Weed to be (Nearly) Penalty Free
- Police won’t be able to arrest Illinoisans for having small amounts of marijuana if a bill passed by lawmakers gets Gov. Bruce Rauner’s signature.
On Thursday, the Illinois Senate joined the House in passing a bill that makes possession of 15 grams or less of marijuana a noncriminal offense. Instead, police would issue a ticket and a fine of no more than $125.
The Senate also sent Rauner a bill that would extend the state’s delayed medical marijuana program, which has an imminent expiration date.
But it’s unclear whether Rauner will sign the pot bills.
Anyone else suspect this has a lot to do with the profit numbers coming out of Seattle and Denver? The politicians smell money.
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
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SCC:
I was at the sergeant’s union meeting Thursday night.
You may have heard the radio commercials that state the City of Chicago wants its own casino.
It turns out that all 5 public safety unions’ (FOP 7, Fire Local 2 and the 3 PBPA Units) met with the City this week. The city has proposed that a casino will in fact be built. Sources say the votes are there to push it through in the state legislature.
Initially it would be a rush job and be placed at someplace McCormick place and eventually a new one would be built from the ground up.
ALL casino funds would go DIRECTLY to the police and fire pensions without the city getting their hands on it. (Hopefully that will be in writing.)
Here is the catch.. the city wants a five year grace period on paying the full amount due by December for the police and fire pension funds. The way it looks the unions will vote yes on this deal.
It would be smart for the city and our unions to put out commercials countering the negative radio commercials bashing Chicago and state the reason the Casino is necessary; to fund the public safety pensions.
The reason for the current negative commercials is because there are plenty other towns that want Casinos.
The commercials state that Chicago is trying to screw the “children”; probably because these other towns like Waukegan wish to use the cash from their casinos to fund education.
The bottom line is Chicago has the biggest hole to plug because of the pension fiasco.
OT
Many thanks to suburban northwest PO for assistance extended my gabby family member Thursday afternoon.
There's the tax possibility to pay for our pensions.
Will we get it?
This is Illinois!
Land of the Demo-Communists...
It can't go to people who work for a living...
It has to go to people who vote and breed for a living.
Chronic users tend to shiftless and unmotivated, ignorant and easily led.
IOW, the PERFECT Democrat supporter.
it's going to be legalized no matter what. Eventually. My only concern has always been that this will create yet another generation of useless people just like 'legal' alcohol.
Maybe weed sales can fund our pension
How much money is Seattle and Denver getting?
Just legalize it and get the tax money to fund our pensions
About time.
10 Cents here - I am going in with 9 cents with the over -37- shot this first holiday weekend.
See you all on el to Cicero this September. first class train with a stop in Lawndale, weather permiting..
OT --
"A 4-year-old girl was shot in the head and two teens were injured in a West Englewood shooting outside a prom gathering Friday night..."
Way to go.
You ever figure out who IS "the intended target," let us know.
Law and Common sense be damned. Money is where it's at.
Great now I will have to live with that stench coming from my hipster neighbor's apartments.
The politicians are just tipping their toes in the water with this Medical Marijuana farce. Be done with it. Legalize it and then tax the shit out of it.
What a disaster this city, and many others, have become. We no longer produce anything. We mainly redistribute wealth from the working saps to the deadbeats. Then the deadbeats play video games and smoke weed in the afternoon and terrorize the city in the evenings.
Rewarding bad behavior is not a great idea. Not about weed, just general attitudes and "solutions".
Coppers should be aware of this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=tihk
Signed,
A cop's wife
2 thoughts... Maybe legal, taxed weed can lead to a pension surplus.time to invest into Doritos!
Meh honestly who cares about little amount of weed; the state is broke and it really doesn't make any sense locking up stoners at $50/yr.
It's not like you won't get anything else on the pricks you're actually concerned with, I don't think there's a single gang dealer without felony/firearm out there.
You know it's all about the money.
Q. Why write tie up manpower writing tickets at all if weed is decriminalized?
A. The taxing mechanism isn't in place yet.
Am I right?
