"Reshaping" the Office
- Newly elected Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx detailed her plans Monday for shaping the second-largest prosecutor's office in the country, including creating a gun crimes unit and revamping the team that reviews potentially wrongful convictions.
[...] In an interview with a Chicago Tribune reporter in her corner office on the 32nd floor of a Loop high-rise, Foxx said her office is looking at its authority to investigate police shootings and not wait for months or years while the Independent Police Review Authority completes its investigation.
Danger!!! BIG DANGER!!!
- "We're looking at our authority to go in immediately like with the other cases, collect evidence and do a parallel investigation so ... that we get results in a timelier fashion," she said. "Waiting for secondhand information to come after the completion of an investigation by another agency and then reviewing their work months later, I don't think necessarily gives us the best results."
Best results? Or best political result?
You think we're joking?
You think we're joking?
It's already here.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Having worked with ASA's for decades I can say that the ones that are initially sent out couldn't find nor the difference between their ass and their brains. And some of the political hack supervisors, looking to advance or run for office, are no better.
We are so fucked from every angle. God help the CPD.
Holy fuck! THOSE are the two top law enforcers in cook county? This place is so screwed. I wish I could post an image of an Indian Brave with a tear running down his cheek. It is over my friends. OVER.
Isn't that what they did in Baltimore? How did that work out in the Freddie Gray case? 0 for 6 and looking like idiots.
Lil Kim in da house!!!!
You could have elected Pfannekuchen Hus, but no....
Forget Baltimore, Chicago is going to be Detroit.
Things look even grimmer for the CPD. This is where a strong proactive union is essential.
Don't worry, Special Ed has your back!
That pension is looking less and less likely?
Yep I'm happy. I'll keep doing my Cross Word Puzzle book while I'm working and will be part of the system that is taking place. Do Nothing and get Paid for doing nothing. Let the Community Police themselves. Seems that's what the Community is demanding and Kim Foxx wants. Remember being proactive will make the community reactive. The Community has adapted to killing off their Children and anyone from within the Community. Lets knock down the Jail and build a bigger Morgue.
Staying FETAL is the only way.
You can still back up other (smart) officers on calls but all that proactive stuff? Well, let's just say the more proactive you are the more risk you take of something happening. And when that something happens, you WILL be guilty until proven innocent, you WILL be stripped and treated unfairly and you WILL be made the example.
If you get into a shooting, you call for an ambulance for yourself, and wait at the hospital for FOP. No exceptions.
She is a sicko. Lack of experience shows once your in the game.
Let's wait-and-see what Cook County comes up with. Maybe she is some real Clarence Darrow or F. Lee Bailey who will amaze us and create a real top-notch professional office.
Then again, maybe she might be just another over-promoted, political hack who should NOT be in charge of anything more than the Mr. Coffee in the office.
I reserve judgement. I'll wait-and-see and look at her actual performance on the job.
BUT - if ANY of you got offended by my blunt remark, let me clarify...
UNLIKE in the National perspective of the last 8 years where you were called a "Racist", Bigot, or "Misogynist" or whatever, if you even questioned any poor decisions, poor performance, and bad judgement by those who were clearly incompetent or galactically clueless, TODAY is a new day!
People are going to be measured by their competence and actions and held to a professional yardstick. If they "don't measure up" - then they will be called what they should be called - INCOMPETENT and a "poor match for the job."
No more sugar-coated, politically-correct euphemisms.
Incompetence is not a color or race or gender classification. It's not "Racist" to call someone incompetent. IF you think it is - YOU'RE the BIGOTED RACIST.
So if you are going to try to LABEL me and attempt to "Classify"or stereotype me into some segment, you can label me "Professional".
Professional is not a race, gender, or ethnic group. Professionals are those who do their job and do it well.
Just as anyone in any race and/or gender can be designated a Professional, they can also be designated incompetent if they fail at doing a good job.
Next case.
She can start with all the chicago politicians starting with manigan.
It's funny how Chicago politicians question President-elect Trump's experience meanwhile they put Kim Foxx in office.
Id admit I'd rather the Sup have a good relationship with the states attorney then a pissing match. Who knows we shall see
I'm guessing they will parallel investigate a solemn pledge to vote da machine instead of incarceration...
