Thursday, April 23, 2015

No More Red Light Cameras!

Except in Chicago (and other "home rule" cities):
  • The Illinois House on Wednesday approved a measure that would ban red light cameras in about 35 communities outside of Chicago, even as supporters pointed to flaws in the city's program as reason to do away with the much-loathed devices.

    The legislation would make the cameras illegal in municipalities that are not home rule — generally towns with a population of less than 25,000 — starting in 2017.
And a reminder of the usual Chicago shenanigans:
  • ...the cameras were rigged against drivers, nodding to Chicago Tribune stories showing that Chicago's camera program failed to deliver on safety claims and that the city's yellow light intervals are dangerously short and out of step with national standards. The long-running Tribune investigation also has illustrated how tens of thousands of drivers were unfairly ticketed because of questionable enforcement and failed oversight.

    In addition, the Tribune's reporting triggered a federal investigation into allegations that the Chicago camera program was tied to a $2 million bribery scheme. The alleged bagman in the scheme has pleaded guilty to bribery charges. A grand jury also indicted the former CEO of the since-fired vendor, Redflex Traffic Systems, and the longtime city manager who oversaw the program.

    That former manager, John Bills, was a longtime top precinct captain for Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan.

Just another argument for the discontinuation of "home rule" type laws that create two separate sets of standards.

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63 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am SO tired of having fewer rights because I'm the police. I am SO tired of having fewer rights because I reside in the city of Chicago.

4/23/2015 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line: the cameras bring in much needed revenue to the city coffers. They should stay.

4/23/2015 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Britain, the people are destroying the speed cameras. One of their favorite methods is to burn them using a tire and some flammables. No one likes the cameras except money hungry cities and the people that sell them the cameras.

4/23/2015 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic - #68 on ET's list... Do I have a chance of getting hired?

4/23/2015 03:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look what home rule did for bridgeview.

4/23/2015 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, "the Tribune's reporting triggered a federal investigation into allegations that the Chicago camera program was tied to a $2 million bribery scheme. "

The Trib did something right or a change. Now maybe they can do the same with Shortshanks Parking Meter deal. There should be a bunch of people that should go to jail over that crime.

4/23/2015 05:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special Order S04-13-09 IV-B-5 reads as follows; Contact Information Cards will not be completed for persons that are included on any other report utilized by Department members for that incident (e.g., Personal Service Traffic Citation, Administrative Notice of Ordinance Violation, case report or arrest report).
EXCEPTION: 
A Contact Information Card may be completed along with an Illinois Traffic Stop Statistical Study - Driver Information Card.

So, if an officer conducts a traffic stop and no other report or citation is written/issued a TSSS (blue card) WILL be completed and a contact card MAY ALSO be completed.

P.S. Please let all the "hair gels" know about this. They might look-up to you and think you are looking out for their best interest instead of being a condescending ass.

Stay safe! Signed--Your Sergeant.

------

100 percent false. If you work for a boss like this who does not know shit but thinks they do, point him to the updated orders.

Special Order S04-13-09 (explains very, very limited uses for contact cards).

Special Order S04-14-09 (explains which cards to fill out on a traffic stop). To sum it up. A stop for a vehicle violation is not an investigatory stop, so no contact card. That is defined as a traffic stop. A stop on a car for something as the occupants matching the description of a shooting is an investigatory stop, so a contact card is done. Read the orders!!

4/23/2015 05:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave the red light cameras. Put them to the longest legal yellow so it really is about safety. Look closely at whomever is awarded the contract.

Simple for an honest politician and that is why Chicago has so many problems.

Now about those damn speed cameras......

4/23/2015 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why? I think these cameras are great. Helps slow down the speed demons. Perhaps add some more of those speed cameras too.

4/23/2015 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tinted Windows is similar MCC ordinance is off the books it costs $250 in fines for a violation. But IVC statute remains on the books.

4/23/2015 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BANG-BANG-BANG...Out Go The Lights!!

4/23/2015 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wtf is wong with this country? How many soldiers have died fighting these scum bags? Our kids can't say the "one nation under god" part of the pledge in public schools but Muslims can wear head dress and take time for prayer and now this:

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-83365936/

Welcome to the new American, brought to you by your friendly neighborhood liberal.

4/23/2015 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the cheap seats:

Special Order S04-13-09



IV.

B.

