Bye Bye Shotguns?
An interesting missive out of the Chief of Patrol's Office this week:
- Commencing the week of 18 July 2016 through 22 July 2016, there will be a District shotgun and ammunition turn-in. The purpose of this weapon turn-in is to collect the shotguns, reconcile the inventory and later repurpose the weapons if necessary. [emphasis added - SCC]
There's an attached matrix for every district and unit to bring the shotguns in - and the Districts may not get them back. One of the more versatile weapons in the Department inventory is being removed from circulation, possibly forever.
Question - Why? And why now? Cops are under siege nationwide. Ambush, sniping, attacked at marches. The firepower arrayed against cops is wide ranging, so why not have shotguns as one of the options available? Sure they aren't the most modern weapon and the maintenance leaves much to be desired, but for the most part they worked.
Is this because we might actually have to use them? And are they checking them for functionality or removing them forever?
Question - Why? And why now? Cops are under siege nationwide. Ambush, sniping, attacked at marches. The firepower arrayed against cops is wide ranging, so why not have shotguns as one of the options available? Sure they aren't the most modern weapon and the maintenance leaves much to be desired, but for the most part they worked.
Is this because we might actually have to use them? And are they checking them for functionality or removing them forever?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
188 Comments:
Sounds almost like what is happening with our military. Curious.
Giving the bad guys even more of an advantage. Good move. Whomever came up with gem of an idea deserves a special Dipshit Of The Year Award. Fucking retards.
They will be repurposed. They will be modified to shoot only flower petals and glitter dust. It is all part of the new kinder, gentler, CPD.
The department doesn't want the cops to use them. How many cops are shotgun certified? Maybe the tact teams? But when was the last time he certified with all the new faces on tact.
Shotguns are too intimidating for use on the street, so remove them. Don't want to hurt the feelings of the animals by having to display the shotguns.
If the department was serious about officer safety in light of the recent police shootings the department would certify people on the shotgun and increase classes on the ARs. But we all know that ain't going to happen. Now if ARs are only permitted on the street per a deputy, then you absolutely know the department does not care about officer safety.
How many ARs are on the street at any given time of the day or on a watch in order to respond to an active shooter against cops? And what if there are multiple active shooters in more than one location in the city? ARs, SWAT? Ain't enough to go around.
I heard that they are being retro fitted with orange stocks and will be less lethal weapons .
Bean bag guns .
FYI Friday the 15th is be designated as a Day of Rage by Black Lives Matter.
I am sure it will be non violent and helpful rage. /sarc
I still take one out daily. They work perfect in the rifle rack
I'm not carbine trained but I own a Remington 870 with a OPS stock I'm considering keeping it in my squads trunk
How many will turn up missing?
SCC - Or perhaps they may be considering using the shotgun for less-lethal projectiles such as bean bags or pepper spray rounds. Some have a plastic casing with pepper powder (for use in jails or riots). But knowing the exempt mindset, they are mothballing the shotguns and will make a big press play on how we are being de-militarized so Robin Robinson can say she's reforming the bad PO-leeces.
Retired .38spl +P
"...but for the most part they worked."
19 years otj. saw them deployed once as part of a heavy weapons response to a search for an offender who made threats of not being taken alive.
they are old and not maintained. in the meantime dept is still offering one of the best trainings ever: rifle.
The truth is they are just sitting there collecting dust and no one knows who can take them out or what's required to do so.
The other truth? They're not gonna be effective with snipers ambushing at a distance with a rifle and you're not gonna use them (or even display them nowadays) on some loud mouth cocky asshole attacking you with spit and fists at the protest line
Sadly and truthfully, they may be obsolete for police use in 2016. But I definitely share and see the concern with long guns being taken away from coppers.
Just in time for this
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/warning-day-rage-blacklivesmatter-protests-set-friday-37-us-cities/
Please be safe out there. There are more of us citizens that support the badge, we just don't say "Thank You" loud enough.
Not a cop but on your side.
Remington R12
Law Enforcement Only
12 Gauge Semi-Auto Shotgun.
14in. barrel and 5+1 capacity.
A very good Police response
to the up close, fast and brutally ugly
urban violence.
When something/somebody absolutely
positively needs to have the dog shit
knocked out of it/them.
Maybe the feebs are squeezing Rahm
to stop his bullshit with this lack
of actual training.
Doing it on the cheap with streaming videos
only has been a grave disservice and a failure.
Rahm should be good and tired of stinking of failure.
But then again, he's a tone deaf lunatic so who knows?
Although I agree that we need all the weapons we can get - when's the last time you saw anyone with a shotgun on the street?? Seriously - get trained with carbine already. I've been in ghetto districts for the better part of 20 years - the vast majority on tact. I haven't seen a shotgun checked out in a decade.
This is kind of a bummer. "Come and get them" comes to mind ha ha... I'm told by my more tactically-proficient buddy (who owns a shotgun) that I shouldn't bother with a shotgun, and yet here it sits in my office next to my desk.
Strange, if this is to prevent use when needed, that it's happening AFTER this Friday's downtown love fest... Guess I'll be looking for a nice, recently-retired 870 soon.
This is beyond stupid.
The shotgun is a more useful tool than the AR. Most all of the officer's who chose to qualify with the shotgun did so because they were already comfortable with the weapon, probably grew up using one.
If you are deploying for a civil unrest situation, do you really want an AR in your hand? A shotgun is easier to retain control of (and makes a better impact weapon).
Possible they want to switch out the stocks to make dedicated less-lethal weapons, but you can do the with a roll of blaze orange duct tape, in 2 minutes if necessary.
This decision makes zero sense. Actually, I'd say it's worse than that, because they are removing a versatile weapon from the hands of some very proficient officers.
I have to wonder if the gold braid making this decision ever carried a shotgun on duty?
Hey, they may as well been gone for the last 20 years anyway. In my 20 years I've only seen one cop take one out one time and that had to be 18 years ago. The bosses always said "no" and I doubt anyone has even asked to take one out in the last 10 plus years. They just collect dust. When they use to read out of the CO book about sign up for "shotgun training" I used to laugh and say "they may as well send us to tank training also" since we'll never be allowed to take a tank out either. Hell, we haven't heard a word about our safety from 35th since the Dallas tragedy so going in the opposite direction of officer safety is no surprise. The best tool is the few carbine operators, but the brass haven't utilized them at all. Just look how they put cops at these silly protests in harms way. Scary times
I remember when the shotguns were taken out of the squad cars. Why??? Because jesse Jackson said black people found them intimidating.
Maybe black stick up crews found them intimidating but Im sure law abiding blacks and black Officers found them comforting
Would not surprise me if BLM is behind this or that asshole Jmal Green whatever his name is, blew in Eddies ear
They really dont want cops protecting themselves these days
Let this be a lesson to you.
