First Degree Murder? (UPDATE)
- Sneed has learned a criminal probe launched by Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez into the shooting death of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald is expected to result in first-degree murder charges Tuesday against 37-year-old Chicago police officer [...]
[...] will turn himself in Tuesday morning, sources tell Sneed. Accompanied by his lawyer, the disgraced officer will be processed, fingerprinted and charged before appearing at a noon bond hearing at the Leighton Criminal Courts Building, 26th and California.
∞The shocker: If a first-degree murder charge is placed against [the officer], it will be the first time in Chicago history an “on duty” police officer was charged with such a crime.
Looking over the ILCS, the only phrase that we can find that even comes close to passing the smell test is this:
- 720 ILCS 5/9-1(b)(11) the murder was committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner pursuant to a preconceived plan, scheme or design to take a human life by unlawful means, and the conduct of the defendant created a reasonable expectation that the death of a human being would result therefrom...
And even that would be quite a hurdle to surmount.
Releasing the video now will inevitably taint the jury pool and for a First Degree Murder trial, you want everything in order, double-and-triple checked, and no surprises. Anita is in a fight for her political life at the moment. Does she have something that justifies a charge this high or is she pandering in the face of a primary challenge from the Prickwrinkle arm of the Machine?
In the meantime, get ready for an ugly holiday weekend ladies and gentlemen.
UPDATE: Evidently, we quoted the penalty phase of the law. Here is the Homicide Statute:
Releasing the video now will inevitably taint the jury pool and for a First Degree Murder trial, you want everything in order, double-and-triple checked, and no surprises. Anita is in a fight for her political life at the moment. Does she have something that justifies a charge this high or is she pandering in the face of a primary challenge from the Prickwrinkle arm of the Machine?
In the meantime, get ready for an ugly holiday weekend ladies and gentlemen.
UPDATE: Evidently, we quoted the penalty phase of the law. Here is the Homicide Statute:
- 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
(3) he is attempting or committing a forcible felony other than second degree murder.
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
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After the Servin debacle, she really had no choice but to go for 1st degree.
Hey chicago... i'd like you to meet baltimore. Baltimore... this is chicago.
The charge is meant to suppress the video, duh. Parlor trick to save Rahm from an ugly holiday season. Brilliant.
"Anita is in a fight for her political life at the moment. Does she have something that justifies a charge this high..."
So just take after the grandstanding Marilyn Mosby prosecutorial model from Bodymore, Murderland -- or what is left of it -- charge the copper with "depraved-heart murder."
Does anyone know if the city even has a plan? No orders! No days off or time due cancelled? Who is running this a liberal civilian????
It's interesting so the department initially said officer was within department USE OF FORCE guidelines, with this being said how do you charge a First Degree Murder charge when the officer was AUTHORIZED to use DEADLY FORCE, now your unhappy at how much deadly force the officer used???
CPD is doomed with the mayor and the other Rev.s dictating policy and procedure. Hey here is a thought Rahm keep your trap shut.
"720 ILCS 5/9-1(b)(11) the murder was committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner pursuant to a preconceived plan, scheme or design to take a human life by unlawful means..."
Yeah, I mean, every copper kisses his wife and kids goodbye and then goes out on the street looking to get himself in deep s__t, just praying he'll run into some screaming, tire-hacking nut on PCP. Guy is tossing and turning in bed every night, pacing the floor. "LaQuan, LaQuan, how am I going to do LaQuan who I never heard of before." Has a clear shower curtain to make sure LaQuan isn't hidin in there.
Gimme a break.
She is just a piece of crap.
The citizens of this shit city better arm themselves. Any officer that does anything on this job should have his or her head examined. The days of policing are over. We are now the enemy. Stay safe stay dorment.
Well, it looks as if Det. Servin is toast. The Fibune is saying he's going to get the boot from the Sup. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-mccarthy-moves-to-fire-detective-dante-servin-after-fatal-off-duty-shooting-20151123-story.html
They have sat on his for how long, and wait till the day before thanksgiving to file charges? All of a sudden evidence they have had for so long ends up pointing to 1st degree murder....or..... they are charging at the 11th hour before tape is released to appease the rioting class....
This case is gonna bring about alot of work changes. Guaranteed. If you're still doing above and beyond proactive police work, you haven't been paying attention.
PROACTIVE POLICING IS DEAD!
The state very well could know something we don't. Did Van Dyke comment a bunch on the whole Darren Wilson thing on social media? I'm leaning towards thinking that them making an example out of him could be tied into the liberals belief that Wilson got off lightly. If the guy donated to his cause, who knows what they could try and spin this into. Maybe they'll argue he was trying to get celebrity cop status or some garbage. As always, it all boils down to a political move.
Does Anita know the Baltimore DA?
WOW What's next. Be safe
The officer planned to run into someone carrying a knife and high on PCP that night who displayed aggressive behavior while slashing car tires and would not follow lawful orders?
Come on. There was no "preconceived plan" here when the Officer went out on duty that night.
Unless Anita has some sort of stunning evidence, the likes of which have never before been seen, this seems like overcharging and pandering of the worst sort.
There is a bombshell in the video. As much as it pains me to say- charge is justified.
Buckle down ladies and gentlemen. Watch your 6.
Some stuff brewing in 019. A tactical officer was caught writing fictitious A.N.O.V.'s to known offenders that frequent the area of the 019 district. This officer was signing their names and turning them in without them being aware of it and has put himself and his partner in a pickle.
Stop Proactive policing. Don't put yourself in a position to have to defend yourself. It is apparent that the Asa's office has taken Holder's lead and is now waging war against us. Stop doing anything and let this place burn.
You think it's a mere coincidence that they railroad him today, exactly one day before the release of the much ballyhooed video?
Political gamesmanship and pandering plain and simple.
The anti police rhetoric in the media and certain segments of society absolutely disgusts me.
Does this video cost McCarthy his job, like the bartender video cost Cline his?
If it does go up for grabs, let them have it. If they want to burn their own neighborhoods, let them. If they loot on Michigan Av, it's only property. Don't be the next person to face charges because you were out there doing your job.
Anita must go she is incompetent .
Emmanuel better be ready it going to be bad weekend !!!!!! He better have cancel days off of all police personnel .....
i know you can't condone a work slow down, or a work stoppage. So I won't do that
Time to get out that portable DVD player I got for my birthday
Rahm saw that video. It's called "distancing". This way if shit goes bad for the prosecution he can say he never saw the video (again). 3 shots or 16, lethal force is lethal force. Ram's advisors are trying to avoid the Baltimore Mayor's mistakes. If (when) the riots happen, protect yourselves and your family. Keep them inside and out of the wrong parts of town until this is over.
