"Merit" Carry Over?
From the comments:
- You're 100% right., 31 does seem like an odd number for a class. But it's not that weird when you do math CPD-style. The 5th floor was told that they could make 60 new Sgts this year. However, there wasn't time to get new merit interviews done and still have these new white-shirts on the street before summer. So, they compromised. Class of 31 now (all off the list) with a second class of 29 to be announced later this year. But wait, you didn't think that merit was dead did you? The second class will take up those merit picks that class #1 left on the table. Class 2 will be 11 list and 18 merit making the total merit selection rate for both classes exactly 30%.
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Can the city do that? Isn't it 30% merit for each round of promotions? Each class, they can't use merit spots from this class on future classes.
Now there's a question for the FOP. As we recall previous Promotional Examination notices, the 30% for supervisors and 20% for Detective spots was a "use it or lose it" deal. If the City/Department didn't use their "merit," it was forfeit. In fact, we're pretty sure that the fractions were rounded DOWN, not up in the event of an uneven distribution of promotions.
We wouldn't put it past the city to have some sort of language added/amended to the Contract or Examination Notices that said something along the lines of "30% of the total promotions from the eligiblity list" instead of "from a class."
Of course, the FOP has historically said since you are leaving their union, they didn't care to press the issue and the PBPA said that since all the new promotees joined them anyway, they didn't care to fight it either way. It's all part of the fracturing of the labor organizations to keep them at each others' throats.
We wouldn't put it past the city to have some sort of language added/amended to the Contract or Examination Notices that said something along the lines of "30% of the total promotions from the eligiblity list" instead of "from a class."
Of course, the FOP has historically said since you are leaving their union, they didn't care to press the issue and the PBPA said that since all the new promotees joined them anyway, they didn't care to fight it either way. It's all part of the fracturing of the labor organizations to keep them at each others' throats.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
110 Comments:
City keeps the bids they do not lose them.
Also applies to bid spots in districts.
It is based on the total from the test.
It is also a fail safe if Garry escapes chicago he can put in a shit load of merits and nobody can say a damn thing.
Looks like there was more than enough merits on that class of 31
yeah yeah yeah, and there is in-distict v.r.i. too, but once again it goes by who you know.
OT: I heard on Chicago Tonight that the fed's are investigating the McDonald shooting, not good. To the officers involved good luck, you all have a long road in front of you.
Until the city makes good on fulling funding our pension, rather than having our property taxes that WE have to pay double, have the city make all revenue generated by the police department go towards our pension fund. 8-10 parkers a day by everyone on the street for five years might just do it. Makes more sense than contact cards and anovs.
How high will they go on the list?
Big question with this 10 hour day regarding furloughs that maybe some 005 district guys can chime in on.Looking at the order for the pilot program why is it still the same language regarding a working day furlough.so you get 22 working days which has to be converted to 176 hours and 25 working days equates to 200 hours.This is all complete bullshit as even the finest west side mathematician can see 22 working days is being shorted by 44 hours and 25 working days is being shorted 50 hours.The question that begs to be answered is how can you be considered to be working 10 hour days and only getting credit for 8 hour a day vacations.This is a huge oversight that needs to rectified if this dumpy schedule is forced upon us.Is this the cities secret way to make us take those unpaid vacation days from years back that other city departments are forced to take.Don't know about you but it seems like complete bullshit for me to have to dump 50 hours of my own time I've earned to get vacation time that should be contractually obligated.Not to mention the bullshit with the baby furlough days as well.Have any of you guys from 005 contacted the FOP regarding this and what was the company they stated.This is something that needs to be addressed if they make this shit show city wide.I either stepped in something while letting out my dog or something is just rotten,either way it smells just shitty!!
Rules?, We do not need any steenking rules!
I am sure that all the merit picks scored so well on the tests that they could make it purely on their scores.
Why else would they be merit picks?
Rules do not apply to the clouted people. Ask Dave Koschmann.
The FOP needs to be more proactive with promotions like the Fire Department Union.
The Union needs to back it members. I feel like anything goes.
