Hey, Where's Ours?
- Chicago officials have issued more than $1.2 million in penalty payment checks to hundreds of paramedics who a federal court judge determined had been shortchanged on overtime pay.
In addition to the penalty payment checks, the city also issued checks totaling nearly $2.5 million for the overtime it owed to paramedics but had not paid — for a total of more than $3.7 million to more than 700 paramedics, according to court documents and city officials. Paramedics recently began receiving those checks.
U.S. District Judge John Darrah ordered the payments to make up for underpaid overtime wages dating as far back as 2004. Four separate class-action cases filed between 2006 and 2012 led to the order.
The cases relate to the odd hours worked by the paramedics in the Chicago Fire Department Bureau of Emergency Medical Services. Paramedics work 24-hour shifts, with days off between, often logging 48 hours a week. For all hours that exceed 40 per week, they get paid overtime, at a rate of 1 1/2 times their salary.
Um, don't we work 9-hour days? Four-on-two-off only equals six days, so the seventh day you work, you're actually working 45 hours in a calendar week four weeks in a row:
So that's 20 hours of overtime minus the 8 hours for the short weeks, means we've been getting shortchanged a net of 12 hours every six weeks.
Hop to it Dean - we aren't seeing that casino money any time soon, so we better make our nickels and dimes while we can.
Hop to it Dean - we aren't seeing that casino money any time soon, so we better make our nickels and dimes while we can.
Labels: FOP, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:41 AM
53 Comments:
The city was ready to pay our back OT but dean said "don't worry about it" in exchange for a merit promotion for jr
Anybody there FOP? I believe Oak Lawn is on this schedule too.
Cool!!! Looks like I'm getting a new fence AND the new floaty chair!!!!
Remember that you fools elected Dean who was ànd is on disability! He is not going out of his way for the troops! Next time cast your vote for a full duty active police officer!
It's 171 for a 28 day period under flsa subsection k. So for us we get screwed by 11 hours per week with no overtime while for civilians it's 160 hours when flsa kicks in.
8.5 hrs. Half hr unpaid lunch.
Tell the federal judge about it.
Your logic would have been sound, however, this contract revoked the 40 hour work week for us. When we agreed to the 4-2 schedule it came with benefits of more days off. We didn't take a pay cut for working less so why would we get overtime?
We don't work 45 hours in a week. The most is 42 1/2. And then when we work 4 days in a week it's 34 hours that week. It all evens out. Move on to more important things. 4-2 sked is the best.
You have had this schedule how many years, and no one has grieved the lack of overtime pay? Ever?
Eh... the FOP did call city hall, I believe it went something like this "Hey, Rahm... what is it you's taking from Morrie's on 35th? Yup, no problem Rahmy, one Char-Broiled Strip Steak Sandwich with cheddar fries coming up"
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Those FOP bums are a some second rate douches, those guys love toting Rahm's water
You get down time for lunch and such. Not so for cfd.
If you open the lid on your toilet, you will see ours.
Former board members brought it to Dean during the transition and Dean turned his back on it. Nothing in it for Dean so he just blames that old work schedule committee / that his son was part of btw/.
CPD officers asking for overtime with the on/off rotation of 4/2, is asking the city to devise a new plan that will and with many past examples, screw us all. Be careful what you ask?
With the addition of the 9 hr day, how did the city get away with stealing furlough days from us? If your WORKING DAY is 9 hrs how do you only receive 230 hrs in Furlough time? The 25 WORKING DAYS should mean just that, not 23 and burn YOUR time for 25. Anyone with this situation should call the lodge and demand they address this,it's a no-Brainer for them.
Retirement in September Dean will we have our back pay from this by then?
The medics were apparently not getting duty availability, hence the checks.
I said something to this effect with a previous FOP president and was told (essentially) not to concern myself. The city tried to pull a fast one on the FD guys. and seemed they did on us.
These 12 suck. All my extra cash is going to the sitter
I had been saying the same thing about the six day work week since I was hired 27 years ago. From the first day we worked to the last day was 48 hrs. I am glad that a Federal Judge has vindicated me. As for our current schedule, I'd like to see the FOP file suite, but I won't hold my breath. After all, the FOP does have to protect the city's interest.
