Another Dumb Idea
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
The Beatles
Yet another reason to pack up the car and leave Illinois:
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
The Beatles
Yet another reason to pack up the car and leave Illinois:
- There's a new push to tax you based on the number of miles you drive.
Gas tax revenue has fallen in Illinois, so this would be a way to make money off everyone, including hybrid and electric car drivers. But some critics worry about how the government will monitor the miles you drive.
[...] State Senate leader John Cullerton is pushing for a 1.5 cent per mile tax to fund road repairs, saying with more people driving fuel-efficient vehicles and electric vehicles, gas tax revenue is on the decline.
Has any politician in Illinois ever some up with a plan that doesn't involve raising taxes? Because we can't think of one, and even the "temporary" tax raises they push through Springfield have a nasty habit of turning "permanent" in short order.
Labels: money questions
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
85 Comments:
Ask Cullerton if he will pay the tax when his drunken kid takes the state-owned car, using state-paid-for gas, and gets pulled over for a 501.
Tax all the bicyclists over 18 yoa by implementing a bike tag, similar to what motorcycles have. Bicyclists use the roads for pleasure, work, to race along the lake front as if it was their own special course, and have special lanes designated for them, etc. Make the bicyclists help pay for the roads they use.
These politicians need to be hanging from trees.
Politicians want you to conserve energy, so people are driving less and using less gas. Therefore revenue from the gas tax is down. So now the politicians want to add another tax. Your dam if you do, and dam if you don't. Keep on coming with the taxes and watch more and more citizens drive right out of this state.
If this passes, I will revise my plan to move out of Cook county. I will leave the state of Illinois and take my forty thousand dollars of annual discretionary income with me.
I'm done. Bottled water tax, parking permit fees, inflated real estate taxes, plastic bag drama. I'm over regulated, underserved and unprotected. It's impossible to drive a car in this city, thanks to unnecessary bike lanes everywhere and potholes and conflicting construction projects tying up miles of through streets and major intersections.
Now, it's turn the Ike into a tollway, raise the gas tax to fund another useless giveaway program, then tax my mileage, put a METER into my car to VERIFY my mileage, add a garbage pickup fee... I AM DONE with the fiefdom that is Chicago and the state of Madiganistan.
Illinois has a double tax on a gallon of gas 18 cents exise tax and 6 percent on the total price.
Probably they will monitor the little computer that runs all modern cars. They are reaching for the 100% taxation mark. After all, doesn't all the money belong to the government anyway? Vote democrat.
Wisconsin has no toll roads, great roads with colder weather,lower gas prices,Cullerton Corruption.
Nothing like Big Brother knowing everywhere you go.
That would never be abused.
I hope it passes and I'll drive my car right out of this state in 3 years along with everyone else......
No one would ever disconnect the measuring devices...
And they wonder why everyone is leaving the state of Illinois. Stop giving away free shit and there would be money for roads and things that are needed!
I can't wait to leave also!
If they buy a good GPS Mileage Tax Monitor, when revenues fall short of their goals, they can start using the speed monitor and charge people for speeding too! It would be even better than the redlight cameras for revenue!
Gee, how could they do that . ....they would require car to infrastructure communication . ..that would take years to develop and implement .
Unless . ..it's already here . Planned all along .
Nah , that's a conspiracy theory .
Assholes .
Sorry but they got it wrong: gas revenues are not down because of the reasons they listed; its fiend because people like me take an empty tank to Indiana to gas up. And while I'm there, I shop too.
I give as little taxes, fees, etc to Chicago, Cook County, and the State as I possibly can.
"But some critics worry about how the government will monitor the miles you drive."
Oh, that'll be easy. The insurance companies -- I think State Farm is out in front -- are pushing like mad to get GPS into your car, reporting your driving habits back to them real-time, to be used in determining your risk and your insurance rates.