You are correct, the rounding is done down as opposed to up. The wording is "up to 30%" not beyond.
WHAT A Joke...
They have have not been doing 30% merit for sgts classes. More like 20%. That is for sure.
Of course. Police officers that did the same or worse than the rest of us on the test, get unfairly promoted and then make a lot more money just because of who they know. Think about how fucked up that is? Through their connections(or how hot they are)they get paid more for doing poorly on a test than the rest of us had to do well on. This is a public job, equal opportunity right? What a joke!
How nice. You test poorly but you get promoted anyway. sad
Maybe Dean-0's kid will be merit in the next class. He has to get paid for forcing the 10 hours on us some how......
It's a maximum of 30% per class, otherwise they could just make 150 merit sgts now and promise to make 350 off the list later.
30% is way to high for merit, should be closer to 10%.
BUT No Military 10% extra points
Like the Nationwide standard
Only in ChIraq
But the Rahm supports the troops
It's per list, not class.
The City does what they want to and then brings out the checkbook when they get called on it.
Of course, the FOP has historically said since you are leaving their union, they didn't care to press the issue
BUT! the union isn't fighting for the ones on the list they should be fighting for the ones that were overlooked.
Just like the County, the city is full of political hacks.
Which is why FOP needs to include all ranks
It's a court decision that up to 30 percent of a class can be merit. If the city puts in classes with no merit then the lawsuits start. Hence, since merit interviews are delayed because of the new merit selection process, the next class will be double merit. This has passed the city and court legal departments. The unions have no say in the matter. 20 years ago the unions lost their lawsuits on merit selections.
You heard it here first, New Detective test this year!
Sign up will be one day, Thanksgiving and the test will be on Christmas morning Good Luck!
That is absolutely correct. Merit percentages do carry over. Just remember that 30 percent is the max. Historically they have been doing much less. So if they actually do 30 percent in next class, it still brings the merit picks down to 15 percent.
OT If you want to carry any caliber higher than a 9mm, you better get a gun now because the dept is going to only allow 9's when the order is signed. Hear me now believe me later.
SCC, I didn't read the whole thread so if I'm saying something already said I apologize. The 30% rule is for the history of the list and not each class. The city could make a class of 100 all off the list and then make a class of 100 later that year/down the road and make 30 off the list and 70 merit. Thus getting back to 30% for the history of the list. The only thing I'm not sure of is could the city go over the 30% mark at some point. The city could then make a class to get back to 30% or less. You would have a guarenteed winner lawsuit should the city do 32% merit for the history and take the list down.
I find it truly sad that McCarthy would start doing 30% merit off the new list when he averaged under 15% from the old list. That stinks of pure politics!!!!!!!
We need to push for this: each member is only allowed one merit promotion in their carrer. Merit promotions only only allowed for detective or sergeant. And slightly off topic eliminate the gold star pension!
I grew up in Bridgeport. I am fifty five years old. I am nothing special and have no clout. But I grew up with plenty of people who did. Every single one of them advanced themselves beyond wearing a blue shirt in this department. Others work in other city departments and they are well taken care of. A clouted friend even got his nephew a job with Goldman Sachs even though his college degree and school are not stellar. If you looked at them and saw their mannerisms you wouldn't suspect it. But they are clouted and are smart; they are not stupid like some people who brag they have connections. Nope, they keep their lips shut and collect a fat paycheck. Don't be fooled. The good old boy network still exists. It's more prevalent than most imagine. The machine is not dead. It just keeps evolving.
along with merit promotions comes political IOU's , merit/exempt salaries for their career and "merit/exempt pensions" for life when the only test they passed was to come on the job.
merit promotions and exempt positions will not change, but can merit/exempt pensions be stopped?
08:04am. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated!
Lieutenants Merit Process
Just so you know the Sergeants Union and City agreed that there would be not more that 25% merit for lieutenants.
This was part of the settlement of the 2007 Lieutenants exam lawsuit that has been in place now for about 3 years.
Also, the Sergeants Union now has access to who is on the lieutenant's exam list just like FOP has access to the sergeant's list.
