Saturday, May 21, 2016

Tribune Hit Piece

We don't know what Rahm has on the media, but wow, they do like the taste of his ass:
  • From the moment Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police started negotiating its first contract with City Hall 35 years ago, the union identified an issue that would prove key to its members: ensuring officers had robust protections when they were investigated for misconduct.

    City Hall had its own focus: money.
No, not "robust protections." Just the same protections afforded to citizens when accused of malfeasance. You know, Constitutional protections. And due to the City's intransigence at providing Officers with due process, contractual protections and case law became the rule of the day.

And the "money" thing was due to the City crying "We're broke!" because the City (Daley, Rahm, aldercreatures) wanted to spend money on political projects for votes, rather than what was owed employees (see the current pension crisis). So instead of saddling the City with more pension obligations, the FOP negotiated increases in non-pensionable raises to alleviate the obligation.
  • Since that first contract, mayors from Jane Byrne to Rahm Emanuel have routinely fought to hold tight on the bottom line, while the union that represents thousands of rank-and-file officers has worked to, among other things, build layers of insulation from scrutiny.
Huh? All we have gotten is endless layers of scrutiny.
  • One product of that bargain between the city and the FOP has been a flawed system in which officers are rarely held accountable for misconduct. Indeed, since the dashcam video showing Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times and killed by Officer Jason Van Dyke was released in November, the city and Police Department have been roiled by protests over the failure to discipline officers, while a U.S. Department of Justice civil rights probe has been launched.
Flawed how? Dozens of officers have been held to account for all sorts of misconduct. Many have done time in prison. Some remain there. Just because the system works slowly in a politically charged case...moving slowly because the mayor suppressed a tape for political reasons...doesn't make the system flawed, despite the howls from the lunatics on the fringes. We've stated it here many times - Officers aren't above the law, but they aren't below it either.

Now come the attacks, directed no doubt by Rahm, but written up by "reporters" who haven't done the most basic research:
  • Amid the fallout, critics have zeroed in on the FOP contract and various rules that protect officers, and have called for a revamping. They have focused on a number of provisions, including one that allows officers to avoid making statements about shootings for at least 24 hours and another that requires internal investigators to notify officers of complainants' names before the officers are even questioned. Also at issue: a state law the FOP lobbied for that requires citizens to sign sworn affidavits to lodge an abuse complaint.
Notice the loaded language - "avoid making statements." That's genuine Grade-A horseshit right there. Did you know the FBI gets 72 hours? How about that many other departments get 48 hours? That there are scientific studies that note that the mental trauma involving a shooting can affect memories, recollections, even time estimations? Other studies that show that officers more often than not, mis-remember how many shots they actually fired at assailants? Twenty-four hours is minimal and more should be mandated.

Knowing your accuser? Gee, where have we read that before? The Sixth Amendment maybe?
  • in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him."
God forbid coppers get protection from the Constitution!

Sworn affidavits are in play, too? Before the sworn affidavit, something like 95% of complaints were found to be crap. Since the sworn affidavit, the number remains in the mid-90s. Can you guess why? Because no one is prosecuted for lying on sworn affidavits. Sound familiar? Robberies, thefts, gun crime, all up this year why? The Superintendent says it's because the Courts are failing to mete out punishment. In 12 years of the sworn affidavit law, we can't recall a single prosecution for perjury. Someone can point out if we missed one.

More of the article quotes labor lawyers for the city and Dean saying there better be monetary compensation for surrendering any protections. We'd advise screw the money and fight for each and every protection. Otherwise, we're headed back to these types of days as past-president Dineen points out:
  • "Back before there was a contract, if someone made a complaint against you or a boss didn't like you or they half-believed the complaint and you were working on the North Side, two weeks later you were at 104th and Avenue O," said Dineen, who served as FOP president until 1993. "And you couldn't do anything about it."
And then the attacks start up again:
  • Several contract provisions that task force members and critics today have deemed troubling are among the bricks in the foundation of that first collective bargaining agreement. They include stipulations about how police were to be questioned and where they were to be questioned, requirements that officers be informed in writing about complaints against them and a prohibition against internal investigations based on anonymous complaints.
So a complete dismantling of the Contract is the eventual goal if the media is helping Rahm attack the foundations - foundations based on Constitutional Law. The article again claims "flaws" without providing accurate documentation and based on media constructs - Abbate of all cases - a video loop played about a billion times by the media, which used it to portray a department out of control, rather than a clout baby who was forced through the screening process, despite a record that would have disqualified any normal applicant.

But Hell will freeze over before the media covers clout - just look at the current crooked lieutenant exam - clout rules the day when the accused include the superintendent's girlfriend, the First Deputy's wife and other bedmates of Subject Matter Experts along with members of IAD who were then rewarded with promotions.

It's a craptacular article by a bunch of hacks who, as we said, must really like Rahm's ass. REad it all if you feel like you can stomach it - half-truths, lies, erroneous conclusions, and a list of talking points Rahm will be using this time next year when the Contract expires.

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123 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"intransigence"? C'mon, Scc. Don't fuck with me. Now I gotta look that shit up!

5/21/2016 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Between the tribune and the sun times with their "fallen star" bullshit, I won't read these two shit-rags.

5/21/2016 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Outstanding job on this one, SCC.
In the old days there were a very select, very, very few in the media you could trust in getting the real story in print.
Those were good days.
Before Jeremy, Steve and Annie of the Chicago Tribune.
CPD will prevail, As will Jason.
And McDonald wasn't shot 16 times-16 rounds were perhaps fired...

Stay safe my brothers and sisters.

5/21/2016 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all smoke and mirrors to deter from the real issues of society, another piece of BS journalism controlled by the powers above!!!

5/21/2016 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bloomberg News comes out with this gem...

Just before midnight on a Friday.

"Chicago’s pension-fund shortfall just got $11.5 billion bigger.
Thanks to the defeat of the city’s retirement-fund overhaul by the Illinois Supreme Court and new accounting rules, Chicago’s so-called net pension liability to its Municipal Employees’ Annuity and Benefit Fund soared to $18.6 billion ..."

It goes o to say that our city is in worse shape than others and will get worse the longer the problem is neglected.

We're broke! But we need new bike ways, urban hiking trails and flowerpots.

5/21/2016 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop and you have posted my comments in the past, thanks. But unfortunately there is a full front assault on unions and work protection rules. I work as a at will employee and have no choice because the job I do pays quite well. Unions only exist in government sector type jobs these days. I have seen and heard of guys getting shit canned for conversations in the elevator, just talking to women in the office, not wearing the right clothes. I mean, fired on the spot and zero retribution because there is no union. So get ready for a fight. Right now if I could be in a union like yours I would gladly pay the dues because working at will sucks when you are trying to raise a family in fucked up Chicago on zero clout.

5/21/2016 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a sad day when a "reporter" gets all his information from the mayors office, subversive groups and Wikipedia. Do they even leave their computer anymore ?

5/21/2016 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come there is no ammo at the ranges to qualify?

5/21/2016 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody writing a response?

5/21/2016 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on SCC! I feel for you because I get the impression this must have been a taxing rebuttal.

Bill O'Reilly on Fox News really seems to hate our Mayor. He keeps calling for the National Guard to take over the ghetto areas. At this point, why not? At least Rham's chances of getting re-elected might go from slim to none. This department has been on its deathbed for quite some time now. Let's give somebody else the hot potato for awhile.

