Um, Duh?
- The Chicago Police Department struggled Friday to explain why the third-highest ranking member of the Chicago Fire Department was neither tested for alcohol in his system nor charged with drunken driving after crashing his city-owned SUV this week near Lake Shore Drive in Lincoln Park.
The Chicago Fire Department has concluded that John McNicholas, who ran the Fire Department’s Bureau of Operations, was under the influence of alcohol at the time of the accident.
But the Breathalyzer test was administered hours after the crash happened, at Fire Department headquarters at 35th and State, by the Fire Department’s Internal Affairs Bureau.
Chicago Police officers were on the scene of the accident on LaSalle Drive just off Lake Shore Drive for up to two hours but never administered a field sobriety test or Breathalyzer test, sources said. Four squad cars were dispatched to the scene and were there from 30 minutes to two hours.
Anyone else think that there are a couple careers about to be sacrificed in order to give Eddie Johnson credibility as a "reformer"? You know he isn't going to take any action on the cheating scandal that involves his betrothed. That would point the spotlight at too many people in the past who "assisted" their minions into positions of power - the same minions who are currently picking the next generation of "merit" fuck-ups who will continue to drive this department into the ground.
Rahm has to be jumping up and down with glee - his handpicked superintendent who was already under a cloud for his proximity to this stinking exam scandal, is now obligated to hammer the involved officers, a sergeant or two, maybe even a lieutenant if one showed up. Voila! Reform! Burnished by a couple of hefty suspensions and/or firings.
And to the inevitable trolls who are going to blame the blog for this seeing the light of day, this was all over the Fireside Chat blog almost immediately after it happened - McNicholas is roundly despised among the CFD - and the interested parties had already e-mailed this with numerous photographs to every news outlet they could find. We were at the bottom of a long list of e-mails, so spare us the whining.
Rahm has to be jumping up and down with glee - his handpicked superintendent who was already under a cloud for his proximity to this stinking exam scandal, is now obligated to hammer the involved officers, a sergeant or two, maybe even a lieutenant if one showed up. Voila! Reform! Burnished by a couple of hefty suspensions and/or firings.
And to the inevitable trolls who are going to blame the blog for this seeing the light of day, this was all over the Fireside Chat blog almost immediately after it happened - McNicholas is roundly despised among the CFD - and the interested parties had already e-mailed this with numerous photographs to every news outlet they could find. We were at the bottom of a long list of e-mails, so spare us the whining.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
87 Comments:
Any CFD personnel involved in an accident
while driving CFD vehicles are required to do the
An administrate blow regardless if they appear
impaired.
It's possible, be a professional drinker, he did
not exhibit signs of impairment to the officers
assigned, so no need to conduct field sobriety
tests. That old pesky probable cause comes into play.
Well the administrative blow can definitely be used against him!!!! It's been used against several CPD officers already. The bigger question is who are the dumb asses that decided to sacrifice their careers and family income?. I guarantee you it was only plain LAZY COPS not a cover up.
Enjoy all the American heros calling this guy a "scab" in previous posts. He appearntly came on the job non union during the strike. The funny thing is these fireman love to scream "scab" and then go work the trades on their off days with no union card.
Attention Media and other police haters:
Here is the bottom line.
You pull someone over on a traffic stop OR you arrive on the scene of a traffic accident.
You ARE NOT by order entitled to give everyone a "field sobriety test".
Through ones experience an officer can tell if someone seems to be "under the influence".
On many occasions you CAN NOT tell if they have been drinking or on narcotics, therefore you do NOT order someone out of there vehicle to administer an exam.
Since this guys employer had a policy of giving an administrative breath test it was discovered he was over the legal limit.
WITHOUT that breath examination machine there is a good chance 100 individuals would never have this political hack was ever intoxicated.
THEREFORE, the mayor, the media and all the rest of the police haters can take the CR number that was issued to the officers on the scene and STICK IT UP THEIR pompous asses.
Did anyone from ISP show up?
Dude,
Give him the test. Let the supervision figure out how to lose the results.
Your job is to protect the public and protect your own ass.
Be Fetal, don't be stupid.
The CPD clowns involved in this circus - unwittingly, voluntarily or otherwise - will likely face harsher repercussions than did the assholes that participated in the Koshman coverup.
You kiddos still feel the urge to do anything north of the bare minimum? You'd better get your head checked.
You've been warned... AGAIN.
As BCP so eloquently states, "police like you have no friends".
Why officers who KNOW that this dept. is being held hostage under the scrutiny of so many outside agencies would allow this miscarriage of justice just boggles the mind. Johnson has no choice but to go after all of those involved who blew off their duties/responsibilities, and well he should. Should anyone lose their job over this, it's their own damn fault.