Just more proof that Fat Ed is on the side of Hate The Police Faction.
Converting them all to be less lethal shot guns AKA bean bag shot guns. These guns will be issued to sergeants and higher for field duties
Say goodbye to shotguns. I haven't seen any carried on the streets in years and shotgun training, like all dept. firearms training, has been non existent. DOJ is pushing for less use of force by police, even in life and death situations. The threats against us are grossly downplayed by dept brass as seen with the recent ridiculous roll call speeches in 012 by white shirts about "getting out of the squad and showing the community you're one of them." The community is controlled by cop hater gangbangers and political scum that leverage the media lies about out of control police for political gain. Why else are they pushing the two tasers per car bs? Taser use worked out real well for our brothers in Baton Rouge, right? Use of force model will be rewritten by DOJ with an attempt to discredit the Tueller Drill and any foot to head by police will be deemed lethal force. The kick to head is lethal bs is another shit nugget of wisdom pinched off by the fearless white shirt desk jockeys of 012 in the aftermath of the shameful backstabbing of the guys from 010 by our supe. Unfortunately, guys are listening to this shit, as seen in 004 by the use of a taser on a gun toting suicidal shithead. The bosses & politicians would rather give moving speeches about your service and dedication at your funeral than defend your proper and lawful use of deadly force on an assailant to an angry mob of "activists" and "reporters". Don't give'em that opportunity.
There's not a Department Member left who actually signed out a shotgun for street duty.
O/T there is currently 810 detectives of that 810 only 680 are assigned to area north, central and South. No wonder why the clearance rate is so low, they are way under staffed. There use to be 1200 detectives until 9.5 decimated this once great department. Can't wait to leave this shit show
A shotgun would of worked better than a rifle in Dallas
Reason behind this is that the shotguns will have necessary maintenance done on them and will eventually roll back out into districts with less leathal ammo. Supervisors will be the only department members allowed to utilized the less leathal shotguns once put back into service.
I've heard from the academy range and south range guys that the department is changing out parts on our existing shotties to fire non-lethal. Complete with pretty orange buttstocks and charging handles. I saw a few of them in the rack at the academy. They said all sergeants are going to be trained on them. Yay, more non-lethal, since we're just killing everyone aren't we? One more piece of gear to worry about. Fuck this place. Stay safe guys.
Just another dumb move.
EVERY car in CPD should be carrying a long gun. Preferably BOTH rifle AND shotgun. Afterall, it's Chicago you are patrolling, not Glencoe or Galena, Illinois.
The LA gun battle years ago with the two bank robbers who had body armor and AK-47s that stood off cops (who only had handguns) for hours should be enough reason to have long guns - PERIOD.
Obama and company is blaming everything under the policemen's control for institutional racism- go figure!
Makin room for the body cam holders !
They're converting them to Nerf guns. Anybody see Don Lemon on CNN Black, White, and Blue? Gary McLoser was on the panel and is clearly shopping for a new chief's job with his apologist 'cops are wrong and we are sorry' spiel. Truth is Gary you demanded the officers go through the ghetto and excessively stop people for your numbers approach to policing. Now find a metric for, 'oops I pissed off all the clientele.' All this B.S. comes down to some people (or folks ) feeling disrespected. And the proof is, they just feel it. So, how do you logically approach the issue, using facts, to persuade those who don't want to hear it; that they necessarily get a million dollars of police service, every day, because other parts of town don't mis-behave so consistently violent? Ya Can't. It's not about logic. It's about feelings, Ya' feel me? It's a modern day 'Witch Hunt.' This is very dangerous. A mere allegation is proof enough. Nobody is putting the brakes on this hysteria. So, when the riots come just make sure your family has a safety plan. And, by the way, where IS Neil Sullivan's evacuation plan?
Great does this mean we are getting more AR-15’s in the districts, no because we qualify one time a year, with 30 rounds. Great job CPD with keeping up with the times.
The AR is the better weapon system. It's more accurate, has more rounds and is far more current technology than the shotgun.
Handguns Next? As our Society heads towards a Socialist State, authority at the local level becomes diminished, and will be stronger at the federal level. Perhaps, the police should be unarmed in terms of possessing lethal force, since they really should not have that authority. The Power of Life or Death should come from a higher power and wisdom, that being the Federal Government. So, just as a piece of waste, can stand in an officer's face and insult him, spew spittle or even spit on him, the officer is "Expected" to take that. Or perhaps even a punch to the face, and the assailant goes unpunished, because the officer is expected to take it. All power to the people, especially the Elitist Democrats. Just as in the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, etc.; the illusion is perpetuated by the Party's Propaganda Machine, the Media, that all are Comrades and Equal. However, in reality, the Power Brokers at the highest levels of the Party are in fact not "equal". The Party Elite Leadership is above the other comrades. The Leadership lives better than the Proletarian! The Leadership dictates the direction, both Democrat and Republican. So Elephant Legs Hillary wins over Comrade Bernie in a rigged election, where "delegates" are not equal to "Super Delegates". And the Bush Family Machine grinds forward, ignoring that the Proletarians voted Trump. We have become a Third Rate nation, where standing out or standing-up; a nation where "Exceptionalism" is attacked, because we are all supposed to be "Equal". As a nation, we have fallen, and we are heading to the trash bin of history. America is in decline, and rotting from within. Stay Fetal, my "Comrades" Stay Fetal; F@%k Rahm, Obama, Hillary , Bernie and their Socialist State. They want to disarm you like the cops in England. Next you will give up your rifles and then your handguns. Remember, those rifles came from Weiss, and the hated Ray-Ray, not so long ago. Anything given by man, can be taken back by man. Baby"G" Fu%@ Rahm's Communist Chicago Values!! So sayeth, Da Baby"G"
One wonders why we don't do shit anymore! No Street stops! No traffic stops! No contact! I don't even say hello to anyone anymore! Fuck this place! Can't wait to leave Illinois and goofy ass Chicago!
The city already has a vendor to buy these s/g' for spit.
They should make them available for patrol use again, but we all know that is not going to happen.
The plan to remove the shotguns from the districts has been in place for a couple of years now. By refusing to build an outdoor range, the city has severely limited the ability of the department to conduct shotgun training. This, combined with the "we have rifles now" mentality of the command staff led to a lack of qualifications being conducted for the past 3+ years. So now of course there is no one in the districts qualified to take out a shotgun, so the command staff wants to pull them because they are unused and falling into disrepair as we have no Department Armorer to maintain them anymore.
On the upside, there is some talk and training being looked at to convert the shotguns to less-than-lethal use for bean bag and other less-than-lethal munitions.
