Sunday, December 06, 2015

Mope-rah Stirs the Pot

Here's one media type who is just praying for a riot:
  • I don’t know how any white person could look at the video of a Chicago police officer shooting Laquan McDonald and think the 17-year-old deserved what he got.

    Please, explain that to me.

    Because whenever I hear a white person say what happened to McDonald was horrible, then add: “McDonald should have dropped the knife,” I cringe.
Because the truth hurts we guess. While the rest will be sorted out in a court of law, the sad fact remains that if there is no knife, no burglarizing cars, no frantic 911 calls, no stabbing squad cars, well....no shooting.

But Mopey doesn't stop there:
  • Since when did it become acceptable for police officers to use deadly force against someone who is not posing a threat to the officers or anyone else?
Um...knife is a threat Mopey. All the books, scenarios, case law, etc say so.
  • What happened to using Tasers?
Um...none on the scene and not 100% effective. Not only that, every police district is lucky to have one per two-man car due to maintenance, lack-of-training, etc, but you wouldn't know that unless you actually researched it, would you?
  • And were patrol officers so out of shape they couldn’t detain a teen armed with a 3-inch knife?
And there goes Mopey with the fat-shaming of the entire CPD - this is what passed for opinion journalism nowadays.

Mopey, you ignorant slut.

We'll make the offer that has been made before to Mopey:
  • We will supply you with a vest, radio, and hat (can't forget the hat!). We will provide you with a duty rig with handcuffs, OC spray, Taser, baton (wood or metal) and a fully loaded 9mm weapon of your choice in a retention holster...a full 20 pounds of equipment, give or take a few.

    We will give you the Illinois Compiled Statutes regarding Deadly Force situations along with the CPD Use of Force order and the Use of Force model. We'll supply you an Academy instructor to sound out the longer words and a qualified lawyer to explain the legal mumbo-jumbo.

    Then, on a dark road or alley of our choosing, we will await your arrival with a 3-inch folding knife. To win, you have to successfully disarm and handcuff us using the tools at your disposal within 30 seconds or you lose. You cannot violate the law or the CPD policy or you lose. You cannot use excessive force or put the cuffs on too tightly or we will complain and you lose. We will even sign a waiver that if you get a bullet into us, we won't complain...but you still lose.

    Oh, and if we stab you, you lose, too. If we stab you more than once, well, those are just the risks you take.
Here's a bit of advice - bet on the out-of-shape copper. You couldn't do this job on a bet. And your ignorant posturing makes you part of the problem.

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    160 Comments:

    Anonymous 11th Dist King said...

    Oh god, please go away you ignorant lady. Walk the walk, see how it is on the other side.

    12/06/2015 12:30:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    How about getting that media day going at the Academy again? Better yet, let's send them over to Near-North and play out scenarios with simunition! I actually fantasize about that.

    12/06/2015 12:32:00 AM  
    Anonymous Thurston Howell III said...

    Look, I don't think this Moprah person understands your predicament when you drive through some of these "neighborhoods".

    I myself do not like to drive through, but when I do, I am riding with a lot more than some Grey Poupon in the car - if you know what I mean.

    Egads, this Moprah sounds like she is the Gilligan of Journalism and I would not want her as an Officer of the Law.

    Now Lovey, where did I park the Rolls?

    12/06/2015 12:43:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I don't know why nobody mentions that this asshole was never actually being detained by civilians. He was swinging a knife at the people who initially dialed 911 when they were trying to yell at him to leave the cars alone. They were met with growling and knife swinging. Both stated that he was swinging it with intent to seriously injure or kill. I'd love to hear the radio traffic after the initial interaction with the first unit.

    12/06/2015 12:46:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The paper doesn't match the video. You could write paper like Shakespeare. But if there's video proof, and you're lying, you're doomed.

    The other cops on the scene tried to help Van Dyke out in their reports but may end up ruining their careers and hurting their families. The only obligation you have is protect yourself and your family.

    12/06/2015 12:47:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Comrade RAHM an his cronies are shifting the blame its in full swing for his per-relection cover up of MCDonald shooting Anita and the police will be left holding the bag Prinwinkle and RAHM WILL WIN

    12/06/2015 12:54:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hey SCC Moprah's response was almost as quick as Lisa Madigan's why isn't the head prosecutor for the state on the political hot seat for the 14 month delay regarding charges in the McDonald slaying? HMMM.....

    12/06/2015 01:01:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Pants-Up Don't-Loot!

    12/06/2015 01:04:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    That is so dead on and to the point that I thank you. It should be required reading for every person as part of the "constitution test" phase of high school.

    12/06/2015 01:09:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Very well said. Bravo

    12/06/2015 01:12:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Armed with a knife and high and PCP. Yeah just walk right up to him and grab him , right has he slashes your throat. Great idea you dumb repulsive bitch.

    12/06/2015 01:17:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hey, Hey, U Guys extend that offer to Gail too! Don't want any body left out. Throw in Mary Mitchell and that alley would be SOOOO crowded with volunteers to get a piece of that.......

    12/06/2015 01:23:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Betting the gun wouldn't even clear the holster.................

    12/06/2015 01:27:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Don't forget to add under the influence of PCP to the list..

    12/06/2015 01:58:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The bosses here at HQ are scrambling and brainstorming regarding witness officers To-Froms in the JVD case. They are thinking long-term and wondering how to do damage control if JVD is found not guilty. If that is the case they have every intention to fire every officer that submitted reports that contradicted the video. RULE 14 VIOLATIONS across the board boys and girls. They've already downloaded your vehicles GPS and have requested that Caboodle records not be deleted to help coroborate their case against the witness officers. Things are going to get really ugly.

    12/06/2015 02:30:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Officer Van Dyke will be found not guilty, and will not be indicted by the Feds..

    "A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non dangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force."

    — Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]

    Laquan McDonald was burglar armed with a knife. He fled the police, resisting arrest while threatening pursuing officers with said knife. He was an immediate threat to the officers and public safety. The officers had an immediate sworn duty to stop the threat and arrest the offender. The officers had no duty to retreat, and no duty to meet Laquan McDonald's threat of deadly force with lesser force. Case closed.

    12/06/2015 02:41:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Not sure I agree with 100% of the post but I don't need to. The fact is that when reporters and other civilians have been invited to take part in shoot/don't shoot training they invariably come away with a whole new understanding. In all seriousness, they need to get that invitation.

    As for this incident, I don't know if I would have shot. But that does not mean it was necessarily improper, either. Monday morning quarterbacks need to know that officers must make split second decisions on the spot that need to be reviewed from that perspective and not from a sanitized ivory tower.

    12/06/2015 03:21:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    SCC: This editorial is worth a separate post. FINALLY someone says what needs to be said.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    KENOSHA NEWS EDITORIAL:
    OUR VIEW: How not to react to a traffic ticket

    Veronica King, president of the local chapter of the NAACP, had her day in court Wednesday in a dispute over a speeding ticket.

    The result was a reduction of the obstructing justice charge originally issued after she ignored warnings from a police officer, but she was still convicted of speeding and impeding traffic by disobeying a police officer.

    And she was scolded by the judge.

    And her statements in court reinforced the impression given by the original police report that she acted irresponsibly in numerous ways.

    And she no doubt disappointed anyone who should have expected her to model appropriate behavior in interactions with police.

    King was issued a speeding ticket on Sept. 13 for driving 44 mph in a 25 mph construction zone. Officer Nicholas Benvenuto of the Kenosha Police Department said she was uncooperative when she found out she would get a ticket, not a warning. He said she got out of her vehicle, and said “I don’t have to listen to you.”

    Benvenuto said he warned her more than eight times to get back into her vehicle, a van that was being used to transport special-needs adults. When she refused, she was arrested.

    In court Wednesday, witnesses backed up the police officer’s account and said King had shouted at the officer and acted inappropriately.

    Pleasant Prairie Municipal Judge Richard Ginkowski was critical of King for her behavior in court, including interrupting her own attorney, and for statements she made that he described as “incredible.”

    “Some of the testimony was not reasonable and it didn’t make sense,” Ginkowski said.

    King, 53, said she didn’t get back into the van because of her arthritis. She said she couldn’t have been speeding because, at 4-feet-11 inches tall, her feet couldn’t press that far on the pedal. If either of those things were true, she shouldn’t have been driving a transport van.

    People contest speeding tickets all the time. It’s usually done in municipal court, however, not on the street by shouting at a police officer.

