A Tale of Two Lawsuits
One ending:
- A federal jury Wednesday sided with two Chicago police officers in the 2011 fatal shooting of a motorist in spite of a dispatch recording that suddenly surfaced in the middle of the trial that appeared to cast doubt on the officers' version of events.
Attorneys had sought up to $10 million in damages on behalf of the estate of Darius Pinex, 27, who was killed by Officers Raoul Mosqueda and Gildardo Sierra after they pulled his car over on Chicago's South Side more than four years ago.
The eight-member panel, which deliberated about seven hours over two days, also declined to award any damages to a passenger in the car, Matthew Colyer, who was wounded in the shooting.
While the jury's verdict was a clear vindication for the officers, the case may be far from over. U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang, who has ripped city attorneys for not producing the dispatch recording before the trial, has given the go-ahead for a full investigation into how the rules breach occurred and whether any sanctions should be imposed.
- The family of a 19-year-old man who was shot dead by Chicago Police in August filed a federal lawsuit against the city Wednesday, saying it’s the only way they’ll be able to find out the truth about how Roshad McIntosh died.
McIntosh was killed by police in the North Lawndale neighborhood on Aug. 24, after police say he pointed a gun at officers who were responding to a call of armed men.
But McIntosh’s mother, Cynthia Lane, says neither police nor the Independent Police Review Authority have told her anything about her son’s death in the nearly seven months since he was killed. She has consistently disputed authorities’ version of events, previously led a march on City Hall and has become a face of protests against police brutality.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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expect the second one to end just like the first one... actually, I dont see the second one even getting to trial. It will get tossed and never see the light of day after depositions are given. the city will file a motion and it will get tossed by summery judgement. One of the better shootings Ive seen forensically and will sit great with a jury.. Its a plaintiffs lawyers worst nightmare. 4 years of litigation and a goose egg at trial. It hurts. Also, the one that was in the cities favor today cost plaintiffs attornies somewhere in the neighborhood of 400-700 thousand easily. 3 hot shot big name lawyers at 400-550 an hour. several other lawyers behind the scenes, para legals, paperwork filings, experts, transcripts, private investigators, depositions, trials, preps, appearances and the list goes on and on and on. Those lawyers today took a very very big hit. I love it.
He was an apprentice gunsmith for cryin out loud
"So if cops respond to a call of an armed man, find an armed man, shoot and kill an armed man with an extensive background of gun crimes and recover a weapon..."
...It merely means that racist police murdered another unarmed, promising black youth, shot him in the back when he was just about to open all of his different acceptance letters from colleges...
No more hot chips for them..
The Evil, Fascist Police and State's Attorneys refuse to tell that poor woman what she wants to hear. If they only agreed that poor little Rashad may have made a few mistakes, but he was turning his life around. After all, she raised him right.
Bottom line is don't point firearms at the police not expecting to be shot by the police. Chicago Public School officials should create a course on this topic and have it be a mandatory study grades K thru 12.
Maybe Common Core should include it in its testing.
OT..Rahm Campaign strategy 1.0... I am 'The Boss.'
Rahm Campaign strategy 2.0... I am 'The Jerk.'
I never understood how juries cannot understand that it is their tax money they are giving these criminals.
Well it helps when the bottom feeding attorneys fight over who gets to file the lawsuit against the city. It's kind of like big colleges going in th ghetto to recruit kids for there programs. In this case lawyers from big firms go knocking on the door making promises of big paydays.
Can you say "Ghetto Lottery" the city the past has been quick to give our money away, but yet has none for the police pensions! Liberalism is destroying this country, the freebies to the non- producers must stop, but as long as the elected rats see a vote they will give away all the money that is the taxpayers! Watched rahms commercial what a bunch of lies, he has a history of lying from where he lives to his promise to fund pensions, from closing schools to giving out friends and family contracts for new buildings!
Momma got'sta know did the Police only fire five or six...
Just found out how great our mayor is.
http://www.rahmsaccomplishments.com/
Any one who has a commercial about how nobody likes him GOTZ to go.
"But after claiming a copy of the radio dispatch didn't exist, attorneys for the city suddenly turned over the recording after Mosqueda's testimony last week. On the tape, the dispatcher did not mention the car being involved in a shooting or that the occupants could be armed and dangerous. In addition, the license plate read over the air did not match Pinex's vehicle."