5. Contact Information Cards will not be completed for persons that are included on any other report utilized by Department members for that incident (e.g., Personal Service Traffic Citation, Administrative Notice of Ordinance Violation, case report or arrest report).

*******EXCEPTION:********

A Contact Information Card may be completed along with an Illinois Traffic Stop Statistical Study - Driver Information Card.

4/23/2015 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many people live in Harwood Heights? They have one on their side of Harlem & Foster and they don't budge an inch. At least ours in the city don't get tripped until the car is doing over 6mph

4/23/2015 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is Chicago exempt? Are the facts about the cameras somehow different in Chicago than in the rest of the universe?

4/23/2015 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT



http://patdollard.com/2015/04/toure-becomes-4th-black-host-at-msnbc-to-refuse-to-pay-his-taxes/




Excerpted from Breitbart: National Review’s Jillian Kay Melchior reported Wednesday that, along with Al Sharpton and Melissa Harris-Perry, two more MSNBC stars are not paying their fair share of taxes. Touré Neblett, co-host of “The Cycle” owes the IRS a cool $59,000. Joy-Ann Reid, a former anchor and now a regular contributor to the “Lien” Forward network, owes New York almost $5,000 in back taxes.
As we reported last week, Melissa Harris-Perry owes the IRS $70,000. Al Sharpton’s tax bill is upwards of $3 – $4 million.

Read more at http://patdollard.com/2015/04/toure-becomes-4th-black-host-at-msnbc-to-refuse-to-pay-his-taxes/#XJBDbrwTcLEu8k0t.99

4/23/2015 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: No surprise here -- Michael Brown's 'family' is suing the city of Ferguson for wrongful death.
Because a million bucks from a go fund me initiative is not enough money, now they feel the need to bankrupt their town? Maybe, if they had properly parented their offspring to begin with, none of this would have happened. Someone should sue both of the absentee parents for the havoc wreaked on the community as a result of their actions immediately after the incident and when the verdict was announced.

4/23/2015 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's for the children

4/23/2015 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get rid of home rule in this state!

Either we are one state with one set of laws or break the city off into their own state, with their own laws and rules!

4/23/2015 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank those who voted for Rahm again and for his tenacious efforts to change laws to allow using city parks for his pet project Lucas Museum and Obama Lie-Berry.
No money for pensions, just change or ignore the law.
Typical shameless corrupt Democrat behavior.

4/23/2015 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word is that interviews for Lt to go to Det and OCD are coming out even though they already told the people who are going there. Open and transparent!

4/23/2015 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sit and watch, waiting for the Villagers to get angry enough to storm the village hall with pitchforks and torches...

Chicagoans are nothing if not complacent, and easily pacified.

How else do you explain the Chicago Bears/Cubs fan base?? They can perform minimally and they still get cheered.

Parallel an obviously dysfunctional police Department here,(see blog) and you get the picture.

Not a LEO

4/23/2015 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CHICAGO = CORRUPTION

4/23/2015 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger ciceroskip1 said...

A friend of mine got a red light ticket on his way to work early one Sat.morning. He sat in a left turn lane through three cycles without a left turn arrow. he gave up and pulled into a thru lane, crossing over the solid white line. he got a violation notice for crossing the white line. how do you fight that?

4/23/2015 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's the Chicago way. Now don't forget to take your ethics test. Did Byrd-Bennett and the others pass their ethics tests?

4/23/2015 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good riddance! Fuck LITTLE MOSCOW (Fox River Grove) and little shit-holes just like them- that are all about fucking citizens all in the name of REVENUE!

4/23/2015 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What ever happened to equal protection under the law

4/23/2015 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bottom line: the cameras bring in much needed revenue to the city coffers. They should stay.

4/23/2015 12:53:00 AM

The baiting troll strikes again.
Why do you publish this goof, scc?

4/23/2015 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic - #68 on ET's list... Do I have a chance of getting hired?

4/23/2015 03:06:00 AM

You've already been hired.
Did you perhaps mean something else?

4/23/2015 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Leave the red light cameras. Put them to the longest legal yellow so it really is about safety. Look closely at whomever is awarded the contract.

Simple for an honest politician and that is why Chicago has so many problems.

Now about those damn speed cameras......

4/23/2015 06:32:00 AM

Ditto.

4/23/2015 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Home Rule is highly UnConstitutional from the Get-Go. Just ignore Chicagos Communist -(Democrat) American Freedom-Hating, corrupt, lying, thief Politicians

4/23/2015 03:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Hot Pursuit said...