This guy is going to need major benefit for major legal costs…..
People should be giving $50 bucks a piece anonymously, because this dude is going to be thrown to the wolves by the Super, Mayor, S/A. He's going to need a team of attorneys, in addition to Danny.
Who's ready for some contact cards?
I don't think she's all that bright. It's simple pandering to the lowest common denominator. Years from now, when the trial is over, no one will give a shit on the outcome or original charge.
Phather Phelcher is calling for people (and folks) to block Michigan Ave. on Black Friday.
Time to introduce Archbishop "Pooch" Cupich to Phleger Bucks, SCC. Since the Phelcher wants to fuck with people's cash flows, lets fuck with Cupich's cash flow.
Please repost so we can make new copies.
Over reacting? First degree murder? 13 months later? Somethings not right! If Anita wanted political expediency to attempt to get reelection campaign running, why wait so long? This has so many repercussions from mayhem, to adding to the anti-police attitude, praying for a just outcome! Who pays the agitators that are coming here from other states? Who funds these mayhem induced thugs? Guess "justice be dames" is the new mantra! Why did the elected allow this to go off the rails to this extreme? What's in it for them?
As for Cpd and every other assisting agency, please protect each other, protect the homeland that's what is important if they want the freedom to destroy they can freely destroy their neighborhoods, but if they think the business people (the few that risk staying) will rebuild they are sadly mistaken, while the professional agitators after this is over go home laughing as they are paid, get home enjoying their lattes, going to their local stores taking joy in the mayhem they proclamated, as you the idiots no brains that listened to them are left with nothing, following your millionaire leaders like Jackson, father fakey,sharpton who really could careless about you and your families it's all about the money with them, think about it!
Just saw some large&in-charge F1 saying that the mayor hasn't done anything for the black community so they have no obligation to obey his calls for peace. You're correct, sweetie. You don't have to behave according to a politician's request. However, you do have an obligation to obey the fucking laws that exist in your municipality/county/state/ country. You want to destroy property or hurt others? Well, then expect to be arrested. You want to break laws and endanger others? Well, then maybe you get beat or shot by police. If this officer was not justified in this shooting then he should be subjected to the judiciary process. Stop thinking you are above the law because you are mad.
Be safe out there, officers. This looks like it may get rough. I guess it will continue as long as a certain segment takes out their frustration on cops, ignores the reasons why their people may be held to a particular position in society, and ignores the facts that result in most of the police shootings. Oh, and as lobg as they refuse to address the violence that they commit against themselves, which makes up for the vast majority of the loss of life.
What matters again?
I smell OT. All DO,s canceled.
WTF?!
For all you hard chargers out there isn't it reassuring to see how the politicians and McGoofy have your back?
Rahm wonders why we're "fetal"??
Let them have this city.... they've made this bed now they've got to lay in it.
You're looking at death kenalry aggravating factors (which because the death penalty is no longer an option, life in prison is the potential sentence. For First Degree Murder, look just to 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a) and subsections (1), (2) and (3)
Sec. 9-1. First degree Murder - Death penalties - Exceptions - Separate Hearings - Proof - Findings - Appellate procedures - Reversals.
(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he either intends to kill or do great bodily harm
to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he knows that such acts create a strong
probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
(3) he is attempting or committing a forcible felony
Obviously (3) doesn't apply in th3 case of the officer.
Crawling into the corner, curling up in into that fetal position.....right......now
"disgraced officer"? Of course, guilty until proven innocent is the norm. Just like "about to turn his life around" for any minority, no matter what!
Nice to see how that mayor has our backs. When asked during a press conference if he had seen the video he said no. He then goes on to say "This officer didn't uphold the law, in my view he took the law into his own hand" How would he know if he hasn't even seen the video?
She's pandering of course, as is Rahm. His comments, pre-trial, are prejudicial. And Phleger is looking to shut down the Magnificent Mile on Black Friday. What that has to do with this is beyond me except that most of those flash mobs that go looting will be out in force and Phleger will probably look to justify it. Maybe he can herd them over to the Chicago Theatre if Chiraq is still playing there.
It's not the video but the audio that will seal his fate...
"... the disgraced officer...."?
What the fuck is that? He's been charged, not convicted. Fuck the scum times.
First degree murder requires the action to be premeditated.
That is ridiculous.
No officer decided he is going to go to work and kill somebody.
Police take actions as a result of how others(offended) act.
The offender dictates the circumstances...police try to make it a least violent and destructive as possible.
Americans should be disgusted with themselves when they judge the men and women who stand between good and evil.
Choose good......in the end, Good always prevails.
Society cannot service on evil.
I don't know why I read the news paper anymore. It just makes my hands dirty.
SCC
Units all over city being notified about elective time off.
Also department uniform needed for street detail.
Guess we are going to the mattresses.........
POLITICAL!!!!! Can you say Baltimoe! Copper in Baltimore charged with murder and all he did was transport. Watch yourself these days guys. These guys running the show will sacrifice you so fast your head will spin if it looks like it will hit the media in a negative light.
"Well if I'm a worker they will back me.....". I respect and love every working copper but be careful rolling that dice in these times. These political hacks don't give a flying f$&k about anything more then their political lives!
Yes and there will be trouble if not riots because that's what they do - none of them give a flying f$&k about that kid or black lives - it's called $$$$$$
You have to appease the masses. A lamb for the slaughter.
The mayor and states attorney have sent us all a clear message. Don't take any type of proactive action anymore. From now on, I will take my time responding to calls for service and hand out reports to all. I have a few years left and will be relocating the day I retire.
Best wishes to the JV.
The beast must be feed.
Remember, elections are around the corner.
Must insure votes for all Democrat candidates.
I'll bet her argument for charging murder will be (as you suggested) something along the lines of the officer intentionally placed himself in a position of harm in order to "justify" shooting the offender, thereby creating and following a preconceived plan to take the offender's life by shooting him. She will suggest the argument that several officers where "following" and attempting to "contain" the offender when the defendant officer knowingly exited his squad car in such a manner as to give the impression his life was in danger for the sole purpose of firing his weapon. She will also argue that the officer should have stopped firing when the offender "spun around." However, the officer then fired into the offender's back. (Don't let your heads explode yet.)