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Great job to all officers involved. Idiot families are still in denial of their loser family members and/or just trying to hit the ghetto lottery.
They didn't care about their baby until he got killed by the police. When he's worth money from a lawsuit, they never loved him more.
$20 Million should be good enough for "Mom" I bet
Radio dispatched tape doesn't help the court nor did it help the police during the incident because the wrong plate and veh,means Great police work on the part of catching the bad guy and all the events that occured won't change the outcome.
The Corp attorney, Jordan Marsh, defended me in a suit last year and he is a very skilled attorney. Nice job.
A mother shouldn't have to worry about her son being shot every time he goes out with a gun to pull off some shit. Poleese trained to take dat gun away widout killing a man. Taser the motherfucker but don't be killing him. If dat be a white man they arrest him alive sho nuff. White privilege again.
The minute he hit the ground, he was no longer her son, he was her meal ticket. Someone should ask her if she went to court with him in the past. If she asked for help for her son, like maybe a diversion program, or insist that he went to boot camp, or made him get up for school or made sure that he had good meals and helped him with his homework. I'm going to guess....no. But NOW she cares.
Fucking crocodile tears.
This is off topic SCC but should be addressed. Rahm was hand picked by the machine and Daley to cover up and protect what Daley did in office. Also to protect the $2,000,000,000.00 TIF money skimmed from our tax dollars ( like in the movie casino) to be given to connected businesses and contractors for both monetary and political gain. Remember a vote for Chuy is a vote against Rahm and also against Daley and possibly exposing the years of theft committed by the machine and Richie.....
I wonder how much money they turned down in pre-trial offer.
With Sierra's name attached to the suit I'm sure it was a generous offer.
HaHa fucking Ha, fuck you scumbag lawyers
Chuy promises to end red light camera program after hearing about Rahms connection to lobbyist
A thousand humorous comments can be made but after all is said and done, "You cannot teach a shoe to tie itself."
Greenberg is a criminal attorney. He was way out of his depth on this one. Hubris. Hats off to the City for having the guts to take this one all the way. That's really the only way to deter these shitbird city suers. They have to get hit hard in the pockets a few times. For a while, the money was just too easy to get. I don't know who'ss repsonsible for the policy change but, as a taxpayer and citizen, I'm very glad. This is one for the good guys.
Great Job by Jordan Marsh ACC. He does a great job defending us.
i know both police officers great cops great work and im glad they beat the case
I am not condoning the law suit, but for some reason, as a parent, I can see mom's concerns. ( and there is no information out there that I know about to indicate the mother was not a good parent). Maybe, just maybe, someone from the department should sit down with the family and tell them what happened. Maybe that was not done. There is no reason to give the parents the names of the officers involved. If the family will not accept the official version then let them sue.Which, by the way, if money is the only motive they would do anyway. Thinking like a parent and not a cop.
Not everyone wins the ghetto lottery.
The minute he hit the ground, he was no longer her son, he was her meal ticket. Someone should ask her if she went to court with him in the past. If she asked for help for her son, like maybe a diversion program, or insist that he went to boot camp, or made him get up for school or made sure that he had good meals and helped him with his homework. I'm going to guess....no. But NOW she cares.
Fucking crocodile tears.
Oh, those tears are real. She's thinking about the check with all those zeros she will never see. The RARE ghetto lottery loser in Chicago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just found out how great our mayor is.
http://www.rahmsaccomplishments.com/
Any one who has a commercial about how nobody likes him GOTZ to go.
3/05/2015 07:54:00 AM
Especially when that commercial airs every ten minutes on every local channel.
I hope it's costing him MILLIONS to keep showing it constantly.
Here's the red light story from the ST, http://t.co/T6HWXZx3N8
Polk County Florida Sherriff Grady Judd, January 16 2015:
"There is no politically correct in a gun fight. There's nothing about politically correct when you are keeping people alive and well and safe. And the people of this community and these officers come first. If people surrender peacefully, that's the way that we prefer it. You start pointing guns at us, you can not only plan on, but you can guarantee that we are going to shoot you".
We ARE NOT targets.