Finally the City paid the $95,000 that the union racked up over the federal lawsuit.
In the mean time the "special people" who were in the "Dillion special study group" were allowed to remain lieutenants.
Linda Flores went on to become a commander thanks to her democrat judge boyfriend.
The Sergeant's Union attorney Edward Maloney that was handling the lawsuit was "given" a judgeship and is now a member of the Crook County circuit court system.
LOOK AWAY MEDIA . . nothing to see here.
OT If you want to carry any caliber higher than a 9mm, you better get a gun now because the dept is going to only allow 9's when the order is signed. Hear me now believe me later.
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What is 9mm ?
I came on the job in the 1980's
Sorry, I have zero respect for merit hacks. They got somewhere based on reasons other than their qualifications for the position. And most of them are hand jobs who don't make eye contact nor say hello. I have no use for them. Lots of aspects on this job made me bitter. Lawsuits, injuries, shit bosses, crap FOP, and that's just a start.
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No fracturing to keep each other at their throats, but using the fracturing that happened previously to the cities advantage. Smart use .
lets see what happens. from what I heard the city wants to make the next class 18 from the list and 12 merit. which would make the total percent of merit for both classes at 20%. but to do that the city would have to promote more than 30% merit in this second class. if you have a class of 30. 21 would be off the list and 9 merit. anything over that would make it over 30% for that class. but im not sure if its per class or the allowed amount of merit you can promote from a promotional exam list. lets find out.
To the ten hour day furlough question. Also factor in with the ten hour schedule you have 3 or 4 days off every five days to apply to furlough.
8:15...
I made Sgt. off the list in 1998.
You should be pushing for ZERO "merit" promotions to supervisory ranks.
"Merit" was only used for Dicks before 1998, 20%, and it was a way to reward bonafide heroes.
They were forced to hold a legit Sgts. and Lts. test in 1994 under oversight from the Reagan appointed federal 7th circuit. The last time a legit test of any kind was held prior to that was a Sgts. test in 1952. Mayor Kelley was dumped by the Machine for that transgression (and others) and replaced with Daley I.
Needless to say, the results were not what Daley or "community leaders" wanted. They tried 13 "merit" Lt. promotions in 1996 and the court slapped them down. They ruled that "merit" was acceptable as long as it was announced prior to the test.
So, they incorporated it into the 1998 testing process for both ranks and have never looked back.
Today, you realistically have a shot at about 50% of the Sgts. promotion spots and a bit less for Lts.
Figure another 20% for Sgts. and 30% for Lts. have been given either the questions, answers, or "expertly" prepared study materials.
While precedent has been set, "merit" is still a good bargaining chip for FOP and PBPA during contract negotiations.
Good luck.
Mayor backs $5.5 million reparations package for Burge torture victims
Merit, Merit!!! We dont need no stinkin Merit!!!
Next Class of Sgts coming in Sep.ish-there will be plus/minus 30 more made. The hiring will really start next year, retirements are coming from Sgt grade. Upwards of 150 Sgts will be made next year! FYI... Merit is per class, not PER list!
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Anonymous said...
The FOP needs to be more proactive with promotions like the Fire Department Union.
The Union needs to back it members. I feel like anything goes.
4/14/2015 02:16:00 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks that a union that represents officers below the rank of Sgt. should not be spending assets to fight for what?
If at the end of the day the city does not exceed the proper percentages what is the problem? I fact a few who would have been pushed back to the second class now will have a better seniority date.
Anonymous said...
SCC, I didn't read the whole thread so if I'm saying something already said I apologize. The 30% rule is for the history of the list and not each class. The city could make a class of 100 all off the list and then make a class of 100 later that year/down the road and make 30 off the list and 70 merit. Thus getting back to 30% for the history of the list. The only thing I'm not sure of is could the city go over the 30% mark at some point. The city could then make a class to get back to 30% or less. You would have a guarenteed winner lawsuit should the city do 32% merit for the history and take the list down.
I find it truly sad that McCarthy would start doing 30% merit off the new list when he averaged under 15% from the old list. That stinks of pure politics!!!!!!!
