YOU are Responsible
- Troubled by the lack of audio in the Laquan McDonald and Ronald Johnson shooting videos, Acting Chicago Police Supt. John Escalante on Friday put the rank-and-file on notice.
It’s every officer’s responsibility to check the audio and video equipment to make certain it’s working before every tour-of-duty. If they don’t and breakdowns are not promptly reported, disciplinary action will follow.
“We have a good policy in place. We’ve got to reinforce it. That’s why I sent out a reminder. When you get into that car, test the in-car camera and the audio. Make sure it’s working. That’s your responsibility,” Escalante said.
All well and good. The policy is "cameras and mics," the policy should be followed. Attempts to circumvent the policy should be addressed. But....
Who's responsible for the quality of the cameras? Because, thanks to a government low-bid contract, these cameras are about the cheapest pieces of crap we've seen. Not only that, remember when they first installed them? There was an offer on the table for the manufacturer to install the appropriate electrical systems, but Fleet Management had an outside vendor do it all on the cheap and voided many of the vehicle warranties.
Then there was the maintenance - has anyone ever seen a camera maintenance guy out there, aside from when they came out to repair a camera? Yeah, we never have either.
And the antennae that were supposed to be installed so cameras could download between shifts? How many months did those take to install, adjust, adjust again, reinstall, calibrate, etc? And some still don't work.
And while the cameras weren't uploading their data, how many wouldn't boot up because the drive was full? We had those cars many times, too.
Responsibility is all well and good, but we get cheap, shitty equipment with non-existent maintenance/upkeep, we shouldn't be blamed for it breaking down on a regular basis.
(post updated - Fleet hasn't wired cars in nearly a decade...they contract it out to another low bidder)
Who's responsible for the quality of the cameras? Because, thanks to a government low-bid contract, these cameras are about the cheapest pieces of crap we've seen. Not only that, remember when they first installed them? There was an offer on the table for the manufacturer to install the appropriate electrical systems, but Fleet Management had an outside vendor do it all on the cheap and voided many of the vehicle warranties.
Then there was the maintenance - has anyone ever seen a camera maintenance guy out there, aside from when they came out to repair a camera? Yeah, we never have either.
And the antennae that were supposed to be installed so cameras could download between shifts? How many months did those take to install, adjust, adjust again, reinstall, calibrate, etc? And some still don't work.
And while the cameras weren't uploading their data, how many wouldn't boot up because the drive was full? We had those cars many times, too.
Responsibility is all well and good, but we get cheap, shitty equipment with non-existent maintenance/upkeep, we shouldn't be blamed for it breaking down on a regular basis.
(post updated - Fleet hasn't wired cars in nearly a decade...they contract it out to another low bidder)
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
102 Comments:
No PO has ever or will ever be blamed for cameras being broken. That is unless you intentionally damaged it. Get in the car and turn it on. If it doesn't turn on, verify there is a ticket number or obtain/have the sgt obtain one. If the camera does not work an you do not obtain a ticket number it is on you, plan and simple. Who gives a shit if the buys crap cameras, that is nothing new. Verify the equipment at the start of every tour and you are covered. If you don't have the mic on when it's working and you are court, it's your fault.
The camera's are not going away so at the end of the day if you take time because you didn't log on, ticket make sure there is a ticket number when it is not working, if you don't wear the mic, it's on you! You can not take time for the city not maintaing the equipment as long as you document it's not working.
They have known for over a year there was no mike being worn......they have sent out multiple "thou shalt use camera/wear mike or else ..." fax messages....they have mandated Incar camera e-learning training (or else).....they are promising new and improved captain fool UltraInspectors - who will mow down supervisors and leave them under a pile of discipline...all of patrol has known for years the cameras/mikes are not consistently used---but guess substitute supe just got the memo
###Someone correct me if I am wrong, but when I took camera training I recall audio was ONLY to be enabled during ILCS IVC stops, and other audio was eavesdropping per illinois law###
If any of this is true there is no excuse. There is money and bodies to properly maintain equipment such as that. This is fucking bullshit. I know many qualified techs who could fix and maintain that entire inventory.
Yeah Sarge, the audio and video worked when I got in the car... You mean to tell me that the fucking thing isn't really working again? Oh well, better call Maintenance!
There's so many things that can go wrong with electronic devices, no one guarantees they'll do anything they're supposed to - there's some very rare and expensive exceptions - but these cameras aren't going to be it. Environmental hazards up the wazoo, unreliable electrical power, etc. Nope.