In most circumstances I'd rather have a shotgun than my AR-15.
being repurposed for non-lethal munitions
They obviously are being removed for a purpose. The purpose is permanent. If not, they would have "reconciled" them by trading exisitng shotguns for replacements. Being the CPD, you can assume the existing shotguns are junk but also, they do not want blue suits to have the kinds of "weapons of war" available to defend yourselves or the public. It is too dangerous if you are well armed. It puts the City in a position of having to assume more liability. Everytime I hear these politicians the only thing listen for is the lie. And I am never surprised or disappointed because I never wait for long.
Vote Trump, or America's goin Down to the Commies, and it ain't no joke, it's for real.
Replaced by carbine hopefully.
We have rifles, shotguns are a thing of the past. Rifles are lighter, more ergonomic, and easier to shoot.
I don't know anyone who has qualified with a shotgun in years. So why have them in the district if know one can sign them out. I guess they are moving towards ar-15's. Years ago more people were gun people and knew the shotgun was a good tool for a not so good shooters. The most letal round their is, is a 50 caliber slug. The 5.56 Nato / .223 Rammington was used in Vietnam to wound a soldier and take 3 men off the battlefield. The idea was he would most likely die from jungle conditions and lack of medical treatment. The ar-15 round lacks real stopping power. The shotgun slug has that stopping power, versatility of door breaching with buck shot, animal use, for real firepower for the not so good shooter and could be used for less letal rounds. Everyone should have a shotgun and move away from the ar-15 round. If the department really wants to have rifles move to a .308 Nato, an ar-10 rifle. This has the stopping power to stop with one shot.
Those big bad guns are scary.
Shotguns have been added to the list of things that are racist along with traffic enforcement.
Simple reason.
They cost money!
Jamal thought they were too scary so they will be replaced with a giant feather so you can tickle the offender into compliance. Brilliant.
Repurpose means rig for bean bags...goodbye double ought buck.
Bad times ahead for America.
Some civilian retard heard them referred to as riot guns and said "OMG, we can't have those on the street with all these riots going on!"
Some departments still very big on the shotgun -- backward small towns like Los Angeles. During recent "citywide tactical alert" regarding active shooter at UCLA, it looked like every responding officer who did not have an M4 had a shotgun. Some had TWO shotguns -- a standard model and a color-molded-stock "less lethal" beanbag job.
"Recondition," "repair," that I could see. "Repurpose" is another word entirely. How do you "repurpose" a shotgun? Use them for fence posts? Table legs?
I don't like the sound of this.
Illinois has shotgun-only season for deer. Can't use a rifle in the woods here because of the closer proximity of residences -- but rifle is better than shotgun in the middle of the much more crowded city?
Both weapons have their place, but I fear that Chicago's dangerous Fergusonization -- sending officers to riots without helmets or eye shields "to build trust" -- will result in something else being taken away from the Department.
Hope I'm wrong.
Oh. Obama is running a big "Town Hall Meeting" tonight about "building bridges between police and community."
All shotguns are to be taken to the Pyramid Of Holy Light A.M.E. Church between 10 AM and 2 PM. $100 gift card, no questions asked.
Now line up and turn in your big bad shotguns and might as well add the Glock while you at it. Join one of the two lines after the turn in, your choice. Line A is for those that want their throat cut. Line B leads to the showers. Ignore all the smoke from the ovens next door.
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The problem you have is a leadership that does not learn. They are not figuring out that pandering to these characters does not work even as it does not work right before their eyes.
Ours are old maybe they are being replaced...DP12's would be a good chose.
Unfucking real.
By design, no one is shotgun trained any more. A shotgun has become politically incorrect. You can actually shoot someone sixteen to eighteen times legit, with just two shots. Very devastating and intimidating weapon. Probably to much liability also with 00buck. Every pellet has to be accounted for. Finally the way the department had old Remingtons slings set up, don't really allow for very secure attachment.
You know they are going to sell them. If anyone finds out when and where please post. I'm sure several people would love to get their sticky tactical fingers all over those old rusty guns.
"Inventory and later repurpose, if necessary?" Right. Sounds like a gun grab to me.
Need not worry they are simply being replaced with colored balloons and bouquets of flowers to comfort any and all protesters at riotous situations.
I'd rather use my own anyway if it came down to it.
Only the clouted get trained. That program should be for everyone and we should be trained at the academy not some field trip for the guys at the gun ranges to go out to southern Illinois to shoot more rounds and have a fun vacation day. Rumor is that they do that because it hurts there ears to shoot on our ranges, so they like to go shoot outside. That means less people get trained and less police officers get to carry there ARs and keep themselves and the citizens safe.
are the M-4 next?
Has shotgun training even been offered in the last 5 years? You can't take one out unless you were trained in the last year. They won't be coming back.
When Franklin got demoted back to lieutenant he always carried one one the street.
whats with the big conspiracy theory? they took the lidars last week and are supposed to actually test and fix them
it could happen....maybe not during our careers.....
Yep - take the shotguns out. Too intimidating.
Go for a retro look. Take your pick of some "old" guns:
- A Thompson sub-machine gun (.45CAL)
- An M1 Rifle (30.06)
- A BAR (30.06)
Nothing speaks better for COMBAT! in the streets than the guns used in COMBAT! the TV show.
(Seriously, this issue about limiting long-rifles in the cars is ludicrous. ALL cars should have a rifle or shotgun or both - ESPECIALLY in Chicago. This AIN'T Mayberry.)
Am not giving up shit, My family is primary. This department can go to hell
Disarming the police. What a great idea! What's next? The gov is just chipping away at this.
Back when MSF was operating I was assigned there and he city de idea to allow you to carry your own rifle or a department issued. They began to put rifle racks in the trunk but didnt v want to spend the money on legit racks that hold the gu s properly, so they had a mechanic from Area 1 assigned to fa Rica te the rscks. This guy was sharp enough to know that this was SHIT and told the city that this would fail. But the city trying o be cheap as always didn't listen and within 2 months every rack installed was falling off the trunk lids hee they would bounce and rip loose. So then they tried to mount t them on he backed of the trunk whee the locing device sat, this too was Fucked up. Back in the old old days we carried the shotguns on the font for ready for a tion but now we are the punching bag plice. Stay safe from a retired Sergeant.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The city already has a vendor to buy these s/g' for spit.
7/14/2016 04:41:00 AM
Been retired five years and there was talk back then of selling off the 870's to individual officers to upgrade to the semi's. I wasn't a "heavy weapons guy", but as a dic, I maintained my qualification over the years and took it out situationally.
Nothing like watching the world play Statue when you racked a round!
BLM find officers guns intimidating. New order coming out officers will be given a straw and a piece of paper. The cpd is doomed ...
Next will be the removal of those semi-automatic assault pistols. No Glock's, HK's, M&P's or other high capacity "assault" pistols allowed. Everyone will revert back to being revolver police, 38 cal only with dump pouches, no speed loaders allowed.
