Media Fans the Flames
Evidently, the shit isn't hitting the fan hard enough, so certain media outlets have started to.....get this.....lie to advance their agenda. Here's CNN:
Yes, that was CNN saying that Chicago Police shot this guy for "jaywalking." No mention of the burglary to auto calls, nothing about the PCP influenced behavior, not even a mention of the knife. Just shot for jaywalking. Amazing, right?
And assorted columnists aren't any better. Here's Mope-rah (no link for this turd):
And assorted columnists aren't any better. Here's Mope-rah (no link for this turd):
- You can’t look at the video of a Chicago police officer’s shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald and hold onto any illusion that black people are exaggerating police brutality.
Can we point out that the black community's selective outrage and gullibility believing the media narrative remains as strong as ever?
- It doesn’t matter what side of Chicago you hail from, there’s no way to understand why a white Chicago police officer would stand over the sprawled body of this young black male, and empty his weapon.
Um....didn't happen. Not even close.
- The puffs of smoke wafting from McDonald’s body broke me down.
It isn't smoke Mopey. Smoke would imply that something in the human body was bursting into flame or that incendiary rounds were being used. Try to be less inaccurate.
- And in what could be described as the ultimate display of disrespect for this life, an officer kicks the small knife out of the teen’s still hand.
He doesn’t bend down to take it.
He kicks it.
Um, yeah. Unless you want to leave work with less fingers than you started with, you don't ever reach for a knife. Ever. That's just smart, unlike Mope-rah.
There's plenty to view in the video and plenty for sane people to discuss at length. No death is going to look pretty, and we've seen plenty of death, mostly at the hands of Mope-rah's "community." And the victims have been from Mope-rah's "community," too, come to think of it.
Stay safe, stay calm.
There's plenty to view in the video and plenty for sane people to discuss at length. No death is going to look pretty, and we've seen plenty of death, mostly at the hands of Mope-rah's "community." And the victims have been from Mope-rah's "community," too, come to think of it.
Stay safe, stay calm.
Labels: media
posted by SCC at 2:07 AM
234 Comments:
Whats upsetting is the clashes with protesters in downtown or south loop, don't you da!m fools realize that they don't want cops there open your damm eyes...
Can we start with the obvious?
How about an Officer's MUG SHOT
and the kid who's high on PCP with a Rap Sheet's obligatory photo in a Graduation Cap & gown...
No, absolutely ZERO bias there.
Fucking useless media hacks!
I also love the "Murdered by Chicago Police" nit-wits and their banner.
But I guess it's easier toting that around than the rather large "Blacks murdered by Blacks" banner.
Something just occurred to me. With the recent number of top exempts who retired is it possible that they were smarter than I thought? Got the hell out of Dodge and let McStreetlight take the heat.
Wouldn't surprise me if some of them end up as Chief of Police somewhere else.
A Pennsylvania state trooper was shot today at the hands of a black male.
Come to think of it, how many black males have been killed by white LEOs in Illinois this year? And how many white LEO's have been killed by black males in Illinois this year?
Where is their protest? Where is the outrage for them? Where are the cries for black males to stop killing white cops? Even worse, quite a few of those individuals then hype such actions in their lyrics and in "art".
Where is the outcry for black males to stop this epidemic of violence?
Why no mention of him attacking the first car on scene? He went at the windshield and then tried to take out the tires. There has to be dashcam footage of that.
I Don't care about any of that.
The video was bad, but The north side is not in flames. The west side is not in flames. The south side is not in flames. Downtown is not in flames. From what I can tell, no one is injured at protests from college kids and the media did not get the riots they were hoping for. The Bulls won & The Bears will win their next game.
'Tis all I care about. 'Tis all I'm gathering from this.
Two words: Tueller Drill
He will be exonerated.
Again with the cap and gown. Are you fucking kidding me. Yeah the media has no agenda. When exactly was this picture taken? Before or after he became a ward of the state, his "family" hasn't see him for 10 years but gets a 5 million dollar check for winning the supreme ghetto lottery. Dispose of your kid but still get paid. Ain't that some shit. This black agenda is out of control. Fuck them, let them have illinois, I'm going to Texas.
Please say a prayer for Officer Van Dyke and his family during this time of great difficulty. Prayer does work. When you pray from the heart it is heard.
It is what it is, but would it kill you, to wear a suit and tie, instead of wearing the working on the dock clothing for national t.v.
Lord have mercy on our CHICAGO POLICE - Protect them - keep them safe from ALL EVIL
"Why did it take so long to release the tape?"
Because Rahm Emanuel is a craven chickenshit who
ordered the video suppressed so that "the community"
wouldn't be angered and bounce him out of City Hall
onto his narrow ass in favor of the other guy.
Rahm had a plan.
Keeping the public outrage hotted-up against
The Police seems to work and work very well...
What struck me from the very beginning was the graduation photo being used and no mention of ANY of the known facts from that evening . Even the video clips that they are editing , any sane person is wondering how did this now deceased person end up walking down the middle of the street ?
Hey here is a thought , how about a time line and the events of the night in order so us simpletons can understand what happened , not the new "normal" of a 15-20 second video clip followed by and explanation of everything else form the biased media
The video was SO-SO...
My jaw didnt drop and the regular folks i watched it with said he had a knife why did n't he drop it.
The medias narrative is very dramatic and hardly mention PCP or the thugs lovely rap sheet.
Once again over charging by the states attorney to get the officer to plea bargain that is why NO bail was requested.
Jesse Jackson begging for New States attorney, he forget that an election is months away?
Other good asking for Garry to be fired I wonder who they want as SUPE?
FYI be aware of what you say on witness statement when an officers life is at stakes many of you are extremely lacks on your statements.
HUHs and I was not looking don't cut it.
Anyone set an over / under on how many times the phrase, "at the end of the day" would be used?
Truth be told, I've seen lots of stuff on 'World star Hip Hop' that wrenched my gut more than ANYTHING I saw on this dashcam video.
Absolutely though, the media is trying to turn Chicago into Baltimore.
I'm retired, but from what I've seen so far, (and I have to assume the media is airing the worst footage they have), they are falling FAR short. Either the CPD is handling it better, or the Chicago protesters just don't have the stomach for this stuff.
I do not want to pass judgement on this officer since I do not walk in his shoes, but does it seem to anyone else that the delay of investigation, delay of indictment and the rush to dump video show how the politics of this matter controlled the criminal investigation.
All of this happened when Furgeson and Baltimore was fresh. And the City and Police decided to hide this all while turning it over to States Attorney. Who sounds like she wanted to wait to see if Feds would bring charges against officer.
To me and others it seems that the incident was a police shooting but the cover up is now the reaseon for the outrage not the shooting. I am white and 29 years on the job and agree that Mc Cartthy and staff are accountable just like Cline was with Abbate
And Alverez should be voted out for using this incident as a stepping stone for re election.
Think about it if this all was disclosed at the time it happened. Would we have protestes yes,
but there would be no hiding of the matter.
Can the city sue?
Thank you for your service. We are the majority & are made up of all creeds & colors. We only meet you as victims of brutes or at little league games (etc). You are our dedicated community & church leaders. We believe that the majority of LEOs are brave & honorable men & women who deserve our support & trust.
Be safe out there.
NAC
Mop rah is so delusional. Funny that on WGN news this morning, they asked some community agitator what he would do differently with the police department in this situation. He rattled off the same socialist rhetoric of empowering the community and giving more money and jobs. No specifics, however. Because they have no answers as to how to stop a PCP drugged man from running around the community with a knife slashing tires. Would they just follow him into a crowd and not touch him?
I'm not saying that the situation couldn't have been handled differently, but a PCP drugged thug ten feet away with a knife could be on an officer in less than a second. And that "small knife" that the media is attempting to agitate with, well, they seem to forget that a small box cutter can kill you like it did the passengers and crew on the planes on 9-11. Maybe they can show us how to take a small knife away from a PCP drugged thug without getting hurt or killed. I would love to see that demonstration aired on CNN.
Can someone higher up in the Catholic Church finally put this Fr Faker fool in his place. Give him a parish in Nothern Alaska. His 15 minutes were up a long time ago. For all the years of his antics - he has accomplished zero. His "community" remains one of the most violent in this city, if not the entire country. Instead of taking this incident and using it to deal with his owne issue of violence in general - he marches downtown and encourages people to interrupt holiday shopping? Why march in your OWN community to not only protest his views on this incident, but also the day to day killings by young black youth against each other and other innocent victims of gang violence. Probably because half of the folks who showed up downtown wouldn't go anywhere near his community. If I own a business downtown and lose holiday revenue - I'd figure out the lost revenue and sue St. Sabina for the difference.