Check all you want - the fucking thing can die 1 second later and you wouldn't know it until after you tried to review the recording you thought it was making, but didn't. Unless the cop purposely fucked up the equipment, there's no way to blame the cop and PROVE it was them.
Forget this nonsense... Tell them what they want to hear and move on with life.
Get your coffee, get your drinks, get your snacks. STAY FETAL.
With Rahm "de-funding" CPD to the tune of
over $1 Billion over the last nearly five years
and spending that money on other shit?
Escalate is saber rattling...
How the fuck can you say "You're Responsible"
when no money is being spent on maintaining and
repairing this cheap, second-rate, designed to fail
camera and video equipment.
The whispers out of HQ is that m/fers are in a panic because
there is no infrastructure in place for the body cameras...
Again... Rahm running CPD on the cheap while continuing
to divert allocated monies to his pet projects.
No money spent on actual and USEFUL training.
Especially on Use of Force/Firearms...
There was a time Policemen were whistled in at least
A few times a year for Shoot/Don't Shoot - Target Discrimination
and the like...
Remember the big-assed trailer that was parked in front
of the academy?
It and other stuff went away because the mayor and the finance committee
made intentional conscious decisions to "defer payment," i.e. stiff the vendors?
Just keep getting and documenting repair tickets for the in-car camera systems.
Protect yourselves and yourselves only.
Police like you have no friends.
This city is ungovernable
and wholly beyond anything
the Police can provide.
Yet The Police are seen as the problem.
So many people (and folks) are all in their
own asses about making The Police
go away.
That mindset begs the question...
When they finally accomplish that,
then what?
Funny...
We looked high and low and we still don't see anything
like the days of old when 20K to over 40K candidates
sitting for the Police Entrance Exam.
Heh...
Just you wait.
All kinds of relaxed standards and preference points
will be given to "The Communerty" as the rest of everybody
else will be turned away at the doors...
The city you see is the city they want.
No fleeing allowed. You have to be held captive to pay the freight
and make the damned thing go.
it is really simple. back about 2011, the crew of sworn police officers who worked at repairing the plate readers, PDTs and cameras were reassigned to the district in an attempt at McCarthys to boost manpower, this was at the same time that he disbanded SOS and TRU. these 6 or 8 people really made a difference in lowering the crime rate, the job was handed down to OWEMC where civilians began to fix these items, yeah right, you had to go to area 1 radio shop to try and get this done. This department has always done things on the CHEAP!!! like when they started to put the rifle racks in the squad cars. instead of buying the proper racks they rigged up a system that they attached to the inside of the trunk lid that due to the vibration and bouncing didn't hold up. they then attached them to the lock side of the trunk and to unlock the rack the officer had to have the ignition on, pop the trunk and grab the rifle. Fleet and Marv Shearer should be indicted over this mess along with many other supposed money saving ideas that just plan SUCKED !!!!!
Anonymous said...
Guys, whether you realize this or not, McCarthy had your back... No matter who has the top job, you will never get what you want... Chicago business model and framework is not set up that way... Nobody in the world now wants that position; esp with the Feds now coming to investigate... Something is finally about to go down...
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Escalante better not submit that resume of his; he will be made a scapegoat - your career ain't worth it. Can't you retire soon?
A big problem with these technical showpieces is that a lot of them are purchased with grant money. There is plenty of grant money available to buy all kinds of new police toys.
But most of them, like cameras, have need for a support structure. Docking ports, charging stations, replacement batteries, storage computers, archiving equipment,etc. And people that know how to keep them running. All that takes a continuing stream of money. Which nobody thinks of when they start out on these toys.
So now with the cameras: If your pre-tour vehicle inspection reveals that the camera is not fully functional, what is the procedure? Do you call for camera R-Service?? Down the car?
I remember one winter in a beat car, getting wiper blades and washer solvent was a major problem.
Hey Dean and Co, your silence is deafening.
We will remember come election time.
Simple. If the bosses are going to hold you responsible and the shit doesn't work, down the car or do a to-from and keep a copy of it if they tell you to go out anyway.
Now what about guys like me who have never had a vehicle with a camera system? Sure they sent me to a bogus class on how the system works many years ago.
Is it true Garry Garry Garry has kept his car and drivers for the indeterminate future?
I bought a camera system for my car after an incident that turned out ok but, I wish that I had a camera to record what a J/O the offender was. I did some research and read numerous reviews and settled on the one with the best reviews and brand name. I purchased a Garmin 20 for under $200. records in 1080hd, audio(can be turned off) speed, gps coordinates and date and time. This thing works better than the coban crap the city purchased and it ahs never once failed me.
