Wednesday, January 20, 2016

Thirteen Death Investigations

  • Skull fragments found in a Fuller Park industrial building are human and were likely donated to science "long ago," according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

    The bones were found Monday morning as the floor was being dug up at the building in the 200 block of West Root Street, officials said.

    "The 13 fragments of human skulls included cranial caps, bases of skulls that had been sectioned and mandibles," the office said in a statement. "The bones had been previously sawed in a manner consistent with dissection for teaching purposes and/or autopsy. One non-human bone was also examined."
Suuuuure they were. Rahm doesn't need the homicide rate going any further up that it already has. This is exactly the story we'd come up with, too, if we were Garry McCompStat.

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45 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still, dem bones do present a mystery. Ancient murder, or maybe more modern murder??

1/20/2016 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like a lost/found property report to me

1/20/2016 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was Dart seen there earlier looking for Gacy victims?

1/20/2016 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah that its all those crazy medical students have multiple skull and bury them!
even thou a real skull goes for a grand on the black market today.

The medical examiner will never say how the skulls ended up in that area.
I hope the Dicks just keep it as a death investigation till DNA pops. SO near Bridgeport too?

1/20/2016 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It could be legit. Murderers don't typically saw apart skulls.

1/20/2016 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dumassbar students

1/20/2016 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw a few episodes of the Soprano's where they chopped up bodies. I'm just sayin....

1/20/2016 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Grabowski said...

Yes . . . I suspect the cranial remains were as a result of some of Chicago's best and brightest Honor Students boning up on basic anatomy. One would expect nothing less of aspiring brain surgeons.

1/20/2016 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't seen any front pages with our final homicide numbers from 2015. I guess they have more important things to report on.
Murder is so 'been there done that' in chicago.

1/20/2016 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dem bones, dem bones, dem crazy bones

They linger for some time

But, blood and meat are one fine treat

Turned quickly into slime

So, when dem bones, dem crazy bones

Pop up from time to time

I say a prayer and leave them there

Which, for me, is not a crime












Chalkie

1/20/2016 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't there tests to determine how long ago the person died from the bone chemistry and radio-chemistry?
If so, how old are the bones?

1/20/2016 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm too tired to ask all the questions that need to be asked, but here's one...how did human skull pieces get buried in an industrial building?!

1/20/2016 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hah. And you know when you are done with the science part you sink the bodies under cement.

1/20/2016 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Either way they slice it up the unlucky people are dead. Is Rahm for real!!!

1/20/2016 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is just what Hannibal Lecter wants you to believe!

1/20/2016 02:07:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

What kind of science goes on at 200 W. Root St.? The last science I am familiar with that goes on there is street pharmacology.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

1/20/2016 04:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They were found right in the general area that Family Secrets' trial testimony stated that the Outfit buried bodies. Remember when they dug up the lots around Cellular Field? Just saying.

1/20/2016 04:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kinda like finding all of those bodies in the row-houses on The Wire. Now that was a hell-of-a show.

1/20/2016 07:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One non-human bone? LOL science... They can really tell just by looking at it? Or "examining" it? So does anyone know how to tell the difference?

1/20/2016 07:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The old Bridgeport crew,was into medical science ?

1/20/2016 07:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why the rush to blow this case off?

I don't know any IAD investigation that have ever closed in a matter of days?

Yet skulls buried in a ground are considered lost property? I believe the missing persons unit have thousand of missing never found time to earn that pay!

1/20/2016 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



HH Holmes did it.




1/20/2016 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Transmaster said...

Hey somebody start a rumor these bones are the remains of Native Americans. The crapola will hit the fan. How dare they dig up the remains of our ancestors,etc, etc, etc, ;^) This will bring the Fed's in. Har-de-har-har.

1/20/2016 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wonder how many more will csi find?

1/20/2016 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing to see here.... Move along.

1/20/2016 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hoffa?

1/20/2016 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I'm too tired to ask all the questions that need to be asked, but here's one...how did human skull pieces get buried in an industrial building?!

1/20/2016 01:41:00 AM
the Jimmy Hoffa crew?

1/20/2016 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bradley Sisters?

1/20/2016 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how did human skull pieces get buried in an industrial building?!
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someone was too cheap to dispose of them properly would be my guess.