You know what will happen if the guard comes in? They will stand around in some type of formation while the ghetto critters stand around looking confused. Once they see that the Guard isn't really any immediate threat, then the dregs of society will get brave and start hurling shit and acting like the usual jackasses that they are. What happens after that will be interesting.

Will the media then make the National Guard out to be the villains like the police? Kind of hard to when they don't have the material to use like our department. They will probably blame the police but no matter how hard they harp on us, cameras work both ways. The more America sees how out of control the ghettos are, the more they realize that these democratic cities are a joke. There is a reason why Trump keeps winning and gaining steam.

Again, fuck it. Bring in the National Guard. We got nothing to lose at this point.

5/21/2016 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You hit it on the head SCC. ".....by Constituitional law." Apparently we are not afforded that right. I have to give credit to Dean Angelo these days because he's fighting back. It's time we all fight back and give the media and the mayor what they really really want: nothing. If anyone in their right minds thinks that playing the numbers game and being a "worker" is the right way to do things they're dead f'n wrong. I know this for a fact. Let this play out to their liking . It's evident the media enjoys seeing us on our backs, not sleeping at night because of being stripped for lawsuits or other allegations. Let them reap it

5/21/2016 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is what you get and can expect when you live and work in a city and state completely controlled by liberal, progressive democrats.

5/21/2016 03:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How difficult is it for the obviously leftist media to research something as simple as deadly force encounters and the psychological and physical reactions to it? There are so many scientific studies about that which could be found on even the most basic Google search, that it seems that ignoring that would be a willful deceit directed to the public. The reason the FBI and other federal agencies require a 72 hour waiting period before a statement is made... well you better do your own god damned research you lazy assholes. Pathetic, lazy, ignorant, socialist, ass wipe, yellow journalists working here in this town. They were educated by socialist assholes like the whore Bernardine Dorhrn at Northwestern. What do you expect?

5/21/2016 03:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sworn affidavit is not only a contractual right it is a state law. Take a look at the Police Officers Bill of Rights. Read It, Learn It, Know It. Anti Police Climate is very dangerous. Know your rights. They are there for times like this.

5/21/2016 03:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are involved in a shooting you should request an Ambulance for yourself. You may be experiencing chest pains or, you hit your head during the traumatic incident and are feeling dizzy. Go to the hospital ASAP! Inform the ER staff/DR that you were shot at and believe you hit your head and have chest pains. Chances are they will perform a variety of tests and give you medications to sedate you. No IPRA or whatever the new civilian agency investigators will be allowed to interview you. Play the game just like the criminals do. Look up the symptoms of a concussion. Be safe and smart.

5/21/2016 04:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep working VRI and getting those ISR'S dummies.

5/21/2016 05:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a lot of malfeasance that needs to be addressed. The media needs to unconcern themselves with rights afforded to us in our contract.

5/21/2016 06:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yesterdays command staff news media debriefing about 140 arrests made, is a bunch of crap take all of the 22 districts multiply number of arrests of gangs and drug activity this department has exceeded those expectations in the past but now shots fired during the meeting across the street, 2 people shot!

5/21/2016 06:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always laugh at the morons who have never faced off with someone who was trying his level best to put you in the hurt locker or a hole in the ground demanding total recall... It just doesn't work that way. If these idiots want or think they can write about law enforcement without ever having been there or done that they are writing from total ignorance and given the usual political leanings of the 4'th estate who believe that the life and well being of the average run of the mill welfare breeding sec 8 dwelling felon and tick on societies ass is just as worthy as any other reading their crap always make me think everything they write should start with ONCE UPON A TIME... Like all the other fairy tales do

5/21/2016 06:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of the 24 hours we should be DEMANDING the same rights afforded to the Fed's. 72 hours. They should be no different than us. At least we are not recreating/disturbing a crime scene by locating our shells and taking them with us. Fuck this pony up attitude. NO. NO. NO. do not surrender any of theses provisions or protections. The article said that we gave up wages for these protections why would we surrender them now that we need them the most. Parity is what we should be seeking and nothing less. Not even so our child mAkes sergeant.

5/21/2016 06:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean stated at the FOP meeting he won't say what the top priorities will be for the new contract. He doesn't want the city to know his hand. While I understand this strategy, I don't want to find out he negotiated for the steering wheels on those new cars I've yet to see. Bottom line money is not as important as our protections. If you lose your job there is no money.

5/21/2016 07:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

read the PATF report. all these complaints about our contract is from there. the mayor is using the media to set the stage for the public to support our demise.

5/21/2016 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Journalism is dead in this city. All we have now are wannabe "social justice warriors" looking for a Pulitzer.

Hacks. All of them.

John Kass is the closest thing we have to a real journalist. But he's just a realist who's good at reading the tea leaves on the 5th floor.

As far as "investigative journalism" goes, it's non-existent in this town.

5/21/2016 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how exempts hiding folders or the merit system seem to fall to the way-side in these lovely articles.

May be the FOP should offer giving up merit picks! It is in the contract but the media trolls forget the City begged for this many moons ago.

So I would give up the right to be a merit pick so the city could promote smart officers to lead us in the age of LAQUAN.

I would also give up 20$ worth of uniform allowance for the department to get out of the head ware business.

And I am still waiting for my first issue taser and asp have not forgotten...

5/21/2016 07:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all PO's....NEVER EVER speak to the media don't even say hello, don't acknowledge them PERIOD. They are not your friend they all are products of the liberal institutions. They hate the police. PLEASE LISTEN. ♠️

5/21/2016 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this type of BS doesn't cure you of wanting to do police work, nothing will. You hard chargers better think long and hard about running up and own alleys for that bag of dope or that gun. Is the future of your family worth it. Do you have plans if you are suspended w/out pay for 12 months? Stay fetal until the city and political stop using you for a dart board. Rahm is using you to deflect the attacks from his own self. This climate of police hating will pass, it always does.

5/21/2016 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You'll see on the next contract major changes to the medical. 13 sick days a year, that's it.

5/21/2016 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the BASEBALL HAT is coming BACK!!

5/21/2016 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee not one mention of the reports that state after a shooting it is in the best interest of the officer to first go to the hospital and at least 48 hours later to give a statement. If your forced to give one before that "say nothing" until you get that union attorney. Remember what is written down or stated can be taken the wrong way and held against you. Stay safe one and all.

5/21/2016 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a series of attacks from the Tribune on CPD. Not sure why. But more will be coming.

Just remember 17 days in a row with a homicide.

5/21/2016 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Want this shit show squashed immediately at the negotiation table? Have your negotiating team by the end of business Monday demand to re-open negotiations with the not so subtle message that residency will be subject to both negotiations(yes, it's in the contract so negotiable) and perused at all costs on the courts. The watch them scurry away like cockroaches from the light

5/21/2016 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both rags are running deep in debt and will be out of business in 5 years of less. Their reporters rarely dig for facts, have the prose of a grade school kid, and can't even use spell check on their piece. Good riddance.

5/21/2016 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's use a little judo on Rham, a good crisis should never be wasted. Well we are in crisis let's not wast it. Stay fetal.

5/21/2016 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pandering politicians are chipping away at the state law requiring the sworn affidavit. I predict in the next 2-3 years, that law will be gone and so will any sort of police work. That will be the final nail in the coffin.