Come on Garry. Now a 4 year old shot on the southide Friday night? How are those strategies working out for you? Time for you to move on.
What happens when there is a refusal to sign said ticket?
Yes. Hopefully they do smell the money out of Denver.
There go the stats for the tact team . . . they might have to work for a change, or worse, they might have to stay a whole tour.
Wouldn't it be ironic if some of that revenue from taxing marijuana sales went to fund pensions?
our state is quickly sinking into a bottomless pit and now we might have to buy some less intimidating uniforms too
Please hit the money box this Memorial Day to send a message.
Politicians might be smelling money, but they're too stupid to think anything through.
The net amount Colorado will have left over after paying for their cannabis regulatory machine is, in the words of one legislator, "enough for one school."
See, it's for the children.
Illinois already has a tax law for cannabis and controlled substances:
http://tax.illinois.gov/LegalInformation/regs/part428/
$5 for every gram of cannabis;.
$250 for every gram of controlled substance.
Go ahead, try to enforce it. See how much money you can squeeze out of the dopers.
We don't need ANY new laws, what we need is enforcement, and it will never happen.
Something that has the potential to be a colossal problem to the taxpayers in the future should have been put to a vote.
++++++ '...the Illinois Senate joined the House in passing a bill that makes possession of 15 grams or less of marijuana a noncriminal offense.' +++++
Stoo-pid question, which I'm sure has been asked before.
Since Illinois is joining all these states that are passing these pot decriminalization laws, but marijuana is still illegal per Federal Law -- even for small amounts, i.e.: 15 grams or less -- what happens when a Non-Druggie Pot Head becomes president, and we once again have a REAL U.S. Attorney General, who also wasn't a pot smoking loser in college, but someone who actually FOLLOWS & ENFORCES THE LAWS legally passed by congress, and he rightfully orders the DOJ to go after all these outlaw states, annnnnd once again orders the DEA to go after and arrest ALL DRUG USERS?
Now I wouldn't expect our legislators to consider any future ramifications -- like the FedGov withholding money until we get back in compliance, and we sure as hell don't need that! -- as a majority of 'our geniuses' in Springfield have the IQ of sticks and basically are a bunch of spittle drooling imbeciles. But surely legislators in other states have considered this.
They all can't be morons. Can they?
(ps: pot will never be legal per Federa Law)
Re: the casino / pension bill - the City has had 4 years to make some effort towards paying the money REQUIRED by law. Yet they've done nothing. I sincerely doubt that they will do anything over the next 5 years either. I say pay up, then we'll talk.
Legalize marijuana like Colorado , it's no worse than alcohol . I have the feeling people are being paid off by drug cartels to keep it illegal . Just think of tax collected on every pack of marijuana cigarettes . Selling it illegal , now take assets for tax evasion . Look at the man hours , cost for enforcing matijuana laws , police , storage , lab results , courts , judges , states attorney , probation officers . Legalize it , let police fight real crime and raise billions of dollars for the state of Illinois .
beer at the lake and in the park. reefer madness in the alley. cpd has pestered us vagrants since forever. we should have told our stories walkin but
the moon over the water is pretty nice.
cpd has earned its pensions. that casino sounds like a big mess on the lakefront. I don't want it. like a museum at the campus or a liberty in the park. dumb. so many vacant buildings.
chicago was half wild not so long ago. kinda sad with all these groomed folks walking and typing now.
Black or white, who would you rather your kids listen to, this guy down below or Al Sharpton? Give this guy a look.
http://alfonzorachel.com/2325/michelle-obama-does-booker-t-a-disservice-at-tuskegee-u
I would like to see the statistics from Colorado and Oregon on the un-intended consequences of being able to smoke dope. I would bet traffic accidents have risen, petty shoplifting arrests have soared, street robberies have risen...All for the children !!!!
The Feds threatened to withhold Highway Funds from the state that didn't want to raise the drinking age to 21. How come they now are turning a blind eye to the states that are now legalizing/decriminalizing pot laws?
hey ssc legalize and then dui everybody driving under 501a4 it is a win win situation everybody makes money the police , defense attorneys more ot oh yeah baby
I just love driving around the westside with all that weed smoke in the air..