Stop or I will say stop again!
Another knee jerk reaction by the city no doubt. I know that this has been rumored for years....But did anyone tell them that these shotguns are capable of delivering less than lethal force??? Too early of a demise IMHO. The 12 gauge is a very intimidating tool in the police arsenal. Rifles, or not... they are just as effective at crowd management. Also...I'd rather have a shotgun while serving a warrant anytime.
Another bad move by CPD brass...I'm glad I'm gone.
Rambo is turning them in for $100 gift cards.
He said he will use the $ towards the CPD pension.
Have your own shotgun in the trunk
for when ghetto shit flies sideways...
Do what you need to do to go home
safe to YOUR families and loved ones.
Put that OTHER motherfucker in a coffin
and let Rahm and Obama speechify real
pretty at SHIT-HEAD's funeral while YOU
have more precious time on GOD's good
earth to live a good and constructive life.
Blessings upon the peacemakers doesn't
mean that the lives of peacemakers have
come to be thought of as the price to be
paid to maintain the subterfuge of a
cynical political talking point as a
social narrative for the sake of
appearance.
I took the training for the shotgun and became qualified. The problem I had was recertification. They never had it. I have been certified twice but unable to keep my certification. We should have it as an available tool. I've had it out and let me tell you, it's an eye catcher, people notice it.
It is a short range weapon and can be used in close quarters and when used properly, can easily eliminate the threat. If they are changing them to less-lethal, I would welcome the training and try to be certified. In reality, we should have both versions.
Not a cop, but a life time shooter...Long ago I slew mucho groundhogs in the bean fields of southern Il. I used a scoped 243, and killed hogs out past 1/4 mile on a monotonous basis....Kept hounds and killed LOTS of rabbits with a shotgun, not to mention doves and quail....My best handgun shot was a black bird @100 yards with my 44. magnum redhawk.... I know what gun to use in which situation. Every squad car in America should contain at least 1 12 Ga. shotgun with both slugs and buckshot. A 12 Ga. pump is the equal of a sub machinegun, and much better than a handgun against an assault rifle....Urban situations often negate the superior range of a rifle.....Why not confiscate all firearms from brass, up to and including twinkletoes, and give all their security people flower petal and sparkle shooters...It would be a nice gesture to the poor frightened folks...
Bad idea at a very bad time.
The ACLU was invited to Channel 9 morning news to answer why contact cards are down and crime is up but all the ACLU could say is the Chicago Police need to change their procedure/policy. CHANGE, let the ACLU go stop crime and answer why Crains Chicago Business reported on channel 11 Wed' that business is tired of insider politics and constant tax raises. Taxes to support things like Cook County Hospital trauma ward and those other hospitals that serve the 2000 or so shooting victims that aren't calling momma for the Blue Cross card.
Shotguns are still VERY useful platforms for LE.I realize the AR/MSR is probably more versatile,the scatter gun still cannot be beat for short range power operations.Buckshot fired at medium ranges can cover a large clustered mob and neutralize them.
Rounds like the federal tru-flite OO holds tight patters out to 40 yards and the tru-ball slug load is very accurate and penetrates well on soft targets and large game animals(bears).
I agree with you, 2:09am poster. But we can't even get a PDT in every car! The summer mobile unit has already downed like 5/6 cars they''ll all be on foot patrol soon!
12 Gauge Shotgun Winchester 2 ¾" 1oz Rifled Slug slow motion ballistic gelatin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftrCtOyLrmU
12 gauge Shotgun Remington 3" Magnum 00 buckshot impacting ballistic gelatin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBFS3HWoIU
CPD now run by the 5th floor from da hall.
410 Bore Federal 000 buckshot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrUKu3TBHnU
Oh constable can you direct me to naval pier? A pity you have lost your weapons.
Friday has been named as a national day of rage by Black Lives Matter. They will protest in 37 cities around the country. I assume Chicago will be one of them.
Its obvious Rahm told the commissioner to take as many guns away from the police as possible.
I guess he feels its okay for police to get shot or beaten.
Retired ISP Sgt here. After graduating from the ISP Academy you are issued your pistol and a shotgun. I carried this shotgun, a Remington 870, every day during my career, and pulled it out on a few occasions, one being a manhunt for an escaped prisoner in a secluded, wooded area at night. Standing my post on the perimeter with the next closest officer about a quarter mile away, knowing a bad guy was loose in the area, I would not have traded the shotgun for anything else. Dumb idea CPD. Best to have the tools available and not need them, than to need them and not have it.
Where's "Dean-o" and the Safety Cmt on this? Eating donut's? Carry the rifle with
u, I guess that's how it's got 2 B.
I remember back in the old 14, we all carried 2 guns, and supplied r own ammo, we
could trust, in putting down the beast!
This is not good.
ABCD (Ret)
The sound of the slide of a 12 gauge shotgun racking that shell in has caused many a felon to freeze in his tracks and become very reasonable.
You can get that now as a cell phone app.
""The AR is the better weapon system. It's more accurate, has more rounds and is far more current technology than the shotgun.""
Ive been on watches where not one single AR was even checked out. If some copper has the balls to be different then the other Lemmings, actually go for the training, and pull an AR, he'd be laughed at and belittled by the "30 rnd a year club" that they'd probably never pull one again.
Its really just a chickenshit, dog assed outfit. I'd probably go nuts if I was a firearms trainer. Especially now there is so much pressure to simply not get involved that it metastasizes into a routine of zero training, zero fitness, unlimited cynicism, and total incompetence. I know there are some units that are different but even almost all of them cant shoot worth a shit and know zip about tactics. Which is pretty much what you saw in Dallas.
Dallas PD was leaving in droves because that chief, that everyone is now calling a hero, was such a jagoff nobody wanted to work for him and morale was -0%.
FWIW, a Mossberg 500 Cruiser has an 8+ 1 round capacity and comes with options for either a regular stock or a pistol grip. Goes for less than $300 in most stores. Sidesaddle ammo holder is another $20. Good luck out there.
For Close Quarter Combat...
These shotguns will be fitted with large orange inflated pillow stocks in case an offender is struck with the butt of the weapon. They will also b fitted with bayonet lugs for large less-lethal artificial feathers.
Silly-String grenade launchers are being studied.
Rumor has it that Jamal is not happy with the aggressive tone taken by CPD when they arrested him recently. The department has agreed that officers need to be more kind and considerate to offenders. One of the proposed changes is for officers to assume a less aggressive stance when confronting citizens. Officers will be taught the pretty please with sugar on it stance in upcoming training.
everything is too intimidating for these special snowflakes. that is why riot gear is a no no today.
