Cops Should Work in Schools?
- Regarding police and public relations in Chicago: Would it be such a bad idea to have new recruits work in the neighborhood schools that they will be dispatched to before they take to the streets as official cops? If the police and neighbors have a little history good or bad, it would be a start to getting to know each other better. Maybe the local kids would get to see the better side of police work and learn to respect officers in uniform at an early age. Maybe some of the “problem kids” officers encounter would then be kids they already know. Maybe someone is reading this and cringing and the very idea , but where do we all start out? School.
Um, we all start out at home. Parents are the first teachers. We've seen kids wave to us in the squad cars and get smacked for their troubles more times than we can count. We see momma tell kids, "You better behave or that police will take you away."
We've seen (and written about) a teachers rally in downtown Chicago where a featured speaker told the crowd assembled there, "Fuck the police," and she got cheers. So excuse us if we aren't getting behind this nonsense.
We've seen (and written about) a teachers rally in downtown Chicago where a featured speaker told the crowd assembled there, "Fuck the police," and she got cheers. So excuse us if we aren't getting behind this nonsense.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
53 Comments:
Recruits are not prepared for the super predators as Hillary Clinton calls the youth in black areas that commit serious crime. Marshall, Crane, Fenger???
Not to worry, it is only going to get much much worse before it gets any better. Large chunks of Chicago may become 'No Go Zones' in the not too distant future. And the feds will be nowhere to be found.
Teachers are for the most part, radical women leftists. Who the hell wants to be around that? Oh I know, some gelded male critter of some sort. Just tell me what you want, dear...
Fuck the teachers! They are going to get 13% pay raise over the course of their contract. They are striking because they will have to shoulder increased pension contribution. It's all about the children.
Remember " it takes a village"
Truth be told, there should be nary a
Chicago Policeman posted at these pits
of despair called schools.
Why bother?
The teachers and staff run the little darlings
down to the Police Office to be "disciplined"
for school rule infractions and other silly shit.
"He called me out my name!
Can't you do something about it?"
WTF?
Is there a parent or guardian of record?
The Police aren't Boogie-Men of convenience
to "scare" a six-foot 200 pound fifteen year old
(male and female) who has no fear, no conscience
and is strong as any two men put together...
Then "teechur" comes screaming like a banshee
when the little darling bops her one because she
keeps interrupting their nap during class time.
"YOU'RE THE POLICE! DO SOMETHIIIIING!"
Heh...
That same "teechur" and other school staff will
magically turn into complainant witnesses for
the sure to follow brutality and civil rights
beef against an officer trying to "do something."
Kiss your job, freedom and savings good-bye.
Police in public schools in this day and age
is straight up mission creep since proper school
staffing to deal with these so called children
and their issues has fallen by the wayside
and The Police slid into their place.
Nobody gives a fuck about the implications and potential
peril in this madness but Policemen.
And they're made to pay the disproportionate
price when shit goes sideways.
Cops in schools?
Shit...
It's just like these shady nut-houses who call
The Police whenever a client goes off because
they didn't get their lime jello with
pineapple chunks with their lunch time
pickle loaf & liver-cheese sandwich.
It ain't a Police function and The Police
shouldn't be involved because there are
stipulations for properly trained/licensed
staff to be on hand and handle those situations.
Policemen are trained to hurt people and hurt
them BADLY in hands-on encounters where they
do not yield/desist/submit to secure custody.
Everybody has their mad on so it has become
acceptable to fight The Police back and have
no worry about lawful sanctions.
Amusing, no?
Policemen are targets now because they
have compelling rules to abide by.
Cops Should Work in Schools?
Only if the "problems" in schools
can be attributed to Cops.
Cops didn't break it.
It's way beyond Cops to fix.
Well... That's how
hands-on encounters
"Aren't you guys trained to take them into
custody without hurting them? They're just
CHILDREN for goodness sake! Why do you have
to be so brutal and mean and slam children
to the pavement like that?"
Legs like iron... M/Fers march back and forth to the
conuh sto' all damned night pulling his watch on the tip.