++++++ By Hal Dardick, Tribune Reporter: '....Mayor Rahm Emanuel and aldermen are trying to find ways to close next year's projected 2016 budget gap of nearly $1 billion. . . . Most of that gap is the result of a state requirement that the city dramatically step up payments to the police and fire pension funds . . . ' ++++++
Huh?!? A "state requirement", oh really??
----- Was it "the state" that negotiated the previous contracts where said pension bennies are stipulated? --- NO, it was 'The City'.
----- Was it "the state" who wrote the previous 'City' budgets and passed them into law, budgets that showed the Pension Under Funding in black and white? -- NO, it was 'The City'.
----- Was it "the state" who raided 'The City's' piggy bank and 'appropriated' (stole) money allocated for the pensions and spent it on bullshit vote buying projects? --- NO, it was 'The City'.
----- Was it "the state" that last rewrote the Illinois Constitution that put Pension Payments in it? NO, it was 'The City' and the Democratic Party of Illinois!!!
Sooooooo Mr Hal Hardick, would you like to try rewriting the article, leaving 'the state' alone, and put the blame for the Pension CRISIS squarely where it fucking belongs!! You know whose fault it is Hal -- Come on, you can do it -- Mayor Richard M. Daley, his lackeys in the City Council, and all Illinois Democrats !!!
See how easy that was Hal, you fucking Democrat toady.
(you should be ashamed to call yourself a 'reporter')
Hahahahaha, you think dean will step up in this now??? He knows if he did it would be suicide for him and relations with city hall. Dean is a guy who believes in keeping his enemy's close, unfortunately when he does that he bows down to them thinking he is playing politics. No chance the fop will say a single word for this
Oh yeah and we have been working the schedule for a few years and thoughretired and could use any money which is mine they owe me If I can get my paws on it! Work your magic FOP!
Local 2 turned this down... Paramedics had to go about it independent of the Union. Why would FOP be any different and take on a sure multi-million dollar winner? What would the mayor say?
If this true??? And Dean is more concerned about lil Dean!! We need a vote of no confidence.
Fop get off ur do nothing non commenting asses and file a lawsuit we got nothing to lose.....they won't o well
Police and Firefighters are exempt from FLSA (fed labor standards act) singe role medics are not. Would have to cross trained to be exempt.
ret.fd.medic.
Police officers and firefighters are exempted by federal law for overtime pay for regularly scheduled hours over 40. Paramedics are not. They won a similar lawsuit in the 90s and the city still short changed them.
You want a real payday? In light of the Steinle Murder in SF, if you are the victim of a crime where the offender is a previously arrested illegal alien, sue the city and the county.
CFD Paramedics work hard and that's a burn-out job.
God Bless and keep them safe.
I can guarantee you that Rahm is pissed off at this and will seek his revenge and CFD and the public be damned.
To cut the overtime he will probably cut the number of ambulances available and tighten up protocols for dispatching ambulances.
Most probably he will order them on a different shift system, no more 24 on 48 off. But the CFD has a REAL union and would fight that.
Im sure the FOP is right on this.....yep... they always have been, right??
cfd medics work 24 on 72 off...rahm is pissed, everything is on the table!
Paramedics are the best thing that ever happened to the CFD
Anonymous said...
You want a real payday? In light of the Steinle Murder in SF, if you are the victim of a crime where the offender is a previously arrested illegal alien, sue the city and the county.
7/06/2015 11:52:00 AM
You are forgetting that it would be a Calif case. They think differently then the rest of us. By their reasoning, the real victim is the illegal. It would be wrong in their view to inconvenience him with a possible detention by ICE.
Police and firefighters don't fall under protection with that law. It's for paramedics only. They initially won the 1st lawsuit around 1994. That is when the citychangedtheir schedule for 1 on/2 off,to the schedule of 1 on/3 off. Trust me Iwish that we all could reap that benifit
Why the FUCK is our lunch unpaid?
