And Another Rush to Judgement
- A deputy was fired Wednesday after video showed him flipping a teen backward out of her desk and tossing her across a classroom, with the sheriff saying the officer did not follow proper procedures and training.
Richland County Senior Deputy Ben Fields was told of his firing late Wednesday morning, Sheriff Leon Lott said. Lott said he would not describe the now-former resource officer at Spring Valley High School as remorseful, but that Fields was sorry the incident happened and tried to do his job.
The student was being disruptive and refused to leave the classroom despite being told by a teacher and administrator to do so, Lott said, and that's when Fields was brought in Monday to remove her from the class. She again refused, and Fields told her she was under arrest, Lott said.
She continued to refuse, and video shows the deputy flipping the teen backward and then throwing her across the room. At that point, Lott said, Fields did not use proper procedure.
- A South Carolina sheriff said Tuesday that there is a third video depicting one of his officers in a now viral confrontation with a high school student — and in it, he says the student can be seen attacking the officer.
“There’s a video … showed her striking and punching at the officer,” Richard County Sheriff Leon Lott told CNN. ”Again, our hope would have been that he could have de-escalated the situation without getting physical.”
Well, this simply demonstrates that Sheriff Lott is a fucking moron joining into a rush-to-judgement mentality that completely undercuts any legitimate authority his officers have...or used to have. We can't think of a Use of Force model in existence that advocates "de-escalation" in the face of an assault. In fact, most state laws we know of declare without reservation that a police officer is not obligated to retreat in the face of resistance and is in fact authorized by the State to use whatever force is necessary to overcome said resistance.
So once again, if we could just have a list of actions that officers are required to overlook when performed by a black person, that'd be great. It would save so many problems and progressive society could finally embrace and welcome the criminal element into their homes and hearts.
In the meantime, stay fetal friends.
So once again, if we could just have a list of actions that officers are required to overlook when performed by a black person, that'd be great. It would save so many problems and progressive society could finally embrace and welcome the criminal element into their homes and hearts.
In the meantime, stay fetal friends.
posted by SCC at 12:21 AM
130 Comments:
Can I get an event number?
Can you imagine being the next officer called to a disturbance at that school ?
That's what I love about this job , every call could be your last for any number of reasons .
This guy is no more than a politician what he has done is fucked up the life of another good policeman, for the benefit of the society that cannot comply with any rules !
By the way I also called and left him a voicemail telling him that he should go back out shopping and find a set of balls
Sheriff Lott keeps his job if he fires the officer and condemns his actions and is attacked by the media and forced to resign if he defends him.
Being a cop I see the frustration but with the environment being what it is towards law enforcement you have to use your head. Call for an assist and talk the girl down if you have to go hands on don't be so violent I mean it was a high school girl who wasn't posing a threat. The days of not taking shit are over we must be the nice passive police in situations like this if we want to stay employed. I've never seen anyone fired for being overly patient.
Black Live Matter, and now we know that Black Wants and Desires Matter. If a black student wants to stay seated in her/his desk-chair and vocally disrupt a school classroom for hours on end, than by all means allow her/him to do so. Do not attempt to use any force whatsoever to remove her or him from the classroom. Just let the student be, let her/him act out his aggression's. Eventually the student will tire, need to go to the bathroom or otherwise decide to depart the classroom of their own free will. Do not ever attempt to force a black person to do anything they do not want to do for they are a privileged and protected class. Our POTUS and DOJ have so decreed.
My parents always taight me to respect officers, especially at that age.
When can we expect charges against this student for assaulting an officer?
Ouch
I can't tell you how many times over the years I've hit a woman that was actively resisting or battering another officer.
Females for some reason - black females especially - think that they're exempt from being knocked the fuck out by a man. They somehow got it in their head that men are supposed to just stand there and absorb punching, slapping, scratching, hair pulling or biting.
Guess what? I've no qualms or reservations whatsoever in punching a broad square across the bridge of her nose or hooking her dead on the jaw as hard as I'd hit a grown man. My first FTO in 015 told me: "If the bitch has the stones to fight a man, you gotta beat her ass like one. No kid gloves because they got a set of tits, kid".
That bitch in the classroom needed to be shown the force used, otherwise she'd have surely escalated further. And to all the whiny, liberal "Black Lives Matter" cocksuckers out there saying "da poleese went too far" or "she jus' a little high school gurl", I defy you to simply escort out of a room - or better yet - put a pair of handcuffs on anyone over 70 pounds that doesn't want to comply. And then get back to us all with how "easy" it was.
What the officer did was take the fight right out of her before it got to the point where he risked being injured. Bitch is at a 5 or 6? Hit her with an 8 and get that head ringing. That'll usually do the trick. Not sure what policy in SC is, but in CPD GOs, the whole "persuasion, advice and warning" prior to physical force is an option, but not the only option. Only reasonable people will respond to P-A-W. and I've NEVER dealt with an assailant who was even remotely reasonable.
Please keep us updated with this officers situation, SCC. I'll happily donate to any legal defense fund if necessary.
