So, Which is It?
Last week, we were "fetal," pretty much giant candy-asses who were scared of cameras.
Then Rahm "clarified" his statement, saying, yeah the cops are candy-asses, but hey, that YouTube stuff really has them back on their heels, completely leaving out the fact that the YouTube shit has been promulgated by police haters from president Sparklefarts on down....and oh yeah, and it's mostly lies.
Then, McCompStat trots out the "cops are getting thousands of guns off the streets, how can they not be doing their jobs if they're getting thousands of guns off the streets?"
Then, once again, the cops are fucking it all up:
Then Rahm "clarified" his statement, saying, yeah the cops are candy-asses, but hey, that YouTube stuff really has them back on their heels, completely leaving out the fact that the YouTube shit has been promulgated by police haters from president Sparklefarts on down....and oh yeah, and it's mostly lies.
Then, McCompStat trots out the "cops are getting thousands of guns off the streets, how can they not be doing their jobs if they're getting thousands of guns off the streets?"
Then, once again, the cops are fucking it all up:
- Amid a spike in shootings and murders that’s put a national spotlight on the city this year, authorities in Chicago are seizing more illegal guns than anywhere else in the country.
The Chicago Police Department says it has seized more than 5,500 illegal guns in the first nine months of this year — most of those confiscated during searches in high-crime areas on the South Side and the West Side. By comparison, the number of illegal guns seized in Chicago all last year was about 7,000 — about 583 a month, versus 611 a month this year.
But even though they’re winning seven of every 10 gun cases, Cook County prosecutors acknowledge they’re having a tougher time getting convictions.
Well then, that would appear to be a County prosecutor problem, right? Wrong:
- In part, that’s because of the public’s concern over police tactics in the wake of high-profile shootings of African-Americans by police officers around the country, according to both prosecutors and defense attorneys. They say that’s caused growing skepticism among jurors about the credibility of police officers.
“It is probably more difficult to prove these gun possession cases than it has been in the past,” said Fabio Valentini, chief of the criminal prosecutions bureau for the Cook County state’s attorney’s office. “I think it makes sense that the events of the last couple of years have affected the way that jurors look at police narratives.”
They are claiming that seventy-two percent of the guns cases are pled out as guilty. But cops are at fault for the twenty-eight percent who beat the charges.
Let's just point out that we can't recall a single instance of a Chicago cop planting a gun. And of the guns seized, we can't recall but a handful that were ever returned for any reason whatsoever. The vast majority of the seven thousand recovered last year and the five thousand-plus recovered this year were possessed by felons and other ineligible persons. But it's the fault of the police that the Assistant States Attorneys can't make a case?
Hey Fabio, why don't your people make the case that this media driven leftist narrative is based on half-truths, deception, misrepresentation of police procedure and outright lies? Or would that be asking too much? We guess your political masters won't let you correct that misconception.
Let's just point out that we can't recall a single instance of a Chicago cop planting a gun. And of the guns seized, we can't recall but a handful that were ever returned for any reason whatsoever. The vast majority of the seven thousand recovered last year and the five thousand-plus recovered this year were possessed by felons and other ineligible persons. But it's the fault of the police that the Assistant States Attorneys can't make a case?
Hey Fabio, why don't your people make the case that this media driven leftist narrative is based on half-truths, deception, misrepresentation of police procedure and outright lies? Or would that be asking too much? We guess your political masters won't let you correct that misconception.
Labels: county, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
87 Comments:
in general, report writing skills are lacking amongst the majority of the cpd. Less is NOT more when it comes to writing a report. The story must be told from beginning to end, in detail. Especially in today's world of policing. If it's not in your report, it didn't happen. Granted the ASA may work out a plea deal, or a corrupt or moronic judge may find the bad guy not guilty. It's more important to cover yourself with a detailed factual report.
The fact is that the Mayor, who has the confidence and trust of the people that elected him, has just very recently stated that it is our fault, the CPD, that the crime rate is up. We are just plain not doing the job that we are paid to do. We need to be more aggressive, within the rules, and work harder.
"...of the guns seized, we can't recall but a handful that were ever returned for any reason whatsoever..." --SCC
...including those seized from a burglary arrestee, and the legal owner found it near-impossible to get his property back?
I know. So many "guns seized" over here, and a "theft from building" over...well, same place. Huh?
But shhh...CompStat is listening.
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I don't understand how UUW, UUW by a felon, etc are not cut/dry cases. Did you have said weapon? Were you in possession of it, are you a felon, did an Officer see you with it, etc? If yes, done. Like dope in a vehicle, who is taking possession? If no one does, you can charge everyone. Why isn't it the same with a weapon? Hell, for a red light ticket, the video is considered "prima facia" evidence and you lose. Why is there even a way to "beat" these gun cases? I had an ASA deny felony charges on someone who had no FOID, no CCL, in possession of a STOLEN, loaded handgun. She admitted to carrying it because she lives in a "rough" area. They denied the felony charges because she did not admit that it was stolen and therefore you cannot reasonably assume she knew she was committing a felony, wtf? Then everyone wonders why gun crimes are on the rise and how people stay out of jail. Ridiculous.
