13 "Merit" Sergeants Made
Looks like the rumors were true once again:
There's the list of 13 "merit" picks. The Department is short nearly 80 sergeants as we write and due to the recent win by the Sergeant Union over the "55 and Free Medical Care" issue, will be short another 80 or so by May of 2016 when the benefit runs out and isn't renewed. But McCan'tFollowTheRules is going to make these 13 out-of-order picks and give them major seniority over anyone who earned it.
Supposedly, the FOP has filed for an injunction and McMoron has said he doesn't have to follow the rules. Just to help everyone follow along, these are from the Human Resources website:
Supposedly, the FOP has filed for an injunction and McMoron has said he doesn't have to follow the rules. Just to help everyone follow along, these are from the Human Resources website:
Section A states quite clearly, "...of each round of promotions," and Section 12 says "If Merit Selection is used, CPD shall fill no more than 30% of the recognized career service vacancies....in each round of promotions." Those are the city's criteria and have been for years - past practice.
Last we checked, 100% is a bit more than 30%, even to someone from New York.
Garry needs to be gone if he can't understand the plain language of the process.
Last we checked, 100% is a bit more than 30%, even to someone from New York.
Garry needs to be gone if he can't understand the plain language of the process.
Labels: promotions, un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
265 Comments:
Hmm going from one foot in the federal pen to a merit sgt. By mcarthy you sure can pick em.
This department is a joke--the only job where being a complete unethical f--k-up will earn you a merit promotion. Can't wait to leave this pathetic job.
Poulos, really? Must of been all those anov's! wtf
Congrats Bobby Garza. Hardest worker up in Area One. Always working a case and talking to witnesses or offenders. He and his team handled that triple homicide and two offerders were charged.
Can someone sue him, personally, for knowingly violating the contract?
What's the word Bird. Congrats. Good luck
"Merit", my ass. Suckholes all. The City of Chicago refuses to define their criteria for "merit". Call it what it is: CLOUT.
By my math if he made 13 merit picks he should be required to make at least 30 off of the list. If those 30 are not promoted at the same time as the 13 they should be able to file a grievance or lawsuit. The 30 would be eligible for back pay and a seniority date to match the 13 merit picks.
File a damn lawsuit against the city. If they get away with this, then 100% merit promotional classes will be the norm. This effects ALL officers of ALL ranks.
This is complete bullshit. Those of us that are close to being promoted by score should get together and file law suit.
Now go get these Sergeants some activity bitches....
I recommend all officers committ these names to memory. Remember these are the finest CPD has to offer. What a joke
You can say each guy/gal is a good guy/gal all you want...they are all pieces of blow job shit
The language is plain as day. I would be absolutely insulted and incensed if I was anywhere in the next 200 or so on the list. And those who are better get in the ear and inbox of the FOP representatives.
Marquette 10
Spitball class
And now the Merit 13. Will follow these "Sgts" the rest of their career. I'm sure some will still try to deny they were merit thou lol
13 is and unlucky number too...
The best and the brightest!
Caluris finally got his sidekick Sherman promoted. It only took him being put in 4x to finally get promoted meritoriously. I guess working inside for over 10 years really paid off. This is the best the department can promote? That's a slap in the face to all the working coppers out there.
A summary of the actions performed by these superstars that warranted their merit promotion would be nice.
Good news is Ralph Price's troll got passed over again. 7 times now. Get a hint. Several supt's think your a goof.
Totally BS I don't disagree agree with merit because there are those that are well deserving But this PLEASE .... a actual candidate that earned it loses Seniority, Money and let's just say they gave a Lt. Test sooner then we think.
not having thoses few months or possible year at the rate the city moves could possibly disqualify you from taking the exam. It may seem small now but could hurt other candidates in a long run... This is ridiculous!!!
Dean Angelo is a big part of the problem . He is lying n bed with all of the current administration and will not attack any part of it . You don't attack when that happens . Isn't it about time that young coppers start getting pissed off and attend union meetings . Their needs to be a change in what goes on down in our union hall . Let's quit electing detectives and start electing members who will represent the common copper who pushes around a beat car . Aren't u tired of watching specialized units and people getting promoted ? It happens because we don't get involved and make accountable our representatives . Think about it when's the last time Dean , Greg , Tommy , Ray or Caps got into a squad car and did a tour of duty ? Let's see was it the Chicago Fire , 1968 Democratic Convention or last time the Cubs won the World Series ?
If they make 100 Sgts the whole year
They are allowed 30 merit it does not
Say in the contraXT each class /round/ needs to be defined Do really think Micky
Would make a class without permission
No congratulations from me. You want congratulations EARN IT the right way.
God Bless... Congrats. Your hell will even get worse once you say I do to the stripes. Mine ends in just a few months.
Scc I understand that the department is once again playing games with careers. It's infortunate that several of the names on this list are some of the bravest policemen I have had the honor of knowing. Guys that have earned their stripes unlike so many of the hacks that get promoted. For their sake I hope they get promoted off of this list. I must also agree with your post, in the main. -'40 sector hump'
That's his fuzzy math. m
He needs to go back to grammar school for the basics of math.
UFR! OS.. Merit from what?!?! Playing the rev and pastor game?!?! Merit is supposed to be earned by the police work pertaining to your job no??? It's no wonder this deperment is so F'ed up!