1st and the 16th, 20 and out
Well it appears in this day and age we are obligated to retreat. This is how it's going to go down in the future. : " this is not a criminal matter , sorry sir/ma'm deal with it yourself". OR sorry this person is refusing to cooperate so YOU find a solution mr teacher I'm outta here. OR call SWAT.
the sheriff who replaces him at that "school" won't make that same mistake... What mistake?
Of treating that place like a school with rules, a need for decorum, proper behaviour, and maintaining a respectful, stable environment for the other "students."
The new security or disciplinary facilitator will now know what that facility really is, and what it's for... a place to feed and pen subsidy recipients.
Schools are for students who understand the need for rules and concentrating on studies that lead to careers and the ability to work and provide for yourself and your family.
That place is a corral for rabid beasts, like cows with bad brains or something that came straight from the island of dr. moreau, just like baltimore, ferguson, gary, detroit, chicago, oakland, philadelphia, or anywhere there is a J.J Fish, a 24 hour currency exchange, or any neighborhood where the most well lit business is a gas station.
Black Lies Matter!
Yea, this cop needs retraining alright. The class Should be short and sweet. If such an incident may reoccur, simply speak clearly into his/her radio, and give the dispatcher the south Carolina code for 19p.
Show the part were the Brat Ass wraps her leg around the chair attempting to defeat the arrest WTF it's the only course he had. Also WTF is a police officer doing in the class where's the Dean or Prince or asst Princ
Once again, a second half video is used as key evidence. I'm still wondering why the media is so afraid of political incorrectness, that they no longer produce the facts. Ever wonder why there was to video taken to exonerate that overweight thief Mike Brown?
Hey Rahm and Gary, perfect example as to why I don't do shit anymore! The Officer was fired for basically politics over an out of control shitbird! The Officer was better off hanging out at the coffee shop and let the teachers deal with their problem children!
Fuck it.
Just pass a law already that allows "persons of color" to simply do whatever the fuck they want.
Disrupting class? She's black? Call the nearest chapter of BLM & let them handle it.
Get pulled over? Don't want to show a license or insurance? I'm sorry, l didn't realize you were a minority, have a nice day.
(Former) Officer Wilson's mistake was even asking the Gentle Giant to get out of the street. If he kept on driving he'd still have a job.
No unemployment or jail time for doing nothing.
Sue they asses.
These inside school disturbances should be handled by the school, not the police. After all, they help create these monsters.
When called to schools immediately ask for a Sgt. Then the Sgt. can ask for the principal. After about 2 hours of rhetorical bullshit come up from your job and ask for lunch. You guys are smarter than any of the mutants you deal with, make the job work for YOU. Go home to your families safe and sound. ♠️
It almost sounds like 3.5 hrs firearms courses where they are trying to push these de escalation techniques, it gets to a point where they want you to use verbal direction when an offender is about to slip victims head open with a hammer or axe.
The media is wrong for putting false information to excited the public. This officer was call there to removed a person. What is he suppose to do.
Do Nothing!!! But what is required Take your time Asses th situation and advise dispatch
Call for the SGT Put it back on them They make the big bucks and are "In Charge"
Then put them in your report
The Politicians and Police Brass Don't Want You to be the Police!
So stop acting like you are Do the Report
Never put hands on folks or Peoples Lol
Police work is done! I tell all my victims to go get a gun for protection! Police cannot help you when getting attacked!
This just proves that all Law Enforcement Officers belong in some type of union for job protection! At best this should be nothing more than a few days suspension rather, than losing your livelihood over an out of control Shitbird! Police work is an ugly business prone to politcal winds by blowhards and anti-police terrorists organizations like the "Black lives matter" crowd!
I love the "stay fetal" campaign. I mean seriously, u cannot win now a days. If u have any public run in with a minority, u are automatically in the wrong. They can do no wrong anymore. They make the cop out to be the vilian and some shit head that's got a gun,
Selling drugs, etc,. out to be a saint. What happened to this society? Right and wrong? U cannot win anymore. The whole goal is to dodge land mines along the way and pray u don't become the next railroaded cop for just doing ur job. So as they say... "Stay fetal my friends."
This a problem in Chicago also, Chicago Public Schools are always calling the police when students disobey teachers and violate school policy. It is not our job to counsel, discipline, or enforce Chicago School Policy. Officers need to tell principals, politely, that "This is not a police matter." If you try to help and it goes bad, don't expect anyone at the school to back you up.
If anyone wants to see how the public feels about cops these days, just click on the "comments" area of any cop story. You won't believe the anti-cop sentiment out there. 90% of the comments are pure hatred toward us and our profession. It really puts things into perspective and makes you realize that going that extra mile for people that despise you, might not be in your best interest anymore.
this girl bumped the ground a little bit. You'd think she's Rosa Parks. I am going to buy a T *shirt 9with her face on it
What kind of school has to have armed Police Officers assigned th them? Any quesses.
One of the solutions to this is to remove all police officers from the schools and not enforce any administrative rules or school policies. The police are not there to enforce school discipline that the administrators do not wish to enforce. The police should only be called when it is a criminal offense and to make an arrest if the school signs the complaint. How did things get so bad ? Sheriffs in the south, according to a supreme court decision, really do not have job protections unless local laws have been passed to protect them. When a new sheriff is elected he can fire everyone if he wants to. I have heard comments from my liberal friends such as, " OMG, it was a child, the officer should be fired" as they believe there is no excuse to use force to arrest a student. Seems that they have had no experience in Chicago Public School.
