It's the Sentencing...or Lack of It
- Tougher gun laws would have kept 160 people behind bars so they could not have become suspected shooters or victims of gun violence this year, according to the Chicago Police Department.
Seventy-four shooting victims and 86 shooting suspects were previously convicted of gun possession and were free after serving time behind bars or receiving probation.
They would have been behind bars and not on the street to become victims or suspects under stricter laws — which include a minimum sentence of three years in prison for gun possession and “truth in sentencing,” said [...], a spokesman for the department.
Well, that would be a start - using the laws that are already on the books. Now who has been advocating that position for years, decades even?
Oh yeah, the NRA - here's a short selection from the NRA about how gun laws are routinely ignored by the courts involving a supposed "gun runner" the liberals like to trot out as a straw-man when clamoring for more laws:
- For starters, it’s a federal felony for a resident of one state to acquire a firearm in another state, except under stringent dealer requirements. Private interstate sales between individuals trading in any firearm is illegal (Sec. 922(a)(3)). The penalty: five years in prison on each count.
Since [the] gunrunner sells his five guns to five different individuals, each transaction involved is counted so the gunrunner’s five guns apply in every violation. Here it adds up to 25 years in prison. Federal Law Tab: 25 years.
It is a federal felony for “any person” to “transfer, sell, trade, give, transport or deliver any firearm to any person” who the person knows, or has reason to know, does not reside in the same state (Sec. 922(a)(5)). The penalty: five years in prison on each count. Five guns: 25 years in prison. Federal Law Tab: 50 years.
If an out-of-state resident buys from a dealer and makes a false or fictitious statement in purchasing a firearm, or exhibits false identification, those acts are federal felonies, five years on each count (Sec. 922(a)(6)). Falsely filling in the Form 4473 is a crime punishable by 10 years in prison per count. Since [the] gunrunner used fraudulent identification and lied, and swore falsely on his 4473s, three separate crimes occurred under this section. Five guns: 150 years in prison. Federal Law Tab: 200 years.
It is a federal felony for a convicted felon to buy, receive or transport or possess any firearm or ammunition. Under Sec. 922(g)(1), each action mentioned—purchase, receipt, transporting or possession—is a 10-year federal felony. Possession means even touching a gun. If applied just to the five guns, that’s 50 years in prison. Receiving the guns from the dealer amounts to 50 years in prison. Transporting the guns to New York City is a 50-year prison sentence. These 922(g)(1) crimes call for 150 years in prison. Federal Law Tab: 350 years.
That's only the first four charges. The article goes on to cite 15 different charges totaling 1,050 years in prison for gunrunning...but when was the last time you heard of someone getting 1,000 years for that? We posted an article last month about a guy who ran 50-plus guns over state lines and he got probation.
So it's nice to see Garry making some sort of sense, even if it's by accident.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
36 Comments:
It is plain to expensive to keep all the people in jail that belong in jail, besides the fact that it makes the U.S. look racist and isn't PC. It is not easy living in a nation run by liberal/progressive politicians.
Gotta talk to Toni, Big Guy. She doesn't like so many people of color in her jail.
The Police are locking m/fers up.
Though not quite as hard as they were 15 to 20 years ago.
Toni Prickwrinkle and Chica Abogado Estado whine about
too many black and brown people (and folks) are being
incarcerated so they installed rubber wedges under the
doors at cook county jail.
Having clout = zero years in prison
Gun Control is not about Guns, It is all about Control.
All those exemptions for police? Take guns away from the law abiding citizens, and your special exemptions will go a few years later. Just like in Civilized Europe, you will leave your gun at the precinct when you go off shift to your unarmed home.
While the same criminals that bring in tons of drugs every day from Mexico and South America will add a profitable new product. They will also bring in hundreds of guns every day for their criminal buddies. In fifty years, the police will live in police barracks for their own safety, just like much of Europe.
douch bag Gary is getting warm, but still does not know shit about this job
'We posted an article last month about a guy who ran 50-plus guns over state lines and he got probation.'