Stay fetal. per rahm
Tazers have been around for a good number of years. I know its politics, I know we have the highest taxes in the country, I know the politicians and their friends steal much of that tax money. Isn't it about time that every Chicago Police Officer is issued a tazer? It's long past due that politics is takin out of the police department. a department of chicagos size should have weapons qualifications more then once a year instead it takes Chicago almost a year to qualify everyone with a 30 round course. The training division and range are a joke ,filled with political hacks. Mandatory realistic training is needed with modern equipment . To many incompetent bosses, end merit. Also to many useless management spots. Hire more cops.
I have no trouble with this. Do everything by the book. I repeat, do every single thing by the book. Yet what do you see? Dummies are still skipping steps and then they are the ones who are going to take it on the chin. Then they come crying to their fellow officers and say "oh the department screwed me". Nope. You did it to yourself.
When I get in my car, we test the cameras (usually it's not working) and the mics. I send a message to my Sgt. and let them know: "hi sgt. the camera is freezing and the mics are not working". Send that hot potato back to them. Yet most of you idiots can't even do that.
This is the woman that will be in charge of federal over sight of the CPD.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/1593/loretta-lynch-vows-prosecute-those-who-use-anti-james-barrett
Loretta Lynch Vows to Prosecute Those Who Use 'Anti-Muslim' Speech That 'Edges Toward Violence'
If true, this is a scenario that appears to pit the Obama White House against FBI Director James Comey over what reports suggest is an increasingly divisive conflict between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Jarrett and federal law enforcement officials regarding feared pending ISIS terror threats inside of the United States.
http://dcwhispers.com/breaking-white-house-vs-fbi-over-domestic-isis-terror-threat/
So will our federal overlords be interested in investigating our work place enviroment? Like lead pipes, bad water, crumbling bathrooms, dirty ventilation systems, asbestos tiles, etc......? Or just my microphone being on?...
Again, this department is a joke with its "responsibility" bs. Who is responsible for installing a working system? Who is responsible for repairing this equipment? Who is responsible for maintaining this equipment? Who is responsible for allocating money for all the required costs that using this system incurs? Who is responsible for failing to do any and all of the above? Yeah -- now come back again with this idea of "responsibility". When the department and city can provide us with basic functioning equipment that enables us to perform our duty, e.g. 4 tires with tread on every squad car, brakes, steering wheel, then maybe someone would take them seriously. Until then, thanks for the laughs you incompetent administrative clowns!
Low bid contract at its finest! Smoke and mirrors, and junk equipment!
How about the fact, that every time you leave your vehicle for a job or even a personal or lunch, when you get back to said vehicle the cameras turns off by itself.
I'm not logging in to this piece of crap twenty times a shift!
I am paid to watch the world and answer calls on the radio and I am NOT a camera technician!
Get a new system that works all the time, if you want to record all the time!
So what. I've been at two burb departments and it was the same both ways. The benefit is in you guys favor. We had some that were working so you could change cars. You guys have less cameras working so you're more likely to get forced to drive one w/o working audio/video. Everytime you violate the supt's direction by order document it. Too easy. You're still going to be in the same cars. All you did is tell them what they know already. The stuff is broken. I've switched cars mid shift over audio problems..involuntarily. With all this stuff going on I'll switch cars 5 times a shift. I'm on the clock anyway.The games won't ever stop. You're going to always have to beat them at their own game which thankfully is made much easier by the minds that come up with these loose, shaky policies.
I thought the microphone was only for traffic stops .
Good luck with any repairs with the city. I waited five days for the R-man for a burnt out headlight.
Good, bad, if it doesn't work. Report it and your covered.
hah?unit coming in?
Well, my camera and mic is going to be recording me watching movies. I think tomorrow night will be tv shows though.
Stay pre natal my friends.
I understand the intent but holy cow, I *am* an electronic engineer and it's not that simple for nontechnical people -- and have you ever seen lawyers and judges even try to play a DVD?
Just an interested civilian but if the stuff doesn't work as it's suppose can't you refuse to take the car / camera out? It's not your responsibility to keep it working. Isn't the department responsible to prove you with working equipment like that?
Kind of like checking your vehicle while re-fueling. Never had a class at the academy on checking a police vehicles engine fluids. I've come across many vehicles without an owners book too. Hey, I have the dealer check my car..
Simple solution every officer that has a camera document it dosent work. Fuk em cover your ass. And every vehicle that is unsafe down it. Don't get angry follow their rules don't use equipment on this job thats not safe. Right fop Hello!!!!