5/21/2016 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A diversion from reality. A diversion from the truth. The pols, media and other loudmouths view us as expendable. Scapegoats for all that's wrong in their twisted minds

5/21/2016 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come there is no ammo at the ranges to qualify?

5/21/2016 01:07:00 AM

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Huh?

You were supposed to have qualified by the end of April for duty weapons.
You ONLY had since 1 January to do this.

Did you even file your taxes yet or are you one of those dimwits who still have your W-2 sitting at the desk?

5/21/2016 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you are involved in a shooting you should request an Ambulance for yourself . . . you hit your head during the traumatic incident and are feeling dizzy. Go to the hospital ASAP! Inform the ER staff/DR that you were shot at and believe you hit your head and have chest pains. "

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And since you will have a body camera take a pratfall to verify it.

5/21/2016 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a full on assault on the Police and on all Unions, the Democrats know they lost a large portion of the working class vote and they are making them pay. How many dead yesterday? 4? Keep fetal, 1/4 of the population makes the rules. Only 7 murders til an even 250, lets go Chicago.

5/21/2016 09:29:00 AM  
Blogger Retired Gus said...

I think it's very easy to write an article damning a 24 hour waiting period when you have NO training, experience dealing with traumatic events. Of course these reporters have to deal with the trauma of making sure they stay in the good graces of their City Hall sources that feed their stories to them.Would nickname them the "City Hall lap dogs" but that would be an insult to the K9 community.

5/21/2016 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who said let them bring out the National Guard? They are under a more strict set of rules than we are. Most Guardsman are not trained for civil unrest. They will be bigger Targets than us. Do you think for one minute they are gonna give them live ammo to defend themselves in the middle of the west or south side HA, I'd like to see that Headline. I think it would be something like this: U.S. Soldiers gun down alleged Armed Robbery offender who was just trying to get money for his (6) kids. Guardsman say they saw the Robbery offender put a gun to an 83 yr old women's head and take her purse in front of a McDonald's. Soldiers then confronted the alleged Robbery offender when he pointed and alleged gun at them. The soldiers then shot him at least 16 times with automatic M-16s. Witnesses say the 19 yr old who just got out of prison for a Homicide after two yrs, was on his way to McDonald's to apply for his first ever job when a U.S Soldier gunned him down. The alleged Armed Robbery offenders 32yr old Mom said he never had a gun and the Soldiers planted it on him.

5/21/2016 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Want this shit show squashed immediately at the negotiation table? Have your negotiating team by the end of business Monday demand to re-open contract negotiations with the not so subtle message that residency will be subject to both negotiations(yes, it's in the contract so negotiable) and perused at all costs in the courts. Then watch them scurry away like cockroaches from the light

5/21/2016 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Retired-On-Duty said...

The Tribune's website sucks.

If the page does load it goes to advertisements.

Just another reason my entire family quit buying the Tribune.

I hope they go out of business soon and their communist reporters get stuck living in crime infested neighborhoods where they will finally find out the truth.

5/21/2016 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Said it yesterday, bears repeating.......cancel your subscriptions to this left liberal bullshit rag.....and encourage your family to do the same.
None of these "writers" live in this hell hole of a city...they sit at their little desks, push out anti-police crap on their computers, without ever bothering to verify or research any part of their stories, then take the train home to some suburb where the FERAL don't live....the lying rag of a paper needs to go the way of the dinosaur.....

Stay safe out there, my brothers and sisters.....protect each other, protect your families.....and should you find yourself involved in any kind of altercation, use your contract rights.....know them, use them! And carry your lawyers phone number in your pocket!

5/21/2016 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Last of the Dick's from A-6 said...

I have investigated police involved shootings in this city for over 25 years as a detective, serving in three different detective units in different locations of the city. In all that time I have never encountered an officer who refused to give a statement or used his right to delay giving a statement for the 24 hour cooling off period. Even officers with a serious injury gave statements while receiving medical treatment. The only time I have not had an officer give a statement is on the rare occasion when they were in surgery for the injury that they received during the incident. I do not see this as a problem of any kind. All of the involved officers that I have dealt with realized the importance of getting the information to the investigating detective just for the simple purpose of keeping a suspect in custody until the investigation could be completed, or for the purpose of apprehending a suspect / offender who may have been able to make good his escape. If any other detectives out there have a different view or have encountered an officer who refused to give a statement to an investigating detective I am certain that this is rare, and there are special circumstances involved. I would like to hear about it from someone with actual experience rather than the media who really have no direct knowledge or experience. Under the circumstances of today and the hit that the police are taking with this article it may just be time to start thinking about using the 24 hour cooling off period more often that in the past.

5/21/2016 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mayor and at least eleven aldermen saw the Macdonald tape shortly after the incident.

5/21/2016 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate Rahm as a Mayor, but I love him in the Game of Thrones. Not sure if they replace his finger with a prosthesis or digitally and that wig really looks like his genuine hair. Probably got the part from his brother, the Hollywood mogul, not the crazy doctor that want to kill everyone when they reach 75 years old.

Again, he sucks as a Mayor.

5/21/2016 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish there was a counterbalance to this fucked up and unscrupulous media we have. I mean this is dangerous shit. Any tyrannical government (Pol Pot, Nazis/axis of evil, et al.) have all used deceptive and unrelenting media assault against their enemies. This is precisely what is occurring in our media with cops, whites and conservatives as the targets. It's become a self-constructed media propaganda war with no end in sight and no conceivable and tangible objective. The stories they publish are shamelessly embellished, unapologetically misleading, profoundly inaccurate and the information provided is always packaged as though they are judges delivering a verdict and opinion. The hubris is beyond civil and professional media. Yet they have the nerve to think we will continue to put all on the line for the protection of these weak ass liberals even while they look to tar and feather us at any given time. Well, a hearty "fuck you" is my response. I have the capability to defend myself from a variety of physical threats, due to my training, experience and knowledge. If you want to paint me as the threat while ignoring the real threats of this world, be my guest. I have given up on this liberal, bullshit city. I hope when the wolf gets to your door you can count on yourself to mitigate the threat.

On second thought, fuck the counterbalance to our disgraceful media and their vast and like-minded followers, I think it will be more interesting to watch these liberals suffer at the hands of those I once actively tried to oppose as a LEO. It's open season on cops so let it also be open season for the real criminals. Have at it.

5/21/2016 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Anti-gun liberal Democrats are trying the same type of BS with Gun stores, FFL's and firearm owners who may want to legally sell some of their firearms. They have created a bill, HB-1016, in the Illinois Congress demanding licenses for everyone and their mother. Multiple state licenses would be required along with the bill allowing the city and county to mandate additional licenses. It is a full frontal assault against legitimate gun owner and the 2nd Amendment.

The liberals threw everything but the kitchen sink into this bill hoping some of it will stick and they are doing the same thing to the CPD contract. The politicians are running scared and will try anything they can to not lose power.

Stay fetal and stay safe!

5/21/2016 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Join the NRA

5/21/2016 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone better step up and run against Dean because this article says it all. Read between his lines and you will clearly see where his mind is.