1/20/2016 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

A government booklet describing sources of scientific and instructional materials for schools --

DOCUMENT RESUME
ED 116 963 SE 020 205
AUTHOR - Quint, Walter C. TITLE - Science Resource Booklet. PUB DATE - 27 Oct 75

-- lists this firm.

Biological Research Products Co., 243 W. Root St., Chicago, Illinois. 60648.

They also advertised in educational and scientific journals -- here's an ad from 1966.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/4441564.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

There were several firms like this in and around Chicago -- "Turtox," Denoyer-Geppert, etc. Pretty much all gone now.

There is a murder case connected with this location, though. Excerpts from the Tribune, Sept. 23, 1969.

Freed in Girl's Death, Convicted Of Helping To Hide Body

"Samuel Saikin, 49, south side business man accused by one of his sons of killing the boy's ex-girlfriend, was found innocent of the murder charge by a Criminal court jury last night.

"The jury, however, found Saikin guilty on a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice by having her body buried on his Indiana farm.

"Joel testified that his father became fond of Ella, who was known to them as Tina Scott Mumma, that he often saw them kissing and hugging, that his father gave her rubdowns in the house, forbidding any other family member to enter the house at such times, and gave her a job at his Biological Research Products company, 245 Root st.

"Joel said his father got Ella to return to her husband, whom she left again, and on Nov. 4, 1967, got her to return by plane to Chicago, met her at O'Hare airport, and took her to his Root Street Biological Research Products plant, where that night he shot and killed her.

"He said his father went to the farm early on the morning of Nov. 5, awakened him, told him he had killed the girl, and that they went to the plant and put the body into a steel container. Joel said the next day he took the container and buried it on the farm..."

http://tinyurl.com/zcvr6vo

Very interesting.

1/20/2016 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

A government booklet describing sources of scientific and instructional materials for schools --

DOCUMENT RESUME
ED 116 963 SE 020 205
AUTHOR - Quint, Walter C. TITLE - Science Resource Booklet. PUB DATE - 27 Oct 75

-- lists this firm.

Biological Research Products Co., 243 W. Root St., Chicago, Illinois. 60648.

They also advertised in educational and scientific journals -- here's an ad from 1966.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/4441564.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

There were several firms like this in and around Chicago -- "Turtox," Denoyer-Geppert, etc. Pretty much all gone now.

There is a murder case connected with this location, though. Excerpts from the Tribune, Sept. 23, 1969.

Freed in Girl's Death, Convicted Of Helping To Hide Body

"Samuel Saikin, 49, south side business man accused by one of his sons of killing the boy's ex-girlfriend, was found innocent of the murder charge by a Criminal court jury last night.

"The jury, however, found Saikin guilty on a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice by having her body buried on his Indiana farm.

"Joel testified that his father became fond of Ella, who was known to them as Tina Scott Mumma, that he often saw them kissing and hugging, that his father gave her rubdowns in the house, forbidding any other family member to enter the house at such times, and gave her a job at his Biological Research Products company, 245 Root st.

"Joel said his father got Ella to return to her husband, whom she left again, and on Nov. 4, 1967, got her to return by plane to Chicago, met her at O'Hare airport, and took her to his Root Street Biological Research Products plant, where that night he shot and killed her.

"He said his father went to the farm early on the morning of Nov. 5, awakened him, told him he had killed the girl, and that they went to the plant and put the body into a steel container. Joel said the next day he took the container and buried it on the farm..."

http://tinyurl.com/zcvr6vo

Very interesting.

1/20/2016 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

"HH Holmes did it."

1/20/2016 09:41:00 AM

...or maybe Adolph Luetgert. Remember him?

From what I "excavated" today, there really could be some kinda "sausage factory" thing here.

Remember 'em ground-radaring and digging up that front yard over on Elston re. the Gacy thing? Maybe it's time to throw a "stop work" on whatever this is on Root St. and go through it good.

1/20/2016 04:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bunch of empty fava bean cans too

1/20/2016 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ol' Chalkie is one talented Dude!

1/20/2016 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

Also mentioned in Sept. 23, 1969 Tribune reportage re the Saikin/Biological Products case -- a warehouse used by Saikin at "10241 Avenue 0"

Mmm...

Anyone?

1/20/2016 08:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC says, "The bones were found Monday morning as the floor was being dug up at the building in the 200 block of West Root Street, officials said."


So why were the bones in the floor? Hmmmmmm, that's my take.