Each paramedic got $5,000
If you open the lid on your toilet, you will see ours.
7/06/2015 07:17:00 AM
Good God, doesn't your family Flush? It's that silver handle on the left hand side!
I know this is a stupid question, but how does an idiot like this FOP Pres end up in charge? I mean, you have elections, right? I don't think I've seen a single good thing on this site about the dude.
Jesus H Christ! $300 more and I could have been a fireman!
"From the first day we worked to the last day was 48 hrs"
Do the math... It may have been 48 hours straight, but only 40 hours per calendar week.
With the addition of the 9 hr day, how did the city get away with stealing furlough days from us? If your WORKING DAY is 9 hrs how do you only receive 230 hrs in Furlough time? The 25 WORKING DAYS should mean just that, not 23 and burn YOUR time for 25. Anyone with this situation should call the lodge and demand they address this,it's a no-Brainer for them.
Uggg. Here we go again. The working day furlo was converted to HOURS(200 of them). Add up the number of HOURS you actually work in a YEAR, if you had no vacation. I'll bet it's LESS than 2080. (52 weeks*40hrs) Therefore, to offset some of that, you have to add 1/2 hour to BFD's and get 'shorted' 1.48 days on your V-Days. It all comes out in the wash, if you look at it over a whole year. And, It's a 8.5 hour day; when you take CU, its 8.5, not 9. Now, if you'd like to negotiate something more in your contract, like the supervisors did: (sell back hours, more P-Days than BFD's) then go right ahead.
if you workd 4 day at 12 hours quadruple time Right FLOP
Just don't ask ray the Range Guy 1st VP HE don't no and agrees with the city Every Time Every Time
With the addition of the 9 hr day, how did the city get away with stealing furlough days from us? If your WORKING DAY is 9 hrs how do you only receive 230 hrs in Furlough time? The 25 WORKING DAYS should mean just that, not 23 and burn YOUR time for 25. Anyone with this situation should call the lodge and demand they address this,it's a no-Brainer for them.
7/06/2015 07:54:00 AM
You get 200 hours, not 230. Regardless 25 working days should mean 25 days not 23.5.
"You get down time for lunch and such. Not so for cfd.
7/06/2015 06:00:00 AM"
Of course you never "go out of service". Save the working men have to grab quick bite when you can bullshit, You eat better at the firehouse then you do @ home.
These heroic guys and gals are confronting and alleviating human misfortune and misery on a daily basis, elbow deep in stranger's HIV+, Hep B & C body fluids but politicians and bureaucrats want to scam them out of OT pay. Evil and scandalous!
From the very beginning of this horse shit with "conversion" of
furlough days into "furlough hours," the table was set for us to be
short changed by shortshanks.
What happened to the former 25 days @ 20+ years?
Alleged proposal of 30 days @ 20+ years?
We know for a fact that city hall was annoyed with coppers
retiring with YEARS of C/U on the books and being cut big
checks.
This annoyance coincided with that inbred cretin Crime King Shorty
being told by Burke y Cia. that the built-in budget gimmickry was no
longer sufficient to cover-up the riotous "friends, family and campaign
contributor thievery was getting very hard to keep concealed.
We knew coppers who accumulated tidy amounts of time who have
retired over the years.
It went from grudging lump sum payments to "we gotta cut you checks on the
installment plan because what you're owed queers the day-to-day operating expenses."
The result?
"We gotta try and keep these coppers from accumulating so much time."
That...
Is when they started peeling away court time and our ability to
"Bat For The Cycle."
Policemen had firm control over how much or how little money/time
they could make because there was plenty of court.
Plus if you were agile enough, you could rack up a couple or three
conveniently concurrent trials...
This was when Chicago Policing WAS about HUNTING Bee-Ay-Dee
muthafuckahs and putting that ass in Jail/Prison.
Love of the law and hatred for these wild, unchecked street criminals,
giving a shit about the little guy trying to get in the damn door before
the rising back-wash of what ails this city swept him and his small bag
of groceries off his porch.
We had no problem with telling a wild, unchecked street criminal that
there was no love, care or concern and that they represented nothing
to us other than court time.
