Ignorance
Reagan once said, "...the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so." The same could be said about so very many people every time there's a police shooting. The arm chair quarterbacks, street corner lawyers and community organizers pop out of the woodwork with all sorts of ways to "fix" the police instead of having citizenstake actual responsibility.
- An Evergreen Park woman is accused of posting a threat on Facebook to shoot any police officer who pulls her over and asks her to get out of her car.
Jenesis Reynolds, 24, was arrested Friday at her home and charged with disorderly conduct. She’s accused of posting a Facebook message saying: “all I know is if the police stops and request me to get out of the car I’m shooting instantly.”
Has anyone pointed out to her (or those like her) that the police have an absolute right to order you from your car? Pennsylvania v Mimms gives police that authority. Yet here is an ignoramus saying she's coming out "shooting instantly." And she is hardly alone in her ignorant thinking. You think that doesn't play into the scenarios running through police minds?
But this attitude (and worse) runs through the ignorant portions of certain communities, claiming the police have no "right" to stop them, to direct them as to proper lawful behavior, to restrict their movement and indeed, their freedom of movement, especially during an arrest situation. If certain people (or folks) would merely comply with lawful orders, things would be a lot simpler and less violent. A street cop knows way more about the law and what they are or aren't allowed to do.
There is no right to resist - it's written into the law. It's also written that an officer need not retreat in the face of resistance. The government wrote it that way on purpose. Sorry.
The populace have civil remedies in the face of unlawful actions, but two wrongs don't make a right. If a person thinks they were unjustly detained, hire a lawyer and sue the authorities - it's the American way.
You fight it out on the street, a whole bunch of people are going to get hurt or worse.
But this attitude (and worse) runs through the ignorant portions of certain communities, claiming the police have no "right" to stop them, to direct them as to proper lawful behavior, to restrict their movement and indeed, their freedom of movement, especially during an arrest situation. If certain people (or folks) would merely comply with lawful orders, things would be a lot simpler and less violent. A street cop knows way more about the law and what they are or aren't allowed to do.
There is no right to resist - it's written into the law. It's also written that an officer need not retreat in the face of resistance. The government wrote it that way on purpose. Sorry.
The populace have civil remedies in the face of unlawful actions, but two wrongs don't make a right. If a person thinks they were unjustly detained, hire a lawyer and sue the authorities - it's the American way.
You fight it out on the street, a whole bunch of people are going to get hurt or worse.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Does this wench have a permit to carry ? If so, probably not for long.
Thank to you all ... How you carry on after Dallas ... well, it holds the very best of American pride, stubbornness, and just plain guts. It can't be easy and you all deserve all the thanks we can give. Don't know what we'd do or how we'd do it without you
Those unjust laws are why the revolution has started. Folks are mad as hell and not going to take it any longer.
Dummy
"But this attitude (and worse) runs through the ignorant portions of certain communities, claiming the police have no "right" to stop them..."
Stinkin' Thinkin' per the usual SCC.
Nothing has changed from the first day we
embarked on our Police sojourn.
"There is no right to resist - it's written into the law. It's also written that an officer need not retreat in the face of resistance. The government wrote it that way on purpose. Sorry."
>Pfffft!<
Like these hard-head, mind-locked, he said/she said,
shit-shack lawyer M/Fers will EVER read those sections of ILCS specific
to Police Power and Authority.
We say...
In accordance with the LAW:
If you resist?
Your resistance WILL be overcome.
YOU dictate how forceful The Police response
is to YOUR resistance.
Assailants should be quickly turned into
hospital patients. Whatever limb, appendage
or body part they send a Policeman's way in
furtherance of an assault, should be firmly
grasped, violently struck/kicked so as to
be rendered broken or destroyed.
Once secure custody is obtained and the
cuffs go on, stop play...
Policemen are SUPPOSED to be polite
and professional but extremely dangerous.
The overly solicitous, high-pitched
sing-songy faux friendly is a bullshit
affectation we and most of the other
Coppers we rode with, could NEVER pull off.
>Two-Headed, Four-Fisted, Four Size 12 Boot Wearing,
12+ Foot & 500+ Pounds of Unblinking, Unsmiling,
Blue Suited, "Fo'ty-Five" Packing Po-leece Perfection Staring At You
From the Dark When You Open Your Door<
"EEEEEK!"
>SLAM!<
"No... Seriously.
Police."