A casino is NOT the solution for the City Pension situation.
The unions are in a position to tell Rahm to F Off and follow state law. No concessions at fucking all Dean.
At least if you want to be around after the next election cycle Dean
Just legalize the shit already. Christ almighty.
If its legalized can we smoke it too??
Sorry. This is not good. No matter what people tell you,pot will just make more work for police. It makes people stupid just like booze. Job security I guess. Good luck with the stoners. I am sure they will be very cooperative man !
Come on Garry. Now a 4 year old shot on the southide Friday night? How are those strategies working out for you? Time for you to move on.
And somehow we're responsible for that? Don't be stupid.
ALL casino funds would go DIRECTLY to the police and fire pensions without the city getting their hands on it. (Hopefully that will be in writing.
yea OK sure it will
Think about this scenario , 10 minutes before that young man shot the 4 year old and two others the police stopped him , he went for his gun a struggle ensued and police officers were forced to use deadly force .
Can you imagine flaky,jackass baby daddie ,not so sharp ton and our racist community race baiters , politicians demanding police are indicted , some people just don't know that the police are the only people that really care about them . Stay safe .
It's about dam time....who cares if idiots smoke this garbage....it is harmless
We have politicians saying that we have too many black and brown people in jail due to marijuana laws.
The largest city in the State of Illinois has already decriminalized small amounts of marijuana.
The State of Illinois is about to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana as well.
The State of Illinois and City of Chicago are both in large amounts of debt and are looking for new revenue streams without major tax hikes.
Colorado and Washington State have both implemented successful legalization strategies while successfully raising funds for their states.
Am I missing something here? Why are they even discussing decriminalization when they should really be discussing legalization and taxation?
Every time a gang banger takes a hit from his joint he'd be helping pay for a police officers pension.
Anonymous said...
Come on Garry. Now a 4 year old shot on the southide Friday night? How are those strategies working out for you? Time for you to move on.
5/23/2015 08:16:00 AM
Did any one contact card the 4 yr old before he was shot? Then its the POs fault, not Uncle Garry's. If we contact carded the little rug rat there would be no waaaay he could've gotten shot. But the good news is that there is a decrease to report...the age of children in Chicago getting shot has decreased from 7 yrs to 4 yrs.
Tac needs to find another cb# so they can leave after 6 hrs while thr sgt sits in office
Now all you have to do is ban drug testing by potential employers.
Way it stands now, no orange safety vest and nylon strap to haul shopping carts for you...not like you wouldn't fly into a rage, shouting "Ain't no one tell me what to do!" the first time you were given instructions...
Another paver laid in the Yellow Brick Road to perpetual unemployment.
One firm has already left Colorado for South Carolina. So many impaired workers that they couldn't get anything done.
17 grams of Weed thrown out of Branch 29 like nothing and the judge gave me a shitty look to top it off!
Fuck Off! Judge Calabrese
Car starts check,radio on check, need fuel on to 39th top it off check, lunch and travel time check, 2 personals check, car wash check, back everyone up check, answer calls do report check go home safe check see ya!
Stop a car? What if they don't want to be stopped new rules right boss "you have to know the rules before you break the rules it makes it more fun" sorry boss want my pension!
Time matrix.
Numbers members on watch ,minus days off ,furlough baby furloughs, detail medical ans suspension. Total.times 15 % so stop biTching go to a meeting once in your life
Get caught with a little weed;
Shame on you citizen, pay a fine.
Get caught with a rock or jab;
Shame on you Office, no probable cause.
Chicago Casino said...
SCC:
I was at the sergeant’s union meeting Thursday night.
You may have heard the radio commercials that state the City of Chicago wants its own casino.
It turns out that all 5 public safety unions’ (FOP 7, Fire Local 2 and the 3 PBPA Units) met with the City this week. The city has proposed that a casino will in fact be built. Sources say the votes are there to push it through in the state legislature.