Until Eddie acknowledges that the recent Lt exam was flawed and the whole list throw out, he will not have my support or respect.
You know he would had been shit canned if he was a regular guy... get into an accident, go through the motions. We all know this does not apply to anyone but low rank and file
Typical misdirection by the city..... don't look over here, look over there!
So why wasn't sobriety tests administered???
018 rides again!
Have any of you ever been at a CFD involved traffic accident??? The ambulance comes they scoop the CFD up and take them to hospital immediately, sometimes before you get there!!!
Between this and the newly released police dash cam video, I already forgot about the cheating scandal on the lieutenant's test.
Question: administrative blows can only be done by direction of a supervisor?
The officers would bet were advised by someone in a white shirt what to do, this guy has strong Daley ties bet call was made end of story. Now let's see investigators from media get the camera video from how many cameras everywhere there, let's look for the mysterious car that cut him off find that car and arrest or ticket offender! Wait who was alleged girl with him? Has to be tape video at Hawks game did officers list her name on report? If she allegedly ( news media your term) was she hurt? Did she be like the old I dream of Jean blink her eyes Shazam gone? Did she give a statement allegedly? Goudie zekman savini wake up low hanging fruit!
If he didn't show any signs of impairment there would be no reason to give him a field sobriety test. We don't give every person involved in an accident a field sobriety test simply because they were involved in an accident.
He got hammered then crashed. Then resigned.
Condition of employment.
Let's get aldermen in on this.
We have residency we are stuck with it,
well let's get a law for operation of any city vehicle owned or leased.
any type of accidents the operator will be tested by breatlyzer, and or urine.
within 1 hour.
If driver is hospitalized the city IG has powers to secure blood work from hospital.
CTA has this.
ComEd has this
Peoples Gas has this.
Most business that operate vehicles have this
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Until Eddie acknowledges that the recent Lt exam was flawed and the whole list throw out, he will not have my support or respect.
4/23/2016 02:45:00 AM
What good will that do? Most of the cheaters have already been promoted in the first class. Throwing out the list would just hurt everyone who actually scored well. It's not like they are going to demote the new lieutenants.
Cook county states attorney used administration breathalyzer against sworn officer
while off duty. And officer was stripped, fired and now studying law......
Unions fought and lost it. Officer fought and lost it.
Went all the way to State supream court.
IAD sergeant had to do tests
CFD did tests, they can determine what level of intoxication was at time of
accident.
This is why you should do your job by the book.
If you have a 501 on your hands it is is another p.o. or a cfd big wig, go over the air and send a message to your sgt. Then process the 501. Which leads me to this; how many p.o.'s know how to do a 501? We all know the answer and it is pathetic.
Well it is clear that Eddie Johnson is out to strip the entire dept. I wont be doing a damn thing anymore except for self preservation. F#$k him and rahm.
Strip everyone on the dept, this way rahm, flaker and eddie can respond to all the calls for service. They know how to do it better than us so go and show us all how it you want it done.
Col Hanibal Smith
A-TEAM
Hey, the coppers fucked up. Plain as that.
Clout wins! Cloutless lose! Chief will be okay. Lowest Cloutless officer will be sacrificed. Its the political way. Police have no friends. Stay fetal. The mayor and the new Sup, do not have your back. When ISIS comes we will not be ready.
How does an exempt member himself decide that he will return to civil service rank and avoid being fired because he is now protected by the fire union.
How does this crap work? Didn't he go to the hospital post the incident. Didn't they take blood. Isn't his chickie-poo listed in the report.
I guess all one can say is Rampart we have a single car crash with a service pole....Male, 53, HBD and a Female, 35, also HBD lacking some clothing......we have started 200ml. Drip on each and are headed in. No apparent head injuries to the driver until his wife finds out. " KMG 365" for all you MeTV fans.
Dyla Hata
The big issue in a heater case is will the coppers get jammed up? What boss you know possible gold badge was involved? Who approved of this? We are blue shirt coppers bottom of the food chain getting kicked in every direction every tour, now again "it's the coppers fault" as usual. Nothing changes the fire boss has far reaching clout simple as that, he wrecked a 2016 vehicle drunk just another day where's all the cameras media can we see the accident in a 24/7 loop? Are you camped out by fire bosses house? Are you investigators looking into passengers if any? No your scared he's to connected rahm will not give u the go ahead!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well the administrative blow can definitely be used against him!!!! It's been used against several CPD officers already. The bigger question is who are the dumb asses that decided to sacrifice their careers and family income?. I guarantee you it was only plain LAZY COPS not a cover up.