They are already into "smartwatch/health monitors" that will make sure you go to the gym and make sure you spend the mandated time there, and the heart rate transmitted back and so forth will verify that you are exercising, not just snapping towels at people.
I'm not kidding.
"The Internet Of Things." One company that manufactures the sensors to make smart refrigerators, alarm clocks, heating systems, everything, says that "99% of the objects in the world are not connected to the Internet.
"We aim to change that."
Body cameras for everyone next, for both life and health insurance. Are you safely home reading a book of affirmations, or are you hanging outside Target Range Liquors at 3 AM?
Inquiring minds want to know.
"Make the bicyclists help pay for the roads they use."
4/15/2016 12:21:00 AM
I believe that the law says that bicyclists are "not the intended users of the road, just the allowed users." This has been used to shoot down lawsuits by cyclists injured from hitting potholes, construction debris, storm drain covers that your front wheel will drop into, malfunctioning traffic lights, missing signs, poor/stupid design (like those curb "buildouts" in some areas that you can hit, and that force you out into traffic in some areas), etc.
Aim this gun a little higher. Stop the obscenely wealthy with their Panamanian law firms and the huge corporations from "offshoring" everything, and you won't need to be sending bills to some poor guy trying to get to the grocery store.
In 1992, Bill Clinton won the election on a platform of NOT raising taxes... WTF would someone vote for a politician who will raise your taxes.
SCC, I don't want U Guys getting in trouble. "Iron Mike" Ryan doesn't like The Beatles and if she finds out about U using a quote from "Tax Man" that could be the end of Ur career. She knows music and may come down with force on U that this PO is really scared of. Please be sensitive to 1 of The CPD's greatest Captains who knows Chicago Culture and is no stranger to The World's fine Culture as well.
Captain Iron Mike Ryan is like the guy on HBO's Silicon Valley, He Fucks, this guy fucks.
There's not an once or scrap of evidence to suggest otherwise.
Go, Lil' Mikey, cuz U fuck.....,,,
I have a simpler idea: end the Sanctuary City status in Chicago. Think of the hundreds of millions of dollars we would save not feeding, housing and incarcerating people that are here illegally every year.
Let's start with some simple common sense ways to SPEND less money before we raise taxes again, and kill our city.
Ask your alderman if the support Sanctuary City status for illegals and vote against them if they do. Your survival depends on it. Look for it nationally too.
"Now, it's turn the Ike into a tollway..."
4/15/2016 12:55:00 AM
...and they want to WIDEN it somehow.
No funding available for it now, but this is such a HUGE project that they will have to widen and expand all kinds of other streets and highways to acommodate the detoured traffic before they even start. Years off -- if it ever happens at all.
When I was born, there were 150 million people in the U.S. Now there are over 300 million -- and lots more to come.
Overpopulation is one of the biggest threats to civilization -- to the environment, to freedom (more people = laws on top of laws on top of laws, to try to hold the lid on), to your pocketbook, to your very sanity.
It's like "festival seating" (i.e., bare concrete floor) at the old rock concerts. Pack as many in there as you can, and run around snatching up the loose change dislodged in the chaos...
Yeah, this will work well
Politicians and their staffs/families will be exempt
Religious and charities will be exempt
State vehicles will be exempt
and of course the "poor" will be exempt
The words "cut spending" are not in the Democratic Dictionary.
Another idea for Illinois to steal tax money! How does this work when you travel outside of crooked Illinois. Or are we NOT allowed to take road trips because of this big brother garbage! I have a better idea, VOTE Cullerton out of office and send this dummy to the unemployment line!
The final step will be limiting mileage to save the planet from global warming. Then, because tax revenue plummeted, double or more the tax charges to compensate for the loss of tax revenue.