5/21/2016 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Next contract we want twice as much money because of how out of control the violence is in this city. We also want 72 hours to decompress after a deadly force encounter. Don't give up anything. Ask for twice as much. Let's go to arbitration. Out union better not let us down

5/21/2016 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Print news is dying. Tribune knows it ,newspapers across the country know it. The Chicago Police Department has singlehandedly kept the Tribune afloat. Check out the web version . You could pull up all sorts of videos of allegations of police misconduct . All other videos and stories are pay as you read. You got pimps like Kass attempting to be some type of bullshit voice in the wilderness. The tribune is nothing but a tool.

5/21/2016 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If due process rights were abridged for any other group of workers the liberals and progressives would be screaming.

5/21/2016 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm joining in on the next foot chase I hear, tackling the policeman, and beating the shit out of HIM. Why is anyone working still. Let these neighborhoods go to shit

5/21/2016 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The local lapdog media does not want to investigate, verify, or put things into proper perspective because then they wouldn't have an anti police, inflammatory story.
Besides they do like the taste of Rahm's ass.

5/21/2016 11:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the same tribune that broke every Union rule ever negotiated with them in the 80's and then threw the unions out of their company business and half of their employees lost their jobs and are still losing them today

5/21/2016 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Media and everyone not on the Job at some point is missing key issues here: 1. Police Board decisions of discipline were always permanent, contract or not. The issue was expunging cases that were totally unsubstantiated and unfounded or not sustained! By turning over all complaints, there is an implication of guilt, by volume rather than quality. Break it down, to what part of the City, Unit and Whom the "Beefers" were. 2. Rahm is blaming the police for the destruction of his political career, and he is now worried about his "legacy" or job options in a Hillary Administration. So in an effort to appease Blacks and the Media, he is doing everything he can to blame the Police for is problems. Dealing with Hillbilly Congressmen, away from their homes, is a lot different from dealing with an entrenched Machine, on their own turf. Rahm has shown and proven that he is not a tough guy her dealing with Real Tough Guys. Rahm scares nobody here and has shown his incompetence. Even his Detail guys know he is a stroke and a phony.3. Timing is everything; the attorneys behind this movement to expose our records want it done before this session of the legislature ends, so they are desperate to feed the story and keep it alive, NOW. Baby"G"

5/21/2016 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT but really irritating:
I recently worked CTA on 2nd watch and every single route was South and East.
Every route was in the "community" aka "ghetto".
The "ghetto" gets a very disproportionate amount of police and city services while the "quieter" tax paying areas of the city get nothing but the bill and the shaft.
Wake up and make some noise Sheeple!!

5/21/2016 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Last of the Dick's from A-6 said...

Have you as an officer ever tried to take a case into court with out a complaint being signed by the victim ? The only instance of an officer signing a complaint for a victim occurs when the victim is dead in a homicide case or in a domestic violence case where the victim refuses to sign a complaint. What is the outcome in these cases most of the time. Are there any attorneys out there that care to comment on administrative law cases. That is the body of law that we are talking about concerning police discipline as well as how our government treats the general public as well as police officers and other employees. It is the body of law that regulates all of our government agencies. Some of the changes offered by the members of the task force involved are completely absurd. Police officers have the same rights and protections under the law as any other citizen. For some of the lawyers involved in these task forces to actually propose some of this non sense shows that they must not have been paying any attention while attending law school. More than likely they are a group of political hacks who have been told exactly what the outcome of the task force report is to say prior to any meaningful investigation or analyzing of the data and facts. Typical of our great political leaders. Just another cover up by the politicians who have brought us to this point in time. The general public is not sharp enough to even realize what is happening. I hope that there are still some professional lawyers around who care about the system and not just the money that can be obtained from the deep pocket defendants like the city.

5/21/2016 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The tribune is a rag I wouldnt housebreak a dog on for fear of damaging the poor thing's mental and emotional health. Their employees can't be refered as journalists even in the loosest use of the title. The bright spot in all this is that the paper will go the way of all things that become obsolete. Au revoir!

5/21/2016 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wHY WERE mAYORS emailing with IPRA (Independent Police Review Authority) about any of their on going investigations ?
Why did Police Superintendents recommend the firing of many police officers But Police Board over ruled his recommendation
Can we say political interference from city hall

5/21/2016 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are the FBI protections when they are involved in shootings ?

5/21/2016 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had numerous arguments with citizens about how a police officer in a sticky situation who ends up shooting someone, wrongly, is quite different than a murderer who gets dressed, gets his gun, then leaves the house to go hunt and kill a man.

They all of a sudden become very obtuse, saying it's the "same thing." It's not. It's different in kind.

One had express intent to kill, the other made a bad decision under enormous pressure.

Different in kind.

That's why we want these protections.

5/21/2016 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This is what you get and can expect when you live and work in a city and state completely controlled by liberal, progressive democrats.

5/21/2016 03:12:00 AM"

So tell us stalwart conservative, why on Earth would you live here???

5/21/2016 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets get some real conversation also started on the real issue, our pension and why it is drained. Put FOP (Dean Angelo) and Mike Lappe on the spot SCC. They were elected for this very reason. Not just to suck up to lawyers and doctors and gold star bosses. They should have our voice not their voice.
Just like the fire dept we need to end gold braid pensions and no exempts be allowed to collect at exempt rank. Demand to FOP and Mike Lappe to go after those people first and change rules which would end this practice of collecting high pensions before starting anywhere else. Lappe and Dean then need to address double dipping when it comes to Don O'Neil and others who retire , collect the gold braid pension then also collect a city salary. End this pratice now and stop distracting us while putting attention on every single copper on disability . The union needs to stop the aggressive use of status hearings. They abuse the powers of status hearings. Every status hearing is money out of the officers pocket to pay a lawyer to represent them. That is not the issue. The problem is having 2 hearings a year or every year is the problem. This power by the pension board needs to be challenged and the and addressed when being abused and having officers go to 2 hearings every year and 3 appointments every year. I fully support getting rid of officers abusing the system but there is a process which exist and it's being abused for whatever reasons even when there is no evidence of abuse from doctors, private investigators etc . This in itself also drains our pension due to doctors being paid by pension fund along with private investigation firms and others. Status hearings serve a great purpose but the practice of it has been beyond resonable the last 3 years by the board and the union says nothing. Our own disabled FOP leader says nothing. A FOIA will be filed one day and the amount of money shelled out to doctor IME, FCE's and private investigators as well as lawyers is truly not a "investment". Its a waste and distraction. Put those doctor bills, private investigation bill's and lawyer fees along with the gold braid pensions and it all comes out of our pension funds. If anything they are wasting way more then ever just to give to others and not our own.
Wake up officers. The disablity program is not the issue and Lappe and Dean are aware of this. It is really a money maker for them. Our pension funds need to be addressed and we need real leaders to step up and step up with good intent and motivations to do whats right. End gold braid pensions and stop double dipping. When it comes to these issues The Fire Dept does not have these issues due there leaders and we need or "leaders" to act. Mike Lappe and Dean say nothing. Those are not leaders who are elected to represent the back bone of officers. End gold braid pensions! Stop the real waste and hold Mike Lappe accountable . I want to know why Mike Lappe never brings up Gold Braid Pensions and double dipping from retired bosses!!!!Why board member Lappe? Why President Angelo????

5/21/2016 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-21/407000-workers-stunned-pension-fund-proposes-60-cuts-treasury-says-not-enough





Submitted by Michael Shedlock via MishTalk.com,

407,000 private sector workers are about to lose most of their pensions.

