Thursday, July 07, 2016

And There it is....

The "Death Spiral" has become painfully visible, even to those willfully blind:
  • Cook County taxpayers are outraged after property tax bills showed up in the mail. The bills are skyrocketing this year. The city of Chicago and its public school district's fiscal problems literally hit home over the weekend, when property owners saw their second installment tax bills.

    Outside the assessor's office, city homeowners told one property tax horror story after another.

    "Our taxes increased fivefold," said William Phillips of Rogers Park. "I was expecting it to go up maybe twice as much but not four to five times as much."

    "My tax bill increased almost $1,200 dollars," said Cornes King of Chatham.

    "More than tripled. The city's piece more than tripled," said Logan Square resident Janelle Squire.
The common complaint?
  • "I don't think that I'm getting the services for what I'm paying for," said King.
Neither do a lot of the people paying a lot more than you. Who is the media blaming most of all?
  • The bills that arrived over the weekend reflect rising Cook County real estate values and, in Chicago, the city's $588 million levy increase. Most of it is to restore police and firefighter pensions that Mayor Rahm Emanuel says his predecessors underfunded.
Rahm can't even say "Daley" out loud and relies on the media to say "his predecessors." His only "predecessor" ran the city for how long? Twenty-two years. But he throws the First Responders out there front-and-center.

And the pain isn't over - not by along shot:
  • Sensing taxpayer unrest, Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle promised not to consider a property tax increase to resolve her government's deficit.

    [...] But the Chicago Public Schools Board is expected to approve a $250 million property tax hike to pay for teacher pensions. The new levy was enabled last week by the Illinois General Assembly and Governor Bruce Rauner. The additional charges, hundreds of dollars more for an average city house, will appear on tax bills a year from now.

    [...] Homeowners could also have less money to pay their property taxes if the Illinois income tax is raised eventually to address the fiscal problems in Springfield.
What are these people going to do? Not all of them, but some are going to simply pack up and leave. Look for someplace more affordable. Someplace that they feel they're getting their money's worth. Somewhere that isn't Cook County.

How many? That'll be the interesting part - one-in-twenty? One-in-ten? Chicago lost something like a quarter million residents in the last census. In reality, it was probably a wash due to illegal conversions and illegal aliens. But in terms of properties that are generating property tax revenue? Places like Englewood have well over 2,000 vacant or abandoned properties, and those are the parcels with buildings on them - how many bulldozed lots? What about Austin? North Lawndale? How many lots were sold to assorted make-believe churches for $1? They might enrich a pastor at some unforeseen future date, while he endorses the flavor-of-the-day aldercreature, but what kind of taxes are being generated today?

And what happens in a few years when the politicians reassess and find even fewer citizens (and businesses) to tax, and the same unpaid pension obligations and the crushing debt in Springfield?

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157 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

My wife and I are talking of selling our house and renting. We believe the housing market is going to crash again in Chicago. All by the fault of Chicago politicians and stealing. We want to get out of here before the bottom falls out. We are hoping things will hold up for seven more years and we are gone.

7/07/2016 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good-big government comes with a high price/taxes. Property owner's have to expect to pay for government services, police, fire and good schools.

7/07/2016 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and cease fire got 4 million, jackpot

7/07/2016 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Millennials as they are called are falling over themselves to move here. Look at Ukrainian village, Buck town south loop West loop, Lincoln Park. The city is becoming gentrified. Major companies are moving their headquarters here. City is on the upswing like it or not.

7/07/2016 12:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Detroit West here we come.

7/07/2016 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RahmBoZo.......gave it Raw....

7/07/2016 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is going to be a financial train wreck the likes of which most of us can't even imagine .

7/07/2016 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taxpayers DID NOT pay for my pension for the last twenty years when little or no money went into the funds. And now they are MAD? Be mad at the politicians and not at the first responders. We paid fully into our pensions. Taxpayers got a free ride for a long time, But now, the chickens have come home to roost. No sympathy from this retiree.

7/07/2016 01:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Socialism works until you run out of other people's money.

M. Thatcher

7/07/2016 02:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work for the city and have been renting for a long time and now that I'm in the position to buy a house I really don't want to. I don't see the value in living here anymore and with 10 years to go I don't want to be in a house that I'll have to sell. I think I'll buy property outside of the city and just hang on to that.

Thanks democRATS for sticking it to the working man just to keep cultivating votes.

7/07/2016 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happens when Boeing leaves, or Sears finally goes bankrupt?
I don't thing the Chicago Board of Trade will be hiring soon.

We are already in the spiral, and it will take a miracle to power out of it.

7/07/2016 03:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am glad I moved out of cook county... Good bye shit hole

7/07/2016 04:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Start by taxing the dead because if you live in this city there's a greater chance of seeing the afterlife then any war torn country. Most of these shit heads that are being killed have insurance or left over dope money that they can't take with them to hell.

7/07/2016 04:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they think they're going to get any sort of property tax relief moving to any of the collar counties surrounding Cook they are sadly mistaken. You'll have to move out of state. I'm a retired p.o. living in Kane Co. Property taxes went up 50% out here last year! Nearly threw up after opening the tax bill.

7/07/2016 05:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The make believe churches - water free, garbage free - sidewalks - free. Public school want new schools but close ones down the block for lack of enrollment. The charter school and other bull shit names to just spend our tax $$ on shit.

People will start not paying their mortgages and let their property go into foreclosure. Time the bank takes the residence back, its five to eight years.

Daley will go to hell and his late father is turning in his grave knowing his son doomed this once great city.

Watch for Rahm to sell Midway Airport to one of his cronies just as Daley sold the meters at 10 percent of market value. The meter buyers and along with Skyway investors are rolling in the cash for years now. They got all their money invested back in a few years.

State government have not even started on the tax payer yet.

7/07/2016 05:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now aren't you glad you voted Democrat (Communist)?

7/07/2016 05:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Democrats have seen this coming for decades, but they just keep stealing. They cannot help themselves. Why do you think Daley has kept such a low profile? When people see him they should spit on the ground in front of him.

7/07/2016 05:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor.

I hate all of these doom and gloom articles. Chicago is actually booming. Downtown Chicago is the fastest downtown of any city in America. By the end of this year builders will have built about 15,000 luxury apartment units. Are property taxes high? Well yes they are, but any way you cut it, Chicago is one of the world's top tier cities. You do get what you pay for. Don't like Chicago? Then go live in shitty Schiller Park.

Just look around you, new construction is booming outside of downtown and lots of neighborhoods are gentrifying. Right now Humboldt Park is gentrifying and the 606 trail is a positive net benefit. A lot of new luxury rentals going up near the 606 trail and a lot of new house construction. People are moving in to cities. Because city property prices are going up faster. A lot of people with a lot of money are moving in to the city. Look at all of the young people moving in to this vibrant city.

Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that.

7/07/2016 05:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miriam Santos tried to protect our pensions from Daley's theiving hands and went to jail for it

7/07/2016 05:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First time in my life I'm hearing die hard Chicagoans saying that it's time to go. And why not? Chicago has become a shit hole of crime, terror and decay. It's depressing to watch.

7/07/2016 05:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like I'll be looking for homes under $250,000
I believe everything over that got whacked.

7/07/2016 05:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All that's going to be left are the rich and poor. Middle class gone. I'm gone ASAP, family gone sooner.

7/07/2016 05:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Death spiral is exactly right. If only Rahm and Mr. Lucas could have carried the argument we could "invested" in the Lucas Museum on the lake shore. It would have created all kinds of economic development and educational opportunities for minorty children. Poor decisions by the electorate and the resulting leadership has created this climate and to escape it, moving to Napeville from Streeterville is not the answer. Toni and Rahm are not going to lead us to the prosperity of the promised land. Move to Indiana where Chicago liberals think the people are hicks but the people know their state is better lead and managed.