I try to buy absolutely nothing in Chicago, cook county or this shit assed state of Illinois. when i do purchase something like a computer or iPad i purchase it on craigslist, you can find some awesome deals on computers and iPads that are like new and work just as well as a new one for a third of the price and no crooked sales tax. if the state ever tries to tax my craigslist or garage sale purchases i will never pay their corrupt and illegal taxes. no one is going to track my mileage to charge a tax on it either. i will register all my vehicles including my boat to my friends house in wisconsin no later than next weekend.
Anonymous said...
Sorry but they got it wrong: gas revenues are not down because of the reasons they listed; its fiend because people like me take an empty tank to Indiana to gas up. And while I'm there, I shop too.
I give as little taxes, fees, etc to Chicago, Cook County, and the State as I possibly can.
4/15/2016 03:14:00 AM
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Me Too!
Been doing it for years.
DuPage County Il sales tax rate is 7.25%
DuPage Cty runs along IL Rte. 83. Close enough that I can hope in the expressway and be there in 15 minutes.
If I am nearer to the border, I shop in Wisc., Ind,.
They copied that moronic proposal from the west coast-(I'm thinking Oregon,but not sure).
And comparing Cullerton and the Dems to morons is an insult to morons everywhere.
I do not patronize areas with high taxes, "convenience fees," and gotcha costs.
It's that simple.
Starve the beast.
Perhaps the State should consider taxing welfare, food subsidies, housing subsidies medicaid benefits and the like, as many people who benefit from such subsidies now take in more revenue annually than many hard working American families gain from actually working.
Indiana looking really good. Still close to family. I don't mind hillbillies. I can't deal with dumb politicians that want to empty my pockets and bank account.
Cut the spending of the State of Illinois? NEVER
Fund the pensions? NEVER
Spend money on bullshit projects,giveaways, unnecessary stuff? YES
Raise taxes? YES
Balance the budget? NEVER
Continue to Vote for me so I can stay in office?????? (Your answer here)
There is no way they could monitor if you even drive in the state. I live on a border town and my car spends most of its time in Wisconsin or Arizona. The only reason I still "reside" in the state is because they do not tax our pensions.
Years ago I brought a naive farm boy into the City. He thought it was odd that you had to pay to get into the City. He thought it was worse that you had to pay to get out of it.
There was a better class of politician 200 years ago. Get out of line and you'd be in tar and feathered. Now they have free reign and even enrich themselves. How did Hastert pay 3.5 mil an hush money and not even put a dent in his bank account?
How many people will they need to hire in order to monitor all of these odometers? Plus, they plan to credit you for your gas purchases just to tax you on your mileage...so complex and convoluted. Save my gas receipts for a bloody year? Aren't we trying to make taxes easier instead of crazier?
Then, they'll out-source it and there will be a scandal over whoever they use? Cause it will be a Mell or Daley or someone like that.
Just jack the the income tax levels back up to the temporary rates that Quinn implemented....too easy?
03:14:00 AM
As a taxpayer of Indiana we appreciate all your spending in our state.
Actually, the worst damage caused to roads is by the vehicles with the highest weight-per-tire, like loaded trucks, but some of the heavier passenger cars too. The weather has a big impact obviously, but the damage from vehicles is literally correlated with the vehicles carrying the most weight-per-tire.
If they want to tax miles driven, they should at least take weight into account.
Cutting costs isn't even part of the consideration anymore. These azzholes will drive us all over the cliff.
So I pay a wheel tax in Chicago with my sticker......a wheel tax for state plates....and now you want to tax what have already taxed.
Time for a tea party
How would they know if I'm putting miles on illinois roadways or any other states roadways? If they aren't using GPS to calculate the milage then just tracking distance is going to charge people unfairly, not that they care. That being said, wouldn't all other states then have a claim against the taxes collected by illinois for the miles driven on their roadways? Seems impossible.
Excessive taxation without representation sounds familiar...........
What piece of shit company is going to the contract on installing these on cars and violating our warranty?
Why do you think they want COMPUTER CONTROLLED CARS? Control the speed, how far long you drive, etc. If a hacker can get into a bank, website, etc.,
These politicians, left leaning SOBs are power freaks!