So check it, report it if it doesn't work, then safest to down the car? Doesn't mean it'll ever be fixed, right?
As SCC says, doesn't even mean that it was any good in the first place, or that it was installed properly. If Fleet played do-it-yourself, voiding vehicle warranties with their wiring job, that is an additional protection for you in the event of camera malfunctions.
who's responsible for the bullshit words that were typed in the detective supps and the OCIR?? i mean, how many guys were on the scene when the shots were fired, and apparently ALL of the lied, and NONE of them wrote a t0/from ir a supp themselves documenting the mistakes they saw in the other RD's ?? yeah, it's a straight up indictment of the system when they'd rather hide than just tell the truth. it's not so hard.
The bottom line is that you are responsible for covering your own ass. Don't expect anyone, especially the city, to cover it for you. Camera doesn't work, document it. Audio off? Document it. You'll spend extra time in the station, but if you don't, it's on you. No one will care that you just wanted to get out and do your job so you didn't stop to write it down.
Now maybe you "on the job lawyers" can answer this: If the officer that got punched by a protester, the one Anita let go, if he didn't agree to the release, does he have a case to sue the Cook County States Attorney? We all know it was for Anita's political reasons. We all know it makes us (police) less safe. How about it? It's about time we get our case out in front of the public. Is it time for the police to begin suing?
Mikes are broken, lost. No one has audio. Cameras rendered to junk. Never repaired. This is being covered up, just like McDonald's tape was covered up. Investigate this camera contract, maintenance. Is any cop in that video wearing a, mic on his lapel? Is any cop any where wearing a mic on his lapel?
All you can do it test the equipment when you get in the car and if it does not work report it and move on. But, in these perilous times I am thinking that keeping daily notes on some of these issues might be a good idea. But, don't tell anyone you are doing this unless you have to produce these notes to back up your version.
Escalate is a clown who covers up stuff too. Nice one coming out about him soon.
Down the car. Everyone will be on foot.
Four years to go SCC and im outta here! Whew! Can you dig it!?!
Stay fetal. And find a new job in the process. Last one out remember to turn off the lights.
Leaving CPD was the best decision I ever made. Life outside of Chicago and the dept would blow your mind and make you realize how insane staying in the city is. Life it too short for this kind of bullshit.
Where's my sunscreen?
There's still plenty of cars without cameras or mics that the city is too financially irresponsible to replace, no problem here amigos.
It's all on now Deputy Chief J.L. The "install and run boss" Hurry, put it in, show it off then run for the next project knowing the first one is shit.
I'm surprised that nobody has brought up the fact that since a car running all day on 3 watches and that the officers need to have the mics on them all the time, when do the mics get a chance to charge up to full power ? I guess by state law we are also supposed to have a fire extinguisher in all the cars- don't see that happening either anytime soon !
Was there a camera recording the aldermen and mayor discussing and voting to give the Macdonald family $5,000,000? Is there a recording of 9 fingers firing Garry? If you want to be fair lets record and video 9 fingers and his band of 50 thieves.
Anonymous said...
Simple solution every officer that has a camera document it dosent work. Fuk em cover your ass. And every vehicle that is unsafe down it. Don't get angry follow their rules don't use equipment on this job thats not safe. Right fop Hello!!!!
12/05/2015 10:32:00 AM
Another BULSHIT post.
This has been FOP's stance for 25 years. It's the coppers that don't want to rock the boat.
Anonymous said...
Just an interested civilian but if the stuff doesn't work as it's suppose can't you refuse to take the car / camera out? It's not your responsibility to keep it working. Isn't the department responsible to prove you with working equipment like that?
12/05/2015 10:19:00 AM
Yes you are an interested civilian. I know of one department where despite asbestos being found in the walls at least 10-15 years ago they continue to "abate" it and throw a nice new coat of paint up. No new building. Another department I know of found asbestos in the "new" building they were repurposing as a police department. The brass told the other departments but not the police officers that asbestos removal was being conducted in their new work facility. I've seen expired vests that were not being replaced and the administration would remind officers that expiration dates are suggestions but that the vests were still good. Other departments won't let you wear warmer or more efficient clothing because of how it looks. The list goes on for what is prioritized in public safety over personnel safety and comfortable working conditions. And these are the decent, have money towns I'm referring to.
This is very simple. If it doesn't work, go back in and sit down until your shift is over. I can't go out because policy, I can't break policy. Are you ordering me to break policy? Put it in writing and I'll go out... Oh... Ok.