I first wrote about this on April 21, in One of Nation’s Largest Pension Funds (Truckers) Will Reduce Benefits or Go Broke by 2025.

The Central States Pension Fund, which handles the retirement benefits for current and former Teamster union truck drivers across various states applied for reductions under that law.

Currently the plan pays out $3.46 in pension benefits for every $1 it receives from employers. That’s a drain of $2 billion annually.

The plan filed for 60% cuts in pensions. The Treasury Department has the final say. The verdict came in today: “cuts not deep enough

5/21/2016 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In my opinion, these contractual protections you speak of are of the utmost importance in upcoming talks! Please Officers, don't fall for the bullshit offer of more money in lieu of your rights!
Forget residency and all the other nonsense offers the city may present. If you step in shit, but agreed to giving up your rights, you'll be able to live anywhere you want cuz you'll be out of a job!
Don't be short-sighted!
This is our livelihood!

5/21/2016 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember that legal hack, Karen Rowan? Head of Legal Affairs and she told Hillard that CPD did not have to require an affidavit. The Corp. Counsel went along with that purely illegal advice. After the legal tramp left CPD, she went on to sell real estate with Oscar D'Angelo, who was later disbarred. So where is Karen malpracticing law? Anyone know where that CPD gold star hack end up?

5/21/2016 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anybody expect the media to tell the truth, we need to boycott the advertisers of the Tribune, call them and tell them why. Jesse Jackson organizes boycotts all of the time, and his people don't purchase any of those items. It still works.

5/21/2016 04:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Report to work on time with the correct uniform of the day. Do all the camera and mic stuff if equipped with such. Answer radio assignments. Write all reports that need to be written. Always provide Back-up to fellow officers. If R.A.S. exists and you can interpret into words then a ISR maybe written.

Turn in car keys, radio and go home.

Simple as that.

Repeat.

5/21/2016 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous $500,000 + said...

Keep working VRI and getting those ISR'S dummies.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

You DO NOT need ISRs for VRI.

I am putting $1000 a paycheck into my Deferred Comp (Age 50+)THANKS to the VRI scam.

One day you will be crying when the pension is gone, however the rest of us maxed in our 457s will be surviving.

DUMMY.

5/21/2016 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC story up over at hot air on how body cams increase assualts on police

5/21/2016 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger cglynn1 said...

Comparison to store owner leaves out the fact that the store owner doesn't have to say anything. He can remain silent. A policeman must make a statement or he is in jeopardy of losing his job. So I don't know why there would be a problem if IPRA has to wait 24 hours for the statement.

5/21/2016 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

++++++

Sure, idiot, because everyone else is afforded LEGAL COUNSEL...not police though. We are ordered to give a statement, contrary to our constitutional rights. Is that good enough for you? I'd much rather have my constitutional rights.

5/21/2016 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ymous said...
Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.
5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM


That store owner doesn't have to make any statement. 5th amendment to the U.S. constitution. Your whole premise is false.

You're welcome.

5/21/2016 06:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, annual weapons qualification did not start until mid March...it has since been suspended. Did u you not read the order for 2016.,

5/21/2016 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
How come there is no ammo at the ranges to qualify?

5/21/2016 01:07:00 AM

-----------

Huh?

You were supposed to have qualified by the end of April for duty weapons.
You ONLY had since 1 January to do this.

Did you even file your taxes yet or are you one of those dimwits who still have your W-2 sitting at the desk?


5/21/2016 09:07:00 AM

This HAS to be from someone above the rank of Sgt. Can't be a PO.

5/21/2016 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why didn't the other cops stop
VanDyke from shooting?"

Seeing this rattle-mind nonsense in some form
every time there's a Police related incident
with difficult optics...

Most fall into the "Lawful but Awful" category.

These loons want to see Policemen rolling
around on the ground with each other...

"I arrest YOU!"
"No! I arrest YOU!"

Meanwhile...
The Catered-To Constituent Death Cultists
get to take long-legged, free and easy,
unencumbered strides full of swagger
and swing-dickery while The Police
have been intentionally beaten
into a corner to fulfill a narrative.

5/21/2016 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

OT but really irritating:
I recently worked CTA on 2nd watch and every single route was South and East.
Every route was in the "community" aka "ghetto".
The "ghetto" gets a very disproportionate amount of police and city services while the "quieter" tax paying areas of the city get nothing but the bill and the shaft.
Wake up and make some noise Sheeple!!

5/21/2016 11:30:00 AM
Not just that but vri hundreds of millions gone,all the non-taxpaying areas police everywhere but still shootings and muerder and mayhem. Beside that letting manpower dwindle in highly taxed areas to devote more resources to the 'chiraq killing fields" As they say taxpayers "it's your money" obviously your so beholden to the city hall crew you let yourselves be sacrificed for what?

5/21/2016 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The shop owner can request a lawyer be present who will then advise their client not to answer any questions at a time made by appointment of the shop owner/lawyers convenience. Police officers do not have that flexibility

5/21/2016 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM

The store owner is protected by the 5th Amendment. They can say " I want a lawyer". Nobody interviews them.

5/21/2016 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Actually they have the right to say nothing at all and request a lawyer, which is what I would do if I was a citizen defending myself. And I recommend any other "victim" to consult legal representation before making any statements as well. Give them your identification and make no statements. Today's witness is tomorrow's offender.

5/21/2016 08:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) just got back from northside visiting I know should know better took redline from chinatown, but this is funny, got off train by wilson stop, 3 M/1 approach and say "gimme your money" acting as if they had a gun (they could have who knows) ok the best part I am having weird heart issues so i was wearing a "holter moniter" (A device with leads attached on your chest and upper torso and a square box) I say "OK I have my cash right here" I opened my shirt exposing the wires and monitor and said "You want to meet allah" loudly they looked turned a lighter black color yelled "crazy motherf**ker" and ran faster than anything I have seen ever! Now don't know why i did this, I had my weapon on ankle holster but thankfully this worked the laugh was worth it!

5/21/2016 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Former copper turned fed, most of you guys are correct about the 72 hour period after the shooting, what you are wrong about is, we do not go in front of a board, we write a statement with our supervisor for review. Just figured you would like to know the truth

5/21/2016 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK Riddle me this , is there going to be a 2 full page rebuttal in the Fibune on page 1 is the hit piece and on the following page a line by line rebuttal to lies printed. Gee now that sounds like a good use of FOP Funds to me and they HAVE to give the space.....Just Sayin

5/21/2016 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
How come there is no ammo at the ranges to qualify?

5/21/2016 01:07:00 AM

-----------

Huh?

You were supposed to have qualified by the end of April for duty weapons.
You ONLY had since 1 January to do this.

Did you even file your taxes yet or are you one of those dimwits who still have your W-2 sitting at the desk?


5/21/2016 09:07:00 AM

Nice comment there, especially with the name calling from somebody who clearly has no clue. Qualification this year didn't start until mid-March and was stopped mid-April because of the ammo recall.

5/21/2016 09:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM
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He cannot be ordered to make a statement. The police can.

5/21/2016 09:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM

Get the fuck off our blog you liberal troll piece of shit.

Now to answer your question, because after getting into an officer involved shooting, our shooting will be investigated thoroughly and the officer needs time to relax, gather his thoughts and write his report. We only get ONE CHANCE TO GIVE OUR VERSION. The civilian can get a lawyer or even refuse to say anything. See the difference asshole? An officer who shoots someone has to cooperate with the investigation. While the civilian who shoots someone can say nothing and simply say I will hire a lawyer and you talk to my lawyer.