Like the power companies. You conserve: they raise the rates so "the community" doesn't get heat turned off. You freeze at 67 and they have it at 85 with the windows open!
You have a high phone bill so "the community" has free phone and now, free internet!
Welcome to AMERIKKA! Sad!
OT- (but real close).
The IRS just gave a 600K grant to fund a study to determine why people "cheat" on their taxes. Retired copper, accountant and fraud examiner here. Think I could answer that without a study.
Only ONE Presidential candidate running for office is pushing a flat tax for business and individuals both. Choose wisely - Vet well.
The "On Board Diagnostic II"(OBDII) A modern cars have (since 1996) records your mileage, gas mileage, and other data which the car dealer uses for servicing. I hate to say it but there is all kinds of goodies a crap politician could extract taxes from. Mileage, you could extrapolate gas used by the gas flow sensors. However the flash drives that store this info can be re-flashed thus erasing any such data. Dealers do this sort of thing anyway when they update the firmware in the control units on vehicles. So I can see "tune-up" shops 100 feet over the border with neighboring states. Joe's Tune Shop,"your all in one place for car servicing, we will even "wipe" your windows, and "vacuum" the carpet. This is in no way illegal because you are not altering the emission controls.
I have no problem spending 20 minutes to jump over the border to fill up on gas, grocery shop, and head on over to Cabela's to stock up. Keep pushing people away you dumbass politicians.
Would I get taxed for the miles if my car gets stolen in one of the highest auto theft cities of the US?
Follow the Money! Who is selling the gauges to measure the mileage, and whom are they selling them to. Tens of Millions of dollars will be involved in the contracts to sell these instruments. And where there is money to be made, an Illinois politician will be nearby.
The higher the gas price the more Illinois makes,Gas has a 6% tax on it,Then add the 10 other taxes on it.
As I recall it, iIt was about ten years ago when this Tax The Car Mileage scheme first made the news.
Some parasite democrat -- naturally -- out in Oregon or Washington State mentioned the idea of Taxing Mileage Driven due to all the efficient cars hitting the road. I said his idea would spread -- DemocRATS & Tax Schemes spread like the Flu. Many folks online thought I was just being a 'mean partisan republican'. Well, okay, I was, but so what. I was also correct.
The fact is that as soon as the first demo-commie run state can figure out how to make this Mileage Tax work, shortly thereafter it'll be in every state.
Naturally you say, there will be a rebate for the Gas Tax you're also paying, after all you're being doubly taxed. Uh-huh, sure. Democrats like giving tax money back. ROTFLMAO !
Maybe revenues are down due to the number of people leaving this shithole state....
Until citizens start demanding privacy legislation that keeps up with technology, the Government will push their way into every nook and cranny of our lives, and think they have a right to do it. This is going waaaaaaay too far, and is quite telling in terms of the demented mindset of elected officials and their assumption that they have a divine right to reach into each and every pocket and purse and take whatever they want.
Highway robbery, literally.
Given the stupidity of this proposed legislation and the response of public outrage it is receiving, one has to wonder if this is simply a diversion to avoid detection for some other shady move they are making.
Just another way to make up for the majority of Chicago residents who pay no taxes at all.
This tax already exists. If you drive more, you buy more gas, you pay more taxes. Rebate my ass. Once again, semantics so it doesn't SOUND like you're getting screwed. But you are.
I also gas up in Indiana when I visit my family. I also shop there as well. I have a trip coming up in a few weeks, and I'm putting together my shopping list right now.
City/police report panel is trying to get out front of the justice department so when the justice department report comes out, they can say "see were already fixing the problem."
I don't think his suggestion is getting much traction so someone will put the brakes on it.