When the national news media has noticed the crime rate of any city as they have for our city, the death spiral has been certified and you can get ready for failing government and the exit of the most productive of the social and business community until you have....Detroit and Baltimore as just two examples. Stay safe and remember self preservation
is the primary objective.

7/07/2016 06:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BOHICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/07/2016 06:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So it's our fault??????

7/07/2016 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nah the city is on same flight path as famed Malaysian concentric bird ... It flew in ever tightening circles until it disappeared up it's own asshole ... Its now extinct

7/07/2016 06:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to cut the TIF fund BS and return the money to the general fund which would probably balance the budget.

7/07/2016 06:40:00 AM  
Blogger sean donnellan said...

1/2 of the wing in my condo in Logan Sq has already decided to sell and move. We're moving at the end of August making it 3/4. Done. Living in the city is fiscally irresponsible.

7/07/2016 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only we cannot leave

7/07/2016 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Countdown clock is almost at 3 years. Not sure if I can last that long though. When it hits zero, bye-bye Shitcago, bye-bye Crook County, adios Pillinois!!

7/07/2016 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't care about my higher taxes. I will still vote Democratic even though The Daleys bankrupted our city. Oh wait, I secretly live outside the city, Disregard.

7/07/2016 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's time to pay Chicago! Over 100 years worth of voting for Democraps is expensive. Who in their right mind would want to live in Crook County/Chicago now?

7/07/2016 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired and tried to stay in the city. I'm near Midway and travel to Tex and Arizona and find leaving near an air port is convenient. However, looking at that tax bill and seeing how the City is changing for the worse just in the last few years, I'm getting out of Dodge people. Haven't made a decision on were to go, but I'm leaving the County and City and that's for sure.

7/07/2016 07:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's the only thing that these politicians know, TAX
They don't know how to cut the bs fluff out of budgets.
How about CPS reassess all the bs contracts that they have with various venders.
Whole lot of waste there, and a lot of political connections.

Same for the city, county and state.
Cut the fluff that is not needed out of the budgets.

There will be a taxpayer revolt soon enough.

7/07/2016 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can you say bankrupt??

7/07/2016 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait for it, wait for it.....the CTU says its teachers have given up enough and now they don't want to pay the full 9% of their OWN pensions.

A teacher strike in 2016 would be the dumbest move in Chicago since the meter deal.

7/07/2016 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to pay the piper. The can has finally run out of road to be kicked down.

7/07/2016 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait until they see their ObamaCare increases this year!

7/07/2016 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well done! At least somebody is talking about this! The lame-stream media has their head in the sand. While I hate to see anyone unemployed, why no layoffs within the ranks of Chicago employees? Wonder how the money is wasted? Check out the blonde in tight jeans and a safety vest holding a "SLOW" & "STOP" sign at a city construction project. I guarantee she's pulling down at least $70,000 a year!

7/07/2016 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone is a city employee, makes a good income, but happens to live in a neighborhood whose housing is valued under $250, 000 - shouldn't City Hall know that those individuals have a great salary and can pay more?

7/07/2016 08:04:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

People like Rahm don't give a rat's ass about what we think.

7/07/2016 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Dump all these alderman said...

WE do not need 50 alderman! Check out the pay and perks they get! Politics as usual they will never get rid of em!

7/07/2016 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

My wife and I are talking of selling our house and renting. We believe the housing market is going to crash again in Chicago. All by the fault of Chicago politicians and stealing. We want to get out of here before the bottom falls out. We are hoping things will hold up for seven more years and we are gone.

7/07/2016 12:17:00 AM

My wife and I actually did this two months ago. We actually got some money for our home and are now renting. In four years we both retire and take the money we made from the house and invested and move as far away from this state as possible. I never thought I'd be a renter again but not getting that HUGE property tax bill is a relief. We know our rent will increase over the next four years but in no way commensurate with the property tax increases these crazy politicians put on us. As usual, it's folks like all of us who worked hard, bought homes, maintained them and supported the City who are getting it stuck in our ear. Enough is enough.

7/07/2016 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm going to Costa Rica next year. My property taxes: $600/year. BCBS insurance will be $4,000 for myself and wife and 5 year old. Amount of terrorism down there: none.

7/07/2016 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have a very much flawed legal system, Daley should have been put in jail a long time ago. He faked his stroke so he didn't have to testify and then when he did he said he didn't remember. RAHM is a sneak, he let Uber whom his brother has big investments in operate freely in Chicago screwing the ta,I cabs royal. I spent 40 yrs on the job and have a decent pension but pay 20 per cent for health care and now this big tax increase.

7/07/2016 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor.

I hate all of these doom and gloom articles. Chicago is actually booming. Downtown Chicago is the fastest downtown of any city in America. By the end of this year builders will have built about 15,000 luxury apartment units. Are property taxes high? Well yes they are, but any way you cut it, Chicago is one of the world's top tier cities. You do get what you pay for. Don't like Chicago? Then go live in shitty Schiller Park.

Just look around you, new construction is booming outside of downtown and lots of neighborhoods are gentrifying. Right now Humboldt Park is gentrifying and the 606 trail is a positive net benefit. A lot of new luxury rentals going up near the 606 trail and a lot of new house construction. People are moving in to cities. Because city property prices are going up faster. A lot of people with a lot of money are moving in to the city. Look at all of the young people moving in to this vibrant city.

Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that.

7/07/2016 05:34:00 AM

You're full of shit. You posted the same comment, verbatim, in a post a week ago.

7/07/2016 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, the tax raise sucks. It would be a lot easier to swallow if we actually had good police manpower, good public schools, low crime, clean parks, pothole free streets, ETC... But, we don't. So, wtf are we paying for? I can't wait to see how much of this tax increase actually goes to the pensions.

7/07/2016 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

channel 7 once again describes two white police officers shoot an armed convicted felon that threatened a person leaving the store , convicted felon not only armed , but selling cd's . convicted felon refused verbal commands , resisted arrest.
same channel describes two young men in custody for strong armed robbery near state and Delaware where the two black , was victim white

7/07/2016 09:03:00 AM  
Blogger dc.sunsets said...

Chicago property taxes are LOWER than mine out in Winnebago County (which has a higher violent crime rate than Cook, I might add.)

Illinois politics is a cesspool of corruption, and Crook Co & Chicago are the epicenter of the graft.

Maybe if Chicago voters were a little less corrupt themselves they might stop reelecting crime bosses like Madigan.

IL is well on it's way to becoming a state-sized Detroit.

7/07/2016 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Death spiral is exactly right. If only Rahm and Mr. Lucas could have carried the argument we could "invested" in the Lucas Museum on the lake shore..........................blah blah blah


What the fuck would the Lucas museum have done that the Art Institute doesn't.....I am sure that Lucas would be paying +$15 an hour to hundreds of area kids.....doing what, cleaning rooms??????????????? Keep drinking the grape.

7/07/2016 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger fedup said...

Interesting sidenote: I acquired one of the large lots for a dollar in 2014. I have been BEGGING the county ever since to send me a tax bill and they have yet to do it. I was informed yesterday that the first bill won't come until February 2017. There are 100's of lots that were sold off for nothing in order to generate tax revenue and they have yet to bill anyone... WTF?!

7/07/2016 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Nah the city is on same flight path as famed Malaysian concentric bird ... It flew in ever tightening circles until it disappeared up it's own asshole ... Its now extinct

7/07/2016 06:35:00 AM

We like the oral tradition of the perpetually
enraged, never got over childhood slights,
wants revenge against everybody that
isn't him, North Shore Sissy-Weasel mayor
chasing his own asshole in an ever tightening
and vicious spiral...

>GRR! Snap! Bite!<

What happens to Chicago
when he finally catches it,
bites it/disappears into it
taking the entirety of the
municipal treasury with him?

Rahm was the cleaner sent here
to run the statute of limitations
clock for Daley.