One problem with that is I think the officer/defendant was the passenger in his squad car. He could argue his partner pulled up to the scene and he exited the squad car, not realizing he was so close to the offender and fearing for his life, he fired.
We all know this case will be charged on round-count only. Many who have been in shootings know many rounds are fired in a second or two at the most, especially when you fear for your life. There are hundreds of dash and body camera videos out now where officers fired several rounds after a person fell to the ground, or turned. There is a scientific argument in the use of force that explains action and reaction times.
Graham v. Connor is the U.S. Supreme Court decision that says an officer's force should be applied in the same basic way that an "objectively reasonable" officer would in the same circumstances. The the most important factor to consider in applying force is the threat faced by the officer or others at the scene. In other words, what did the officer know and do at the time of the shooting? The incident must be judged without the benefit of hindsight. Those instructions will be given to a jury.
Stay safe.
Please pray for this officer and his family. I can not imagine how difficult this must be on him and his family.
This is sum bullshit!!!! This poor copper will not get a fair trial this city fucking sux!!! Watch your back boys & girls & give these assholes what they want & DONT DO SHIT!!!!
I'd imagine the union is going to fight these charges to the end, therefore once the trial starts I'd imagine that every officer on scene that night is going to end up receiving a subpoena in roll call. I have absolutely no clue what happened out there that night, but for everyone's sake, let's make sure no other officers get dragged under the bus. Hopefully your testimony will help this officer, but please tell the truth regardless of who the testimony favors for the sake of you and your family. Only thing worse that one officer charged with a crime is two officers charged with a crime. Flame away at me...
The preconceived part of that statute doesn't match up either. That means he wouldve had to have been plotting to kill the kid before the shooting took place. Almost positive there was no prior contact between these two.
Black Americans refusal to take to task those elements within their community that riot and burn in an orgyastic tantrum do nothing but further resentment and racism from outside their community. It is pathetic and paints Black America in a poor light when the greater community has an ever present worry of the violence and destruction from upsetting this specific group. It is akin to an entire family walking around on eggshells because mom or dad hand out beatings when they get drunk and mad. How can you expect people to view your community seriously if it throws tantrum like petulant children. What other group riots when it views itself being treated unequally? Did the Gay riot before they got democrats to allow them to marry. Did social conservatives riot because the Gay and democrats forced somthing unwanted down their throat(pun intended)? How patronizing is it that this behavior is expected? How low are our expectations of The Black community that we accept this? Acceptance of a thing is condoning a thing. Decent Black people need to take steps to get their house in order by coming out en mass and marching against the rioters by standing to protect property from being destroyed. Community leaders need to be in the thick of it and standing with the police and for law and order instead of continuing to stereotype police and spread prejudice against a few bad members of an otherwise admirable group or accept the lable of hypocrite. Shame on black leaders. Shame on a community that needs leaders to beg them not to destroy and loot and burn.
My thoughts as a wife of a PO, no jury. Let the Judge decide. Perhaps it will be like the other Officer and found NG because he was over charged. Stay safe out there.
It's a sad day for law enforcement! It has hit home and come to our city. The writing has been on the wall for a long time, but we refuse to read it!Now is the time to become the best stenographers and case report writers out there ! Don't do shit and let everyone destroy each other !!!!!!!! Band together because the people that run this city don't give two shits about us !!!Stay safe and look out for one another like the good ole days !!!!
I can't speak to what I have not seen, and I doubt I'll every see the whole tape because the media will "edit" it. However, ask anyone who was in combat, you will hear many stories of guys shooting and not realizing they have fired the entire magazine. Its a stress related issue.
In the academy, they tried to train you to count your shots. That worked real good until my first shoot-out. It was a nice idea.
I feel sorry for this officer, because here in Cook County, it does not matter what your intentions were, its how the Democrats will spin this for every political and financial advantage they can get.
She may be overcharging, I don't know. His best bet would be to ask for a bench trial. With all of the publicity surrounding this, a jury will be pressured to convict him. Even if Van Dyke beats this, I am sure the Feds will go after him for civil rights violations. Either way his goose is cooked. I wasn't there, but like everyone else I will watch the video. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and entitled to a fair trial including Officer Van Dyke. What I find interesting and I think is a problem for him is that no one else on the scene felt threatened enough to open fire. Either way innocent people, both coppers and civilians are going to be hurt by Van Dyke's actions. Action that set us back years. Bet he didn't think of that when he opened fire.
It will be a rough time in court for the officer. Shocking video will certainly leave an impression on the jurors. And, it seems that many people are not on the side of the police in these troubling times in the first place. Don't forget, a federal juror found a police officer guilty of civil rights violations for just slapping an arrestee.
It's all about the election.
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Please advise if there will be a defense fund. I will contribute thank you Retired LEO. Thanks again
Perhaps his attorney will petition to not release the video, hence the reason for the charges being filed? Nobody but the judge wants it released, is this their only means to have it sequestered for the meantime?
SCC:
A good analogy for you: Anita Alvarez = Michael Nifong (Duke Lacrosse former prosecutor). Lots of similarities.
If the video is as bad as its reputed to be, lock him up and throw away the key. At this time in history with so many serious issues facing us a goof like this really pisses me off.
Rahm claims not to have seen the video, but had declared the officer guilty. the video will be seen worldwide in about 24 hours.
The left claims to want fairness,,,,where is it here?
PS---Fuck you Jesse!!! Fuck you Phleger!!
In the interest in a fair trial, the video shouldn't be released to the public until a verdict is rendered. But this being Chicago, who knows what will happen. Without seeing the video, I don't know what happened but again, I'm not on the jury so it's not my call.
But this will get very, very interesting.
No officer goes to work with the intent to kill somebody. The offender was armed, & drugged up. He dictated the situation, as with every other incident of late. Maybe the officer was wrong, maybe he panicked, maybe not,.... but to be charged with MURDER?!! Any one of you are a blink of an eye away from becoming a similar scapegoat. This could be YOU! Are you guys awake yet? Hello!!!
It appears the gofundme.com link has been inactivated. If you look at the sponsors of gofundme, they are all liberal media places. I called the FOP and they just found out. Hopefully they will start something.
Oh boy, not good, for anyone.
"Disgraced". Go f**k yourself Sneed. The only disgrace is that rag column you write that somehow passes for news. Now go home to your gold coast high rise or north shore suburb and bask in the safety that you are provided by police officers that risk there lives daily.