SCC, you have no clue,fleet hasn't wired cop cars since 2006.most of those dinosaurs are gone.city now has non union lowest bid vendors that install police equipment.the warranty is voided when there "install" messes up factory components.and also there are people to fix pdts,cameras and mics.YOU JUST HAVE TO DOWN THE CAR AND GET A SHOP TICKET.
Attn EMMD
Now maybe you "on the job lawyers" can answer this: If the officer that got punched by a protester, the one Anita let go, if he didn't agree to the release, does he have a case to sue the Cook County States Attorney? We all know it was for Anita's political reasons. We all know it makes us (police) less safe. How about it? It's about time we get our case out in front of the public. Is it time for the police to begin suing?
12/05/2015 10:49:00 AM
No. Prosecutorial immunity from civil actions is absolute in this case. Next question?
Some could learn from them
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347632/Tube-terror-knifeman-screaming-Syria-blood-spilled-slashes-man-s-throat-Tasered-police.html
You have said this for years, that Fleet voided vehicle warranties installing cameras on the cheap. That is just not true. They were installed professionally and those low bids went to qualified installers. Before you repeat that bullshit again try thinking it through: how do you void a police vehicle warranty by installing mobile police equipment connected to the wires Ford and Chevy installed in the police vehicle for mobile police equipment? These are not fucking Priuses. You can prove your point without spreading lies.
Anonymous said...
So will our federal overlords be interested in investigating our work place enviroment? Like lead pipes, bad water, crumbling bathrooms, dirty ventilation systems, asbestos tiles, etc......? Or just my microphone being on?...
All the feds will care about is policy and procedure, nothing about how your boss got his merit promotion and assignment. They will care less.
12/05/2015 07:17:00 AM
The real problem now will be the statements of all of the officers on the scene of McDonald's shooting. Some will be hard to explain. The nightmare is not over, yet.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The bottom line is that you are responsible for covering your own ass. Don't expect anyone, especially the city, to cover it for you. Camera doesn't work, document it. Audio off? Document it. You'll spend extra time in the station, but if you don't, it's on you. No one will care that you just wanted to get out and do your job so you didn't stop to write it down.
Now maybe you "on the job lawyers" can answer this: If the officer that got punched by a protester, the one Anita let go, if he didn't agree to the release, does he have a case to sue the Cook County States Attorney? We all know it was for Anita's political reasons. We all know it makes us (police) less safe. How about it? It's about time we get our case out in front of the public. Is it time for the police to begin suing?
12/05/2015 10:49:00 AM
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Only a guess but I doubt he could sue the CCST office but should be able to sue the moron that punched him. It might take some time to get any money but, ok, "maybe", sooner or later that mutt will have some kind of income that can be garnished.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The bottom line is that you are responsible for covering your own ass. Don't expect anyone, especially the city, to cover it for you. Camera doesn't work, document it. Audio off? Document it. You'll spend extra time in the station, but if you don't, it's on you. No one will care that you just wanted to get out and do your job so you didn't stop to write it down.
Now maybe you "on the job lawyers" can answer this: If the officer that got punched by a protester, the one Anita let go, if he didn't agree to the release, does he have a case to sue the Cook County States Attorney? We all know it was for Anita's political reasons. We all know it makes us (police) less safe. How about it? It's about time we get our case out in front of the public. Is it time for the police to begin suing?
12/05/2015 10:49:00 AM
Prosecutors and judges have immunity. They can not be sued. Police can be sued.
Anyone else notice that reporters interviewing Ecalattte never asked what the protocol for, and turn around time is, for repairs of a video cameras that don't work and need repair. The reporters also never asked what percentage of camers are operational at any given time.
With the department now trying to shift the blame of the poor maintenance of the in car cameras,
you should also send your boss' a department email reporting the inoperable camera.
Also copy the FOP. Hey FOP, you should start having officers send emails to keep track of various
equipment outages, tasers, cameras, PDT. This information can be used to dispute department lies
they give the media.
Leave a long paper trail.
What's crazy about this is ,I see police dashcam videos from the 80's with audio that back then look pretty damn good. They have to use a Power of the purse style system in Chicago and Illinois. But lets stick to Chicago. Who picked these current dash cams and with what company and who profited from it? 'FOLLOW THE MONEY' Do the same with the Red light cameras,parking meters and all of the other shit and see how many conflicts of interest you find. It would be such a scam if they do an investigation and not one alderman or politician ,past and present doesn't go down for something .