Have a nice day you liberal piece of shit.

5/21/2016 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:07am.....before you start ragging on someone else's comment maybe you should've paid attention that the Dept stopped qualifications awhile back because they had a huge inventory of bad ammo and now have to replace it before they start qualifications again.

5/21/2016 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


(OT) just got back from northside visiting I know should know better took redline from chinatown, but this is funny, got off train by wilson stop, 3 M/1 approach and say "gimme your money" acting as if they had a gun (they could have who knows) ok the best part I am having weird heart issues so i was wearing a "holter moniter" (A device with leads attached on your chest and upper torso and a square box) I say "OK I have my cash right here" I opened my shirt exposing the wires and monitor and said "You want to meet allah" loudly they looked turned a lighter black color yelled "crazy motherf**ker" and ran faster than anything I have seen ever! Now don't know why i did this, I had my weapon on ankle holster but thankfully this worked the laugh was worth it!

5/21/2016 08:27:00 PM

You, sir, just MADE my day! Still laughing as I type this. (Glad it worked out okay.)

5/21/2016 11:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets get some real conversation also started on the real issue, our pension and why it is drained. Put FOP (Dean Angelo) and Mike Lappe on the spot SCC. They were elected for this very reason. Not just to suck up to lawyers and doctors and gold star bosses. They should have our voice not their voice.
Just like the fire dept we need to end gold braid pensions and no exempts be allowed to collect at exempt rank. Demand to FOP and Mike Lappe to go after those people first and change rules which would end this practice of collecting high pensions before starting anywhere else. Lappe and Dean then need to address double dipping when it comes to Don O'Neil and others who retire , collect the gold braid pension then also collect a city salary. End this pratice now and stop distracting us while putting attention on every single copper on disability . The union needs to stop the aggressive use of status hearings. They abuse the powers of status hearings. Every status hearing is money out of the officers pocket to pay a lawyer to represent them. That is not the issue. The problem is having 2 hearings a year or every year is the problem. This power by the pension board needs to be challenged and the and addressed when being abused and having officers go to 2 hearings every year and 3 appointments every year. I fully support getting rid of officers abusing the system but there is a process which exist and it's being abused for whatever reasons even when there is no evidence of abuse from doctors, private investigators etc . This in itself also drains our pension due to doctors being paid by pension fund along with private investigation firms and others. Status hearings serve a great purpose but the practice of it has been beyond resonable the last 3 years by the board and the union says nothing. Our own disabled FOP leader says nothing. A FOIA will be filed one day and the amount of money shelled out to doctor IME, FCE's and private investigators as well as lawyers is truly not a "investment". Its a waste and distraction. Put those doctor bills, private investigation bill's and lawyer fees along with the gold braid pensions and it all comes out of our pension funds. If anything they are wasting way more then ever just to give to others and not our own.
Wake up officers. The disablity program is not the issue and Lappe and Dean are aware of this. It is really a money maker for them. Our pension funds need to be addressed and we need real leaders to step up and step up with good intent and motivations to do whats right. End gold braid pensions and stop double dipping. When it comes to these issues The Fire Dept does not have these issues due there leaders and we need or "leaders" to act. Mike Lappe and Dean say nothing. Those are not leaders who are elected to represent the back bone of officers. End gold braid pensions! Stop the real waste and hold Mike Lappe accountable . I want to know why Mike Lappe never brings up Gold Braid Pensions and double dipping from retired bosses!!!!Why board member Lappe? Why President Angelo????

5/21/2016 01:06:00 PM
Call Mike Lappe at pension board I talked to him the other day he will give you honest answers he told me many things not putting them on public blog!

5/21/2016 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember that legal hack, Karen Rowan? Head of Legal Affairs and she told Hillard that CPD did not have to require an affidavit. The Corp. Counsel went along with that purely illegal advice. After the legal tramp left CPD, she went on to sell real estate with Oscar D'Angelo, who was later disbarred. So where is Karen malpracticing law? Anyone know where that CPD gold star hack end up?

5/21/2016 03:00:00 PM


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5/21/2016 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Paul Kersey said...

SO many comments.

I DO agree with one thing - Where is FOP in a response?

Also - best comment was the one where the "alleged" robbers were shown what looked to be a strapped-on bomb set on the CTA and asked if they wanted to meet Allah.

Anonymous said: "OK I have my cash right here" I opened my shirt exposing the wires and monitor and said "You want to meet allah" loudly they looked turned a lighter black color yelled "crazy motherf**ker" and ran faster than anything I have seen ever!

Where were the CTA cameras covering that? Now THAT would have been a good robbery attempt to have gone viral.

Stay fatal.

5/22/2016 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come there is no ammo at the ranges to qualify?

-----------

You were supposed to have qualified by the end of April for duty weapons.
You ONLY had since 1 January to do this.

Did you even file your taxes yet or are you one of those dimwits who still have your W-2 sitting at the desk?

-----------

Nice comment there, especially with the name calling from somebody who clearly has no clue. Qualification this year didn't start until mid-March and was stopped mid-April because of the ammo recall.

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So you had a MONTH to do a 20 minute qualification and still didn't do it until you had to be reminded.

5/22/2016 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fight residency. The City, the public, they're after our benefits, our legal due process and protection, our pensions. There is no fair play anymore. We are seen as enemies. Why play nice any more?

Study case law from other cities' departments that have beaten residency laws, take the case all the way to the Supreme Court of the land. Don't negotiate for lifting residency contractually, it won't go anywhere.

Stick it to these asshole politicians. They hate us anyway so they can get voted in.

5/22/2016 02:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im reasonable 20 and out full pension 1st request

2nd no more merit picks for Detective

3rd No more merit for Sgt.

City can keep records forever but must release all info online of offender involved with any case with picture.

All members covered under contract Tact,Gang,Desk Dollies etc. etc.

Bid for start times.

bid for assignment.

Mandatory Bid opening when person retires or leaves an assignment.

Promotion test grading done on site right after test.

General order stating white shirt may not participate in any study groups or be terminated.

No retiree may be hired as civilian above the salary of 50k.

No dean just keep asking for squad cars that never came...

5/22/2016 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/21/2016 01:06:00 PM
Call Mike Lappe at pension board I talked to him the other day he will give you honest answers he told me many things not putting them on public blog!
5/21/2016 11:15:00 PM

How about Mike Lappe Dog and Dean Angelo do their jobs and inform our members about topics such as the pension without us having to call them? And if you aren't going to put any information on this public blog, then quit wasting everyone's time by posting your useless comment.

5/22/2016 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Convenience store owner does not have to say shit other than "I want to speak to my attorney"

5/22/2016 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks. 5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM
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He cannot be ordered to make a statement. The police can.

Its called the right to remain silent and the citizens does not ever have to speak even in trial it give the citizen in Crook county up to 2 years to prepare a defenses for trail.

If the police invoke that basic civil right they can lose their job for not following and order. and they have used administrative questions as evidence even though they are not suppose to use it against the officer in a criminal trial.

5/22/2016 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Report to work on time with the correct uniform of the day. Do all the camera and mic stuff if equipped with such. Answer radio assignments. Write all reports that need to be written. Always provide Back-up to fellow officers. If R.A.S. exists and you can interpret into words then a ISR maybe written.