She clearly struck him with her right hand, after refusing to leave for being disruptive. Liberal retards don't like to see physical force after they request it because their "words" don't work on those inclined to act as savages. They live in a fantasy world and when the real world shows up at THEIR request, they judge the one tasked with doing the work. This is the nature of the liberal retard socialist. This is why they are so dangerous. They are all democrats and you vote for them. You have only yourself to blame.
Do everything 100% perfectly or you will be fired.
When I watched the video the first time, I had no problem with the officer's actions. I've read the story (multiple versions), watched the video several more times, and I still have no objection to the officer's actions. In fact, I think he did the right thing.
This girl wasn't injured. In my mind, she got what she had coming to her. What she really needed was to be taken out in the hall for a very brief meeting with the 'board of education'. When she settled down, she would be returned to the classroom. This last is an important point, as she (and other students) are getting a lesson in proper behavior. You will sit in the classroom and you will behave yourself, and yes, we can, in fact, tell you what to do.
Shit . .
That was called Monday morning at Weber High School back in the day.
http://www.nbc.com/chicago-pd/video/climbing-into-bedyou-never-know-whos-who/2925125
Minute 43. Voight got it right.
What the hell did these school officials think the cop would have to do in order to remove this she-devil from the classroom? They KNEW she wasn't going to go quietly and peacefully -- otherwise they wouldn't have had to call the police in the first god-damned place!!
Jeezus H Christ. What the f--k do these people expect you police officers to do? Be a f--king punching bag just because the Offender is Black?? That's Bullshit!
If Blacks don't want you police around, fine. Put them all behind a huge fucking wall and let them beat the shit out of each other, and kill themselves when they get mad.
Stay fetal my friends! Amen!
Really off topic....Dirty Ernie left Darien last week failing to leave the key to his new car that had to be fixed after he didn't know how it was damaged. Quality police executive also left behind 3.5 years of finger nail clippings for some one to clean up upon his departure that he had in his top desk drawer. Hugs and kisses......you will be missed
In the acadamy, I must must have missed the class on chair tossing and bowling with offenders.
You throw a punch, the gloves come off.
I've seen the video...And I have been in the exact same situation. Thanks God that was before the Policing the Police mentality. And thank God before cell phone video!
The officers actions were appropriate in my humble opinion.
An active resistor, combative in nature gets what is called Reasonable force to overcome any resistance. I believe it was the ensuing mechanics of the struggle that caused the chair to flip over.
Are we going to second guess every officer that makes a hands on decision about a child fueled with ADHD drugs?
We should do away with School Patrol Units then, and privatize the security there. Then it will be like shoplifting. The child will already be in custody when the Police arrive.
#OnlyBlueLivesMatter
What's there to say. Who's fetal now? Certainly not the officer. Bosses are ball less. They twist in the wind of public perception and not reality. There is no reason to out right fire an officer without due process. Although we all know that most all police departments operate under the dark ages of being guilty until you prove yourself innocent. This dark ages system of justice for police officers must stop. Time and again a falsely accused officer or officers get justice in our judicial system.
The department they worked for,leaves the officer to foot the bill for his defense. That's why I say do the right thing and stay fetal my friends.
As a supervisor in charge of my personnel assigned to both grammar and high schools in the ghetto, I established a CPD policy early on with my crew and the school principals.
We will not play boogey-man bouncers for the school.
They should have a policy in place to deal with students who misbehave, violate school rules etc. and only involve the police if/when an actual law violation is apparent.
(Battery, Arson, Theft etc) and we will then respond, evaluate and take the necessary action as WE see fit according to our policy and law and not an order by a teacher or staff member.
Suspension, expulsion, parent (usually singular)conference is THEIR options in place.
While we had mostly good relations with the school/staff at our many CPS schools, as long as they understood our policy, there were few, if any problems.
I'm pretty sure his dog doesn't come when he calls. Hmph...
Our department would do the same thing that Sheriff Lott did. It's easier to just fire the expendable police officer than to grow a pair of balls and take the media monster on. Sheriff Lott should have just said, "Put yourself in that officers shoes for a minute. How would you have handled this refusal to obey any type of authority?"
Where are cell phone videos of the girl before the Police were summoned ? A setup ?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Being a cop I see the frustration but with the environment being what it is towards law enforcement you have to use your head. Call for an assist and talk the girl down if you have to go hands on don't be so violent I mean it was a high school girl who wasn't posing a threat. The days of not taking shit are over we must be the nice passive police in situations like this if we want to stay employed. I've never seen anyone fired for being overly patient.
10/29/2015 01:06:00 AM
You should go into social work, then. The teacher didn't call for help from a psychologist.
If her mama showed up and beat the crap out of her the same critics would be cheering.
Why are police officers working inside the school? Hrmmm...I wonder.