There is a strategy to mis inform the public with the presentation of factually incorrect information. We should not be surprised for such behavior is how the various kinds of media can exert control over thinking and behavior of those consuming the information provided. You are taught and learn this in journalism school during the instruction of the 100 level courses at most colleges. You as a journalist can actually motivate people with incorrect facts and information and it can be accomplished with almost impunity; without any kind of responsibility. Another thing that is taught is if it bleeds it leads. So what is the surprise? Do you think you are dealing with reputable people when you trust your confidence to journalists and the media in general? Get with it gang. Carol Marin and Mary Mopely and the sinister Sneedster are not reputable people in my opinion. They are grocery girls for the produce managers who set the agenda. Once of the best examples yesterday was WBBM advising with fanfare they have the video and will post it on their website once they review it and certify it suitable and meeting their journalistic standards and is appropriate for broadcast. What? Those assholes are censoring the news and altering the facts. You either put in on in its entirety without edit or you choose to not post it. I knew if I wanted to get the story I would have to web search multiple sources and figure out the story for myself. Why would anyone be surprised the "Media Fans the Flames"?
So sick of seeing him in the cap and gown so they can play the "honor student" card too. Here's a fact that is not mentioned. If he wasn't high on PCP and committing felonies, he would still be alive!
This is a hard one to defend
Come on SCC no police officer, I will repeat no police officer has ever been trained to Shoot a offender while they are laying on the ground. I can see why it is bothersome to ppl it's bothersome to me. I don't believe the situation is racially motivated I believe the officer made a poor decision.
Heard this shit show press conference with rahm and gary on wbbm radio the other night. one reporter talks about the 300 police involved shootings over the past 5 years, implying a problem with police use of deadly force. Meanwhile, this year alone black on black shootings are over 300 -- where is the real problem again??? And no mention of the two black savages that burglarized a white woman's home in Indianapolis and executed her in front of her 1 yr old child. No protest there, no media coverage, no outrage -- just more excuses for criminal behavior.
I don't know, video doesn't look so bad...he's got a knife, he's heading away from the scene to do God knows what kind of mayhem...no audio, so I don't know what kind of comments copper made. Hopefully he's the one who called for the bambulance....because someone should have.
The media lives for action. They want riotous action to film. It gives them more viewers.
boycott giving the catholic church any money in the collection box til pfleger is gone,text this message to all your friends
There will be no Baltimore in Chicago. Isolated pockets of violence. Ministers and activists will control the protests. As a result McCarthy will be fired and a Rahm will support a black states attiorney replacing Alvarez.
I liked this one from Mitchell --
"I don’t believe that the majority of Chicago police officers are so untrained, so scared, so uncaring that they would have to shoot a 17-year-old who is armed with a folding knife."
Yeah, well, there are a lot of chronic malcontents on the department who haven't come to accept the idea of sitting on the cement, watching their insides spill out into their lap.
Why wait until after elections to release the video? Why lie on the initial report, who deleted 86 minutes of security footage?
observations:
the liberal mainstream media will never let the facts get in the way of a story and their agenda
so the officer shot the guy.....so what? their family hit the ghetto lottery to the tune of 5 mil....
unfortunately, the officer will face a trial....the Democratic liberals are pandering to the lowest class that feeds off of the government handouts (and votes Democratic)
will the 5 mil make that family more responsible, more contributing to society, or......buy a fancy car, spend money on some dumb shit that means nothing...
at the end of the day...this kid's death means nothing, absolutely nothing, to the rest of society......and life goes on
This kid was a ward of the state, so why did the family profit. No mention of that with the release of the tape. And we have one more situation where the mayor looks like a pathetic puppy. The people of Chicago want some leadership with a set of balls. This should have been handled long before yesterday, save the bs rhetoric. This is so not about black and white, it is about right and wrong. All parties in this situation where/ are wrong.
Nothing will ever change in this department. Last night we still had officers make pimpy stops and pimpy arrests- obstructing of traffic by a non motorist and selling loose cigarattes. Keep making such arrests, you are the working police!
Love your blog, but who is Mope-rah?
Police are the scapegoats of society..
Yea, that is amazing. Jaywalking? CNN is lying and inciting violence.
Their broadcast license ought to be revolked.
The kid was hopped up brandishing a knife and walking in the middle of the street that's not jaywalking.
That's a public endangerment.
The shooting itself is complicated. Complicated in the sense the woulda coulda shoulda is easy when you're the one not in the heat of the moment.
That being said, it evidently may have been avoided, most importantly, had McDonald dropped the knife, followed the instructions of the police and not have acted so erratic in the course of events -- especially -- for example, when he started hopping and pirouetting around and turning toward Van Dyke while raising the knife during the seconds before the shooting.
In a perfect world, Van Dyke should have not been moving close enough to McDonald putting McDonald and Van Dyke in that 21 foot zone.
The other officer seemed to be proceeding so that he didn't get too close to McDonald and kept a distance protecting himself from an eminent threat. McDonald would have had to make a big aggressive and obvious move toward that officer.
JMHO
Bottom line the way I see it, none of this would have happened had McDonald not been brandishing a knife and had he followed the instructions of the police. If I were on the Jury, I would find Van Dyke, not guilty.
What the media is doing, CNN especially, is despicable. They are agitating the black community to find room to destroy.
-Citizen
Shot for "Jaywalking"....CNN? Really?? Un-fucking-believable.
But I do have a question (rhetorical) for the LameStreamMedia and all these protesters (none of whom will miss work today): .......
---- What about the KNIFE, and how this **Ex Honor Student and Church Choir Member**(/s), Laquan McDonald, who was stoned on PCP, was Slicing Tires, attacking Police Cars, and doing a bunch of other illegal shit? Those teeny FACTS seem to have been omitted from all the reporting now. The media(s) narrative now IS like he was shot for jaywalking. ----
And the sad part is that a bunch of low-information Libtard Moonbats will believe that crap. I haven't looked yet but I bet the Tribune Comment Sections are full of Left-Wing Anti-Police BULLSHIT! And the sick part is -- those stupid assholes also vote!
Note: I have no opinion one way or the other on the shooting itself as I wasn't there. My default position is to believe that the police were/are right. And that, Trolls, is just how it is. So go fuck yourself.
Keep being proactive, the department has your back.
Channel 9 says that he was just wandering the streets with a knife.
Pfleger agitates for Michigan Avenue to be blocked on Friday --
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151123/downtown/pfleger-tells-flock-block-mag-mile-on-friday-protest-laquan-mcdonald
Tachypsychia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachypsychia
This is just like the Trayvon/Zimmerman case......all hype and BS and then the truth starts to come out.
People are bitching that the cop didn't bend down and grab it? That's how cops get stabbed/shot. Yea kick it out of the way. This whole thing is bullshit all the way around.
CNN sucks. Turned to shit years ago. Need to sensationalize to attract viewers.
Bet all the black lies matter people will be leaving to support this saint Louis rams player shot in the head in Miami:
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/article46386815.html
They were talking about the busloads of professional (Paid who pays these pos?), who are streaming in today, they are saying they would of been here yesterday but the video came out day before expected! Bet the Michigan av "Black Friday" merchants are excited with all the new shoppers flooding this city! Bet the sales will be so great it will be like "free" perfect storm nice weather college skullsfull of mush out for Thanksgiving, agitators here! I just retired was going to stay here, house paid,kids gone, nice area for now, but everything being destroyed due to negligence of democratic leadership is sickening! the T&R team toni & rahm skyrocketing taxes, high crime, police with zero support!
If your a copper and you do anything "extra" your insane, do the job, here's your report 19 Paul should be your words if anymore than paper! Listening on scanner yesterday coppers still chasing dime bags, getting involved in "jungle fights" use jungle laws the biggest animal survives,don't risk your freedom, your families future, your pension, house, bank account! Please no more taking chances, the old ways are over worked the bulls riots around 1995, big difference real police bosses who backed you, but most importantly no cameras and punks selling to media stories to hurt coppers! Every idiot has a camera (Including us), Stop constantly acting like little school girls texting every-time your working, just looking at the phone, head on a swivel protect each other, protect police families the thin blue line is getting thinner may God bless officers everywhere, and a big thank you to the "spirits of the air" who devote countless hours keeping this #1 blog up and running! Happy Thanksgiving!
This video was mentioned this morning on the Bill Handel show on KFI this morning and not in a black lives matter, anti-cop way. Bill Handel is pro cop and well understands the atmosphere a policemen faces today. Heaven help us from politically ambitious DA's.
she's mad he kicked the knife? How can we win when they get mad about kicking a knife?
With everything going on and all of CPD on the national stage. I just want to thank SSC for what you do. You all try to keep us accurately informed and not the type of info 31st n Michigan tries to feed us. Continue to do what you do for us blue shirts. Thanks.
Disturbing, disgusting, and downright nasty news feeds from people only looking for ratings to spew their personal rhetoric for their own agenda. JUST DISGUSTING!!!
So what she's saying is the he still had the knife in his hand, wouldn't drop the knife even after being shot 16 times, that PCP is powerful stuff.
When I first saw the video I thought, man, it's hard to justify this shooting since the perp didn't technically rush the cop. Then I read this and changed my mind.
The Tueller Drill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
What non liberal-piece-of-shit would read Mitchell or watch CNN?
Axe grinding news media coward yellow journalists. Yeah keep using the asshole offender's cap and gown photo, not how he looked in real life. Yeah, he was wearing the cap and gown the night he was gunned down for no reason by police by police, right?
F*ck off media hacks. Same old misdirection from them in the name of the Agenda.