4/14/2015 08:11:00 AM
70 out of 200 is 35% so youre a little off on your numbers.
The city cannot go over 30% on merit (they can as they can do whatever they want but they likely in order to avoid litigation)
The 30% is per class not per list. Example, not sure if its true or not, the supt. had recently been using merit for approx. 15% of each class. No one ever mentioned then that he was saving the unused for later picks. So, no, not true about carrying over the unused merit.
its disgusting that they still call this process "merit" why not call it " the who you know list"
If you haven't realized by now the city does whatever the hell it wants contracts be damned. It's always been that way but I'd say it's even more that way now with Rahm and McNutty at the helm.
Fuck all those "Merits". This is the problem with this half ass Department. It is the Merit types that lack the necessary brains and leadership skills to begin with. Political hacks that think about themselves and themselves only. How the fuck can you lead in all aspects of true leadership when you do not know the material you are supposed to know to be in the position? (fail part two of test). Where I come from, the motto is "Lead by example not by decree." Look what Merit gets ya, idiots like 011s KJ, HRs A. Zayas, etc. etc. a bunch of buddy fuckers. Just saying.
Can the city do that?
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The city can do whatever the hell they want ... but .. they are promoting here, and the minorities already sued on this ... and the deal was that merit was a less discriminatory, alternative to hiring right down the list ... so ... all the merit guys from the second round will get back pay and senority ... as if they had been promoted in the first round ...
the city might give them this outright, or else they'd have to sue for it ...
the case in which minorities sued, was for the 1993 sgt's test. there was no merit for that test. minorities sued, arguing, under Title VII of The Civil Rights Act, minorities were no promoted at a rate 80% that of whites. Mid-trial, the city initiated some "blue ribbon" panel, which came up with the 30% merit thing. The following Sgt. test, I believe it was 1998, was when merit came into play for sgts
If they can carry over their merit picks I have a great idea that seems pretty fair.
After the test announce that the top 400 will be promoted in rank order off the list and then promote 150 merit after the rank order people.
This way everyone who studied hard gets promoted and the city still gets their merit picks.
Adams v. City of Chicago, 135 F.3d 1150 (1998)
• Although 46% of those who took the Chicago Police Sgt. Test were minorities, only 12% were later eligible for promotion. P’s alleged disparate impact and a violation of Title VII.
• 1993 Sgt’s test (administered in first 3 months of 1994). 3 parts, the third being oral. There was no meritorious whatsoever. 4,700 took parts I (31.8% were black, 10.8% were Hispanic, and 56.4% were white) and II, of which 1,900 went on to part III. But after all three parts were graded, about 88% of those designated to be promoted to sergeant were white and 12% were minority.
• The plaintiffs filed an interlocutory appeal. However, during the pendency of this appeal, the City of Chicago initiated a Blue Ribbon Task Force to review the Department's promotion practices. By consent of the parties, argument on this appeal was delayed until the Task Force issued its report. In May 1997, the Task Force issued its report recommending that up to 30% of the Department's promotions to sergeant be made on the basis of "merit." This meant that current sergeants and lieutenants would pick 30% of the police officers that would be promoted to sergeant. However, the report also recommends that the current test continue to be used to assure that sergeants given "merit" promotions meet a minimum level of competence.
O.T. FYI CPDTestPrep Lt's class starting this week. Every advantage helps for those not making it merit. Test date June 06.
Here's an uplifting fucking case:
Allen v. City of Chicago, 351 F.3d 306 (2003).
Minorities sued for more merit. (for 1998 Sgt. exam)
They lost. The City won.
Unbelievable.
OT:
Rahm told McJerseyShore to accelerate the implementation of the 10 hour day. He wants it city-wide by 7th period.
They figure they will get a whole bunch of Class of 86ers to leave now that they're maxing out this summer.
Goal is to reduce total manpower by 5% and make department younger and tanner.
Anonymous said...