The Corp Counsels office has a unit that deals only with Federal Court. They handled my defense in the Federal Appellate Court after we won in the Federal District Court. We won both times. A lawyer from Loevy & Loevy believed asshole and funded the whole thing. They didn't get a dime from the City per direction of Jody Weiss. It was a beautiful thing knowing those jackals got nothing.
Off topic:
FOP Has a survey..
Who should WE pick for Mayor?
www.surveymonkey.com/s/FOPmayoralsurvey
I have to say it's like changing a diaper.. put "Chewy".. have him get indicted.. put the next clown in.
I fucking hate lawyers. Legitimate medical malpractice cases get passed on ALL the time, yet if one of these ghetto rats get shot, they're knocking on doors. They're literally the scum of the earth.
Yes ,but opportunity has availed itself to a lot of people generation upon generation and some communities are with opportunity and some not, some are poverty stricken and some not ,everyone's not a drug dealer and some are trying to do better for themselves in these run down poverty stricken dope dealing areas,where many won't live or even drive through is a condemnation of opportunity and the giving up on an entire race,for a few desperate fools that choose the criminal way of life,please be careful judging an entire race and community,some of the blame is where it belongs,entitled, opportunity upon generations and control in this funky city!
from mom's actions its clear that mom is a crack head only logical inference.
Similar to Michael Brown's mom in Fergurson, MO this crack head of a mom also filed a civil lawsuit against Darren Wilson after Wilson was cleared by the local and federal authorities of any wrong doings.
"BREAKING NEWS"
YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST. THE FOP UNION HAS MET WITH RAHM ON TUESDAY DURING A UNION BOARD MEETING. IT IS ALEDGED THAT AN UNKNOWN PO WITH TIES TO ALDERMAN SUAREZ HAD INFORMED THE MAYOR OF THE MEETING. THE MEETING ENDED GUARANTEEING RAHM THEIR ENDORSEMENT. THE FOP WILL BE GOING THROUGH A PROCEDURE TO POLL THEIR MEMBERS. STAY TUNE.
Anonymous said...
This is off topic SCC but should be addressed. Rahm was hand picked by the machine and Daley to cover up and protect what Daley did in office. Also to protect the $2,000,000,000.00 TIF money skimmed from our tax dollars ( like in the movie casino) to be given to connected businesses and contractors for both monetary and political gain. Remember a vote for Chuy is a vote against Rahm and also against Daley and possibly exposing the years of theft committed by the machine and Richie.....
3/05/2015 11:20:00 AM
Rahm isn't warm and fuzzy but is that what you want in a leader? I want someone who will get the job done. We can't afford to have an inexperienced leader leading the city. Rahm isn't perfect but he is tough and takes no prisoners.
3/05/2015 10:27:00 AM
Good for you. Because the majority of the attorneys are not competent.
Don't settle it, Hashtag it.
#DeadLivesMatter.
You know, it's for the families and attorneys.
OT cop shot in North Philly shootout.
Chuy promises to end red light camera program after hearing about Rahms connection to lobbyist
Easier said than done They had long term contracts. He can say all he wants to do, little he can do. Remember Rahm with the parking meter contract He couldnt do a thing and also with a few other things Daley implemented that screwed us Its all talk
They were offered over 4 Million by the city and they turned it down to go on trial.
Sounds to me like Cynthia Lane and People’s Law Office need to meet the most severe sanctions that Federal Rule 11 of Civil Procedure, "Rule 11," has to offer, in order to properly deter their continued improper filings.
The sanction issued must be such that it deters continued frivolous filings with the courts.
Smith, Johnson & Antholt is probably crying at this point in time; maybe even discussing their own financial solubility. Their bad decision in filing this case that was proven to lack substance cost them big money. I only hope they have learned a lesson about their own actions in this.
Mama has no interest in the truth. Only dollar signs.
Greenberg is a criminal attorney. He was way out of his depth on this one. Hubris. Hats off to the City for having the guts to take this one all the way. That's really the only way to deter these shitbird city suers. They have to get hit hard in the pockets a few times. For a while, the money was just too easy to get. I don't know who'ss repsonsible for the policy change but, as a taxpayer and citizen, I'm very glad. This is one for the good guys.