Great job posting the names, rats and roaches hate the light of day cast upon them. Treat them like the pariah's of society they are.
Oh yea, this really motivates me to do work boss. Despicable.
Zogg is a good guy. He deserves it. Too bad.
It's just their updated version of "notify the watch commander" and ExamScam. No transparency, standards or accountability.
The clouted bosses just pick whoever they're told to pick. Is it any wonder why this PD is circling the drain? Speaking of fraud, it would be hard to top those 6-figure "gold braid" pensions for life. This job is DEAD.
I've never seen as list as heavy as this one. At least one is a double merit in the last 7 years. Another was chosen over an officer who had been shot in the line of duty from Bureau of Patrol. Lastly, another comes off of medical just as invitations are given to the chosen few. Although I knew this was the process years ago, it makes me sick to see our Superintendent thumb his nose at the contract rules set in place. Violate his rules, he launches your ass. Go back to where you came from asshole. I actually thought he'd be good for us. Boy was I wrong. 1st and 16th boys and girls. This department could give two shits about you and the work you do. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Tonto out
He needs to be gone for many other reasons than that. Totake it a step further, he should have never been here in the first place!
This elite group of 13 must really be hot shit. They must be so much more qualified than the people who actually did well on the test. I hear by crown these elite 13 as the new Seal Team 13.
Who cares, we're short more blue shirts. Hire more blue shirts!
Ironic how the notice instructs 13 merit hacks who just leaped over 13 rank order members to "secure legal parking" for training when the so called promotions were the direct result of contract and hiring plan violations.
Congratulations to these 13 new Sgts, they are forever marked.
189 has not had a quality merit pick in about five years. They have had nothing but dumb as rock goofs, BJ dollies, and inflated ego buy guys. Paris, is just another in a long list of sad candidates from there. Can anyone recall the last 189 merit pick that was actually deserving of the spot?
Gary the goof is going nowhere until the midget leaves
What makes you think this isn't from City Hall? Garry does what he's told.
Not a Garry fan at all.
Have no fear---Deano has it under control.
Paul Zogg is a class act. 3 tours in Iraq.
Let me throw this out: I don't have a lot of respect for the merit process generally, but I'd go anywhere Paul Zogg pointed. A very solid cop, and an even more solid guy.
I smell a rat ! What was Don " Barnaby Jones" O'Neill's role in this mess ?
Guy from 004 gets promoted over the guy who was shot in the head in 004?
Wow, really makes you want to go study for a test, eh?
Ask each and everyone of them on this list.. They will tell you they deserved the promotion!
Ego maniacs!
Congratulations Garza, still happy for you even if people are ragging.
Merit or not, congrats Steve.
JA
99-B Rat Pack
Well, at least they didn't get the "answers" from the "Malloy study group" then act like they studied really hard.
and what of the effect of such nonsense on the troops....am sure McCarthy, Rousell, Price, O Neill--and whoever else had a hand in this truly do not care. Am not saying promotional class should have zero merit---But we needed Sgts and they made em rank order- they did not have merit selections complete--so NO MERIT...too bad for all concerned. Next class- viola here is your already chosen merits (plus or minus any to be no more than 20% of class).
Congrats PZ! Happy for you!!!
S/F
That is some shady shit right there... Only in this city...
Wow take a look at how many were made from units compared to districts. Then look at how not one was made from Gangs when they make the majority of GVRS related arrests. Tells you how important and how much the department values your efforts. I mean really all those detectives are worthy of merit when the clearance rate is atrocious ranking well below national averages. This department is a joke unless you are a clouted connected clown who sucks up. Wait till the LT. list comes out and the merit picks from HQ are on it, nothing to see here move along sheep.
Now all 13 should be eliminated from future list
The previous class was comprised of 31 rank order selections and 0 merit picks. This class is 0 rank order and 13 merit picks. If you put the 2 classes together, it's 70% rank and 30% merit, with the rank order getting seniority on the merit picks.
I'm not a cop, but will be in Chicago in a month or so. If I find some local politico and schmooze good enough, I think I want to be a chicago police sgt. Don't have anything else going on
CPD = Clusterfuck Police Department
Here is how many years they have on:
Altamirano 12 years on
Barsch 16 years
Connelly j 16 years
Garza 15 years
Connolly l 17 years
Poulos. 14 years
Scott r 18 years
Stovar 9 years
Zogg 16 years
Sherman 21 years
Thompson 14 years
Lambert 21years
Neely 21 years
At least we know who has juice
What a failed "leader" this guy turned out to be. A slap in the face to all those that put the hard work in the process. Another morale buster. Also a waste of Academy resources to just put 13 through the 5 week process. I guess we have to come up with a catchy name for the McCarthy 13.
Congrats Paul Zogg
Congrats to SB from 009! He is a hard worker ,who truly does deserve this promotion. Good luck in your new position.
They are definitely not by score, nor are they what exemplifies the standard definition of merit. Another hit to moral.
Congrats, but none of you earned it. Gotta love this town.
If your on the list, file a class action now, it's a no brainier.
Different rules for the special. Whatever, the job is lost and has been. Just go to your jobs. And remember contact cards are the most important thing.
As usual SCC....spot on...spot F*n on.....
Congrats to the guys from 009. Well deserved.