Good point SCC about the Mimms case, but some officers think you need a reason to get someone out of there car, you don't need a reason, if it's a lawful stop, that's the key, lawful stop, Mimms said its ok to get driver out and Maryland v. Wilson says you can get the passengers out, it says " Due to the inherent danger of traffic stops for a police officer, he MAY order the passengers out of a car on any lawful stop" boys and girls these are cases from the US Supreme Court, they gave us the green light to get people out of the car, use it, be smart and hopefully you have supervisors who have balls to back u up, again to be clear. YOU DONT NEED A REASON to get them out, don't have to say I smelled something, he dropped something , if he did that great, if he does nothing you have case law on your side, again be smart and be safe.
It all boils down to severe listening issues.
The LAW means nothing. The FBI Head showed that about Hillary. She and he aides broke several laws, yet they go are not held accountable. So, don't quote the law to citizens, they know the law ranges from meaningless to optional. Cops need to learn to be more respectful and less demanding, because their law no longer exists.
Everyone should be required to watch this helpful video https://youtu.be/igQDvYOt_iA
“all I know is if the police stops and request me to get out of the car I’m shooting instantly.”
And the media wonders why so many cops across the country are on edge.
Why hasn't the department arrested the scumbag who made threats in response to CBS Dave Savini's lies about Officer Morsi?
It's a nice try but a misdemeanor and Cook County.
More of an inconvenience than a penalty. It's not like she will be applying for a high profile security clearance job.
It something one would except from someone who depends on the Govmint.
How about the asshole who keep calling in "a man with a gun" and gave his own name as the offender.
This was bait to get get the police to engage him.
Guarantee you he had his camera phone rolling with Facebook feed and Loevy on speed dial.
Btw, a squirt of pepper spray in the defrost vent helps.
Don't do traffic stops. If you're pestered by the DSS...put their name in the witness box for insisting you can't drive a mile without observing a violator. Believe me, No exempt was ever a traffic hound or a blue shirt long enough to tell you what's better.
The consequences for allowing the shitheads to do what they want and not arresting them. Throwing rocks n bottles beating on police screaming in their faces blocking traffic. How many arrests. Keep chasing them around the city doing nothing to stop em worried about looking bad in the media or being called racist what a fucking joke policing has become. The law abiding citizens of this country better wise up and arm themselves cause god knows the police aren't going to help you anymore they're afraid to be labeled racist.
How much public aid does Jensis recieve, It's my tax dollars I want to know, you can look up most public employees because it's tax dollars.
Pennsylvania v Mimms
Outstanding SCC; although I prefer to keep the subject in the car until the last second before I'm getting them out so my partner can drive off with their now impounded vehicle.
Funny, if lil' miss Jenesis had posted a pro-life message, a pro-Trump message or anything remotely critical of BHO, her account would have been closed and her posts expunged. Fakebook is great about "monitoring" its community. But its community must resemble Englewood instead of civilization.
This website says otherwise (it even uses Wikipedia as a source):
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
The most important thing missing is Plummer has been overturned by statue. It is no longer good law in most States'... See Wright at 387-88 (covering the common law rule, 36 of the 50 states prohibited resisting unlawful arrests); see generally Miller, at 953 (only 13 states allow resistance to an unlawful arrest).
The clerics stoke up the mentally deficient and prompt them to do unspeakable acts of violence like cutting off people's heads and burning them alive in cages.
The politicians and the race baiting provocateurs are no different. This half wit girl and the Dallas murderer are perfect examples.
Good point SCC about the Mimms case, but some officers think you need a reason to get someone out of there car, you don't need a reason, if it's a lawful stop, that's the key, lawful stop, Mimms said its ok to get driver out and Maryland v. Wilson says you can get the passengers out, it says " Due to the inherent danger of traffic stops for a police officer, he MAY order the passengers out of a car on any lawful stop" boys and girls these are cases from the US Supreme Court, they gave us the green light to get people out of the car, use it, be smart and hopefully you have supervisors who have balls to back u up, again to be clear. YOU DONT NEED A REASON to get them out, don't have to say I smelled something, he dropped something , if he did that great, if he does nothing you have case law on your side, again be smart and be safe.
7/10/2016 02:44:00 AM
Exactly most cops don't know because of lack of in service training, ive been out of the academy 4 years and now with what i know from the street ive got questions about scenarios that the stupid e-learning can't answer !
Good to read that not all of these social media threats are taken lightly. Wonder if EPPD or which law agency submitted the charges? Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
Re the Chris Rock video - No doubt. Don't really care for the dude but that thing both FUNNY and accurate.
The Academy Suxs Instructors there for over 15 yrs How Fuckin Nice The Clouted
WTF, people still think that AG Holder lied about that POS Brown in Ferguson... Hands up don't shoot is a fairy tale.
Can someone Eric Zorn that oklahoma city bomber was caught due to being stopped for no front plate?