3/05/2015 12:17:00 PM
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Well, when I had lawsuits pending I couldnt wait for the city to just settle the things and get rid of them. Its very easy for you and the others to say take it all the way and fight all cases and go to trial. Whens the last time you were sued? Have you been sued? Im guessing you either have never been sued, always had your cases settled or its been a long long time that you forgot the feeling of what happens throughout the process. Feel free to settle any time im sued. Dont care for a second about the "ghetto lottery". its part of the game and sometimes its not worth the headache of dealing with... especially with work stuff.. work enters the personal life when a lawsuit happens. No thanks, settle.
OT..Rahm Campaign strategy 1.0... I am 'The Boss.'
Rahm Campaign strategy 2.0... I am 'The Jerk.'
3/05/2015 03:48:00 AM
He is like a little rocket!!
Chicago Courts need to get some Continuing Legal Education into Federal Civil Rule 11!
Maybe if they performed their duty, we wouldn't have to pay for the efforts to defend frivolous law suits.
Lawyers take care of each other and make taxPAYERS pay! It's just immoral.
What the media doesn't ever explain in their narratives is the fact that officers are allowed due process.
Just like a citizen, police officers are allowed to remain silent, IPRA has to remain silent, and OPS has to remain silent until their investigation's are finished--that can even lead through a civil trial.
The media, typically Eric Zorn, likes to use this due process issue as a "blue wall of silence" in order to shift a reader into thinking that there's a cover up or a conspiracy.
The failure of the modern journalist is that they are very aware of this, yet continue to use it in order create a mythical perception that the cops are bent on cover ups.
It's a shame that even the best reporters are conforming and adapting to the style of reporting in the Huffington Post.
Just an opinion.
Way to go! Keep fighting these BS lawsuits. The rats will have to learn to WORK if they want more cheese. Forward at the half step!
Rahm isn't warm and fuzzy but is that what you want in a leader? I want someone who will get the job done. We can't afford to have an inexperienced leader leading the city. Rahm isn't perfect but he is tough and takes no prisoners.
3/05/2015 04:27:00 PM
Glance at Mr. Garcia's resume for a minute. He's a Cook County Commissioner and he's been around the block a few times. He's a former Chicago alderman, Illinois State Senator and now floor leader at the County. He's no novice.
Well, when I had lawsuits pending I couldnt wait for the city to just settle the things and get rid of them. Its very easy for you and the others to say take it all the way and fight all cases and go to trial. Whens the last time you were sued? Have you been sued? Im guessing you either have never been sued, always had your cases settled or its been a long long time that you forgot the feeling of what happens throughout the process. Feel free to settle any time im sued. Dont care for a second about the "ghetto lottery". its part of the game and sometimes its not worth the headache of dealing with... especially with work stuff.. work enters the personal life when a lawsuit happens. No thanks, settle.
3/05/2015 10:25:00 PM
I was sued for over nine million in federal court. It was four years til it ended and yes, it weighs on you.
But, do I want to see my ever-rising real estate taxes go up in a puff of settlement smoke? No, I do not. I want my real estate tax dollars to fill potholes and take my trash away and provide a decent quality of life in this city.
My view is fight every damned frivolous suit that comes down the pipe and teach the leeches, both the plaintiffs AND their attorneys, that it isn't worth suing the city anymore.
"I am not condoning the law suit, but for some reason, as a parent, I can see mom's concerns. ( and there is no information out there that I know about to indicate the mother was not a good parent). Maybe, just maybe, someone from the department should sit down with the family and tell them what happened. Maybe that was not done. There is no reason to give the parents the names of the officers involved. If the family will not accept the official version then let them sue.Which, by the way, if money is the only motive they would do anyway. Thinking like a parent and not a cop."
I think like a parent all the time, first and foremost not to let my kid become a piece of shit. Not to work that extra side job, or go out with the guys. I spend time with my kids and show them the love they need to grow and develop. That's the morale of the story. If his parents taught him right, and showed them the love they ought to have, this doesn't even happen. When the streets raise the kids, this is the outcome.
Much like rahm vs chuy. I don't like either of them. But I have to take issue with chuy and his kid. If he can't raise his son right and not become a gang bangin police fighter. he was too busy to be a parent and focused on his political ambitions, instead of what was really important, how can he be trusted to run a big city. Like it or not, rahm is the less of two evils here.