Whitey Bulger killed people and the feds looked the other way. All because he spun a few stories, and gave them some other scum-bags. What do you think that guy did to get probation from the feds?
Sadly, Most of these thugs are safer in jail than on the streets. The law abiding citizens are definitely safer if the thugs are in jail.
So Let's Early Release Six Thousand Criminals!
Are these politicians stupid or do they just hate the poor people stuck in those neighborhoods with the thugs?
Here's how we make nice with the anti-gun zealots. Pass all the gun laws you want, up to and including confiscation (which is what they really want). The truth is, in this day and age, none of the laws will actually be enforced anyway, and we all know it. And if for some reason one was selectedly enforced, there would be no consequences for it. Just a feel-good show for the left. And so we slide closer and closer to anarchy and race war. "From my cold, dead hands".
Okay. This is for all the really smart math people - based upon this post, how many years should members of our government get for the fast and the furious? I personally can't do that math it hurts my brain
It can be done. The FBI just chooses not to do it:
https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/chicago/press-releases/2014/south-holland-man-sentenced-to-nearly-17-years-in-prison-for-illegally-trafficking-hundreds-of-guns-from-indiana-to-chicago
Rahm is mad at the Supe for using common sense. Democrats are not allowed to even whisper about common sense.
Make our prisons like those in Turkey. Remember the movie "The Midnite Express"? That's the way our prisons should be.
We need to give young blacks good paying jobs, not jail. Unfortunately, all the semi-skilled jobs are being taken by future democrat voters that are swarming over from south of the border. But not to worry, I am sure Obama has a plan.
SCC here is what we have bene arguing here in Illinois;
AGUUW is Class 4 felony 1-3 years.
Most of these "honor students" have a previous gun conviction which would make them felons. Felon in possession charge under Illinois law id a class 3 2-5 years.
If they have been convicted like that then they are ineligible for a FOID card. Under the FOID card possession while being ineligible is a class 3, again 2-5 years.
So the mandatory 3 years Gary and Rahm and Anita want are right there. Charge the FOID violation 1/2 the time would be 2.5 years. just shy of the full 3 they want. Add them all together and you get an easy 13 years for consecutive sentencings. If they served 1/2 that time they are facing 6.5 tears.
If they charged, and then cut a deal, why would they not look at the defense council, add up the 13 and then offer them 3-4 and call it a day? they get the 3 they wanted. But me thinks Anita is not charging the whole thing. It would be real interesting to see in how many of these cases the FOID charge was even made.
The NRA example you cited doesn't even count federal felon in possession charge, 5 years and if it happens to be PWID, another 5.
Todd V
The phrase "tougher gun laws," when used by liberals and their puppets, means MORE gun laws. Passing more laws is what Americans do when they can't enforce the existing ones.
We already have all the laws we need. If people want these existing, perfectly adequate laws to work they need to start looking at the judges and prosecutors that enforce them.
No more new laws.
"Corruptissima re publica plurimae legs"
Garry also said it's impossible for the feds to handle the volume if Chicago charged these gun runners in Chicago, therefore bankrupt Chicago and bankrupt Illinois needs more gun laws.
How can Chicago handle the volume when they don't have the money? It IS all about the money right? You need judges, lawyers, prosecutors, admin staff. How the fuck can Chicago handle the volume when Garry says the feds can't?
Or perhaps the reason we're told the fed can't handle the workload is because of where the criminal ends up. i.e. a fed prison and therefore there's money that is lost or made by the parties involved.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
Ain't nothing like job security if you turn a thug back out in the streets. A real ego boost too. Talk about empire building. How many cases have you handled? Like a badge of honor yeah?