May God have Mercy upon him. We all knew someday this terrible thing would come to fruition. We didn't know who, or when, but we all knew. I just hope this PO gets a good representation...
I know also that this will cause good officers to do even less...May God Help Us.
Coppers attorney is going for surpressing video so not to taint jury pool bottom of 9th 3 men on base down 1 run strike 3 hope not! Guess of course rahms buddy Obama will not use an executive order to seal the video! Praying for the coppers everywhere that will deal with this utter mayhem! Thanks SCC for all you do to keep blue informed!
720 ILCS 5/9-1(b)(11) is an aggravating factor that makes a person eligible for the death penalty if they are already found guilty of first degree murder, even though IL no longer executes prisoners.
Don't know if the allegations are true, but they probably charged him under 720 ilcs 5/9-1(a)(1) and (a)(2)
(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another;
If you look at it from the standpoint of a mayor, what's happening makes sense.
The Ferguson and Baltimore riots happened mostly because the mobs were inflamed by a 'lack of action' by each city, with the media raving about no charges or punishment of the police officers.
So, in an effort to get out there ahead of complaints of 'inaction', our city has chosen to charge the officer just ahead of the video release. Now they can say, 'see, we DID something, we were proactive'.
I'm starting to think Anita sees the end of her career coming up fast and she overcharged our officer intentionally. This way, she does her part to satisfy the angry mob and maybe quell some of the violent response, but she knows he can't ultimately be convicted on the murder charge.
Dominic Nuccio was charged and convicted of an on-duty murder in early '70s for an incident that started at the old Franksville at Wrigley Field.
They shutdown the gofunding page is there a p.o. box or account I can donate to the Officer's bail and legal expenses??
That guy look like he was gonna vomit, now that ur on the other side of the deal--- good luck, don't get an itchy finger to everyone on the streets, if this was back in the 80s, holy shit, they would have a whole lotta cops in line behind him
C'mon, we all get it. Alvarez purposely files the wrong charges to ensure there is no conviction. Same as with Servin.
Go fund me shut down the account the family tried to set up.
Do Nothing! Ferguson Chicago style
Poor kid has no clout
No bond? How about home monitoring? The go fund me page was taken down shortly after 11 AM. A lot of negative comments and threats made. Stay fetal my friends.
First Degree Murder, must show premeditation, how are they going to show that?
No bail? Seriously?
All this stems from a 911 call, an armed individual who refused for two blocks to drop his weapon and was high on PCP. Answering a 911 call, that's as basic as you are required to do on this job. How are we going to tackle crime now when officers are going to be reluctant to even answer their calls much less be pro-active?
I haven't seen the video, so I don't know what is right and what is wrong with the shoot, but I find it hard to believe that it constitutes first degree murder AND no bond. Murderers get bond all the time. Murderers go free by posting anywhere from 50-100K. The person of interest in the Tyshawn Lee case is free by posting 100K (posted by his girlfriend after receivng a settlement from a lawsuit against a hospital).
Officer Van Dyke, no matter what you did you are entitled to a fair trial and the best defense you can get. Start by replacing Herbert, this is miles above his head. As for a fair trial, it already looks like the deck is stacked against you.
Shame on Judge Villderama, shame on the peckerhead that filed the FOIA, shame on Rahm for passing judgement after claiming he didn't see the video (bullshit), shame on Anita for overcharging, shame on the media for convicting him already (18 complaints in 14 years is NOTHING for a working officer) and shame on the judge for holding him without bail.
God Bless the police and the good people of this city, we are going to need prayers in these trying times. There is a reason why St. Jude is our patron saint as supposed to St. Michael. Policing here is a hopeless cause.
I hope he's not sacrificed for political gain.
Support his family!
See FOP 7 site
1st and 16th fuck everthing else
Don't know how to e-mail direct so I'll just leave this here.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-nypd-whistleblower-settles-lawsuit-150k-article-1.2443573
The judge says NO BOND for the officer? WTF! Even the most heinous murderer gets a bond no matter what. This officer has been tossed into the fire by Emmanuel and Anita Alverez to appease the race baiters. Fact is you could burn this cop alive in front of City Hall and you wouldn't appease these haters. Wonder if the FOP will endorse Anita for another term. Wouldn't doubt it.
No Bail!!!
Every mutt that gets pinched sure gets a bail
bond denied?
" Does she have something that justifies a charge this high or is she pandering in the face of a primary challenge from the Prickwrinkle arm of the Machine?"
Or she's just doing her job and Van Dyke 30 seconds after arriving on scene exited his vehicle and began to fire @ McDonald as he was walking away which was corroborated by a witness who observed the shooting sitting in traffic. This investigation was a year in the making.
Sometimes it just is what it is Van Dyke fucked up and the entire Department and city will suffer from the fallout .
"The officer planned to run into someone carrying a knife and high on PCP that night who displayed aggressive behavior while slashing car tires and would not follow lawful orders?"
No but he was the 4th car on the scene and when the opportunity presented itself he lit the kid up when he posed no imminent threat.
"Well, it looks as if Det. Servin is toast. The Fibune is saying he's going to get the boot from the Sup. "
Good News, He should be sitting in a cell awaiting trail along with Van Dyke.
Where's Anita's investigation of daley's nephew
Second City, I have always admired the brotherhood that CPD has. I'm a officer from a suburban department and comradity is something we are missing. Stand behind and support your brother. Nobody knows what was going through his head but him (and those of us who have been involved in shootings). The law doesn't state how many times you can shoot someone. It says you can shoot until the threat is ELIMINATED. Being involved in a shooting is scary and you're life flashes before you. Second City you need to put something together and support and stand by your fellow brother. If the other side wants to protest and march that is fine. So can the boys/girls in blue. And we are more organized. Everything is done for a vote. Well guess what we have a lot more votes than they do. We can all vote us with our family and friends can really dictate who holds office and who doesn't. SCC don't leave this copper out to hang. Let's unite and stand up for him. It's time for the thin blue line to unite.
Give us wheel guns back! Six shots instead of 16
http://www.wbez.org/news/officer-who-killed-laquan-mcdonald-lacked-crisis-training-113907
OMG....
Just curious, if you are overcharged, can't that work to your favor?
Keep in mind (fat chance) -- DASHCAM VIDEO IS INCOMPLETE, ONLY PARTIAL, DOES NOT SHOW ENTIRE INCIDENT.