I can see 9.5 getting behind this, and rapidly, too. He'll want this in place in time for coppers to play babysitter while the teachers are out on strike. Then, he'll settle with the CTU using TIF monies he'll suddenly discover hidden under the rug on the 5th floor, and when it comes to settling with you coppers, the teat will be dry.
St. Michael, watch over the CPD. Pay close attention towards behind them, since that's the direction the worst attacks emanate from.
Their idiocy is almost cute . Once again , too much college , not enough high school .
What idiots, new recruits will be on Midnight's when school is not in session.
Look what a dumb idea the impact zones were for recruits after 3 cycles with ftos
CPS Needs no police in schools since the new restorative justice program has been introduced in the last few years . Principals and administrators rule the roost in the buildings and arrest no one gets arrested along with throwing cannabis in the trash . (Makes them and the school look bad) Let your children be battery victims, theft victims and use drugs along with bringing alcohol to school with little to no consequences. Oh and guess what the ACT scores are up and graduation rates at CPS have risen due the above changes of pushing them thru . (Check attendance rates vs graduation rate) Oh the city that works..... Lets check teacher residences more than half the teachers along with many students do not reside within the city in my CPS buliding as required. Oh no don t ask don t tell . Principal and three asst. A/P with there head in the sand and it all looks so good on paper.
By the time they're in school it's already too late for these kids. They've been brainwashed since birth that the evil police are as prevelant as the candyman. I'm sure every officer has waved to a toddler being dragged by an adult, and the second that kid waves back, he or she gets scolded and told not to acknowledge the police. People want to demand what the police should be doing, but it cuts both ways.
More cops in schools??? How about teachers STAY in schools instead of bitching about paying their own pension payments on the sidewalk
If the teachers strike, the teachers should be Fired! Just like President Reagon did to Air Traffic Controllers in the 1980's! Teachers as it is get a great salary and benefits for 9 months of work!
Brand new shinny PPOs would have no clue how to legally handle these rotten, know it all, cant touche me, little pricks. very dumb idea
Recruits need to be on the street.
There's already cops working in schools. Terry Batey, a CPS investigator is working as a full-time counselor at Prosser Career Academy HS.
http://prosseracademy.enschool.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=400579&type=u
Batey should know better to double dip as he investigates other POs.
I have a hard time about stationing police in schools. Here they call them "resource officers." I attended both grammar and high school in Chicago and cannot recall ever seeing a cop patrolling in a school. But then, if my parents or any other parent received a call from a teacher that we misbehaved we would be in big, big trouble.
What have we become??
Is this a revival of the old School Patrol? Remember that "Clouted" Crew? Isn't their former leader the Director of Security at Truman College? Another Arrogant Pretend Intellectual from the Lewis College Diploma Mill. As I recall one of them took a student to her Senior Prom at Lane, and later married her! Since he was clouted he became a Sergeant and later became involved in a major Sexual Harassment Settlement.He was fired, but the City paid out some major money; no big thing, it comes out of the tax-payers pockets. In the military fraternization between the Occupation Forces and Indigenous Populations is discouraged, because it breeds contempt and produces illegitimate births. Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal, Ignore Rahm's Chicago/Wilmette Values.
And don't mess with the high school Teen Queens, or Kings! (Because these days it can go in Several different directions.) Baby"G"
Slightly off topic, but for as much as I dislike Rahm, I hope he breaks the Chicago Teachers Union. (and yes, I know that many of us have relatives, friends and spouses that are teachers), but when they cast their lot with Black Lives Matter they lost me.
A school in the heart of Texas warns that teachers and other staff members may be armed. They haven't had any shooting incidents yet. I wonder why?
>>>>> Pat Kennedy, Mt greenwood || "Maybe someone is reading this and cringing and the very idea , but where do we all start out? School." <<<<<<
Uhhhh...wrong, Pat of Mt Greenwood. We don't all start out in school. We ALL start out in OUR HOME. THAT's where respect for the Police and law and order are taught. Taught by those adults which are called PARENTS. And yes that's not a typo it's plural as in TWO people.