Special Ed has started a new gun turn-in initiative, and to prove to the public he is serious he is starting with CPD shotguns. Just think that's over 200 guns turned in, add that to the already high numbers of guns taken off of the streets and together we can. Rumor has it, Ed feels this will be a good start to mending the divide between the "community" and CPD. Later in the year there will also be another initiative where officers can turn in their own guns to show that they to want to mend fences. Good luck, folks.
Very soon , law abiding citizens will be better armed than the Police. How sick is that ?
Didn't Samuel L Jackson state. "We need shotguns for this gig" Ha ha.
I guess none of the command staff have never been on scene when someone pumps a round in the chamber and and all the ass holes stop clowning. It really is a better tool than a rifle. No one looks down the barrel of a 12 Guage without being calmed
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Reason behind this is that the shotguns will have necessary maintenance done on them and will eventually roll back out into districts with less leathal ammo. Supervisors will be the only department members allowed to utilized the less leathal shotguns once put back into service.
Because our Sgts and cheating Lts are the best and brightest. Good let them keep it, rather them than some trigger happy three year wonder out to show that he's the real police.
 Anonymous said...
A shotgun would of worked better than a rifle in Dallas
7/14/2016 01:29:00 AM
You dont know what the hell you are talking about.
Can't speak for other districts, but they checked them out in 025 quite often.
One officer checked one out this spring, got called back in because the boss knew that the department hasn't done qualifications in 3 years.
Shotguns are easy to maintain. Not that many moving parts.
There are probably 50 officers that could be armorer's for the shotgun.
I'm sure many would volunteer if it meant keeping them.
I would.
Figures. Although the Elmer Fudd™ shotguns are antiques with St. Sabina gift card turn-in value, (somebody needs to check the table when Saturday Night Special Ed touts his next Turn In Day press conference display.)
Eliminating evil pre civil rights shotguns it's another example of the ACLU/DOJ preparing to disarm police (Hilliary prepping) .
If the Department wanted, they would have updated the shotgun to at least a tactical version. I see limits to magazine capacities and an outlawed .45, restricting patrol to 1 or 2 department issued "safe" rifles per watch coming and of course their expanded non-lethal taser use. Could it be some gelliehead gave too much information to ACLU/DOJ ride-a-longs?
Rahm would love it if he doesn't have to answer up for another angry black assailant getting shot for aggressively confronting the police.
The Fetal Lives Matter and realize that the difficult message to get guys to lay low for a while, as long a possible, just answering your call etc. is a tough decision, but trust me...no ghetto job is worth being first on the scene.
Many don't realize that most of ghetto shootings, robberies, batteries go into the suspended bin. The folks don't want the police after the fact, believe me they don't call back and they didn't see nothing. You can follow up and put words in mouths of someone who won't cooperate.
Playing police isn't fun anymore. No CB number is worth the bullshit it causes.
Drawing that weapon and not using it? Hmmmm. Damned if you don't, Separated if you do.
Forget the shotgun. Practice with what you have.
Be cool. Fetal when you can.
"Here are the solutions. We need to abolish the police, period. Demilitarize the police, disarm the police, and we need to come up with community solutions for transformative justice," said Jessica Disu
Hell Fuckin Yea...........Lets start the experiment in DaWood
Tonight we will all stay at the station and not move to end of shift.............
"The delivery of the large number of projectiles simultaneously makes the shotgun the most effective short range weapon commonly used, with a hit probability 45% greater than a submachine gun, and twice as great as an assault rifle. The ability to use shotgun slugs extends the range and penetration capability of the shotgun. Police officers in the US commonly secure a shotgun in their vehicles, for use when armed resistance is expected or at any time greater firepower than the officer's sidearm is needed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_shotgun
No weapon ever made me feel safer than a shotgun. From here to the door, down the hall, up the stairs...you own it.
Also prevented a lot of trouble without ever being fired. So funny to see motherf__ers falling all over themselves to get away when you operated the slide.
Chicago has that slap-your-hand-and-take-the-Bad-Thing-away mindset -- as though dealing with a child.
...as the real problems are allowed to get worse and worse.
I heard they will be firing laughing gas rounds only... So when these clowns destroy the city... We can all laugh about it.
Model 37 Ithaca pump gun. The answer to urban warfare.
"The AR is the better weapon system. It's more accurate, has more rounds and is far more current technology than the shotgun."
7/14/2016 04:33:00 AM
There is a valid role for both.
"The AR is the better weapon system." you betcha GI Joe. After it blasts through the intended target, it takes out Grandma, and the folks in the next apartment, then down the block. Stick to X-box, or any of your other mantoys.
WTF good does any weapon do you when you're not even allowed to wear a helmet and eye shield, not allowed to maintain personal space for your own safety, not allowed to use even pepper spray?
What am I, a spittoon?
I do wonder if the radical black lives matter movement is behind this. Recently in the media they have discussed how the police are militarized and it is time to de militarize the police.
I have the most important question ever on this site---I'm heading to the second city next month to see the Cubs- I need some advice on places to eat.
I carry a shotgun in my bag. F the city. It's all about survival.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is beyond stupid.
The shotgun is a more useful tool than the AR. Most all of the officer's who chose to qualify with the shotgun did so because they were already comfortable with the weapon, probably grew up using one.
If you are deploying for a civil unrest situation, do you really want an AR in your hand? A shotgun is easier to retain control of (and makes a better impact weapon).
Possible they want to switch out the stocks to make dedicated less-lethal weapons, but you can do the with a roll of blaze orange duct tape, in 2 minutes if necessary.
This decision makes zero sense. Actually, I'd say it's worse than that, because they are removing a versatile weapon from the hands of some very proficient officers.
7/14/2016 12:57:00 AM
You sir, get the moronic statement of the day award. I guess the military using them as impact weapons and what not, (which is a flagrant violation of policy in the first place) is moot point.
(OT) just another reason to prepare your own food and bring your lunch:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-ecoli-outbreak-update-0715-biz-20160714-story.html
Ever think about the dirty infected scumbags that prepare your food? The illegals coming over here in this sanctuary city with the third world diseases?
This is what happens when you neutralize your police department.Take away the shotguns and encourage them to use verbal lashings and harsh language.
While you're sitting around at the next roll call ask everyone when they last practiced with their pistol. Not the 30 rds of qual but actually practiced some shooting skills. Don't worry about the shotguns, worry about your fellow officers walking behind you with a glock in their hand. People bitch and moan about the dept not training us properly, which is absolutely true, but what have YOU done about it yourself.
Removing an option from the officers toolbox. What an FINE example of lack of leadership. And at a time when cops are under seige across the nation. FUCKING CLUELESS!!!
The truth is they are just sitting there collecting dust and no one knows who can take them out or what's required to do so.
The other truth? They're not gonna be effective with snipers ambushing at a distance with a rifle and you're not gonna use them (or even display them nowadays) on some loud mouth cocky asshole attacking you with spit and fists at the protest line
Sadly and truthfully, they may be obsolete for police use in 2016. But I definitely share and see the concern with long guns being taken away from coppers.