Initially it would be a rush job and be placed at someplace McCormick place and eventually a new one would be built from the ground up.
ALL casino funds would go DIRECTLY to the police and fire pensions without the city getting their hands on it. (Hopefully that will be in writing.)
Here is the catch.. the city wants a five year grace period on paying the full amount due by December for the police and fire pension funds. The way it looks the unions will vote yes on this deal.
It would be smart for the city and our unions to put out commercials countering the negative radio commercials bashing Chicago and state the reason the Casino is necessary; to fund the public safety pensions.
The reason for the current negative commercials is because there are plenty other towns that want Casinos.
The commercials state that Chicago is trying to screw the “children”; probably because these other towns like Waukegan wish to use the cash from their casinos to fund education.
The bottom line is Chicago has the biggest hole to plug because of the pension fiasco.
5/23/2015 12:42:00 AM
My concern is that this is just another bill of goods promised by the politicians. Also may I warn you that the casino industry is ever expanding. What assurance do we have that once the city gets one license to open up a casino then they won't open up another and another in a few years?
The Chicago area has plenty of casinos and no the revenue stream is not very consistent. It is a business just like any other business and the revenue stream goes up and down. Plus they have competition from other casinos. The best fucking solution- fund our pension like you were supposed to do in the first place. Stop playing games with my retirement. If you can find money out of thin air for all kinds of pet projects then you can find money for our pension.
10:08
Wont happen, casual pot use is no more dangerous than alcohol. Majority of Americans are indifferent about pot use.
If you don't want arrest then why should you collect revenue on it. I am not generating any revenue for these politicians. KMA!!
The casino could peter out in five years....just like Atlantic city. Getting a five year reprieve is kicking the can down the road by another name.
It takes money to set up in the legal marijuana business. One shit crop causes cash flow problems, you are broke.
Where is this marihuana going to be grown? I have been to California and Colorado and it is expensive as hell. $25 per gram. That's pretty steep.
So when can I go to the cop bar? You know, the cop weed bar. Or will it be a cafe? Share a hookah and relax with some Cheetos. Life is good. At least I'll be too high to care that they're stealing my pension.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
it's going to be legalized no matter what. Eventually. My only concern has always been that this will create yet another generation of useless people just like 'legal' alcohol.
5/23/2015 01:27:00 AM
The Temperance Movement is alive and well and posting on SCC.
OT read this weeks Chicago Reader . its about police shootings. Be careful, officers.
No, to a five year grace period , on the money due this December. Our fund needs that money now, not in five years. Don't fall for that one. The city can, and must pay.
been retired from cpd for 11 months and have a small ranch in colorado and a condo in florida that we usually split time in when we are not at our condo in we southwest burbs of chicago... usually go to colorado for a few weeks at a time... smoke weed usually on a daily basis.. just so happens weed grows on the very back of my property.. I swear, its "wild" growth weed.. ahahahahahha, loving retirement. MAX out of deferred comp. We did! travelling every month, gettin high and me and the wife are loving life. life is good after this department if youre smart and save your pennies boys and girls. dont go broke because you just had to have that house addition, new car every few years, 3 trips a year and all the toys etc... save save save and build up that retirement nest egg. we put every single overtime check in my last 13 years on the job and put it into a seperate bank account and kept rolling it over into very modest interest accounts and it flourished into a really sweet chunk of change. you can do it too, just stop being so hilbilly rich like the folks of englewood.. Too many coppers driking the hot cars, big trucks and jeeps and having to have all the boys toys and motorcycles etc.. wait until you retire, then buy that stuff. ha, shit!!! Im high now!! Sorry for the rant!
Can I qualify for a medical marijuana permit as a cop with ptsd? Can the dept/city deny me my medicine?
Legalize marijuana like Colorado , it's no worse than alcohol . I have the feeling people are being paid off by drug cartels to keep it illegal . Just think of tax collected on every pack of marijuana cigarettes . Selling it illegal , now take assets for tax evasion . Look at the man hours , cost for enforcing matijuana laws , police , storage , lab results , courts , judges , states attorney , probation officers . Legalize it , let police fight real crime and raise billions of dollars for the state of Illinois .