And yes, Pat, I am cringing at what you wrote, and everyone should. You're clueless.
Recruits will get enough opportunity to see how the kids act up without ever stepping foot in a CPS HS. And furthermore the Dept should not take any responsibility away from the CPS (in loco parentis), who often shift blame to us for arresting, manhandling their kids.
Never knew the need for police inside high schools all day long.
They still call for backup when the folks have their act-ups and can't do anything more until that help arrives. Do they still assign 4+ cars for dismissals and do districts still have a designated two man "school car beats" ???
So for many years now it's been a politically directed mismanaged waste of manpower Monday thru Friday, weekends and holidays.
However, bringing a police officer to teach a course to the grade schoolers that included mentoring, would only disrupt the progressive anti police, hands up don't shoot policy of the majority of CPS faculty.
I took the litigation class at the Academy and they showed a vidio on how people feel about the Police,I want to be liked,Im not writing any ticket's,They want us to be nice don't make the City Revenue.
This idea has been done already. School Patrol was a great unit until a CO ruined it. Business was taken care of by CPD school officers and district personnel took care of district issues. It worked! The officers that worked in the Unit knew the kids and handled the issues with total professionalism . But, your sorry ass bosses disbanded the unit. Now see what you have.
I could actually have worked with the Clintons, before they became Super Predators themselves...and before U found out old Bill was a rapist. Oh yeah, an accused rapist (multiple times, though?).
Hillary was dead on with the Super Predator remark. Too bad she is backing down on that now that she is so far into left territory. Anything for a vote, huh?
Any copper that votes for Hillary needs to have his head examined. Have you been paying attention to how she treats the Secret Service and police. I have seen it first hand, and that was on the first go around. She has gotten exponentially worse. They really are an elitist crime family.
They need to hire Cook County Correction Officers. C/O's are much better equipped to deal with institutional type settings. And besides, C/O's will be seeing them shortly after graduation.
Alicia Garza, founder of BLM, spoke at the U of C this week. In response to a question from the audience about what black families can do to better the opportunities of their children, she said it is not the responsibility of the families to do this. It's up to the state. So, while everything starts at home for the majority of the population, not everyone shares your belief. While BLM is quickly losing its legitimacy, it's unfortunate that large populations on the south and west sides believe this and will listen to whatever BLM has to say.
Here is the link to the whole "discussion": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9-mACdR2Cw#action=share. The question is at about the 1:00:00 mark.
Also, at about the 15:00 Garza begins laying out her case for abolishing the police in favor of...harm free zones. Because our gun free zones are working so well.
Thanks for all the men and women in Blue do!
Their idiocy is almost cute . Once again , too much college , not enough high school
I think it's too much college and NO real knowledge
Yea sure brilliant idea? Nope not even close! Everything starts with the concept of "parenting" the police are tasked with so much it's overwhelming the thing that the pro-police Donald Trump states we love the police and "law and order" if children are taught the biblical rules of "obedience" this problem would vanish quickly!
I grew up in police family and mom was a nurse.
If I was a smart mouth to any person of authority I would have been cracked in the face. By either parent.
When I graduated from high school I went into the Marine Corps and learned why not to be a smart mouth.
separated from Corps as Staff Sgt and went back to school until CPD offered me a job.
You do not have to agree with my up bringing. But after 30 yes on the job I still say, yes sir when addressing anyone
guess it was the training.
But to see the way work has turned on us I See Why. No correction for misconduct as a child or young adult.
Being a white teacher in the hood is insane. Pollice are hated even more than whites in ghetto schools.
That was my experience,
Someone commented the schools all the Police, say what?
No that is not the case.
You can call them if a student assaults you. Police have no time for small stuff.
The principal is to do the disciplining but does not.
The old line is used..."you are not black, therefore, you cannot understand us,"
White Teachers are beaten, noses broken coats and purses stolen, and kids wreck their cars,
The police are not called.
I resigned, I could take no more name calling and assaults or being shot at,
Not all teachers are there for the mpney...I hoped to make a difference. I did not.