File a lawsuit and be sure to include punitive damages against McCarthy
13 is 30% of 43.
The previous class was comprised of 31 rank order selections and 0 merit picks. This class is 0 rank order and 13 merit picks. If you put the 2 classes together, it's 70% rank and 30% merit, with the rank order getting seniority on the merit picks.
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What part of "each round" don't you understand? If the city isn't ready with their picks, too damn bad
Wasn't the last name on that list in a no-pay status due to the SOS scandal?
ThIs is seriously FUCKED UP!!! If we put up with this bullshit we are a bunch of fucking idiots! I'm not mad at the new Sgts because you can't blame them for accepting but what the fuck are the higher ups thinking?! This is a direct FUCK YOU to every PO on the department! And if you don't get on the phone to Deano today you deserve what you got coming. Ask Deano wtf is going on and wtf does he plan on doing about this.
Mcarthy has been merit his entire career and has no problem promoting the connected simply because they are connected because that's how he moved up the ranks. This self righteous entitlement bullshit is out of control and is a blatantly taking us for a bunch of fools!! Not to mention how fucked you're going to be if you happen to get stuck with one of these incompetent hacks as your Sgt. Hey bosses when you promote somebody that doesn't know what they are doing you are doing more harm then good. It's counter productive because you have that sgt's POs afraid to do shit because they know they have a moron for a Sgt. These POs are forced to stay in the squad car because why take the chance of getting jammed up sued or even killed with a no nothing Sgt at the helm making fucked up and sometime dangerous leadership decisions on a daily basis!
Gotta love it when people with 9 years get merit. Now how many contact cards did you want boss?
Congrats PZ (BRHS-88), Kirkland Stevie and Bobby "Pinche" G. I personally know all three. All great men. I wish you all the best!
Signed, the Actual hardest worker in 610.
The previous class was comprised of 31 rank order selections and 0 merit picks. This class is 0 rank order and 13 merit picks. If you put the 2 classes together, it's 70% rank and 30% merit, with the rank order getting seniority on the merit picks.
10/30/2015 07:50:00 AM
Math wasn't your strong class, was it??
Hope you don't work in finance.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wasn't the last name on that list in a no-pay status due to the SOS scandal?
10/30/2015 09:26:00 AM
No, he was wrongly accused and dragged through the mud because of the sos scandal. Paul should have never been stripped and sent to 311.......
Signed GI
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The language is plain as day. I would be absolutely insulted and incensed if I was anywhere in the next 200 or so on the list. And those who are better get in the ear and inbox of the FOP representatives.
10/30/2015 02:14:00 AM
$$$$
Did you read the thread before you posted? ""the FOP has filed for an injunction and McMoron has said he doesn't have to follow the rules.""
1. If you see posts going after FOP on this you have to ask what the poster's motivation is.
2. Why would the city do this and front off these 13? They basically subjected these officers to ridicule for the rest of their careers.
3. Only one officer of the 13 actually working in a patrol car. Yep that's a moral booster isn't?
Who cares?How many bosses go to these "invitation only"study groups where they are given answers to tests and somehow everyone from these groups gets promoted?And then the same guys look down their noses at "merit"bosses.The whole system stinks.Why single out only these stooges?
This should not surprise anyone mcShit was merit every rank on NYPD. He is a total disgrace.
How has Garry been here long enough to even make a real choice about merit? He knows no one in this dept but suck hole bosses and suck hole secretaries that work in HQ. How does he feel SO strongly about these people that he breaks the rules just to get them in?? I wonder what it's like to work for a real police department?
How do I get on that bullshit list?
Anonymous said...
Congrats Bobby Garza. Hardest worker up in Area One. Always working a case and talking to witnesses or offenders. He and his team handled that triple homicide and two offerders were charged.
10/30/2015 01:03:00 AM
-Bobby, its not polite to write comments about yourself.
I couldn't even imagine what would go on if we didn't have a contract.
3 persons on this list are double merit promotions. I'm sorry but that is not fair to the rest of the officers who work hard every day. One guy on this list was in callback linked to the SOS scandal. Now he's a Sergeant? Absolutely sickening.
Connelly in 009 has not had a bad spot in all his years. Taken care of from the start. How long were detailed to the FBI's. Nice guy thou.
If FOP does nothing, what prevents the city for making the next 60 spots in a class all merit, then have a classes to equal 140 down the road? City is attempting to change the manner of promotions, FOP must act.
FOP please do something - Dean, Big Talker, is time to shut up and finally do something.
nonymous said...
Good news is Ralph Price's troll got passed over again. 7 times now. Get a hint. Several supt's think your a goof.
10/30/2015 03:56:00 AM
Listen up: It was Price at legal affairs and only Price who stated this was blatantly contrary to the contract. Price nailed that POS Jose Velez and he is not beholden to the Irish mob.
It doesnt matter what the prior class with NO MERIT was....the city has the option of up to 30% merit for every class....this is a seperate class with a different seniority date....so the city is in violation...or just make the very last class of every test the Merit class so they do not have seniority over those that made it off the score..and the department never defines the criteria for Merit...its not numbers...thats for sure....AND you should only get one bite from that merit apple period....just my 2 cents.
I don't care or want to know the background of any of the 13 merit. You STOLE a promotion from some officer who actually put his life on hold and studied his ass off to score well. All you 13 should be ashamed. I will never address you as Sergeant.