SCC - For a long time, the State's Attorney's executive office was in the Daley Center. Now she's in an office on the 32nd floor of what loop office building? 69 W Washington? If we are renting her office space when there's the County Bldg, Daley Center, & 69 W Washington - we are already getting screwed by Prickwrinkle's flunky!
Retired .38 spl + P
"We're looking at our authority to go in immediately like with the other cases, collect evidence and do a parallel investigation..."
Who are they kidding? They probably CI more cases than they approve.
Brings me back to a comment I read the other day:
Guys, just hold the racist nonsense and allow her to do her job. If she begins to target the Police unfairly then you MAY have a grievance, but lets wait and see. Most of all do not underestimate this woman, she may surprise you.
12/02/2016 08:00:00 PM
this guy gets it!
Boy are we F.... Reminds me of the scene with Charlton Heston at the end of the movie Planet of the Apes when he saw the Statue of Liberty.
Remember, if it's the SAO asking the questions, YOU SAY NOTHING! Refuse to answer, get a lawyer. This could be better than you think.
Nothing about a "Political Integrity Unit" though? Huh. We must be good on that front then.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC - For a long time, the State's Attorney's executive office was in the Daley Center. Now she's in an office on the 32nd floor of what loop office building? 69 W Washington? If we are renting her office space when there's the County Bldg, Daley Center, & 69 W Washington - we are already getting screwed by Prickwrinkle's flunky!
Retired .38 spl + P
12/06/2016 02:42:00 AM
She is at 69 W. Washington and at 26th St. no rented high rise, yet.
If she just charges 1 policeman in 4 yrs she can say , see I charged a cop with a crime, and the black and brown people will buy it
Its over Johnny !
You missed this:
"Alvarez consistently put politics ahead of the interests of justice, and I believe Kim Foxx when she says she is going to change that," said Jon Loevy, one of the city's top civil rights lawyers. (But Trib fails to note Arthur Loevy a top 10 Foxx contributor, see https://illinoissunshine.org/committees/31640/ )
Also:
Foxx has turned to Harvard Law professor Ronald Sullivan Jr. to reorganize the office's conviction integrity unit, created by Alvarez in 2012. The conviction review unit Sullivan created and ran for the Brooklyn, N.Y., district attorney's office has an independent advisory panel staffed by outside attorneys that issues nonbinding recommendations on whether convictions should be dismissed. (Can't wait to see which outside attorneys will be on this panel).
I would rather have a person who passed the bar exam look at and investigate a shooting then a person from copa.
I think i'm going to start leaving my gun at home. Dodging rounds and taking cover seem to be way less risky then actually firing my weapon. This State Attorney sounds like a public defender. No word yet on how they plan to address actual crime from actual criminals, no lets make going after the police job one.
I'm done, they can have this place.
It's as if most of us didn't even realize that it was happening, but it's pretty clear that we have created a society where anytime a non-black person says anything critical of a black person, it's immediately labeled "RACIST" and everyone in the community and the media piles on and concludes that the non-black person is, in fact, a racist, because a black person said it to be so. "Racist" is quickly becoming one of the most over used and misapplied words in the English language. Let's have a teachable moment, shall we. If Johnny refuses to sit in a room with a black person solely because he has dislike for any person who is black, Johnny is a racist. On the other hand, if Johnny is a citizen that is familiar with criminal justice policy and has half a brain and criticizes Kim Foxx's ideas because he thinks she is taking the wrong approach on criminal justice policy but could care less about her race or gender, Johnny is not a racist or a misogynist. Doesn't mean that Johnny is right in his approach either. Just means that he disagrees with another person. If Kim Foxx or anyone else calls Johnny a racist for disagreeing with Kim Foxx, that person is a racist and a bigot and is likely just an asshole too.
It's a brilliant defensive move for anyone in the black community to keep their racist label maker hair trigger ready. That way they can escape any and all criticism from anyone as they proceed to fuck anything and everything up. It certainly explains by Toni Preckwinkle gets a total pass from the media when, in the name of fiscal responsibility, she raises taxes and fees year after year after year. Who would dare oppose her? The same will be true with the new State's Attorney. And God knows, everyone in that office is scared shitless that if they don't hop aboard the Foxx train of criminal justice dismantlement, they will be dismantled themselves.