4/23/2016 12:20:00 AM
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That's not true. Threat that CFD administrators is somehow different then what the CPD does. Something similar happened a few years back and the process used &/or epuipement doesn't meet the standards for law enforcement standards. But it would of been mince to see him get hammered for this. But I do hope that none of the street cops gets tied up for giving him the pass.
Johnson was on the Dorothy Tillman show this morning( 4/23), and one of the callers immediately made reference the fire boss being "Irish" and demanding to know why he got a pass. Johnson said the matter was being reviewed by two separate agencies, fire and CPD. Now the initial reports were that he was charged with reckless driving which is fine. However, he hit a City pole while driving a City vehicle and caused damage to both. If he was not issued a bouquet of citations, especially for damage to City property; the officers might have problems. Johnson also answered questions about the latest video of alleged CPD misconduct involving the woman fleeing the armed robbery. He claims he is reviewing others as well. Remember, that video goes back to 2011! Stay Fetal. Baby "G"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-video-released-met-20160422-story.html
I see nothing wrong, but officers got stripped anyways. And Johnson shows his true colors. Unbelievable. STAY FETAL.
Well, if coppers did what they were supposed to do instead of trying to help assholes he would've been charged that night. If it was a copper he would've been crucified but some fire asshole boss gets away with it
Ok I won't call him a scab I'll call him a jagoff who never even fought a fire spent entire career driving bosses around...imagine that. To the pos that covered up his dui I hope it was worth it when the CR # comes down against you. Risking ur job for a jagoff idiots
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Until Eddie acknowledges that the recent Lt exam was flawed and the whole list throw out, he will not have my support or respect.
4/23/2016 02:45:00 AM
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Exactly. Another zero-credibility boss. It's like the bosses who stole OT their entire career but then tell you to go home on time because they don't want to give you legit OT.
29 and a day and DONE said...
Attention Media and other police haters:
Here is the bottom line.
You pull someone over on a traffic stop OR you arrive on the scene of a traffic accident.
You ARE NOT by order entitled to give everyone a "field sobriety test".
Through ones experience an officer can tell if someone seems to be "under the influence".
On many occasions you CAN NOT tell if they have been drinking or on narcotics, therefore you do NOT order someone out of there vehicle to administer an exam.
Since this guys employer had a policy of giving an administrative breath test it was discovered he was over the legal limit.
WITHOUT that breath examination machine there is a good chance 100 individuals would never have this political hack was ever intoxicated.
THEREFORE, the mayor, the media and all the rest of the police haters can take the CR number that was issued to the officers on the scene and STICK IT UP THEIR pompous asses.
4/23/2016 12:36:00 AM
Yeah...we all believe he showed no signs of impairment (chuckle).
29 and a day and DONE said...
Attention Media and other police haters:
Here is the bottom line.
You pull someone over on a traffic stop OR you arrive on the scene of a traffic accident.
You ARE NOT by order entitled to give everyone a "field sobriety test".
Through ones experience an officer can tell if someone seems to be "under the influence".
On many occasions you CAN NOT tell if they have been drinking or on narcotics, therefore you do NOT order someone out of there vehicle to administer an exam.
Since this guys employer had a policy of giving an administrative breath test it was discovered he was over the legal limit.
WITHOUT that breath examination machine there is a good chance 100 individuals would never have this political hack was ever intoxicated.
THEREFORE, the mayor, the media and all the rest of the police haters can take the CR number that was issued to the officers on the scene and STICK IT UP THEIR pompous asses.
4/23/2016 12:36:00 AM
I completely disagree with you. A driver with a high BAC will exhibit signs of impairment while sitting in a car. I do not know what 100 individuals you know but a trained police officer can spot a impaired driver while talking to him. It might be hard for the paper car handling the crash to explain why he did NOT suspect impairment. With a crash the driver must exit the car and there are always some actions that show impairment. If assigned to a carsh and a boss is involved, whether CPD or CFD do your job or you will pay the price.
FOP
Where are you?????
Cops are getting stripped left and right. We need the FOP to be out there supporting us. Obviously EJ is working for the man and has sold his soul. We can't count on any support from him. Watch your backs.
Calm down. You're not gonna get fired for not giving someone a DUI. On top of it who even knows how to do a DUI. Call Vogel on from 044!!!!
THEREFORE, the mayor, the media and all the rest of the police haters can take the CR number that was issued to the officers on the scene and STICK IT UP THEIR pompous asses.
4/23/2016 12:36:00 AM
Brother, I know what you are saying and I agree with you, but experience tells me that the department can look at this anyway they want and do anything they want and put the officers through hoops. If the heat is on, there will be sacrificial lambs.