That stirred more outrage than "Yo' Mamma a HOE!"
Reality based Policing.
Not this soft and squishy,
Alinskite Progressive led
Protected Demographic
pity party, excuse making
and Race Card playing,
Anal-Whore media inspired,
"How come you Cops aren't
being punished for getting
complaints" nonsense that
has become the new societal
calculus.
"WAH!
You old Cops are so mean and full of hate!
We need to make you guys go away so we
can have more sensitive and caring Police
who play nice and don't scare us like you
old monsters contemptuously hiding
behind your cop-staches! WAH!"
Don't you worry your l'il puddin' heads...
You're about to have it your way in spades.
++++++ By Hal Dardick, Tribune Reporter: '....Mayor Rahm Emanuel and aldermen are trying to find ways to close next year's projected 2016 budget gap of nearly $1 billion. . . . Most of that gap is the result of a state requirement that the city dramatically step up payments to the police and fire pension funds . . . ' ++++++
Huh?!? A "state requirement", oh really??
----- Was it "the state" that negotiated the previous contracts where said pension bennies are stipulated? --- NO, it was 'The City'.
----- Was it "the state" who wrote the previous 'City' budgets and passed them into law, budgets that showed the Pension Under Funding in black and white? -- NO, it was 'The City'.
----- Was it "the state" who raided 'The City's' piggy bank and 'appropriated' (stole) money allocated for the pensions and spent it on bullshit vote buying projects? --- NO, it was 'The City'.
----- Was it "the state" that last rewrote the Illinois Constitution that put Pension Payments in it? NO, it was 'The City' and the Democratic Party of Illinois!!!
Sooooooo Mr Hal Hardick, would you like to try rewriting the article, leaving 'the state' alone, and put the blame for the Pension CRISIS squarely where it fucking belongs!! You know whose fault it is Hal -- Come on, you can do it -- Mayor Richard M. Daley, his lackeys in the City Council, and all Illinois Democrats !!!
See how easy that was Hal, you fucking Democrat toady.
(you should be ashamed to call yourself a 'reporter')
7/06/2015 09:46:00 AM
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If the City had their druthers, they wouldn't fund your pension at all. They have better uses for that money, like making sure they get re-elected until they get convicted or die, and to make sure their friends GET PAID!.
If not for the state and the courts, the city politicians would get their wish, and you would get f'd (with no lube).
With the addition of the 9 hr day, how did the city get away with stealing furlough days from us? If your WORKING DAY is 9 hrs how do you only receive 230 hrs in Furlough time? The 25 WORKING DAYS should mean just that, not 23 and burn YOUR time for 25. Anyone with this situation should call the lodge and demand they address this,it's a no-Brainer for them.
Uggg. Here we go again. The working day furlo was converted to HOURS(200 of them). Add up the number of HOURS you actually work in a YEAR, if you had no vacation. I'll bet it's LESS than 2080. (52 weeks*40hrs) Therefore, to offset some of that, you have to add 1/2 hour to BFD's and get 'shorted' 1.48 days on your V-Days. It all comes out in the wash, if you look at it over a whole year. And, It's a 8.5 hour day; when you take CU, its 8.5, not 9. Now, if you'd like to negotiate something more in your contract, like the supervisors did: (sell back hours, more P-Days than BFD's) then go right ahead.
Nope....if I work 8.5, and I take off and it costs me 8.5, and a p-day is worth 8.5, my v-day and BFD should also be worth 8.5.
With the addition of the 9 hr day, how did the city get away with stealing furlough days from us? If your WORKING DAY is 9 hrs how do you only receive 230 hrs in Furlough time? The 25 WORKING DAYS should mean just that, not 23 and burn YOUR time for 25. Anyone with this situation should call the lodge and demand they address this,it's a no-Brainer for them.
7/06/2015 07:54:00 AM
You get 200 hours, not 230. Regardless 25 working days should mean 25 days not 23.5
Then just call them days then Used Car Salesmanship by FLOP
I would have taken that job but I hate ladders!
firefighters and police officers are exempt from the law. Check out the law
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