CNN will run this every 15 minutes. Bring out the liberal police haters, and discuss the violent CPD..The reporters will be with every protest, until they incite violence! They put one day into the execution of the 9 year old, and never mentioned baby mama taking the money raised for the burial, and used it for a new car and Vegas. They I, believe brought down Ferguson and Baltimore. Special breed !
It is on American Thinker this morning that Rahm Emmanuel and the city paid the Mcdonald family 5million to keep quiet until after RE's last election.Would like to know what gun holds 16 rounds as the media is claiming?
What! No baby or kindergarten pictures of the bad guy available?
Come on Media, your slacking off.
Get busy and throw some more gasoline on the flames.
Forget CNN, WGN did a real hatchet job on this cop.
Last night, Julie Unruh talked about the complaints (CRs) filed against this guy and spent a lot of time on them and then said they were ALL dismissed (no punishments given). Then, after that, she said - this isn't admissible in court.
SO WHY DID YOU SPEND ALL THAT TIME TARNISHING THIS GUY on TV with CRs that were ALL dismissed??
Talk about trying to stir the pot! Funny, how she never said the kid was hopped up on PCP. (allegedly)
This disgusts me to no end. My heart goes out to all those who put themselves on the line everyday.
And to those who have held back on the job, I do not agree with you - BUT, I can see why your attitude has soured.
You need NEW leadership AND a Mayor who stands by you - or at least says someone is innocent till proven guilty.
Talk about trying to appease a group and hanging someone out to dry. Hopefully, his pretrial, prejudicial comments can be somehow used in the trial.
Not a LEO, JAFO
Congratulations, Anita. You got your white Police Officer.
The media was clearly hoping for a riot and did all they could to incite one. Especially CNN. I guess when summoned to a scene with an armed offender cops should just stand there til the offender gets tired and lays down to sleep off the intoxicant of choice - in this case PCP. It is open season on police officers and you have no backup from the higher ups or politicians who can't throw you under the bus fast enough. Stay safe.
Blame the media? No, this cop was silly. Just plane silly.
$100. To the first person who can tell me how to UNSUBSCRIBE from McCarthy's bullshit Departmental emails.
Please, I beg of you...
A WHOLE other thread.
Does ANYONE believe Rahm when he says he had NOT seen the video as late as FIVE PM yesterday?????????
It defies logic!!!
He signed off on a FIVE MILLION DOLLAR settlement.....he had not seen the video??????
His administration fought its release.........he had not seen the video?????
He met with ministers, a special caucus, and select community "organizers" (future U.S. Presidents maybe.)......he had not seen the video.
Yet The Video shows up on my phone via text message prior to him stating.......he had not seen the video!!!!
I'll tell ya what.....Rahm is a HIDEOUS LIAR.
I am no F. Lee Bailey, but I don't recall First Degree Murder as the right charge to charge this police officer with.
Out of www.Criminal.Findlaw.com - the definition of First Degree Murder in most states is :
....In most states, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.
I don't see how this definition - of willful AND premeditated (planning or "lying in wait" for the victim) applies to what happened.
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES IT THIS WAY???
Second degree murder - could apply? Manslaughter charges could apply - but I don't see how this falls into a First Degree Murder charge?
From FINDLAW, here is definition of Second Degree Murder -
Second Degree Murder: Definition. Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.
I could see a Second Degree Murder charge being used - but what is the State's Attorney's justification for a First Degree Murder charge? It doesn't fit!!
We need to get the politics out of the State's Attorney's Office. And instead of seeking "diversity" for a candidate in an elected office as critical as this one, let's start seeking competency.
Next case.
I've had several people challenge me about the shooting (which they hadn't seen yet), complaining about how he was shot sixteen times. The conversations range from shooting him more than once wasn't 'necessary' to 'you aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back' to 'once you shoot someone, they go down' to 'he was just a KID'.
I've tried to explain that once deadly force is called for, the number of shots is incidental. The point is to stop the threat the person represents.
I've tried to explain how it takes a dozen people to subdue someone on pcp and how a pcp-fueled brain doesn't operate like a normal brain and a pcp-filled body doesn't stop when bullets hit it.
And, I've tried to explain that white officers really don't put on their uniform, kiss the kids goodbye and leave the house with their minds set on killing a black person.
It all falls on deaf ears.
I have to say that you've got love the fact that the idiot that punched the cop at last nites loop protest and was ultimately charged with felony battery was caught because one of his comrades posted the picture of the punch to social media. Also, the three "hardcore" protesters that were arrested early on in the protest turned into feeble little pussies once inside lockup and acted like they had been in a German stalag for ten years when they got out, hugging, crying and reminiscing about their couple hours of pure hell sitting on a cushionless bench with no lattes to be had. Pathetic.
That video was nothing like it was talked up to be. However, the liberally-biased media has to desperately try to exaggerate this event to further push their unAmerican agenda. I support Officer Jason Van Dyke and would like to know how we donate to his fund.
Fucking enablers. Sometimes mes I wish the shit would happen at their doorstep just to hear them scream out like the bitches that they are. Some one in Fop should make a statement. But what am I talking about it is the Fop
Forget about all the media hype, SCC. Bottom line: Do you think this was a justified shooting?
I just want to know how is this a race issue?
It was a thug acting stupid and an Officer made a stupid split second decision!
Black Lives matter, is a new wave terrorist group, just like the "Black Panthers" from the 1960's ala Jesse Jackson!
The nausea I feel from reporters like Zorn pointing fingers is almost too much. I really hate this City and all the lefty pinko hypocrites who occupy it. Something has to give, can the revolution begin already?!
If he gets exonerated then the media will have another chance for the city to burn. It is what it is .
Thank you to ALL Chicago Police Officers-both active and retired-for your years of service protecting the citizens of Chicago. Your dedication, courage and bravery are appreciated. May God bless each and every one of you. You are truly Chicago's Finest! I cannot imagine a more difficult and dangerous job not knowing if you are going home at the end of your shift.
The video was not as horrifying as they have been portraying it to be, but that's because cops witness horror every day, and this was a mild crime scene in comparison. Sorry civilians, what's graphic to your eyes is not graphic to cops eyes.
With that being said, VD is going to end up in the joint for a long time. You can slice it anyway you want with the 21 second knife versus gun rule, or people on pcp are crazed rule, or the kid with the knife was a danger to others rule. One problem is every cop already on the scene radioed in they were waiting for a car with a taser, and VDs only defense can be that he heard they were waiting for a cop with a gun, or that he thought his gun was a taser. Another problem is he and his partner jump out of the car with guns drawn, which is fine, but VD fires his weapon as he may have viewed the kid with a knife as a threat to himself or to others. Yet his partner did not view that scene that way as he didn't shoot. Usually once one cop fires his weapon, it's almost instinct for others to fire theirs, but in this case no one did. Meaning even during a high adrenaline moment, the partner had enough sense to realize this was not a shoot scenario.
The other obvious problem is VD continually shooting the kid on the ground after a 6 second pause. Which also leads to the probable reason the city did not release the audio portion of the video. They don't want anyone to hear that actual pause in between shots fired. Nor do they want the world to hear the verbal instruction VD was giving to the kid. Based on VDs track record, it could be assumed there are some bad words on that audio.
A bigger problem is what oral and written statements did the cops make last year in relation to this incident? The department publicly justified this shooting in the press last year saying the kid with the knife lunged at the police. Now that the Feds are looking into this, many other cops careers could be in jeopardy.
Finally, did any cop of any rank look at this video immediately after the incident? This department as a whole has gotten more immature, incompetent, inexperienced, and stupid over the years, thanks to the implementation of college degrees and merit promotions. Big concerns and big questions.
the city wants in car cameras, they want body cameras and GPS. That is all and good, and im not saying that any type of lying or covering up of shootings is acceptable but if they want all of this technology in a very large and violent city then the city needs to be prepared for issues like this more often. This will only continue with the advancement of technology, increased use of cameras on officers and the ever increasing violence in this city. Instances of police/citizen interactions is at an all time high due to the increased violence and pressure to put hands on people and stop people. The CPD needs a HUGE shift in training. We have absolutly no choice except to start training officers like they State police or suburbs. Everything those guys to is professional and by the book. Yes, they dont have as quick as a lifestyle on the street and many things they do are slow and dragged out but we need that now. The CPD attituide of we do everything half assed and off cuff because we are so busy has got to stop. Traffic stops have to be 100 percent by the book, professionalism has to be there 24/7 even if its speaking to dope dealers, thugs, gang leaders etc. Its hard to be straight line professional when talking to these people because they WANT TO KILL YOU but its time to change. We need to LIMIT our interactions with the public. We need to effectivly do our job by good training and learning to to effectivly police. We need to stop arresting people for petty crap. We need to stop doing street stops just for the sake of getting contact cards. I feel that yes this will result in increased crime, however it will being the police department more towards being legitimate. If crime goes up it cant be on the police anymore, it has to be put on the neighborhoods. We can give them a professional police department that they want but they will have to change themselves to get crime down. can they do it??? More than likely not, but hey that now becomes their problem. Aldermen calling for GMACs resignation which will more than likely result in a pick who is not effective and is only political to appease the masses, the calling for a CITIZEN based investigative department to handle complaints with indictment power and increased pressure on police officers from every angle. FOP, you need to do what was done in New York and in Baltimore... YOU NEED TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY MEETING WITH REPS AND ENDORSE THAT POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS CITY DO THE BARE MINIMUM NOW!!! We are getting raped on all media fronts... even including fox news who commonly supports police departments. They are not just calling for the heads of the city and department but of the heads of all Chicago Police officers! FOP, you need to protect your officers, you need to endorse this measure like in other cities. If you do not it shows you are political hand puppets for the city and department.