    King’s actions were almost the exact opposite of what a responsible person should do in her situation. No parent would instruct a new driver to respond that way to a police officer after a traffic stop. For a person in authority with an organization that sometimes is a liaison between the police and the minority community, it was beyond irresponsible.

    12/06/2015 03:29:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    And your ignorant posturing makes you part of the problem.

    Thank You and fantastic insight.

    Here is whole problem in one sentence

    To bad a paid journalist or reporter couldn't do it right ?

    12/06/2015 04:26:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Thank you SCC

    12/06/2015 04:38:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Well, whenever I hear a black person defend McDonald's actions I cringe. I guess we're even, but I don't need it explained to me.

    12/06/2015 05:37:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Preach it, SCC!

    12/06/2015 06:20:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Fabulous and accurate response SCC.

    12/06/2015 06:44:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Wow. Best thread you ever started, SCC. I will print and post everywhere.

    12/06/2015 06:44:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So many critics make noise. But unless you have done this job you will never know what it is like out there. Oh and in the medias eyes we are always wrong. Stay safe.

    12/06/2015 06:55:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I wouldn't expect a person that hasn't gone through Taser certification to know this, but Taser doesn't recommend using their product in deadly force situations. If we use a Taser against someone who's exhibiting the potential for great bodily harm or death, then we are actually going against our training and rules. The same training and rules that have passed legal muster. Tasers are a great addition to our police "tool belts," but they are not perfect weapons and they certainly do not work every time for a number of different reasons. Plus, something that I haven't seen pointed out yet regarding the McDonald shooting is that since he was under the influence of PCP, if he did get tasered, he might very well have been at risk for Excited Delirium. Then the uproar would have been, "Why did the police use a Taser on him? Couldn't the police have just used Steven Seagal hand-to hand combat to disarm him. Or used a rolled-up magazine like Jason Bourne and knocked the knife out of his hand?"

    Unfortunately for Laquan, he didn't just drop the knife for whatever reason. If he did that one simple thing, he probably would've been tackled to the ground, handcuffed, and taken to the nearest hospital for a psych evaluation based on his odd behavior.

    12/06/2015 06:59:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Miami Beach PD just had to put down some shaven-headed, shirtless maniac. Said he had a bomb, robbed a bank, then ran into a nearby barber shop and came out waving a straight razor. Guy who shot the video says "Police tried to talk him down but he wouldn't listen."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347560/Dramatic-footage-shows-shocking-moment-Miami-Beach-police-shot-killed-shirtless-man-suspected-bank-robbery.html

    You won't hear another word about this -- because the offender was white.

    12/06/2015 07:07:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The adoption of UN use of force rules are coming. Obama will want it on a national level for all police depts. in the US.

    12/06/2015 07:14:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    This "pocket knife" did puncture a tire right?

    12/06/2015 07:15:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "And were patrol officers so out of shape they couldn’t detain a teen armed with a 3-inch knife?"

    I keep my "3-inch knife" so sharp you can shave with it.

    Ever smelled the blood on that green tile in an emergency room on a hot summer night as the place gets really busy? I'm specifically thinking of the old Billings.

    Mary Mitchell has no sense. Don't waste too much time on her.

    12/06/2015 07:15:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Well said. That about sums it up. If theses libs think they could do it better, take the test and belt up.

    12/06/2015 07:25:00 AM  
    Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

    What Adrenalin (not to mention PCP) Can Do --

    Armed teenager running toward school shot by police officer

    Published December 05, 2015 Associated Press

    "KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Wichita police say a black 17-year-old who was shot by a white police officer as he ran with a gun toward a high school gymnasium was a documented gang member who was registered as a student at the school.

    "A 20-year veteran of the police department fired several shots at the unnamed teen...after the youth ignored repeated warnings to stop.

    "The incident happened after officers stopped a pickup truck as it was pulling into the parking lot of West High School around 6:30 p.m. Friday. Officers had been watching the truck after it left a Wichita home where police were told suspects in a double homicide earlier in the week might be located.

    "Four males were in the pickup truck when it was stopped in the parking lot, and one of them got out and started running, the chief said.

    "After being shot, the teen ran for about 100 yards before surrendering to police...treated at the scene before being taken to a local hospital in critical but stable condition..."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/05/armed-teenager-running-toward-school-shot-by-police-officer/?intcmp=latestnews

    Our LaQuan was picked up in the headlights on one dash cam, running like crazy. Why? Who is to say that the night watchman back in that truck lot would not have been found later, with his throat cut?

    Rule #1 -- "You don't know what they're going to do because they don't even know what they're going to do."

    12/06/2015 07:37:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    opinion.....should he have shot the kid....maybe or maybe not, but.....the first shot was legal, a second or third, probably so.....the rest, probably too many, but....if the first shot was legal, the others were too

    12/06/2015 07:55:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I would just like to hear from those that are the "leaders" of these youts that they telling them to OBEY the law. Explain to them what lawful orders are. Explain to them that selling dope, carrying a weapon (knife, gun, bat, etc) are against the law. Explain to them that there are consequences for their actions and what those consequences can be. Explain to them how they can become a good citizen.
    All the protests in the world won't change the fact that Laquan was breaking the law and putting many people in danger.

    12/06/2015 08:17:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    well said.

    12/06/2015 08:19:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Dear Oprah: If you read these comments, prepare to cringe. I'm a civilian like you. I'm white, and here goes - McDonald should have dropped the knife.

    I also said this to my two teenage sons recently, and a black friend of mine, who told me he's afraid he's going to get shot:

    1. Don't use drugs, go in public, and have a knife with you.
    2. Don't use drugs.
    3. If you are EVER stopped by a cop, know your rights, but do what he says. Even if he's wrong.
    4. If you're driving and pulled over by a cop. Put your hands on the steering wheel. If you're a passenger, put your hands on your lap. Don't make any sudden moves. Make eye contact with him. Say "hello officer". Cops are human too, they want to go home after their shift. Don't make them think you're going to kill them.

    I think if people use common sense, they will extremely reduce their likely hood of getting shot by a cop.

    Lastly, I do think the cop over reacted in shooting McDonald. He's human. But I ALSO do think the kid should have dropped the knife. He should have followed my number one or two and he'd still be alive today.

    12/06/2015 08:26:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Just when I think the lying Leftist media can't get any worse....

    they get even worse!

    I new leader in the worst Lib Leftist media is now, clearly the New York Daily News. NYDN savages Conservatives as thought criminal enemies and routinely likens regular American Conservatives to the worst Islamic terrorist mass murderers of our people.

    Check out this hideous commentary by some NYDN named of all things "Stasi" (Name of Communist East German secret police). Ms Stasi has just pronounced one of the St. Bernardino murder victims as equally evil, equally bad as the Islamic murderer because the victim posted pro NRA, pro Ann Coulter comments to his Facebook page. They're getting sick.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/san-bernardino-bloodbath-born-bigots-article-1.2456491

    12/06/2015 08:44:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    And slaughter continues unabbated in the hood.
    Just roll with the punches. No matter what changes come to the department the "community" will still provide cause for the use of deadly force.

    12/06/2015 08:56:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    How about this for a shocker?


    HB 4349 - Amends the Illinois Police Training Act. Provides that on or before January 1, 2017, the Law Enforcement Training Standards Board shall adopt rules requiring liability insurance for law enforcement officers and rules providing minimum standards for psychological evaluations for officers including, but not limited to, satisfactory psychological evaluations before serving as an officer and satisfactory psychological evaluations every 5 years. Amends the State Police Act making similar changes for State police officers. Effective immediately.

    Link:

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4349&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=92967&SessionID=88

    12/06/2015 09:00:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Special Bulletin... Ron Huberman in as next Superintendent, Rham's wunderkind trusty aide David Spielfogel as First Deputy, and the late Beatles manager Brian Epstein to head up the newly created in-car camera damage control unit.

    12/06/2015 09:01:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The media wants a race riot and by golly they are going to use whatever means needed to get it.

    I hate the media

    12/06/2015 09:03:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I have seen POs seriously injured while trying to subdue unarmed persons who are high on PCP. We can't win for losing.

    12/06/2015 09:04:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    You forgot to address the issue of wounding. Those coppers should have shot th knife out of his hand of course ....

    I tried to make the analogy if this guy was breaking into your home. All these internet media "experts" would blast away if given the chance. Would they try and wrestle the knife away from the young honor student?