Ask Eddie and the new merit / cheater lieutenants how many DUIs they have done in their career. The real truth is that most officers are very reluctant to do a DUI on anyone. Look at the statistics. Only a few officers do the majority of the writing.
"It's possible, be a professional drinker, he did
not exhibit signs of impairment to the officers
assigned, so no need to conduct field sobriety
tests. That old pesky probable cause comes into play.
4/23/2016 12:15:00 AM"
Your probable cause was the damaged city vehicle, that in itself gives you pc to conduct field sobriety tests you f'ng moron.
"Did anyone from ISP show up?
4/23/2016 01:02:00 AM"
Accident occurred on LSD when was that last time you saw ISP patrolling the Drive?
" He appearntly came on the job non union during the strike. The funny thing is these fireman love to scream "scab" and then go work the trades on their off days with no union card.
4/23/2016 12:26:00 AM"
Just like the Coppers that whore out their badge to the Arab shopkeeper for 8 bucks and hour and free smokes. Funny how that works that way.
Just because you are involved in an accident is not necessarily grounds to suspect a dui. There must be reasonable suspicion. You will have to justify your reasons on paper and in court. I had several cases where the offender never displayed any signs of impairment, but when taken to the hospital for treatment, the medical personnel informed us that the person was over the legal limit. If you don't have reasonable suspicion, you would have normally have a reason for not administering one, but in this police hatred climate, they department, politicians, public and media are out to hang you. Don't give a test if you don't suspect. They will get you for violating their rights.
Plenty of distracted asshole crack up on LSD. The north side and downtown is amateurs hour with all the migrants and transplant twenty and thirty somethings. This CFD boss hit the blow administratively. The CFD brass would have taken care of him. I agree with the professional drinker comment. The dick wouldn't have admitted to anyone especially himself he was drunk. He jammed himself up. The shit storm this crotch created will fuck our guys on scene. They need to stick to their narrative: no apparent overt suspicion of dui, traffic duties to prevent further accident and the administrative blow as a backstop. I would add that only a complete piece of shit drinks at work and to have attained a rank so high in the CFD would have put him very low in totality of circumstance in regards to reasonable suspicion so that would not have entered my mind. I would have assumed by his age conjoined with any apparent cognitive impairment and duty status that he was having a diabetic episode.
Failing a BAC test for CFD doesn't necessarily mean he was DUI. What is the CFD limit for driving a FD vehicle? Is it .02 BAC?
Since this guys employer had a policy of giving an administrative breath test it was discovered he was over the legal limit.
WITHOUT that breath examination machine there is a good chance 100 individuals would never have thought this political hack was ever intoxicated.
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YES.. exactly.
A "professional drinker" AKA alcoholic would not show signs that he is drunk.
No one would EVER KNOW unless he blew on the machine or summited blood.
I hope the po's were just lazy, fetal. This CFD fucker gets a 6 figure pension, pucker up
Dude,
Give him the test. Let the supervision figure out how to lose the results.
Your job is to protect the public and protect your own ass.
Be Fetal, don't be stupid.
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If he did not appear under the influence at the scene the police would not automatically give him any "tests".
You would know that if you had some time on the job and made a number of traffic stops and on-scene traffic crash reports kid.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Until Eddie acknowledges that the recent Lt exam was flawed and the whole list throw out, he will not have my support or respect.
4/23/2016 02:45:00 AM
I agree. This is always going to be the 800lb gorilla in the room.
If Eddie expects to receive respect from the ranks he needs to tackle the cheating Lt. scandal.... not just pay it lip service.
Who approved what? Who said anything about ignoring a DUI? Could it be at all possible that the firefighter involved did not exhibit signs of impairment? Could it be that there is no cover-up, that he had an accident and it was the determination of the officer at the scene that there was no, or little indication of impairment? The assumption of impairment came during the administrative phase of testing required by the CFD. If you come to work under the influence, not falling down drunk, but yet under the influence, is it likely that you would be jammed up? No! If the Random Unit called, well, just like this fireman, you would be found out and be jammed up because you would blow hot. Everyone is screaming cover-up, and coppers going to lose their jobs, and bosses ordered them not to write a DUI or professional courtesy gone overboard, when this could just be a simple case of the investigating officer either not recognizing the signs of impairment or there were none and the fireman blew hot in spite of not exhibiting the classic signs. There's even a female black boss at the Fire Department screaming cover-up. What a piece of shit, and for any of you who are touting it, STFU until you know the facts, which you never will so just STFU! If the officers involved are reading this, there are a lot of us that understand that not everyone exhibits the classic signs of impairment and that's fine. Just continue to do your job like you're supposed to and don't worry about this crap. Think about it, how many people get stopped for a violation and in reality are legally drunk and could be written a DUI but they don't exhibit the signs or they're not over the top classic DUI drunk and just drive away with a ticket, or even a warning and a goodnight? A LOT!