Everybody involved knew the city owed the
Police and Fire pensions.

Problem was that they just flat out
didn't want to be bothered with
paying simply because Policemen
and Firemen aren't expected to take
the monies owed out of the asses of
the dirty cocksuckers who stole.

"Heh! Too bad you guys are so nice
and play by the condition of employment
rules we put in place to keep you from
fighting US back..."

Expect a concerted media push of
investigative reports about why
(Coppers especially) "You guys get
to retire in your 50's with cush &100K
pensions that are bankrupting the city."

Then Rahm chirps cheerfully about
"Saving The Cops Pension and guaranteeing
them 1.5 times the Federal Poverty level in
payments," which comes to @ $17.5k a year.

The average Police pension is what now?
Mid $40k to low $50k?

The pension outliers are the clouted
and taken care of Gold Stars who are
pulling in obscene six figure pensions.
Some of whom are on the tax-payer
tit as civilian commissioners, deputy
commissioners, directors and so on...

So if you're a really special clouted
lick-hitter, you can pull over a quarter million
dollars a year in exempt police pension plus
a six figure post retirement job in municipal
government because of you alleged
"expertise" in running thangs...

>Fart!<

Maddening.
Frustrating.

And heartbreaking because the retired blue suit
who did it honorably for 20 to 40 years
now has a target on his back because the
narrative has been so artfully crafted
to make it seem as if he's somehow
getting away with something undeserved.

"It's OVER for you guys!
The taxpayers aren't going
to stand for you soaking them
anymore."

Yeah...
Somebody pointed out that
Ceasefire has picked up more
funding.

Priorities.
Right?

7/07/2016 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So why is it you live I. They city now. Oh that's right a "good paying job." You don't think there are thousands waiting inline for good paying jobs? What we have to stop is the corruption. And the democrats from giving the store away. All this free stuff is costing me a fortune! We need to vote out these lifetime politicians. They're making millions from public service. Emanuel, Madigan, Cullerton Burke Oconnor Laurino. Sure you might know the families of some of these people but they are the reason the city county and state can't afford to pay their bills. He'll they've been in control (except Emanuel) for decades. If it's not their fault the s who's fault exactly is it? If they were in private business they'd be bankrupt. But not when you have new tax money rolling in every year, not enough? Let's create some new revenues, speed cameras, red light cameras, soft drink tax, amusement tax, hotel tax, gasoline tax cigarette tax. Look up what you pay in tax on a gallon of gas in Chicago. It's like 50% tax. Chicago has so much to offer people will continue to move here. Big business is here colleges are here. Lake Michigan, California is drying up by the way. They want to pump Great Lake water out there and they have the money to do it.
The cost of living however can really skyrocket quickly. Look at New York. Most people can't afford to live in the nicer areas.

7/07/2016 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

City Residents don't like it when they have to pay more, but it's OK when the rest of the States residents have to constantly pay more because of the City Residents, who eat up the majority of Illinois Tax Dollars. Tough shit City residents, Embrace the Suck. You constantly vote these Democrat Communists in to get your free ride, so now deal with it.

7/07/2016 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep voting for these thief's.
Demorats f everything up and the Republicans have to fix it and always look the bad guy.

7/07/2016 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that."


Because that's what they do, and all city workers do, is bitch and complain because they have little to no frame of reference of what non city workers or suburbanites pay.

They could win the lottery, and they'd bitch about the taxes they'd pay on it, instead of the huge windfall setting up their future generations.

Boo fucking hoo.

7/07/2016 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

llennials as they are called are falling over themselves to move here. Look at Ukrainian village, Buck town south loop West loop, Lincoln Park. The city is becoming gentrified. Major companies are moving their headquarters here. City is on the upswing like it or not.


LOL, In your Dreams. Maybe some Millennial Pinheads are moving in, but on the whole a vast majority of Taxpayers are leaving Illinois in droves. Your higher taxes are only beginning

7/07/2016 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ymous said...
I am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor.

I hate all of these doom and gloom articles. Chicago is actually booming. Downtown Chicago is the fastest downtown of any city in America. By the end of this year builders will have built about 15,000 luxury apartment units. Are property taxes high? Well yes they are, but any way you cut it, Chicago is one of the world's top tier cities. You do get what you pay for. Don't like Chicago? Then go live in shitty Schiller Park.

Just look around you, new construction is booming outside of downtown and lots of neighborhoods are gentrifying. Right now Humboldt Park is gentrifying and the 606 trail is a positive net benefit. A lot of new luxury rentals going up near the 606 trail and a lot of new house construction. People are moving in to cities. Because city property prices are going up faster. A lot of people with a lot of money are moving in to the city. Look at all of the young people moving in to this vibrant city.

Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that.

7/07/2016 05:34:00 AM

Bullshit. As a Realtor, you are just trying to encourage prospective buyers to buy in the Rathole City of Chicago, so you can make money, instead of being truthful and admitting that Chicago is a cesspool of crime drugs and gangs, along with numerous Sanctuary City related crime and other problems, and people are fleeing Chiraq in droves and it's proven by Census, so Fuck You, pandering Liar.

7/07/2016 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Millennials as they are called are falling over themselves to move here. Look at Ukrainian village, Buck town south loop West loop, Lincoln Park. The city is becoming gentrified. Major companies are moving their headquarters here. City is on the upswing like it or not.

Major companies are not moving here. That is b.s. Keep drinking that koolaid.

I take it you are in the real estate industry.....




7/07/2016 12:57:00 AM

7/07/2016 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Looks like I'll be looking for homes under $250,000
I believe everything over that got whacked.
7/07/2016 05:51:00 AM

My home is valued under $250,000. Way under. I got a $900 increase in my tax bill.

They lied to you.

7/07/2016 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor. I hate all of these doom and gloom articles."

Well of course you do. The Truth Makes It Harder To Peddle Your Shit. And if you were a used car dealer you'd be selling an old Ford Pinto and telling people it was a Benz.

You're no different than Rahm, Daley and most other Democrat politicians. TTMIHTPYS. Which is how we got into this fine mess. How about you go sell Rahm a two-flat with a penthouse, asshole?

7/07/2016 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love it scavenger sale will get better and better. Than I can rent to all you guys.

7/07/2016 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gloom and Doom nonsense! Look at New York City, San Francisco San Jose California. They tax the hell out of their residents and the cities are booming. Yuppies flock to these cities for employment and housing values are rising every year. Chicago is not Detroit.

7/07/2016 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Millennials as they are called are falling over themselves to move here."

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Millennials don't know jack shit. Remember, these are the people so wrapped up in their personal electronics that they walk off the edge of subway platforms.

If you want to blindly follow a Millennial over the cliff, be my guest.

7/07/2016 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you hear that sound, Mr. Mayor? It is the sound of your political death. It is the sound of inevitability. Goodbye, Mr. Mayor.

Who is John Galt?

7/07/2016 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired CPD. Live in Beverly. My taxes went up 18%.

7/07/2016 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

"Outside the assessor's office, city homeowners told one property tax horror story after another."

...and renters just don't exist.

The last time I could check, $120 of our $600/month rent was property tax. Probably pay more tax per square foot than homeowners do in some cases, but we are just cattle.

Gun control "debate" -- remember one guy standing on the front porch of his home, pointing across the street at "those people over there" in a perfectly quiet, well-run apartment building. "They should go through all those God-damned apartments and take all the guns. That's what they should do." Like UN troops from Malawi or somewhere aren't going to be turning HIS place upside down when Hillary gets elected.

Live somewhere for twenty years and never get invited to join any "associations" or "improvement clubs," never get invited to a block party...it's just the whole attitude.

That "raise the rents and bring in the wrecking ball" philosophy can backfire, huh? A lot of homeowners got foreclosed during the last cycle, had to sell short, had to move in with relatives or become renters themselves. Some people outlive their savings, too. Then what?

