Whoa Whoa Whoa....
- Dozens of school districts in Ohio now allow teachers who have conceal-carry permits to pack heat on the job.
In several cases, boards of education have been pressed into adopting the policy by parents concerned about school shootings in the wake of the 2012 shooting at a school in Newtown, Conn. While an exact number of Buckeye State districts now allowing teachers to have guns in the classroom is not known, there are at least 40, according to Joe Eaton, director of FASTERsaveslives.org, a program affiliated with the Buckeye Firearms Foundation which sponsors training for teachers from the school districts.
“The sad thing is that time is these situations in the most important factor,” Eaton said, “and waiting for outside help is just not a viable solution anymore.”
Wait, you mean that tag line we've had on the right hand side about, "When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away" is an accurate reflection of reality? Who would have thought that? Besides someone with a brain we mean.
- “Safety of our kids should not be a controversial issue. This is not about guns,” Jim Irvine, also with FASTERsaveslives.org and the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, said. “For nearly 60 years, not one student has died from a fire. That is due to a redundant, overlapping approach to safety.
“We should be copying that same method for incidents of violence in our schools," Irvine added. "You need something that is effective. Show us another method and we would invest in it.”
And here's something amazing we discovered - this can apply across all sorts of situations.
- A shooter in a theater;
- A shooter on a military base;
- A shooter in a concert venue;
- A shooter in a stadium
You know, this could actually catch on.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:21 AM
32 Comments:
When juvi arrests matter, the 022nd dist Tact team is only minutes away. Rolling deep, with 11 officers to jump on paper. But I will give the wagon a pass on this. But 2205, go back to the parks tough guy.
This is a great idea who's time has unfortunately come.
More is needed than marksmanship and rules of engagement. For example, we have FIRE DRILLS periodically in every school. In a real fire most kids would follow the drill and evacuate the school without incident.
What is also needed is a INTRUDER EMERENCY DRILL where the teachers gives a signal like hand over mouth to silence everyone, lock the classroom doors, everyone down on the floor.
But, if shots are fired and on the first floor be prepared put kids out the widows if that gets kids out of harms way.
Check out the article, then scroll down to the page to see the New York Police Dream Garage. OMG! Continental Kits and Woodies!
Liberalism = Mind Rot.
The Israelis learned early and quickly
to arm teachers and school staff.
Mindless Libs says:
"Why can't we be like "Yerp"
and not have any guns at all?"
Nothing but lefty hand-wringing and eye-wetting
in hope that reality does an about face and goes away.
Get mean.
Get mad.
Learn to fight.
Then learn how to fight dirty.
Get a handgun.
Get a shotgun.
Get a rifle.
Become proficient in the use, handling
and general maintenance.
Have a secure place for them.
Don't be a sheep.
Except where an NFL team is playing. They don't want cops to have their guns there.
The ONLY problem is....have you seen some of these teachers at CPS ? Things may go sideways in this city
...not to mention:
-A shooter in a church;
-A shooter in a restaurant;
-A shooter in a mall/store;
-A shooter in an office building;
-A shooter on a train/platform;
-A shooter at a public park;
And of course, the best one of all:
-A shooter on the way to/from ANY of these places.
Interestingly, this amounts to just about everywhere. And libs would STILL call an innocuous-looking and acting guy like me "paranoid" if I CCW'ed (along with mace, a knife, and two spare mags) to any of them. Oh well, I've been called worse and haven't burned down any buildings in retaliation yet.
Sox Park, the Stadium, the track, Ryan Stadium and a number of other venues do not allow anyone, including police, to carry inside. In light of recent events, they may want to rethink that policy.
If you are thinking of complaining that I am outing these places, think again. I am stating the obvious. The bad guys already know about it. They do their homework.
It's about time!
It will not apply to shooters in an NFL Stadium.
The NFL does not even allow off-duty police to carry.
The socialists hate guns, unless it's they that have all the guns to control the rest of the population they want to enslave. Never trust those commie bastards. Never. They are sick, evil people that are wolves in sheep's clothing. And they are all to be found in the democratic party.
Didn't any of the venues attacked in Paris have gun free zone signs? I'm sure the attackers would have turned right around and left without harming anyone if only there had been gun free zone signs. Or should they be called "free fire zone" signs or maybe "helpless victims within" signs.