Time to move to a state with lower taxes, public safety and better weather. Let the liberals destroy. They can't be stopped at this point.
When asked for statement, Foxx said: "we'll give em a fair trial, and then hang them.
Hold on is that evidence?
Let me call my supervisor!
you ever notice that felony approval only comes from some supervisor you never see and is listed NO where in any report.
Maybe I could get that ASA who was arrested in the sex shop snafu up north to be my representation. Yes yes she's the one I choose. Are they going threw all her old cases and letting people out due to shit representation.
There will be leaks" a go go on these plans - you know that.
Kabrini Foxx will protect her fellow democrats and is beholden to the twerp rahm for her position...
Start a petition and letter writing campaign to our new head of the DOJ to send in an apolitical and effective hoard of investigators to "drain the swamp" here in cook co.
After all, Trump promised law and order. God knows it has been lost here. This city ran better when the outfit was ordering the little king, Daley the first and his ass-kisser aldershit around. Now,we are at the mercy of the criminally insane.
disaster waiting to happen. This county just handed over that office to prickwenekle or whatever her name is. Now she controls the PD and states attorney. Already has Dart in her pocket and tried to run someone against Evans. That thing has to go. Hopefully by her election people will still want to get rid of the status quo because she's god awful. whatever mistakes foxx makes, and it's coming, lay at the door of her puppet master. dumb ass voters.
"Guys, just hold the racist nonsense and allow her to do her job. If she begins to target the Police unfairly then you MAY have a grievance, but lets wait and see. Most of all do not underestimate this woman, she may surprise you."
--FU Cliff
I'm not the police, and I've been saying this for a long time; if you can leave the scene in a shooting do it. The new State Attorney is after anyone in a shooting incident and Concealed to Carry people will be a target also.
I can see it now, SA investigators are the prosecution witnesses and CPD Detectives are the defense witnesses. SA investigators will be up on the stand trying to sell a F'd up investigation to a Judge and jury while CPD Detectives are trying to explain the correct way an investigation should be handled. Stay fetal my friends!
"Brings me back to a comment I read the other day:" on 12/02
She is part of the CCDP. (Not Russia) She won because of an incredibly stupid electorate; the same fools you see sitting on County juries. You think WE are under estimating this woman and she may surprise us?
she said. "Waiting for secondhand information to come after the completion of an investigation by another agency and then reviewing their work months later, I don't think necessarily gives us the best results."
Umm, is that her JOB? Isn't that what prosecutors do? What she going to do? Hire investigators and put them through an academy? Doesn't Cook county do that already?
You're screwed. This is Obama's daughter. Anything you do is wrong. You shoot someone, circumstances don't matter, you're wrong and the state will send reps to the funeral to express condolences. You're wrong and you're screwed.
Wait and see? Who's going to be first? Submit a 10, 20 year old case and watch it be picked apart until charges can be filed against an Officer somewhere.
Racist? Maybe. Race realist? Definitely.
Stay safe Officers.
J.J.
and revamping the team that reviews potentially wrongful convictions.
Will she charge the prosecutor too? The judge? The jury members also? Or just the detective? Lots of fingers in the pie. Who is she to pick the bad one?
Then lets give them ALL the felony investigations, Gun offenses, burglary, robbery, murder, thefts, frauds, domestic violence upgrades, traffic upgrades, ALL OF IT.
ADIOS SOCIETY!!!
I don't remember her whatsoever from felony review, felony trials etc.
was she a working ASA?
Maybe one of you lawyers or union people can answer this. When can a police officer say they wish to remain silent and refuse to answer questions when they are involved in a shooting? Are we required to talk to the States Attorney?
It's funny how Chicago politicians question President-elect Trump's experience meanwhile they put Kim Foxx in office.
Id admit I'd rather the Sup have a good relationship with the states attorney then a pissing match. Who knows we shall see
12/06/2016 01:23:00 AM
But how's is their relationship with you?
can you imagine shooting someone when you're positive you saw a gun, but it wasn't a gun? Iknow this question has been asked repeatedly, Nothing new. The ignorant public equates that with the shithead who gets out of bed, grabs his gun, and then sets out to shoot someone. Different mindset entirely - we all know that. Does Kim Foxx know that?
Why the fuck am I on this job again??
The quote of her speaking reveals she doesn't speak proper English, but a modern form of Cabrini Green English....