Then the rental landlord pockets the rents instead of applying them to the building's mortgage, and just leaves. Then the sheriff is at the tenants' doors.

Then they lose their names, their very identities, and become simply "some homeless guy." The City of Chicago, at last count, has THIRTEEN "agencies" and "special study panels" collecting fat salaries to "help the homeless." They mostly seem to shorten bus stop benches and nail cleats across them so no one can lay down.

...at a time when the state is entering its second year without a budget, and Lutheran Social Services alone has laid off half its workforce -- 720 people -- and closed down many "programs" -- with many more to fall.

...and now, these suffocating, unbelievable five-fold tax increases.

So another solid 62 acres of "townhomes" are slated as various sheisters and felons battle over the financing, huh? So the richest man in China is putting up another 100 stories of luxury condominiums.

Here, a prescient vision of Rahm's Chicago --

https://tinyurl.com/hgfs4bo

It is reaching out for all of us.

7/07/2016 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor.

I hate all of these doom and gloom articles. Chicago is actually booming. Downtown Chicago is the fastest downtown of any city in America. By the end of this year builders will have built about 15,000 luxury apartment units. Are property taxes high? Well yes they are, but any way you cut it, Chicago is one of the world's top tier cities. You do get what you pay for. Don't like Chicago? Then go live in shitty Schiller Park.

Just look around you, new construction is booming outside of downtown and lots of neighborhoods are gentrifying. Right now Humboldt Park is gentrifying and the 606 trail is a positive net benefit. A lot of new luxury rentals going up near the 606 trail and a lot of new house construction. People are moving in to cities. Because city property prices are going up faster. A lot of people with a lot of money are moving in to the city. Look at all of the young people moving in to this vibrant city.

Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that.

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THANK YOU! I hate these morons on here who don't get out of their cop neighborhoods. Chicago is fucking booming! Not only that it is CHEAPER than other cities when it comes to home prices!

7/07/2016 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that.

7/07/2016 05:34:00 AM

Nobody's rooting for the city to go down. And, you're right. Idiots will move in and pay big bucks, but the great divide between the haves and have-nots will increase and the real problems will still not be addressed.

I happen to own vacant property near the 606. The tax bill nearly doubled on it. The property is now worth four times what it was worth three years ago. That's great for me. But it isn't so great for the blue collar middle class families nearby. They don't want to leave, but they can't afford the tax bills and the new crime the 606 has brought to them. There are other ways a city can go down besides real estate values, so try to look at the bigger picture.

7/07/2016 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are they saying this is a payoff to rahm?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-chicago-hotel-campaign-donations-20160706-story.html

Chicago "pay to play" maybe!

7/07/2016 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at tax bills for Skokie, Morton Grove, Niles, Harwood and Norridge--suburbs of that type. Similar type housing stock, double that of Norwood, Edison. Ours pale in comparison and they get socked with "user fees" right and left

Houses in my area (Norwood Park) fly off the market. My very elderly neighbor sold hers for more than asking price in 3 hours. Nothing wrong with housing or the prices outside of the ghetto.

Does it suck? Yes, but the citizens of Chicago, Cook County and Illinois all got a pension pass and now it's time. That's the message that the FOP needs to get out that message

7/07/2016 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Miriam Santos tried to protect our pensions from Daley's thieving hands and went to jail for it

7/07/2016 05:46:00 AM


Daley sensed Miriam would run against him. She didn't do anything that all the rest of them didn't do. I worked the beat she lived on. I recall her telling us she was watching the pension, it was 77% funded at the time. Then Daley screwed her. Now the pension is barely 30%, thanks to Rahm's "predecessor." They don't even have the guts to blame him by name for his incompetence.

7/07/2016 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Taxpayers DID NOT pay for my pension for the last twenty years when little or no money went into the funds. And now they are MAD? Be mad at the politicians and not at the first responders. We paid fully into our pensions. Taxpayers got a free ride for a long time, But now, the chickens have come home to roost. No sympathy from this retiree

I think you got that backwards Sparky. Taxpayers did pay for your pensions. Politiciians are the ones that didnt put it in your account.

7/07/2016 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Rob Crawford said...

"Chicago is one of the world's top tier cities"

Doesn't say much good about cities in general, does it?

7/07/2016 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mine went down. (hit the magic 65)

7/07/2016 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the copper realtor above ,you are a bkind shyster. Extend your view into the west and southsides, its a Mad max wasteland of forclosed abandoned homes and joblessness. So lofts get built out of manufacturing facilities that died under the boot of socialist democrat rule , so what? You cant raise a labrador there nuch less kids . You stay, you keep shysting , we want residency .

7/07/2016 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good-big government comes with a high price/taxes. Property owner's have to expect to pay for government services, police, fire and good schools.

We pay dearly for it and don't get any of it actually delivered. The schools are just part time prisons and the services are shit. Frankly, I'd rather just stop paying for any of it and do for myself.

7/07/2016 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Run to your favorite Red State

7/07/2016 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

U really get nailed if u got new construction or put in an addition.

7/07/2016 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These folks crow about high taxes?
Underserved and not getting value for the tax dollar?
The same folks who allowed urban decay by ignoring the violence and harping that the thugs have taken over the neighborhoods, all the while bashing the police at every chance?

Indeed, I do not understand the culture.

7/07/2016 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait and see if Hillary wins. More socialistic Section 8 and she will further decimate police departments and morale. It's depressing that we are in a society of naive and uninformed ignorant people. Everyone complains but watch the same people vote Rahm back in. End of days may be on the horizon unfortunately.

7/07/2016 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people try to pin this on the paid of teachers,police and firemen but the truth is politician are thieves and they taking of the welfare patronage army with freebies.

7/07/2016 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cut alderman in half and make it a full time job.

7/07/2016 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taxpayers DID NOT pay for my pension for the last twenty years when little or no money went into the funds. And now they are MAD? Be mad at the politicians and not at the first responders. We paid fully into our pensions. Taxpayers got a free ride for a long time, But now, the chickens have come home to roost. No sympathy from this retiree.
7/07/2016 01:46:00 AM

Exactly! I feel the same way. Taxpayers enjoyed many state services for decades where the price remained the same or increased less than they should have, due to the state diverting their share of pension money to keep costs down. No sympathy from another retiree.

7/07/2016 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor.

I hate all of these doom and gloom articles. Chicago is actually booming. Downtown Chicago is the fastest downtown of any city in America. By the end of this year builders will have built about 15,000 luxury apartment units. Are property taxes high? Well yes they are, but any way you cut it, Chicago is one of the world's top tier cities. You do get what you pay for. Don't like Chicago? Then go live in shitty Schiller Park.

Just look around you, new construction is booming outside of downtown and lots of neighborhoods are gentrifying. Right now Humboldt Park is gentrifying and the 606 trail is a positive net benefit. A lot of new luxury rentals going up near the 606 trail and a lot of new house construction. People are moving in to cities. Because city property prices are going up faster. A lot of people with a lot of money are moving in to the city. Look at all of the young people moving in to this vibrant city.

Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

7/07/2016 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"City is on the upswing like it or not."

These are death throes, fella. Put your glasses on. 90 cents out of every dollar in property tax goes to the CTU. The other 10 cents pays for everything else. Even Millenials run out of money after a while. And those corporations can only come here if Rahm promises to give them extremely preferential tax treatment, so they're not going to be footing the bill for you. Last time I looked, money was not growing on trees. Rahm needs those businesses to give the impression that Chicago is not on the ropes, so he can continue the charade.

But it is on the ropes.

Oh, and if you rent, guys, don't pat yourself on the backs too hard: the landlord is going to pass these property tax hikes on to you: you're at the bottom of the food chain. Chances are, he's just a working stiff like you---not a secret multimillionaire with bottomless pockets as you may have been told by the Dems.

It's time to wake up.