"The Chicago Police Department says it has seized more than 5,500 illegal guns in the first nine months of this year — most of those confiscated during searches in high-crime areas on the South Side and the West Side. By comparison, the number of illegal guns seized in Chicago all last year was about 7,000 — about 583 a month, versus 611 a month this year."
I call Bullshit.
My gut tells me that these recovered gun numbers run parallel to other CompCrap numbers - that is they're inflated/manipulated/massaged/tweaked - as means to an end.
I recall some years ago the department putting on a huge Dog & Pony Show for the media in the parking lot at what was the Helene Curtis factory at North & Cicero avenues. The media whores were treated to the viewing of hundreds of firearms of all types zip-tied to sheets of particle board which were "seized by our officers so far this year". Perusing the collection, my partner at the time pointed out a pistol that he was sure had been hanging in the display case at the Academy for years. Sure as shit, closer examination revealed a tag with a many years-old RD# tied to the trigger guard of this gun.
Which leads me to my point (here's the potential bone for all you intrepid media puds)...
per our directives, every firearm recovered/seized by the CPD must be inventoried SEPARATELY. Therefore, there should exist more than 5,500 inventories. Perhaps a simple FOIA request for these inventories would confirm or refute the stats being churned out by the bookmakers at Fort Fellatio. And if they wished, they could easily redact everything but the date, inventory number and description of the firearm should they try and tell you that criminal cases are ongoing and releasing such documents would jeopardize outcomes, blah, blah, blah.
And as far as "growing skepticism among jurors about the credibility of police officers"? Chief Fabio Valentini had better introduce policy and procedure to vett better educated and less jaded prospective jurors. Until the tide turns back in LE's favor, I'll happily remain 'fetal' unless it's a fellow copper, friend, neighbor or family member. The rest of "skeptical of police" society can enjoy the bed they've collectively made.
Yep. well that's about it. The public can't trust CPD because CPD's primary job is to serve and protect the very people robbing them.
Strong arm property tax increases and all he has to say is 'it's necessary' and money is removed from your wallet like magic. How much is enough? Tax everything.
CPD serves and protect the corrupt politicians first, then protects their own paychecks and then the brotherhood. Then the taxpayers beginning with the corporations that fund the corrupt politicians campaigns. At the very bottom is the avg. middle class taxpayers.
It should be pretty obvious that the number of guns taken off the streets is not a very good metric for reducing violent crime one might conclude.
Un-freakin'-real.
Police officer cameras might be one way to counteract the BLM lies.
Pretty hard to say the gun was planted when the officer pulls it off the thug during a frisk.
The criminals officially in the Chitcago city government are telling the criminals not officially in the Chitcago government that carrying a gun and using it ain't no big deal. If they really thought it was an issue, they'd lock the thugs up when they are caught with a gun. They give them probation, time served, plead the charge away, or just do not prosecute, because getting rid of guns may be what they say they want, but they never seem to actually accomplish.
Our Benign and Wonderful Lords and Masters may say they want Gun Control, but what they really want is People Control. And thugs with guns keep the unarmed people scared so they are easier to control.
Come on, Police plant guns are the innocent all the time!
I know because I saw it on a TV show!
Can I get an event number?
How can any man named Fabio say something like this?
Every man that I have ever known named Fabio is much smarter....And kinder....And prettier.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
At least Rahm's school board appointees and Cook County Clerk associates are not "going fetal". They are still stealing with both hands.
“It is probably more difficult to prove these gun possession cases than it has been in the past,” said Fabio Valentini, chief of the criminal prosecutions bureau for the Cook County state’s attorney’s office. “I think it makes sense that the events of the last couple of years have affected the way that jurors look at police narratives.”
i got cook county states attorney anita alvarez's narrative blame the police for the 28%
MEDIA PLEASE read this, the problem is the States Atty office and Judges with soft sentencing at times giving minimum for multiple gun offenses and gang members with several felony convictions. EXAMPLE: last month I grabbed a 17 year old who was already on electronic monitoring for a gun offense and he had another gun while on EM. His first appearance in front of the judge the judge said I believe in chances and released him back to his house again on EM, WTF right!!!!! This is just one example and this happening every day in Cook County courts multiple times a day. If there are any REAL REPORTERS left and I doubt it, try to do an investigation of gun offenders in Chicago of how many times they were arrested with a gun and the sentencing they received also how many Felony convictions they have, you won't even believe it. If there is a very good States Atty out there that wants ANITA'S job this is your ticket. Police know this system is a joke and so do the gang members.
The high crime/murder rate cannot be the fault of the courts, democrat politicians, or the mayor, so lets blame it on the CPD.