Turn in car keys, radio and go home.

Simple as that.

Repeat.

5/21/2016 04:40:00 PM
----------------------------------
Been a street sgt for 20 years, and that is all i ask of the troops, with a major emphasis on "Always provide Back-up to fellow officers".

5/22/2016 11:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM

Get the fuck off our blog you liberal troll piece of shit.

Now to answer your question, because after getting into an officer involved shooting, our shooting will be investigated thoroughly and the officer needs time to relax, gather his thoughts and write his report. We only get ONE CHANCE TO GIVE OUR VERSION. The civilian can get a lawyer or even refuse to say anything. See the difference asshole? An officer who shoots someone has to cooperate with the investigation. While the civilian who shoots someone can say nothing and simply say I will hire a lawyer and you talk to my lawyer.

Have a nice day you liberal piece of shit.

5/21/2016 09:37:00 PM

Thanks for the insults. But an officer's compelled statement can't be used against him or her in a criminal prosecution. Unless, perhaps, if the officer knowingly lies.

Again, would the legitimate trauma of a licensed gun owner/store owner be a reason that you would wait 24 hours to question him after he killed a robber? Of course not. So don't expect civilians to accept that reasoning for police officers.

5/22/2016 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you had a MONTH to do a 20 minute qualification and still didn't do it until you had to be reminded.

5/22/2016 01:48:00 AM

You are an insufferable moron. Riding with you must be pure hell. Oh, and dumb ass, qualifications are not done when you feel like showing up. They're done on a matrix by unit. Now shut the fuck up and go fetch your shine box.

5/22/2016 01:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'm joining in on the next foot chase I hear, tackling the policeman, and beating the shit out of HIM. Why is anyone working still. Let these neighborhoods go to shit.

Good idea! Have your partner record it. You'll win $100,000 on americas funneyest videos.

5/22/2016 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say we give it all up and do it exactly like the Feds and no arrests unless a judge approves, and 72 hours for statements on shootings, but best of all their use of force model!!

5/22/2016 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the insults. But an officer's compelled statement can't be used against him or her in a criminal prosecution. Unless, perhaps, if the officer knowingly lies.

Again, would the legitimate trauma of a licensed gun owner/store owner be a reason that you would wait 24 hours to question him after he killed a robber? Of course not. So don't expect civilians to accept that reasoning for police officers.
5/22/2016 11:35:00 AM

Can the store owner be fired for refusing to make a statement? No? Police officers can. That is the difference. We are not treated the same as civilians for a plethora of reasons and for you to suggest that we somehow get special treatment is disingenuous and insulting.

5/22/2016 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fight residency and merit promotions. Hold your ground, don't give in. The merit alone will make them wither because they couldn't have the PC department without it.

5/22/2016 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say we give it all up and do it exactly like the Feds and no arrests unless a judge approves, and 72 hours for statements on shootings, but best of all their use of force model!!

5/22/2016 06:10:00 PM
That is a good idea! Make sure you never arrest without signed complaints and a proper signature none of that I will sign for you! no signing no arrest simple as that! Proactive the word should only be on your kids acne cream!

5/22/2016 10:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC what about them cheaters on the Lieutenants test?
Anything new?
Any demotions?
Any changes coming?
WTF are they going to get away with this shit?

5/22/2016 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of confusion here. Let me try and make it a bit clearer.

CONSTITUTION
First of all, there is absolutely zero 6th Amendment right of confrontation available to police officers regarding providing a statement to any investigative agency investigating police misconduct. IPRA or IAD can question an officer for ADMINISTRATIVE purposes and the officer does not have any constitutional right to confront his accusers. The 6th amendment's right of confrontation only applies to criminal trials. It does not apply to civil cases, criminal investigations, and does not even apply to preliminary matters in criminal cases. To be clear, anonymous administrative complaints are prohibited by state statute, not the constitution. Therefore, it is possible that officers' current protections against anonymous complaints could change in the future with new legislation, as many anti-police groups are advocating for in their push to crush law enforcement.

SHOP OWNER HYPOTHETICAL/STATEMENTS
Second, the 24 hour cooling off time period before an officer provides a statement only applies to a statement made in an administrative investigation NOT a criminal investigation. For CPD, that means an officer does not have to provide an administrative statement to IPRA until at least 24 hours has elapsed. This is separate from providing a statement to detectives or OCIC/Street Deputy shortly after the shooting. Those statements occur after the officer is ordered to speak by a supervisor. That investigation is a criminal investigation and the statements to detectives and an OCIC/Street Deputy are purposely made to be compelled statements to provide the officer with "Garrity" protection. Essentially Garrity case law dictates that because the statements to the detectives and OCIC/Street Deputy were compelled, the law requires that statement to be protected and it cannot be used in the future against the officer criminally.

YOUR UNION'S ROLE AND YOUR CONTRACT
Third,the 24 hour cooling off period is a direct result of arbitration from 2011. Officers currently enjoy that protection because Officet Greg Bella spearheaded the push to require 48 hours after a shooting. The arbitrator's mixed ruling ultimately resulted in the City and FOP negotiating after the award for the current time frame of 24 hours. Prior to the arbitrator's award, a shooting officer had to give a statement within 2 hours of IPRA's request, whenever or however soon it was requested after the shooting. For example, if IPRA came on scene a half hour after the shooting and immediately requested the shooting officer to provide a statement, the shooting officer would have to give an administrative statement to IPRA no later than 2 hours from the request. So in that example, the officer would have to provide his statement just 2.5 hours after being involved in a shooting! The arbitration award is available on your union's web page. It's 54 pages long and all oficers should familiarize themselves with it.

5/22/2016 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


THE NATURE OF ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATIONS
Fourth, IPRA conducts administrative investigations. If misconduct is found, the course of action is to seek an administrative penalty. That can mean discipline which includes suspension up to termination. An officer can be involved in a shooting that results in a criminal investigation with no criminal charges or even one that results in charges that are eventually defeated by a not guilty verdict, BUT that shooting can still form the basis for an administrative finding that could cost the officer his career. For example, Officer Servin was found not guilty of his criminal charges, but the administrative investigation resulted in charges for separation. If he did not resign, he would have had a hearing before the Police Board, which is the only lawful body that can actually fire a CPD officer under current state law.

Fifth, CPD as your employer, through the Superintendent, can only seek your termination by filing charges at the Police Board. The Police Board is an administrative agency and you will be fighting for your job under administrative law not criminal law. The burden is much less than what you're used to dealing with in criminal law, simply because under administrative law the accused cannot lose their liberty, only their employment. The burden of proof is preponderance of the evidence and not beyond a reasonable doubt. The rules of evidence don't even apply there. You can find the ten pages of the Police Board's Rules of Procedure on the City's website.

I hope this clears up a lot of the confusion on this topic. You guys and gals can verify everything written here by going to the sources referenced or by searching for 6th Amendment right of confrontation.

Thanks for keeping us all safe and sacrificing so much of yourselves.

Sincerely,
Huginn and Muginn

5/22/2016 11:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate Rahm as a Mayor, but I love him in the Game of Thrones. Not sure if they replace his finger with a prosthesis or digitally and that wig really looks like his genuine hair. Probably got the part from his brother, the Hollywood mogul, not the crazy doctor that want to kill everyone when they reach 75 years old.