Of course. Police officers that did the same or worse than the rest of us on the test, get unfairly promoted and then make a lot more money just because of who they know. Think about how fucked up that is? Through their connections(or how hot they are)they get paid more for doing poorly on a test than the rest of us had to do well on. This is a public job, equal opportunity right? What a joke!
4/14/2015 04:03:00 AM
It is fucked up. If you do your job, stay out of trouble, have a good award history, mind your business, but don't cozy up to the brass you will never get merit. Bottom line is you have be very close to the brass to get merit no matter how good of a police officer you are. It's a fucked up process and only the clouted get the chance to make more $$$$.
I hope to GOD we get those merit spots!
Anonymous said...
OT:
Rahm told McJerseyShore to accelerate the implementation of the 10 hour day. He wants it city-wide by 7th period.
They figure they will get a whole bunch of Class of 86ers to leave now that they're maxing out this summer.
Goal is to reduce total manpower by 5% and make department younger and tanner.
4/14/2015 02:32:00 PM
I'm a class of 7/1986 retiring in Sept, called pension board was told to make appoint 6 weeks in advance of retirement date they will be so "busy" from June through DEC 2015!! We are leaving in droves if your maxed,have free 55 and out and insurance you should not be a bonehead retire enjoy what you have left, or if your still a go getter, why work for less than $11,000 a year which includes your uniform and duty pay but not overtime, and you risk everything, the media and dept bosses along with elected are on "police hunt" dont be the copper that is maxed and could go, get jammed up lose your pension-freedom-savings-family go while you can!!
Anonymous said...
Sorry, I have zero respect for merit hacks. They got somewhere based on reasons other than their qualifications for the position. And most of them are hand jobs who don't make eye contact nor say hello. I have no use for them. Lots of aspects on this job made me bitter. Lawsuits, injuries, shit bosses, crap FOP, and that's just a start.
4/14/2015 09:36:00 AM
Completely agree! Most merit hacks are cocky, arrogant hand jobs that dont make eye contact or say hello. They look at you as if youre beneath them.
Some one talked about limiting merit to once per career. I disagree. If that were the case, so many people who have contributed so much would have had their careers stalled at the sgt or detective level. Think of what we would be like without these leaders! Think of what we would have missed.
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Rahm told McJerseyShore to accelerate the implementation of the 10 hour day. He wants it city-wide by 7th period.
They figure they will get a whole bunch of Class of 86ers to leave now that they're maxing out this summer.
Goal is to reduce total manpower by 5% and make department younger and tanner.
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OK - Sure - rebidding watches and furlos in the middle of the year?? Don't think so. Maybe 6th period, right before summer starts
Anonymous Anonymous said...
BUT No Military 10% extra points
Like the Nationwide standard
Only in ChIraq
But the Rahm supports the troops
First of all you are not in the military. Second you fucking guys and gals got preference to get on, and I'm here to say some of you are soft as puppy shit. We had one officer go nuts on midnights claiming to be under fire. Now be good little soldier and sit in a sand pit.
They were forced to hold a legit Sgts. and Lts. test in 1994 under oversight from the Reagan appointed federal 7th circuit. The last time a legit test of any kind was held prior to that was a Sgts. test in 1952. Mayor Kelley was dumped by the Machine for that transgression (and others) and replaced with Daley I.
The Sgt's test was in 1993. They made the first class in 1994 and then the big class in 1996.
Everyone knows how it works here. Who cares. Just be safe and worry about your family and closest allies on this job if you have any.
Heard a rumor that the McCarthy is going to try and go for the heart attack bill which would give him 70 percent of his salary. Lovely!! Another burden on the pension. Add that on top of his New York pension and anything he's getting from Jersey.
Hey at least McCarthy has brought testing back. It's one thing he did. Hopefully every 5 years new tests will be given.
It is not 30% per class. It's 30% per list
I actually think the entire system has to be somewhat of a merit based system. Part of your rank should determined by your score and your performance. Far too many people testing high that never did a god damn thing. You can't say, "well they did it fair." Because they dedicated all their time to studying instead of busting your ass at work does not qualify someone to be a supervisor, detective, et, etc. Work ethic too me is most important. Test taking ability is secondary at best.