Everything is coppers fault easy to blame, ever watch "house of cards?" It's a reality show this is what elected do to steer the spotlight from their total ineptitude to an easy target to blame,and that is us! The problem for the elected is simply we as a group aren't falling into the "trap" and are tired of being used as pawns in a vicious political game! With taxpayers and police it's a matter of safety and security, life and death, so innocent people are you tired yet of all the rhetoric? Then and only then will this turn around, when elected,judges,understand you do the crime you do all the time! When you have felonious criminals being released at a rapid pace, when you have county board president saying "to many black n brown" in jail getting released early you have mayhem much more than ever before! Where are the pro-police marching at? In the 70's early 80's many people sported bumper stickers "support your police" and "police deserve a contract" what happened?
When good people shudder and hide anarchy reins, when good people are quiet and don't demand change this happens, when you bastardized police in the media and elected officials don't support police you know the rest!
As a detective handling these UUW cases as of late, I can honestly tell you that more cases than I'd like to admit are full of bad paperwork, questionable police work, civil rights violations, and downright illegal tactics. This shit might have flown 20 or even 15 years ago, but today you're going to get sued and/or imprisoned. There's cameras everywhere and we don't have any friends left. A lot of officers really need training on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and what constitutes a lawful warrantless search.
(OT) officier killed in Minnesota may he RIP!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/19/man-treated-in-hospital-grabs-officer-gun-kills-him/?intcmp=hpbt2
Rahm only takes credit never blame!
Never trust an ass-hat that cuts his own finger off making a sandwich.
"Let's just point out that we can't recall a single instance of a Chicago cop planting a gun."
Or that we know personally got caught doing it. Perhaps You can talk to someone retired from IAD they would surely enlighten you
This isn't about cops, its about control of internet content. Government wants an OFF switch to control what your looking at.
What's the harm in that, comrade?
And Big Head Kulbida wants to know why no wants to lock anyone up....
Democratic Report Card
F in Math
A in Rhetoric (bullshit)
Raise taxes on corporations, corporations leave, tax revenue down on corporate tax revenue due to the company leaving, state income tax down as a result of jobs lost and sales tax down as a result of unemployed unable to spend. Unemployed receive benefits which further empty the state coffers.
Guns off the street equal less shootings and homicides. Democrats hate guns, but like civil rights. Democrats make job of police so difficult that it is harder to justify stopping people and getting guns off the street. We are reporting more guns recovered this year. Guess what, there are more guns out on the street than ever before! Our hits may have gone up but our at-bats have gone up more proportionately. 200 hits in 500 at bats is .400. 210 hits in 600 at bats is .350. Our batting average is going down. There will be more bodies on the street. Wait til next year when we are hampered even more.
Spin your rhetoric around that Democrats.
Don't forget the rare parole violation warrant being issued when you do get the parolee with the gun... Or not long ago all the felony charges denied. At least now charges are approved more often then not
Then there's all the ones they don't bother charging w/ firearm violations. Like the woman that shot up a neighborhood during a fight (5 rounds), caught on video, and they charged her w/ misdemeanor reckless behavior.
GOT IT RAHM??? CONTROL the ILLEGAL GUNS seized every day. Put the people carrying illegal guns around the city using them in "minor" crimes AWAY for 10 plus years each. Guess what, you will see a reduction in crime "stats" if you do this. How is that for Gun Control!!
Who cares!? Stay fetal my friends!!!
"In part, that’s because of the public’s concern over police tactics in the wake of high-profile shootings of African-Americans by police officers around the country..."
Translation --
"In part, that's due to police concern over the public's rioting in the wake of high-profile attacks on police officers by African-Americans around the country..."
Ahem, have you read some of the arrest reports lately for uuw arrests or even pcs arrests??? It's really not a suprise that many of these cases lose. "I Saw the defendant throw a shiney object into the grass and continued pursuing him. Went back to the same area and found a handgun. No statements etc... Not guilty every time. Guys and the "shiney object" crap. If u didn't see a gun u better articulate your case better because more facts will be needed to support your case. People are too vague and think that will be fine for court. The more
Details, more Information The better your case will be. Stop Writing your paper like you're scared of getting a conviction. There is nothing wrong with articulating as much as you can weather you think it's needed or not.
SCC, if it were possible to transform a sow's ear into a silk purse, you'd get an A for effort. As it is, Chicago left the ear region long ago and is rapidly closing in on being the south end of a northbound sow. Need proof? Just look at your mayor, city hall, and state reps. Which end of the sow are they closer to? Clue: It's the part of the sow you see when the head is buried in the feed trough.
Cook County is inept by design.
so.....CPD confiscates more guns than other cities.....observations:
a) gun offenders in Illinois apparently receive the minimum sentences, because lawmakers don't want to punish minority offenders (?)
b) the memo re: confiscating guns: Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson, Mrs. Glock, the Sig and Sauer brothers, and the rest of the family, say....okay!, take the guns, we'll make more!
c) by most estimates, there are about 270 million handguns and long guns in America; hey Hillary and the liberals, do you want to start collecting (or trying to collect) all of them now?....put down the pipe and the beer goggles...