March on Rahms House
Ummm...let's see now. Who was the mayor when the Fenger student was beaten to death near his school? Ahhhh....who was the mayor when the 9 year old was executed in the alley? Well...uh..who was the mayor when the grandpa was with his grandson in the living room about to watch a western when they both got shot thru the window..grandpa fatally. Yowsa.....Who failed to keep the CPD at full strength? Wella.....wella...who was the mayor who arbitrarily closed 50 schools without considering the mainly minority families effected? And..ah....Who was the mayor when the grandmother was killed in front of her house. Come on now......don't be shy. It is time for Black Lives Matter to name Mayor Rham their very first MAN of the YEAR. It's only appropriate.....don't ya think?
I agree with lack of inservice training but this is our jobs. We should know this stuff on our own. We should be keeping up with case law on our own without waiting for someone to spoon feed it to us.
Rudy former mayor of New York and federal prosecutor black lies matter racist! Strange you see the dumb white liberals marching with these thugs, as soon as a black thug jumps them or more police!police! 911 repeatedly:
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/rudy-giuliani-black-lives-matter-is-racist-anti-american/
Then you have a Black El Paso police chief calling this group a "radical hate group!"
http://www.infowars.com/black-el-paso-police-chief-blm-is-a-radical-hate-group/
But yet mayors including rahm let this group obstruct people everywhere! My neighbor had his 3rd garage sale this year a city inspector came and shut him down as he now needed a "permoit" these black lies matter clowns are tying up traffic forcing the city to expend how much manpower and other resources to protect these pos! Like in Dallas the coppers protected this group of troublemakers and were shot, some died this group attracts violence!
How about teh coppers that were bricked,chunks on concrete dropped from overpasses on them, fireworks used as bombs thrown at them! Hopefully some good people get sick of this and use their skill-sets to stop them in anyway necessary!
What irks me most about the current climate is everyone is saying don't blame all protesters for the actions of this one guy........blah,blah, blah.
How then are all of law enforcement to be blamed for the actions of the few? Boggles my mind.
I guess you were noy paying attention to our illustrious mayor when he informed our populas they should not be required to follow lawful orders such as putting your hands on the wheel or you shall exit the car upon officer's instruction. Ain't nobody got time for this! ( sarcasm !)
"Evergreen Park woman says “all I know is if the police stops and request me to get out of the car I’m shooting instantly.”
Can this be put on a database so that it pops up with her name/plate/any contact at all with LE? "Presume armed and dangerous?"
I mean, she said it, not me.
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"Can someone Eric Zorn that the Oklahoma City bomber was caught due to being stopped for no front plate?"
7/10/2016 04:30:00 PM
I don't think it'd make the slightest impression. His running buddies advocate "the end of policing." Period.
Trib wants to see what's pulling into their loading dock, I guess that'll be their lookout, huh? Stuff dripping out around the back door gaskets is just from a case of hummus that got damaged in transit. Small black cylinder with wires in driver's hand is just his nasal hair trimmer, charging off the lighter socket.
Large color photo of Ayatollah wired to radiator grille in front is no excuse, either. You can't "profile" based upon "cultural differences" and "religious preferences," remember?
Just leave it to the dock supervisor. He's got a good sturdy clipboard, right?
The rule of law ended in this country the day the FBI refused to recommend indictment for the obviously guilty Hillary.
It comes down to Freedom of Speech versus Public and Police safety. Is it Hate Speach? Is it yelling Fire in a Movie Theatre? Possibly. Should she be arrested for it? Does anyone get arrested for saying they'll shoot anyone else?
These are questions we should be discussing.
Your title for article “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.was ignorance. Your statement was no one has a right to resist. Problem is the courts do not agree.
'Kill all white cops': At least four arrested in Detroit for Facebook posts praising Dallas shooter and 'urging people to murder police officers'
*Four men were arrested for threatening to kill police officers in Detroit
* One of the suspects praised Dallas gunman Micah Johnson as his 'hero'
* Said fatal shooting of five cops 'inspired me to do the exact same thing'
* Another wrote that: 'It's time to wage war and shoot the police first'
* 'All lives can't matter until black lives matter. Kill all white cops,' wrote a third suspect
* Two were released, while two have been detained on unrelated warrants
* Dorian Ruff claims he was arrested on Saturday for his post on Facebook
* He had posted a picture of Johnson captioned: 'Definitely a black hero'
* Police woud not confirm if Ruff, of Detroit, was one of four suspects
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3684644/Kill-white-cops-Four-arrested-Detroit-Facebook-posts-urging-people-murder-police-officers-aftermath-Dallas-mass-shooting.html
Your statement was no one has a right to resist. Problem is the courts do not agree.
That decision was from 1899. It has since been rescinded by 36 states that passed laws stating the is no "right" to resist, even an unlawful arrest and further court cases have weakened the standing of that decision.
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