In 2008 a Sothwest Jet crashed through the fence at Midway killing a 5 yr old boy who was ridding in a car with his parents. The two pilots were whisked from the sceen and put up in a hotel room near midway. It turns out that their union contract gives them 8 hours before they have to make a statement. I don't know who or when they blew a breathalyzer if ever,
To the poster at 4/23/2016 07:49:00 AM
[Condition of employment...Let's get aldermen in on this. We have residency we are stuck with it, well let's get a law for operation of any city vehicle owned or leased. any type of accidents the operator will be tested by breatlyzer, and or urine. within 1 hour. If driver is hospitalized the city IG has powers to secure blood work from hospital. CTA has this. ComEd has this Peoples Gas has this. Most business that operate vehicles have this]
Most of the alderman in this City are contemptable buffoons. They are incorrigibly shady and wholly unethical and you want to “bring them in on this”? Like they’ll help you push this through? Everyone in this City hates the politicians for many, many obvious reasons and you want them to champion your nutcase cause? Everyone is calling for the ouster of most of them and you want to bring them in. Asshat is an understatement. Next- Condition of employment? Hey dummy, it already is a condition of employment, but for those of us who aren’t assholes, it’s titled Just Cause. Yes, some departments have mandatory breath and urine requirements after a vehicle crash, but some, like us have the random policy and can get called at any time, with or without cause. You could get called under the random policy today, and do something completely messed up tomorrow where you then exhibit the signs requiring that you mandatorily submit to breath and urine. That’s called just cause, and just cause has existed for decades. So let’s see, CTA is a private company that services the City, therefore, in addition to their profit from the fares they get municipal funding. People's Gas, ComEd, same principle. What a private company does is entirely different than what municipal government does, but for your information dummy, CFD, Streets and Sans and a few other departments already do it. Because of the nature of our job we are subject to Random so we don’t have to unless we exhibit signs or actions, and………. Wait for it……. then there is the just cause doctrine. It’s done in nearly every City Department already. So, let’s say you hop right into your alderman’s office and start beating that drum of yours and tell them you want their help mandating that everyone who doesn’t already visit the breathalyzer after an accident, like the alderman, the mayor and the heads of a few clout-laden City Departments, and tell them that they demand under new law that they do too. Are you really this stupid or just playing one on the blog? ASSHAT! (Credit given to SCC for the use of their terminology)
Most Firemen say he was a big jack-off, always fucking with people, fuck him,
and the Mayor and Eddie to!
I saw the video of the coppers throwing the robber to the ground, I still don't know what they did wrong. If there's ever a time to stay fetal it's now. They can't fire you for doing nothing. Maybe they should have asked nice.
Anonymous said...
Condition of employment.
Let's get aldermen in on this.
We have residency we are stuck with it,
well let's get a law for operation of any city vehicle owned or leased.
any type of accidents the operator will be tested by breatlyzer, and or urine.
within 1 hour.
If driver is hospitalized the city IG has powers to secure blood work from hospital.
CTA has this.
ComEd has this
Peoples Gas has this.
Most business that operate vehicles have this
___________
But making people who get welfare their entire lives take a drug test to continue getting free money is somehow wrong and racist. How did this country get so ass backwards.
Here is the level headed truth: Not everybody that has a beer is drunk. Some that drink just over the limit drive as well as most drivers. By no means am I advocating drinking and driving, but I am not ready to side with the Nazis on the other side. You should see how they get their statistics and how they manipulate them. I am pretty sure most of the critics here cannot look in a mirror on this one, either.
Not everyone over the limit in an accident gets written. We don't have enough officers to for that. Blind drunk, easy to spot, they get written. Anything after that is subjective. Add to that, not every copper is proficient at DUIs. Again, not enough coppers on the street for that luxury. There is just too much to do out there and not enough of us to do it. That's why you have different coppers good at different things.
For you civilians out there; coppers and firemen face more scrutiny in this area than you ever will. It wasn't always that way, but you can be sure it is now.
A very popular disturbance call that supervisors get assigned to is:
Person A:I'm going to call the police.
Person B:Fuck You, I am the police.
Might have worked in the 60's. Do the job like it's supposed to be done, and let the paper work fall through the cracks if that is in fact where it's going.It's above you, but you did your job.Do Your Job and have no problems sleeping,answering phone calls, or the door bell.