Hey Fabio - how many jury demands for a UUW case this year?? No way were 28% of the cases you cite ended up before a jury.
The only reason some people will reelect anita is that they won't vote for the #blm candidate Kimberly Foxx. This is a perfect chance for the republicans to get a quality candidate to defeat either demorat next November
@ 10/19/2015 12:54:00 AM...
Ditto on the importance of factual, clear and concise case
report writing being a key element in putting forcible felons
in their cages for lengthy sentences.
No pun intended...
On many serious "Police Involved Incidents,"
our Sector Sergeants/Field Lieutenants/Watch Commanders
(Deliberately paying nary a lick of attention to the New Yuck
sourced district operational structure now in place. Fuck those over-comped
law enforcement carpetbaggers,)
looked for our beat tag or called for a meet and asked if we and
our partner(s) would do the paper and save good Policemen some grief.
We are happy to report that not a single Copper was ever hurt behind
any paper we did.
As a slight aside...
Fun is having an ASA pull you aside and ask:
"Officer? What does THIS word mean?"
Being able to clearly and vividly present the facts of the case
with a calm and professional and crisp demeanor means garnering
a reputation as an Officer that defense counsel hates to see coming.
Being aware of their tricks and ploys doesn't hurt either...
"Hiya Office!
Hey, about this case..."
"I'll be happy to tell you ALL about it counsel...
On the stand... Under oath..."
Defense Counsel said:
"Urk!" 😳😲😳
For some "unknown" reason, his client took a
guilty plea...
>Snicker!<
The fact is that the Mayor, who has the confidence and trust of the people that elected him, has just very recently stated that it is our fault, the CPD, that the crime rate is up. We are just plain not doing the job that we are paid to do. We need to be more aggressive, within the rules, and work harder.
10/19/2015 12:58:00 AM
Stay off of the blog you troll
"I Saw the defendant throw a shiney object into the grass and continued pursuing him. Went back to the same area and found a handgun. No statements etc... Not guilty every time. Guys and the "shiney object" crap. If u didn't see a gun u better articulate your case better because more facts will be needed to support your case. People are too vague and think that will be fine for court. The more
Details, more Information The better your case will be. Stop Writing your paper like you're scared of getting a conviction. There is nothing wrong with articulating as much as you can weather you think it's needed or not.
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What is wrong with just telling the truth in your report? It is very hard to identify an object that is being thrown as anything specific in that split second it is in sight. Cops telling the truth in their reports is the way it is supposed to be, and even if the truth does not help a criminal case, I for one think that in the end the truth is better than getting a conviction would be by spiffying up a report.
not a cop
O.T....I'm not a cop but I'm in the Laborers Pension plan
Question: Fran "Rham's ball licker" Spielman points out that the Mayor is raising taxes by $588 million to "fund police and fire pensions" does this mean that amount will be instantly be transferred to those pension funds after being collected? 1/3 of that amount also going to build new schools.Aside from laying off 73 311 operators what other cuts are being made to the bloated budget, I haven't seen any.9th ward aldercreature Beale points out the "garbage collection fee" will not work in his ward,no doubt because his residents want EVERYTHING for free.It has been pointed out that the City needs 3 people per garbage truck..suburbs use 1, the difference is, suburb residents bring the carts to the curb. Why can't city residents do the same? To me this is a shell game as usual, the taxes will be raised and the pension funds will still be woefully underfunded through no fault of the employees or retirees.
Its our fault as usual! Not the fault of a corrupt cook county judicial system, not the fault of cook county board president Toni who feels its "racist" to arrest black and brown felons, "To many black and brown in jail" right Toni? Criminals are criminals no matter the color, cook county has many felons that are black and brown (sorry toni to bust your lying bubble), they deserve nothing better than a long prison sentence for their crimes against innocent people! Wake up people the problem is the elected who cannot grasp the criminal mindset, oh yeah its great to be toni, or rahm with a contingent of fully armed police bodyguards driving them around in beautiful police equipped tahoes and other large tanks! If your "protected" like this your not affected by the "black and brown" or for that matter any criminals as your in the bubble, and are above the taxpaying peasants who deserve police protection of the highest order, and taxpayers deserve felons to be put away a long time that is "change we can believe in!"
People wonder why Donald Trump is so far ahead in running for president and will take the office in January 2017, he is pro-taxpayer, pro-military, pro-police and says what innocent people think tired of the same old liberal thinking, same old droning talk!
Many of my uuw cases never make it past felony review. Most Asa dont understand the definition of possession in the Ilcs. Keep in mind I am to stupid to talk to Asa by myself. Only a detective can in these u u w cases I guess the city doesn't reconginize my law degree.
Sorry off topic:
The Age 55 free health insurance arbitration was settled Friday for Sergeants and above.
Here are 2 facts from the email:
The award regarding our payment for health care upon retirement was issued late last Friday afternoon. Arbitrator Nielsen agreed with our union and issued a remedy that stated the city will:
1. Cease and desist from collecting contributions from supervisors retiring under the "Age 55 benefit" within 30 months following the date of ratification of the current CBA for the relevant bargaining unit.