Dumb dumb dumb DUMB! I hope the Gov. Says HELL NO YOU FOOLS! Do they want every single hard working person to leave Illinois? Crazy
Can't wait to leave in a few more years. This state/county/city is beyond help. What slays me is driving through some of the highest real estate taxed areas and seeing "Bernie Sanders" signs posted all over their lawns. The same socialist clown who wants to stick his hands into every one of these people's wallets and redistribute THEIR wealth to all those without. When they elect this fool and see how much more they have to pay and how much less service they get, then they will bitch and cry just like all the very well paid Harvard professors who saw their medical premiums go up after Obamacare was implemented -- the same social program they all supported and pushed for in the beginning. They all cry for economic equality and social justice until ......it a) hits them in the wallet, and/or b) hits them in the face, then steals their wallet.
And as usual, this being the most corrupt state in the nation, there will be exemptions. Anyone on Welfare, democrats and other bottom feeders.
Over 7000 units of Illinois government all with overpaid employees with pensions. More then twice what the closet state has. Cullerton can start with reducing these units, but they won't because they are filled with patronage employees, and many elected officials holding second jobs. But, this tax on miles driven first surfaced on the West coast. They want you to put a meter on your car so they can tell how many miles your drive.
Why not just put a 10% tax on all bribes to public officials! The state and city wold be solvent again in 2 years!
Anonymous said...
Wisconsin has no toll roads, great roads with colder weather,lower gas prices,Cullerton Corruption.
4/15/2016 01:20:00 AM
Yes, but they heavily tax pensions
Senator John J. Cullerton (D)
6th District
President of the Senate
Springfield Office:
Senator 6th District
327 Capitol Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-2728
(217) 782-3242 FAX
District Office:
1726 W. Belmont
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 883-0770
(773) 880-9083 FAX
Share your thoughts with his office.
Another financial blow to the displaced former Belmont & Westerners Dets going to Harrison & Kedzie.
Unless Rahm will require them to haul ass on a Divy to reduce those greenhouse gas emissions that threaten the chillins.
This was an Obongo Plan when gasoline dropped to $50 a bbl. and now to $35 bbl.
Shady Democrats always find a way to take away spend your money with their friends in the construction business.
How about cutting the Democrats pay by 50% since they work part time and still get a gas expense allowance.
I'm now exploring a way to register my cars in Indiana or Wisconsin.
Gas tax my ass.
HEY SCC you forgot One , Pretty soon it will also be IF YOU SO MUCH AS FART - I'll TAX your ASS too . LoL
Didn't we LEAVE ENGLAND for that REASON. ( TAXES ) Now EVERYONE'S LEAVING Chicago too.
The last line of the article......"There's also a proposal to raise the gas tax by $0.30 to $0.60 a gallon. That would make it the highest in the country." Nothing like a good double dip into our pockets.
It goes to show you just how goofy these democrates are these days. The next thing you know is Cullerton will want to tax the air that we breath instead of telling the eternally needy segment of democrates that they have to start pulling their oun weight and middle class Illinoians can,t afford to support themselves with all the democrate taxes and support the very needy peoples, you know what I'm sayen.
How bout figure a way out on how to stop these idiots from having 6 link cards at a time being able to use them for "misc groceries" at the liquor store. We all know what that means. Cigs, booze, bag o hot fries or half cash for the charge. The link card program is a disaster.
Time to move
Fuck these Thief Illinois Politicians and their willing Tools, the Communist Run News Media
Tax Welfare Recipients, Food Stamp Recipients, Public Aid Recipients, Drug Dealers, Gang Members and Politicians instead.
They want to tax because of the eletric cars and hybrids. Easy solution tax the people that have those cars. Then it would be just like normal.
Ok, kill the city sticker and per gallon gas tax; then you can charge me by the mile. No double dipping.
And, all electric vehicles (not hybrids) pay -- get this --- $35 for TWO years of license plates.(compared to your $101) How about making their plates DOUBLE mine since they don't pay any gas taxes and still use the roads? In addition, federal tax credits can go as high as $7500 for electric/hybrids.