Just heard on radio thug fake protesters arrest last night with stun gun and knife and this coward was from California, bet he lives in nice area drinking Starbucks but comes to Chicago to cause mayhem! To bad weaker media doesn't ask punks where they are from? If they are not from here encourage them to act out in englewood let homeboys give them "taste of Chicago!"
Officer is completely justified and should be found innocent
Would people be making a big deal if it was a black officer that shot him 16 times?
The media is doing what they do best, create a story, the bloodier that more violent the better. They get there rocks off watching others misery and if it's not ugly enough, just throw in a cold pot stirring question that gives a different twist.
ILCS 720 5/7-5, for those that care enough to try and reason with this.
It doesn't say retreat when the badguy refuses to comply. Hell I saw the video, it shows a suspect making a bad choice, it also shows me the mindset of folks who think that he has a right to steal or to defy police and arm himself while defying. It shows me that when most people aren't directly a victim, they could give a fuck less whats going on, ( long before this).
I wasn't on-scene so I have just the video to look at and the few who say "this is how it went down". I cant go by anyone else but those right there and I cant say what this officer felt.
But if your like most Ive worked with you have those moments, when your hands are shaking from all the adrenaline, where you take a few deeps breaths and look at your fellow officers and hope there still standing and then say WTF. Unless you've walked in those shoes I think you have to keep an open mind and stop listening to all the hype.
If you really think retreat is the best response, then I don't know how long it'll take, as a nation, to retrain us to do that, specially after years of training not to, even at the cost of your life .
Maybe sit back and think how your going to respond to your neighbors screams for help as their husband or boyfriend beats them with a hammer....because the cops aren't coming cause we dont want them.....think quick you only have seconds till their seriously hurt or killed.... you took too long, game over. But this isnt a game.
Anonymous said...
This kid was a ward of the state, so why did the family profit. No mention of that with the release of the tape. And we have one more situation where the mayor looks like a pathetic puppy. The people of Chicago want some leadership with a set of balls. This should have been handled long before yesterday, save the bs rhetoric. This is so not about black and white, it is about right and wrong. All parties in this situation where/ are wrong.
11/25/2015 08:13:00 AM
True so the state should get the 5 million, its our money hey rahm get back "our money" put it in the pension fund! that would be "change we could believe in!"
1.5 SECONDS TO LIVE
"The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.
"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds.
"A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being charged with murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
All the out of state agitators are flying into O'Hare and using Uber to get into the city. I'm very surprised that hometown boy Obama hasn't given the nation his (guilty) verdict on this case.
Listening to Rush Limbaugh program now 1300 hours, Bill cameron city hall reporter is saying "CPS is sending notes home with all children offering counseling to all "children" that have seen the video of mcdonald, wow! Nothing like making sure all the youts, will be more anti-Police they need counseling?? Did the parents and schools explain if your parents abandoned you, and you use drugs like PCP, carry a knife down the middle of the street, have a police record, break into vehicles,slash a police squads tire,break a police squads windshield, and refuse to listen to police bad things can happen! CPS support the teachers? Yep sure like when then sent protesters to Ferguson!
Note to schools: Please be adults handle the "kids" that is your responsibility, or is it your failures?
The media needs to update us about the suspects in the pregnant preacher's wife out in Indiana. How's that case coming along?
Link to cps note sent home: has a special toolkit how about including "obey the law!!"
http://chicago.suntimes.com/education/7/71/1128602/cps-emails-parents-police-shooting-video
Chicago Public Schools sent a letter home to parents Tuesday saying that the “violent” Laquan McDonald video won’t be shown in schools but that CPS has developed “a special toolkit” for students to help process what they are seeing.
On Tuesday, Chicago Public Schools’ chief education officer wrote to parents to let them know the video would not be shown in schools.
“This footage is sure to raise many emotions among our children, and we want you to know that CPS will do everything possible to meet their needs,” Janice Jackson wrote in letters sent home with students.
“Even so, we know that many students will likely be discussing it and may be upset by its violent content.”
Jackson said CPS created a “special toolkit hat will help teachers talk to students about this incident in a sensitive and constructive way.”
CPS would not immediately describe those tools. As of late Tuesday, teachers and principals said they had not received any.
Later Tuesday, Jackson emailed principals and their bosses to let them know the video would be coming soon and urged them to call the CPS Student Safety Center with questions.
Students are not in school Wednesday and return Monday because of the Thanksgiving holiday.
Jackson also said school counselors would be available to speak with children, too.
“If you have any questions about how this situation will be handled in your child’s school, please contact your principal directly,” Jackson wrote.
The media made a mistake hyping the video when it was released. I expected to see some black kid in his graduation cap and gown with a cop standing over him pumping 16 bullets in him while yelling the n-word. Then when I saw the video there was a crazed black guy drawing a knife walking towards the police, spinning and facing nearby police with the knife still in hand. Gets shot, dies.
Yes, 15 was wrong. But I don't know what was right...1, 2, 5?
The media built up the video and when many people saw it they are thinking "well that wasn't as horrible as expected". The media does not exist to tell the truth. They exist to manufacture news and sell commercials. The good news is most people have stopped watching the news and reading newspapers. The industry is going bankrupt.
"WGN did a real hatchet job on this cop."
I watched about 10 minutes of WGN last night and was disgusted with that crew and turned it off. Then I remember why I haven't watched the TV news in about 10 years.
There was the one male news guy who mentioned that early in his career he spent a day with the cops and ran though some shooting drill in a room with a screen where you have to shoot the bad guys when the appears and not shoot the good guys. He said he often shot the good guys as they came around the corner. The other two on the set basically ignored it and moved on to the cap and gown picture.
The news reporters piling on and embellishing the story (i.e. making sh*t up) almost makes a person want to contribute to the cops defense fund.
Anonymous said...
Come on SCC no police officer, I will repeat no police officer has ever been trained to Shoot a offender while they are laying on the ground. I can see why it is bothersome to ppl it's bothersome to me. I don't believe the situation is racially motivated I believe the officer made a poor decision.
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Well, Mr Dickhead-please show me where any Police Officer was trained NOT to shoot the bad guy while on the ground.
The purpose of the shooting is to eliminate the threat. Not to "wing 'em" as perhaps you would have done! Then again you are simply a armchair judge who thinks he knows better.
The stress that P/O was under went from zero to a million in only seconds.
If you think you can do the job better, CPD has extended application deadline for Police Officers.
Other than that-go read your Wall Street Journal and keep off the blog!
The good news is TV and print news organizations are bleeding money and going bankrupt. The public does not trust the news media. Their unfavorable ratings are approaching the levels of politicians. F 'em all!
Too bad the media won't spend the same amount of effort exposing political corruption. Media is in the pocket of the politicians.
Also, these shooting incidents and riots are happening in cities that have been under democrat control for decades. If the blacks have a problem with the way they are treated, why do they keep voting for the same corrupt morons?? All these riots due is turn people off to any valid claim they may have. Dopes.
What about the WHITE pregnant minsters wife in Indiana raped and murdered by two African American "honor students" Where is the outrage? If the circumstances were opposite (black) Jessie would be out there blaming some.
Charges dropped against asshat that punched cop
Strikes me, the Left may have decided to sacrifice Chicago for the sake of stoking racial division, or at least the perception of it, across the nation over the holidays.
They let this ass off.How can he punch a cop and they drop the charges?
http://media.viafoura.net/chicagotribune.com/viafoura_qqfn6wmhglcwgc8ckgsckscccswcwsw_l.jpg
Charges dropped against aspiring poet accused of striking a cop during Loop protest
"Felony charges were dropped against an aspiring poet with a growing national reputation who had been accused of striking a police officer during a protest in the Loop in the hours after the release of the Laquan McDonald video.
"Malcolm London, 22, of the 4900 block of West Huron in the Austin neighborhood, had been charged with aggravated battery to a police officer, a felony, sparking a social media outcry.
"But the charge was dropped during a brief appearance at a bond hearing Wednesday and he was released to the cheers and applause of dozens of supporters.
"London had faced the most serious charge of those arrested during the demonstration, which lasted for hours and briefly stopped traffic on the Eisenhower Expressway.
"Police said in a statement that London "was identified as striking an on-duty Chicago police officer" in the 100 block of East Balbo Drive as police blocked protesters from marching across the bridge.
"Supporters created a Free Malcolm London hashtag and urged people to call police to demand that he be released.
"He was just standing there and the police snatched him up," tweeted the Black Youth Project 100, which organized Tuesday night's march. London is listed as a co-chair of the organization's Chicago chapter.