Dogg and Garza great guys? Maybe so, but I didn't find "great guys" anywhere as a criteria for promotion. You need to actually know what to do in critical situations or even everyday small matters. Sorry, they are going to be patrolman again in short order.
Why isn't Officer Del Pearson on this list? He definitely deserves to be in my opinion.
Injunction hearing 1030 today
They are not HEAVY, let's all be honest, and especially to the MERIT PICKS, you are low life ass kissing, ball licking, weasels who used deception and false hard work to step over those who deserved it more than you. You were picked because you would rather go the easy route and perpetuate everything that's wrong with this department. You will have no respect your entire career from real workers who didn't kiss someone's ass to get where there at. And don't forget to tell your kids and family at the promotion party how you were promoted, asshole.
here is the problem with jamming this 13 with the last class and calling them one round of promotions. 1. they do not have the same seniority as the last class so it cannot be the same round. 2. this logic means that unused merits may be stockpiled indefinitely, e.g., what is the difference between what is being done here and simply saying that all the possible merits were not used from a class 5 or 10 years ago and use those too? Garry would never have to promote a non-merit again.
The problem is the city can't just add merit later on when promotions are made. They are the ones who promote and basically the idea behind a promotion ROUND is use it or lose it (merit). What they should have done was NOT promote the 31 off the list if they were NOT ready with the merit process. Too bad. Wanna make 13 merits than promote another 31 off the LIST!
They get UP to 30 percent each round.....a round would be understood as a class.....31 off list and zero merit means city failed to utilize the merit picks in that round....you can't "make up" a later class of merit because you failed to complete the process. Simple solution is don't promote until your ready. SORRY MERIT PEOPLE, but you may make it soon BUT only when they promote another 31 people OFF THE LIST!
Around 21 years ago, a bunch of hires were Rejected. There was a lawsuit, and all with Juice were retested and hired. Remember the spitball class at the Academy? (94-6) I believe these were the Harbingers of death for the Department. Some were fired right out of the Academy. Some are in Jail today. Keep those seniority dates in mind folks. You'll probably see them on another list in the near future. If you keep the 30 percent list small these people can make it to the top in very little time.
To the Good people on that list, I mean no ill will. ConGrats. To the people who aren't, Rat's...
The math doesn't compute. 30% of 30 is 9.
Z is a great dude and a good copper! He is also a marine who served three tours in Iraq including Fallujah. He is a worker and he also has his fellow coppers back. Well deserved promotion that was long time past due. Congrats Z and good luck.
Zogg is well deserved. Squared away and will make great Sgt.
Congrats
Former 153
Think about it when's the last time Dean , Greg , Tommy , Ray or Caps got into a squad car and did a tour of duty ? Let's see was it the Chicago Fire , 1968 Democratic Convention or last time the Cubs won the World Series ?
One thing Caps, Tom, Greg, and Dean have in common they are all smarter than you they made Detective and not meritoriously.
Altamirano from 189 is awesome peoples. Great copper. Aggressive and will always have your back. He was instrumental in getting Jason Austin locked up after he was let off the first time for Soto murder. Without him that shithead would still be walking around a free man. Well deserved and earned is an understatement. Congrats and good luck brotha!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let me throw this out: I don't have a lot of respect for the merit process generally, but I'd go anywhere Paul Zogg pointed. A very solid cop, and an even more solid guy.
10/30/2015 07:01:00 AM
I second that. Paul is a great cop and great person. He's at least one person off this list that exemplifies what the merit process SHOULD be about. Congrats Z!
Ike Lambert. Was a dog in 004. Made merit detective. Was a dog on the floor. Now merit Sgt. Wowsers.
Paris Thompson??? The guy who went to vice and two rounds in narcotics. Then to the FBI task force. Yup. Well deserved. Hahahahahaahhaaha
Zogg would have been made off the list in the next class or the one after. He is that high on the sgt's list anyway. By getting the merit spot it effectively takes a merit pick away from the city and opens up an extra spot for the guys on the list behind him. Besides the fact he is twice the copper and ten times the man that 99% of this department.
Ike musta been tired of sleeping and paper jumpin
In the area so he picked up the phone AGAIN and got another promotion. Good riddance.
Some of these guys are hard working good coppers, they don't deserve it? No, let's give it to someone that didn't do shit their whole career except study for the sergeant test. Yeah! That's the person I want as a sergeant! C'mon get your head out of your asses. I know some people don't deserve merit, but hard work should be rewarded, not studying hard.
Congrats Paul Zogg....the real deal. Iraq veteran with several deployments and a great guy. The rest of you might be able to learn something from him.
Zogg.... Wasn't he part of the SOS scandle??? though we was fired, now he a is a sgt??? LOL
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-04-07/news/0904060602_1_desk-jobs-real-police-work-officers
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What a failed "leader" this guy turned out to be. A slap in the face to all those that put the hard work in the process. Another morale buster. Also a waste of Academy resources to just put 13 through the 5 week process. I guess we have to come up with a catchy name for the McCarthy 13.
10/30/2015 08:11:00 AM
Trick or Treat!!
Did Cooter change his name?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Guy from 004 gets promoted over the guy who was shot in the head in 004?