7/07/2016 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

T/y for that concentric birdy joke - made my day a BIG lol from it.
Gonna steal it ALOT but will ALWAYS say I got if from a funny copper @ SCC.


And to the copper who's a p/t real estater: Can't disagree on one point - Was down by
18th & Indiana last week first time in south loop in over 20+ years and I was kinda STUNNED at its change from last time there - barren railroad tracks - to almost Lincoln Pk south. Wow.

7/07/2016 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Home owners in Chicago have had it made for years. I have a sister in law that has a house equal to mine out in Will County and she has been paying half in property taxes that I pay.

7/07/2016 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I kissed my tax bill when I opened it. 2500 square feet on an acre of land. I owe the county $1,750.00 for the year. Oh by the way I retired to Arizona where people are nice and shit heads know their place. The Police and Fire Departments are loved here

7/07/2016 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the realtor PO who posted that the housing market is up and new construction is everywhere -- I agree that new expensive housing is going up all over; down my block they just finished a new subdivision of townhouses and condos selling for over 500-600K. I wonder who are all these people buying these houses who can afford not only the sticker price of these houses but the high property taxes that go with them. There will be those who are wealthy enough to live/move here and can absorb the increase in cost of living, however the middle-upper middle class working people cannot maintain a living standard here anymore. I was born and raised here and make a good living but I couldn't afford the same house my parents once owned when they lived here. The real estate market aside, what is troubling is seeing the number of small businesses that have left and numerous empty commercial spaces with "for rent" signs everywhere. Add in the homeless/vagrant population that seems to have multiplied over the last few decades. I remember seeing a few here/there when I was younger, but now there's one on every exit ramp, every major intersection, and whole tent city under each of the lakeshore drive bridges.

7/07/2016 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Serves Chicagoans right. All you have to do is STOP ELECTING FUCKING DEMOCRATS TO OFFICE IN CHICAGO. It's really rather simple; otherwise, keep voting the assholes in and BITCHING about your taxes going up and up and up.
WAKE THE FUCK UP!

7/07/2016 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm loves to blame his predecessor, and Shortshanks definitely was a huge part of the problem, but Rahm hasn't been contributing the proper amount to our pensions ever since he got in office.
So while Shortshanks is definitely worthy of a lot of the blame Rahm is also an integral part of the problem also.

As a CPD officer who must live in the city my property taxes went up sharply also.
While I really don't like that if it means our pensions will start to become much better funded than I'm ok with it. So Rahm: fund our pensions with the extra tax money don't earmark it for something else and kick the pension can down the road again.

7/07/2016 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why in the world coppers root for this city to croak and die is beyond me. Let me make it simple for such meatheads; if the city goes down then you go down with it. Really, I can not make it any more simple than that.

7/07/2016 05:34:00 AM

I have to agree with you. There are bad parts of the city that need to be cleaned up and the city could use more jobs. But, overall, it is still=cheap to live in the city, and convenient. Property taxes have always been way too low to meet the expenses and now are only rising to pay off the debt.

7/07/2016 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of the issues in this county and city are the exorbitant pay and benefits of public employees outside the police and fire department. There are many many employees who do not do the jobs as outlined in their job descriptions and are vastly overpaid for what they do. Patronage is still alive and well in the city. According to the Civic Association and BGA, government employees are paid 30% more then their private sector counterparts. Even teachers in this county are very well paid, much more then in most sectors of the country. Politics are responsible for this as the public sector unions love to pour cash into the pockets of the democratic political class. Employee costs account for 75% of any government budget. Judge Evans has his two daughters as managers of the jury system at the Civic Center. Both are paid 100,000 a year. Not bad. Only an independent study of each and every government job, what they do and what they are paid and if they are actually needed will clean up this cesspool. Preckwinkle promised this when she ran for office the first time and some studies have been done but she will not release the results and no one has pressured her to do so. I wonder why?

7/07/2016 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Millennials as they are called are falling over themselves to move here..."

7/07/2016 12:57:00 AM

Millennials Are Setting New Records—for Living With Their Parents

"More young adults are living with their parents than at any time since 1940, according to new data. And for today’s millennials, it means that more than a third of young women and almost half of young men will have to say a sad goodbye to that dream of the Rachel-and-Monica-loft from Friends.

"...in 2014, the number of young women living with their parents eclipsed 1940s—albeit by less than a percentage point. And last year 43% of young men were living at home, which is the highest rate since 1940.

"In 1940, 62% of young women were married; in 2013, it was 13%."

http://time.com/4108515/millennials-live-at-home-parents/

7/07/2016 01:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truly upward mobile will be able to leave the state.

But, most will not leave here to move to a shitty suburb to pay the same freight.

Decent suburbs are now cost prohibitive for all but the wealthy.

7/07/2016 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


OT:

Obama says every American should be troubled about the recent police shootings...

If that is not enough for you go getters to WAKE THE F&@K UP, then don't be whining when you are the next sacrificial lamb.

Un-effing-believable!!!

7/07/2016 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Start charging all churches for city services
end the free services for all illegals
end 3 men on the garbage trucks , light bulb changers and the other crews are worse forestry driver sits in truck all day , reads , sleeps
end all assistant commissioners , middle management
hire triple A motor club fr service to police , fire , city vehicles jump starting a car , changing a headlight that guy is making $115,000 a year really
another deputy mayor lot of waste in city of chiraqi

7/07/2016 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"1/2 of the wing in my condo in Logan Sq has already decided to sell and move. We're moving at the end of August making it 3/4."

7/07/2016 06:54:00 AM

Remember back during the last boom/bust, up-and coming young couple decided to have a huge house built out in Barrington or someplace, put down "pre-construction deposit," everything.

He had an expensive condo in Chicago. She had her own expensive condo in Chicago.

No worries. You should have heard him. "Well, things have, uh, slowed down a bit, but we have enough to carry us for the next two months. I'm confident that both of our units will be sold by then. Surely it must be so."

"Done," you say? With these tax increases, I'd be leaning more towards "Pray."

We have been repeatedly told that the plan is to rent out the surplus of overbuilt and unsalable condos, then later to toss out the renters and list the units again once gold is discovered under Chicago. Problem is that so many of these condos are large and "luxury-appointed" enough that people can't afford them as rentals, either.

7/07/2016 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm moving out of this crooked state, the day after I retire!

Living in Illinois, in retirement, is just plain stupid!

7/07/2016 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is the Keesing Bandit going to sell his pretty loft?

7/07/2016 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""Daley will go to hell and his late father is turning in his grave knowing his son doomed this once great city.""

What makes you think his father gave a shit? Or would give a shit?

7/07/2016 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if one is within ten years of retirement the best bet is to sell out while you can and rent for now. it is just a matter of time until the artificial property boom collapses on itself. let someone else take the hit.

best bet is to stay out of single family residences. apartment complexes may be a less desirable place to be for one's preferred lifestyle but they are easier to leave.

it is also a good time to seriously consider getting rid of the junk you have accumulated over the years. you need to be more able to move around if you have to.

there is no telling what area of the city will collapse and what areas may ride it through.

7/07/2016 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Major Blockrounder said...


Richie almost bankrupted the city with his sweetheart deals for friends and family.

He was a public servant his entire adult life, like his father. Yet he retired as a multi millionaire.

How does that happen?

Our pensions suffered.

The taxpayers suffer now.

We have less cops and more murders.

Yet he still walks around town like the boy king. He smiles as he passes his former subjects.

If he goes to an event there are a thousand people who stand and cheer his introduction.

Who's the a--hole?

Every Daley voter for generations.

7/07/2016 03:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sold my home in Chicago as soon as I put in for retirement. You people got raised almost as much as I am paying now...Not to add salt to the wound, but my taxes went down last year...without having to challenge the assessment.