No doubt crime will rise, "low-level" felony charges will be rejected, lots of "nolle pros" at court, etc., etc., ad infinitum ......
One term and she will run for mayor.....
Brings me back to a comment I read the other day:
Guys, just hold the racist nonsense and allow her to do her job. If she begins to target the Police unfairly then you MAY have a grievance, but lets wait and see. Most of all do not underestimate this woman, she may surprise you.
12/02/2016 08:00:00 PM
this guy gets it!
12/06/2016 04:27:00 AM
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Wow, you have a real short memory.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Cook-County-States-Attorney-Candidate-Kim-Foxx-Fined-After-Violating-Campaign-Finance-Law-370673791.html
Cook County state’s attorney candidate Kim Foxx was fined nearly $20,000 Monday by the Illinois State Board of Elections after missing a variety of deadlines for filing campaign disclosure forms and failing to report a substantial donation from Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle.
She can break the law and get a fine. Taxwinkle probably covered it. But she is gonna drop the hammer on you. Ain't Crook County grand?
I already have a pretty good idea who Kim Foxx is
That brings the total Foxx has received from Preckwinkle’s fund to more than $301,000 – including $25,000 for a 2015 poll that the Foxx campaign didn’t initially report, a violation of state law. Earlier this week the Illinois State Board of Elections fined the Foxx campaign more than $19,000 for that and other infractions. Foxx’s campaign plans to appeal.
The campaign of incumbent Anita Alvarez slammed Foxx for being a “puppet” of Preckwinkle’s and accused the county board president of funneling money from county contractors.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/kim-foxx-receives-250k-donation-from-tpreckwinkle/
Kim Foxx=Kim Fo-Double Cross.
For those of you too dense to know where Foxx is going with this
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519
After the Louisiana and Mississippi races, Soros next piled money into two of the biggest jurisdictions in the country: Houston’s Harris County (his lone losing effort so far) and Chicago’s Cook County, where he funded one of several groups that helped Kim Foxx defeat incumbent state’s attorney Anita Alvarez in a high-profile primary campaign dominated by the 13-month delay between the police shooting of Laquan McDonald and the indictment of the police officer involved.
And who is George Soros? Only a sugar daddy to BLM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/16/hacked-soros-memo-baltimore-riots-provide-unique-opportunity-reform-police/
George Soros’s Open Society Institute viewed the 2015 Baltimore unrest following the death of Freddie Gray as opening a “unique opportunity” to create “accountability” for the Baltimore police while aiding activists in reforming the city, according to hacked documents reviewed by Breitbart Jerusalem.
The documents further confirm that the Open Society last year approved $650,000 to “invest in technical assistance and support for the groups at the core of the burgeoning #BlackLivesMatter movement."
You get into a shooting say NOTHING until you have a lawyer with. For some reason these aldermen and ASA think we don't have the same rights as everyone else
That picture of Johnson embracing Foxx appears to have the Ralph Kramden to Alice subtitle, "Baby, you're the greatest!"
Personally, I'd prefer... "Pow, Zoom right in the kisser!"
So in an officer involved shooting it is going to be investigated by the department (or outside agency like State law says ) And COPA. And CCSAO,
All tripping over each other. Interviewing the same witnesses. How do they decide who gets to collect what evidence?
Also if/when the outside department arrive on scene is officer required to speak with them? Would Miranda rights be required?
If ASAP wants to talk, are Miranda rights required?
Anonymous said...
Brings me back to a comment I read the other day:
Guys, just hold the racist nonsense and allow her to do her job. If she begins to target the Police unfairly then you MAY have a grievance, but lets wait and see. Most of all do not underestimate this woman, she may surprise you.
12/02/2016 08:00:00 PM
this guy gets it!
12/06/2016 04:27:00 AM
LOL ..Foxy is the proxy for Taxwinkle, her sponsor and other Democrat hacks ..Forget what Fox says ..pay attention to what her boss has said
Anita . x10 ?
If they are going to immediately begin a criminal investigation that invalidates departmental requirements to make statements after a shooting
You plead the fifth and stay seated until your attorney arrives.
What do you expect from this office anyway? Most are graduates from John Marshall Junior College of Law. And take a job that pays 40k a year after dropping 200k on tuition. If they were good lawyers they wouldn't be working for the county. But that's all they could get based on the school they went to. The incompetence continues.