10/30/2015 07:09:00 AM
Exactly WHAT about being shot in the head qualifies someone to be a supervisor?
"Even when the weapons were changed from revolvers to automatics, the older officers were grandfathered in and were allowed to continue to carry their revolvers."
Maybe the city grandfathered the old-timers revolvers because if not, the shitty would have been on the hook to purchase however many thousands of automatic weapons to replace said revolvers. Banning and not grandfathering the tats costs the city nothing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good news is Ralph Price's troll got passed over again. 7 times now. Get a hint. Several supt's think your a goof.
10/30/2015 03:56:00 AM
A decade ago, it was Roberta Bartik's picks that were blacklisted. Now, looks like it's Price's picks.
Earned, Not Given.
One of the most bogus, scandals jobs I have ever worked at.
I have no respect for anyone on this list. You are all pieces of shit for taking it. I will not congratulate you nor attend any functions involving you. How can you look yourself in the mirror? Then again it's hard to look in the mirror when you're on you're knees under a desk. Two merit picks out of the same unit is bullshit
Good news is Ralph Price's troll got passed over again. 7 times now. Get a hint. Several supt's think your a goof.
10/30/2015 03:56:00 AM
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YUP.
Study harder E.S.
I've never understood why scoring well on a written test automatically meant that you've somehow "earned it".
CPD = Communist Party Dictatorship
What's a real joke is that we are short how many Sargeants and they start a class of 13. Think about the resources that will be utilized to train a class of 13. But hey it's tax payer money so who cares.
There is no reason they couldn't have done a new class and made these 13 merits along with the additional merits to make their 30%. It really is more of the city putting the square peg in the round hole. 20 years and I have to say I am embarrassed what this department has turned into.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/victim-dies-after-landing-on-freeway-sign-in-rollover-crash/1059495/
Holy fuck, look at the picture
So now we need the court help determine what a "round" of promotions are? Is it a class or several classes as long as the 70 / 30 break down is followed?
What part of "each round" don't you understand? If the city isn't ready with their picks, too damn bad
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The part where "each round" is not defined in the contract. Does each round mean each individual class or over the course of each list? It's not clearly defined and the city is going to win this one. Cry all you want and call me stupid but if the union wants it any different then they need to get smarter people writing the contract.
This is how merit should be done. If the city plans to make 400 off the list ten 20-30 percent merit also on top of that the first 400 from the list should go first. Then when the 400 from the list are made then the 120 merit(30%) should be then made on the back of the list as the last classes. That way test scores are rewarded and the merit picks still make Sgt and get the merit spot except they have to go to the back of the line and back of seniority. It's the only fair way, test scores first, merit second everyone's happy
Gary must be repaying back favors before he heads out of town for good!
Just one more reason - as if there are not enough - WHY DEANO MUST RESIGN. Not one word of protest from our disabled Professor or his legal staff.
I simply cannot believe that Rudy B. from the Vehicle team was passed up again, this is the hardest working guy that the team has, his commander pal Larry failed him again, well Rudy maybe Cookie was telling stories last night when he was up on the Northside.
Congratulations Paul Zogg. Well deserved.
"Math wasn't your strong class, was it??
Hope you don't work in finance."
Let's see if you can follow this brainiac:
31+13=44
31/44=0.7045 or 70.4%
13/44=0.2955 or 29.6%
You must be in charge of our pension.
Who cares?How many bosses go to these "invitation only"study groups where they are given answers to tests and somehow everyone from these groups gets promoted?And then the same guys look down their noses at "merit"bosses.The whole system stinks.Why single out only these stooges?
I agree. I have been promoted once on my own and will get promoted again soon, on my own. Don't talk about merit unless u talk about Maurer study groups, the private mount Greenwood study Groups Capt. Roberts did, Noble and Lapa.
Then those same people turn around and get Merit spots.
I get being pissed if you're close on the list. But after 20 plus years, I no longer have it in me to even pretend to give a dog's dick about most of the shit that goes on on this job. I just don't care.
Maybe it's because I'm a year and half from the door. Or perhaps it's that for the most part, I'm satisfied with how own career went. (Still a Blue Shirt). Whatever the reason, I honestly couldn't care less.
RE:I've never understood why scoring well on a written test automatically meant that you've somehow "earned it".
->What? If they give a test based on x,y,z and you do well because you studied and know the material you've earned it. Just because you're a certain person's friend, or born with a certain last name, or someone owes you a favor doesn't mean you should move up the ranks. Those people haven't earned anything, they were given something like they've been given things their whole lives.
Dell P did not get put in. So ask his Commander and any other Exempt member he has worked for WHY?
I know for a fact that he was the spark that got a Federal RICO case started. The case ended with Convictions of at least 15 people for Murders, Shooting, Bombs, Guns and Drugs.
No I am not Dell P. Yes I was involved in this case.
P.S. Congrats Ike
No I am not Ike
To 1138
It doesn't but he's done more for this department than JP. JP is a likeable guy but a worker he is not. And dont even mention the warrants he's done, starting your working career after being given the head nod doesnt count. DC Navarro made his pick long before process began.
why is everyone blowing this guy Zogg? I can name at least 20 guys that are not on this list that have done tours in Iraq!!!!! This doesn't give him right of passage on this forever tainted group of 100% merit.
hey ssc as a working po with no clout and an iaq war vet, dirty shame this police dept doesnt have a merit program for our veterans who served after 9/11 this is really f-ckedup.