    12/06/2015 09:05:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    SCC Not a cop, in the past you have gladly posted other points of view and other perspectives. As a black man who was born and raised in the projects my interactions with the Chicago Police have been varied. Bottom line it is a tough gig. No doubt. Paperwork and split second decisions. But correct is that not a choice? And regarding this case, I will say this and have no problem saying this. If you are armed and the cops are chasing you down, you deserve what is going to happen. Period. If you decide to struggle and fight a armed cop, that is your ass. Period. Also there is no such thing as one shot either to the knees. This is not TV. You got shot dead. The frustration with this case is the lies. The cops lied on the initial report, still refuse to admit that. If a regular citizen lies guess what, we get time immediately, no bond and life fucked up. Hell we lose our vehicle and its impounded for dumb shit. We expect more from the police in that matter. The other shit, hey, I have never fought or struggled with cops. Even had a gun pointed in my face. I am glad nothing happened. Have a good day and hopefully the city can get over this bullshit because it is class and race war created by the media.

    12/06/2015 09:05:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The other night I watched Chicago tonight on channel 11. Moprah and Charles Thomas of channel 7 were on the panel. They are two somewhat intelligent people who are also extremely racist and mentally ill.

    12/06/2015 09:18:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Now maybe you "on the job lawyers" can answer this: If the officer that got punched by a protester, the one Anita let go, if he didn't agree to the release, does he have a case to sue the Cook County States Attorney? We all know it was for Anita's political reasons. We all know it makes us (police) less safe. How about it? It's about time we get our case out in front of the public. Is it time for the police to begin suing?

    12/05/2015 10:49:00 AM

    ----------------------------------------------------

    Only a guess but I doubt he could sue the CCST office but should be able to sue the moron that punched him. It might take some time to get any money but, ok, "maybe", sooner or later that mutt will have some kind of income that can be garnished.

    12/05/2015 05:22:00 PM





    If the Judge or DA did something illegal or inappropriate, then they can still be held accountable. They cannot "horsetrade" political favors with elected officials and hide behind prosecutorial immunity. The incident was captured on film. His injuries we documented.

    Also, if the rumor is true that the offender is in a carnal relationship with an alderman's daughter, and that alderman illegally influenced the judicial process to protect him, that would be Official Misconduct, a felony.

    Where are the Feds? Imagine a copper trying to influence a judge or DA to get his daughter's boyfriend out of a felony!

    What does the FOP say? If Lodge 7 is too scared or too corrupt, this should be brought to the State or National Lodges. This is serious business. I know nobody wants to cross a powerful black alderman, but YOU could be next.

    12/06/2015 09:24:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Why has not the city released the radio transmissions prior to the McDonald shooting? If it was as hectic previous to Van Dykes arrival as has been portrayed then it would explain why Van Dyke might be so keyed up. I think it's actually the key to the whole case.

    12/06/2015 09:36:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Mary Mitchell Carol Marin and the other should stay in their white suburban communities and report on the women's book club or something. How many reporters have been caught recently lying so why shouldn't these two only report what they thing and not the real truth. why is the media posting a picture of this kids grammar school graduation and not a recent C.B. picture. Why don't we charge mommy who is really at fault for all of this giving up on her son for what a life of drugs see what you taught your son mommy.

    12/06/2015 09:44:00 AM  
    Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

    All Laquan McDonald had to do to avoid being shot to death by police that day is not take PCP.

    But honestly, why is it so hard for Blacks, and Moonbat Libs who all suffer from a terminal case of white guilt, to understand that you do NOT resist arrest -- ever. Doing so is really going to fuck up your day.

    Under the best conditions you're going to get a major league ass kicking in order to get you under control in and cuffs, and in the worst case -- like for not dropping a goddamn weapon when ordered to do so -- is gonna get you fucking shot, and more than likely, shot dead. As unlike in New York, Chicago Cops hit their intended target. Which would be *you*, the stupid dumb-ass who didn't listen to the cops.

    (The NYPD has the worst record when it comes to collateral damage when they fire at a suspect. I think a lot of that is do to that stupid 11# trigger spring mod from the factory 5# spring -- it's gonna screw up your aim. Thankfully, McFired never instituted that here)

    12/06/2015 09:46:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    has crime gone down since the video? nope, so far,70 shootings,14 dead..

    12/06/2015 10:09:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non dangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force."

    — Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]

    Laquan McDonald was burglar armed with a knife. He fled the police, resisting arrest while threatening pursuing officers with said knife. He was an immediate threat to the officers and public safety. The officers had an immediate sworn duty to stop the threat and arrest the offender. The officers had no duty to retreat, and no duty to meet Laquan McDonald's threat of deadly force with lesser force. Case closed.

    12/06/2015 02:41:00 AM

    Sir or Ma'am if you are not a boss you should be. I would work for you wherever you are. Your ability to summarize the incident is perfect and should be posted everywhere for everyone to see. Every asshole media website, twitter, facebook etc. I keep saying it doesn't matter if it's one, 12 or 16 the right to shoot him using the use of force model was justified. People are focused on the number of shots and not the facts.

    12/06/2015 10:23:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Seriously, GOOGLE this everyone

    "youtube caliber press surviving edged weapons"

    A bit long (1:24) and dated. Now it is recommend that the distance a knife wielding offender could kill before you draw and fire your weapon is 23 feet.

    12/06/2015 10:27:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...







    Drop the Knife

    12/06/2015 10:31:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Pants-Up Don't-Loot!

    12/06/2015 01:04:00 AM

    What? There hasn't been any looting. If you nothing that makes sense to say, say nothing.

    12/06/2015 10:34:00 AM  
    Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

    * IMPULSE CONTROL DEPARTMENT *

    "How Not To React To A Traffic Ticket?"

    How about --

    "How Not To Wait Two Whole Minutes For Your Special Order At McDonald's"

    "...after being told by the manager she would have to wait an extra two minutes, [Brandy Wooten] lost her temper and unleashed an unbelievable tirade of abuse.

    "Throughout the video Brandy talks to the manager via the camera on her phone and is asked to pull over and wait for her food.

    "The manager says: 'It doesn't matter if you record, I am being nice to you,' before asking once again for the blogger to pull over.

    "After she fails to move her car, the manager, who can be seen attempting to defuse the situation, asks a member of staff to give the customer her money back.

    "The blogger says: 'Give me my damn money for sure, you got some raggedy ass employees anyway. I don't want your motherf****** cookies anyway.'

    "She adds: 'Give me my money back, give me my motherf****** money back. I'm going to tag your ass too, I'm going to tag your ass on Facebook.'

    "The manager then turns the tables by filming the blogger on her phone, and she responds by saying: 'My name is Brandy Wooten, follow me on Facebook. The Brandy hive going up."

    "'I really do this, I'm a real blogger though honey. Where's my money, can I have my money?'

    "The video concludes with the manager giving the customer her money back as she insults her one last time and vows never to return."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345731/Drama-drive-Blogger-unleashes-unbelievable-tirade-abuse-McDonald-s-manager-told-wait-TWO-MINUTES-fresh-cookies.html

    Everyone inside the joint can be seen laughing, humoring her like the overgrown three-year old she is...

    "The Brandy hive going up!"

    Woo. We scared!

    12/06/2015 10:35:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Forest Gumps Mama said:


    Stupid is as stupid does....

    Hopefully VanDyke will be acquitted, but his Law Enforcement career is over.....

    12/06/2015 10:43:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    This case is terrible and never should of happened, the first officers on the scene should of taken action. These officers allowed McDonald to attack their police vehicle and did absolutely nothing, said they were waiting for a taser. Cowards or dogs who didn't want to be the police and the end result is an officer who over reacted because of their failed actions. The detectives apparently never watched the video and their paper is way off and hurts the officer and the other officers listed as witnesses. I would assume the justice department will have a field day with our style of investigating police related shootings. The depolicing of CPD has created this monster and now isn't the time to be the police, kill them with the pen not the sword.

    12/06/2015 10:57:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    This is exactly where the community disconnect occurs. Nothing in that video remotely matches the statements put forth by the officers on the scene. Yet, most of you are defending the actions of Van Dyke. If he felt so justified in his actions, why all the lies? That's not a different perspective, those are blatant lies. The most dangerous person out there that night wasn't Laquan McDonald, it was Jason Van Dyke. His behavior damaged us all as officers. And what has he done to the career of those who felt obligated to corroborate his lies?