Rumor has it she wants to nail 30 corrupt police in the next thirty months! This is her number one priority! How about the hundreds of murderers of the 1300 killed in cook county! Hey Kimmy any interest in prosecuting the murderers,
Cabrini Kim WILL get "da communerty"
their revenge against The Police and
against everybody else who isn't THEM...
If you "Silent Majority" law abiding,
good citizenship practicing, tax-payer types
are thinking you're going to somehow be
above all danger and harm, and that
The Police are going to be the only ones
getting cooked in the "restorative justice"
pot, you all are in for a truly nasty surprise.
It's ALL about settling scores and taking
the heads of as many constructive and
contributing members of the same civilized
society Cabrini Kim and her supporters
have nursed a grudge against.
"We can't rise to y'alls level so we
gonna bust y'all down to equality
with US!"
It IS the strategy of those who are funding
the likes of Kim Foxx, the ACLU, #blm
and others to weaken traditional American
institutions from within...
Jerry Springer was there to the right of Special Ed! He must have been filming the clown fest of Kim and Ed!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Holy fuck! THOSE are the two top law enforcers in cook county? This place is so screwed. I wish I could post an image of an Indian Brave with a tear running down his cheek. It is over my friends. OVER.
12/06/2016 12:09:00 AM
NOTHING IS OVER!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC - For a long time, the State's Attorney's executive office was in the Daley Center. Now she's in an office on the 32nd floor of what loop office building? 69 W Washington? If we are renting her office space when there's the County Bldg, Daley Center, & 69 W Washington - we are already getting screwed by Prickwrinkle's flunky!
Retired .38 spl + P
12/06/2016 02:42:00 AM
The County bought the BRunswick Building a long time ago. Remember the fire department screw up there?
https://www.emporis.com/buildings/116843/cook-county-administration-building-chicago-il-usa
He does not have his stars straight what a disgrace.
For almost the past 8 years we've seen the Fundamentally Changed America.
How is it working out so far?
It's safe to proclaim Chicago has now entered the final stages of collapse.
KimbWrinkle is rehashing the old Gun Court ideas again, still a PrickWrinkle thorn because it's all about the browns peoples.
What's certain is the all-out get the police mandate, especially the white racist ones.
Does anyone know what the qualifications are for incoming ASA's, and what personal criteria must be met?
Heard a rumor that your interview had to be "sensitive" to the community defendants.
Does that requirement still exist?
I'd be very careful to engage in any of the many ghetto affairs that could potentially lead to loss of some or all of your employment.
Coming before a crooked Cook County prosecutorial system with senile, appointed judiciary is going to be slam dunk for their agenda. If a $1.5 million bond is not excessive while waiting years for a trial on top of legal and living expenses, then go for it, hard charger.
Love the hairhat!
You want the sup and her to have a good relationship? They sure do have a great relationshi, they both have the same agenda: Strip, fire and prosecute. The new world order agenda.
"We're looking at our authority to go in immediately like with the other cases, collect evidence and do a parallel investigation so ... that we get results in a timelier fashion," she said. "Waiting for secondhand information to come after the completion of an investigation by another agency and then reviewing their work months later, I don't think necessarily gives us the best results."
Isn't that how Baltimore did the Freddie Gray fiasco? Their States Attorney went 0 for 6! Now she is being sued for violating the civil rights of the police.
They are going to collect and hold the evidence? Where, how, when, and why?
If they are trying to jam you up, remind your lawyers about three little words, "Chain of Custody."
How about "reshaping this idiots office tommy dart again opens his pie hole:
Asked about Mount Greenwood, Sheriff Dart says 'there's racism everywhere'
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chicagoinc/ct-tom-dart-mount-greenwood-1207-chicago-inc-20161206-story.html
So your admitting that Mount Greenwood is racist? WTF are you trying to say kid?
Dont worry though tommy started a hotline for hate crime:
Dart pointed out that he started a hotline last week for hate crimes, although he said that was more in response to the fear of hate crimes against Muslims since the presidential election.