Chicago is in a bad cycle of driving out businesses, and the middle class. Even the indigent are moving to higher ground...Add Cook County's sales tax, and the cost of a soda drink downtown and you have the formula. As a citizenry you are not getting the services you once had. Police, sanitation, snow removal, road repairs. Everything that can be cut has been cut, and there are more cuts coming. And more raises ahead. If you ever leave the city you will see it clearly. Get your family together on leaving, and do so quickly...I went to get a cup of coffee, and there was no homeless person outside begging...

To those who have eyes and ears...GET OUT!!!!

7/07/2016 03:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Politicians are the sole reason for all the problems in Chicago and Illinois. The same people have been running it for 40 plus years. The scary part is the same politicians will continue to run it so I don't forsee it getting better. Lot better chance of it getting worse if that's possible. These terrible politicians only have to fear the voters but they know no matter what they do the foolish voters will reelect them. So the downward spiral continues

7/07/2016 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes all this new housing with a percentage that must be low income. Oh joy

7/07/2016 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"1/2 of the wing in my condo in Logan Sq has already decided to sell and move. We're moving at the end of August making it 3/4. Done. Living in the city is fiscally irresponsible."

Will the 1/4 left behind be a breast or thigh?

7/07/2016 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

when u live in a social fascist utopia like Chicongo, u gotta pay up unless you are a federal/state/county employee of the welfare/benefits/cash-and-in-kind type. In the latter case you just wish them taxes had gone up 10 fold, like they would've in a decent society that cares about Social Justice.

Since, there are way more who "receive" social fascist 'benefits" than there are those chumps who pay for them, this is an electoral yawn at worst, a huge get out the social fascist vote tactic at best

They have a total strangle-hold on you all, now & there's no more getting rid of them than there was any chance of getting rid of Alien once it'd latched on :) & you been latched on till u be dead. Nothing you can do: in Chicongo, the Dead will always out-vote the taxpayers

7/07/2016 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger El Capitan said...

"what happens in a few years when the politicians reassess and find even fewer citizens (and businesses) to tax"??

Some politician will try to reinstitute serfdom, binding the peons to the land.
Oh, they won't try to restrict movement, but some bright bulb will come up with a system where you'll need a City permit to sell an plot of real estate inside the City.

Naturally, the permits will be almost impossible to acquire, unless you've got the right connections, or can afford the baksheesh.

After all, if you can't sell your most valuable asset, will you risk walking away from the City without the cash from the sale, or will you stay and muddle through somehow?

7/07/2016 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Ostrich with his head stuck in the sand...And you said this city was booming? Maybe in the west and south sides the "urban Terrorists" have gotten hold of a bazooka. The public schools are a shame...Kids cant even use computers because they cant spell. Can write by hand, so they cant fill out a job application at McDonalds. Chicago's public school youth are the dumbest ignoramus's produced by far!!! Many high school grads can not even read.(fact) And these hordes of youth's will never work and pay taxes. And they are going to throw more money at the problem at the expense of the homeowner...Water cost have risen 300 percent in the last three years. Utilities are going to ask for more as well.
Only downtown is vibrant because there is money. Tell me how your vision of Chicago is again...Booming you say? We haven't had a balanced budget since Daley sold the parking meters to the Aussies. Only 70 more years on that contract....Keep voting for the same Democrats...it's working soooooo well.

7/07/2016 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AND Dont forget the houses in Gary Indiana are selling for a GRAND TOTAL OF ONE U.S. Dollar $1.00 ,

7/07/2016 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is happening is what is intended to happen. Chicago may be booming but it is the booming of a city losing its middle class quickly. They want only the rich or poor. The Poor they can control by free stuff. The rich will control the government with money as always. 'Booming' is not the word u think it is.

7/07/2016 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ha Ha from Palatine!

7/07/2016 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a building. Yesterday I told my tenants the rent was going up. I just passed the bill onto them and tonight I'll sleep like a baby. To think I thought my parents were crazy for telling me to buy a building instead of a condo. They pay for your property. You don't like them, kick'em out and get new ones.

7/07/2016 05:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey the ComradinChief, is on TV right now , lecturing us again to, that white
cops don't give a shit 4 people of color, already figuring out what happen B 4
any facts come out. Starting the whole race card again, 4 which he is good at!

7/07/2016 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just watched fox world news and barry obama addressed the last 2 police involved shootings and again before it was investigated the race card was inserted! Nothing like waving that flame near the wick of explosives! He needs to be more "presidential" and wait before opening his mouth the facts we know are, police stopped 1 person in each incident both offenders were armed loaded weapons, police defended themselves so far that is the facts everything else is propaganda for the hate the police media and black lies matter crew! Cue the prom pictures, the marches, the violence the uncivilized behavior!

Where are the black lies matter crew in Chicago when the killings and shootings of black people is a daily occurrence no protests no violence to help stop the violence!

What needs to be uncovered is the 2 shot lets see their criminal history? were they going to be brain surgeons like the rest?

7/07/2016 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Major companies are moving their headquarters here. City is on the upswing like it or not."

The problem is these major companies are moving from the burbs to the city. No business is coming from out of state. And there are in state business (e.g. Catepillar) that are moving out of state. The does not help the state financial situation and it making it worse with the out of state moves.

As far as young people in the city, there are certain parts of the city growing (e.g. near west side) but other parts of the city are losing population at a faster rate. And the property tax hikes are just beginning. It's like a pyramid scheme...at some point is the last suckers to buy who will be screwed.

The state is about $200-$300 billion in debt and unfunded liabilities. In reality, Illinois is closer to $600-$800 billion in debt is the pension funds used something closer to actual investment rates of returns (i.e. 2% instead of 7%). These tax increases are nothing, the worst pain is yet to come.

7/07/2016 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor. "

That explains the bogus optimism that goes against the jobs and population stats....and Case-Schiller home price statistics. Chicago at the bottom of growth. Realtors are the same as used car salesman.

7/07/2016 06:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was in a earlier thread and I think its important. The City cry's poor but gives away assets?

It's OK SCC, the city is flush with money. They must be since they were able to sell the old 12th dist station to the Chicago children's theater for a whole dollar! Yes ONE dollar when they can't fund our pensions and have to raise taxes. It's all legit.

7/07/2016 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

watch cnn anyone who dose anything is nuts.

7/07/2016 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taxpayers DID NOT pay for my pension for the last twenty years when little or no money went into the funds. And now they are MAD? Be mad at the politicians and not at the first responders. We paid fully into our pensions. Taxpayers got a free ride for a long time, But now, the chickens have come home to roost. No sympathy from this retiree.
7/07/2016 01:46:00 AM

Exactly! I feel the same way. Taxpayers enjoyed many state services for decades where the price remained the same or increased less than they should have, due to the state diverting their share of pension money to keep costs down. No sympathy from another retiree.

LOL. You may want to improve your talking points. Telling taxpayers that they "enjoyed" state services is a pretty piss poor argument Try again and stuff your sympathy.

7/07/2016 06:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And again Obummer and his media laments over the make believe contrived systematic racism that keeps blacks down. Maybe they should put a mirror on that teleprompter so he can see the real cause of racism in today's culture.

7/07/2016 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stay fetal
get ot two tickets a month
one vehicle impoundment
one misdemeanor arrest
write a few parkers for city vehicle license violations so city has cash to pay my salary , 59 years old , 33 years on the job and will stay until mandatory retirement , I hope they raise it to 66
work days , take most holidays off , split furlo , use every bfd , p day , few days on medical a year
not bad making over $110,000 a year thank you fop
big money in deferred comp

7/07/2016 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Realtors, the Used Car Salesmen of the New Millenium. Scammers and Shysters, just like their Lawyer pals.