1St up have the principal or Dean come with you to the room. Then have them clear the room and not just into the hall. Then have them tell her she has to go. If she refuses call a Sgt and back up and let the Sgt make the command decisions.If no one wants to sign then see ypu later. Have the school call the parents.let them deal with it.
Honest question - is there anyone in police brass, anywhere in the entire country, that actually supports their officers and isn't just a political hack?
Complain all you want about Fop. But obviously this officer had no union protection.
Talk about damn if you do and damned if you don't. I wonder what these poor oppressed "students" would think if the school hired some of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islamic thugs as enforcers.
Would the infants who advocated calling for a sgt care to explain why they would need to call a sgt to make their decisions for them in a situation like this? Handle your jobs. Make a fucking decision. Don't always ask mommy and daddy what to do. If you can't do that without wasting your sgt's time, find a different job. Sgts aren't there to take over your job and absolve you of any wrongdoing because you refuse to make a decision out of fear or ignorance. Grow up and sack up.
Go to Richland county SC web page Send Sheriff no balls an email Let him know he's spineless and a coward, I did
Anonymous said...
Really off topic....Dirty Ernie left Darien last week failing to leave the key to his new car that had to be fixed after he didn't know how it was damaged. Quality police executive also left behind 3.5 years of finger nail clippings for some one to clean up upon his departure that he had in his top desk drawer. Hugs and kisses......you will be missed
10/29/2015 10:29:00 AM
another "quota hire" failure! Where does he end up next?
It's funny that liberals and civil liberty groups are not upset about the lack of due process for the officer. No hearing? No chance to challenge the evidence? Rush to judgement? If the student was expelled from school the next day by the principal they would be screaming about all of the above. Can you say double standard?
If anyone wants to see how the public feels about cops these days, just click on the "comments" area of any cop story. You won't believe the anti-cop sentiment out there. 90% of the comments are pure hatred toward us and our profession. It really puts things into perspective and makes you realize that going that extra mile for people that despise you, might not be in your best interest anymore.
10/29/2015 07:59:00 AM
Check out /pol/ little more refreshing and no SJWs
I think the officer should've called for a female officer none available wait it out .pride is a mother fucker. She was a passive resister. As for cozzo he struck a dude handcuff to a wheel chair come on
I have news for you ... There is no way of removing some one from that type of chair without it looking violent. The chair has a table on it that effectively pins them in ... To get out of the chair / desk you have to slide out ... There was no other way for that officer to remove her.
In my day, had that been me disrupting a class, refusing to obey the teacher or the police, it would have been my father that knocked the crap out of me. Thanks Dad, you were a great father, teacher, husband, and a man who always took responsibility for the raising of his children. I will contribute $$ to any officer who is fired or criminally charged for doing the right thing.
So at IACP we first we insulted by the FBI Director who says we a doing less police work due to the post Ferguson mentality &a that we need to embrace BLM. Then POTUS comes along and states that we're scapegoats for society's ills -'like kids who can't behave or respect their teachers. Sparklefarts then leaves thinking that he reached out with an olive branch to LE blah blah blah.
Fast forward to South Carolina and the video goes viral. Why do the kids even have phones in class? If the teacher & administrator couldn't control the little demon why demonize the PO?
We will now see if Sparklefarts and Famous But Incompetent Comey will now dispatch a DOJ civil rights team to try and start the Lynch mob.
Hey Sheriff Lott - what happened to the investigation usually conducted before announcing termination/suspension?? You would think that being the elected Sheriff for over twenty years would have taught you the basics of running a modern agency. Guess your role model is another famous CarolinIan - Barney Fife.
So a basic policy violation, and not even a serious one at that, gets you fired by the sheriff's department there? What a joke. Couple days off max is sufficient, and maybe further training on the proper procedures for arresting ghetto rats.
Welp...
This incident is serving as nothing less than an
object lesson to Policemen everywhere and school
officers in particular.
To you teachers, school staff, principals and others?
NYAAAHAHAHAHA!
😜
YOYO...
Deal with these 200 pound three year olds by yourselves...
Policemen have no fucking business being in schools anyway.
"Police Presence" in schools is nothing but a bunch of pandering
feel-goodery and a disruption to the school environment plus school
staffers hate us being there anyway.
Until some sixth year high school attendee doesn't want to hear
teacher's nattering.
Or until some attendee(s) develops a case of "Muhdik" and start
trying to turn a staff member's (or another student's) innie into an outie...
They call on The Police to keep order at these holding pens
then they cry about The Police keeping order too hard...
Policemen, after the firing and Obama DOJ crucifixion of the Deputy
in question, WILL LEARN TO STIFLE THEIR INSTINCT TO HELP OUT
IN SCHOOLS!
School Staffer beating on the door to
The Police Office:
"Officer! Officer!
Come quick! Come right now!
Hurry! A student is causing BIIIIG TROUBLE!"
Too old and too tired for
the dumb-shit School Officer
says:
"Was there a CRIME committed?"
"Uhhh... No... But the teacher wants her removed
from class for being disruptive so you need to do something, Officer!"
"No... No I don't need to do a damned thing to a student who is
only flouting school policy."
"But, but... You're The Police!"
"Yup! And in spite of YOUR best efforts, I will continue
being The Police until the day I see fit for my own selfish
interests to walk away from this rotten, stinking, shit-doo-doo job."