I moved to San Francisco and taught in Chinatown. The kids were awesome and respectful,
I only found that in schools on the North Side of Chicago! Bless all of you in Chicago. Stay Safe!
Pollice in CPS will only create more hostility. The hood hates Police,
Well that's one way to lower the new police officers' morale before they even get going good. To learn that as bad as the future thugs are already as school "kids", it can only get worse.
And surely I'm not the only one who can already hear the teachers and administrators preparing the future thugs to learn to "f the police", and call it brutality. They already can't be disciplined by the schools, what will the police be able to do, when they're already vilified merely for defending themselves?
How about this for education? "FBI making film for Illinois teens how to behave on traffic stops"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-fbi-video-illinois-teens-traffic-stops-20161001-story.html
FBI involved? Our teens in Illinois really must lack parents?
".... Parents are the first teachers. We've seen kids wave to us in the squad cars and get smacked for their troubles more times than we can count. We see momma tell kids, "You better behave or that police will take you away."
About twenty-five years ago when I was a Sergeant in 017 I was picking up some ballpoint pens and other supplies in Target. A woman with a young boy in hand said "You see that policeman he takes bad children away."
I said to her loud enough for everyone around to hear was, " What you should be telling him ma'am is that if he is lost or hurt and he can't find you this uniform or that police car is what he should be looking for."
"Well," she started to babble, "I didn't mean.."
"That is what you said."
I wrote the incident up, signed it with my name, rank and district and sent it to the Sun-Times and they published it as a Letter to the Editor.
That little boy must be thirty-something now.
I wonder what he what he might be teaching his kids.
We need to speak up more for ourselves because a whole generation is growing up with "blm" and Grand Theft Auto as their heroes.
Ive been working security at CPS for 14-15yrs.as a side job. WTF do the recruits know about lip service and handling problems that arise? ZERO! That's why they get field trained bt fto's to get some sesame street experience. They'll look like wallflowers in uniform. Bad idea.
SCC, try to keep track of all these layers: the IAD sergeant who purposely tanked the investigation into the lieutenant exam cheating scandal by closing the whole thing out with a paragraph saying he didn't see nothing after the cheaters were told not to meet at work was rewarded with a golden blindfold by Eddie Welch. He gets assigned to medical integrity and starts making thousands in OT for "surveillances". Only problem is IAD still has a few honest people who didn't get the memo from Welch and Johnson to take care of their guy. So his car gets GPSd and turns out while doing all these thousands of dollars of surveillance OT he was actually doing...nothing. Welch is informed and guess what happens to the guy who took care of the supe's girlfriend? Fired like the kids who happened to back up Van Dyke? Arrested? Call back like officers stripped by Eddie for incidents that happened a decade ago? If you guessed reassigned to IAD HQ to lay low for awhile you guessed right. 2 sets of rules at CPD. Get with the program and get taken care of. Eddie Welch and Eddie Johnson have no integrity. God save CPD.
Does that mean it should be like 21 Jump Street or something?
We might as well teach them too! If they get what they want because of a strike threat. I'll happily allow our inspectors aid with residency and parking lot checks
Sure... And as soon as an officer has to stop a fight or protect a teacher... All chaos. How can an officer be so mean to a child? The PPOs will lose their job so fast. Karen Lewis would be first in line to say how bad the police are to her criminal students. Some schools request no police be in the school at all
Anonymous said...
There's already cops working in schools. Terry Batey, a CPS investigator is working as a full-time counselor at Prosser Career Academy HS.
http://prosseracademy.enschool.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=400579&type=u
Batey should know better to double dip as he investigates other POs.
10/01/2016 08:08:00 AM
Batey is a CPD Investigator, not CPS Investigator
Anonymous said...
".... Parents are the first teachers. We've seen kids wave to us in the squad cars and get smacked for their troubles more times than we can count. We see momma tell kids, "You better behave or that police will take you away."
About twenty-five years ago when I was a Sergeant in 017 I was picking up some ballpoint pens and other supplies in Target. A woman with a young boy in hand said "You see that policeman he takes bad children away."
I said to her loud enough for everyone around to hear was, " What you should be telling him ma'am is that if he is lost or hurt and he can't find you this uniform or that police car is what he should be looking for."