Also -- OFFENDER WAS ARMED AND ON PCP. Not "allegedly," but from ME's official tox report. Remember the 20-foot rule; man with knife can close that distance and kill you before you can draw your weapon.
Also -- They are breaking off the investigation to go ahead and charge.
Also -- Rahm will skedaddle to China "trade conference," "doesn't want to micromanage."
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(720 ILCS 5/7-5) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-5)
Sec. 7-5. Peace officer's use of force in making arrest. (a) A peace officer, or any person whom he has summoned or directed to assist him, need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest. However, he is justified in using force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or such other person, or when he reasonably believes both that:
(1) Such force is necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by resistance or escape; and
(2) The person to be arrested has committed or attempted a forcible felony which involves the infliction or threatened infliction of great bodily harm or is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon, or otherwise indicates that he will endanger human life or inflict great bodily harm unless arrested without delay.
(b) A peace officer making an arrest pursuant to an invalid warrant is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the warrant were valid, unless he knows that the warrant is invalid.
(Source: P.A. 84-1426.)
I'm not a police officer, but I support and appreciate the work you guys and gals do every single day to keep Chicago safe. Thank you for everything.
As for what happens after the video is release, stay safe, and just remember that the vast majority of Chicago civilians have your back and appreciate what you do for us.
720 ILCS 5/9-1(b)(11) is an aggravating factor that makes a person eligible for the death penalty if they are already found guilty of first degree murder, even though IL no longer executes prisoners.
Don't know if the allegations are true, but they probably charged him under 720 ilcs 5/9-1(a)(1) and (a)(2)
(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another;
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According to above statute, every cop who fires his weapon in the direction of a another could be or should be charged with murder.
i support officer vandyke 100% could had been anyone of us. god bless and everybody stay safe
f-ckyou anita you piece of sh-t also i might add a dumbell too.
McCarthy magically changes his tune with Det Sevrin and indictment pops out of nowhere just before video is released.
Everyone should be sitting on there hands in the squad car and everywhere police work is done. Shut it down! Make this Baltimore. Have them beg for us to do police work.
scc;
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1st and 16th...29 and a day...wake up people!
Going fetal in one, two.....
chicago the new detroit liberal style
You guys have the rabid tone equal to Huffington Post commenters. I see nothing but wild speculation and accusations for an investigation none of you were involved in, for evidence that none of you have seen, and interviews none of you have conducted.
See the video first, then comment.
I'm withholding judgment till I see the video. If he happens to shoot the guy 16x in the back from a distance then this officer will be convicted although it may not be 1st degree.
gofundme in favor of thugs but shuts it down for a copper?? Will never gofundme anything!
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NO BOND. this happened a year ago? The officer is a danger now? point me to the fundraiser this officer is being thrown under the bus.
We will be required in the future to fire all rounds with in 3 second not 15? Or may be fire once pause and ask if the PCP goof with a knife want to give up.
And this one is for the TROLL media who think taser can stop junkies with knives! feel free to use this in court for defense.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
Even Stevie Wonder can see that they are pandering to the mob.
I love how the city has no plan... we weren told yesterday to call in at 1600 on RDO to see if our RDO is cancelled... so what, i can not do anything, go anywhere, have a beer on my RDO??? i admit i do not know as much as I should about the contract, but wouldn't that constitute "stand by". ????
The judge says NO BOND for the officer? WTF! Even the most heinous murderer gets a bond no matter what. This officer has been tossed into the fire by Emmanuel and Anita Alverez to appease the race baiters. Fact is you could burn this cop alive in front of City Hall and you wouldn't appease these haters. Wonder if the FOP will endorse Anita for another term. Wouldn't doubt it.
wtf EVIDENTLY YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE. People charged with murder along with other serious crimes are held with NO BOND all the time
That said he should be able to post bond and the judge set next Monday for another bond hearing where he will consider setting a bond. Judge should have held the total bond hearing today so he wont have to sit in county until Monday
Probably was a political thing, keep him housed to keep the animals down until at least Monday
I was listening to Dan Bernstein on the SCORE and his anti-police diatribe and how heads should roll. F**k you Bernstein.
The mayor and states attorney have sent us all a clear message. Don't take any type of proactive action anymore. From now on, I will take my time responding to calls for service and hand out reports to all. I have a few years left and will be relocating the day I retire.
Best wishes to the JV.
11/24/2015 08:16:00 AM
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This incident involves a call for service.
Disgraced Officer my ass. The only disgrace is that politicians are calling him out for political purposes.
You are citing the wrong statute SCC, 9-1(b)(11) is from the old death penalty law, which has been repealed - that was one of the aggravating factors to use at sentencing if someone was found guilty of 1st degree murder.
The first degree murder law says this:
"A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death he either (1) intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another OR (2) knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another."
720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)
Are you trying to get fetal? Because this is how you get fetal.
The judge says NO BOND for the officer? WTF! Even the most heinous murderer gets a bond no matter what. This officer has been tossed into the fire by Emmanuel and Anita Alverez to appease the race baiters. Fact is you could burn this cop alive in front of City Hall and you wouldn't appease these haters. Wonder if the FOP will endorse Anita for another term
Keep Voting Democrat
Even the Baltimore Cops got bail!!!!
WTF
No tickets from me
I won't say a lot here because this site is monitored by too many trolls. This is a great forum for cops to exchange info, intel, etc., but too many media outlets, defense attorneys and sub-par individuals troll here for insight. With that said, 1st Degree murder charges was the decision based on political fears. No matter what you think of the actions of the officer, 1st Degree murder is not a provable or sustainable charge. The only reason for that charge is an attempt to appease the politicians and to ruse the public into thinking the officer will be punished by being sent to prison for life. If I were the officer, although I would not want to be in his position, I would welcome that charge knowing full well it is unsupported and I would never be convicted of that crime. It will be the companion charges in the indictment that this officer will have to answer. I suspect he will be found guilty of one of the lesser charges solely based on public opinion and in fear of the actions of some that are expected in the black community. Having not seen the full and unedited video I reserve opinion on his actions but suspect his actions may have violated department policy therefore keeping his job is unlikely no matter what the outcome of the criminal charges. I suspect guilt on 2nd Degree/(manslaughter) or reckless homicide but only with political push. The same push that kept Vanecko out of prison will have this officer facing it.
They shutdown the gofunding page is there a p.o. box or account I can donate to the Officer's bail and legal expenses??