7/14/2016 12:45:00 AM
Tell that to the Dallas officer that was in the close range shootout only armed with a pistol that he ultimately lost. The spread of 00 buck might've been the game changer in ending that threat. Just a thought. RIP officer.
Next the Police will be issues Wrist Rockets w/ sponge balls for ammo!
SSC... Up at gateway pundit ... Cleveland PD given stand down order for Republican convention ... Guess that means it's open season on Trump supporters if true
I have a mossberg 590 at home....not a cop but preparing for the worst,LONG LIVE THE 2ND AMENDMENT!
Most retied cops remember the days when shotguns and k-9s were deemed offensive to minoritys and departments were required to move shotguns from front occupant racks and K-9 units were disbanded.
as a retired officer, and happily I might add, I have had the privilege to watch the demonstrations the past few years at a distance, namely on the news. What amazes me is what seems to be the ball less exempts that are leading you ( with the exception of McCarthy who I saw on the front lines). These exempts seem to like standing in the back, giving the officers orders as the crowd is allowed to get right up in your face, spit on you, hit you, yell and shout in your ear with bullhorns, push and shove you and then tell you not to arrest anyone. This is leadership? Good God! I have been in countless riots, demonstrations etc and never have I seen such a lack of leadership or courage on the part of the exempt force. They seem to be cowards. I know that much of this must be driven by City Hall because they do not want arrests, but holy crap , why can't these bosses stand up for the troops ? This latest a-hol, Green threatened and struck lessor ranks and was allowed to continue in his protests. But, when he struck an exempt, he was arrested.Figures. I can only say that if a demonstrator put his hands on me, or threw something at the police, back in my day, that demonstrator was arrested.
I have the most important question ever on this site---I'm heading to the second city next month to see the Cubs- I need some advice on places to eat.
7/14/2016 02:20:00 PM
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Playing police isn't fun anymore. No CB number is worth the bullshit it causes.
Drawing that weapon and not using it? Hmmmm. Damned if you don't, Separated if you do.
Forget the shotgun. Practice with what you have.
Be cool. Fetal when you can.
7/14/2016 01:33:00 PM
better and truer words were never spoken. words of wisdom. These are bad times for the police, it seems no one with authority is on you side ( plenty of good citizens out there who are), the mayor is not, the superintendent is not, too many judges are not, the spineless and balless exempt class are not, the soon to be states attorney ( Kim Foxx) is not, the police board which call all of you racist, certainly is not. Do not be first on the scene. Let the animals kill and beat each other up. Show up, call for an ambulance, write the paper and go have a cup of coffee.Live to support your family and live to collect your pension. Don't stop anyone on the street or in vehicles, don't chase anyone. I know, it takes the fun out of the job, but it is better then the alternative.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have the most important question ever on this site---I'm heading to the second city next month to see the Cubs- I need some advice on places to eat.
OMG...
Another attack in France. That diversity is REALLY working out for them over there. Let's not bring some more of that over here.
Dump the Democrats. Stop this President from bringing in more right now. Let's go TRUMP.
Let your voice be heard. NO MORE.
I can remember the PD that I started with still had a few of the old Ithaca 10ga laying around. They were called "THE ROADBLOCKER" about 4ft long and weighed what seemed like 15 lbs. not very practical on the streets, though they commanded attention.
After removing the shotguns from the districts maybe they can remove the clout babies too. ♠️
Too bad. Great weapon at close range . 30 < feet or so = devastating !
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the dept. puts them in the totals of "guns" taken off the streets...smoke and Mirrors boys and girls. Nothing of substance...
CPD getting those gift cards !
used to sign out a shot gun every day. bought my own shoulder straps.very sad.
Very curious timing to say the least
The ACLU was invited to Channel 9 morning news to answer why contact cards are down and crime is up but all the ACLU could say is the Chicago Police need to change their procedure/policy. CHANGE, let the ACLU go stop crime and answer why Crains Chicago Business reported on channel 11 Wed' that business is tired of insider politics and constant tax raises. Taxes to support things like Cook County Hospital trauma ward and those other hospitals that serve the 2000 or so shooting victims that aren't calling momma for the Blue Cross card.
7/14/2016 10:59:00 AM
why not publish the phone number of the ACLU in various neighborhoods, and then say....if you need police services, call the ACLU!....hah! problem solved
I went through the B qualification this week. Class was good. Did extra stuff after. The guy even changed a worn out part for me and showed us the areas to be aware of. We did an additional drill afterwards and really gave me confidence in my abilities. I'll take my rifle any day over a shotgun. It's got a light for when our team is on nights too. It's a good system and they put a good class together.
Shotguns are way too scary. Another example of B.H.O.'s master plan in the works. New K9 class starting, word is they will not be trained to bite. Just loveable sniffers. Unbelievable!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Replaced by carbine hopefully.
7/14/2016 06:27:00 AM
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You young guys otj better wake up. You will see that they will be replaced with NOTHING !! Nadda ! Carry your own and you will be taking calls at call back Kids. There you can get all the TD you want. Go on medical and they will drop by your crib 4 times a day.
Fat Eddie will eat your ass up if seen on TV with a pistol grip long weapon
Take the old gun rack and you got an antique.
Made right here in Illinois!!
http://www.lmtstore.com/m203.html
Law abiding citizens have your back! Have ours when it matters.
Can I continue to carry my blackjack?
Old Retired Guy Here Again !!!! I just type two paragraphs on this subject. Then I erased it all, and thought, why bore them all to death. Bottom Line: It is the responsibility of the Police Dept. to protect its members, and the citizens. If, and when the "S--t hits the Fan" The Dept. needs to have the "Tools" ready to do the job.
I think a shotgun is the best all around urban long arm weapon to do this task.
As an outsider watching the chaos and incompetence of CPD I have come to the conclusion that you are the test tube for the dems fed police force. Think about it.
When do go back to revolvers???
Have a buddy who is an L.A. County Deputy. He just read this blog. He said even in the land of fruits and nuts, nobody leaves a station WITHOUT a shotgun.Now the cars have shotguns AND M-4s.
I have a 1912 Winchester M97 which has been modified to the trench broom and tuned for rapid firing. For those who do not know this does not have a trigger disconnecter so as fast as you pump it's firing. Six rounds of OO with 9 36 caliber balls has 54 projectiles heading down range in less than 4 seconds. Dont think there is any fully automatic weapon that can equal that and the lethality can be controlled. The Ithaca 37 in earlier configurations can do the same along with the Winchester M12.
But NOTHING makes a sound like the M97. So much metal slamming together. And do a YouTube search on some guys that are good at working these things. If I knew I was facing urban combat with less than 100 yard ranges the 97 or 37 would be my weapon of choice. Even the Germans tried to get them banned in WW 1.