Hey excuse me asshole, isn't every crime a "hate crime?" Dude gets shot in the face is that a "love crime!" Tommy your just another pandering for votes coward, typical scared liberal how many bodyguards do you have? do your children have drivers also? You were never the police, have you ever been involved with an arrest of a violent offender? Another pathetic excuse for a so called man, now get a ballerina outfit like your buddy and have a dance off!
Are you involved also with violating federal laws protecting the illegal invaders also? lawman LOL!
the three stooges rahm special and fox , and lets produce a movie called "dumb dumbmer amd dumbest
Anonymous said...
Brings me back to a comment I read the other day:
Guys, just hold the racist nonsense and allow her to do her job. If she begins to target the Police unfairly then you MAY have a grievance, but lets wait and see. Most of all do not underestimate this woman, she may surprise you.
12/02/2016 08:00:00 PM
this guy gets it!
12/06/2016 04:27:00 AM
Thank You!
what the Fuck is Jerry Springer doing there!?
Remember I-bonds for everybody so who cares if they get convicted.
Looks like Winnie Mandela and Eddie Amin Dada.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Brings me back to a comment I read the other day:
Guys, just hold the racist nonsense and allow her to do her job. If she begins to target the Police unfairly then you MAY have a grievance, but lets wait and see. Most of all do not underestimate this woman, she may surprise you.
12/02/2016 08:00:00 PM
this guy gets it!
12/06/2016 04:27:00 AM
I'm happy you see everything in a shiny beautiful light under a glorious rainbow, but so far she reminds me a lot of the militant police hater Mosby in Baltimore. She (Foxx) is horrifically under qualified as a lawyer, beholden Preckwinkle, the machine and its scumbag politicians. Her first point of order is to attempt to overstep her office's power to diminish the system that provides Police Officers due process?? She is addressing 1/10th of one percent of the homicides in Chicago by focusing on Police involved Shootings.....(lets face it white/latino officers shooting a black offender) That sounds extremely political to me. Willing to throw P/O's under the bus to appeases activists &politicians hoping for reelection by pushing a false narrative. I envision "Stay Fetal" reaching a whole new level as a result of her being elected blindly for running as a machine democrat, not as the best most competent candidate for the job. I will give her benefit of the doubt with a short leash, but i've been 90% right in the past when my Spidey senses are tingling about someone like this taking over a political spot.
ASAs can't investigate their own cases. They can't wear two hats. They cannot investigate and prosecute the same case. If they choose to do so they no longer have prosecutorial immunity. Just ask Marilyn Mosby. The lawsuits filed against her by those officers that were railroaded is based on piercing her immunity.
However, if she passes the case off to another "special prosecutor" she may be able to investigate these cases. My advice, don't say a word and request a lawyer.
For other officers on this blog saying give her chance, you're either very naive or stupid. No way around it.
SCC - For a long time, the State's Attorney's executive office was in the Daley Center. Now she's in an office on the 32nd floor of what loop office building? 69 W Washington? If we are renting her office space when there's the County Bldg, Daley Center, & 69 W Washington - we are already getting screwed by Prickwrinkle's flunky!
Retired .38 spl + P
The SAOs office has been there for almost 20 years....... easy your brain is as old as your ammo
Anonymous said...
Maybe one of you lawyers or union people can answer this. When can a police officer say they wish to remain silent and refuse to answer questions when they are involved in a shooting? Are we required to talk to the States Attorney?
12/06/2016 08:54:00 AM
another genius on the job. If you don t know the answer than you sure as hell should not be on the street or on this JOB
Remember it is not just CPD thats f--ked. It Law Enforcement County-Wide.
I am going to publicly reveal what to do if your involved in an incident!First we call agree no matter what we are stressed out, and nervous. Repeat after me "I was afraid of my life" which of course is why we protect #1 at the scene us! Keep repeating that, none of that gold star bullshit "dont worry kid tell me what happened" Obviously your heart is taxed call for an ambulance (at this point no statement is needed" Remember keep repating "I was afraid of my life" That is all you say after saying "I need an ambulance" at the hospital you will be monitored request only family visit no "cool boss" ever! Now this could take a couple of days while you recover, get your lawyer from fop absolutely no one else in room as you discuss what exactly happened! It does not matter what anyone else says, or observed during this moment you have "tunnel vision" what did you see? The less said the better.In the hospital no texting, no looking at texts from other coppers remember they will look into your phone! Eddie may come to see you and the other over promoted yes boss gold star club say nothing in confidence. the only person you trust is the son of a bitch you look at in the mirror otherwise say nothing.