1/21/2016 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's not mention that Samuel Saikin, the guy who owned both the warehouse and the "Biological Research Products" company was charged with murder and obstruction of justice after his own son testified that he had killed Ella Jean Scott in the warehouse at 243 W Root after he failed in his attempt to lobotomize her and adopt her as his own daughter to keep as his sex slave...... And of course Sam Saikin admitted burying her body on his farm but blamed his son for murdering her. Of course he had Peter Georges for a defense attorney, and Hanrahan was the State's Attorney back then so he walked after 3 months in prison.

Now we find numerous human skulls and parts concealed under concrete at the scene of his known and admitted lobotomy attempt/murder. Nothing to see here...move along

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1969/09/17/page/10/article/son-accuses-dad-of-killing-girl-friend

1/21/2016 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One word: Gacy

1/21/2016 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

Story just broke on WBBM radio -- son is 70 by now. Not using son's name (Joel Saikin) because "he doesn't want to air the family's dirty laundry."

*

General legal reminder -- No statute of limitations on murder.

...and who knows how many "missings" might finally be found...

1/21/2016 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

Bone Fragments Found in South Side Warehouse are from Human Skulls: Medical Examiner

Building where human skulls were found once housed biological specimen facility and were most likely donated to science years ago.

Beverly-MtGreenwood, IL
By Lorraine Swanson (Patch Staff) January 20, 2016 12:01 am ET

"A mysterious discovery of bones unearthed during excavation of a South Side warehouse on Monday are from human skulls, the Cook County Medical Examiner’s Office said.

"The 13 bone fragments were found at 243 W. Root in the city’s Fuller Park neighborhood. The building owner was tearing up the floor when he found what police termed “unusual objects.”

"The bones, described as five skulls and a jawbone, were bagged and turned over to the medical examiner and Central Area detectives.

"Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Stephen Cina examined the bones Tuesday, along with a forensic anthropology consultant.

"The 13 fragments of the human skulls included cranial caps, bases of skulls that had been sectioned and mandibles, the medical examiner’s office said in a news release.

"The bones had been previously sawed in a manner consistent with dissection for teaching purposes or autopsy. Only one of the bones was determined to be non-human during Tuesday’s examination.

"The Medical Examiner’s Office will not issue a death certificate or perform additional studies on the skull fragments.

"Investigators determined the remains were likely donated to science long ago. According to the investigation, the building where the bones were found once housed a biological specimen facility.

"The building is reportedly for sale."

http://tinyurl.com/hvxqvjp

"The dead cannot cry out for justice. It is a duty of the living to do so for them."

-- Lois McMaster Bujold

1/21/2016 02:03:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

Time magazine too...

Crime: Between Father and Son

Friday, Oct. 03, 1969

"When police first recovered the body of 18-year-old Ella Jean Scott from a grave on a Chesterton, Ind. farm last February, their chief problem lay in deciding which of two conflicting stories to believe. According to slim, handsome Joel Saikin, 25, his father Samuel, 49, had murdered the go-go dancer in his Chicago warehouse and enlisted his son's help in disposing of her body. According to the elder Saikin, Joel was the girl's killer. Joel passed a lie-detector test, and the authorities put papa on trial for murder. But after hearing all the evidence in a Chicago courtroom last..."

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901509,00.html

Unfortunately the rest is paywalled...

Full text of court decisions here --

http://www.leagle.com/decision/197155349Ill2d504_1481/THE%20PEOPLE%20v.%20SAIKEN

...and here --

http://law.justia.com/cases/illinois/supreme-court/1971/43004-6.html

1/21/2016 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ol' Chalkie is one talented Dude!

1/20/2016 07:39:00 PM


I'd blush, but, as you know, I'm unsubstantial.






Chalkie

1/21/2016 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, so what's going on in here?

http://tinyurl.com/ju4wu4u

Who knows. Who cares. Not worth a look, I guess.

Wouldn't want to "air anyone's dirty laundry," as we were told.

1/25/2016 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and at this congenial location?

http://tinyurl.com/gsyb4wp

Again, who knows...

1/25/2016 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More legal material regarding the search of the Saikin farm in Chesterton, Ind., where a body WAS dug up...

http://openjurist.org/546/f2d/1292/united-states-saiken-v-b-bensinger-j

1/25/2016 10:23:00 AM  

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