2. Make whole those supervisors who have been charged for health care contributions by repaying those portions of their retirement annuities that have been deducted.
Question:
So what exactly does the "30 month" factor mean above?
30 months from 16 October 2015 with would then take the free age 55 insurance to 16 April 2018 ???
VRI = fetal.
(OT) looks like next President Donald Trump is hosting Saturday night live 07Nov but the democratic machine is not happy, it was ok for Hillary to do the show but not Trump! They say "liberalism is a mental disorder" it sure seems to be true! At least Trump supports law and order and laws already on the books like he supports our military wants to expand it not gut it like Democratic Party is doing!
As a detective handling these UUW cases as of late, I can honestly tell you that more cases than I'd like to admit are full of bad paperwork, questionable police work, civil rights violations, and downright illegal tactics. This shit might have flown 20 or even 15 years ago, but today you're going to get sued and/or imprisoned. There's cameras everywhere and we don't have any friends left. A lot of officers really need training on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and what constitutes a lawful warrantless search.
10/19/2015 07:30:00 AM
I have to call bullshit on this one. I am sure that the experienced old Watch Commanders read over those arrest reports and advice the young officers on how to properly fill out those reports with an eye out for civil rights violations and such.
What's that?! No more Watch Commanders? Just the Sergeant of the day? No continuity or single leader??? What idiot thought that was a good idea?
...and to the idiot that watches too much TV and is absolutely SURE coppers are planting guns: you are also a dolt. I hope you watch a lot of medical shows and take care of your own medical needs.
"Stay Fetal My Friends" ??? Funniest tag line of the month. I wish I were younger and better with the computer and Photoshop. I'd have a ball with this.
10:15am, no you didn't.
Anonymous said...
As a detective handling these UUW cases as of late, I can honestly tell you that more cases than I'd like to admit are full of bad paperwork, questionable police work, civil rights violations, and downright illegal tactics. This shit might have flown 20 or even 15 years ago, but today you're going to get sued and/or imprisoned. There's cameras everywhere and we don't have any friends left. A lot of officers really need training on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and what constitutes a lawful warrantless search.
10/19/2015 07:30:00 AM
Training has the lowest priority with Mccarthy. Look who is in charge of the academy? McCarthy and his command staff ignore training and assume everyone knows the proper procedures. Young officers who have the very minimal training after the academy really need follow up training with paperwork and the law. They were lucky to have a working FTO then 6 months in a impact zone doing nothing. In the last 4 years, young officers sat in a hot zone then assigned to a district and have problems writing a case report.
Start putting the Sgt LT and commanders in box 2. That will stop the bullshit
We are just plain not doing the job that we are do. We need to be more aggressive, within the rules, and work harder. Well said Gary
The next politician to take the blame for failing their constituancy will be the first.
hey dude in research and development at HQ.............. save us your sergeant stories and how close you are on the list. No one cares. Can you possibly stop kissing every bosses ass at HQ. Its sickening to watch . do us all a favor and stfu..........
Anonymous said...
As a detective handling these UUW cases as of late, I can honestly tell you that more cases than I'd like to admit are full of bad paperwork, questionable police work, civil rights violations, and downright illegal tactics. This shit might have flown 20 or even 15 years ago, but today you're going to get sued and/or imprisoned. There's cameras everywhere and we don't have any friends left. A lot of officers really need training on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and what constitutes a lawful warrantless search.
10/19/2015 07:30:00 AM
Thank you for saying what needed to be said. Do your job strictly by the letter of the law. If you cut corners then you are a fucking idiot and you get exactly what you deserve. I get a lot of shit from the aggressive officers because in my 12 years I have only recovered 4 firearms. But my actions were right 1000%. Can they say the same thing?
cook county has to be the worst place for anything. or should I say CROOK county
Why feed a layer when you can starve one.
Gun in the car? Found property.
0:730 PM I believe you are a troll! With barely a High School Diploma, I never had a gun case thrown out!
These " College Educated " Officers obviously never found the Middle ground between Self Preservation( hanging on to your
Job and Family) and securing a conviction!
Be careful Guys and Girls, detail the facts of your arrest and DO Not deviate from the original paperwork under testimony!
Old Retired Guy
As a detective handling these UUW cases as of late, I can honestly tell you that more cases than I'd like to admit are full of bad paperwork, questionable police work, civil rights violations, and downright illegal tactics. This shit might have flown 20 or even 15 years ago, but today you're going to get sued and/or imprisoned. There's cameras everywhere and we don't have any friends left. A lot of officers really need training on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and what constitutes a lawful warrantless search.