    12/06/2015 10:57:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So what is Escalante's take on the officer getting beat up and the offender being let go?

    12/06/2015 10:57:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Well said

    12/06/2015 11:11:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    the liberals like to look at situations in a vacuum when it benefits them They only see the 2 seconds when the shots rang out.


    but when the police are dirty then there is a broader story, and history is brought into play, the history of the black community not trusting the police

    and what of the history of the police not trusting the black community? that's evil to even talk about. shame on me.




    but I do concede it was a bad shoot

    12/06/2015 11:19:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    at what point in time did law enforcement determine that he was under the influence of PCP? at what point in time was the officers in imminent danger of possible death or injury? at what point in time was any citizen in imminent danger of bodily harm or threat of death? Face it, it was a BAD shooting, and the possibility of more then just one officer is going to get slap for this is imminent!

    12/06/2015 11:20:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    SCC, please run with me for FOP.

    12/06/2015 11:21:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...



    Big Brother Barry will tell you tonight to

    Cower before the terrorists

    Guns are Bad and should be taken away

    San Bernardino wasn't terrorism

    Trust the Democrats to keep you safe

    There's no such thing as Radical Islam



    12/06/2015 11:22:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Knife is deadly force, NOT taser, we follow law and Cpd use of force, not emotions or use of force according to liberals, reverunds, criminals and anarchists..Knife used to almost decapitate Nicole Simpsons head and 6ft2" Goldman (in great shape) was 2.25" inches in blade length. Offender laquans was 3". WILL DEFINATELY kill you. I will take on this biggest steroids Nfl player armed this 3" knife and .I GUARANTEE you I will win. He will die. More nonsense by desk jockeys who know zero about what guns,knives,violent drugged up humans are capable of or the wounds produced by these mechanisms. Shut the fuck up and go back to your Starbucks!!! When you see these effects first hand on the street as a COP, then, maybe I'll listen to your knowledge by experience and medical/scientific fact. Until then, make sure your seat is adjusted properly while you write your "stories" for publication in our tabloid papers, and for the reveruns , keep picking up teenage whores on the west side while in your $60000 cars.blm clowns, look for a job on Monday and check in with Your parole/probation officer. This country is damn near at the bottom. Needs to be fixed NOW, DO NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT,for the sake of out children.

    12/06/2015 11:38:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    1232am......I agree with you 100 percent. I did a little search on the Internet and found an activist was put in scenarios of shoot or don't shoot....the result was entertaining....here is the link for the video.....enjoy! http://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

    12/06/2015 11:43:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    SCC u need a like and a share button

    12/06/2015 11:44:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    You know mopey got that crazy eye

    12/06/2015 11:45:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I was dreading the conversations at my neighborhood holiday party this weekend. Lots of left wingers still in the city. You would think they would have learned by now. I was shocked to find so many were in support of the officer, the vast majority in fact.

    Many were savvy enough to Google the knife attack videos available. Some were just happy to have a police officer standing between them and a guy that would have killed someone had he been allowed to continue on. Maybe the world is waking up.

    That being said, the politicians that are running things will never go that route. They will crucify the Department and the coppers involved. The vast majority of the citizens in the city believe in law and order. Do they vote?

    12/06/2015 11:47:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    We need a Dept Change in Pepper Spray,I use Sabre Foam it shoots 10 feet and they also make a foam that shoots 18 feet,I used the foam to break up a fight involving 20 people and it stopped it and they all ran away.

    12/06/2015 11:48:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I'm a 17th year veteran with the Cpd and this entire Laquan McDonald debacle doesn't look for all department members. Laquan McDonald is far from being an innocent victim here, when his egregious behavior precipitated this deadly encounter. Do we as police officers make bad decisions sometimes? Yes, but to blatantly misrepresent the truth is beyond stupid. As sworn police officers, we are held to the highest degree of standards, so when our actions contrasts these very standards, it makes us no better than the criminals we arrest. JVD may or may not be convicted of murder, but you can be assured that all the officers involved will be fired. I will never lie to cover another officers ass. My family and freedom is most paramount to me.

    12/06/2015 11:58:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    OT
    SCC did you see the Trib article in Friday Dec 4 2015 Chicagoland section.
    CPS aide gets residency waiver and CPS IG Nick Schuler writes memo that CPS and city did not want released.

    Claypool aid got residency waiver?
    Remember Schuler was CPD sgt at IAD first. Now IG for CPS.

    his memo is priceless

    12/06/2015 11:59:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The paper doesn't match the video. You could write paper like Shakespeare. But if there's video proof, and you're lying, you're doomed.

    The other cops on the scene tried to help Van Dyke out in their reports but may end up ruining their careers and hurting their families. The only obligation you have is protect yourself and your family.

    12/06/2015 12:47:00 AM

    So the paper doesn't match the video...SO WHAT. The paper was written based in the officers recollection after a traumatic incident. Studies have shown that immediately after a traumatic incident, the brain remembers what it wants to remember. It's a brain, not a video recorder. Hindsight is always 20/20. At the time they did not have the benefit of the video and even if they did, you wan the officers to describe what they saw, felt, and how they reacted not make the stuff up based on a video.
    There's a big difference when it comes to how an officer felt at the time of the shooting versus narrating a play by play based on a video.

    12/06/2015 12:14:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Didn't get back in the car because of her arthritis??? NOW I've heard everything! #DumbBitch

    --No Cop Here

    12/06/2015 12:19:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    That is the essence of it - she is part of the problem.

    12/06/2015 12:20:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Add to the "fibune" todays paper putting all coppers name on scene on front page, and who released 400 pages of reports? Everything! has this been done before? They want justice? rahm let us simpletons understand your logic? You being CEO of the city signed off on paying 5 million taxpayers dollars to McDonald family, even though his family dumped him wanted nothing to do with him, the state took control so no payment is required correct?

    rahm you waited until after election but yet giving away 5 million and you say you never seen the video correct sir? maybe your friend barry could give you an ambassadorship somewhere far away, then you can do the right thing and resign! I was no fan on garys but the right move was you,and take anita-lisa-toni down the rabbit hole! Lisa is on her bandwagon, lets see she is top law officer in this state and knew nothing about this video either?

    12/06/2015 12:26:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    All these protestors know is what they think they know period. a long time ago the dept. put some news media people thru the Shoot don't Shoot program and the majority stated that they did not realize what pressure there is to make that split second decision. I spent many years on this job and retired a few years back. We were trained that an armed offender with a knife could kill you in a split second, and for officers now who have the level 3 holster, well this could prove fatal. but you will never ever be able to persuade any judge or jury of that fact. most jurors who will be picked have already been tainted and it will be impossible to get a fair trial. but the stage has been set already, acquit Van Dyke and we will riot and wreck the city. This even has Black officers getting ready to square off with their white brothers in blue.

    12/06/2015 12:29:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    A south suburban PO (an M1 incidentally) was confronted by a elderly M2 armed with a knife, although the race of either doesn't and shouldn't matter. He was instructed by his commander to fire beanbag rounds to immobilize the offender who subsequently died. The officer who used less than lethal force was indicted and charged. Use of force experts hired by the prosecution admitted that lethal force was justified in this incident. Use of less than lethal force was apparently the wrong action to take and resulted in charges, and that lethal force would have been justified. Unbelievable that this was brought to trial but the victim, the officer, was acquitted . VD needs to get Terry Ekl on the case. This current incident resulted soley from the felonious actions of the offender and lethal force was clearly justified.

    12/06/2015 12:49:00 PM  
    Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

    While a substantial number of Britons look down upon Americans, deride us for our alleged "cowboy" and "Wild West" mentality, one will find that a population not allowed to have any actual experience with firearms is like a bunch of children when it comes to nonsense such as --

    Police officer opens fire on teen running towards his school gymnasium while carrying a gun - and manages to shoot the pistol out of his hand

    Fact -- In following up a lead on possible offenders from a double homicide, ofc. fired several shots at a fleeing armed man before the man could get into a school gymnasium full of kids. This tiny bit of the outcome occurred by the sheerest chance.

    You pathetic fools -- a lot of the time.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347769/Armed-teenager-running-school-shot-police-officer.html

    Same bunch that once described a 12-gauge pump shotgun used in a crime there as a "pellet gun," and would not post an accurate correction because it would have gotten in the way of their "We have gun control, therefore we have no crime" mythos.