Paris?? A sergeant?? What exactly qualifies him for that position other than Downtown Ernie Brown put him in OCD when he was the Chief....and Paris' BFF is tight with Preckwinkle...and Ernie Brown is now Preckwinkle's new head to some bullshit county terrorism bureau? Connect the dots......fucking clout. That's what qualifies the sanctimonious little shit to wear sergeant's stripes. Nothing more.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The math doesn't compute. 30% of 30 is 9.
10/30/2015 11:04:00 AM
Not that I approve, but 30% of 44 (31 prior plus 13 merit)is 29.545454.
$240,000 for 2 Muslim drivers who said they were fired for refusing to deliver liquor
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-240000-for-2-muslim-drivers-who-said-they-were-fired-for-refusing-to-deliver-liquor-20151030-story.html
Someone should let DAVID BERNSTEIN AND NOAH isakson know about the department's latest atrocity!
He also made another fairly provocative claim, saying that the recent intense focus on police brutality may have made police officers less aggressive and led to an increase in crime. He seemed to be lending his credibility — and the F.B.I.’s — to the idea that the increased attention on the police has affected officers and emboldened criminals without citing any data to back up his assertion.
Mr. Comey did not tell the Justice Department or the White House what he was planning to say in the speech, but the reaction to it was immediate. Justice Department officials were puzzled, as they did not recall Mr. Comey’s ever raising such issues during their deliberations. The deputy attorney general, Sally Q. Yates, pressed Mr. Comey to explain his views. And, Mr. Comey was criticized by civil rights groups and the head of one of the largest police unions in the country.
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I truly couldn't even fathom this much hating on this post , but in typical CPD fashion I've been proven wrong by all the bitter jagoffs on this job. I happen to be a former partner of one of the guys on the list and I know how much this guy deserves to be promoted rather than chastised by bitter , jealous jagoffs always blaming the department for their downfalls . Maybe he and others on this list busted their asses taking actual bad people off the street for years and have given everything and more to this job while most of you crying dogs started whining and laying down years ago always giving excuses why you can't lock people up or why u refuse to do anything. I can't speak for everyone on the list and I'm sure there are plenty of coppers on this job that have gotten promoted for who they know or what ass they've kissed , but this guy ain't the one. Be mad or bitter at whoever the fuck you need to in order to get through your shitty life, but at least know who the fuck you're talking about before you badmouth the entire list.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Guy from 004 gets promoted over the guy who was shot in the head in 004?
10/30/2015 07:09:00 AM
Exactly WHAT about being shot in the head qualifies someone to be a supervisor?
10/30/2015 11:38:00 AM
We have proof of that in 012 with Cmdr Bobblehead.
Congrats, Zogg. If anyone deserves it, you DO. And for you weasels being "sickened" by his attachment to the SOS scandal, I'm sure a cop has NEVER been falsely accused before or been sued for doing his damn job. If you are talking shit about this man and what he has or has not done on this job you are clearly a sour grapes crybaby who has never worked with the man. I'd walk into battle with him anyday.
To: problem with testers,
How about you actually have to demonstrate some knowledge of your job after being given 8 weeks to study a small portion (stack of orders) of said job.
If you can't show that you know even that small amount, you don't deserve it!!!
And don't give me any bullshit about not being good test takers. Life is a fucking test every day. And especially so when you have a squad of police that you're responsible for and have to make sure that they all get home safely (physically, legally, and emotionally).
That may be hard to accomplish if you can't retain small pieces of information or understand the way the law is written.
Sorry what does shooting someone have to do with being a supervisor. There merits most of them have zero patrol experience.
Paul Zoggs partner was part of the SOS scandal not Paul. He was in Iraq and was severly injured there. He had nothing to do with scandal and is a straight up great copper!
If you're high enough on the list to be promoted, why would you take a merit spot. If someone did do this you are a complete jagoff. It's all about you. F*ck you.
Rahm said this is what you get when your not fetal!
Now get out there and get some contact cards!
zogg is one of the guys that truly deserve the merit appointment. he is one of the best cops I've had the pleasure of working with. I don't know too many of the others, but I hope they are at least half as deserving as Paul. jl
Congratulations to Poulos. He is an all around great guy and will be a great supervisor.
"2. Why would the city do this and front off these 13? They basically subjected these officers to ridicule for the rest of their careers."
That might matter if this was junior high school. They'll risk the ridicule and cash the paycheck.
You have to laugh at all these people who say that they wouldn't take a merit spot. If they could, almost all would.
Paddy Bauer once said, “Chicago ain't ready for reform.” Things have not changed.
For Gods sake why do this just makes a class along with your merit picks it's like they want to get dragged into court proceedings
FOP should have an IMMEDIATE injunction put on to stop this.
The McCarthy 13!
Way to go Garry. You did it again. Took a great guy like Zogg and gave him a permanent scarlet letter "M" on his forehead. Of Course he did this with the help of that Peter Francis Geracy look alike Don "The Most Hated Man on the Department" O'Neil. Don says: "I know it's wrong, fuck you. Sue me."
Zogg is truly a born leader and hopefully is allowed to rise to the top so we have a boss we can respect. That's coming from one of your old Sergeants.