If anyone gets a chance stop at the Academy and walk down to the range. There are new shotguns down there that will be given to Sgt.'s only. Here's the scary part, they only fire a non lethal round. They are orange in color and are being assembled down there as of a few weeks ago. If anyone doubts this, walk down there and ask the Range Instructors. Scary times are ahead of us, the Thugs use real guns and we now get to use a bean bag gun. They are slowly disarming us.
I am surprised these penny pushers have not figured out that seniority by district saves them money and increases proactive police during high crime times. Violent crime increases betweem 1800 and 0300 HRS. We also know that it increases during warm weather, weekends, and holidays. Furlough by district reduces the amount of summer furloughs on afternoons. Do the math its true! Maybe, they should reverse the curse. Furlough by district and bring back TARA before the medium speed districts go to complete shit. Just some common sense advice. Wearing the blue shirt longer then most white shirts ever did. Not smarter just more in tune with reality.
TY and enjoy a good soul food sandwhich at the taste.
I don't know anyone who has qualified with a shotgun in years. So why have them in the district if know one can sign them out. I guess they are moving towards ar-15's. Years ago more people were gun people and knew the shotgun was a good tool for a not so good shooters. The most letal round their is, is a 50 caliber slug. The 5.56 Nato / .223 Rammington was used in Vietnam to wound a soldier and take 3 men off the battlefield. The idea was he would most likely die from jungle conditions and lack of medical treatment. The ar-15 round lacks real stopping power. The shotgun slug has that stopping power, versatility of door breaching with buck shot, animal use, for real firepower for the not so good shooter and could be used for less letal rounds. Everyone should have a shotgun and move away from the ar-15 round. If the department really wants to have rifles move to a .308 Nato, an ar-10 rifle. This has the stopping power to stop with one shot.
Two Words of advice from a wheel gunner , dinosaur .
Stay Fetal !
Answer no calls that are in progress as a one man unit , this includes burglar alarms ,
Always lay back and wait for an assist cars on domestic battery , shots fired etc .
Mental calls , really not a Police Matter , no criminal act being a mental . Call for cfd or a crisis intervention team , take no physical action .
Stand down , stay fetal .
No one has our back .
2:56 pm.
Really?
If you are carrying a long gun (At, shotgun, or other), and get charged, but not by an offender using a weapon or GBH against you, the long gun CAN be used as an impact weapon. That is allowed in the use of force paradigm.
You would still need to retain the weapon, and I insist the shotgun is easier to retain.
You my use the long gun as an impact weapon, and I insist that a shotgun would be more effective in this capacity than an AR, and less likely to get damaged.
It's all fine and good that we can use AR's, but if the situation doesn't allow for leathal force, if you have an AR, your out of the game (actually, you're a liability). With a shotgun, not so much.
Keep in mind, most of the guys who qualified with the shotgun did so voluntarily, which is to say they preferred a shotgun to other options. They feel that way for a reason.
I know it wasn't all of them, but, (and throwing p/cout the window) the guys who carried shotguns tended to be "good old boys" who had a certain aura of "don't fuck with me" resonating from their person. Maybe not the guys for getting a "community interaction" number, but exactly the guy I want next to me on a search warrant (especially if there are dogs around), or a riot.
As a final point of information, our best will stop 00 buck, or a slug (yea, it's gonna hurt like hell). A lot of our best won't stop a super-sonic .223. I pray the situation where that actually matters never happens, but it would be foolish to write it off.
Plz let people know a former ASA was the victim of a home invasion agg batt and hate crime! The victim m/2 the offender m/1 breaks in beats the man down, stabs him over 30 times in the face, slices his face open like the joker and throws white paint on him. Where is the media on this? Oh and the offender is a member of the BLM movement!!!
Just remember. If you are a career criminal, threatening people with a knife (deadly weapon), hyped up on PCP, your life is worth $5 million.
If you are an on-duty cop, at most your family gets $200,000 when you are killed,(from the feds, not the city) and a nice funeral service.
Anonymous said...
When do go back to revolvers???
7/14/2016 08:50:00 PM
Spoiled for choice here...
The old S&W Combat Magnum?
The Ruger Police Service Six?
The older still S&W Model 27?
Or for big fun, The Ruger Redhawk
.45 Colt full of those well known
255 grain lead hollow-point gumballs?
No notion of a magazine dump with that 'un...
You just level and center on Skull-Man and slow exhale
while you squeeze one off.
"POOMP!"
>Concussive orange flash and smoke...
Cloud of dust down range and two feet kicking at the sky<
Or is that considered too mean and unfriendly
to the violent perpetually aggrieved?
I'm confused. What's so intimidating about a shotgun? The noise it makes when you cycle a shot in the chamber? If you take out a 12ga and deploy it, the round should be in the chamber and ready to fire, as the rifle before you even walk away from the squad. When was the last time you saw a shotgun out in the field? I think a locked and loaded m4 in the carry position is way more intimidating. Shotguns are antiquated and have not been seen or uses in years. If they want to deploy them with less than lethal rounds, by all means. Do you honestly a desk crew would even know what to do with them in case of an emergency? Can anyone even say they know where rounds are kept in the station? Dont get me wrong, I'd love to use one on an active resistor. If the day ever comes that they take both away, then we have a problem.
onymous said...
I can remember the PD that I started with still had a few of the old Ithaca 10ga laying around. They were called "THE ROADBLOCKER" about 4ft long and weighed what seemed like 15 lbs. not very practical on the streets, though they commanded attention.
7/14/2016 05:42:00 PM
ANYBODY standing ANYWHERE with a 10ga. "Goose Gun"
at port arms merits being paid rapt attention to!
Jayzus...
"THE ROADBLOCKER?"
How many cubic feet of highway could those things
plow with one shot?
You goofballs talking about carrying your own shotguns are either full of shyt or just plain stupid!
If you shoot an offender with a personal shotgun while on duty then goodluck with the lawsuit!
You will be fired, no pension and no legal aide either.
Please don't listen to these phony jagoffs talk this nonsense
"Tell that to the Dallas officer that was in the close range shootout only armed with a pistol that he ultimately lost. The spread of 00 buck might've been the game changer in ending that threat. Just a thought. RIP officer."
7/14/2016 04:10:00 PM
Just a few heavy pellets a little higher into the back of that murderous head...