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Agree 100 percent. Have seen this problem getting worse over the years. Adding to this problem is that the supervisors are more stupid than the officers, mainly because they are all merit promotions. These bosses continually give bad, incorrect, and illegal direction to the officers, so the officers have no one knowledgeable nor trustworthy to learn from. Plus the instructors in the academy are inexperienced, and this problem begins there. As we all know, most working policemen do not want to teach policing in a classroom, because they want to remain working and policing the streets. A suggestion to this department is to hire retired cpd as academy instructors.
mous said...
As a detective handling these UUW cases as of late, I can honestly tell you that more cases than I'd like to admit are full of bad paperwork, questionable police work, civil rights violations, and downright illegal tactics. This shit might have flown 20 or even 15 years ago, but today you're going to get sued and/or imprisoned. There's cameras everywhere and we don't have any friends left. A lot of officers really need training on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and what constitutes a lawful warrantless search.
10/19/2015 07:30:00 AM
I agree but it doesn't just stop with uuw arrest, it's report writing in general. I don't entirely blame the P.O. as much as I blame the sergeants for approving that crap. There is no way in hell the sergeants are reading some of these reports, they are just approving them. I am not talking about spelling or grammar, I am talking about understanding what the hell happened by reading the narrative. Most reports are left incomplete. I have talked to district sergeants, lieutenants and commanders about this, it goes in one ear out the other. But that's ok, over the last several months I have been saving a file of reports that are so horribly written and incomplete that have been approved by a sergeant, I plan on providing that file to the chief of patrol. Now it's not all sergeants but more than there should be, you wanted to be a supervisor, now act like it and take pride in your work. You have been warned don't be one of those sergeants who consistently approve shitty reports because you may have to answer to the chief of patrol in the near future.
Rahm is attempting to stir the pot and play on our Culture to try and get off cheap. Fuck him and the monster he created in the White House. They are trying to put the genie in the bottle they shattered.
OT, but any truth to the rumor that area 3 found the body of the kid from Garfield Park lagoon today? Lots of detectives and the crime lab in 011 this afternoon.
So, which is it?"
Heh...
The joyful haters led by Sparkle-Farts,his North Shore Shit-Ass
henchman and the media can't make up their minds so we'll phrase it
in a manner which they're accustomed to...
"Basically more or less,
it's either one and or the other."
It's more of that bullshit Great-Gran'daddy told y'all about...
Right?
Police like you have no friends.
Return home to your families and loved ones
safely, soundly and fuck whoever has a problem
with that being a priority.
And since the joyful haters don't want Policemen
to be safe, Policemen should oblige by being even
more dangerous than the BEE-AY-DEE motherfuckers
they have to rub up against on a daily basis.
Heh...
The gun-banging, willfully ignorant, death worshipping urban
predator strides this city like free and natural men of purpose.
The Policeman is made to avert his eyes and have church under
a bushel basket...
"Hey Cop! Who do you think you are?
Avert your gaze and stop bein' all proud an'
Manly an' shit!"
Since The Police are the enemy,
guess who you're going to be compelled
to take as friends?
Viva Hate...
Right?
Chicago is broke ? $250K for gun buy back ?
Where did money come from ?
CAPS slush fund , money budgeted for block parties .
Real estate taxes going up , garbage pick up fees And yes Joe citizen
Chicago has dollars left over , not from extra patrols but block parties .
This is a new one .
Anonymous said...
Cook County is inept by design.
10/19/2015 10:52:00 AM
I think the more appropriate word is "corrupt".
Cook county is corrupt by design.
Anonymous said...
OT, but any truth to the rumor that area 3 found the body of the kid from Garfield Park lagoon today? Lots of detectives and the crime lab in 011 this afternoon.
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Nope, but wonder of wonders, they located a completely different chopped up body, Just the legs so far. stay tuned!
You have been warned don't be one of those sergeants who consistently approve shitty reports because you may have to answer to the chief of patrol in the near future.
First take the chief of patrol's ball bag out of your mouth while you type. Second be a grown up and inform the sergeants of their mistakes and not by ratting them out to the chief like a little snitch bitch. Suck harder, maybe you'll get that merit bump someday.
Anonymous said...
As a detective handling these UUW cases as of late, I can honestly tell you that more cases than I'd like to admit are full of bad paperwork, questionable police work, civil rights violations, and downright illegal tactics. This shit might have flown 20 or even 15 years ago, but today you're going to get sued and/or imprisoned. There's cameras everywhere and we don't have any friends left. A lot of officers really need training on reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and what constitutes a lawful warrantless search.
10/19/2015 07:30:00 AM
You must be an ACLU plant. Detective my ass. No detective would be dumb enough to put those comments on a public blog, you must be the ACLU or a merit hack.
Rahm is going to say to the general public--- do these cop deserve a pension with the job they are doing, I think not..... This message I already ask Rahm via a certified letter.. It is coming my guys
What is wrong with just telling the truth in your report? It is very hard to identify an object that is being thrown as anything specific in that split second it is in sight. Cops telling the truth in their reports is the way it is supposed to be, and even if the truth does not help a criminal case, I for one think that in the end the truth is better than getting a conviction would be by spiffying up a report.
not a cop
10/19/2015 01:45:00 PM
There's nothing wrong with telling the truth in your reports but the point is you can't be arresting and charging people with possession of a handgun when all you saw them throw is a "shiny object", he doesn't admit to having thrown a handgun, and you have no witnesses or video footage. In other words, you actually need evidence that a crime was committed to arrest people and charge them with a crime.