    12/06/2015 12:50:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I am long retired, so I can remember all the reverends and black politicians telling the black community to ignore "the white mans law". Of course, back then if someone had shot a child, no one would go home until we caught the guy.
    Now a generation of so later, they got what they demanded. They got what they demanded, kid be cut down in the street, rich priests making more money on the dead.
    And now what do they demand? Stop the police from doing a proper job!
    I got a better idea. Stop the politicians, drug lords, media and their ilk from making the rules, and let the police do the job of protecting the kids.

    12/06/2015 01:15:00 PM  
    Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

    You know something, I wish there were a 100% reliable Make You Sit Down On Your Ass And Laugh ray gun, but you would never get the watch out of the station if there were.

    "HEY, PEOPLE! QUIT PLAYIN AROUND!"

    "Ha. Ah ha.

    "AAAAAAAAhahahaha!"

    Here comes the Mk II Model, "Make You Sit Down On Your Ass and Laugh And Crap Your Pants" ray gun.

    Naw. That would make the horseplay even worse. I know you all too well.

    So what are we to do? (Rhetorical question)

    God bless all here. Stay safe.

    12/06/2015 01:23:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scc you are full of it, I disagree with you totally.

    12/06/2015 01:44:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I see a dearth of FOIA requests by the Chicago media (or "journalists," as some may prefer) for "digital materials and video recordings of people acting like uncivilized pieces of shit, both towards the officers and towards the general public, this latter target being that which necessitated interaction with the former." How about at least a few videos in which officers are verbally and physically berated and attacked to counter the only kind of video we seem to see now? Oh yeah, those videos don't serve the media's biased agenda of whipping up a feeding frenzy with little interest in social justice or genuine progress.

    12/06/2015 01:52:00 PM  
    Blogger Emily Anderson said...

    Of course you cringe when people say "he should have dropped the knife"

    The FACT that he was wielding, and refused to drop a deadly weapon is why the Police were justified in shooting him dead. And I don't care that he was shot 1 time or 16 times or 1600 times, dead is dead.

    This city has a LOT of serious problems, the ENTIRE west and south sides are dangerous ghetto war zones where kids have to be escorted by guards to and from school on "safe passage zones", the politicians have us mired in impossible debt, we hire government employees based on race so many of them are functionally illiterate and waste vast sums of money we don't have, our roads and bridges are falling apart, section 8 vouchers are turning the suburbs into ghettos, red light and school zone cameras mail us unfair inaccurate $100 tickets, we have an UNBELIEVABLE illegal alien infestation considering we're nowhere near the Mexican border, wealthy White people are fleeing in droves, businesses are fleeing Crook County, and our pussy "republican" governor said publicly that he "CRIED" when he saw the mcdonald shooting video.

    There are LOTS of problems in Chicongo but the cops are not one of them, they risk their lives trying to police a war zone.

    One thing is certain, though. If you park your car in the city laquan mcdonald won't break into it and rob you.

    Anymore.

    12/06/2015 02:24:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    OT, but...

    Media making a big deal that the video shows no apparent "lunge." But didn't Slick Willy once offer as an excuse, "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is."?

    What is a lunge? Go back and look at the video. McD is walking a shallow angle away from the officer. Watch his feet relative to the dotted centerline. It appears that just before he was shot his path changed from angling across the line to walking along it. This happened at almost exactly the same point he came abreast of the officer.

    Is it conceivable that when a person's movement suddenly changes from increasing the separation distance to maintaining it that it could be perceived as a lunge, especially when the person is relatively near, carrying a lethal weapon, acting erratically and the adrenaline is flowing?

    The media and talking heads have an agenda and see what they want to see. The fact that they gloss over details is on them. We should be better than that.

    12/06/2015 02:28:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...


    "King was issued a speeding ticket on Sept. 13 for driving 44 mph in a 25 mph construction zone. Officer Nicholas Benvenuto of the Kenosha Police Department said she was uncooperative when she found out she would get a ticket, not a warning. He said she got out of her vehicle, and said “I don’t have to listen to you.”


    This is what White guilt and political correctness and everyone bowing down to blacks has gotten us. They no longer feel that they have to obey the Law, and they sure as hell don't respect lawful Orders from White cops.

    They seriously think they are above the Law and that any White cop that tries to give them Orders or arrest them is going to lose his job, get sued, maybe arrested.

    They might be right.

    12/06/2015 02:34:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    remember back in the '60's and '70's,
    what would happen if they declared a war and no-one showed up?

    what would happen if someone called for a riot and the police didn't show up?

    forget due process, politicians, media and administration are waiting to condemn you.

    protect yourself, anyway you have to.

    12/06/2015 02:47:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous said...
    How about getting that media day going at the Academy again? Better yet, let's send them over to Near-North and play out scenarios with simunition! I actually fantasize about that.

    It works on some, others can't be helped. The best I saw was that waste of oxygen Eric Zorn at one of those academy days years ago. What a soft ball. He screwed up everything. He then wrote a article the next day whining about how hard his job is and no Police could handle his job. POS.

    12/06/2015 02:49:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    A Detective who found Laquan's uncle/guardian to inform him that his ward of the state had been shot and killed by the police said his response was, "I'm not at all surprised."

    Laquan was a wasted life from day one.

    I'd like to see the time line of that life, how many days in school, did he ever do anything useful. What were his gang affiliations and criminal history.

    Finally, what was the timeline on the night he got jacked up on PCP, broke into cars felt invincible and ran off brandishing a knife he must have thought was Excalibur.

    12/06/2015 03:00:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Ahhh.. the very reason I dropped the Suntimes from home delivery.

    12/06/2015 03:11:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I guess Mope-rah forgot that NOT being high on PCP, breaking into cars, attacking a Police car with a knife will greatly increase your chances of survival.

    Im not saying that what VanDyke did was right or wrong, however...

    If LaQuan wasn't high, breaking into cars, and attacking shit with a knife, none of us would be having this conversation today. Face it Mope-rah, LaQuan wasn't going to be the one out there curing cancer, HE WAS A CANCER.

    12/06/2015 03:45:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Why even bother?

    12/06/2015 04:25:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So mope rah thinks it isn't wrong for a fleeing felon ,, armed with a knife disregard verbal commands to drop the knife .
    Chicago Public Schools should have a class to teach children to obey laws , not use drugs , threaten people with deadly weapons .
    Most learn this at home .
    No columns from mope rah about the 3 adults that executed a nine year old child in broad daylight , that 9 year old wasn't armed , high on drugs , just another innocent victim of the non violent crime of drug dealing / gang bangers .

    12/06/2015 04:26:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Here's a thought...

    About the timeline of Laquan's jacked up on PCP wacko behavior before he goes prancing off brandishing a knife. We have seen homicides, usually stemming from domestic disturbances or neighbor disputes where the offender first damages the victim's prize possession, often a car. He would then go on to kill the victim or if introverted himself.

    That seems to be what Laquan did here. He slashes the tire of a police vehicle, the police know who he is and he has stated in his drug induced mind FUCK THE POLICE! CATCH ME IF YOU CAN I'M GONNA KILL YOU IF YOU DO.

    This wasn't just CDTV, or a prank, this was a statement of his deadly intent.

    This could be an important point in JVD's defense.

    12/06/2015 04:35:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Fix what wasn't broke... There was nothing wrong with the original single cartridge taser. The new ones are too big and old ones should never have replaced. Guess terry hilltard made a lot off those new ones.

    12/06/2015 04:44:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hey, I wasn't there, but you know as well as I do that this is already tried and convicted in the media. It does look excessive, I'm sorry. Had he stopped at 3 shots or so, maybe he would have a shot at beating it. But if it was me, I would say that's the way I was taught, keep shooting till he stops and hope for the best. Also, blame Rahm for allowing the academy to train me in this fashion, then join the bandwagon to get rid of Rahm and Anita, and why not Lisa madigan too, they all are in the same boat. Sorry, now it's just every man for himself, and they are throwing van dyke head first into a semi. One asshole down, three to go.

    12/06/2015 04:47:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    The bosses here at HQ are scrambling and brainstorming regarding witness officers To-Froms in the JVD case. They are thinking long-term and wondering how to do damage control if JVD is found not guilty. If that is the case they have every intention to fire every officer that submitted reports that contradicted the video. RULE 14 VIOLATIONS across the board boys and girls. They've already downloaded your vehicles GPS and have requested that Caboodle records not be deleted to help coroborate their case against the witness officers. Things are going to get really ugly.