Been there.Slept well.
Should have called seiser.....he runs it
This boozer probably reeked of alcohol then laid on the "do you know who I am", then offered up a call the 'black phone' to a prominent
individual with a promise of a Vanecko-style 'let me go' and you'll be rewarded offer.
I still think McBoozer ought to pay for all the damages and get a DUI after the fact.
Too bad for the Traffic guy... looking at 30 now and may get to agree to take 5, all because of a loser.
Most of all no one wants to write a First Responder, but this one had more implications than it was worth. Could have been a lot worse. Make McBoozer pay.
Bottom Line: Whoever failed to give this guy a test AND failed to arrest him is a disgrace to The Badge. You took an Oath. Let Da Mayor do what he does, but we need to arrest this slime ball. He could have killed any one of us, or our family.
Same thing happened in Indianapolis police a few years ago. An on-duty officer running code slammed in the back of V motorcycle is killing 2. Despite numerous officers at the scene. No one knew that he was nearly twice the legal limit until 2 hours after the accident when by policy he had to take a blood test. It was only then that it was determined that he was DUI. As anyone with experience and making DUI arrests will tell you you can sometimes be fooled by the behavior that the person exhibits especially if they are problem drinkers.
Eddie can suck my balls. I haven't done shit for two years and I ain't gonna start now. I prefer sex with my wife over getting raped in federal prison. Just wait till Obama starts his third term(ie Hilary). Gonna make the last two years
of policing look like the 80s.
Eddie's been quite busy being "concerned" about things and stripping coppers left and right.
All to feed the insatiable "demands" of the "community"
Stay absolutely fetal my friends.
Fuck Rahm and fuck the thugs in the community.
Police have discretion when writing tickets. They want them to use it for Fr Faker's flock illegal parking? It again they are black that's the diffenence. Why didn't Johnson strip his girlfriend and the other cheaters including Genr? Cause they are black. Tsk, Tsk Rahm wants to turn the police dept into the CTA.
4:50 pm....Were YOU there? Do YOU know something we dont? If not, save your tirade for someone else.
No signs of impairment said...
Who approved what? Who said anything about ignoring a DUI? Could it be at all possible that the firefighter involved did not exhibit signs of impairment? Could it be that there is no cover-up, that he had an accident and it was the determination of the officer at the scene that there was no, or little indication of impairment? The assumption of impairment came during the administrative phase of testing required by the CFD. If you come to work under the influence, not falling down drunk, but yet under the influence, is it likely that you would be jammed up? No! If the Random Unit called, well, just like this fireman, you would be found out and be jammed up because you would blow hot. Everyone is screaming cover-up, and coppers going to lose their jobs, and bosses ordered them not to write a DUI or professional courtesy gone overboard, when this could just be a simple case of the investigating officer either not recognizing the signs of impairment or there were none and the fireman blew hot in spite of not exhibiting the classic signs. There's even a female black boss at the Fire Department screaming cover-up. What a piece of shit, and for any of you who are touting it, STFU until you know the facts, which you never will so just STFU! If the officers involved are reading this, there are a lot of us that understand that not everyone exhibits the classic signs of impairment and that's fine. Just continue to do your job like you're supposed to and don't worry about this crap. Think about it, how many people get stopped for a violation and in reality are legally drunk and could be written a DUI but they don't exhibit the signs or they're not over the top classic DUI drunk and just drive away with a ticket, or even a warning and a goodnight? A LOT!
4/23/2016 04:50:00 PM
Yeah! We just tell em' to STFU!!!!!! When we walk up to the car, we immediately say, "STFU!!" to the driver!! When we get home, we all tell our spouses to "STFU!!" Now I'm going to "STFU" before you tell me to "STFU" again!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well it is clear that Eddie Johnson is out to strip the entire dept. I wont be doing a damn thing anymore except for self preservation. F#$k him and rahm.
Hey, so many wanted an "insider" and you got your wish! Deal with it!
I've never BTW pinched a P/O, Firefighter, military, Doctor or nurse...and nothing came back to bite me! Handle it the right way. It's one of the few things we've got left...
0754am
Junk science, any good states attn. Can beat that.
We have like 20 cops who do DUI s on a regular basis, odds are one of them didn't handle this accident, a lot of cops don't know what to look for with a drunk driver and a lot of cops want nothing to do with a DUI especially a city worker, some think you have to do something different , you don't , just a notification and a fax. Most cops will continue not to do them for whatever reason, let's just hope you don't come across a city employee hitting a city pole not on city time and you look the other way cuz they work for city, be smart
I got a one car traffic accident assigned to me by my D.C. and Tact lieutenant [both black; I'm white] that happened on my beat. The driver [black] was totally stumbling and slurring drunk.