The newest threat is P.O's will be sent to compstat to explain what happened in boxes. "Why did that guy get shot in your box?" I don't know sir, I'm stuck between piss poor strategy & or the inability to deploy man power correctly. You tell me
I agree but it doesn't just stop with uuw arrest, it's report writing in general. I don't entirely blame the P.O. as much as I blame the sergeants for approving that crap. There is no way in hell the sergeants are reading some of these reports, they are just approving them. I am not talking about spelling or grammar, I am talking about understanding what the hell happened by reading the narrative. Most reports are left incomplete. I have talked to district sergeants, lieutenants and commanders about this, it goes in one ear out the other. But that's ok, over the last several months I have been saving a file of reports that are so horribly written and incomplete that have been approved by a sergeant, I plan on providing that file to the chief of patrol. Now it's not all sergeants but more than there should be, you wanted to be a supervisor, now act like it and take pride in your work. You have been warned don't be one of those sergeants who consistently approve shitty reports because you may have to answer to the chief of patrol in the near future.
10/19/2015 09:39:00 PM
You have too much free time and need to get a life
Anonymous Anonymous said...
in general, report writing skills are lacking amongst the majority of the cpd. Less is NOT more when it comes to writing a report. The story must be told from beginning to end, in detail. Especially in today's world of policing. If it's not in your report, it didn't happen. Granted the ASA may work out a plea deal, or a corrupt or moronic judge may find the bad guy not guilty. It's more important to cover yourself with a detailed factual report.
10/19/2015 12:54:00 AM
In the past I, like a lot of coppers, worked with new people due to the lack of FTOs. It amazed me that almost all of them said that they leave the narrative vague, so the follow up detectives can tell the full narrative themselves! In most cases it would be a good idea because they really needed a clue to understand what they were expected to do. One time a recruit tells me that he doesn't do traffic stops because he doesn't do court! They are probably taking the FTO test about now too.
Anonymous said...
"I Saw the defendant throw a shiney object into the grass and continued pursuing him. Went back to the same area and found a handgun. No statements etc... Not guilty every time. Guys and the "shiney object" crap. If u didn't see a gun u better articulate your case better because more facts will be needed to support your case. People are too vague and think that will be fine for court. The more
Details, more Information The better your case will be. Stop Writing your paper like you're scared of getting a conviction. There is nothing wrong with articulating as much as you can weather you think it's needed or not.
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What is wrong with just telling the truth in your report? It is very hard to identify an object that is being thrown as anything specific in that split second it is in sight. Cops telling the truth in their reports is the way it is supposed to be, and even if the truth does not help a criminal case, I for one think that in the end the truth is better than getting a conviction would be by spiffying up a report.
not a cop
10/19/2015 01:45:00 PM
Hey not a cop. Merely "Telling the truth" is not enough. You have to be descriptive and articulate your very thoughts, observations, emotions and suspicions like you were writing a Stephen King thriller. When you see a case thrown out where the guy admits what he did, is on still video images, signs a confession and is caught in the act and the county wants to throws it out completely and he doesn't even have a lawyer...you will understand. It's more than just telling the truth. You think "spiffying up" a report means lying but it doesn't. It really boils down to being more descriptive and setting the context as best as you remember it. You say "even if the truth does not help a criminal case" pretty lightly. Watch the ASAs or us tell that to our victims and their families and see how hysterical that makes them. Until you really see people who you know are 110% guilty get off with charges, even shocking them, you won't quite get it.
"Stay Fetal My Friends"......funny indeed; someone with computer skills should impose that slogan over the picture of the guy who does the "most interesting man in the world" commercials....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Chicago is broke ? $250K for gun buy back ?
Where did money come from ?
CAPS slush fund , money budgeted for block parties .
Real estate taxes going up , garbage pick up fees And yes Joe citizen
Chicago has dollars left over , not from extra patrols but block parties .
This is a new one .
10/19/2015 11:04:00 PM
How can all the extra cash be found, but yet they the politicians scream "we are broke!" Guess we are really flush with cash, is this why bruce rauner is holding the state hostage by not passing a budget, even though he made a 55 Million profit last year?
You must be an ACLU plant. Detective my ass. No detective would be dumb enough to put those comments on a public blog, you must be the ACLU or a merit hack.
10/20/2015 01:15:00 AM
You must be one of those officers that writes the bad paper and makes the crap arrests that the ASA'S laugh at when I call them in. Sorry buddy, but I am a detective and I'm not merit. What's wrong with pointing out the obvious on a public blog dummy? Don't write crap paper and violate people's constitutional rights and you won't have anything to worry about.