    12/06/2015 02:30:00 AM

    Don't forget the detectives and their cut-and-paste supplementary reports. Almost makes you think all these guys dropped paper before they even looked at the video. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. JVD might not be the only one going to prison what all is said and done and the dust settles. But yet there will be no shortage of dummies sticking their neck out for this shitty ass department city and its constituents that don't give a rats ass whether we live or die.

    12/06/2015 05:15:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "I wouldn't expect a person that hasn't gone through Taser certification to know this, but Taser doesn't recommend using their product in deadly force situations. If we use a Taser against someone who's exhibiting the potential for great bodily harm or death, then we are actually going against our training and rules."

    I haven't been through Taser training yet, but it seems like the Taser worked very well in this instance:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12035552/Leytonstone-London-tube-underground-machete-attack-terrorism.html

    I'm not suggesting that JVD should've waited on the Taser, or that it would've definitely been the right call to use one on McDonald, but they can be very effective when used on a person who is wielding a knife but isn't actively using it.

    12/06/2015 05:30:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    This is so typical of entitlement victim class. A total non-acceptance of any personal responsibility. From their belief that they don't have to obey laws or follow the lawful orders of a police officer to not even taking good tactical advise (don't take a knife to a gun fight)

    Hey Mo-prah: Google "knife wounds". Select the images option. Say to yourself "It's just knife" as you look at the pix. Are you willing to take those injuries?

    12/06/2015 06:01:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Should have heard my son when I made this argument over a week ago. Response: When he was dead on the ground, the shooting should have stopped. Mine: When he dropped the knife, the shooting should stop. Since he didn't, the officers had no call to stop shooting. Always, always, always, have an imminent threat of death with an armed suspect.

    12/06/2015 06:10:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The news media always has something stupid to say.

    12/06/2015 06:29:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I want to know in the future when an officer confronts/encounter a POS carrying a knife on the publicway what the department, politicians and the crying governor wants us to do ....get back into the squad and drive away?

    12/06/2015 06:33:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It was a Christmas party that the terrorist killed Americans , not a holiday party . Some will not say Christmas , why ?

    12/06/2015 07:07:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I love the fact that the people with the voice for the black community are saying take money away from police and invest in the black neighborhoods. Really how much more money do we need to give, to get the same return. What a joke, it always seems throw money too them ( the loud mouths) and it all gets better, what a FUCKING joke !!!!!

    12/06/2015 07:24:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Sadly, this has paved the way for Superintendent Eric Holder. Not joking.

    12/06/2015 08:03:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05/28/in-training-drill-officers-learn-when-to-use-deadly-force-when-to-hold-back/


    Check out the link this reporter shot a guy that had a cell phone.

    12/06/2015 08:06:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Ig'nant indeed. See what kind of police service this City is about to start receiving.
    If there's around 40% being proactive, I'd say that's pretty damn good. Let's get that number to about 5%.
    Let's see what a. day without police in the ghetto can do for Moprha's following.
    LeQuan got what he deserved compliments of the Democrats; all the Free education he could stand, Free medical and Free bi-polar Meds, Free WIC food, a monthly GovMint SSI payment, LINK access, Free housing with a paid foster caretaker and a Free CTA Venture (Ventra) card.
    If anything Rahm should have awarded $5,000,000 to the Dept of Public Aid instead of giving it to the deadbeat welfare leech that squirted this thug out.

    12/06/2015 08:21:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Not related to the recent mess in Chicago but this video is worth watching and sharing. Be safe brothers and sisters in law enforcement.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?autoplay=1&v=pothHyqnIWM

    12/06/2015 08:53:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...


    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    Officer Van Dyke will be found not guilty, and will not be indicted by the Feds..

    "A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non dangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force."

    — Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]

    Laquan McDonald was burglar armed with a knife. He fled the police, resisting arrest while threatening pursuing officers with said knife. He was an immediate threat to the officers and public safety. The officers had an immediate sworn duty to stop the threat and arrest the offender. The officers had no duty to retreat, and no duty to meet Laquan McDonald's threat of deadly force with lesser force. Case closed.

    12/06/2015 02:41:00 AM
    _______

    Van Dyke has already been indicted.

    Van Dyke has already been fired.

    There are allegations that the reports do not match the video, perjury (evidence of premeditation).

    The other officers are going to be put through the ringer, probably fired.

    12/06/2015 09:15:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Any one doing proactive police work you deserve what you get.

    12/06/2015 09:20:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Head of IPRA resigned.

    12/06/2015 09:22:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I wouldn't expect a person that hasn't gone through Taser certification to know this, but Taser doesn't recommend using their product in deadly force situations.

    +++++++++

    Here is what I remember from taser training:

    Taser=health insurance
    Firearm=life insurance

    12/06/2015 09:29:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    What does a department of justice investigation really mean for the police department. The bosses withheld the case and the city lawyers helped try to burry the video. So what's in store for the rest of us????

    12/06/2015 09:40:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...


    but I do concede it was a bad shoot

    12/06/2015 11:19:00 AM

    Were you there? If so,please contact the State's Atty's. office.

    12/06/2015 10:31:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Our President just said America is not at war with ISIS and we need more gun control and less hatred towards Muslims. UH...what planet does this idiot live on?

    12/06/2015 10:43:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    >>>Anonymous said...
    at what point in time did law enforcement determine that he was under the influence of PCP? at what point in time was the officers in imminent danger of possible death or injury? at what point in time was any citizen in imminent danger of bodily harm or threat of death? Face it, it was a BAD shooting, and the possibility of more then just one officer is going to get slap for this is imminent!

    12/06/2015 11:20:00 AM<<<

    You are obviously NOT law enforcement and never had to face someone jacked up on PCP or anything stronger than Napa Valley Chardonnay.

    PCP was determined by the autopsy. From my experience dealing with people on PCP and the reports and videos from this incident a couple of things can be determined. This knife wielding offender was not acting normally, he was breaking in cars and went to slice the tire of a police vehicle. Why? He could have used the time to escape. He goes running knife in hand and when confronted by overwhelming force does he drop the knife? NO!

    Now where was Liquan's parents? Why was he not home studying for a geometry exam?

    12/06/2015 10:45:00 PM  
    Anonymous Frank Sinatra said...

    I have chunks of broads like her in my stool!

    12/06/2015 10:49:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    We need a Dept Change in Pepper Spray,I use Sabre Foam it shoots 10 feet and they also make a foam that shoots 18 feet,I used the foam to break up a fight involving 20 people and it stopped it and they all ran away.



    Stfu, ive pepper sprayed, tazed and shot people and animals on this job with widely varying effects. Including people on pcp (can you say real zombies)

    I would love some of these citizens, attorney's, media strokes, reverunds and liberals try some of these non shooting solutions on people with knives, you'd have to open up a second morgue with all the fatalities of these know nothings. They would get killed by the truck load. fucking joke...leave the police business to us sheeple.

    12/06/2015 10:49:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Ok boy and girls it is time to start hiring attorneys, not the ones from FOP.

    With the FBI and Department of Justice coming to investigate the Chicago Police Department this is going to get dirty. And I will bet the Supervisors are already getting their stories together. (Remember they never go after the boss signing off on the reports)

    Just remember the Cozzi incident over a prisoner being slapped while in a wheelchair
    that got Cozzi fired and jailed for a Civil rights violation. (They did not fire General Patton for doing the same to a Private)

    Now there are a group of officers that gave reports regarding this shooting that lead to the closing of the investigation as CLEARED Justifiable Homicide.
    But the video shows none of what these officers claim to have happened.
    Look the IPRA Chief has just resigned, The Superintendent resigned, In the past few months the 1st Deputy Retired, The IAD Chief retired.

    Those FBI guys are going to be calling each witness and Detective in allowing them to explain themselves regarding this incident. (This is going to get crazy)

    As they say here on SCC they keep arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. But it now looks like they are sailing away in the life boats and the last one left must turn the lights off.

    Take heed you young chargers, IAD is not your friend. IPRA is not your friend.
    FBI is not your friend. And BEWARE of the Supervisor you know that approaches you asking you about your past statements either written or oral........

    Stay Fetal boys and girls. I have since I was first sued 25 years ago.