Leave Escalante alone; he is now the act supt and he must do what tha position demands and not what he did before
Are they going to issue anything to hold the mike in or are we supposed to just put it in our pocket during every stop?
To 12:47 AM
That's cool...... "substitute supe"
12/05/2015 12:44:00 AM
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Had a few cocktails, huh?
So, there are none of those carriers to properly secure the mics and I'm responsible it it gets lost. I think we should start downing cars with the bum headlight the bad teams. The engine light on. Etc. and how much money did the now defunct license reader and ticket printers waist. Did those ever work?
HB 4349 - Synopsis As Introduced:
Amends the Illinois Police Training Act. Provides that on or before January 1, 2017, the Law Enforcement Training Standards Board shall adopt rules requiring liability insurance for law enforcement officers and rules providing minimum standards for psychological evaluations for officers including, but not limited to, satisfactory psychological evaluations before serving as an officer and satisfactory psychological evaluations every 5 years. Amends the State Police Act making similar changes for State police officers. Effective immediately.
Link:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4349&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=92967&SessionID=88
SSC, I retired (thank God) this year and I had the experience of working on the cameras for a bit (yeah yeah yeah...I know...the cameras are worthless, and to a degree I agree, but they are what they are). The gorilla in the room that keeps jumping at me is this; why won't they play the REST of the tape? Every clip I see stops when poor old Laquan hits the street, and nothing else is seen. Either the rest of the tape is incriminating to Officer Van Dyke or they refuse to consider the very possible scenario that Laquan was HIGHLY screwed up on the PCP and GOT UP within that 21 foot distance a knife CAN overcome a gun, running towards the Police. Don't get me wrong...if Officer Van Dyke did screw up(and no, I am not Monday morning quarterbacking him), in which case he is screwed. However, if the latter is true,and VERY plausible, God FORBID all of these assholes and assholettes screaming for vengeance, NOT justice would be shit outta luck. Who is kidding who? These "crusaders" for "justice" want to see Officer Van Dyke beat to death and then hung up by piano wire on the Picasso like Mussolini and his girlfriend were. This question won't leave my mind, and I really believe it is very pertinent.
I agree. DON'T take out a vehicle if it doesn't conform to any safety standard. Tires, fumes or equipment. Have it towed or take it to the MMD. Don't accept an unsafe pool vehicle either.
Off Topic:
- Did anyone hear Alderman Taliferro (lame duck ex-CPD&FOP endorsed) say on WBBM "...if Laquan were white, the situation (outcome) would have been different...".
(SunTimes:Among those who marched around City Hall 16 times -- representing each bullet that struck McDonald -- were Cook County Commissioners Richard Boykin and Jesus "Chuy" Garcia as well as Chicago Ald. Chris Taliaferro (29th) and the Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. of the Rainbow Push Coalition)
- So did this merit hack just jump on the PrickWrinkle Band Wagon?
Let's see if FOP continues to support of this slug.
They're going to start dropping the hammer on the front line supervisors too for this also.
If an officer takes a hit for not reporting a problem with audio and video then his/her supervisor is probably going to get tagged to.
Big Brother is tightening his grip on the poor grunts in a beat car.
Ha (Semi military organization)
The Chain of Command is responsible for everything their command does or fails to do
How about standing up to the politician and Standing up for your people?
....So who's responsible for the crappy training?
The Crappy discipline and enforcement of the bad apples?
No Standards throughout all the districts?
Why Don't Inspectors check the district paperwork and procedures? Ensure that facilities and equipment are up to Standard.
Massive salary for correcting Coppers uniforms Really? Doesn't the WC do that or the sgt?
Why the DA Shit Clouted "I'm in Charge" ChIraq WaY that's who
-No Standards by political hacks
Funny the US military has a school for commanders But no finishing school for CPD commanders -just a phone call
*keep thinking your a 4 star general and not a CPD wannabe
Stay Safe boys and girls
The coffee maker
Escalante could say whatever sounds like good public relations but the union has to not sign off on holding officers more accountable! its not us, it's them same peoples fault!
when you sign-in on the PDT for the tour of duty in the COMMENTS BOX type in the condition of the video and audio mics and ticket number and sgt badge # notified! you just created an electronic paper trail!
I am just glad I dont work for CPD anymore... When you get another job offer to go FED LEO, or retirement.... TAKE IT.
This is what CPD PO is--- a cash cow for a law firm that belongs to an alderman, or someone to throw under one of those long slinky bus you see driving on lake shore... this is not the 1990s no more.