The DC said to me when I arrived at the scene, "Blank", it's your job, do what ya gonna do", we're outta here. While being told this, I have to keep yelling at the driver to shut up and get back in his car. Ya gotta love a circus.
Old boy had slammed into a light pole. He was alright. The light pole and car definitely had problems.
I wrote him a ticket for damage to city property, called for a tow, and took him home after he signed off on refusing CFD treatment.
Naturally, when the DC calls in a job, ten cars race to the scene. Later in the station, everyone was flabbergasted that I didn't write a DUI since the DC would also have seen that the driver was completely blotto. They all thought I was screwed. My response? Hey he killed a lightpost and his car, why totally ruin his life more than it already was. Yeah, I know, by not writing him, he might drive drunk again and kill someone. Guess what; like with most drunken drivers, particularly him being in his seventies, no court case has ever stopped a drunk from driving again anyways.
The DC and Leftenant? Never a word was said to me.
Point?
We used to be able to be the real police and make our own decisions based on all shades of black, white, and gray. Even the bosses lived by that rule.
Tough times for you guys now.
Stay safe.
Anonymous said...
Condition of employment.
Let's get aldermen in on this.
We have residency we are stuck with it,
well let's get a law for operation of any city vehicle owned or leased.
any type of accidents the operator will be tested by breatlyzer, and or urine.
within 1 hour.
If driver is hospitalized the city IG has powers to secure blood work from hospital.
CTA has this.
ComEd has this
Peoples Gas has this.
Most business that operate vehicles have this
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But making people who get welfare their entire lives take a drug test to continue getting free money is somehow wrong and racist. How did this country get so ass backwards.
4/23/2016 07:18:00 PM
Don't forget Social Security Disability too!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So why wasn't sobriety tests administered???
4/23/2016 05:50:00 AM
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Here is the reason Mr/Ms Troll. By law, you can refuse to take one and there are no legal cosequences.
You also are not required to take a "field" breathalyzer and can request going to the calibrated machine in the area or district or have blood drawn at a hospital.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you have a 501 on your hands it is is another p.o. or a cfd big wig, go over the air and send a message to your sgt. Then process the 501. Which leads me to this; how many p.o.'s know how to do a 501? We all know the answer and it is pathetic.
4/23/2016 08:04:00 AM
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Absolutely right on all points. However, if you want to do the driver a "solid" you can do the followind: Do the 501 that has holes in it big enough that a truck could drive through. You might take a day or five because of sloppy work, but you can't be fired for NOT doing your job.
The jag bag has enough problems , busted down to a small pension , wife and kids now hate the cheater , if he was with a girlfriend .
She gone , she was with him because of his clout , not his fish lips .
Bye , bye loser .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Failing a BAC test for CFD doesn't necessarily mean he was DUI. What is the CFD limit for driving a FD vehicle? Is it .02 BAC?
4/23/2016 12:49:00 PM
Okay Troll...let me handle this for you.
As a Condition of Continued City Employment..the 'allowed' limit is .0000000000%
We are not allowed to drink on the Clock, period.
Does it happen? Mostly certainly it happens. This moron drank booze, (I don't know how much and will not speculate except it was enough to register on a admin required blow or blood test) and then got behind the steering wheel of a CITY VEHICLE!
Rule 51. Violating the City's drug and alcohol testing policy. A department head is required to initiate a discharge action against any employee who tests positive for illegal drugs and/or alcohol use; refuses to cooperate with testing procedures; is found to be under the influence of illegal drugs or alcohol while on duty and on the employer's premises; is found in possession of alcohol, drugs or drug paraphernalia; or is found selling or distributing drugs or drug paraphernalia on the employer's premises.
Since he resigned his #3 spot and returned to his lower rank....29 days Suspension is the best they can do to him unless his prior rank isn't Career Service and a union job.
You're right about him being despised, SCC. The comments on Fireside Chat are brutal. Btw: that blog format is harder to read and follow than Thee Rant, which is saying a lot.
We should all be very grateful to you for the logical, readable format you chose to use here.
"It's possible, be a professional drinker, he did
not exhibit signs of impairment to the officers
assigned, so no need to conduct field sobriety
tests. That old pesky probable cause comes into play.
4/23/2016 12:15:00 AM"
Your probable cause was the damaged city vehicle, that in itself gives you pc to conduct field sobriety tests you f'ng moron.
4/23/2016 11:39:00 AM
So you think an administrative beef gives you probable cause?
You really are fucking stupid. Stay quiet, you will look much smarter.