Yes, and despite the truth in what is federal and state law and how it is enforced, Sen. Durbin and Hillary are calling for even more laws to be passed to further control guns. All they do is make it hard on the law abiding gun owner where many of them are caught up in arcane laws that serve no purpose in controlling crime. The true hidden intent of liberals is a total gun grab and they are working hard to that end. They believe that they can eventually take control of the Supreme Court and overturn all decisions regarding the 2nd amendment regarding private ownership of firearms.
Squawk all you want gMac, Prizewrinkle & Rahm won't put browns in the pokey. I'm surprised the media allowed that comment.
There's still hope for the Obama-Holder Fast $ Furious Plan to take effect...any day now the runners will be far across the border.
Which border is to be determined.
Bad Link for the NRA publications. Can you fix it?
Project Exile, Richmond, VA - circa 1990 had the local authorities turning over firearm crimes to the Feds for prosecution.
Criminals noted that they were going away for at least 10 years, and started disarming themselves....
Ask yourself just why Chiraq is 90/90 in Federal Prosecutions for crimes furthered by firearms. A good person to ask might be Scott Drury, State Rep who used to be a Federal Prosecutor.... you know, the libtarded moron that marches around Highland Park trying to get "No Guns" signs posted on businesses with his libtard counterpart - Senator Julie Morrison (another anti-gun fool responsible for pushing the so-called assault weapons ban in Highland Park).
This is how the left operates. They purposefully create events that will later be advantageous to them because in the present moment they can't get what they want. They are a very patient lot and a very forward thinking lot. They think decades ahead and plan accordingly. While conservatives are always playing defense. The left knows they can't take away guns. So the plan is to make gun violence more prevalent; go easy on the criminals and let them cause murder, mayhem, anarchy and then step in and say "see, we told you that guns are the problem" and we have a solution- take away guns.
Garry is way wrong by calling for tougher gun laws when what he is asking for is tougher sentencing laws. They are not the same thing!
Judges here are so against doing their jobs, scared to lock up felonious thugs, the democratic leadership are the puppet master judges do whatever they are told! Just a wate of tax money even having them! Let's hope Trump taps Putin and we could send our scum thugs to Russian gulag prison, bet recidivism rate would be less than 2%!
The ultimate goal is to disarm every American Citizen so total tyranny can go unopposed. Many diabolical leaders and their associated governing class first disarmed their citizenry and then exerted their will upon them as they deemed appropriate.
Current laws will be sold as enforceable and ineffective. Stricter laws leading up to a total and complete confiscation is the ultimate goal.
"Tough Gun Laws"
are already on the books.
The lib-tard bobble-heads and rattle-minds
natter and yammer insanely about "Why can't
we be more like Europe and just ban all guns?"
It's the height of crazy isn't it?
Liberalism truly is a mental disorder...
Observe how they whine, and sputter in indignation
when an intrepid, free-thinking soul drives a logical
left cross through the front teeth of whatever biased/
slanted argumentation they're desperately trying to
prop up.
The "Emulate Europe" pseudo-solutions as a curative for all
ills both real and perceived here in the U.S. is the reflexive
response of the America Hating Alinskyites who think standing
to pee is a sign of "macho posturing" and aggression.
If these muthafuckahs weren't so dangerous, destructive, cowardly,
corrosive and ruinous; they would actually be somewhat amusing.
Recognize and see them for what they truly are...
If these sniveling, seditious, cowardly yellow-pinky twinks are so enamored
of that forward thinking, progressive, civilized, brightly shining utopia of
"European Example of Excellence," they're free to renounce American
Citizenship and relocate their precious selves, treasures and talents to where
they can be readily put to use.
"No no no! You mean, stupid conservative!
Stop putting words in our mouths!"
Well WTF?
Why even pretend that isn't a viable option?
Ohhh... You're afraid you might "lose something"
like a privilege, benefit or a loss of place in the
social pecking order?
Why not just devote yourselves to NOT being such a
resolute stink in the nostrils of free men?
Thus sayeth the big, mean, unfriendly, bitter, hateful, cush pension and sweet
early retirement after more than half a life-time in the ghetto, Cop...