5/23/2015 10:35:00 AM
I can enjoy a glass of wine, a bottle of beer or a snifter of brandy without getting stoned. The whole purpose of weed is to get you stoned. I see a big difference.
If I didn't have kids I wouldn't be worried about the future, or maybe I am more mature now and worry about those things. Legalized weed will bring big problems to this country. I believe it will severely impact our work ethic and it's bad enough already.
Police and Fire pensions have always been kicked down the road for the last 30 years. We have the law that finally stops the can kicking and it's time to pay. If the casino helps to make our funds more solvent once it's up and running, great. But we should not even consider gambling the pension payment due to our funds this year on a promise from the city. Our chances of collecting 5 years down the road by giving them a pension holiday would be suicide for our pension fund. To all my elected FOP Officers collect my pension money that is due NOW. You better NOT even consider letting the city off the hook.
Time matrix.
Numbers members on watch ,minus days off ,furlough baby furloughs, detail medical ans suspension. Total.times 15 % so stop biTching go to a meeting once in your life
5/23/2015 06:42:00 PM
Lay off the sauce before you post.
What you are trying to say is your 15% elective usage is number of PO's not RDO minus # of PO's on furlo minus # of PO's on medical minus # of PO's detailed minus # of PO's at training = total available. Your 15% is 15% of this 'total available'.
Now this is where it becomes interesting with some XO's/commanders. Lets say if 4 people off is 14% and 5 people off is 17%, some XO's will tell you that you can only have 4 off. However, the MOU says 15% is the MINIMUM. So, 14% is less than that minimum and the department should have to eat the 2% overage (person #5 bringing the percentage to 17).
And this is where you see if your XO/commander has on his big boy pants, or would rather have a grievance due to letting less than the minimum percentage allowed off. Ask your DSS to see the excel spreadsheet......
Too many coppers driking the hot cars, big trucks and jeeps and having to have all the boys toys and motorcycles etc.. wait until you retire, then buy that stuff. ha, shit!!! Im high now!! Sorry for the rant!
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The above is all BS. Yea, you do the fun things when you are young. After you retire, tou sit on uer ass 80 percent of the time and every day if a gift above ground. I am sure your kids will enjoy all your save-save antics when you buy the farm.
Live for today young ones, tommaroww might not come.
Also, Mr. Pot Head, I bet you are a star on the beaches !!
Legalize it and then tax the shit out of it. It's an in-demand product (always has been) and will sell for a steep price. Use the city portion of the tax to fund pensions.
That would be a kind of restitution to CPD officers for all the hours spent booking and processing non-violent junk-food consumers.
been retired from cpd for 11 months and have a small ranch in colorado and a condo in florida that we usually split time in when we are not at our condo in we southwest burbs of chicago... usually go to colorado for a few weeks at a time... smoke weed usually on a daily basis.. just so happens weed grows on the very back of my property.. I swear, its "wild" growth weed.. ahahahahahha, loving retirement. MAX out of deferred comp. We did! travelling every month, gettin high and me and the wife are loving life. life is good after this department if youre smart and save your pennies boys and girls. dont go broke because you just had to have that house addition, new car every few years, 3 trips a year and all the toys etc... save save save and build up that retirement nest egg. we put every single overtime check in my last 13 years on the job and put it into a seperate bank account and kept rolling it over into very modest interest accounts and it flourished into a really sweet chunk of change. you can do it too, just stop being so hilbilly rich like the folks of englewood.. Too many coppers driking the hot cars, big trucks and jeeps and having to have all the boys toys and motorcycles etc.. wait until you retire, then buy that stuff. ha, shit!!! Im high now!! Sorry for the rant!
5/24/2015 12:35:00 AM
Love this post, enjoy yourself brother, hope i can write the same post in about 25yrs :)
17 grams of Weed thrown out of Branch 29 like nothing and the judge gave me a shitty look to top it off!