"The others arrested during the protest are:
• Dan M. Vanriper, 38, of the 35900 block of Wilcox in Murrieta, Calif., charged with one felony count of possession of a controlled substance, one misdemeanor count of unlawful use of weapon (a Taser), one misdemeanor count of possession of a deadly weapon (a knife).
• Johnae A. Strong, 25, of the 1400 block of East 55th Street in Chicago, charged with one misdemeanor count of resisting police officer.
• May Page, 26, of the 5300 block of South Harper Avenue in Chicago, charged with one misdemeanor count of resisting police officer.
• Troy T. Alim, 24, of the 4600 block of South Drexel Boulevard in Chicago, charged with one misdemeanor count of resisting police officer."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-aspiring-poet-and-protest-organizer-among-those-arrested-during-loop-video-protest-20151125-story.html
OT: Sorry SCC. Just wanted to let my Brothers and Sisters from the old 006th District know that Pete Wood passed away on 20 Nov 15. Great copper and great guy. Had lots of laughs with him. RIP Petey.
RhamBo Anita throw COPS under the bus!!!
Guess this guys got no clout like the Lt that messed up the Daley cousin capper
Huh?
Michael Brown in Ferguson high on drugs committed
a strong armed robbery, high on drugs refusing to obey a lawful command to get out of the street. Attempts to disarm the police and attacks the officer. McDonald high on drugs attempting to break into several vehicles walking in the street with a knife refusing a lawful order to drop the weapon and put his hands up. Hmmm. And the police are the problem. Keep teaching youth to question authority especially while they are high on drugs breaking the law. Sounds like suicide by police if you ask me. But what do I know my parents taught me better. Stop blaming everyone for your mistakes!
The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.
Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1]
A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being charged with murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.[2]
Mythbusters covered the drill in the 2012 episode "Duel Dilemmas". At 20 feet the gun wielder was able to shoot the charging knife attacker just as he reached the shooter. At shorter distances the knife wielder was always able to stab prior to being shot.
Anonymous Perry F'ing Mason said...
I am no F. Lee Bailey, but I don't recall First Degree Murder as the right charge to charge this police officer with.
Out of www.Criminal.Findlaw.com - the definition of First Degree Murder in most states is :
....In most states, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.
I don't see how this definition - of willful AND premeditated (planning or "lying in wait" for the victim) applies to what happened.
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES IT THIS WAY???
Second degree murder - could apply? Manslaughter charges could apply - but I don't see how this falls into a First Degree Murder charge?
From FINDLAW, here is definition of Second Degree Murder -
Second Degree Murder: Definition. Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.
I could see a Second Degree Murder charge being used - but what is the State's Attorney's justification for a First Degree Murder charge? It doesn't fit!!
We need to get the politics out of the State's Attorney's Office. And instead of seeking "diversity" for a candidate in an elected office as critical as this one, let's start seeking competency.
Next case.
11/25/2015 11:00:00 AM
Perry Mason, you sure are not. You have to be initially charged with first degree murder to essentially get convicted of second degree murder !!! You can't get CHARGED with second degree murder, Please correct me if i am wrong.
15 cops under react and one over reacts... There could of been a different video. Man high on pcp stabs kids while cops followed him for half a mile and did nothing. You cant win...
From the video alone this was not 1st degree murder, the offender had a knife and was high on pcp. There was a video that came out shortly after Ferguson of two officers shooting a man with a knife immediately after they pulled on scene, those officers were justified, not much media out rage on that one. Bottom line deadly force encounters will continue to occur and now they regularly appear on video, justified or not they will never look pretty. The officer may appear wrong, but lets not pretend this was an honor student walking home from school in his graduation gown. We live in a city where on avg. there are 450 homicides and 3000 people shot in a year. Judgement for this officer should occur in court not in the media before because the shooting fits a media narrative. If this the way it's going to be we will be lawless in a decade or two.
>Do you think this was a justified shooting?< Yes, for the first four shots.
With the deceased slashing a tire with his edge weapon, the perp demonstrated he knew how to use it, and would use it. Yes, he was walking away obliquely from the officer, but he could have easily closed that 20 feet while his eyes blinked. Plus, letting him go would endanger any subsequent citizens encountered.
I think the first two shots are easily justifiable, even for a civilian with a concealed carry, it was needed to stop the threat. Double tap. The next two shots, even though this guy was twitching on the ground, could be justified as a fear he could still get up.
After those two additional shots and the brief pause, this guy presented no threat. The threat had been stopped. My conceal carry instructor would say it's time to holster your weapon and put your hand up when the authorities arrive. There would be no justifying additional shooting.
I want to hear the explanation for the next ten shots and the officer will get his chance in court. Even his partner told him to stop at the change of the magazine.
I have to say that you've got love the fact that the idiot that punched the cop at last nites loop protest and was ultimately charged with felony battery was caught because one of his comrades posted the picture of the punch to social media. Also, the three "hardcore" protesters that were arrested early on in the protest turned into feeble little pussies once inside lockup and acted like they had been in a German stalag for ten years when they got out, hugging, crying and reminiscing about their couple hours of pure hell sitting on a cushionless bench with no lattes to be had. Pathetic.
that,sir or madam,is the comment of the day! +1
Blogger 30 pending and what said...
Fucking enablers. Sometimes mes I wish the shit would happen at their doorstep just to hear them scream out like the bitches that they are. Some one in Fop should make a statement. But what am I talking about it is the Fop
11/25/2015 11:17:00 AM
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Dis u watch the new last night? Fop was on every station. Herbert was on channel 11 for an extended interview.
Just because FOP puts out a news release does not mean the press will air it or print it. I was active in the middle of Donahue's tenure. 95% of what we released never saw the light of day.
The press is worse now. If it does not fit their narrative they will ignore it.
Sure feels as though the media wants a riot in Chicago. Would make for a great story. A bad incident all around... for the deceased, Van Duke, the CPD and the Citizens of Chicago because big money was already handed out.
Here is the old story he was "turning his life around!"
McDonald said little, if anything, to Chicago police as they tried to detain him last year for breaking into trucks.
What was going through his 17-year-old mind on that stretch of Pulaski Road before he was fatally shot by a Chicago police officer won't ever be known.
But in the teen's final month, some caught a glimpse of a kid who showed signs of hope and promise to maybe untangle himself from a very troubled life.
"He would come up every morning and hug me, and he would do that with a lot of teachers," Beverly Ashley, one of his teachers at an alternative high school he attended, told the Tribune in an interview earlier this year. "He really liked being here. ... (It) was a safe place for him."
According to court records, McDonald's father abandoned the family and had "no presence" in his life. At just 4, McDonald became a ward of the state when the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services took him into protective custody over allegations that his mother had neglected him, according to state records.
He spent about two months in foster care before he was moved to a relative's home and eventually back to his mother in 2002. But after just a year he was again back in foster care when an acquaintance of his mother's beat him, causing cuts, welts and bruises, according to the records.
McDonald returned to his grandmother's care in 2003 and eventually became his legal guardian. She died in 2013, and he was placed with an uncle. Shortly after, he began to get into trouble, including an arrest for possession of marijuana that resulted in his detention at a juvenile facility, according to the records.
By May 2014, he was back with his uncle. And his mother was petitioning the court for custody.
McDonald enrolled in Sullivan House Alternative School in September 2014, a month before his shooting. In the few weeks he had been there, staff said he was engaged. He tended to arrive early, ahead of the 8 a.m. start, they said.
"He was forming really good relationships with a lot of the teachers in the class," Ashley said. "He wanted to be at school. He was here early a lot of days."
McDonald, who was tall at 6-foot-2, liked to rap and dance, his teacher recalled. And he was happy.
Laquan McDonald's wounds
"He was a really funny kid," Ashley said. "The things he would say were hilarious."
McDonald's funeral was held eight days after he was shot. With the obituary, there is a grade school photo of him in a red graduation gown. In it, he smiles awkwardly, holding his diploma.
His younger sister read a poem called "My Brother.
1. He was justified
2. Anita finally got the white officer she promised
3. The working police just stopped working
4. This city just became the best place to commit crime
I looked at the salary for a proactive CPD officer vs. a fetal CPD officer...looks about the same pay wise...
Not necessarily;
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/25/9800940/fox-news-chicago-black-on-black-crime
"feeble little pussies once inside lockup and acted like they had been in a German stalag for ten years when they got out, hugging, crying and reminiscing about their couple hours of pure hell sitting on a cushionless bench with no lattes to be had."
Was the lockups expresso machine broken or did the Midnight Barista take time on the front?
WTF... charges dropped against asshole that punched a PO and other "protestors"
New media continues to identify race of officer everyday .
Same nes media refuses to identify race of black offenders that raped , murdered a pregnant female white woman or the black thug that shot a white medical student and attempted to execute him in new Orleans because he came to the aid of a female white that the black thug was attempting to abduct or rob .
Another thing a court will decide innocence or guilt , remember when OJ beat the murder rap of two white people , the black people were celebrating .