Really Who did that????????????
Rahm claims not to have seen the video, but had declared the officer guilty
RhamBos surrounded b free CPD security and his family too
Do you expect him to support US or even stay Neutral
the Pay back vote comes when he runs for Senate
Im not a robot
So will FLOP defend?
I still 100% back the concept that this guy deserves fair treatment, but "fair" means maybe he was right, and maybe he was wrong. At some point between "shooting to stop the threat" and "pumping lead into a guy laying on the ground motionless", it seems reasonable that the evaluation would shift from "justified" to "murder". How many shots once the threat is disabled and further shooting becomes unjustified does it take? 2 shots? 16 shots? 100 shots? How many times would a reasonable person continue shooting at a disabled threat? If shooting continues beyond reasonable, and the shooter is a cop, does he receive special treatment JUST because he's a cop? Hmm...I wonder what this guy's record looks like otherwise. Model citizen/officer? Or would that be off-limits, because taint?
Seems unfortunate though that going for first degree murder ups the ante, and a failure to convict will REALLY turn the race spigots on.
Love the pictures showing the gentle choir boy in his graduation cap and gown. How about a tactical retreat from the entire South and West side of Chicago. How about letting the knife wielding car burglar perp on PCP, knife a few people to death first.
When they Riot make sure you follow All orders and procedures
Don't engage unless told to
send up a report via radio
if directed to take action ask ...ask ...ask for clarification
confirm that youre talking with a supervisor
If outnumbered ask and wait for back up
Let Rham get the police force that he wants and deserves
Will this be the next Chicago Fire? We had the first fire, a blizzard and then the flood. I guess history does repeat itself.
Problem with a bench trial is the judge is a product of the Democrat Machine. The judge will do as ordered for political expediency.
1st and 16th, with a little theatrics along the way, my brothers.
Proudly Done With This Job since 2000.
http://www2.cookcountysheriff.org/search2/details.asp?jailnumber=2015-1124183
Divison 8 is no joke. Damn this shit just got real for him.
Welcome to Obama's America. This was all easily predictable if you knew anything about his love of Sal alinsky. Civil unrest is what he needs to project his power. Good luck Jason.
Fop already said they will not make any endorsement for states attorney because they are all shit candidates
Mayor Rahm Rahm Emanuel Says Officer Who Killed Laquan McDonald 'Had No Justification' even though Rahm did NOT EVEN WATCH THE POLICE VIDEO
Anybody find it weird that Supt. Garry McCarthy has NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS SHOOTING???
Doesn't one reporter say to Mayor Rahm Emanuel, "Let me get this straight... you did not see the police video of this shooting but you are making such strong comments against the police officer involved - when this officer's life and liberty is at stake?" HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE???
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if the city even has a plan? No orders! No days off or time due cancelled? Who is running this a liberal civilian????
Plan went out Monday night.
Who is running against Alvarez why did it take over a year to indict the officer . It sounds like many were involved in a cover up , if they can charge the officer with first degree murder .
A person high on pop , armed with a knife , refusing to drop the knife , about to turn his life around ?
I can't wait to see video .
Proof that black life of a nine year old child executed in broad day light in an alley does not matter , offender out on bond .
Now a person that was high , armed with a knife , slashing tires , like the robbery offender that fractured a police officers eye socket , attempted to disarm a police officer , he also Watson drugs , those lives matter because they divide communities . Politicians know certain voting blocks are concerned about police shootings , not to concerned about the children gunned down in alleys , schoolyards in chiraqi.
You know what, if after all of this that has happened in our country. If you still are one of those hard charging officers then you are a dummy and you deserve what you get. At work on my watch we still have idiots getting into foot chases, car chases, taser deployments, multiple trr reports, etc. Here are some examples: 1. Two idiots are fist fighting and the officers approach them. Both subjects run away. The foot patrol officers run after them. One of them is caught. The other gets away. Great job officers! 2. At a t-stop the driver refuses to get out of the car. So the officer opens the door and tases him. Great job officer. 3. An officer issues a parking ticket. The owner comes out and confronts him. She is talking shit. She takes the ticket and rips it into pieces, throws it at the squad car and walks away. The officer asks her for her id. She refuses. She tries to run into her house so the officer tackles her (a 55 year old female 1) and strikes her multiple times to gain compliance. This guy is a super idiot.
IDIOTS! DOLTS! NITWITS! IMBECILES!
Praying for all of the Chicago Police - I hope the shit does not hit the fan in the streets after the video is released. Be safe ladies and gents.
I want to thank each and everyone one of you and your families who over the years voted for the Daley's, Madigan's, Devine's, Mosely-Braun, Obama, Rahm Emmanuel, Quinn, st al. You helped create this. I'm praying for the policeman.
I'm calling on the make believe revrun and illegitimate father jessie jerkoff jackson to resign.
His "leadership" in the black community is lacking at best and out right deceitful at worst.
From this, is why I am the last arrive and first to go, I rather get shot then to shoot someone
They are releasing video today
already protesting
want resignation of Alverez and McCarthy
The video is being released today, SCC:
http://abc7chicago.com/1098065/
You can bring these assholes to their knee's. Everyone must stop working VRI, and any other special employment. Doing so will hurt me, too; however, it will screw the politicians and city burner reverends worse as their constituents are picked up by GSSP. Start now.
For the first time in 20 years , i am truely finished doing proactive work . You win . I quit. Laying up now
Stand down, let the city burn.
C'mon, we all get it. Alvarez purposely files the wrong charges to ensure there is no conviction. Same as with Servin.
11/24/2015 12:10:00 PM
Thought same thing. Kind of like Obama. Either you know exactly what you are doing, or you don't.
That is why you have to step up to the plate and do the right thing. As an instructor at the academy, I am appalled that the officer disregarded his training and chose to not do the right thing. If he would have done the right thing, then he would not be in this mess. Well we are going to get tasked with providing more training. You guys have to learn to be the police. And before you guys attack me, I am qualified to teach at the academy.
I will pray for all of you men and women in blue over the next few days.this is the time to think of yourselves and protect yourself and each other first and let these idiots burn this city down if need be as long as none of you or any CFD gets injured. if I had not crossed paths with 2 of you in the early 70's I would be living under a bridge and not retired and living a comfortable albeit frugal life AWAY from the cesspool you are forced to patrol. my heart goes out to all of you
He will need big money for this case call FOP if you want to help him out .
This has to be the most outrageous action taken by the State in history!