How are you supposed to lead someone if you never even done it yourself?
And lately the sergeants coming out have been dreadful. You have maybe 1 in 50 that have been tolerable and knowledgeable.
the case in which minorities sued, was for the 1993 sgt's test. there was no merit for that test. minorities sued, arguing, under Title VII of The Civil Rights Act, minorities were no promoted at a rate 80% that of whites. Mid-trial, the city initiated some "blue ribbon" panel, which came up with the 30% merit thing. The following Sgt. test, I believe it was 1998, was when merit came into play for sgts
4/14/2015 01:21:00 PM
Yes, and in 1997 exam for Lieutenants. The so called "merit Lieutenants" were promoted with back dated senority, pay and pension, and incredibly a few of them never bothered to even take the test!!! But, if you asked these merit slugs, they " deserved" it. All of them went on to make captain or higher. Even one guy who quit the job when he was a quota sergeant, but came back to make merit lieutenant even though he did not work for some time. He went on to make captain. Thank you Daley and Uncle Terry. These people do not have scruples or integrity. Uncle Terry went along with the game and now is a very rich man.
Anonymous said...
Hey at least McCarthy has brought testing back. It's one thing he did. Hopefully every 5 years new tests will be given.
4/14/2015 05:12:00 PM
it all depends on the economy son. tests and promotions started picking up after the economy made a half assed recovery. look at the private sector - very little to no movement within or hiring during our hiring/promotional freeze.
Anonymous said...
It is not 30% per class. It's 30% per list
4/14/2015 05:19:00 P.M
You must have been one of the ones saying the new sgt class was going to come from the old list. 30% is per class.
(OT) ahh the fop website now has updated calendar for retires but yet none listed for 2015, hmm wonder who is in charge of this fiasco! Let me guess "the quiet man dean" nope Dean your not the great OZ but your the man who is having his puppet strings pulled by the man behind the curtain err gag order Dean?
Mayor backs $5.5 million reparations package for Burge torture victims
4/14/2015 10:48:00 AM
That slimy prick refuses to contribute to our pensions but he throws around $5 million dollar settlements like they're chump change.
Fuck you Rahm
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They were forced to hold a legit Sgts. and Lts. test in 1994 under oversight from the Reagan appointed federal 7th circuit. The last time a legit test of any kind was held prior to that was a Sgts. test in 1952. Mayor Kelley was dumped by the Machine for that transgression (and others) and replaced with Daley I.
The Sgt's test was in 1993. They made the first class in 1994 and then the big class in 1996.
4/14/2015 04:42:00 PM
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Then a 3rd class in 1997. That was last class off the 1993 test.
Heard Frank Limon is going to be the next Super!
Big tiger said, "you aint going no where greyhound."
Some people make it via "merit" and then some people make it via secret study groups. Just look at some of the people who supposedly made it on their own. Then connect the dots to see who they are related to and which one of their relatives and friends are in high places. My sgt. freely admitted to me that he is connected. He is related to some former Congressman from the 1980's and he rode his clout to sgt. That is just life folks. Cronyism exists everywhere.
04:41pm spoken like a true civilian. Pity.
OT: I heard on Chicago Tonight that the fed's are investigating the McDonald shooting, not good. To the officers involved good luck, you all have a long road in front of you.
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ohhhhhh, right. You mean the one where a gun was recovered along with dna and partial fingerprint on the gun which was recovered. yeah, the feds can look into all the shootings they want.. but just like in ferguson, if there is enough evidence then its all good, look all you want. stop trying to scare people and give your false "good luck to all involved." Good shoot, period. Feds will have no choice in the end except to agree.
orry, I have zero respect for merit hacks. They got somewhere based on reasons other than their qualifications for the position. And most of them are hand jobs who don't make eye contact nor say hello. I have no use for them. Lots of aspects on this job made me bitter. Lawsuits, injuries, shit bosses, crap FOP, and that's just a start.