First take the chief of patrol's ball bag out of your mouth while you type. Second be a grown up and inform the sergeants of their mistakes and not by ratting them out to the chief like a little snitch bitch. Suck harder, maybe you'll get that merit bump someday.
10/20/2015 01:14:00 AM
You must be one of those sergeants. It sounds like you've done enough sucking for everyone already Mr. Merit hack.
I just finished a fecal position. It wasa good one.
What is wrong with just telling the truth in your report? It is very hard to identify an object that is being thrown as anything specific in that split second it is in sight. Cops telling the truth in their reports is the way it is supposed to be, and even if the truth does not help a criminal case, I for one think that in the end the truth is better than getting a conviction would be by spiffying up a report.
not a cop
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So here's another good example of crook county. Got a sex offender, failure to register. They have the signed 'hard card' so should be a slam dunk - he knew. Background - stops seeing his parole officer, loses his job, kind of falls off the face of the earth. Back in front of THE SAME JUDGE that convicted him the first time. You'd think the judge would have a hard on for this guy. Get to court - bench trial - state's attorney comes in and tells me - "Gotta put you on the stand officer, you did nothing wrong, - but we're losing this case". Fix was already in - SA knew upfront before trial began. "Spiffy" makes no difference.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The newest threat is P.O's will be sent to compstat to explain what happened in boxes. "Why did that guy get shot in your box?" I don't know sir, I'm stuck between piss poor strategy & or the inability to deploy man power correctly. You tell me
10/20/2015 06:54:00 AM
Afraid of being held accountable for your actions (or inactions as the case may be) Man up beotch!
Maybe the special mission teams that dont have to do police work can start locking bad guys up.
It is time....for America to open and expand its prisons....by ten fold, if necessary.......observations:
a) yes, it costs a lot of money to operate and maintain prisons (maybe use Guantanamo to house many of the most violet thugs)
b) when the animals are locked up, they cannot do harm on innocent civilians
c) increase and enforce mandatory prison time for violent crimes
d) increase and enforce illegal immigrant policies ("Kate's Law")
e) consider this (to the liberal mush for brains)....if the animal attacks or kills a member of your family.......what would you do, what would you think....why didn't the American political structure act to protect you (the American citizen) It is not enough to cry......"gun control!"
Wake the fuck up, look around, see what is around you.....
is it enough for you, for your family, to stand around your casket, after you have been murdered by some thug, to say....well, he/she was a nice person, who cared about everyone.....and doesn't he/she look nice in the casket?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The newest threat is P.O's will be sent to compstat to explain what happened in boxes. "Why did that guy get shot in your box?" I don't know sir, I'm stuck between piss poor strategy & or the inability to deploy man power correctly. You tell me
10/20/2015 06:54:00 AM
Afraid of being held accountable for your actions (or inactions as the case may be) Man up beotch!
Bring it on. I'd love to get a chance on the hot seat.
"Gee, sir. Between the lack of manpower and your inept strategies, there is no way to be everywhere at once. And, oh yeah, I'm a bid on my watch, am not clouted, nor am I on any promotional list. I also don't want to work tact. Did I mention the morale issue? And I'm not violating someone's civil rights because you want "more contact cards". Have a good day.". And you have to make the "air quotes" hand gesture when talking about more contact cards. Lol
Garr, you suck. You just need to be told so.
While he was in high school, Emanuel cut his finger on a meat slicer while working at an Arby's restaurant. He delayed getting medical attention so that he could go to his prom, but the injury became infected and he nearly died. Emanuel recovered but is now missing half of the middle finger on his right hand.
Afraid of being held accountable for your actions (or inactions as the case may be) Man up beotch!
10/20/2015 09:47:00 PM
You got the wrong one tough guy! I do what the general orders require. So you can place your head back in the sup's lap or some bosses ass! Read the orders pussy!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
While he was in high school, Emanuel cut his finger on a meat slicer while working at an Arby's restaurant. He delayed getting medical attention so that he could go to his prom, but the injury became infected and he nearly died. Emanuel recovered but is now missing half of the middle finger on his right hand.
10/21/2015 03:05:00 AM
So what?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The newest threat is P.O's will be sent to compstat to explain what happened in boxes. "Why did that guy get shot in your box?" I don't know sir, I'm stuck between piss poor strategy & or the inability to deploy man power correctly. You tell me
10/20/2015 06:54:00 AM
really! OK I'm in what type of donuts today? are they fresh? Will the teachers yell at me? Oh Boy now that would be fun!!
Afraid of being held accountable for your actions ( or inactions as the
case may be) Man up beotch!
10/20/2015 00:47:00 PM
Good GAWD!
Which one of you up-your-own-ass exempt carpetbaggers posted
this pissy pussy, mean-girls nonsense?
Uh... Never mind.
It ain't worth knowing.
Policemen are more than accountable from the moment they
swear the oath of office until the day they take their last breath...
If you were any kind of Policeman of any kind of repute,
you would know that.
Oh my. A chief named Fabio. Is he Fabulous?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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