God bless the copper through this tough time. Know that you will prevail and remain the hero you are?
Rahm...you little weasel fuck!
McCarthy...I lost all respect and once stood in your corner.
Anita...ugh!
Stand tall CPD!
The best of the best....my hearts out to you!
CCSPD (retired)
In case anyone missed the press conference here it is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Fuck this city. Let them police themselves.
Let's start the ot $$$
The mayor wants the 17 y.o.'s legacy to live on. WTF! High on PCP and slashing car tires while refusing police orders. Great values...
Right under the bus !
sad case. Hope the officer comes out ok and his family is safe during this mad circus. Btw, who got the 5mil if he was a ward of the state? His absent mother? So dumb.
Off topic, Obama is taking away police equipment across the country.
"Outrage as military vehicles, equipment taken from officers in wake of Obama order"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/23/outrage-as-military-vehicles-equipment-taken-from-officers-in-wake-obama-order.html
Sorry Van Dyke. You are the sacrificial turkey this Thanksgiving.
I pulled out my DVD player 17 years ago.....,and look, I'm still here.
Mc Donald's family statement:
We ask for calm in Chicago. No one understands the anger more then us but if you choose to speak out, we urge you to be peaceful. Don't resort to violence in Laquans name. Let his legacy be better then that.
The legacy of being a car burglar, jacked up on PCP, and armed with a knife.
How come no one cares about the 9 yr old who was executed. Oh, he wasn't kilt by a white officer so there was no big payout. Just momma spending the go fund me money.
The Academy training SUXS!!!!!!!!!
What the F**K is wrong w that officer. 14 bullets shot while asshat was on the ground. First 2 shots are made while he's walking away. This officer is toast!
And i hate to say.... He deserves whatever he has coming. This is insane!
McCarthy has already told Rahm he's out. Rahm wants him to stay a little longer.
Watch coppers feet. He will be found guilty.
A car with four police officers rode up to me as I was wiping my vehicle's windshields and asked if I was OK, so to you on here saying stop doing any real police work, go find yourself another line of work. - a citizen.
Anonymous said...
There is a bombshell in the video. As much as it pains me to say- charge is justified.
Buckle down ladies and gentlemen. Watch your 6.
11/24/2015 02:00:00 AM
None of us truly enjoy seeing a cop bring discredit and disgrace on themselves and us all. We all suffer from it. However, it really makes me look at officers that are in severe denial when the guy is actually guilty or deserving of a charge/termination etc. and we are staunch supporters. But then we think we are better than some banger's mom declaring his innocence. I actually would rather deal with the hypocrisy of our "clients" and their denial than a cop's. I expect more from us. Say what you want. Servin should have been tossed for firing a weapon over his shoulder let alone shooting into a crowd. Most of us would clothesline an officer flagging us on the range without his finger on the trigger but now it's okay to shoot in a direction you're not looking in? I haven't seen the video yet but some of you are reaching. Officers who have seen the video are overwhelmingly not coming to his defense. What does that say? That they lack solidarity? Wrong is wrong. Badge or not. 16 rounds connected, with no one else firing, the majority of them while the suspect is on the ground and outside of any distance to harm you or anyone else. The first shots taken don't sound questionable at all. The next 13 or so I doubt have any reasonable explanation. If I'm wrong, I will admit. I doubt that is the same for those of you championing this cause.
Tueller Drill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
Anonymous said...
Rahm saw that video. It's called "distancing". This way if shit goes bad for the prosecution he can say he never saw the video (again). 3 shots or 16, lethal force is lethal force. Ram's advisors are trying to avoid the Baltimore Mayor's mistakes. If (when) the riots happen, protect yourselves and your family. Keep them inside and out of the wrong parts of town until this is over.
11/24/2015 04:52:00 AM
I would hate to be on any use of force paper of yours. In case you're not aware of this: you can lose it all if you took 2 shots and only 1 was justified. Each shot/punch/strike/ kick/slap whatever force you want/need to use has to be articulated as reasonable.
the video is crazy. it makes no sense. what the hell was he thinking? he was actually reloading until told to cease. any chance he has a mental issue?
Anonymous said...
The judge says NO BOND for the officer? WTF! Even the most heinous murderer gets a bond no matter what. This officer has been tossed into the fire by Emmanuel and Anita Alverez to appease the race baiters. Fact is you could burn this cop alive in front of City Hall and you wouldn't appease these haters. ++++Wonder if the FOP will endorse Anita for another term. Wouldn't doubt it.++++
11/24/2015 01:09:00 PM
Why start shit? I'll bet you have worked your whole career 10-99. Run for office if you can do a better job.
Black Americans refusal to take to task those elements within their community that riot and burn in an orgyastic tantrum do nothing but further resentment and racism from outside their community. It is pathetic and paints Black America in a poor light when the greater community has an ever present worry of the violence and destruction from upsetting this specific group. It is akin to an entire family walking around on eggshells because mom or dad hand out beatings when they get drunk and mad. How can you expect people to view your community seriously if it throws tantrum like petulant children. What other group riots when it views itself being treated unequally? Did the Gay riot before they got democrats to allow them to marry. Did social conservatives riot because the Gay and democrats forced somthing unwanted down their throat(pun intended)? How patronizing is it that this behavior is expected? How low are our expectations of The Black community that we accept this? Acceptance of a thing is condoning a thing. Decent Black people need to take steps to get their house in order by coming out en mass and marching against the rioters by standing to protect property from being destroyed. Community leaders need to be in the thick of it and standing with the police and for law and order instead of continuing to stereotype police and spread prejudice against a few bad members of an otherwise admirable group or accept the lable of hypocrite. Shame on black leaders. Shame on a community that needs leaders to beg them not to destroy and loot and burn.
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You, or the people you speak of, view all black people in a bad light because of the actions of a few.
This same argument is used to undermine the "good police officers" compared to bad ones.
I don't fear or hate muslims, even though I see and am told that they are bad and are terrorists. "Good" muslims are not responsible for the extremists in their religion. They are told they should be, but in reality the shouldnt and aren't. I also don't fear white men, who actually have committed the most domestic terrorism over the last 15 years in this country. White people as a whole aren't responsible OR HELD ACCOUNTABLE for those actions. As they shouldn't be. I am not responsible for the actions of black people who fuck up. No other race is responsible for the fuck ups in theirs, so why should I be with mine? I know why they're fuck ups, most people do. Lots of people also don't want/like to admit that they know the real reason why those people are really fuck ups. So be it.