Sorry wouldn't work in Chicago. Our teachers are far too liberal to even want to carry firearms.
"Sorry wouldn't work in Chicago. Our teachers are far too liberal to even want to carry firearms."
Let alone know which end of the gun the bullet comes out of.
There could be a thousand incidents in which a school employee prevents bad things from happening but the media would try not to give them publicity but let one school employee do something stupid with a weapon outside of the school environment and it would be front page news and the lead story on the 10:00 PM news.
UMMM...IL Law REQUIRES every school including private schools to perform lock down drills. Just like fire and severe weather drills, lockdown/active shooter drills are mandatory.
Years ago not a day went by without some one I know saying "You're kidding! You brought your gun here?"
Last weekend was the first time I heard "You're packing, right?" How times have changed.
Sox Park, the Stadium, the track, Ryan Stadium and a number of other venues do not allow anyone, including police, to carry inside. In light of recent events, they may want to rethink that policy.
If you are thinking of complaining that I am outing these places, think again. I am stating the obvious. The bad guys already know about it. They do their homework.
Sox Park? The Stadium? Do you want to step out of the mid-60's and join the rest of us, here in 2015?
dear anonymous 16.00
We already do .
For Christmas this year I'm getting both my kids the concealed carry course and certificates to the range to stay sharp. I bought them each a handgun years ago to keep in their homes and always taught them to respect a firearm. I've been retired for a few years but I'll tell you what, if I was still on I wouldn't be giving a hard time to anyone legally carrying. I've been around a long time and I gotta say that this world/country is going in a scary direction. Chances are when the shit hits the fan here odds are it will be someone legally carrying that shoots back at the offender, not an officer. We can't be everywhere. You young coppers remember that if you feel the need to give one of these law abiding citizens a hard time for packing. You know damn well you'd be too these days. And if your doing the same for your family, keep them sharp and send them to the advanced courses too.
"The Israelis learned early and quickly to arm teachers and school staff."
11/18/2015 01:27:00 AM
"A spokesperson for the Israeli Foreign Ministry told the New York Daily News that this was simply wrong. "We didn’t have a series of school shootings, and they had nothing to do with the issue at hand in the United States. We had to deal with terrorism," he said. "What removed the danger was not the armed guards but an overall anti-terror policy and anti-terror operations which brought street terrorism down to nearly zero over a number of years.” The spokesperson added, “It would be better not to drag Israel into what is an internal American discussion."
"Israeli gun laws...are much stricter than America's gun laws. This may help explain why Israeli gun ownership is just one thirteenth of what it is in the U.S. To bring that number into focus, it would likely be even lower if not for mandatory military service, which means Israelis are more likely to be familiar with guns. Israel's unique security challenges and its periodic bouts with terrorism would also seem to bolster an NRA-style case for allowing more privately owned guns so that more citizens can defend themselves. And yet, there are far fewer guns in private citizens' hands, and far less gun crime.
"So why does Israel look more like gun-controlling Britain than gun-loving America? Why are Israel and the U.S. near opposite extremes among Western nations when it comes to gun laws? "Israel has well-known security concerns, but it limits security to the professionals." Whereas American laws privilege free access to guns and then restrict them from there, Israeli laws..."are designed to keep amateurs from carrying guns in the street -- even amateurs who have served 3 years in the army.
"Israel limits gun ownership to security workers, people who transport valuables or explosives, residents of the West Bank, and hunters. People who don't fall into one of those categories cannot obtain a firearm permit. Moreover, Israel rejects 40 percent of firearm permit applicants, the highest rejection rate in the Western world [and requires] yearly (or more frequent) permit renewals to insure that the reasons are still applicable."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/12/28/israeli-gun-laws-are-much-stricter-than-some-u-s-gun-advocates-suggest/
No matter. Our country, our culture, our laws. We can find our own way, and deal with our own problems as is appropriate.
"Didn't any of the venues attacked in Paris have gun free zone signs? I'm sure the attackers would have turned right around and left without harming anyone if only there had been gun free zone signs. Or should they be called "free fire zone" signs or maybe "helpless victims within" signs."