Fuck Off! Judge Calabrese
Are u serious? Complaining about weed getting thrown out you must be on the area sat team. Go get a pcs case
TAX it!
pension problem solved.
Do we really care about the potheads anyways.
Fiscally this is just the prudent thing to do. If U've been out there you can spend a tour in some districts just writing the sloppy ones. Don't even have to go through time and money wasting BS processing the people that have come from a shift on their very Own Country's Views. The crowd around fifty, to say, 60, aren't vigilant on this subject. Their children are more and more accepting of that and the practice now that's clearly going through most States. Most of the crowds mentioned above don't care about about this issue(Colrado, California, and Washington). The Western Part of The Country agrees with them because California will go "full boat" in 2016. The judges in Cook don't give a fuck about this type of smoking. At this point to place a voice on this topic is no different than "same sex marriage." Whether a person likes theses issues or not is irrelevant. It's the way The Country is going and if a person engaged in this type of behavior, as long as the person has a job, isn't violent, and can basically maintain some semblance of control is in the person's life. Judges won't do anything on the 1st one under 15 grams. The Copper can fill out a slip. That's it!
This needs to be considered. Our Pension Funds should get damn near 100% of the money generated from this category of revenue. This is a nice clean way to create a viable income stream. We are at crisis level in our pension funds, so let our funds feel this small stream of income. It's thirsty and for all we know this may be the only opportunity to get an income stream kicking. If the City hasn't allocated these funds directly to Our Pension something should be said by FOP #7 right quick. They're going this way, so fighting or disagreeing are now irrelevant and I want the money from this for 'Our Fund." We need some streams hitting that fund and get it down on paper in Springfield, The City, and I don't care if they have to issue another amendment to The constitution.
The Country is following in a "medical" or the more liberal States that are just allowing the use of this type of smoking. It's a very lucrative type revenue stream for to Colorado. Those "Fargin" a sneaky "basdages" will take this lucrative revenue source and force us to write the tickets, but Helllllls No are they willing to sit down and cut a legal, binding deal that grabs as much of this money for Our Pension Funds.
Show me that paper if I have to write tickets for sloppy smoking. They'll go up substantially if We know the money is a stream to repair "pension holidays.' Pension holidays were a way in which the people were taken advantage of. Why is anybody forgiving any one/enitity via "pension holiday." Some of the other common notions that were in the cheat shit of how to fuck the people over shall also be removed. There's still going to be a generation or 2 or three that are gonna need a job like this and God love us all we want to make sure those Generations did well and were properly represented.
I don't understand why Our Union under this "Dean Dude" just sits there devoid of any sound, not even at rattle to inform Management of simple BS implementations by the FOP Lodge#7.
Meh, where the money comes from for the pension isn't a police problem, it's a politician problem. They have to find the money, don't let them drag us into their problems, and don't let them off paying the money now, not later. These assholes don't actually care about solving the problems, they plan on looting for another 5 yrs then fleeing to Costa Rica or some such.
I couldn't have gotten so stinking rich without George Bush, George Bush Jr., Ronald Reagan, even El Presidente Obama, none of them have the cojones to stand up to all the big money that wants to keep this stuff illegal. From the bottom of my heart, I want to say, Gracias amigos, I owe my whole empire to you.
-- Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman Loera reported head of the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico, ranked 701st on Forbes' yearly report of the wealthiest men alive, and worth an estimated $1 billion, according to one of his closest confidants
Over the past four years I've asked police officers throughout the U.S. (and in Canada) two questions. When's the last time you had to fight someone under the influence of marijuana? (I'm talking marijuana only, not pot plus a six-pack or a fifth of tequila.) My colleagues pause, they reflect. Their eyes widen as they realize that in their five or fifteen or thirty years on the job they have never had to fight a marijuana user. I then ask: When's the last time you had to fight a drunk? They look at their watches.
-- Norm Stamper, former chief of the Seattle Police Department
Norman Stamper worked in Seattle, which means his mind has been warped by liberalism and Starbucks coffee.
No keeses for him!!!!
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