At least prostitutes are people, whats the excuse of all the whores in Springfield???

4/23/2015 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No recent open posts so figured I'd drop this here:

Any worries about Chicago goonie goo-goos running wild in Grant Park's Draft Town next week? The NFL apparently managed to get police escorts for potential high picks flying in, but decided to make the fan event a free venture.

Monterrey Security is on site already, but those guys have no real authority. Thoughts?

4/23/2015 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should start a boycott, tell our friends and relatives to stay away and spend their tourist dollars elsewhere. Imagine the impact on the mayor's big tourist marketing campaign. Its a war on drivers here.

4/23/2015 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The law department needs to clarify this part of the order a little bit more, as sounds as if it contradicts itself- "you may write a contact card when a tsss card is written" - isn't a tsss card just for a traffic violation when observed ????

4/23/2015 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnlRurTwFg

4/23/2015 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Word is that interviews for Lt to go to Det and OCD are coming out even though they already told the people who are going there. Open and transparent!

4/23/2015 11:39:00 AM


When they were still printing the Daily Bulletin on paper they would post a job opening for some real sweet positions. It was well known that those jobs were already filled before the posting ever went up. No matter if the officer or sgt. replying was a lawyer, PhD, Master Degree or Nobel Prize winner. It was always the guy who was someone's nephew or squeeze that got it. They were merely advertising for fillers, like in a lineup, so they can say, look here, we posted it fair and square before we gave it to the political heavyweight.

4/23/2015 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Bottom line: the cameras bring in much needed revenue to the city coffers. They should stay.

4/23/2015 12:53:00 AM


If the money went to the pension funds, then yes.

4/23/2015 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Off topic - #68 on ET's list... Do I have a chance of getting hired?

4/23/2015 03:06:00 AM

Congratulations on doing well on the et test. Yes, we desperately need new et's. I don't know when they will start a class. But being #68 gives you a very good chance.

4/23/2015 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/23/2015 11:40:00 AM

Not just that, but the entire nation is apathetic. Our nation is corrupt to the core; the banks, the health insurance companies and higher education are all 100% scams. It is either their way or the high way. You have no choice. It will only get worse. Thank God I am 66 years old.

4/23/2015 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


How else do you explain the Chicago Bears/Cubs fan base?? They can perform minimally and they still get cheered.

excellent observation....mediocrity is the new norm, liberals cheer anything that is anti-establishment......it has been said that, if Wrigley Field turned all of their seats around, so that none of the seats faced the field, the Cubs (who haven't won anything meaningful in about 100 years) would still draw about 3 million folks to Wrigley every year....what does that say about Cubs fans, moreover, what does that say about low information people....

4/23/2015 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The red light cams can stay. Get rid of the speed cams... I know how to stop at the light, I dont trust a radar with a camera attached....

4/23/2015 07:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But they're for the children!

4/23/2015 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This auto theft is happening in my district. Finally what to look for at the listed site: http://iapa-il.org/news/news.htm

4/23/2015 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word is that interviews for Lt to go to Det and OCD are coming out even though they already told the people who are going there. Open and transparent!

4/23/2015 11:39:00 AM

This is part of the superintendent's nonsense that is supposed to make it all appear legit. They announce that they are having interviews and let everybody "interview". Then they put the guy they wanted in anyway. In the meantime everyone else has wasted their time interviewing on their own time while going through this charade.

It is all done so that McCarthy can tell you how lucky you were to be considered when you really weren't. How do I know this? You can guess.

I can tell you it really screws things up trying to replace people when they leave. You have to wait for the interviews to be announced, go through the process and wait for the blessing from on high. It is all garbage.

4/23/2015 08:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Word is that interviews for Lt to go to Det and OCD are coming out even though they already told the people who are going there. Open and transparent!

4/23/2015 11:39:00 AM

That is why i don't waste my time applying for any of that crap. I have no clout, so I know they will not put me in any cushy unit. Patrol is my home.

4/23/2015 08:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Bottom line: the cameras bring in much needed revenue to the city coffers. They should stay.

4/23/2015 12:53:00 AM

Law doesn't apply to Chicago,so it doesn't affect us.

4/23/2015 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why? I think these cameras are great. Helps slow down the speed demons. Perhaps add some more of those speed cameras too.