11/18/2015 08:31:00 AM
I have thought about this for a while -- now I must say it. The latest Charlie Hebdo cover is one of the saddest, most lemming-like, abject, pathetic productions I have ever seen.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/17/charlie-hebdo-cover-they-have-weapons-we-have-champagne/75916552/
Your murdered husband, wife, child, lover, friend isn't drinking any champagne. They're just dead.
"Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms, citizens
Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows"
-- La Marseillaise, French national anthem
Got a better ring to it, don't you think?
Sorry wouldn't work in Chicago. Our teachers are far too liberal to even want to carry firearms.
Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. Just had a conversation with a fellow teacher about signing up for concealed carry training..
What is also needed is a INTRUDER EMERENCY DRILL where the teachers gives a signal like hand over mouth to silence everyone, lock the classroom doors, everyone down on the floor.
We do have this. It's called a lockdown drill. One problem is that our doors lock on the outside, so we have to step into the hallway to lock it. If there was a real intruder, we just have to pray that we can lock and close the door before the intruder gets in. If we were ever in that situation, it sure would be nice to have some chance of defending ourselves.
Trump on Paris: 'If 25 People in there had Guns, It Would've Been a Totally Different Story'
From pre-WWII: "If every Jew in Europe had a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition and the willingness to use it there would not have been a Holocaust."
http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/
"Sox Park? The Stadium? Do you want to step out of the mid-60's and join the rest of us, here in 2015?"
11/18/2015 04:20:00 PM
If it involves the instant, on-demand erasure of living memory, the immediate rewriting of local history and casual daily vernacular, and absolute, total perfection conforming to your breathless personal standards regarding up-to-the-minute for-profit corporate renamings, he probably doesn't.
Neither do I, for that matter.
Enjoy your "2015" -- which, after all, was crafted just for you, you, you.
"There'll be Spandex jackets for everyone..."
Snot.
Anonymous said...
What is also needed is a INTRUDER EMERENCY DRILL where the teachers gives a signal like hand over mouth to silence everyone, lock the classroom doors, everyone down on the floor.
We do have this. It's called a lockdown drill. One problem is that our doors lock on the outside, so we have to step into the hallway to lock it. If there was a real intruder, we just have to pray that we can lock and close the door before the intruder gets in. If we were ever in that situation, it sure would be nice to have some chance of defending ourselves.
11/18/2015 08:39:00 PM
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I am really sick of seeing all of these signs plastered on business windows, the red circles with a line through it, and a Beretta in the center.
I carry a Beretta at work, so I can't enter those places.
Fortunately, a carry my snubby off duty, so I'm fine then.
I am a retired CPD Officer who used to work for a company that had a contact with several NFL teams to chauffeur NFL Teams Onwers coming into Chicago to play the Bears. When I would meet the owners ALMOST All THE OWNERS would ask if I was armed. When I would tell them THAT I COULD BE ARMED, they all said I want you armed. When I would tell them that the NFL rules stated no one armed except for uniform police officers every owner would say something to the effect, don't worry I'll take care of any problems. The NFL rules are no guns except for uniform police officers. No guns for fans or any employees of the teams. In the several years I did this no one question me. In fact the former owner of the Cleveland Browns who was one of the world's richest men had several retired Secret Service as his body guards for him and his family were not armed when they would enter the playing stadium. They would keep their guns locked up. They had no problem with me being armed
Snot.
11/19/2015 12:53:00 AM
I wasn't going to bother responding to the wank. Well said.
Snot.
11/19/2015 12:53:00 AM
I wasn't going to bother responding to the wank. Well said.
11/19/2015 05:13:00 PM
Get bent, both of you. I was born in the late 60's. I remember Sox Park, and then going back to it being called Comisky in the 70's. I had season tickets at the Stadium. It's been gone since 1994 (sadly). If you want to call the Allstate Arena the Rosemont Horizon, that's fine, but the Blackhawks and Bulls play at the United Center, and the Sox play at what was New Comisky Park, now U.S. Cellular Field....and no one goes to the track anymore.
....and no one goes to the track anymore.
11/20/2015 12:52:00 AM
Ha, ha. You are easy.
Anonymous said...
....and no one goes to the track anymore.
11/20/2015 12:52:00 AM
Ha, ha. You are easy.
11/20/2015 05:57:00 PM
Maywood Park closed last month, I wonder what they will do with the land.
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