"You're not gonna do ANYTHING?"
"Well, I can come watch That problem she-mule do the fool
while you people deal with her administratively and try to contact a parent. I will also
observe to make sure school staff respects her right to act a fool
which is a priority over an orderly environment conducive to learning - as such winds
are blowing in this politically correct era..."
School Staffer says:
"Erk!"
Then keels over with smoke coming out of her ears.
C'mon Coppers!
You gotta out-think these ignorant and clueless people!
Anyone see the viral video of the female officer in a "dance off" in D.C. Are you kidding me?! Is that what the officer in the classroom should have done? When faced with an active resister- "Retreat and challenge to a dance-off."
Anonymous said...
She clearly struck him with her right hand, after refusing to leave for being disruptive. Liberal retards don't like to see physical force after they request it because their "words" don't work on those inclined to act as savages. They live in a fantasy world and when the real world shows up at THEIR request, they judge the one tasked with doing the work. This is the nature of the liberal retard socialist. This is why they are so dangerous. They are all democrats and you vote for them. You have only yourself to blame.
10/29/2015 08:49:00 AM
Yes, I agree. But after the lawyers get their hands on these incidents and it goes before a jury, everything looks clean and sterile and the " injured party" and the lawyer get a bundle.
All that kid had to do was:
1) Put the phone away when told to
2) Listen to the teacher when told to
3) Listen to the cop when told to.
But by acting like a "you can't touch me!" entitled asshole, she got what she deserved. Removed from the chair by force, and dragged out of the room. Chances are that if her PARENTS had done that a few times to her when she was younger, she wouldn't have grown up to be an asshole now.
The cop ought to sue the crap out of the school district, and sue the kid who took the video (another moron with a phone they shouldn't have had), sue the kid/parents for not obeying a lawful command and for exacerbating the entire situation.
Philly, LAPD, NYPD all boycotting Quentin Tarantino and his upcoming film after his anti police rhetoric.
Seems like an easy cause to jump into...
Where's the CPD?
Officers really need to think situations thru before acting when responding to these type of calls. When school authorities and parents cannot get their own child to listen and obey them, what makes you think the child is going to listen and obey the police? When a child has no fear and no respect for their teacher or parent, that child certainly has no fear and no respect for the police. Do not let these schools and parents try to force you to do their job. Just ask yourself - is this a criminal matter or a disciplinary matter? And explain yourself to the school authority and parent, and then document such when you leave. Don't just code it out, cover yourself and verbalize your actions via computer or radio transmission.
Granted this particular officer was assigned to the school, so the question is - why? what were his duties? It's most likely there was nothing in writing, but this is where police unions need to fight for their members. Force the police department executives to verbalize in writing what responsibilities a school resource officer has while being assigned to the school. We know the departments do not want to do that because they would rather let the poor cop carry the burden, so they can fire the cop when things go bad in situations like this.
Being a police officer today sucks. But you still have to do your job, and you need to stop and think clearly, intelligently, logically, before you speak or act.
And stop with the calling the sergeant shit. When you pass the buck, you are avoiding your job, just like the parents and school did.
Here's a little quip to keep in mind at all times:
"If they be black, then I step back!"
Don't want to produce a driver's license? No problem, have yourself a nice day.
Don't want to pay for your food or 40 ouncer? No problem, I will just make out a report.
Don't want to leave the classroom when ordered by a teacher? I understand, you want to make sure you're getting your education in.
Why get in arguments, fights, lawsuits and the newspapers for dealing with nonsense.
Who is the goof here? Ain't gonna be you! Why risk your job, your family's comfort, your good name? For what!
Just step back, smile and know that you're going to be ok. And continued to be employed.
Damn I need to go to the GYM! I can barely walk up stair in a school in a school let alone throw a teen HEFFER around.
I've been fetal since the Ferguson riots. Had a vri Sgt scold us for not bringing in any activity. I literally laughed in his face and walked away. It's amazing that some people still just don't fucking get it.
Exactly right , have security officers assigned to schools , Sworn Offices will respond after the honor student is handcuffed by security , under stupervision of principal . word of advice
tell victims to get a Warrant
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Being a cop I see the frustration but with the environment being what it is towards law enforcement you have to use your head. Call for an assist and talk the girl down if you have to go hands on don't be so violent I mean it was a high school girl who wasn't posing a threat. The days of not taking shit are over we must be the nice passive police in situations like this if we want to stay employed. I've never seen anyone fired for being overly patient.
I hope you find yourself in the same situation and with someone smart
phone recording your dog ass!
Being a cop I see the frustration but with the environment being what it is towards law enforcement you have to use your head. Call for an assist and talk the girl down if you have to go hands on don't be so violent I mean it was a high school girl who wasn't posing a threat. The days of not taking shit are over we must be the nice passive police in situations like this if we want to stay employed. I've never seen anyone fired for being overly patient.
10/29/2015 01:06:00 AM
Call for an assist? He WAS the assist. You call for an assist until the situation can be handled. He handled it. It became physical and he was capable of handling it. Now they have fired him. If I am the police in that town, under that Sherriff, I am done.