Take this from a recently retired vet who went through hell with this department for 3 years but all turned out ok. Best lesson no matter what shut-up!
Cant that fool get his stars on straight?
If you are involved in a shooting you have only one way of protecting yourself.
Remain silent and hire a good aggressive lawyer to fight for you!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe one of you lawyers or union people can answer this. When can a police officer say they wish to remain silent and refuse to answer questions when they are involved in a shooting? Are we required to talk to the States Attorney?
One always has the right to say nothing in a CRIMINAL investigation. If the investigators know from the beginning that one will be charged with a crime, they have the obligation to advice one of one's rights. Advising one of one's rights is the beginning of the adversarial process (read charging one with a crime).
The issue for police using deadly force is that the investigation does not usually begin as a criminal investigation but as an administrative one. The investigators, in the past detectives and now IPRA, work from the premise that the officer as an agent of the state is doing his job correctly as the law and general orders prescribe. If that is the case, as certainly is in the overwhelming majority of cases, all is well and the case is adjudicated as, a for lack of a better phrase let's say, "a good shooting."
However, in very few instances, as the administrative phase progresses, the investigators may deem that the shooting in which the officer was involved is not a good shooting. Technically, if the investigators deem the shooting as bad, constitutional rights will attach and it is their obligation to make the officer aware of his/her right to say nothing.
Now the big question is: Should I say nothing if I am involved in police related shooting? The general orders of the department obligate officers to give a statement to the highest ranking officers during the administrative phase of the investigation. This statement is to be given only to the ranking members without witnesses. One is also required to cooperate with IPRA regarding the investigation.
To my knowledge ASAs are not involved in the initial on scene investigation or the immediate follow up IPRA investigation. If you are presented before an ASA during the investigation, I would say it is in your best interest to have a lawyer present.
I am sure some fellows on this here blog will have more to add or correct to the above which hopefully will point you and us in the right direction.
Calm down brothers and sisters. Kim's lack of experience will show. It may take some time. Don't worry about Kim consulting with Harvard educated lawyers. Remember Jesse Jr , He went to Harvard Law and he went to jail. Barry Scheck, a Harvard Educated lawyer refuses to talk about his part in the O.J case. He is embarrassed. Things will be O.K.
See these worthless fucks in the unemployment line before to long. Good by Democratic criminals. By by flower boy Rham and Tunny.
If you asked this cop hater who is General Mad Dog Mattis she would have not a clue. Not a fucking clue. But she is in a leadership roll now. Rham must be jumping up and down on a bed just giddy over this. By by Federal Funding.
Officers please stop working, just answer your jobs and back each up, let it go ....
Retired .38 spl + P why would you insult someones brain? Very disrespectful to this blog. Leave troll. We know who we are*
Anonymous said...
What do you expect from this office anyway? Most are graduates from John Marshall Junior College of Law. And take a job that pays 40k a year after dropping 200k on tuition. If they were good lawyers they wouldn't be working for the county. But that's all they could get based on the school they went to. The incompetence continues.
12/06/2016 10:18:00 AM
Actually it's hard to get a job as an ASA. Have to have a connect of some sort. You are way off on the numbers, also.
What do you expect from this office anyway? Most are graduates from John Marshall Junior College of Law. And take a job that pays 40k a year after dropping 200k on tuition. If they were good lawyers they wouldn't be working for the county. But that's all they could get based on the school they went to. The incompetence continues.
And what law school did you go to?
Last year I started to ride with an old timer- carried a bag full of books- and a large coffee thermos- and picked up the newspapers. We went out and parked in an empty parking lot. He put the news radio on- poured us both a cup of coffee and pulled out a book and we stayed parked till we got a call.drove slowly- handled the job- and back to a new empty lot and a new cup of coffee.
I asked what's with the thermos, and parking in empty lots. He said his coffee maker was clean at home- no one peed in it or spit- you can see anyone who comes near you in the lot- and he has two yrs till he retires to Texas. Take some advice kid get a bag full of books, a coffee thermos and get the fuck off this job- all it takes is one call going to shit and they will toss you in jail.Do nothing- don't listen to the propaganda- you may love the job, but the job is a whore and it will never love you back.Best advice I ever got- I 'm leaving , got a job out of state, no more cold winters.