7/07/2016 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of upset taxpayers, check out what residents of the 12th District -- "RAP12" -- are up to:

https://www.change.org/p/walter-burnett-restore-adequate-police-to-12-rap12?recruiter=568132001&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

Look what they are asking for. Someone knows what the hell they are doing -- asking for free health care to officers with 58 and 20 to stop "mass exodus in the next year giving CPD time to train new officers to take their place." Everyone of us needs to sign this.
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The 12th District/Near West has long since passed a point where our officers and command staff can do more with less. Our safety, and that of officers, is at great risk.

As citizens who have seen their property tax bills increase by 25-50 percent, or renters who are feeling that increase via raised rents, we demand to get our fair share of police services before the increases in our crime rates match that which we’ve seen on our tax bills.

To begin to restore a proper police presence in the 12th District/Near West, we respectfully request that our Aldermen work with the Mayor and Supt Eddie Johnson to do the following:

• Add a net of 25 officers to the 12th District/Near West by December 31, 2016 for a total of 354 officers;

• Add another 25 by June 30, 2017 for a total of 404 officers, which will return the District to the August 16, 2014 level (per a July 28, 2014 FOIA request);

• To temporarily boost the number of officers on the street during peak crime hours, offer 12th District officers the opportunity to work overtime on 1st Watch on Saturday and Sunday and 3rd Watch on Friday and Saturday;

• Return all officers currently detailed out of the 12th District/Near West for Summer Mobile and Bike Patrols;

• Stop detailing officers to other districts to cover for special events unless it is on their regular day off; and

• Extend free health benefits for officers citywide that are 55 and have 20 years on the job for an additional three years (age of 58) to encourage veteran officers to stay preventing a mass exodus in the next year giving CPD time to train new officers to take their place.

7/07/2016 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger Geek4Hire said...

Daley got elected time and time again, so did the incompetent alderfools along with Madigan and his stooge Cullerton the one with the son who has 7 DUI offenses but none on record because they get dismissed. I did not vote for any of them their politics never made sense. Not for all of Chicago. There were legit chances to make the entire city better, spread out the opportunities but evidently as in the book BOSS, this was pre ordained to happen. The pot has been boiling, your dinner is now served. Chaos with a sprinkle of racism and doubt. Both sides have been played.

7/07/2016 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DFC.... Distance from Chicago.

7/07/2016 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just look around you, new construction is booming outside of downtown and lots of neighborhoods are gentrifying. Right now Humboldt Park is gentrifying and the 606 trail is a positive net benefit. A lot of new luxury rentals going up near the 606 trail and a lot of new house construction. People are moving in to cities. Because city property prices are going up faster. A lot of people with a lot of money are moving in to the city. Look at all of the young people moving in to this vibrant city.
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I'm looking around me-- I see potholes and pavement buckles everywhere; My alley is flooded (again) from the rainstorm; stop and go lights that aren't timed properly, speed cameras, red light cameras, and, somehow, with health insurance now being mandatory, the county hospital portion of my property tax bill up 400%. What am I missing?

7/07/2016 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Oh, and if you rent, guys, don't pat yourself on the backs too hard: the landlord is going to pass these property tax hikes on to you: you're at the bottom of the food chain. Chances are, he's just a working stiff like you---not a secret multimillionaire with bottomless pockets as you may have been told by the Dems.

Landlords usually tack on double what the tax increase was. They say the tax bill went up double what it did and then cry to you about the tax increase so they increase you rent

7/07/2016 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sold my home in Chicago as soon as I put in for retirement. You people got raised almost as much as I am paying now...Not to add salt to the wound, but my taxes went down last year...without having to challenge the assessment.

Us people aren't as fortunate as you. You are one lucky guy

7/07/2016 08:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Millennials Are Setting New Records—for Living With Their Parents

7/07/2016 01:59:00 PM


Excellent! or they live 4 to an apartment like rats! Then they strut in their hipsters bikes and eat at fancy restaurants. They don't pay property taxes.

7/07/2016 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yup, workers money goes to pay for services for parasites, who proceed to rob, rape and pillage the workers.

7/07/2016 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Add in the homeless/vagrant population that seems to have multiplied over the last few decades. I remember seeing a few here/there when I was younger, but now there's one on every exit ramp, every major intersection, and whole tent city under each of the lakeshore drive bridges."

7/07/2016 01:25:00 PM

I'd say that this is an effect, not a cause. Other cities banking on Dotcom Boom II, like San Francisco, are seeing the same thing.

Houston has still not fully recovered from the Enron collapse.

Kid used to be able to get out of high school here, look at the want ads in the paper, go out and get his first real job at $5.00/hour within a couple of weeks of looking around, and be able to rent his own little place for $120.00/month and still put a little in the bank. I started when I was legally 16 to work in industry and had about $6000 saved in a couple of years.

No more. Jobs are gone, "wrecking ball" and condo conversions came through so we are actually short about 171,000 units of small, modest rental housing here, even the SROs and YMCA/YWCA are largely gone -- and some used to be OK and in safe areas -- and now taxes skyrocket again.

Thus, Mom's basement for the lucky or Tent City for the unlucky, without family/support system.

This will only get worse.

7/07/2016 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm going to continue to rent until I find a job out of this hellhole. I almost bought a year ago, glad I didn't. Out of here as soon as possible.

7/07/2016 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3 Dallas police officers shot in protest march.

Stay safe and fetal folks

7/07/2016 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Napolitano for Mayor, John Farrell Supertendent!!

7/07/2016 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

STAY SAFE OUT THERE

Look at this video from Dallas. Bad time to be a cop

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tpo4Y_aubE&feature=youtu.be

7/07/2016 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP and the Brass better end 99 Units as of 07-July-2016. This should also include Detectives, ET's, and K-9's for officer safety, they better realize there is a war against police going on right now!

7/07/2016 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know who has low property taxes... shiller park, melrose park, robbins, calumet city ect... Know who has higher ones? Elmhurst, Niles, Morton Grove, Park Ridge ect... Hmm Im trying to see the connection.

7/07/2016 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to move !

7/07/2016 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Millennials Are Setting New Records—for Living With Their Parents

7/07/2016 01:59:00 PM


Excellent! or they live 4 to an apartment like rats! Then they strut in their hipsters bikes and eat at fancy restaurants. They don't pay property taxes.

7/07/2016 08:50:00 PM

Oh, they pay property taxes alright. They just don't realize it. I'll be raising rents to cover the increase in my property taxes when the leases come up.

7/08/2016 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Just look around you, new construction is booming outside of downtown and lots of neighborhoods are gentrifying. Right now Humboldt Park is gentrifying and the 606 trail is a positive net benefit. A lot of new luxury rentals going up near the 606 trail and a lot of new house construction. People are moving in to cities. Because city property prices are going up faster. A lot of people with a lot of money are moving in to the city. Look at all of the young people moving in to this vibrant city.
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I'm looking around me-- I see potholes and pavement buckles everywhere; My alley is flooded (again) from the rainstorm; stop and go lights that aren't timed properly, speed cameras, red light cameras, and, somehow, with health insurance now being mandatory, the county hospital portion of my property tax bill up 400%. What am I missing?

7/07/2016 08:27:00 PM
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Second poster, what you're missing is the rose-colored glasses.

7/08/2016 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CPD Union needs to get retirement health benefits for cops who are 52-54 If they have at least 20 years on the job for 3% monthly premium. Bribing then an option to leave

7/08/2016 06:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder how long the sweetheart deals that brought Boeing,Tate&Lyle, ADM and McDonald's to Chicago last?

I am not convinced they are paying the same taxes as business that are all ready here. Remember when they raised the corporate income tax then gave some big corporations based in Chicago million dollar breaks on it so they wouldn't move?


I suspect there will be lots of HQ's for sale when the free ride ends and these high profile outfits are expected to play by the same rules as everyone else.

When it is all said and done I wonder how much it will have cost the city to land Boeing and the others?