"Well," she started to babble, "I didn't mean.."
"That is what you said."
I wrote the incident up, signed it with my name, rank and district and sent it to the Sun-Times and they published it as a Letter to the Editor.
That little boy must be thirty-something now.
I wonder what he what he might be teaching his kids.
We need to speak up more for ourselves because a whole generation is growing up with "blm" and Grand Theft Auto as their heroes.
10/01/2016 07:40:00 PM
The above is true.
Good to hear from you,L.C.
Hope you're doing well.
I absolutely love the mixed messages posted here. The recruits couldn't handle the kids, the teachers are libral cop haters, cops don't have the capacity to help control schools, kids aren't arrested for drugs (because most cops refuse to arrest for this), bring in CO's...
Yet, in the same breath I see posts all over this blog about fire the teachers because act scores and test scores and stupid kids in cps and teachers not producing... You can hate the CTU for the stance on the McDonald cover and page may. (Page may is not cps or CTU)
You are mostly advocating to keeping new recruits out of schools as well as all police. I get it, your frustrated, but how do you expect the teachers to reach with this type of stuff going on in schools. Teachers can get sued and fired for having to go hands on with kids too.
The difference, you guys have a badge and a gun, you swore and oath to serve and protect, and you have the authority to act when called upon. I know times are different now, but you have to do your job regardless of what people think about you.
That's why you signed up for this job. People hurt my feelings and bad guys sue me and teachers don't like us is not a reason to not do your job. Grow up.
Teachers are going on strike because they are trying to take our health care benefits and pension pick up. Our working conditions are the kids learning conditions and are self explanatory as most of you have seen the schools and the home lives of these angels.
That 13% "raise" that keeps getting mentioned is not a raise at all when the health care cost and pension pick up cuts the take home pay by 12%. It may be a 1% raise over the life of the contract, that doesn't cover cost of living in this city. There are very few teachers that do not live in this city as well. I know 4 out of 264 that I have worked with. Again, grow up and project your anger where it is needed.
Not only Karen Lewis would be the first in line to say how bad the police officers are to her but Jadine Chou, Chief of School Safety and Security. She's been seen meeting with CPD brass at Police Headquarters trying to get certain school police officers disciplined for allegedly roughing up some of these bad students. What do you do when you're trying to cuff a student who assaulting a Police officer, a student or a school administrator? You need to use Police tactics to prevent the aggressor from hurting someone else or the Police Officer. Jadine Chou recommends implementing a peace cirle (restorative justice BS) for this hard core gang banging student who doesn't care about life. Ms Chou, what are Police Officers to do when you have an aggressive student compromising the safety of other students or staff? Think about it thoroughly! Our Police Officers at the schools have to deal with these type of students but the policies in place that protects these student from being arrested. Stop reaching out to the brass to advocate disciplining our officers but spend some time at the hard core problem schools and see what it's like to work at a school as resource officer! The CPS Security Officers at the schools are a joke! They don't support the schools or students in need.
"Fired like the kids who happened to back up Van Dyke?"
Revisionist History, Van Dyk was the 8th car on the scene when he decided to cap off 16 rounds
@ 10/02/2016 09:21:00 AM
"I absolutely love the mixed messages posted here. The recruits couldn't handle the kids, the teachers are libral cop haters, cops don't have the capacity to help control schools, kids aren't arrested for drugs..."
Yes to all of the above.
So what?
"Yet, in the same breath I see posts all over this blog about fire the teachers because act scores and test scores and stupid kids in cps and teachers not producing... You can hate the CTU for the stance on the McDonald cover and page may."
You teachers CHEERED that lunatic!
There was no strong directed rebuttal to her rhetoric.
"You are mostly advocating to keeping new recruits out of schools as well as all police. I get it, your frustrated, but how do you expect the teachers to reach with this type of stuff going on in schools. Teachers can get sued and fired for having to go hands on with kids too."
Policemen can get sued, fired and put in prison as surely as a
political hack Cook County judge deliberately finds for no
probable cause to arrest and shit-cans any arrest of a cps student.