Garry, what were you thinking? I think we know.......fingers flipping under his chin in an outward motion.
Not sure who this garza guy is but I already dislike him.
Called FOP today....they said they have filed an injunction an they verified that all the rats on this promotion list are all bullshit MERIT!!!!!!!!!!
There's the list of 13 "merit" picks.
You forgot the r in "picks".
Not just 13 rank order members are being passed over, but over 30 rank order members are potential plaintiffs in lawsuit who will be entitled back pay, seniority, etc. for this power play stunt by City Hall, really need to bring back Shakman monitor to put an end to these shenanigans.
Someone call an attorney quick. If this is the cities 30% they better pick anothe 70% off the list and have a real class. All of you on this list make sure you are aware that you now owe Mc Carthy. He expects much from you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Zogg would have been made off the list in the next class or the one after. He is that high on the sgt's list anyway. By getting the merit spot it effectively takes a merit pick away from the city and opens up an extra spot for the guys on the list behind him. Besides the fact he is twice the copper and ten times the man that 99% of this department.
10/30/2015 11:22:00 AM
If he was that high on the list and as much of a man as you claim he is, he would have turned this disgusting promotion down for multiple reasons. The fact that he accepted this contractually illegal promotion proves that he's actually no different from 99% of this department. Nobody on this list will ever be respected by the real street copper.
The mayors budget passes!
All favors called in and new merit 13 put in? Budget year ends December what is the rush? The City would want lawsuits? Who is the Whale in the group?
But you sprinkle in a few good guys in and everyone wants to think it is legit.
And why not put the sponsor for merit on blast? FOP do your job and FOIA it asshats
unless DEAN was told to chill out.
I never understood why all the defenders of merit, will say "they are workers, or good guys, or deserve it." Then rip on those who "study and did well on the test" as somehow less virtuous or deserving of a promotion. Example: "Everyone who studied and passed is a dog ass who never did any police work, blah, blah, blah!" See how "idiotic" making "blanket statements" about the merit issue sounds?
I think we can all agree, that we all know someone who made merit that are good cops and leaders..Just as we all know some goofs who make it on merit because of clout, nepotism, marriage, etc., and have no police skills what-so-ever..only blow job skills!
I managed my time, studied hard, scored adequately, worked hard in multiple capacities and units (mostly patrol) and on various watches..I had some fun, made some friends, worked for some real good bosses, and some tremendous ass holes with big egos who think it's all legit!
In the end, I waited patiently for my turn to come around (9165) made it rank order..No regrets or apologies!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've never understood why scoring well on a written test automatically meant that you've somehow "earned it".
10/30/2015 12:37:00 PM
Maybe because you're actually smart enough to pass a test? I never understood why thinking because you made a thousand worthless dope pinches that you're somehow qualified to supervise and lead people. Although I think we all know that most merit picks haven't even done that.
ZOGG wasn't even in the country when the shenanigans went down with that special unit.
Anonymous said...
Paul Zogg is a class act. 3 tours in Iraq.
10/30/2015 06:58:00 AM
Class act is a serious understatement. He's an exceptional man and officer who will be an exceptional sergeant.
As far as "Merit" goes, it used to be you'd have to do something really extraordinary to get a free bump up.
I would love to see the qualifiers that made these 13 extraordinary candidates truly exceptional to validate the promotion.
Coming from a unit (that was a gift too) just isn't enough to qualify sometimes.
Sure makes one really ticked to see Beat guys getting snubbed.
When I made 'The List', I took some ball busting for being "too old" and heard the "let some young guy" have a shot.
Well I'm still here and I'm still too old, but I got my spot the way it should have been...waited my turn and by rank order.
Stop letting the City have a 30% stake in promotions, 2% is more enough.
Note that when the FOP Contract Commitee asks for bargaining suggestions.
"Anonymous said...
Zogg.... Wasn't he part of the SOS scandle (SIC)??? though we was fired, now he a is a sgt??? LOL
10/30/2015 11:28:00 AM"
Get your facts straight before you run your pie hole. The "G" grabbed almost everyone that ever worked with or around the bad guys in the SOS scandal,a typical FBI move. Only after they tarnished their names did they fully investigate and release those that were not even remotely related to the charges. Zogg was later determined to be free and clear of ANY involvement, perceived or direct. While I personally am not a fan of the merit process per se, IF one could be considered most deserving of this opportunity, HE fits the bill.
Know before you speak.
Paul Z.
Sincere congrats!
Sgt. Al
(OT) thanks obama! mob of students attacking police 4 coppers hurt, dam animals we need to bring in powerful water cannons and blast these scum off the streets!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/4-cops-injured-3-youths-busted-brawl-pa-school-article-1.2417481
OT:
Nice to see 2211 3rd watch making traffic stops on the beat and going through cars old style. It is greatly appreciated by those of us living in Mt Greenwood. Thanks.
Sound like we need 12 phone booths for promotional parties and we can use soldiers field for zooggs party. Based on comments on scc and other social media, he's the most deserving merit sergeant ever . This department is a sad joke
No respect for any merit Sgt!!!
Who cares?How many bosses go to these "invitation only"study groups where they are given answers to tests and somehow everyone from these groups gets promoted?And then the same guys look down their noses at "merit"bosses.The whole system stinks.Why single out only these stooges?