People are racist. People give in to stereotypes. People racially profile. That has been the norm since this country was founded. It doesn't hurt me. It's just the way this country is. Oh well.
Just reviewed the video. Not good. Consider this guy gone and protect yourselves.
I don't know any fetal people in prison. I'M DONE !!!
Guys dont get involved in this shit. Back each other up but thats it Things arent bad enough but we also have to deal with the gangster ran neighborhoods that refuse to raise their children decent, teach them decent, hold them accountable for their actions. Fuck 'em. I mean it, fuck 'em. Do what you have to do to get paid and get the fuck out of those districts as soon as you can. Even better, if your young enough and have something else on the ball, then quit. It isnt going to get better, only worse.
I mean look at some of the shit asses they hire? Look at the terrible hoods they throw you in? And one mistake you make, depending on your clout, and your gone. Maybe even prosecuted. Is a mail mans pay really worth it?
The city is going to burn tonight. The gangs will use their Obama phones to organize riots, probably targeting pharmacies "all in the name of some kid whose name they cant even spell". Dont get hurt over this shit. And try and stay near cover cause these assholes will shoot.
Coppers are discriminated against.
Stay safe
Why are any politicians opening their mouths? Lt it run the legal course.
"Decent Black people need to take steps to get their house in order by coming out en mass and marching against the rioters by standing to protect property from being destroyed."
Go and march yourself. I'm kind of busy going to work, taking care of my family and spending my free time either helping with stuff around our church or juggling military responsibilities. There won't be rioting by my house and God have mercy (my earnest prayer) and prevent ANYONE from attempting to illegally enter my home or inflict any harm upon my household. I think you know what is waiting on the other side of the door for that foolish man/woman. My kids are loved and nurtured, doing well in school and have manners that humble me. My wife made me blow a gasket today but I'm not leaving her. We're sticking it out for better or worse. I kind of think my house is in order. I guess I have to break it to you: there is no such thing as the black community. I've told other black people this to there dismay and now I'm telling you. You can't trace black people to anything homogeneous, except a continent with 50 some countries. That's like saying the European community. I guess Russia and Italy has the same culture.
I watched the video and "An attacker armed with a knife can close a distance of at least 21 feet, perhaps more, before a defender armed with a firearm can react, draw, fire and stop them. This is true of the average person armed with a knife, not a trained martial artist. Therefore, virtually anyone holding a knife within 21 feet represents a potentially lethal threat"
The video is out on the Tribune. Perp clearly had a weapon out, and running erratically. I guess a guy desperately trying to turn his life around runs down the middle of a major thoroughfare with a weapon out. That is just the way it is done per Mary Mitchell.
No way first degree. Alvarez on witch hunt.
This charge and the video is clearly a setup to cause a conflagration.
Another Baltimore style justice, Obama style.
I'm sure Alvarez wet bed pants on this one.
I guess having a deadly weapon refusing an officers lawful order to drop it has has no control utinh factors.
First degree murder my ass!! Just watched it on youtube. He was walked angled away from them but in an angled away direction of the unit that pulled up behind van dyke. This fuck could've turned towards that next unit at any time. Or thrown that fuckin knife at any of them. Clearly in a fucked up state of mind. Offender never let go of the knife and didn't stop moving until the final shot. 16 shots was excessive but who knows what else this fuck had on him or could've done with that knife while on the ground.
Phil Nucvio was convicted of manslaughter for the Franksville incident. I was there.
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No Bond when he's clearly not a flight risk. Fuck you Alvarez, your political machinations have completely subverted the office you hold.
I am retired. And in view of all the politics involved here, as soon as I can sell my house, I am moving to a red state.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is a bombshell in the video. As much as it pains me to say- charge is justified.
Buckle down ladies and gentlemen. Watch your 6.
11/24/2015 02:00:00 AM
If you really are a cop, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Whoever your FTO was, should be fired.
Police officers are now being charged with crimes that would not be crimes if they were not police officers.
It would be a shame if most of the department came down with the blue flu when the riots break out. I would rather be home with the flu than put my life on the line.
This guy has good coverage of Chicago and Minneapolis. Minneapolis may blow tonight because to too few police.
https://youtu.be/pXbuP19AWDM
All police officers better learn from this and the other charged officers. Your boss, chief, mayor and ASA will not have your back. Don't let them kid you! Just sit back and proactively collect your govt check. From a retired proactive 13th district copper. Stay safe
I just saw the video. Not nearly as grisly as I was anticipating. This whole thing has made me sick to my stomach though. I see no wrongdoing in this video. The thug had a knife in his hand and walked up on a squad car. If you watch closely, he even takes a step in the direction of the officer before he guns him down. What the hell is he suppose to do? Wait until he gets close enough to stab him before he opens fire? F this job! F this city! If you thought I was a dogass before, just wait and see how little I do now. Why the hell would I want to be proactive in light of this video. Baffles my mind when I see hardchargers racing to calls to help out a shit head calling on another shit head. Shame on anybody involved in this video getting released. A shit head with a knife and PCP in his system was killed....ummmm.... Ok?
Thanks for all your support Gary and rhambo, I'll be sure to work extra hard in light of you screwing over 2 cops this week. You both sicken me and I laugh everyday when I see my name on the A&A sheets, because I don't do and will continue to not do a damn thing even remotely considered proactive
2 years left, but who's counting. No matter what the police do it's wrong. This country no longer makes since. What's up is down and down is up. The police are bad, but black lives matter. WTF???
Is it not a safety issue to house him at Cook County Jail?
I’m not seeing anything egregious in the video. I see a drugged up punk swinging a shiny object back and forth and it looks like the cops told him to stop and he swung around. I have zero doubt they thought he had a gun. Shoot or be shot. Where is the supposed horrible stuff that brought people to tears?
They deployed the taser @5:31
He does have a shinny object in his right hand
He’s shot @5:35
4 seconds to make a life or death decision
He is shot again while on the ground @5:46, but seems to jerk his hands up in front of him just prior in attempt to point something at the officers (the one kicks it away).
1st degree murder? WTF.
After all of the hype I was expecting to see a clear cut case of murder, like the guy was on his knees with his hands up. This doesn’t even rise to the level of Walter Scott. I think Anita Alvarez (state attorney for Cook County) has lost her marbles.
I would have preferred to hear the commands, but I predict upon a quick perusal no conviction.
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