giggle in the back round.
This is why I pay monthly dues. Id like to see you do that to my face Rich!
Until we stand together... grease your bungholes. Just think, and this was said to me over Xmas dinner. Everybody BLUE nation wide. Call in sick for 3 days.
Let's see if we are needed or not? We could treated fairly if we wanted to.
SCC said:
"Especially if 2,000 fewer officers are paying in to a pension that's in trouble already."
THAT is the golden nugget of the story...
And not just CPD, a lot of suburban PD's are doing the same thing.....
Getting promoted will get a lot harder. This sucks.
This is all a prelude to the big battle after the mayoral election. The battle over the pension and how the pols will cut it back.
Just take a read of Deano's past FOP newsletter article regarding the City Council approval of the contract that he and his team "negotiated".
"To say that it was impressive to have listened to the more than
several accolades given to us by the elected representatives of the
City Council..."
Hey Deano, why do you think you got accolades? Because the contract was good for us? Or, because it was good for the City?
And now this decision to forge ahead on a work schedule without any input from the membership? Just whose side is our fearless leader on? If junior gets promoted, you've got your answer.
Let's call in sick. I'm not kidding. One of my Lts told me the pendulum swings both ways. That Lt was a cool guy too, but when is it going 2B enough. Let's show this God 4 Saken City just how badly police presence is needed. We're being treated like the person the redheaded step child pisses on. Even the red headed step child views us as ignorant chumps to quote Patrick Daley.
Let's send a CLEAR message to those that think they can order us 2 do their bidding.....
Someone let the Dogs out. They'll show where truth is. The grass is always greener where the Dogs are shitting
-Cornell C
"Until we stand together... grease your bungholes. Just think, and this was said to me over Xmas dinner. Everybody BLUE nation wide. Call in sick for 3 days."
If I call in "sick" can I still work VRI? No VRI would make me BLUE.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dineen, Nolan, Donahue, Sparky and now Dean.
???????
So what's the answer? Make you the next president because you are smarter than everyone else?
get a life.
To everyone saying that LAPD, Houston, etc do the same job with less officers in proportion to the size of their city, keep in mind that in LA for example they have the CHP and LA county sheriffs helping much more than ISP or CCS help CPD.
It's tough getting promoted now...imagine if we get down to 8,000 or 5,000 total force. 21 more years for me :(
What about the two intoxicated female coppers working the Bears game while assigned there ? After the game did they get in their own personal cars and drive to the next tavern or home ? Who was supervising them ? Or are they just allowed like so many other cops on this job to do what ever they want ? Maybe they need to be n a program or push a beat car somewhere in a real district !!!
A few years back all the young coppers wanted 10 hour days! What happened finally wake up?
Ten hour days are amazing had them in 25 when we did the pilot program
It's very simple. Government is on many levels a confidence game. The idea is to collect money for "services" and then not provide them or provide them poorly.
There were 75 capts now 23, there were 230 liues now 170, there were 1300 sgts now 1100, there were 1230 D2a positions now 950. You add up how many blue shirts are never gonna get promoted.
12/25/2014 06:34:00 PM
There's 800 at D2A... Where did you get that number?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Getting promoted will get a lot harder. This sucks.
Maybe for you. But the clouted ones will still go right up the ladder like nothing has changed.
There were 75 capts now 23, there were 230 liues now 170, there were 1300 sgts now 1100, there were 1230 D2a positions now 950. You add up how many blue shirts are never gonna get promoted
Um your can keep the promotion. Who would want it? All the new Sgts want is the pay. But they don't want the responsibility.
12/26/2014 02:39:00 AM
Why else would you want to be promoted except for the pay? A Sgts job is to make sure you do yours. If you would like more supervision, let your supervisor know.
You work 5 your off
Monday - Tuesday - Wednesday
You work 5 your off
Tuesday - Wednesday - Thursday
You work 5 your off
Wednesday - Thursday - Friday
You work 5 your off
Thursday - Friday - Saturday - Sunday
You work 4 your off
Friday - Saturday - Sunday - Monday
Your work 4 your off
Saturday - Sunday - Monday - Tuesday
You work 5 the process at top again
We did 10hr tours a few years back in 010 district. Dont let anyone fool you 10hr days suck! 50hrs in 5 days is brutal if youre working a beat car all you do is sleep and work for 5 days straight. If you are working in a specialized unit or a tac team where they take care of you it might not be too bad. But if youre in a blue and white fogetaboutit. SUCKS!!!!!!
K.O.S
10 hr tours!? If you have back issues now youre going to have major back problems after doing 10hr tours. If you dont have back issues now just wait for the 10hr tours, you will.
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