    12/06/2015 10:53:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    at what point in time did law enforcement determine that he was under the influence of PCP? at what point in time was the officers in imminent danger of possible death or injury? at what point in time was any citizen in imminent danger of bodily harm or threat of death? Face it, it was a BAD shooting, and the possibility of more then just one officer is going to get slap for this is imminent!

    12/06/2015 11:20:00 AM

    Face it; you are either ignorant of, or refusing to acknowledge, what led up to this shooting.

    12/06/2015 10:53:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    A rank and file cop has to be nuts these days to do anything other than answer calls.

    12/06/2015 11:37:00 PM  
    Blogger americanlt said...

    Does anyone else think Escalante is a bit out of his league?? The guy is a nice of enough guy but does not have the mentality of a politician. He is a fish without water. I suspect he didn't even want the "promotion".

    12/06/2015 11:57:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hey Mo-prah: Google "knife wounds". Select the images option. Say to yourself "It's just knife" as you look at the pix. Are you willing to take those injuries?

    12/06/2015 06:01:00 PM

    Copy the link and you can see the picture of the Officer's sliced open head and read the story.


    After the officer spoke to the driver, another man in the car climbed out and attacked the officer while the officer with a sharp object as he was walking back to his patrol car. The suspect sliced the officer’s head. The officer, who was able to return fire before the man stole his cruiser, suffered a deep gash on his head but is expected to survive his injuries.


    http://www.officer.com/news/12144369/colorado-police-officer-slashed-attacker-killed

    12/07/2015 12:00:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    You might as well forgive Anita for not charging the protester because she alone and the police will bear the brunt of VanDykes actions. There will be so much news about CPD reports video statements ect that THE WEASEL THAT COVERED THE WHOLE THING UP, RE-ELECT ME RAHM will slip out the back door and leave us to hang... now they have an excuse not to pay your pension right Lisa, Rahm and Bruce. If I were you I'd jump in those protests. Maybe can get paid like stare down boy Lamon.

    12/07/2015 12:20:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Our President just said America is not at war with ISIS and we need more gun control and less hatred towards Muslims. UH...what planet does this idiot live on?


    Whats the middle name for Barry? There's your answer

    12/07/2015 12:44:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Big Brother Barry will tell you tonight to

    Cower before the terrorists

    Guns are Bad and should be taken away

    San Bernardino wasn't terrorism

    Trust the Democrats to keep you safe

    There's no such thing as Radical Islam


    Great speech tonight Feel Safe?

    12/07/2015 01:01:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Special Bulletin... Ron Huberman in as next Superintendent, Rham's wunderkind trusty aide David Spielfogel as First Deputy, and the late Beatles manager Brian Epstein to head up the newly created in-car camera damage control unit.

    No more like Masters Masters Masters and Hamilton Coming back

    12/07/2015 01:04:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    "I wouldn't expect a person that hasn't gone through Taser certification to know this, but Taser doesn't recommend using their product in deadly force situations. If we use a Taser against someone who's exhibiting the potential for great bodily harm or death, then we are actually going against our training and rules."

    I haven't been through Taser training yet, but it seems like the Taser worked very well in this instance:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12035552/Leytonstone-London-tube-underground-machete-attack-terrorism.html

    I'm not suggesting that JVD should've waited on the Taser, or that it would've definitely been the right call to use one on McDonald, but they can be very effective when used on a person who is wielding a knife but isn't actively using it.

    12/06/2015 05:30:00 PM

    _____

    You're missing the larger point. A police officer doesn't have to meet an imminent threat of deadly force with less force, but equal of greater to end the threat. Take a look at the use of force model.

    http://directives.chicagopolice.org/lt2015/data/a7a57be2-128ff3f0-ae912-8fff-cec11383d806e05f.html?ownapi=1

    12/07/2015 01:10:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I want to know in the future when an officer confronts/encounter a POS carrying a knife on the publicway what the department, politicians and the crying governor wants us to do ....get back into the squad and drive away?




    That's exactly what I'm gonna do.

    12/07/2015 01:16:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    We put a disclaimer before writing To/From, writing this document under duress. Those officers did not get an opportunity to review the video to refresh their traumatized memories. Those of you joining in the public lynching for this, shame on you.

    Secondly, a burglary is not a forcible felony. Shooting Laquan after he is on the ground is the real issue. Adrenaline and the totality of the entire incident provide more rationale reason for why that occurred.

    The Union should be formulating a response to this, the public should be asked to reflect on the question of how much time can you give a suspect to peacefully give up before you have to take action. The responding units had been trying to stop Laquan for two blocks. What if he ran into the Burger King? What if he injured or killed people in there? What if the police pursued him inside and then had to use deadly force? Would there have been collateral damage? How does the media observe Laquan walking away from police when the camera shows he is clearly not walking away in the opposite direction of JVD and his partner?

    In the meantime, we will suffer greatly and the decent people in the poor neighborhoods of this city will suffer greatly as well. For some reason the left believes that police work is an exact science and the media has moved in for the kill. God help us all, St. Jude truly is the most appropriate patron for us. This is a hopeless cause.

    12/07/2015 01:47:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    >>>Anonymous said...
    Our President just said America is not at war with ISIS and we need more gun control and less hatred towards Muslims. UH...what planet does this idiot live on?

    12/06/2015 10:43:00 PM<<<

    One who thinks the biggest threat is climate change.
    Paris Summit 2015.

    Register and Vote!

    12/07/2015 01:59:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    A rank and file cop has to be nuts these days to do anything other than answer calls.

    12/06/2015 11:37:00 PM

    Or you could just be respectful when you do your job. It works.
    Only 10 beefs in 21 years and one excessive force complaint.

    12/07/2015 02:03:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    >>>Anonymous said...
    I have seen POs seriously injured while trying to subdue unarmed persons who are high on PCP. We can't win for losing.

    12/06/2015 09:04:00 AM<<<

    One of the biggest fights I ever had was with a 90 pound absolutely gorgeous woman that I brought into the Emergency Room. She was stronger than most men I ever fought with. Just thirty minutes earlier getting her into the squad car she was flirting the heck out of me. DAMN! Some how I knew she was trouble.

    12/07/2015 02:29:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "If you're driving and pulled over by a cop. Put your hands on the steering wheel. If you're a passenger, put your hands on your lap. Don't make any sudden moves. Make eye contact with him. Say "hello officer". Cops are human too, they want to go home after their shift. Don't make them think you're going to kill them."

    12/06/2015 08:26:00 AM

    Good advice -- as I've put it to people, it comes out --

    "If you're driving and pulled over by a cop, turn on the dome light and put your hands on the steering wheel. If you're a passenger, put your hands on top of the dash or the seat back in front of you. Don't make any sudden moves. Make eye contact with him. Say "Hello, officer." Cops are human too, they want to go home after their shift. Don't make them think you're going to kill them."

    Make the man's day, and your own, a little easier. It will be appreciated.

    12/07/2015 02:55:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous said...
    at what point in time did law enforcement determine that he was under the influence of PCP? at what point in time was the officers in imminent danger of possible death or injury? at what point in time was any citizen in imminent danger of bodily harm or threat of death? Face it, it was a BAD shooting, and the possibility of more then just one officer is going to get slap for this is imminent!

    12/06/2015 11:20:00 AM
    -------------------------------------------------------
    The Medical Examiner deduced he was on PCP from running a tox screen during the autopsy, you jagoff! Everyone in this forum is dumber for having read your comment. I award you NO Points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

    12/07/2015 03:31:00 AM  
    Blogger Sir Donkey, esq said...

    This is a Seiser story, but a true one...
    M Seiser caught 2 of 3 offenders who were in a car (stolen), that had crashed into her car. Mitchell "was glad" that she couldn't ID the offenders, because she "did not want to be responsible for putting another black behind bars".
    During processing, the 3rd offender went back and torched the car.

    So Good for Mary! Glad she wasn't pit out too much. Sucked for the owner of the car though.

    12/07/2015 03:35:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Results of a senseless attack in a Miami art gallery.

    Weapon -- X-Acto knife with 1" blade.

    http://tinyurl.com/prbvvjl

    Any newspaper columnists want to go here? Don't think so.

    12/07/2015 03:51:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Great, let Huberman be Sup. Maybe he will have one of his academy classmates put in a chief of patrol. Chief of patrol M Seiser...has a nice ring to it.