Again, he sucks as a Mayor.



ah Yes, Peter Baelish on of the most hated mfers on the show.... I was laughing when I read this. Fuck Rahm!

5/22/2016 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the insults. But an officer's compelled statement can't be used against him or her in a criminal prosecution. Unless, perhaps, if the officer knowingly lies.

Again, would the legitimate trauma of a licensed gun owner/store owner be a reason that you would wait 24 hours to question him after he killed a robber? Of course not. So don't expect civilians to accept that reasoning for police officers.

5/22/2016 11:35:00 AM

Who do you think you are trying to tell the police how to do their job? I'm a civilian too and not familiar with police work or their contractual protocols. I support the police and realize that if they're involved in a shooting, then they should be entitled to their rights under their contract. Police are human beings and being involved in a violent incident is traumatizing. They should have time to collect their thoughts before making a statement. So go back to your McJob and leave law enforcement to the professionals. If you're going to whine about paying taxes, I pay them too and so does every CPD officer. By the way, I've noticed that there are a lot of "civilians" in Chicago with shoe sizes larger than their IQ's. I appreciate all that the men and women on the CPD do and have no respect for the media, politicians and squishy soft liberals who are making their jobs more difficult and dangerous.

5/23/2016 12:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the insults. But an officer's compelled statement can't be used against him or her in a criminal prosecution. Unless, perhaps, if the officer knowingly lies.

The above statement is no longer true. The new legal system has used a compelled statement against the police many times in the past 5 years.

Until you work as a police officer, do not try and claim you know how to do police work. Being a policemen is not like working at a gun store or being a civilian. If you do not like the police please do not call for them when you are in trouble, handle the problem yourself.

5/23/2016 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Thanks for the insults. But an officer's compelled statement can't be used against him or her in a criminal prosecution. Unless, perhaps, if the officer knowingly lies.

Again, would the legitimate trauma of a licensed gun owner/store owner be a reason that you would wait 24 hours to question him after he killed a robber? Of course not. So don't expect civilians to accept that reasoning for police officers.

5/22/2016 11:35:00 AM

You were given the answer to your question numerous times but in true liberal fashion you ignored those answers because you didn't like them and didn't agree with them. So, like any other liberal, you weren't really asking a question. You were stating your uninformed opinion in the form of a question with the intention of antagonizing police officers that read this blog and baiting them into an argument because like every other liberal, you're anti-police, until you need the police. Now get off our blog asshole.

5/23/2016 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM

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Fair question ... it's an administrative rule. It's not a criminal rule, meaning, if the cop is dirty he will be locked up, period. SO that doesn't change. What the rule means is, the cop CANNOT assert his constitutional right to remain silent under the 5th Amendment. Well, he can, and that would play out in the criminal trial, but he'd be fired administratively.

That's all this rule means.

5/23/2016 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thanks for the insults.....


Glad to accommodate you. Asshat.

5/23/2016 11:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Gran Torino said...

Is staying fetal becoming more apparent yet?

5/24/2016 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop, but I read regularly, and find many of your posts help people understand politics and what happens in the street.

But please think about this: Convenience store owner is a victim of armed robbery. He pulls a gun and kills the robber. Do you wait 24 hours to interview him because of his trauma? I don't think so.

Now tell me why cops, FBI agents, or anyone else should get different treatment.

Thanks.

5/21/2016 10:49:00 AM

The store owner is usually treated like the victim.

Nowadays, Law Enforcement is treated like the offender.

5/24/2016 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets get some real conversation also started on the real issue, our pension and why it is drained. Put FOP (Dean Angelo) and Mike Lappe on the spot SCC. They were elected for this very reason. Not just to suck up to lawyers and doctors and gold star bosses. They should have our voice not their voice.
Just like the fire dept we need to end gold braid pensions and no exempts be allowed to collect at exempt rank. Demand to FOP and Mike Lappe to go after those people first and change rules which would end this practice of collecting high pensions before starting anywhere else. Lappe and Dean then need to address double dipping when it comes to Don O'Neil and others who retire , collect the gold braid pension then also collect a city salary. End this pratice now and stop distracting us while putting attention on every single copper on disability . The union needs to stop the aggressive use of status hearings. They abuse the powers of status hearings. Every status hearing is money out of the officers pocket to pay a lawyer to represent them. That is not the issue. The problem is having 2 hearings a year or every year is the problem. This power by the pension board needs to be challenged and the and addressed when being abused and having officers go to 2 hearings every year and 3 appointments every year. I fully support getting rid of officers abusing the system but there is a process which exist and it's being abused for whatever reasons even when there is no evidence of abuse from doctors, private investigators etc . This in itself also drains our pension due to doctors being paid by pension fund along with private investigation firms and others. Status hearings serve a great purpose but the practice of it has been beyond resonable the last 3 years by the board and the union says nothing. Our own disabled FOP leader says nothing. A FOIA will be filed one day and the amount of money shelled out to doctor IME, FCE's and private investigators as well as lawyers is truly not a "investment". Its a waste and distraction. Put those doctor bills, private investigation bill's and lawyer fees along with the gold braid pensions and it all comes out of our pension funds. If anything they are wasting way more then ever just to give to others and not our own.
Wake up officers. The disablity program is not the issue and Lappe and Dean are aware of this. It is really a money maker for them. Our pension funds need to be addressed and we need real leaders to step up and step up with good intent and motivations to do whats right. End gold braid pensions and stop double dipping. When it comes to these issues The Fire Dept does not have these issues due there leaders and we need or "leaders" to act. Mike Lappe and Dean say nothing. Those are not leaders who are elected to represent the back bone of officers. End gold braid pensions! Stop the real waste and hold Mike Lappe accountable . I want to know why Mike Lappe never brings up Gold Braid Pensions and double dipping from retired bosses!!!!Why board member Lappe? Why President Angelo????

5/21/2016 01:06:00 PM

A great discussion that you should start at the next FOP meeting.

5/24/2016 07:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
"This is what you get and can expect when you live and work in a city and state completely controlled by liberal, progressive democrats.

5/21/2016 03:12:00 AM"

So tell us stalwart conservative, why on Earth would you live here???
5/21/2016 12:18:00 PM

Oh you're a real genius aren't you? Let's see... I live in this shithole because I've been a cop here for over 20 years and I'm forced to live here you moron. Now I suppose you'll say something stupid like "if you don't like it why don't you get a new job". I'll just answer that for you too dummy. Because I'm in my 50's and have already put in 20 years. Don't worry though, I'll be retiring soon and leaving when I do you insufferable jackass.

5/25/2016 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/21@01:06PM - You are right - but you also need to mention the longest serving police member of the Pension Board - Ken Hauser! Now he is "representing" the retired members as well as serving on the FOP Bd. Of Directors. Where was he when the Daley/Vanecko Crime Family borrowed - then lost 60$ M from OUR Pension Fund? Or when Miriam Santos (then City Treasurer) stopped taking orders from King Richie and began discussing other funding problems with city pensions? Hauser has consistently neglected the needs of his constituency while serving at the beck & call of City Hall.
Adding Hauser's name will give you a blue shirt version of the 3 Stooges.

Retired .38 spl +P

5/25/2016 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pension should be based on the average of last 10 years of salary .
No cola until you reach mandatory retirement age .

5/26/2016 01:02:00 PM  

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