Google says:
Illinois is one of only seven states that charge a sales tax at the gas pump! Currently, the state's 6.25 percent sales tax adds nearly 20 cents per gallon to the price of gasoline in Chicago. The county and city sales taxes add an additional 11 cents per gallon to the price.
Cullerton has to go
Instead of taxing our mileage, why not legalize marijuana and prostitution and sell marijuana like cigarettes and tax marijuana. Have red light districts for prostitution and monitor and tax prostitution.
Yes other States tax your pension,Compare housing schools etc etc,Its the cost of living that matters.
Some thoughts:
-They want to use this to some extent to fund public transportation? Shouldn't that be funded by the people who USE it? I'm so sick of millions of taxpayer dollars being used to build public transportation infrastructure, and then extending subsidized rates to people who are too cheap or irresponsible to get their OWN vehicle.
-I own five cars. ALL of them are older than 1996 (I don't like "Air Team" big brother, they can suck it) some of them as old as 1969. Would I be required to purchase electronic crap and install on all cars? Ha ha ha just thinking about it, this will NOT fly.
-So decent cars with adequately-sized V8 engines are phased out because they're inefficient (who's paying for the gas anyway?) and everyone now gets the choice of efficient garbage, or electric or hybrid garbage, and the pols are upset because gas tax revenues are going down? How about, this is America, let ME decide what I want to drive, and stop making things so the manufacturers are forced to build garbage. (direct-injected carbonizing junk, and high-strung and overworked turbo V6s powering FULL SIZED SUVs???) Full-sized big blocks for everyone.
-In closing, whatever the penalty is for not complying with this, or tampering with this, that's what I will get. Yup, I've had enough. I'm sure I'll pay dearly. There will be no monitoring of the miles I drive. This is America, I'm an American, and if you don't like it you can stick it where the sun don't shine.
I was just wondering seriously.
IF someone told you in 1960:
A) that you couldn't smoke a cigarette in a building
B) that you would be strapped in your car 3 ways to sundown
C) people would have their girls "marrying" girls
D) Boys would ask to go to the girls bathroom
E) add "Yield" or "Stop" signs to a RailRoad Crossing sign
F) Give idiots right to walk/dart in front of traffic and you slam on breaks:Right of Way
G) Cigarettes are really bad, but pot is "good." States would legalize it!
H) People would be rewarded for laziness:rent,energy assistance, a phone, etc.
I) A press that was pro-police would turn on them
J) Minorites and women encouraged
K) Hiring "the best" means #3 white loses to #28 black
L) A family jumps over the border, gets free tuition, housing, food stamps...
M) The term Reverend means something very, very different
N) People would pay $1 for a 5 cent candy bar and get less
O) Idiots would pay $1 for water, when it comes out of the tap for free!
P) Professors would teach children how to hate parents, authority
Q) Children would be "dumbed down" (Common Core)....
R) You would be an alcoholic if you blew 0.000000000001!
S) You had 30 "friends" but really 1-2, as the others were on this think called "social media."
T) Words took new meanings: gay, rainbow...
U) You din't know the very country you were in 15 years ago, and that was bad!
W) News anchors guffawed, joked and laughed through a newscast
X) A newscast was who puked on a street in Hollywood
Y) If the president said "party cloudy" and you said "partly sunny" you were a racist
Z) The Cubs still.....
Drive dezzzzzzzzzzz nutzzzzzzzzzzzz
No one answered this fools office phone in the middle of a business day on a Friday. This simpleton wants to tax the few family vacations that I take driving out of Illinois? This is the same asshole who let his son drive a state car while drunk. His son isn't the only one in that family that is a lush bucket.
Tax your drunk driving relatives first you misfit.
Instead of taxing our mileage, why not legalize marijuana and prostitution, and tax marijuana just like cigarettes and have red light districts for prostitution and tax prostitution like in the Netherlands . Illinois can make tons of money.
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