Politicians that want more gun laws are the same people that think to many people of color are in jail .
Accuse police officers of racial profiling , demand more police officers on patrol in their crime infested , one parent neighborhoods .
WTF is wrong with these politicians ?
Stop this "fake" gun violence movement. how can a gun be blamed when a shooter kills people because they are Christians, you know, the ones screaming and protesting because who other people want to love and marry. It is none of their business and they behave worse than when they were denied the right to worship whoever. Stop the hate, and bigotry and the violence will stop. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
"Seventy-four shooting victims and 86 shooting suspects were previously convicted of gun possession and were free after serving time behind bars or receiving probation.
"They would have been behind bars and not on the street to become victims or suspects under stricter [application of existing] laws..."
A. What was that study that concluded that a vast proportion of the violence here is conducted by about 100,000 people, many of whom know each other in some way? Sounds like they were right.
B. We have crossed some kind of Rubicon when we start talking about "locking people up so they won't get shot." This is a profound mind-twister.
10:07 Hrs- Correct, but add another clown to the Highland Pk Circus - Mayor Nancy Rottering. She has received funding from former NYC Mayor Bloomberg to push his anti-gun agenda. She knows that her 10+ magazine ban will lose in the US Supreme Court but wants to keep the issue and her name in the news in order to run for Congress in the near future. Prior to this ban Highland Park was like Oak Park & Evanston and had a handgun ban. Why do these libtards try to force merchants to post the anti CCW signs on their store?? They may as well post a sign that says Please Rob Me - I'm a guilt ridden liberal.
I get the bs, see it and hear about it every time some shit happens involving guns. What I don't get is why the Democrats are trying so hard to disarm civilians who legally own guns. Never understood that.
After Compstat last Thursday, "Chief" Tracy met with the newly promoted Detectives and began his speech about the change-up in concept of Compstat. One of the new Det. asked Tracy a question regarding gun possession crimes and “truth in sentencing". Tracy appeared nervous and agitated with the question. He finally blamed the NRA as the reason we don't have “truth in sentencing,” on the books in Illinois. 9-digit, McCarthy and Tracy must go ASAP.
I'd like to have a gun control advocate come here and explain how he thinks by placing a no-gun sticker on his window or making a certain area a gun free zone will prevent violence. Think about the stupidity of those people in Highland Park running around pushing their no gun stickers on merchants. Are they really stupid enough to believe that if dude see's one on a store window that he will not rob it? Can they not see that the only people who will obey those stickers are the law abiding citizens and not the criminals? How can otherwise intelligent,successful people be so stupid when it comes to guns and self protection?
We all know "it's the NRA's fault"!
Anonymous said...
I get the bs, see it and hear about it every time some shit happens involving guns. What I don't get is why the Democrats are trying so hard to disarm civilians who legally own guns. Never understood that.
10/12/2015 07:05:00 PM
Liberals really want a total ban on private ownership of firearms. They constantly propose knee jerk laws that only hurt the law abiding because they either do not know what to do or are afraid to propose what really works. They just go back to their dog and pony show
The Alinskyite Progressives biggest wet-dream
beside putting "Hollow Man" in the White House
is a national gun ban/confiscation.
"Why can't we be more like Europe?"
You can't properly engage these people in rational
conversation about a common-sense thing like
"We The People" having the means and will to
exercise self defense in our day to day existence
and to pose a potent check to the elected official
class if ever they overstep their authority or choose
to act contrary to the will of the upright, tax paying
citizenry of this nation.
Those who misuse firearms should be harshly and swiftly
dealt with and put apart from the rest of civilized society
for multiples of many years, if not permanently.
The problem in America is that punishment for all the
right people (and folks) isn't swift, isn't sure and doesn't
leave deep enough scars.
Crush the spirit of the violent criminal and crush it to a powder...
He will have no appetite whatsoever to re-offend and will be glad
and humbled to feel the wind on his face when his sentence in fully served.
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