Nationally, we are incapable of doing a damn thing to anyone if we are a different race than the offender, although I am hard pressed to find a black cop/white offender in the National spotlight though. NO situation can be handled now. I hope the voters know it because the bad guys and the entitled young adults know it. This Country is in trouble and I am not trying to be funny when I say "Thanks Obama" because he threw the enourmous weight of the Presidency behind this movement.
The Illinois lottery isn't paying but the ghetto lottery still is. Be careful out there.
In fact, most state laws we know of declare without reservation that a police officer is not obligated to retreat in the face of resistance...
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That's the next step, my man! You'll just have to ask politely, and if dindu nuffin says he doesn't feel like it, you'll just have to go "aw shucks, have a nice day."
Then, when crime goes haywire, the socialists will turn around and blame the Police. And here's where you have to put yourself in the mind of a power hungry maniac and ask, "what's the next logical step?"
In my opinion, the next logical step is a federalization of police forces. This allows them to consolidate power.
All merit sgts class ! Wow all we need /more - suck holes
All merit class was made today, fop filed an injunction. McCarthy told the union he doesn't follow the rules. Can't wait for his departure.
I've seen worse from my high school shop teacher.
Mutations spawned of a failed subculture and enabled by a cowed, public education brainwashed population of sheep who continue to subsidize that community's misbehavior, partying and existing on our dime and spawning countless bastards.
This society will collapse in a gutter of subsidized epidemic bastardry.
Sheep, wolves, and sheep dogs. The sheep insist on trying to appease the wolves by attacking the sheep dogs and trying to buy off the wolves with goodies. That policy will only get the sheep eaten. But the sheep dogs will be OK if they watch their asses.
Put another way, Rome was doomed when they started to pay off barbarians who invaded the empire instead of smashing said barbarians. The barbarians soon realized that Rome didn't have the military strength to crush invaders and keep order within its borders any more.
Anonymous said...
Sheriff Lott keeps his job if he fires the officer and condemns his actions and is attacked by the media and forced to resign if he defends him.
10/29/2015 12:47:00 AM
Excellent analysis my dear friend. Law enforcement bosses throughout the country now know what the easiest and most expedient thing to do whenever there is a hint of controversy. Especially one that involves a white officer and a black person. Just fucking side with the public outrage and fire and criminally charge the officer. That will satisfy the masses.
I remember a boss one day at roll call told the troops to just fucking answer their jobs. He said: bosses have mortgages and cable bills too.
If a boss speaks up in favor of the officer they lose their job. If a boss feeds you to the wolves then he gets to keep his job. Gee, I wonder what the white shirt will do?
Merit list of 13 Sgts. out today. So, 31 made off of the list earlier this year makes the 13 exactly 29.5%. What's the deal? Why the push to get these 13 through? It seems a little odd to make so small a class. Maybe they arte all fantastic officers and great supervisory material, but 2 picks from 009, 015, 610 and a few other units? Way to spread it around McCarthy.
Sgt's list is out. I guess that merit for minorities thing just went out the window?
Then you have this punk moron questin taratino marching against the police, but oh no police are boycotting big backlash, finally let the punk with the crappy movies fend for himself! #bluelivesmatter #blackliesdontevermatter!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/us/quentin-tarantino-backlash-continues-among-police-groups.html?_r=0
HOW ABOUT ALL THE RACE BAITERS READ THIS - http://kfor.com/2015/10/29/mans-post-about-traffic-stop-goes-viral/
If you think I'm yelling with the caps I AM!!!
Got a call like this I enter the class room told the school personnel that was present that I shouldn't even be here this is not a police problem
I walked over to the student asked the student to leave the student replied I wasn't doing nothing wrong and she boogesh then the student said I ain't going nowhere
I look at the school people and said " she said she's not leaving so I'll right you a report
Pulled an RD for non criminal - other and went to lunch
Don't do shit out here it's not what they want your making a lot of money to do nothing
13 merit hacks promoted
Altamirano 12 years on
Barsch 16 years
Connelly j 16 years
Garza 15 years
Connolly l 17 years
Poulos. 14 years
Scott r 18 years
Stovar 9 years
Zogg 16 years
Sherman 21 years
Thompson 14 years
Lambert 21years
Neely 21 years
Police do not belong in class rooms, if it is not a criminal issue the school should handle it. Police Departments that allow officers to be school disciplinarians are setting their officers up for problems and probably violating the constitution!
Keep trying to be heroes!!! No boss from Sgt on up has our backs...wake up and make the adjustment to what is a new era in policing and a national agenda driven directly from the white house...
Ps
Stay tuned for the one where black kid gets shot 16 times on 45th / Pulaski it's on video.
Congrats Z . Great copper and will be a great sgt.
Do you think that this incident will get same amount of media attention? Probably not. Just some HS kids funnin, they aint done nothing.
http://patch.com/california/elkgrove/high-school-principal-slammed-ground-student-video
WTF! 13 people get promoted to Sgt.. That is a slap in the face. Is our union going to do anything or just sit idle. Twenty five years on the job and never have I seen this. W?hat is the story with these promotions?