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hmmmmm, very odd. Some of the BEST sgts, Lts and gold stars were promoted off merit... many of them worked in units too during their career. In my time on the watch (pretty much my whole career) these have been some of the greatest, fairest and nicest people to work for. They knew how to get things done the real way and took care of people. Now obviously this is not all merit promotions... that goes without saying. but of bosses I have worked for and sgts etc many were merit guys/gals. But to be fair, many supervisors made by test were great too but I can name dozens upon dozens of sgts, Lts etc who were made by the score who are clueless, lazy, A-hole slugs who were the same way as a P.O. and just carried into being a sgt. I disagree with you whole heartedly. 26 years Ive seen many sgts and bosses come and go but dont just think because they made it from the list that they are great. sounds like you have a little bit of sour grapes. If you wanted to get made, you should have scored better. I took the test last year for the hell of it. Ill probably have to stick around till about 31-33 years to get the kids out of college but im not going to get made with my score. am I mad at those who make it by score or merit??? NOPE!! Good for them! if they can get made good for them. I will absolutely put in an application for merit when they offer it. I more than likely wont get it but in the chance I do get it great day. If I dont then oh well worth a shot. Too many vindictive bitter crybabies on this job. Get over yourselves.
FYI. This new class of 31 Pre Service Sergeant Merit selections:
Nobody!!!!!!!!!
we will see what happens with the next class.
off topic..
ANOTHER GHETTO LOTTO ??
CHICAGO (AP) — Federal and county prosecutors are investigating the October fatal shooting by a Chicago police officer of a teenager who authorities say was wielding a knife, and the city says it will pay his family $5 million to preclude any legal action.
Of course. Police officers that did the same or worse than the rest of us on the test, get unfairly promoted and then make a lot more money just because of who they know. Think about how fucked up that is? Through their connections(or how hot they are)they get paid more for doing poorly on a test than the rest of us had to do well on. This is a public job, equal opportunity right? What a joke!
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What about the officers who do not know anyone but actually worked hard, did some good things on this job but scored low?. Do they not deserve merit?
If u have a merit or sponsors then what the hell is the point of having a test, a couple minutes interview will do..
How about making the city promise to promote the top 30% of eligible candidates in rank order for sergeant and lieutenant and 20% for detective. What's fair is fair! So say 2000 are eligible for promotion for sergeant and lieutenant the city will have to promote 600 in rank order off the list before it get taken down.
Everyone moans about merit but does nothing about it. The union stood by silent while the Shakman Decree was lifted. The Federal Monitor is gone but the law remains. The Security Specialist Law Suit has done more to get political disclaimers inserted in our general orders more so than the union ever did. Look at the various disclosures since that case was filed. Maybe if the FOP and its members looked further than the writing on the bathroom wall, they might learn something.
Anonymous said...
Which is why FOP needs to include all ranks
4/14/2015 07:16:00 AM
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State law would have to be changed first.
Merit=Clout
It is not 30% per class. It's 30% per list
4/14/2015 05:19:00 PM
You either failed math or you went to De La Salle.
Back in the day it was 5 percent.
(OT) want to get your blood boiling read this, like when there is a Cta bus accident 2 people on bus but what 50 go to hospital to get our tax payout money?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-burge-reparations-emanuel-met-20150414-story.html#page=1
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey at least McCarthy has brought testing back. It's one thing he did. Hopefully every 5 years new tests will be given.
4/14/2015 05:12:00 PM
GARRY brought testing back? Only the mayor allows a test. ONLY the mayor. Garry didn't bring a damned thing 'back', except a couple of his New York buddies.
Years ago, after a lot of noise from the union, Richie agreed to a test every three years. It was published in the papers and the press conference was on tv.
It never happened. The superintendent could have done somersaults and it still wouldn't have happened. Because Daley did not PERMIT it to happen. Yeah, right; Garry brought testing back.
Dicks test in the works. Stay tuned
How about another detectives class before it gets tossed
Completely agree! Most merit hacks are cocky, arrogant hand jobs that dont make eye contact or say hello. They look at you as if youre beneath them.
You sir must work in the 006 district.