Then the DOJ/ACLU will have those same Policemen up on violating
little darling's rights... Policemen can get sued, fired and imprisoned
but you grind an axe because they're trying to protect themselves from YOU
and those horrid kids you're "teaching?"
"The difference, you guys have a badge and a gun, you swore and oath to serve and protect, and you have the authority to act when called upon. I know times are different now, but you have to do your job regardless of what people think about you."
Awww... You teachers are just pissed because Policemen are refusing
to be your cover and shield anymore. No Policeman in their right mind
is going to take an administrative or legal lick to protect YOU from
what's in YOUR classrooms.
You people LOVE to hide behind, "You swore an oath to protect and serve"
now that you see Policemen are leaving you on your #blm island.
You have a beef with your employer not hiring professional
people to deal with your students...
"That's why you signed up for this job. People hurt my feelings and bad guys sue me and teachers don't like us is not a reason to not do your job. Grow up."
Grow up?
You're employing blame and shame because The Police have adjusted to
the new realities in public schools?
Policemen signed up for other stuff than trying to parent and
discipline the wild-assed, self raised children who aren't ours.
You teachers signed up because you "love" these children so
much so stop looking toward Policemen to be your personal
boogie men when these little darlings tell you to get stuffed...
That 13% "raise" that keeps getting mentioned is not a raise at all when the health care cost and pension pick up cuts the take home pay by 12%. It may be a 1% raise over the life of the contract, that doesn't cover cost of living in this city. There are very few teachers that do not live in this city as well. I know 4 out of 264 that I have worked with. Again, grow up and project your anger where it is needed.
10/02/2016 09:21:00 AM
The 13% raise, which would go towards each teacher's own pension pickup and increased health care costs, would allow teachers to not be cut what they're bringing home right now. Forget about a raise, they should be lucky to have a job. CPS teachers are making the 2nd most maximum and minimum salaries of all the major US cities, only NYC's teachers are paid more. And, before the 2012 strike CPS teachers were working the shortest school day and year of all major US cities but Houston.
That 7% pickup was a gift Daley kept giving teachers over and over since 1981, just like those 325 unused sick days teachers used bank for a one-time payout and to enhance their own pension by as much as $5K/year.
BTW: there's way more t5eachers and administrators living outside Chicago than you would think, including 13 CPS APs getting residency waivers and their area isn't a need basis, which allows them to get a waiver.
www.copsarenotheproblem.com
Policemen signed up for other stuff than trying to parent and
discipline the wild-assed, self raised children who aren't ours.
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Really? Chasing bad guys and enforcing the law never crossed your mind. Just "other stuff". Students breaking laws in public schools are not enforceable? No no I get it. Your right. I hope at some point you were the police. If you can't do your job anymore, maybe it's time to move on.
"...The above is true.
Good to hear from you, L.C.
Hope you're doing well.
10/02/2016 09:10:00 AM"
Thanks, I am and hope you are too, but it is S.C.
We should have a 17th District Old Timers Reunion.
Maybe at the Thai Restaurant that was the our old station.
A lot of memories there.
Stay Safe
"The difference, you guys have a badge and a gun, you swore and oath to serve and protect, and you have the authority to act when called upon. I know times are different now, but you have to do your job regardless of what people think about you."
Not true... we take an oath to both Consituitions... in writing and verbal. So you fail today's epistemology lesson.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Policemen signed up for other stuff than trying to parent and
discipline the wild-assed, self raised children who aren't ours.
--
Really? Chasing bad guys and enforcing the law never crossed your mind. Just "other stuff". Students breaking laws in public schools are not enforceable? No no I get it. Your right. I hope at some point you were the police. If you can't do your job anymore, maybe it's time to move on.
10/02/2016 10:22:00 PM
You spout a lot about what somebody else
is "sworn" to do. What is YOUR contribution
to fixing the mess YOU'RE in?
YOU chose to teach these horrid children.
The one who needs to do a career re-assessment
IS YOU!
No sympathy here.
Go away... Policemen are talking about surviving.
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