How about our news media, politicians , community activists and reverends REQUEST that the young male honor students quit using drugs , carrying weapons , assaulting police or just request of these young black citizens to follow the verbal commands of Police Officers when they are caught committing a crime . example drop the knife , gun , do not try to disarm a Police Officer . No mention of that , why was indictment delayed 13 months ? $4,900,000 hush money before a law suit , could that be considered obstruction , concealment of a murder , inquiring minds want to know.
Alverez is history , if video is the evidence , why was officer on the city payroll for 13 months , something stinks about the $4,900,000 payout and indictment a day before video was to be released . Thank goodness a journalist demanded the courts to force release of tape . Just think about it , a payout of taxpayer money to win an election . This incident also occurred when ferguson was burning and the outside groups were organized to burn down and loot cities . There's more to this story .
"Would like to know what gun holds 16 rounds as the media is claiming?
11/25/2015 10:31:00 AM"
Smith& Wesson 5906 & 50946 DAO, Beretts 92,M9,Sig Sauer P226, Glock has 8 models if he went with the glock 17 or 34 which holds 17 rounds he wouldn't have had to reload so quickly
OT-Congratulations Maryet Hall, wife of retired 1st Deputy Al. #1 score on the most obviously compromised lieutenant's exam in modern history. We all hope you and all your friends enjoy your stolen promotions!
Father Agitator getting into high gear --
Protesters Promise to Target Chicago's Premier Shopping District
Updated on November 25, 2015 — 2:39 PM CST
"Activists vowed to march along the city’s Magnificent Mile to protest police dashboard-camera footage that captured Officer Jason Van Dyke shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald even after he’d fallen to the ground. The 13-block strip includes some 460 stores, including Neiman Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue and Bloomingdale’s.
"Blocking off an intersection on the southern end of Chicago’s downtown Tuesday night, in mostly peaceful protests, demonstrators shouted “No Black Friday!”
"“It has to be an economic hit,” Father Michael Pfleger, a Catholic priest and activist, said while walking with protesters on a breezy Chicago night. “That’s what people listen to -- money.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-25/protesters-promise-to-target-chicago-s-premier-shopping-district
The good Father would know.
Shut this loudmouth down, Cupich. He's been there decades past what Church rules allow anyway. Send him to the Central Supply Warehouse somewhere out in Nebraska where he can peacefully meditate as he inventories No. 2 pencils.
Please.
"When I first saw the video I thought, man, it's hard to justify this shooting since the perp didn't technically rush the cop. Then I read this and changed my mind." The Tueller Drill"
The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.
Nice try, the key is HOLSTERED as is purely evident Van Dyke's weapon was not holstered he exited the vehicle and immediately began firing not unlike the incident involving the 12yo kid in Cleveland. Perhaps that will be the strategy Herbert will use in defense.
11/25/2015 11:01:00 AM
If you think it took 16 shots to 'stop' this guy (who was admittedly on PCP apparently and had priors), you're delusional.
Did you see the video? Did you see the shots while the guy was barely moving on the ground?
Officer you make it harder on all of your colleagues.
Lieutenants exam results are out. That was quick!
Soros bankrolls Black Lives Matter. Soros and Emanuel are tight, so Chicago will be alright.
It's good you pissed on SCC. Go to CNN website tell them. I did, leave your name where you work. I did. Come on. Freedom of speech. Use it
They dropped the charges on the guy who battered the PO last night.
Act accordingly.
CALL THE ARCHDIOCESE OFFICE #312/534-8200 TO PROTEST THE ASSHOLE PHLEGER ORGANIZING A SIT-IN FOR FRIDAY ON MICHIGAN AVE ~ we are NOT allowed to strike, speak our minds and supposed to act professional but this asshole Phleger can act like a thug and not behave like a priest!
All media outlets love to perpetuate racism it's obvious they need something to report on , even through their lies. Now the black alderman are complaining they never saw the video before approving $5 million to the family. They should all be let go and fired how irresponsible to approve a payout of tax payers dollars in such a large amount to a black family prior to seeing the video , they should be held responsible.
They are responsible to view that video not willy-nilly approve $5 million of tax payers dollars just because the family was black. They are trying to blame others because they were careless not to ask to view the video they were more than happy to relinquish $5 million . It's their job to do a full investigation prior to releasing $5 million not blaming someone because they claim they didn't see the video . They are not doing their jobs fire them!!
$100. To the first person who can tell me how to UNSUBSCRIBE from McCarthy's bullshit Departmental emails.
Please, I beg of you...
I can't tell you how to un-subscribe, but just do what I do and never go in and check them. I've only been in it twice since we got it. If it's that important, it'll be in the CO book or someone else will tell you about it.
Forget about all the media hype, SCC. Bottom line: Do you think this was a justified shooting?
11/25/2015 11:17:00 AM
SCC was born the day *before* yesterday, asshole. Why would they answer this?
Did McShot really try to get the heart attack disability? If so, what a putz.
Charges dropped against protest leader accused of striking a cop during Loop march.
Police said in a statement that Malcolm London, 22, of the 4900 block of West Huron in the Austin neighborhood "was identified as striking an on-duty Chicago police officer" in the 100 block of East Balbo Drive as police blocked protesters from marching across the bridge.
Supporters created a Free Malcolm London hashtag and urged people to call police to demand that he be released.
Wearing a black T-shirt that read "apologetically black" on the back, London thanked the judge and smiled at supporters who packed a courtroom at the Leighton Criminal Court Building after a prosecutor announced the charges had been dropped.
Their demands were met. The Tribune and Yahoo are making this *** a Folk Hero.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-aspiring-poet-and-protest-organizer-among-those-arrested-during-loop-video-protest-20151125-story.html
The shithead punches a cop! Felony charges approved! Charges dropped? Catering to the lawless black politicians!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have to say that you've got love the fact that the idiot that punched the cop at last nites loop protest and was ultimately charged with felony battery was caught because one of his comrades posted the picture of the punch to social media. Also, the three "hardcore" protesters that were arrested early on in the protest turned into feeble little pussies once inside lockup and acted like they had been in a German stalag for ten years when they got out, hugging, crying and reminiscing about their couple hours of pure hell sitting on a cushionless bench with no lattes to be had. Pathetic.
11/25/2015 11:07:00 AM
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The puncher went before a judge today and walked.
Damn Jay Walkers!
Protesters are asking people not to spend money on Black Friday , what that has to do with anything is questionable. Lack of common sense, how can the city keep doing all the free giveaways without collecting money? Not to mention lack of spending at the stores means less hiring for the people who live in those areas and need money brilliant idea !
Outside the respective states of occurrence (Kansas and Tennessee), perhaps the "politically correct" lying MSM can inform the nation about the horrific truths of "The Wichita Massacre", "The Knoxville Horror" and other conspicuously unpublicized commonplace "sacred cow" cases where innocent Caucasians were tortured, raped, robbed and slaughtered by bloodthirsty, sadistic black strangers.
Otherwise: (yawn)
After viewing her on ABC's "Dancing With The Stars", no longer is the 17-year-old "Jungle Girl" Bindi Irwin just Australia's Sweetheart. She's now America's Sweetheart. She's pure joy to watch.
What's the spread on the Thanksgiving game at Lambeau?
What if all the irresponsible black leaders and racist protesters , stop saying ,cops this and cops that . You don't want to be referred as "those people ", that's offensive to you, welI I find it offensive that you lump Officers all in the same group.
So I see an on-line picture on Trbune website of the follow through of the punch this guy London threw at an officer. Charges dropped at his bond hearing. Photo gone. WTF
This is the headline at Trib online--no joke:
Breaking News
In final weeks, Laquan McDonald tried to turn his troubled life around.
Unfuckingbelieveable
Note to every police officer. Get a good haircut...
she's mad he kicked the knife? How can we win when they get mad about kicking a knife
Because the white office kicked the BLACK HANDLE of the knife......
Trib says the dropped the charges on the asshole who punched the cop.
WTF? Its on video??
Prosecutors dropped charges against the protest leader, Malcolm London, after he punched a cop. Apparently, there wasn't enough proof.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUp3C9cWcAAyKQS.jpg
Love your blog, but who is Mope-rah?
Mary Mitchell of the Sun-Times
She is NO Oprah...
from the "Breaking News" section of the Tribune,
BREAKING NEWS
In final weeks, Laquan McDonald tried to turn his troubled life around
Annie Sweeney
Laquan McDonald's final month, some caught a glimpse of a kid who showed signs of hope and promise to maybe untangle himself from a very troubled life.
You can't make shit like this up
Reform, let's start with the segment of the black community that contributes very little to society and asks for more at every turn.
This is the same group that kills indiscriminately with no remorse, all for the purpose of committing criminal activity.
Is the black community ready for that discussion on race yet?