It is fucked up. If you do your job, stay out of trouble, have a good award history, mind your business, but don't cozy up to the brass you will never get merit. Bottom line is you have be very close to the brass to get merit no matter how good of a police officer you are. It's a fucked up process and only the clouted get the chance to make more $$$$.
4/14/2015 03:36:00 PM
I did all of the above and I actually had Commanders put me in twice. Didn't know them, but they put me in anyway. I ended up getting in by test score, but it was nice to be asked. I was asked to work inside more than once for bosses I never met. They said my name came up when they asked for someone who did their job. I never went. I liked the street, but again, it was nice to be asked.
Bottom line is this: do your job to the best of your ability. Keep current with the laws and Department policy. Nothing is perfect. Nowhere is that more evident than Chicago.
Merit isn't fair, but it's a fact of life here. Remember that out in the real world, it's all merit. At least here you have a shot at making it and they can't do anything about that. No one can hold you back if you truly want it.
Some of us think MERIT means the City should put in bad test takers who are great leaders.
Merit was made because minorities score horrible on these test.
Nobody cares about awards that you found a stolen car.
The award for not being sick because you get everyone at work sick with the flu.
Degrees? we have the most inept exempts who can't even type a short memo or make a graph.
Military service? cmon i know why you went to the military And it is not because you were on the honor roll.
It has gotten so bad the Mayor no longer higher Superintendents from within the department.
Sgts wanted to be in the FOP, but Nolan fucked them around.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Heard a rumor that the McCarthy is going to try and go for the heart attack bill which would give him 70 percent of his salary. Lovely!! Another burden on the pension. Add that on top of his New York pension and anything he's getting from Jersey.
4/14/2015 05:10:00 PM
Not sworn, so no pension for him.
look at current exempts
over 75% havehad a minimum of one if not all merit promotions before being recognized as being appointed to CPD command staff
Apparently there is a person posting that is far more brilliant at math than an actuary OR he just couldn't get accepted into De La Salle.
Expect another class of 50 detectives this fall and that's it off the old list. The department is already preparing a new detective exam for early or late this winter.
Back in the day it was 5 percent.
4/14/2015 10:41:00 PM
Prior to 1983, 5% of a Sgt's check went to the precinct captain, 10% to the alderman.
Merit isn't fair, but it's a fact of life here. Remember that out in the real world, it's all merit. At least here you have a shot at making it and they can't do anything about that. No one can hold you back if you truly want it.
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so scoring well on an exam that tests your knowledge of the job is NOT merit?
ok, just so the rules are clear...
The 31st position was put in for YB by Chief Williams who is over the promotional process. Once he is gone, no more hiding behind the telephone. People will see the dumb,evil and incompetent person that you are. He couldn't get you the answers to the polygraph test, but he could to the CPD test.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey at least McCarthy has brought testing back. It's one thing he did. Hopefully every 5 years new tests will be given.
4/14/2015 05:12:00 PM
No this fool did not bring testing back. He is the same idiot that has been holding the Lieutenants test up. We would have been done and ranked by now. This last promtion would have been based on the new test, not scraping the bottom of the barrel from the old test. Sgt. S, stop trying to boost this dummy up. We know exactly who he is and what he stands for. The worst Superintendent in the history of Chicago.
To the poster of 4/14/2015 01:08 00PM
Guess the popular comedian Kat Williams was correct.
"If you don't have at least 10 Haters by the end of the year, you ain't doing nothing special!"(sic)
FYI You are correct. A Zayas is my buddy. But not like that. LMAO!
Sincerely, 011's KJ
To the poster of 4/17/2015 10:59:00 AM
The truth hurts and most laugh in the face of it as a nervous defense mechanism. Another cookie to eat is the reference you decided to quote. Where I come from there is an ole adage, "When evaluating a thought, consider its source." It is a sad fact that in this case a comedian who happens to also be a thug is referenced. The fruit in fact never falls far from the tree where it came from. Your and your buddy's Merit are NOT welcome.
Not 30% per the list... it's 30 % as it states in the lawsuit 30 % per "round" meaning per each class. Each time a group is promoted that's considered a Round.
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