Emanuel was in 007 saying he had our backs... Like he had mccarthy's? I wish I was there to tell him exactly what is up. What's the worst that can happen? He makes me a patrolman for life? I'm on bid in 007. What the fuck can he do? It's a pity he came on my rdo.
Lt's test cheating scandal!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kind of like checking your vehicle while re-fueling. Never had a class at the academy on checking a police vehicles engine fluids. I've come across many vehicles without an owners book too. Hey, I have the dealer check my car..
12/05/2015 10:26:00 AM
Isn't that training done by FTOs
I knew of FTOs that had PPOs change a tire on a squad just for practice.
I remember when we took the camera training in the academy. All we saw was an old film and the academy couldn't even find one car from any district to come and allow officers to get hands on experience. This city lacks in training po's. Why spend money on training when all the alderman, mayor, and his puppets have their hands in the cookie jar.
Esclante 1.0 - Asked and answered.
For now, Escalante said he plans on continuing McCarthy's policies, including holding weekly meetings on CompStat, the department's data-driven strategy that uses crime statistics and street intelligence to hold police brass accountable for their neighborhoods.
With Chicago's homicides up about 13 percent and shootings even more so over last year, Escalante also pledged to continue McCarthy's overtime initiative that calls for as many as 200 veteran officers to work every day on their days off in 20 of the most dangerous areas of the city's South and West sides.
Even though the overtime program has cost city taxpayers around $100 million or more a year since 2013, Escalante believes the investment is necessary.
"And I know there are some critics that question the amount of overtime that's spent," he said. "But again, in the long term, versus hiring someone, having them go through a career, paying them the pension, there's still a cost savings down the line that people sometimes forget."
Just like the PDT's, computers, and printers in the station houses. Everything will break and never be replaced...Does any station still have a fully functioning surveillance system...? I think not. Even when the new station houses were built, they had pretty good surveillance in the sally ports and the lockups. How many of us are still using windows XP...? Just give it time...This will go away too
So my partner and I are wearing our Mikes for the first time in..... Ever. We see a p.o. Struggling with Joe shithead on the corner. Jump out assist. Joe shithead yells "someone record this what dey doin to mee!" my partner goes, calm down. What your doing now is being audio and visually recorded,we were sent here from a dispatched job. Joe shitheads demeanor changes in the blink of an eye and 100 percent complies with all following questions and interview.
12/05/2015 10:51:00 AM is the definition of a troll. Mic on his lapel? Yeah that's where we wear it dummy!
What difference does it make if the equipment is crap, cheap, pos, etc etc. Who cares? If it doesn't work, cya and get a repair ticket. Is it so hard to do? All kinds of bs excuses about not doing the simplest thing. WTF! Enough with the whining already. You have to make sure all the equipment is working. Including the camera. Get over it already. Professionals my hairy ass.
I'll take that responsibility and raise you two $2 because every time I don't have a working camera I'll be downing the vehicle. The department requires me to wear a vest because we might get shot. I agree, good policy. The department requires me to carry a gun because we are more likely than not to be shot if we didn't carry a weapon. Yup with you, so far. Cuffs? More likely than not I might need those too.
So what's that squad, we're in a rap? Sorry, hold all calls I'm on foot and clear across the district and it's going to take me time to walk over there for that person with a gun call, domestic, burglary, DUI, strong arm, etc.
This event doesn't require you to wear a mic anyways. This is criminal in nature not an IVC code stop. It's illegal to record audio and the audio would not be admissible in court. Lapel mics are only required on IVC code stops. Know your general orders and use them to your advantage.
4:09pm....think u still proved the point being made which was, due to poor installation the factory warranties are void. Doesn't matter who installed them.
Our camera (in 019) hasn't been working properly for the past few months. I have personally, and repeatedly, notified a Sgt to obtain a ticket number with no results. I don't understand the laziness
Last week I did nothing...nothing but answers my calls.
The sgt questioned me about no activity...nothing occurrd in my presence sarge.
Why no contact cards...no reasonable suspicion sarge.
If this continues you may be counseled...I'll answer it at the appropriate time sarge.
I must say, I have 28 years on so there's not much they can do to me. Watch and furlough wise.
My point is they have to prove you didn't take action.
Honestly asking here... What about if I've never been trained in the system? AND that I've requested via To/From to get said training... And I can't log on due to not being trained... Is THAT still my fault?
"Fleet hasn't wired cars in nearly a decade...they contract it out to another low bidder..." -- SCC
Fleet used to rebuild whole police cars. Hive up good parts from junkers...now, as you say, it's "outsource" and low-bid all the way.