Whoa.....let's not forget the former Superintendent Cline's super secret study group where Jr., DO(capt) and the others basically STOLE the stripes by studying material FROM THE TEST. NEVER FORGET. SO FAR ONLY ONE HAS MADE IT HIGHER THAN LT. The rest of them are stuck in limbo trying to make LT. On their own.......ha ha ha..ha...hopefully they never will...unless of course they cheat....AGAIN.
So when does Dean Jr get his? Or would that have been to predictable?
"If you're high enough on the list to be promoted, why would you take a merit spot. If someone did do this you are a complete jagoff. It's all about you. F*ck you.
10/30/2015 03:58:00 PM"
True fuckin idiots... Of course you take a merit spot from some boss driving ass-wipe ESPECIALLY if you would have made it off of the list anyway. Thats a win-win. At the end of the night the City get one less Merit pick. number 356 thanks people like that when they only would've gone to #355.
Dont hate the players, hate the game.
Call shakman! The department knowingly and willfully violated the hiring plan - a federal court order! A lawsuit needs to be filed in federal court!
You have to laugh at all these people who say that they wouldn't take a merit spot. If they could, almost all would.
10/30/2015 04:22:00 PM
I wouldn't. Don't want anything to do with promotions at all anymore....Could care less.
From the FOP website:
"Although Judge Novak denied the Motion for our TRO, she agreed that the Plaintiff-Officers raise a valid issue as to how officers are being promoted in this round. The Judge found that the Plaintiff-Officers will not suffer enough “irreparable harm”; in that any violation that might occur by the Department during this round of promotions can be resolved by the Court without the need for issuing a TRO. "
10/30/2015 05:25:00 PM
My point about test taking was that doesn't make you anymore capable of being a leader and it doesn't mean you've "earned" anything. The whole promotional system is flawed,there's just a many if not more useless supervisors that made it off the list as there are merit.
Also the difference between being ranked 1 or 1000 could be as little as 10 percentage points. That doesn't make the guy that's ranked 1000 any less capable of being a quality supervisor.
Paul Z had nothing to do with the SOS scandal. He was fighting for our freedom in Iraq.
Jeez, relax everyone. So what these guys got promoted. Good for them. Who in there right mind would turn down a merit spot? Don't get pissed at these fellas and treat them like they did something wrong. Same team bros.
http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dhr/supp_info/ShakmanSettlement/shakman_motionofcpdhiringplan10.14.2011.pdf
https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dhr/supp_info/ShakmanSettlement/NoticeofSettlementAccord32007.pdf
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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Officers-City-Ordered-to-Pay-in-Wrongful-Arrest-Suit-261167761.html
30% is supposed to be calculated by using the number of people off the list. So 31 off the list is 9.
>>>mous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've never understood why scoring well on a written test automatically meant that you've somehow "earned it".
10/30/2015 12:37:00 PM
Maybe because you're actually smart enough to pass a test? I never understood why thinking because you made a thousand worthless dope pinches that you're somehow qualified to supervise and lead people. Although I think we all know that most merit picks haven't even done that.
10/30/2015 05:25:00 PM<<
It is not just about "passing a test". It is about knowing the General Orders, Rules, Laws and all the rest and being able to craft reports that could save copper's asses and careers. It's about knowing how to write "good paper." Thank God I learned from people who could speak, read and write English.
Good Luck and Stay Safe to all Promoted. Remember that your chief loyalty is to those blue shirts who work with you every day.
P.S. Yes I am a retired white shirt who never got a "merit promotion". I still have about half a ream of yellow paper sitting n a shelf from my academy days.
>>>Anonymous said...
$240,000 for 2 Muslim drivers who said they were fired for refusing to deliver liquor
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-240000-for-2-muslim-drivers-who-said-they-were-fired-for-refusing-to-deliver-liquor-20151030-story.html
10/30/2015 02:49:00 PM<<<
Tell the drivers it was TOXINS FOR THE INFIDELS and they will be glad to do it for free.
KNEEL BEFORE ZOGG!!!!
Strange all these ZOGG post? I forget what they call it when you post about yourself online? Never heard of you and you still are merit. Good luck with that, let me guess you will be going to the mission team in Area North or may be you are like that goof we had in central that pretended he was a lawyer and wanted to process kids on days? Then the lawyer bailed back to Narcotics as a detective and all he does is inventories for the real police. Merit
"While I personally am not a fan of the merit process per se, IF one could be considered most deserving of this opportunity, HE fits the bill.
Know before you speak. "
The guy would know, yours truly Paul Zogg.
"He was in Iraq and was severely injured there."
Severely? Than how does one who is severely injured return to duty, let alone get promoted?
Never mind, this is CPD.
"Exactly WHAT about being shot in the head qualifies someone to be a supervisor?
10/30/2015 11:38:00 AM"
It's called taking a bullet for the team here in Chicago, not in the sandbox.
If somehow being wounded overseas qualifies you to get promoted in the CPD,then I encourage every Officer with a Purple Heart or the paperwork that shows you were injured serving in the Military to demand being on the list for promotion
Quit sucking off PZ. This guy should start his own cult. I know 10 guys that deserve to be Sgt but aren't. Stop propping this guy up as a Mesiah and grow up for petes sake. You PZ people are pathetic and I'm sure he doesn't want the attention.
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