13 Merit Sgt. Promoted today...
I am not a LEO. If I were called to this incident, with several adults already admitting they couldn't get compliance, I would ask everyone to leave the classroom before attempting anything. She was playing to her peers. I get the non-respect aspect and it would piss me off. Remove the audience and cameras. My two cents FWIW
Frank G
Those are just Old School Irish Christian Brother Tactics. What's the problem? I'd rather deal w/The Police than The Irish Christan Bros cuz the ass whipping woukda lasted the entire period.
- Call the parents
- let the school handle it
- call a supervisor .....
Pass the buck ( or the buck is gonna be used to gore you up ur arse )
Here endith the lesson
A ball-less whimp, a little pressure and poof, he caves.
As a preface to my comments, I should reveal that I have represented LEOs in civil, criminal and corporate (police association) matters for more than 42 years, my father was a CPD officer for 34 years and several of my uncles were also career CPD.
Police officers like any other group have some bad apples in the barrel. However, compared to local, state or national politicians, professional athletes, most other professions and even the clergy, the police proportionately have far fewer bad apples. Check the facts, they bear me out. I have had the good fortune to be present on several occasions when some down and out person has come into a police station and POs who were living from paycheck to paycheck have thrown in a few bucks they couldn't really afford to help out the individual. I have personally observed how police officers often react when they encounter a physically or mentally challenged child or adult. Very often they are the first ones to reach out to help and frequently try to aid financially. In my experience it never made any difference what race or color the person in need happened to be. And likewise, it never made any difference what race or color the police officers happened to be. The thin blue line which serves and protects is oblivious to race or color when duty calls or when people need help.
Unfortunately, there is now a war against LEOs. This has been promulgated by many years of misrepresentations of circumstances and outright lies by race baiters, politicians and those who make their livings by demonizing law enforcement, including plaintiff's lawyers and community organizers. The lives of LEOs are more in jeopardy than ever before. But so are the careers of LEOs. How do you do your job when everything you do is recorded by audio and video and every word spoken and decision made is scrutinized by supervisors, the press, IPRA, plaintiff's attorneys, and the public under FOIA? I can't think of another profession where the members are under such intense scrutiny by so many internal and external groups. This war is ill conceived and misguided. I never thought I would see the day when the word of people with a track record of felony convictions would be presumptively more believable than LEOs. But people ultimately will get the law enforcement they demand and deserve.
Since the mainstream media and politicians support, in most cases, those who have declared war on law enforcement such as BLM, Quentin Tarantino, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and others, it would seem to be personally irresponsible for LEOs to be proactive in their jobs. How do you explain to your spouse that due to your professional zeal (and the omnipresence of smartphone video), you are now the subject of administrative discipline and possible civil liability in which your personal assets and your family's well being are at stake? Job actions and suspensions are imposed before all the facts are known. Criminal investigations are instituted on the insistence of the press rather than on probable cause. As a result of the recent climate in this country with respect to law enforcement, my advice would be that until the tide starts to turn, just answer your calls and file your reports. Do not be proactive or do anything which would put your career and livelihood in jeopardy.
As a corollary proposition, the public should arm in order to protect themselves and their loved ones because when seconds count, the police will be many minutes away.
Sgt list out, class of 13....
Anyone see the viral video of the female officer in a "dance off" in D.C. Are you kidding me?! Is that what the officer in the classroom should have done? When faced with an active resister- "Retreat and challenge to a dance-off."
It worked in "Breakin' " and "Breakin' 2 Electric Boogaloo"....why fix what isn't broke? Call Turbo and Ozone if you need backup!!!!
Good for her Azz and if it were I then I wudda beat her AzZ also
Zogg 16 years
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Well, he was my class commander, he is a Marine and he is a hard working officer. I suppose some or maybe most of these meritorious picks are hacks but Paul Zogg is not one of them. Congrats, Paul, I suppose I won't see you in court anymore.
Ooops, Sgt. Pennix was our class commander, Sgt. Zogg was our assistant class commander.
Call a cop, does his job, gets fired. Period.
I think the officer should've called for a female officer none available wait it out .pride is a mother fucker. She was a passive resister. As for cozzo he struck a dude handcuff to a wheel chair come on
10/29/2015 01:12:00 PM
Call for a female?
What the fuck are you talking about.
You're really going to call for a female officer, to do your job for you?
You must be the laziest motherfuckers around
The Sheriff is much like our Supt. Gary And Mayor Rahm. They all have No Balls and do NOT back up their Officers! A rush to judgement based on politics without doing a proper investigation!
Gal Dangit. They need a seat belt mission.
Thats why I just sit and watch..... Fuckem
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's a little quip to keep in mind at all times:
"If they be black, then I step back!"
Don't want to produce a driver's license? No problem, have yourself a nice day.
Don't want to pay for your food or 40 ouncer? No problem, I will just make out a report.
Don't want to leave the classroom when ordered by a teacher? I understand, you want to make sure you're getting your education in.
Why get in arguments, fights, lawsuits and the newspapers for dealing with nonsense.
Who is the goof here? Ain't gonna be you! Why risk your job, your family's comfort, your good name? For what!
Just step back, smile and know that you're going to be ok. And continued to be employed.