This creates Rahm's "accountability," right? Uh huh.
Did anyone hear Alderman Taliferro (lame duck ex-CPD&FOP endorsed) say on WBBM "...if Laquan were white, the situation (outcome) would have been different..."
12/05/2015 07:59:00 PM
Yeah, nobody will be allowed to block major streets and store entrances, nobody will be lugging coffins around the Miami Beach City Hall chanting "TWO SHOTS COVERUP! TWO SHOTS COVERUP!" Nobody will be "protesting" in front of police HQ in the middle of the night with their "middle schoolers dancing to gangster rap."
Razor-wielding bank robber down there was white.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/06/miami-police-shot-and-killed-razor-wielding-bank-robbery-suspect
Anyone notice the cloth on the inside of the roof of these Tahoes shows marks of water damage? Or that water literally drips through holes in the roof, through the opening for the camera monitor, and down onto the pdt?
Pathetic equipment and training provided for the department.
Warranties don't fix cameras or cars people do. Lots of repairs are made outside of warranties stop your whining.
"When you get into that car, test the in-car camera and the audio. Make sure it’s working. That’s your responsibility..."
..and then get down to the 50-Point Golden Checklist Of Quality Without Which No Pre-Owned Car Leaves Our Lot.
Remember 3,000-mile "full chassis lube" stickers inside the door?
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"How many of us are still using windows XP...?
12/05/2015 10:35:00 PM
About one billion people in China, and every running box has the same long alphanumeric "unique product code..."
Them CDs get around, huh? Copycopycopy...
>grin<
Hey, check this out, in a third world country the police actually did their job right.....
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=597_1449025270
CPD will turn on a dime in a minute. When Escalante was given the nod for interim here came the high praise, working cop in the trenches, solid cop,the workn Police, the standard bullshit. On his 1st implementation of policy, he became a stone jagoff sellout, hasn't even been in the position for a week. Amazing.You clowns are certifiable.
Up in 016 the fop is really praising all the good that will come with the wearing of body cameras by the fop reps. He is always saying after certain jobs how a body camera would have been great if it were worn by a officer during the incident. So I wouldn't hold your breath on fop saying anything against wearing body camera in fact is sounds via the fop reps that fop is all for them.
Did Y'all know that Taser Corp. makes body cameras , and will be part of the new pilot programs to attempt to get that multi-million dollar contract from the city? Now you do....The More You know---Uncle Terry
The equipment we have that never works properly, always makes me think of The Wire. The only somewhat authentic police show in history. McNulty always had to trade favors with the feds just to get anything electronic that worked. The Baltimore equipment was decades outdated and useless...I Guess Coban technologies must have the city of Baltimore contract for Cams too. Surprised these shit boxes in our squads aren't reel to reel or 8-track. When it inevitably doesn't work: Document it, CYA, Stay Fetal and go home safe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Leaving CPD was the best decision I ever made. Life outside of Chicago and the dept would blow your mind and make you realize how insane staying in the city is. Life it too short for this kind of bullshit.
Where's my sunscreen?
12/05/2015 12:13:00 PM
Couldn't agree more. There are CIVILIZED people outside of that crap town.
Here in 016 there's a car with a broken camera that was called into 4-Data last May.......still waiting for it to be fixed but no it's our( the officers responsibility) for it not working? We're driving cars with over 140,000 miles on them, they make more noise than a baby rattle, they leak water, wires are all over the floor hanging from the door jams, and the PDTs work very inconsistently. And AIRA is always down on the PDTs but I guess it's the fault of the officers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Leaving CPD was the best decision I ever made. Life outside of Chicago and the dept would blow your mind and make you realize how insane staying in the city is. Life it too short for this kind of bullshit.
Where's my sunscreen?
12/05/2015 12:13:00 PM
Couldn't agree more. There are CIVILIZED people outside of that crap town.
..............
I left the job, city, county and state within 30 days. Like many, I was born and raised and lived only in the city of Chicago my entire life. In fact I never had a job outside of Chicago, even as a kid. Now that I have something to compare my former life to, I have said numerous times that I feel like I came from another planet.
This event doesn't require you to wear a mic anyways. This is criminal in nature not an IVC code stop. It's illegal to record audio and the audio would not be admissible in court. Lapel mics are only required on IVC code stops. Know your general orders and use them to your advantage.
12/06/2015 12:26:00 AM
You might want to actually take a peek at the orders. You're now supposed to record a lot more than IVC stops. Learn the shit before you try to preach it.
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