To answer the question if SCC and others believe this was a justifiable shooting? The answer is legally yes, someone armed with a knife can stab you within a 30 foot radius of the officer before the officer can draw his weapon and stop the threat. There is case law by the Supreme Court in regards to the approved footage. It's called the 30 foot rule, it use to be 21 feet but changed about 8-10 years ago. Based off the video that was shown by the media, McDonald was high on PCP and within the 30 feet of the officer armed with a knife. I don't know if a taser was used and failed on McDonald or not, but we do know he was acting aggressively toward officers on scene with the knife by stabbing the windshield of one squad car and puncturing the tire of another. So was he justified? Yes. Did he have to shoot him that many times? I don't know, I was t there. It appears from the video maybe only 3-4 rounds were fired into McDonald while he was down, he will have to answer to those rounds on why he continued to shoot while McDonald was down. Shooting your gun at a person is a traumatic event for anyone. If you never been a shooting you wouldn't understand. The detectives asked me how many rounds do I think I shot, I truthfully responded 2 or 3. It wasn't until they located my shell casing and took my gun was it discovered that I fired 7 rounds. I was shocked that fired my gun that many times without knowing. Not criticizing but offering food for thought, just because you have the legal authority to shot someone doesn't mean yo have too. There have been plenty of times I could of shot someone and be justified by law but I didn't. Some will say it was dangerous and a gamble that should not of taken but then again they are not me and weren't there to experience the moment like I did, in those cases I never felt like my life or others was truly threatened. Sometimes you can place yourself in a dangerous situation or a tactical disadvantage and your only choice is to fire your weapon. So don't make a bad situation worse by purposely placing yourself in harms way if you don't have too. Happy thanksgiving everyone and stay fetal
The cap and gown photo's are because the school provides the photographer.
These kids have nobody that will or care to take them to Sears or Walmart for photos.
Your department and city is at fault, no tasers, lol its 2015!!! Entire state of AZ, with dozens of agencies has had them issued to every officer for over 10 years! I know Taser is based out here but still come on people. In those ten years hundreds and hundreds of people armed, suicidal, etc have been tased and the officer isn't going to jail. With the X2 he would have been popped at least twice to be safe and its over. Don't know how you can do it without tools...Beanbags,tasers, mark 9's, K9's. Why didn't anyone hit him with an open door or car if they were afraid.
I would say that I'm fortunate. The reason I say this is because I actually became friends with Jason. Didn't know he was down there for that, but nobody tells why they're down there unless it's an injury. Jason treated me and everyone else with kindness and if U had a problem Jason would be the first to take the shirt off his back for someone. Excellent to have a conversation with and again I can't emphasize enough that I call him a friend.
I would like to ask my Catholic God to watch over Jason and his Famiky. I wish/hope nothing but the best going forward.
J, I doubt you're reading this post, but best of luck and I will be praying for U.
Anonymous said...
Channel 9 says that he was just wandering the streets with a knife.
11/25/2015 08:32:00 AM
Well they are definitely improving on their reporting. On Monday of this week, Robin Baumgarten stated on the morning news that the teen was UNARMED.
I know she was just reading the script prepared by her fucktard producers.
They have a picture on the tribune website of that asshole that just got released punching a police officer. Why would they have charges dropped?
As a retired officer I have seen and experienced numerous times in my career when the police were the scapegoat and political fall guys for the benefit of political or community leaders. I have never seen the atmosphere so toxic and hateful towards the police as I see now.
With the environment as it has been for the past year or so, I believe that it is time for officers to "take care of themselves and their partners,and everyone else comes last", as an "old school" Lt. in the old 12 district said after every roll call.
In short DO NOTHING, answer your calls, fill out the reports,and make no arrests.
I know that doing nothing is something hard to do,but remember if you do make an honest mistake,or some puke says you put the handcuffs on too tight, citizens armed with pitchforks will be calling for your head.
Are willing to "pay the price" doing you job today may cost you or your family?
Would like to know what gun holds 16 rounds as the media is claiming?
He was most likely carrying a glock. A glock 17 mag holds 17 rounds
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g17gen4
honest question here...in the video released Tuesday eve, i think at the 5:33 point to be exact, the perp McDonald does kind of a "spin" move (to his right, clockwise) where he ends up facing the 2 cops who have exited their car, guns drawn. Did he do this "spin" move because of the force of being hit by a bullet(maybe in the left side/shoulder area ?) or was it a conscious move by perp (for whatever reason) ? The reason i ask is because in the public video we can't see exactly when the officer starts firing(also due to no audio)...thanx to anyone who can clarify this for me !
Stay fetal per the mayor.
Shooting the guy initially can be justified in he was walking towards people and had to be stopped. Shooting him when he's down isn't so easy to explain.
Scc, I think we need to talk about why charges were dropped against this idiot. I am disgusted
Charges dropped against protest leader accused of striking cop during Loop march
http://trib.in/21fUgSm
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That video was nothing like it was talked up to be. However, the liberally-biased media has to desperately try to exaggerate this event to further push their unAmerican agenda. I support Officer Jason Van Dyke and would like to know how we donate to his fund.
11/25/2015 11:17:00 AM
You can donate at any branch of the Chicago patrolmens Federal Credit Union. Cash is accepted and you will get a receipt, or you can write a check to the officer's wife, Tiffany Van Dyke and they will handle it.
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...
I liked this one from Mitchell --
"I don’t believe that the majority of Chicago police officers are so untrained, so scared, so uncaring that they would have to shoot a 17-year-old who is armed with a folding knife."
Yeah, well, there are a lot of chronic malcontents on the department who haven't come to accept the idea of sitting on the cement, watching their insides spill out into their lap.
11/25/2015 08:01:00 AM
Maybe she thinks a 'folding knife' is origami, and made of folded white paper. Maybe if someone said "switchblade' she could comprehend it.
Forget about all the media hype, SCC. Bottom line: Do you think this was a justified shooting?
11/25/2015 11:17:00 AM
I will tell you that I agree it looks terrible, but I was not there in that man's shoes. I don't know everything that happened. I wouldn't want to be judged for many things I have done without you having all the information that led to that action.
The offender, let's remember that he was an offender, was high on a hallucinogen by his own hand. It makes you stronger than several men and uncontrollable. He knew that when he took it but didn't care. I have seen it. Once you have, you'll always know it when you see it.
There was only property damage done by the offender. Luckily, no human victim came into contact with him, at least until the officers arrived. What I can tell you for sure is that if that was my block he was on, I would have been cheering the officer, not condemning him. I won't condemn him now.
Remember the officer came to work to do good. The offender was out terrorizing a neighborhood.
It is what it is, but would it kill you, to wear a suit and tie, instead of wearing the working on the dock clothing for national t.v.
11/25/2015 04:28:00 AM
Oh yea sure so you can be nice and comfortable sitting in a holing cell for six days at 26 and California....You are a dumbfuck
This guy is walking away from the police vehicle that he has his back towards but is definitely walking closer to the officer who shot him. It's unfortunate that there is no audio because I'm sure you would have heard numerous commands of "drop the knife". Let's go down the list of what we know.
Subject was breaking into autos stealing radios.
Subject was high on PCP.
Subject was given orders to drop the knife and get on the ground.
Subject refused to comply with numerous lawful police commands.
Subject commits criminal damage to a police vehicle.
Subject closes the distance between him and the officer, still armed with the knife and is dropped in short order.
What is happening here is we have a society that is governed by laws that most civilized people in our society obey. There are some people who believe that only GOD can judge them and the laws and opinions of society do not matter because they live by the law of the jungle and not the law of the land. All this liberal media condemnation of this officer is just furthering the devils agenda.
Good luck officer, you will remain in our prayers as well as every officer who goes out to the streets every day to keep the devil at bay.
I have to say that you've got love the fact that the idiot that punched the cop at last nites loop protest and was ultimately charged with felony battery was caught because one of his comrades posted the picture of the punch to social media.
Yeah, I love even more how the piece of shit was released with charges dropped. Fucking joke! Fuck this city
Media reporting that charges for punching an officer during the protest were dropped. The officer sustained a black eye. Where in the job description does it say you will submit to being a human punching bag or a victim of a PCP crazy man with a knife?
For the $100....mark the email as spam.....
Funny that the political machine behaved like oh, we'll put this out there for transparency and yes it was a horrible abuse of force, murder! All the while thinking they would ride the wave of #BLM and come out ahead HAHAHAHAHA you were played! Played! They waited patiently til they got what they wanted NOW, they pounced on you unsuspecting victim of your own ignorance,self preservation and greed
Pope Francis has reassigned Pfather Pfleger to Our Lady of the Northern Lights parish in Barrow, Alaska.
I bet half the protestors think they are protesting for higher wages at McDonalds, not the death of an offender named McDonald.
Follow and observe call a Sergeant,Approach with minimum 2 tasers,Disturbance with a Mental,Ive done it this way it works.
Can someone confirm that CPD training it to keep shooting until the threat is neutralized? Also, NBC was making a big deal about the fact that the Officer reloaded his duty weapon, but isn't that what the Officer would have been expected to do in that situation?
Anonymous said...
Blame the media? No, this cop was silly. Just plane silly.
11/25/2015 10:52:00 AM
What is plane silly? Does that occur only in airports? Inquiring minds want to know!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
$100. To the first person who can tell me how to UNSUBSCRIBE from McCarthy's bullshit Departmental emails.
Please, I beg of you...
11/25/2015 10:53:00 AM
Um, if you left the department for another job he couldn't send them to you. Please send the $100 you now owe me to the officer Van Dyke defense fund.