What? You consider Eric Zorn to one of the best reporters around?Drop the bottle or the crack pipe..Eric Zorn has been a political hack reporter ever since he started out..He has an anti-police attitude that's very evident in his "reporting".
Well, when I had lawsuits pending I couldnt wait for the city to just settle the things and get rid of them. Its very easy for you and the others to say take it all the way and fight all cases and go to trial. Whens the last time you were sued? Have you been sued? Im guessing you either have never been sued, always had your cases settled or its been a long long time that you forgot the feeling of what happens throughout the process. Feel free to settle any time im sued. Dont care for a second about the "ghetto lottery". its part of the game and sometimes its not worth the headache of dealing with... especially with work stuff.. work enters the personal life when a lawsuit happens. No thanks, settle.
3/05/2015 10:25:00 PM
Spoken like a true coward, or a guy that did what they say. Before you get your say it: Yes, I've been there, three time. The City fought hard all three times and the lawyers got squat. The way it should be.
Anonymous said...
"BREAKING NEWS"
YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST. THE FOP UNION HAS MET WITH RAHM ON TUESDAY DURING A UNION BOARD MEETING. IT IS ALEDGED THAT AN UNKNOWN PO WITH TIES TO ALDERMAN SUAREZ HAD INFORMED THE MAYOR OF THE MEETING. THE MEETING ENDED GUARANTEEING RAHM THEIR ENDORSEMENT. THE FOP WILL BE GOING THROUGH A PROCEDURE TO POLL THEIR MEMBERS. STAY TUNE.
3/05/2015 04:12:00 PM
Stop lying "honest dean" would never allow this! dean is walking on hot coals, wonder if the membership will do the Mike Shields move and remove dean at the next meeting?
Anonymous said...
Well, when I had lawsuits pending I couldnt wait for the city to just settle the things and get rid of them. Its very easy for you and the others to say take it all the way and fight all cases and go to trial. Whens the last time you were sued? Have you been sued? Im guessing you either have never been sued, always had your cases settled or its been a long long time that you forgot the feeling of what happens throughout the process. Feel free to settle any time im sued. Dont care for a second about the "ghetto lottery". its part of the game and sometimes its not worth the headache of dealing with... especially with work stuff.. work enters the personal life when a lawsuit happens. No thanks, settle.
3/05/2015 10:25:00 PM
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As a Chicago tax payer, I'm glad to hear you're so generous with our money when it can be used to make your life more comfortable and/or make your mistakes go away.
Yes ,but opportunity has availed itself to a lot of people generation upon generation and some communities are with opportunity and some not, some are poverty stricken and some not ,everyone's not a drug dealer and some are trying to do better for themselves in these run down poverty stricken dope dealing areas,where many won't live or even drive through is a condemnation of opportunity and the giving up on an entire race,for a few desperate fools that choose the criminal way of life,please be careful judging an entire race and community,some of the blame is where it belongs,entitled, opportunity upon generations and control in this funky city!
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I don't know about others, but I'm not putting down a whole race or group of people. But just as people get the police department that they want, people get the neighborhood that they want. Yes there are good people there trying to live their lives. But these are the people that don't step up when we need information. They know who is doing the shooting and dealing the dope. Few and far between are people that want to take the effort to clean things up. And I don't mean the rev's and "activists" and "violence interruptors" who are there for a payout from some government organization. Cease Fire money is gone. Lets see how many of these "activists" keep working for their neighborhood.
i could care less who the fop is endorsing im writing in rudy guiliani name for mayor,
... There is no reason to give the parents the names of the officers involved. If the family will not accept the official version then let them sue.Which, by the way, if money is the only motive they would do anyway. Thinking like a parent and not a cop."
Sadly, anything the city or police told this woman could be twisted into a weapon to be used against them in court. The more you say or the more people who say it, the bigger your chance of saying something these plaintiffs can use against you. I agree that it wasn't nice to never give this woman an (official) account of what happened, but these cases are about liability and money, not good manners or compassion or other human considerations. The real tragedy here is that the current hyper-litigious state of society makes all of us less human out of the need to constantly be on our guard and protect ourselves.
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