    12/07/2015 06:00:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I was dreading the conversations at my neighborhood holiday party this weekend. Lots of left wingers still in the city. You would think they would have learned by now. I was shocked to find so many were in support of the officer, the vast majority in fact.


    My neighborhood has Christmas parties

    12/07/2015 06:05:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I wish the media would stop showing LaQuan's 8th grade graduation photo (probably with a report card loaded with Fs).
    Let's see photos of him from Oct. 2014 - probably every Facebook photo of him are gang signs and middle fingers.

    12/07/2015 06:56:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Emily, you sound like an old salty dog :)

    12/07/2015 07:18:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    >>at what point in time did law enforcement determine that he was under the influence of PCP?

    It's not a matter of toxicology, it's a matter of behavior. Felonious property damage, fleeing from police, being armed, and acting as if you don't even care about your own safety (walking in street) and remaining armed while law enforcement is surrounding you; that's a good indication that the knife might be put to use.

    >>at what point in time was the officers in imminent danger of possible death or injury?

    Here let me cut you. Besides that, "imminent danger" isn't a legal criterion. But it's not like MAKING SHIT UP is particularly rare with these situations.

    >>at what point in time was any citizen in imminent danger of bodily harm or threat of death?

    Let's wrap it up with Tenn. vs. Garner:


    >>Law enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

    "Probable cause to believe." "Significant threat."

    "Imminent danger" isn't the wording. Those are your words. Your make-believe words.

    12/07/2015 07:44:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    at what point in time did law enforcement determine that he was under the influence of PCP? at what point in time was the officers in imminent danger of possible death or injury? at what point in time was any citizen in imminent danger of bodily harm or threat of death? Face it, it was a BAD shooting, and the possibility of more then just one officer is going to get slap for this is imminent!

    12/06/2015 11:20:00 AM

    About a second before the point of impact. It's that fast

    12/07/2015 07:45:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    1120am- punk!!!!

    12/07/2015 08:57:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    How about this for a shocker?


    HB 4349 - Amends the Illinois Police Training Act. Provides that on or before January 1, 2017, the Law Enforcement Training Standards Board shall adopt rules requiring liability insurance for law enforcement officers and rules providing minimum standards for psychological evaluations for officers including, but not limited to, satisfactory psychological evaluations before serving as an officer and satisfactory psychological evaluations every 5 years. Amends the State Police Act making similar changes for State police officers. Effective immediately.

    Link:

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4349&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=92967&SessionID=88

    I'd like to know what company is going to sell liability insurance to police officers. I don't believe any product like this exists. They would go broke in a week, or the premiums would be so high as to be unaffordable for most officers. Someone please correct me if I am wrong here.

    12/07/2015 09:10:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    to influence a judge or DA to get his daughter's boyfriend out of a felony!

    What does the FOP say? If Lodge 7 is too scared or too corrupt, this should be brought to the State or National Lodges. This is serious business. I know nobody wants to cross a powerful black alderman, but YOU could be next.

    Go away you troll. DA really where are you from. To be clear GO AWAY

    12/07/2015 10:13:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I LOOOVVVVEEEE this. The challenge is not considered a duel, so it's legal. It's a training opportunity.

    I would also volunteer to perform the training. Liberals take a suck of this_ _ _ _.

    America

    12/07/2015 11:10:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    at what point in time did law enforcement determine that he was under the influence of PCP? at what point in time was the officers in imminent danger of possible death or injury? at what point in time was any citizen in imminent danger of bodily harm or threat of death? Face it, it was a BAD shooting, and the possibility of more then just one officer is going to get slap for this is imminent!

    12/06/2015 11:20:00 AM

    About a second before the point of impact. It's that fast

    12/07/2015 07:45:00 AM
    -------------------

    You either are a lawyer or had the good fortune of studying under real professors.

    You narrowed in on the key issue, despite all of the distractions. Your answer is correct.

    You get an A +.

    12/07/2015 01:31:00 PM  
    Blogger WL Emery said...

    I'm an untrained civilian, but I'd like to try. I'm also out of shape. I'd want a few practice rounds of some kind, but I'd still like to try. I'd probably lose because I'd tend to shoot, but maybe not.

    12/07/2015 03:30:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    How about this for a shocker?


    HB 4349 - Amends the Illinois Police Training Act. Provides that on or before January 1, 2017, the Law Enforcement Training Standards Board shall adopt rules requiring liability insurance for law enforcement officers and rules providing minimum standards for psychological evaluations for officers including, but not limited to, satisfactory psychological evaluations before serving as an officer and satisfactory psychological evaluations every 5 years. Amends the State Police Act making similar changes for State police officers. Effective immediately.

    Link:

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4349&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=92967&SessionID=88

    I'd like to know what company is going to sell liability insurance to police officers. I don't believe any product like this exists. They would go broke in a week, or the premiums would be so high as to be unaffordable for most officers. Someone please correct me if I am wrong here.

    12/07/2015 09:10:00 AM
    I checked with state farm agent on umbrella policy, cost was over $1,000 a year for a million, but lawsuits are being settled for multi-miillions I'm a working street copper, what goodbye house? Thugs are moving in? Noway nohow 1st 16th backing each other up that is all!

    12/07/2015 04:24:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Join the NRA!!

    nra.org

    12/07/2015 05:10:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Does anyone else think Escalante is a bit out of his league?? The guy is a nice of enough guy but does not have the mentality of a politician. He is a fish without water. I suspect he didn't even want the "promotion".

    12/06/2015 11:57:00 PM

    Give me a break. We all weep buckets for him.
    Hey, what was his dept position during the latest Koschman debacle?
    And what was his job during the McDonald investigation?
    Somebody should look up his on-air interviews and review his comments.

    12/07/2015 05:19:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Look up Graham Vs. Connor decision....Van Dyke walks..... Graham v. Connor decision (the seminal Supreme Court case that examines an officer’s use of force from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene taking into account the totality of circumstances and not judged with the 20/20 vision of hindsight)

    12/07/2015 10:45:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    >>>12/07/2015 09:10:00 AM
    I checked with state farm agent on umbrella policy, cost was over $1,000 a year for a million, but lawsuits are being settled for multi-miillions I'm a working street copper, what goodbye house? Thugs are moving in? Noway nohow 1st 16th backing each other up that is all!

    12/07/2015 04:24:00 PM<<<

    I think Standard Mutual, Farmers or Dairyland had much better $1Million dollar umbrella policy rates in the range of $3-4 hundred a year.

    12/07/2015 11:40:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "If you're driving and pulled over by a cop, turn on the dome light and put your hands on the steering wheel. If you're a passenger, put your hands on top of the dash or the seat back in front of you. Don't make any sudden moves. Make eye contact with him. Say "Hello, officer." Cops are human too, they want to go home after their shift. Don't make them think you're going to kill them."

    Make the man's day, and your own, a little easier. It will be appreciated.

    12/07/2015 02:55:00 AM

    P.S. to that> Music shoud be off and roll down your window.

    12/07/2015 11:49:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "the seminal Supreme Court case that examines an officer’s use of force from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene"

    So the other officers on the scene must not be reasonable?

    12/08/2015 01:39:00 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hey 0424 in Illinois they used to have some legal thing called Tenancy by the Entirety or something like that. My understanding was that it was a law or legislation enacted to protect the politicians. I have been retired for quite sometime and no longer live in that fd up state. But when I was there and worried about some on the job stuff I consulted an attorney and had him file this document. My understanding then was that if I was targeted civil and they went after my home, I was just a tenant there and the house legally belonged to my spouse and vice verse. Consult someone see if it still exists maybe the attorneys at the fop could tell you if it's a valid tool to protect you poor guys and gals.

    12/08/2015 11:23:00 AM  
    Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

    "P.S. to that> Music should be off and roll down your window."

    12/07/2015 11:49:00 PM

    Yes sir, if you want to communicate, drop off the Beats By Dr. Dre shaking the thing like an overloaded washing machine. You can put it on again in a few.

    When I was a nutty kid, we still got big speeding ticket from ISP, drive you to the next mailbox and watch you drop the payment in, but it was low-key and non-threatening in any way. That is the idea.

    Not so hard to do...

    God bless all here and stay safe.

    12/08/2015 06:25:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    P.S. to Umbrella policies, they have to be bundled with your home and auto policies.

    12/08/2015 08:37:00 PM  
    Blogger SpankDaddy said...

    Seiser kicks ASS!

    4/25/2016 08:05:00 AM  

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