Shut it down, you are a God damned fool if you get involved in anything proactively-fuck Em- the self- cleaning oven is doing just fine.
One term and she will run for mayor.....
12/06/2016 08:57:00 AM
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HEY - Put DOWN that Crackpipe!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Last year I started to ride with an old timer- carried a bag full of books- and a large coffee thermos- and picked up the newspapers. We went out and parked in an empty parking lot. He put the news radio on- poured us both a cup of coffee and pulled out a book and we stayed parked till we got a call.drove slowly- handled the job- and back to a new empty lot and a new cup of coffee.
I asked what's with the thermos, and parking in empty lots. He said his coffee maker was clean at home- no one peed in it or spit- you can see anyone who comes near you in the lot- and he has two yrs till he retires to Texas. Take some advice kid get a bag full of books, a coffee thermos and get the fuck off this job- all it takes is one call going to shit and they will toss you in jail.Do nothing- don't listen to the propaganda- you may love the job, but the job is a whore and it will never love you back.Best advice I ever got- I 'm leaving , got a job out of state, no more cold winters.
Shut it down, you are a God damned fool if you get involved in anything proactively-fuck Em- the self- cleaning oven is doing just fine.
12/07/2016 12:10:00 AM
I agree especially bring your own coffee and food. I worked with a copper in 010 back in 1987 I think was the year we went to a restaurant on 22 and troy eat the copper had like 1 year on job felt sick, turned out rushed to hospital ate something tore small hole in stomach artery bled out coded out many pints of blood emergency surgery off work for months came back to work still surviving ok retired. That was way back then when many still liked the police in today's climate trust no one the media has beat it into many of their heads anti-police bias! Bring your lunch not hard to do, or if you want to buy something many stores sell prepackaged food salads etc that way when you buy and eat that if something happens with the food you know it was not meant intentionally for you because of your uniform!
Most working in restaurants work for minimum wages your not getting the best and brightest serving your food,and many are criminals with arrest history's think they are vengeful against police? think again!
What do you expect from this office anyway? Most are graduates from John Marshall Junior College of Law. And take a job that pays 40k a year after dropping 200k on tuition. If they were good lawyers they wouldn't be working for the county. But that's all they could get based on the school they went to. The incompetence continues.
Whether an attorney went to John Marshall or Harvard they still have to pass the Bar Exam to practice law here in Illinois . I've met good ASA's over the years . I've also met bad ones . Lawyers are like any other profession , some competent some not . You sound jaded . Have a beer buddy and calm down .
To all of you, especially you hard charging young bucks, if the worst occurs and you shoot anyone; don't speak even out of excited utterance. Request a ambulance for yourself, give your vest to your Sgt (along with everything attached to the vest). Goto ER as you will have to give blood anyway and remember this is a traumatic experience for anyone that has a soul so calm down before you speak to anyone and make sure you are ok all around
Anonymous said...
What do you expect from this office anyway? Most are graduates from John Marshall Junior College of Law. And take a job that pays 40k a year after dropping 200k on tuition. If they were good lawyers they wouldn't be working for the county. But that's all they could get based on the school they went to. The incompetence continues.
12/06/2016 10:18:00 AM
Actually it's hard to get a job as an ASA. Have to have a connect of some sort. You are way off on the numbers, also.
12/06/2016 10:57:00 PM
No he's not. They don't make shit. A first chair might make 80k.
Look it up yourself.
http://www.bettergov.org/payroll-database?combine=&Employer=Cook+County&DataYear=&Salary%5Bmin%5D=0&Salary%5Bmax%5D=1000000
THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD , How Disgusting , Everyone knows what Bullshit is in the Horizon now
Look it up yourself.
http://www.bettergov.org/payroll-database?combine=&Employer=Cook+County&DataYear=&Salary%5Bmin%5D=0&Salary%5Bmax%5D=1000000
12/08/2016 11:06:00 PM
Damn!!! You right!!!
Time to move to a state with lower taxes, public safety and better weather. Let the liberals destroy. They can't be stopped at this point.
12/06/2016 07:12:00 AM
Illinois, a corrupt, bankrupt blue state in the middle of successful red states.
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