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
As you say...RIP Officer. It's all that we're left with.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't know anyone who has qualified with a shotgun in years. So why have them in the district if know one can sign them out. I guess they are moving towards ar-15's. Years ago more people were gun people and knew the shotgun was a good tool for a not so good shooters. The most letal round their is, is a 50 caliber slug. The 5.56 Nato / .223 Rammington was used in Vietnam to wound a soldier and take 3 men off the battlefield. The idea was he would most likely die from jungle conditions and lack of medical treatment. The ar-15 round lacks real stopping power. The shotgun slug has that stopping power, versatility of door breaching with buck shot, animal use, for real firepower for the not so good shooter and could be used for less letal rounds. Everyone should have a shotgun and move away from the ar-15 round. If the department really wants to have rifles move to a .308 Nato, an ar-10 rifle. This has the stopping power to stop with one shot.
7/14/2016 07:00:00 AM
Wow. You need a gun education course. Bad.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have the most important question ever on this site---I'm heading to the second city next month to see the Cubs- I need some advice on places to eat.
7/14/2016 02:20:00 PM
Try the chicken tacos here, the best. http://carbonmex.com/
You do realize that the above listed restaurant was just closed a week or so ago because of E.coli, right?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-ecoli-carbon-mexican-grill-met-20160701-story.html
I was in New York last month,we were in Times Square and we saw and old timer still with a service revolver. I was shocked the nypd did not make him get a 9 mm. Even more shocking , he is still on patrol, after 29 years in uniform. I told him I was a cop from Chicago, and he joked that maybe I should take some bullets Back with me.
Btw, they wear their vests under their uniform,,it must be hot as hell .
To 7/14/2016 09:54:00 AM Sarge, I'm happy that you are retired...but slow down on the sauce...
To 220pm response to that clown and place to eat that us priveless still laughing
Next up no cell phones allowed while your working. They are bringing back the call boxes.
read some of the articles from Germany during WW1 and the Americans using the shotgun in trench warfare. it was so devastating, the Germans wanted the shotgun outlawed from the battlefield.
Here, the 10 ga. Ithaca "Roadblocker."
http://www.imfdb.org/images/6/68/Roadblocker_a.jpg
Plz let people know a former ASA was the victim of a home invasion agg batt and hate crime! The victim m/2 the offender m/1 breaks in beats the man down, stabs him over 30 times in the face, slices his face open like the joker and throws white paint on him. Where is the media on this? Oh and the offender is a member of the BLM movement!!!
7/14/2016 11:28:00 PM
Sounds like a misdemeanor for Cook County. The victim probably startled him and said mean things to him. The offender was just scared and trying to protect himself from the evil white man. Oh wait... former ASA? Ok... we'll charge the felony on this one.
On a serious note, arm yourselves! If you're not a cop, get your CCL. If you are a cop, have an extra gun or two at your house for those left behind while you're at work. If someone comes in your house uninvited, ventilate their ass until your walls have a nice new shiny coat of red paint. Don't give them a chance to hurt you first. Don't yell at them to get out of your house. That gives then the chance to come back or target your neighbors. Kill them. If someone tries to rob you, kill them. Playing nice isn't an option anymore. Kill them before they kill you.
Dramatic moment ISIS fanatic was shot dead by police: French-Tunisian truck terrorist Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel is gunned down after killing 84 including 10 children at Nice Bastille Day firework show
* Terrorist uses lorry to mow down crowds during Bastille Day celebrations in Nice* Local paper Nice Matin names suspect as Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, a French Tunisian man, 31, from Nice
* Death toll currently stands at 84 and dozens more people were injured in terror attack on the French Riviera
* At least 10 babies and children were killed, some in buggies, with least 54 children also being treated in hospital
* French, Americans, Armenians and Ukrainians among confirmed dead - dozens more are injured or missing
* Eyewitnesses said driver zig-zagged at 40mph to hit crowds of people who were sent flying or jammed under wheels
* Terrorist then opened fire with a gun from cab of the lorry before being killed by a police marksman in shootout
* President Francois Hollande says 'many foreigners are dead' and more than 50 injured are 'between life and death'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691019/Several-people-injured-truck-crashes-crowd-Bastille-Day-celebrations-Nice.html
Hell of a thing, confronting a hurtling truck with your duty sidearm. Guy drove over everyone he could on the crowded promenade for 30 minutes, 1 1/4 miles, before he was finally stopped.
Offender had an assault-type rifle -- which he fired -- handgun, grenades, and "larger weapons;" some in cab, some in rear of truck. Driver was "questioned," no one saw anything.
Truck was allowed to remain parked in crowded area for nine hours on strength of driver's claim that he was "delivering ice cream." Uh -- did anyone walk back there and check the load?
French military with their service rifles apparently arrived after it was all over, "to secure the scene."
Could this be an argument for patrol vehicles to be equipped with immediately accessible patrol rifles and good new shotguns, like the Benelli the Marine Corps has procured?
"Btw, they wear their vests under their uniform,,it must be hot as hell ."
Always wore my vest under my shirt , unless it was winter.
Btw, they wear their vests under their uniform,,it must be hot as hell .
7/15/2016 02:38:00 AM
Most body armour was designed to work under your uniform shirt and they perform better that way.
Those shot guns are as useless as a sling shot, buy your own AR before crooked Hilary and Barry outlaw them! Do you think now that a truck was used to kill 85 people in Paris they will outlaw trucks too?
"reconcile the inventory"
================
want to bet there are a bunch of them missing?
I know when I'm looking for a firearm to defend myself I look for one that for "most part they worked."
Seriously, is anyone still trained or certified on those things anymore?
Taking shotguns out of the police inventory is got to be THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD OF.
Back with me.
Btw, they wear their vests under their uniform,,it must be hot as hell .
Not really. With a good cotton or wicking undershirt it is not too bad. Worked Patrol for 18 years wearing vest under the shirt the whole time. Later wore it over in a carrier. While the outer carrier was easier to remove in a restaurant, I didn't find any major difference. You get used to it.
You get in a scuffle with an outside vest and you are wearing a handle.
Those shot guns are as useless as a sling shot, buy your own AR before crooked Hilary and Barry outlaw them! Do you think now that a truck was used to kill 85 people in Paris they will outlaw trucks too?
Yeah, get 'em while they're hot...because Obama has passed so much legislation to prohibit firearm ownership over the past 7 years (end sarcasm).
We should have these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d--VmZZ1U
The issue is that the city has no minority owned companies to buys weapons the city can purchase as wholesale. These connected bull shit minority contractors work out of their bedrooms and purchases goods for the city and they mark the price up 100 to 200 percent. The city pays 5 dollars a roll for the junk toilet tissue from China to let the minority contractor make tall ass money of our tax $.
This been the Chicago way to do business and make their purchases for decades.
There are no minority clout babies that have a FFL.
Check the contracts on the city web site on purchases. You will shit knowing you tax $ are used to pay for shit 10 times retail. All fact. The city will find a buyer for the used shot guns, and maybe get $5.00 a weapon.
There is another reason the department is checking shotguns. The media is nosing around other PD's looking for a "lost or stolen" weapon log. Looks like their next big investigative story is missing police weapons.
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