4/23/2015 06:56:00 AM

How do right light cameras slow down the speed demons. More likely they make them speed up to beat the light

4/23/2015 08:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because of the red light cameras, speed cameras and bike lanes, this city is in constant gridlock. I predict more road rage incidents than ever before. Everybody drives 22 M.P.H. It takes double the time to get any where because everyone is sick and tired of paying $100 tickets for "the safety of the children". The guy that said "the cameras bring in much needed revenue to the city coffers, they should stay," was probably the lone biker I saw on Elston Ave. which used to be 2 lanes and an alternate route for the Kennedy Expy.

4/23/2015 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RED light cameras will be replaced by speed cameras!

4/23/2015 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special Order S04-13-09 IV-B-5 reads as follows; Contact Information Cards will not be completed for persons that are included on any other report utilized by Department members for that incident (e.g., Personal Service Traffic Citation, Administrative Notice of Ordinance Violation, case report or arrest report).
EXCEPTION:
A Contact Information Card may be completed along with an Illinois Traffic Stop Statistical Study - Driver Information Card.

So, if an officer conducts a traffic stop and no other report or citation is written/issued a TSSS (blue card) WILL be completed and a contact card MAY ALSO be completed.

P.S. Please let all the "hair gels" know about this. They might look-up to you and think you are looking out for their best interest instead of being a condescending ass.

Stay safe! Signed--Your Sergeant.

------

100 percent false. If you work for a boss like this who does not know shit but thinks they do, point him to the updated orders.

Special Order S04-13-09 (explains very, very limited uses for contact cards).

Special Order S04-14-09 (explains which cards to fill out on a traffic stop). To sum it up. A stop for a vehicle violation is not an investigatory stop, so no contact card. That is defined as a traffic stop. A stop on a car for something as the occupants matching the description of a shooting is an investigatory stop, so a contact card is done. Read the orders!!

4/23/2015 05:53:00 AM

Sorry, but you are wrong. The special order-S04-13-09 was updated on 07Jan2015 and rescinds the 03Apr2014 version.The information that I wrote was actually cut and pasted DIRECTLY from that order. So yes, you MUST complete A TSSS card if no other citation, report etc. is completed. You MAY complete a contact card if you wish.

Further dept orders define an "Investigatory Stop";
ILLINOIS STATE LAW
725 ILCS 5/107-14 delineates the authority for conducting an Investigatory Stop. The statute reads as follows:
"Temporary questioning without arrest. A peace officer, after having identified himself as a peace officer, may stop any person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances that the person is committing, is about to commit or has committed an offense as defined in Section 102-15 of this Code, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of their actions. Such detention and temporary questioning will be conducted in the vicinity of where the person was stopped”

I know what your thinking. "THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO TRAFFIC STOPS!"
But it does, if a person commits an offense in section 102-15 (which is 725 ILCS 5/102-15). This section defines an "offense" as a violation of any penal statute of this State.
A "penal statute" is that which inflict a penalty for the violation of some of their provisions.
So is a traffic violation a penal statute? YES. Which also makes it an offense. Which allows you to stop and question the offender and demand certain information. Which makes it an investigatory stop. Which allows you to complete a contact card.

I realize that the TSSS order (Special Order S04-14-09) uses the terms "traffic stop" and "investigatory traffic stop". An investigatory traffic stop would be for an offense other than a traffic violation i.e., a car wanted in a robbery, shooting, etc. An investigatory traffic stop will not cause a TSSS card to be completed, but at the minimum a contact card will be completed. The special order S04-14-09 (TSSS order) DOES NOT preclude the completion of a contact card with a "traffic stop" and special order S04-13-09 (contact card order) does specifically allow it.
The dept does a very poor job of explaining all this which leads to much confusion.
In summary; You may complete a contact card in conjunction with a TSSS card if you wish.

Signed--Your Sergeant.

4/23/2015 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"OT: No surprise here -- Michael Brown's 'family' is suing the city of Ferguson for wrongful death.
Because a million bucks from a go fund me initiative is not enough money, now they feel the need to bankrupt their town? Maybe, if they had properly parented their offspring to begin with, none of this would have happened. Someone should sue both of the absentee parents for the havoc wreaked on the community as a result of their actions immediately after the incident and when the verdict was announced."

Agree 100%.

4/23/2015 09:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Bottom line: the cameras bring in much needed revenue to the city coffers. They should stay.