Funny how this did not spark outrage
http://downtrend.com/71superb/black-cop-shoots-and-kills-6-year-old-white-boy-with-autism
Only one solution.... Demographic accurate policing. White officers in white...black in black... Etc.
It does not matter if any
body thinks it is justified .The P.O. thought it was justified ! I HOPE he articulated that at the time of this shooting!
Isn't the CPD use of deadly force instruction for an edged weapon within 21 feet
state that deadly force is justified? The 21 foot rule is due to reaction time and the speed that an attacker can reach you before you can utilize your weapon?
The video I saw is at an angle but subject did appear closer than 21 feet and to move toward Van Dyke's group. Once deadly force is justified the number of rounds seems sort of irrelevant.
As far as reloading: so what? His weapon and mag were empty. He was trained to reload. Give me a break
I think he should not be charged. Would the outrage be less if only one round was fired?
Once again failure to follow police commands and being armed with a knife set the
use of force into motion. This is the common denominator in all of the recent high profile shootings in the last year.
Hey mom's and dad's try parenting.
Where is Pat Camden when you need him !
Let's start by going 'old school.' Replace the 9's with the 357 magnum. Allow the newer 7 round version. Better stopping power than a nine anyway. Also the media loves broadcasting those officers toting their 'rifles at the ready' every chance they get. Imagine the coverage if an officer empties a 30 round clip into someone.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have to say that you've got love the fact that the idiot that punched the cop at last nites loop protest and was ultimately charged with felony battery was caught because one of his comrades posted the picture of the punch to social media. Also, the three "hardcore" protesters that were arrested early on in the protest turned into feeble little pussies once inside lockup and acted like they had been in a German stalag for ten years when they got out, hugging, crying and reminiscing about their couple hours of pure hell sitting on a cushionless bench with no lattes to be had. Pathetic.
11/25/2015 11:07:00 AM
Here is one for ya..............
The same idiot who was charged with a felony in this incident, had is case dropped today in court by the ASA. Even after the judge found probable cause!! The State's Attorney made this call and is trying to gain favor with the public.
Thanks for declaring open season on police officers. Now all ya gotta do is punch a police officer and the state will drop charges.
This is truly a travesty of justice. I hope that our unions remember this at election time and do not endorse her.
Getting tired of reading how bosses in the old days had your back. Been on over twenty fiv years. Never saw such backing, same bunch of political hacks back then as now. They would/ will hang you out to the animals to further their own agenda anyway possible. One exception I met over the years, John Farrell. I'm sure their are others, but very few.
SCC, it troubles me to watch these protesters attempting to provoke and intimidate officers by yelling within inches of the officer's faces and bodies. How close is too close? Whatever happened to, "Back Sir!" We all were taught in the academy?
When will we learn to give them what they want?. Let them shoot, rob, rape each other!! Come in later to do the report, that's it. This is a new police department, it's a passive mentality you need, not a go get em, right out of the academy mentality! You are a fool to be doing pro active policing now, because you my friend could be standing in front of the news doing your job the way you were trained, but you will be wrong anyway!! When crime skyrockets and no arrests can be made, eventually the public will get it. I can even foresee an ISIS asshole shooting up a crowd, but find the policemen in the wrong for blowing him away. Let them figure it out then. If we were organized with our approach, we would be a force to be reckoned with, but unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon, we've got people who want to be promoted any way they can and will step over you to get it, not to mention bosses who have no heart or balls to do what's right just to keep there little spot. CPD is fucked up beyond all recognition to all you rookies, I feel sorry for you.
Another question - it's been said the kid with the knife jumped on the hood of a squad car and pounded on the windshield and slashed It's tire. Is this true? If yes, were cops inside the squad when this happened? If yes, did they do when that happened?
Does everyone now get one free shot at a cop?
Keep doing vri and protecting the politicians neighborhoods. The same politicians who want to screw you the second your on camera doing your job. Sorry, you my friend are feeding the flames. If they didn't have the appropiate police presence in these districts for vri the media would really see the violence they commit. We are helping them. And yeah I get you need the money for juniors tuition, but some time in your life, you have to take a stand and make a statement, then maybe you can look in the mirror and truly say you are what you are.
ABC news keeps referring to them as protesters they are nothing more then thugs causing damage, trying to rip the lights off the trees, lock em up.! They don't want to be peaceful ,one is inches from a police officer's face. How does that officer know what germs that scumbag has?
When the hateful news media turns their cameras off these thugs will stop.
Somebody post the addresses of the jag offs who got arrested. It's public record. Play their game. Fuck 'em.
Anonymous said...
Media reporting that charges for punching an officer during the protest were dropped. The officer sustained a black eye. Where in the job description does it say you will submit to being a human punching bag or a victim of a PCP crazy man with a knife?
11/25/2015 07:13:00 PM
With a visible injury, make the IOD report, seek medical attention in the ER and take time off to recover. If the ASA dropped charges then you earned the right to time off for recovery. See you after New years. Be safe and enjoy the family time.
Stop donating to the Catholic Church until a certain priest is removed from the pairish he's been in longer than 20 years.
As faker said, hurt them economicly.
Dean fired Camden in May upon request from Rahm.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Only one solution.... Demographic accurate policing. White officers in white...black in black... Etc.
11/25/2015 08:00:00 PM
Also, demographic tax distribution.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Two words: Tueller Drill
He will be exonerated.
11/25/2015 03:56:00 AM
You have a year before the trial to stockpile ammo and weapons.Get ready because I feel the same,he will walk.
The Savages will burn the city down then,so make preparations now......
I watched this video several times.
What sticks out to me is how he would keep his hands in his pockets while running with police... then suddenly theres a silver glint of something in his right hand.
I'm no cop or lawyer so when you ask yourself about the number of times he was shot, i really don't know how to respond. These cases are about perception; not reality.
Funny, since this video was released is seeing people removing the lights from the Christmas tree and damaging it yet no arrests.
Funny, seeing people standing in the streets of Michigan Avenue etc blocking traffic and even damaging stopped vehicles yet no arrests.
Funny, watching media videos of protesters getting in the faces of CPD and making g threats such as the KKK, etc and no arrests.
A lot of funny incidents only they're not funny at all when you see the reality of what's happening and there is no perception. The reality is that Chicago Police have absolutely zero power.
Once again I ask myself how many shots did this officer fire when a individual supposedly on drugs and damaging police cars, fleeing then brandishing a weapon..... What exactly was supposed to be done here? Taser? Bean bag? What????
Or are Chicago Police supposed to try to disarm this person at their own expense without using anything at all? Because I sure know a lot of CPD that have had numerous surgeries, heart attacks etc because they choose to not use any weapon.
Never let a good crisis go to waste. Well Rahm, you got your crisis!
Officers, you are looking good in the confrontations with the protesters.
Stay professional! It will just make the protesters look like the idiots they are
by not over reacting to their bait.
In honor of the police I am buying an AR to add to my collection.
In defense of the Mayor and States Attorney Alvarez, I applaud them for taking the time to ensure that there was no rush to judgement. So many of these heater incidents in the past couple years that have resulted in riots were ultimately incidents that were justified and the officers cleared. It is not unreasonable that at first sight the shooting appeared somewhat justified by the powers that be, however they knew something was wrong otherwise they wouldn't have stripped the officer and began a multi-agency investigation.
Those who should be really ashamed of trying to spin this to their advantage are the alderman calling for the removal of the Sup and States Attorney. It's shameful that they would try to portray themselves as ignorant of this incident for a year when we all know that is not true. They approved a settlement of $5 million in tax payer dollars shortly after the incident. Their story that they were blindsided by this, and the blame for the Sup or Alvarez is just insulting all the way around. We're alderman also sleeping at the wheel when they signed away billions of dollars in revenue with the parking meter deal? These aldermen should all be removed as they are liars. Period.
Just remember, not everyone is against you guys.
Anonymous said...
Dean fired Camden in May upon request from Rahm.
11/25/2015 11:04:00 PM
Another BULLSHIT post. Could it be because Pat wasn't getting the job done anymore because the city was beating him to the mic because Pat live in in DuPage County.
PS Pat will do OK he just opened a series of Tanning spas.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Media reporting that charges for punching an officer during the protest were dropped. The officer sustained a black eye. Where in the job description does it say you will submit to being a human punching bag or a victim of a PCP crazy man with a knife?
11/25/2015 07:13:00 PM
With a visible injury, make the IOD report, seek medical attention in the ER and take time off to recover. If the ASA dropped charges then you earned the right to time off for recovery. See you after New years. Be safe and enjoy the family time.
11/25/2015 10:43:00 PM
Then sue the bastard.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Would like to know what gun holds 16 rounds as the media is claiming?
He was most likely carrying a glock. A glock 17 mag holds 17 rounds
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g17gen4
11/25/2015 05:58:00 PM
Sigs hold 15 in mag and one in chamber....
"Forget about all the media hype, SCC. Bottom line: Do you think this was a justified shooting?"
Hey Mr. Rush To Judgment, don't you think it would be nice to see all of the evidence and hear both sides of the case before rendering a verdict. Or do you want to base it off of a 15 second clip and bogus news stories before sending someone to jail for 20 years to life?
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