7/08/2016 07:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Taxpayers DID NOT pay for my pension for the last twenty years when little or no money went into the funds. And now they are MAD? Be mad at the politicians and not at the first responders. We paid fully into our pensions. Taxpayers got a free ride for a long time, But now, the chickens have come home to roost. No sympathy from this retiree.

7/07/2016 01:46:00 AM
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You people should really learn to look at the facts before you post. All required city contributions to the pension fund have been made for the last 20 years. That is not where the problems with the fund lie. You could look it up, it is on the internet.

7/08/2016 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somebody said that Realtors are as bad as used car salesmen. Not true, they are actually much worse. Used car people at least have to pay high interest on their inventoried vehicles. Realtors merely handle a transaction for an exorbitant fee for someone who is too lazy to do it himself.

7/08/2016 07:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...they live 4 to an apartment like rats!"

7/07/2016 08:50:00 PM

Thanks for the excellent illustration of ignorant, mindless hatred against renters. Plenty of working families had -- and still do have -- Mom, Dad, couple of kids in a small place. Can't afford a house. They manage -- barely, often working extra jobs. Does this make them "rats?"

"They don't pay property taxes."

Now we KNOW you're at the bottom of the mental barrel.

Go run your leaf blower.

7/08/2016 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am a p.o. and a professional realtor. My wife is a full time realtor. "

7/07/2016 05:34:00 AM

"That explains the bogus optimism that goes against the jobs and population stats....and Case-Schiller home price statistics. Chicago at the bottom of growth. Realtors are the same as used car salesmen."

7/07/2016 06:19:00 PM

Precisely. Thank you, Sir or Madam.

These business promotions are regular here. Always the same both-thumbs-up, blow-the-trumpet civic booster routine, always the same assertions. "Hot area! Hot! Hot!" they cry, like some fool who can't find the potholder. Raise the rents, bring in the wrecking ball, out with the poor.

Have you ever noticed that the logo of one of the biggest real estate speculation firms is a colorful balloon, soaring off into the sky filled with its own hot air?

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7/08/2016 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this stuff about the 606 -- a lot of people, affluent and poor, hate it. Glaring lights, people looking in their windows now, more noise from drunks and rowdies, no bathrooms so guess what, inadequate patrols, more crime, and higher rents, like living next to an "attractive nuisance" was a big privilege. Build Buckingham Palace 100 feet away -- does me no good, as I'll never use it.

Like other areas that "have walkability" for people who drive their cars everywhere anyway. For those who don't, bus line was cut back, another eliminated, bank branch, drugstore, lots of other small businesses shut down, as well as local industries that provided employment. Affordable apartment = unaffordable condo. Lots of elaborate new nail-gunned, half-plastic, half fake composite-lumber row houses to walk past as well. From the "vibrant local neighborhood" they claimed to want to bedrooms for the affluent. Oh, yeah, one plan for gleaming five-story luxury condos with high-end boutiques ended up as another strip mall with come-and-go pizza and cell-phone and "nail spa" businesses...after the last economic failure...

Everything can't be a sidewalk cafe' with those Cinzano umbrellas over the tables...how I laugh at the artists' conceptions of a world where it's always a summer afternoon, populated solely by those with unlimited income and unending idle time to stroll around admiring "street art..."

7/08/2016 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Taxpayers DID NOT pay for my pension for the last twenty years when little or no money went into the funds. And now they are MAD? Be mad at the politicians and not at the first responders. We paid fully into our pensions. Taxpayers got a free ride for a long time, But now, the chickens have come home to roost. No sympathy from this retiree.

7/07/2016 01:46:00 AM
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You people should really learn to look at the facts before you post. All required city contributions to the pension fund have been made for the last 20 years. That is not where the problems with the fund lie. You could look it up, it is on the internet.

7/08/2016 07:05:00 AM
OK you work for rahm in the "lying" department show us oh great 1.

7/08/2016 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:

Have you ever noticed that the logo of one of the biggest real estate speculation firms is a colorful balloon, soaring off into the sky filled with its own hot air?

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7/08/2016 10:13:00 AM

The balloon should be replaced by a festively colored colostomy bag that's
about to burst. Hot air isn't the only thing the property sharks are full of.

7/08/2016 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here, 50,000 people lived within a few blocks.

Unimaginable. Must see.

I wonder if this is the "urban density" they're aiming for here, and how much money from the real estate industry goes into "no human being is illegal," open-borders, take-in-the-world's-refugees causes to pump up the population here to this point.

This has been torn down now -- displacing many who could afford nothing else -- but "past is prologue."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139914/A-rare-insight-Kowloon-Walled-City.html

7/09/2016 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So lofts get built out of manufacturing facilities that died under the boot of socialist democrat rule..."

7/07/2016 11:42:00 AM

...and Todd and Muffy occupy space where once hundreds of people worked, made useful things, created wealth.

The last time I saw the old Florsheim Shoe factory on Belmont, it was entirely full of those "Banker's Boxes" of stored records that probably no one will ever look at again...quitting time, and not ONE PERSON comes out to catch the bus home...

So enjoy your $200 sneakers that cost $2.98 to make in Indonesia, and don't worry, be happy.

Biggest condo loft failure I've seen so far was the totally-unsuited factory building just west of Ferarra Pan Candy. If the remains -- which have been finally been fenced off and condemned by the town -- are still standing, I hope the wind collapses that north wall away from the railroad tracks and the Ike. The masonry was propped up from the inside with 2 x 4s last time I looked. It's like they were trying to re-build the entire huge place, one brick at a time. Just hopeless. Corners of the building missing, but they were putting in really expensive triple-thermopane windows that were smashed by the next week, over and over again. Can't remember the name right now -- have loads of pictures -- but they used to make pianos, cedar chests, even the "Fisher Space Pen" in there.

When they tear down the "sales office" trailer and disappear, you know that's it. Seen a bunch of these; the big former Panasonic Industrial Electronics building on Grand in Franklin Park also has smashed windows, water damage, collapsing ceilings. Was touted as some kind of Super Data Center, coming any day now...until the sales office disappeared too...

7/09/2016 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

18%.

7/07/2016 10:33:00 AM

Been looking to buy a house in Beverly . Saw how outrageous the housing prices are there and pretty much elsewhere lately. Decided to wait until this bubble pops again. At least until the prices start to adjust for the property tax increase. Also hoping for interest rates to rise, price of houses then must go down to afford the monthly mortgage. Now is not a good time to buy. Only sell.

7/09/2016 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You people should really learn to look at the facts before you post. All required city contributions to the pension fund have been made for the last 20 years. That is not where the problems with the fund lie. You could look it up, it is on the internet.

7/08/2016 07:05:00 AM
OK you work for rahm in the "lying" department show us oh great 1.

7/08/2016 04:32:00 PM
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OK, assuming that you can actually read, here it is:
http://www.chipabf.org/ChicagoPolicePension/Financials.html
I know it will be difficult for you, but try to understand that the city doubles the contributions from 2 years previous, simply because that is the way taxes are levied.

7/09/2016 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Edward Roos Building in Forest Park! That's the failed-condos disaster I was talking about. Beautiful 1918 factory, now demolished for safety reasons, I guess --

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nvaughn/9651028504/

The developers abandoned it and left this mess --

http://flickriver.com/photos/chiski/6496158809/

Forest Park parks director says the Roos building can't be salvaged

"The Roos building was once a grand edifice. Three stories of solid brick, capped with a multi-story water tower stood over Forest Park, adorned with a majestic pillared entranceway, carved with the words "ED Roos."

"But time, neglect and the elements have destroyed the building past any hope of being repurposed, said Larry Piekarz, executive director of the Park District of Forest Park..."

http://www.forestparkreview.com/News/Articles/5-14-2013/Forest-Park-parks-director-says-the-Roos-building-can%27t-be-salvaged/

They made beautiful cedar chests. If you have one marked from them, it's a lovely souvenir.

7/09/2016 11:19:00 AM  

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