4/23/2015 12:53:00 AM

You are a well conditioned slave. A perfect democrat voter. You will never learn and you choose servitude over freedom.

4/23/2015 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Special Order S04-14-09 (explains which cards to fill out on a traffic stop). To sum it up. A stop for a vehicle violation is not an investigatory stop, so no contact card. That is defined as a traffic stop. A stop on a car for something as the occupants matching the description of a shooting is an investigatory stop, so a contact card is done. Read the orders!!

Did you read the whole order Mr. smartypants? Like the exception?

A Contact Information Card may be completed along with an Illinois Traffic Stop Statistical Study - Driver Information Card.

4/23/2015 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>Anonymous said...
OT: No surprise here -- Michael Brown's 'family' is suing the city of Ferguson for wrongful death.
Because a million bucks from a go fund me initiative is not enough money, now they feel the need to bankrupt their town? Maybe, if they had properly parented their offspring to begin with, none of this would have happened. Someone should sue both of the absentee parents for the havoc wreaked on the community as a result of their actions immediately after the incident and when the verdict was announced.

4/23/2015 09:52:00 AM<<<

Didn't the Sperm Donner cry out,
"BURN THIS BITCH DOWN!"
when the Grand Jury verdict was announced.

And he got his wish.

4/23/2015 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE: Brown family sueing Ferguson.

If the Brown family feels they have a case, they have a right to press their case.

But they will probably try the "the community is hurtin' and a settlement check would go a long way to soothing the pain" plan.

Or the "if you don't settle, no justice, no peace" we will riot and burn (again-tho what is left to steal?)

I hope the City of Ferguson fights this. (Go-Fund?) And when they prevail, go after the plaintiffs for the city's legal expenses.

4/24/2015 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.....Off topic - #68 on ET's list... Do I have a chance of getting hired?.....

Absolutely, after the phone call people, reverends, clouted, connected, merit and ca$h customers, you will be called!

Sherlock Holmes

4/24/2015 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Good riddance! Fuck LITTLE MOSCOW (Fox River Grove) and little shit-holes just like them- that are all about fucking citizens all in the name of REVENUE!

4/23/2015 01:00:00 PM


Cars can avoid the red light cam by cutting thru the gas station drive... Never a squad there, PD must know about it but nothing done....

4/24/2015 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special Order S04-14-09 (explains which cards to fill out on a traffic stop). To sum it up. A stop for a vehicle violation is not an investigatory stop, so no contact card. That is defined as a traffic stop. A stop on a car for something as the occupants matching the description of a shooting is an investigatory stop, so a contact card is done. Read the orders!!

Did you read the whole order Mr. smartypants? Like the exception?

A Contact Information Card may be completed along with an Illinois Traffic Stop Statistical Study - Driver Information Card.

-----

There is no exception anymore. You are reading old orders.

4/24/2015 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Home Rule is highly UnConstitutional from the Get-Go. Just ignore Chicagos Communist -(Democrat) American Freedom-Hating, corrupt, lying, thief Politicians

4/23/2015 03:04:00 PM

Perhaps you could try to explain just exactly how this is so.

4/24/2015 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Home Rule is highly UnConstitutional from the Get-Go. Just ignore Chicagos Communist -(Democrat) American Freedom-Hating, corrupt, lying, thief Politicians

4/23/2015 03:04:00 PM

Unfortunately you are the one that thinks that,not the justices. An example is the car window tints. Illinois allows them to 35%,Chicago, none on drivers or passengers windows. This was challenged under home rule. City won, appeals court sided with the city and the Illinois Supreme Court refused to hear the case. Below is the appellate courts ruling. All you have to do is read the last paragraph, the conclusion
http://www.state.il.us/court/R23_Orders/AppellateCourt/2012/1stDistrict/1111284_R23.pdf

4/24/2015 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

remember this guy roy McCampbell...the music man of Bellwood.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-16/news/ct-met-bellwood-indictment-20120816_1_bellwood-officials-village-positions-village-board

"While little-known outside government circles, McCampbell was at the forefront of the push to bring red-light cameras to the suburbs, once touting that Bellwood's first camera made so much money it was like a "casino type of operation."

they all deserve the boondock saints ending

4/24/2015 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't care because as soon as I retire, I'm moving to on e of those no camera towns and Shitcago will be in my rear view mirror forever!

4/24/2015 07:01:00 PM  

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