10/29/2015 03:25:00 PM
This is only contributing to the problem. Any good parent knows that when your child throws a tantrum, you don't cave in but stand your ground and. NIP IT IN THE BUD! Society has created monsters like this because the parents neglected to do this. In the schools, the teachers and cops are "in loco parentis" or for you that don't speak Latin, WE ARE ACTING IN BEHALF OF THEORY PARENTS! As such, we have a responsibility to parent their spawn that never got parented in the first place. So do not abdicate your responsibility and figure out a way to deal with it. Brains not brawn. Don't let the little shits get you rattled. The entire class should have been asked to step out and then the problem could have been dealt with minus the audience..
Sheriff Lott' s backbone has the consistency of puppy shit and probably smells worse.
Anonymous said...
Being a cop I see the frustration but with the environment being what it is towards law enforcement you have to use your head. Call for an assist and talk the girl down if you have to go hands on don't be so violent I mean it was a high school girl who wasn't posing a threat. The days of not taking shit are over we must be the nice passive police in situations like this if we want to stay employed. I've never seen anyone fired for being overly patient.
10/29/2015 01:06:00 AM
Thank you. I was hoping someone from the Water Reclamation Police would chime in here eventually.
Has anyone seen the video of the black h.s. student flip a white teacher...wtf is going on
I'm guessing the class is only 13 because their inflated egos and self-worth take up a lot of space in a classroom.
Chicago police bosses wouldn't throw you under the bus like that (tongue in cheek)
poor girl. On the view they said she may have been 'disturbed.' Already making excuses. It's almost like watching a comedy. We are doomed. This girl had her back hit the floor hit the floor and she was uninjured. It was volatile, and the public cannot stomach that. No uncomfortable images for the tender sensibilities for the average American. Lie to them, as usual. What a joke. Ya, the cop was kind of rough, granted, but what is he supposed to do, go tit for tat for half hour? Christ, he could have tased her, or OC sprayed her. And she was an a active resister, not a passive resistor. Looking at this every way to Sunday, I would not have wanted my daughter treated like that, but that would be on her, would it not? I guess there should be a 5 minute rule - got tit for tat for 5 minutes before you can use force that is actually effective.
There is now a "National Association Of School Resource Officers." Another CALEA-type setup, offering "training" and having "conferences" all over the country in fancy hotels. "Not for profit" except for the salaries, of course...
Splashy web site --
https://nasro.org/
WTF is a "Resource Officer," anyway? Someone who makes sure no one is wasting the school's precious deposits of coal, iron ore -- like that?
We are losing the English language.
Has anyone seen the video of the black h.s. student flip a white teacher...wtf is going on
10/30/2015 06:55:00 AM
Have not seen that one. Media continues to show the video of the white police officer & black student over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Guess that there is not enough time to show the mentioned video?
The Officer was known as "Officer Slam" and the students mother had died recently and she is now in foster care.
I teach at a regular CPS high school - heavy on the latino kids, lesser amount of asian, white and black kids. Fighting has been on the upswing for the past year. Getting kind of vicious in the past month. Particularly the girls. I've been wondering: why does it ALWAYS have to be the black students making a scene? Can't the students mix it up a bit? Maybe a little black vs. latino? Or white vs. black? Or latino vs. asian? The predictability sucks.
"Don't Tase Me Bro...!"
Hopefully ( one day soon ) there WILL be a boss who is getting set to retire , who : is fed up - will not cave - will back up his officer - will say he / she did the correct thing - and will tell the politicians and the press and all the anarchist groups to shove it .
But of course it will have to be someone who has 1 foot out the door ; someone "they" have no power over .
"We can't think of a Use of Force model in existence that advocates "de-escalation" in the face of an assault. In fact, most state laws we know of declare without reservation that a police officer is not obligated to retreat in the face of resistance and is in fact authorized by the State to use whatever force is necessary to overcome said resistance."
un-fucking-fucking-believable that sums up his use of force perfectly.
10:33 PM There already is that boss with a set of balls out there: His name is Sheriff David Clarke in Milwaukee County.
The Officer was known as "Officer Slam" and the students mother had died recently and she is now in foster care.
10/30/2015 02:00:00 PM
Oh, her life isn't perfect. Well, by all means let her take over a classroom, disturb everybody else and hit a police officer. It's only right. I think I did that when my mom died.
Tactic -- "Remove the audience." Just fires the situation up. Kids and everyone out in the hall for their own safety. If it has to become a police thang, make it so.
"I not goin nowhere, gon stay and tay this up." Why hurt your back? Cuff up and scoot the whole chair, with Smartphone in it, right off down the corridor towards the doors and a disorderly conduct charge...whizzz...
How many of you officers have jagoff kids? Your little angels upon being stopped go right into who daddy or mommy is. Some cop an attitude. Do you want me to body slam your little angel because they didn't respond fast enough to my command? Some of you justify that officer's behavior. Remember that the next time your kid or other family member comes home and tells you that they were treated badly by an officer. I guarantee you won't take the officer's side.
If I had a little jagoff kid, I would definitely take the officer's side! That's pretty much the argument being made by most of us!
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