Driving a city vehicle drunk. Sorry anyone involved in giving this chooch a pass gets what dey gets.
"Your probable cause was the damaged city vehicle, that in itself gives you pc to conduct field sobriety tests you f'ng moron.
4/23/2016 11:39:00 AM
So you think an administrative beef gives you probable cause?
You really are fucking stupid. Stay quiet, you will look much smarter.
4/24/2016 07:14:00 PM"
Administrative Beef? What the fuck are you talking about? It's a traffic accident an investigation occurs you have 100% Probable Cause. Crawl back under the desk you came from, Shit for brains.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The jag bag has enough problems , busted down to a small pension , wife and kids now hate the cheater , if he was with a girlfriend .
She gone , she was with him because of his clout , not his fish lips .
Bye , bye loser .
4/24/2016 11:19:00 AM
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A SMALL pension? Get serious.
"Your probable cause was the damaged city vehicle, that in itself gives you pc to conduct field sobriety tests you f'ng moron.
4/23/2016 11:39:00 AM
So you think an administrative beef gives you probable cause?
You really are fucking stupid. Stay quiet, you will look much smarter.
4/24/2016 07:14:00 PM"
Administrative Beef? What the fuck are you talking about? It's a traffic accident an investigation occurs you have 100% Probable Cause. Crawl back under the desk you came from, Shit for brains.
4/24/2016 09:58:00 PM
Can you read fuck head?
"Your probable cause was the damaged city vehicle, that in itself gives you pc to conduct field sobriety tests you f'ng moron."
Yes an administrative beef shit for brains.
And no a traffic accident does not give probable cause dumb fuck.
First your stupid ass needs to figure the difference between probable cause and reasonable suspicion.
Then you can figure out at which point you have reasonable suspicion(a traffic accident is not enough dumb fuck).
Class dismissed dummy.
What's up with the lack of on-scene support for the CFD now?
Is this a result of "fishlips" and our IAD screwing the pooch?
Trust me when I say the rank and file has had no use for either.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The jag bag has enough problems , busted down to a small pension , wife and kids now hate the cheater , if he was with a girlfriend .
She gone , she was with him because of his clout , not his fish lips .
Bye , bye loser .
4/24/2016 11:19:00 AM
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Busted down to a small pension?
He will be getting about $8,500 a month which is $102k a year for doing nothing. Sure it's less then what he was getting working and on call 24/7. But he has ties to vendors. In fact it was because of him that we use the air packs that we do. He will just go to work for a vendor and make more selling shit to the city. He's got the inside track.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Failing a BAC test for CFD doesn't necessarily mean he was DUI. What is the CFD limit for driving a FD vehicle? Is it .02 BAC?
4/23/2016 12:49:00 PM
Okay Troll...let me handle this for you.
As a Condition of Continued City Employment..the 'allowed' limit is .0000000000%
We are not allowed to drink on the Clock, period.
Does it happen? Mostly certainly it happens. This moron drank booze, (I don't know how much and will not speculate except it was enough to register on a admin required blow or blood test) and then got behind the steering wheel of a CITY VEHICLE!
Rule 51. Violating the City's drug and alcohol testing policy. A department head is required to initiate a discharge action against any employee who tests positive for illegal drugs and/or alcohol use; refuses to cooperate with testing procedures; is found to be under the influence of illegal drugs or alcohol while on duty and on the employer's premises; is found in possession of alcohol, drugs or drug paraphernalia; or is found selling or distributing drugs or drug paraphernalia on the employer's premises.
Since he resigned his #3 spot and returned to his lower rank....29 days Suspension is the best they can do to him unless his prior rank isn't Career Service and a union job.
4/24/2016 01:01:00 PM
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OK Troll. Seeing as he was an Exempt Rank Employee. He becomes an "at will" employee. He doesn't get to automatically get to step down to his last civil service rank position. Also if you are exempt rank driving with under the influence gets you fired. Also he wasn't on duty but had a take home car because of his position. No suspension for him. He stepped down and then was separated from the department. But he will receive his pension which of thCFD allows for him to only get it based off of his civil service rank salary. Not his salary based on his appointed position.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So why wasn't sobriety tests administered???
4/23/2016 05:50:00 AM
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Here is the reason Mr/Ms Troll. By law, you can refuse to take one and there are no legal cosequences.
You also are not required to take a "field" breathalyzer and can request going to the calibrated machine in the area or district or have blood drawn at a hospital.
4/24/2016 10:42:00 AM
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A lawyer buddy of mine who was once a cop that used to teach DUI's told me, if need be, to stumble into the calibrated machine and then be able to claim that the machine was out of calibration as a result.
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