And Another Revision
- The Chicago Police Department and the ACLU have once again agreed to simplify a burdensome “investigatory stop report,” but the police union says the changes won’t be enough to reverse an 80 percent drop in street stops.
No longer will the two-page form include the names and badge numbers of officers making the stop. That information will only go to a retired federal judge. Personal information about the person stopped will also be eliminated from the form.
“We never really cared about individual officers. What we were looking at was a systemic fix to the abuse of street stops in Chicago,” said ACLU spokesman Ed Yohnka.
::cough cough Bullshit! cough cough::
Numerous law firms are and remain highly interested in that information and they will leave no stone un-turned in their efforts to find any number of poor coppers to appear in Federal Court listing their assets for a deposition. If it's in a government database (it's in a few Department databases already), it's discover-able.
Angelo chimes in:
Numerous law firms are and remain highly interested in that information and they will leave no stone un-turned in their efforts to find any number of poor coppers to appear in Federal Court listing their assets for a deposition. If it's in a government database (it's in a few Department databases already), it's discover-able.
Angelo chimes in:
- Instead of tinkering at the margins, Fraternal Order of Police President Dean Angelo said the “monstrosity of a report” should be scrapped altogether in favor of the “contact cards” that preceded the agreement with the ACLU or an expanded form of it, as used by the Illinois State Police.
In addition, Angelo said the city and the ACLU must remove the shackles that limit street stops to instances where officers either observe criminal behavior spot someone who “fits the description” of someone reported to 911 as having committed a crime.
“It limits stop, question and frisk completely because it was designed by the ACLU and accepted as policy by the department, which is the main contributing factor to the drop in our street stops,” Angelo said.
“People think that police officers are standing down. Police officers aren’t standing down. They’re following policy. They’re doing what the order requires. That’s what everybody’s missing.”
ISR's are time off the streets. Or time sitting in one location entering data on a computer screen so unreadable and in such an uncomfortable posture that our chiropractor bought a two new cars last year.
- In August, 2015, the ACLU pressed for expanded reporting on investigatory stops in Chicago after releasing a study showing minorities have been predominately targeted for stops here.
In a completely unrelated study, HeyJackass.com, combined with Department databases and FBI statistics, proved that murders and shootings have been committed and suffered by "predominately minority communities" in the City of Chicago.
The ACLU countered with this laugher:
The ACLU countered with this laugher:
- Yohnka dismissed as a “fallacy” the notion that the 80 percent drop in street stops is somehow responsible for the 60 percent spike in homicides in Chicago.
He noted that the University of Chicago Crime Lab recently concluded there is “no linkage” between street stops and the crime rate. In fact, when street stops declined in New York City, so did the crime rate, Yohnka said.
“The reason the stops have gone down is because there were too many stops,” Yohnka said.
Really? Too many stops? Everything we see and hear in the street is "Do more stops!" At Roll Call, too. We guess we'll be telling the Commander that the ACLU said there were "too many stops" next time he comes to address the troops.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
76 Comments:
Don't sign the agreement with D.O.J. Rahm, buy yourself some time to review it until after 20 Jan. Trump will take care of the rest....Empower the police-save lives. If this killing keeps up, even the blacks won't vote for you. Be smart, Hilary didn't win. Its a different ball game without the safety net. Play the game!
Any copper that decides this recent revision makes it ok to go out and grab a handful of ISRs per tour is an assclown.
And they may be a cop, but no brother of mine.....
You wanted it ACLU? You've got it.
Now enjoy it.
Guessing Yohnka wasn't aware of how the new LT in 004 West was asking beat cars to get more ISR's. But it's not about the numbers...Right?
This is what happens during "social engineering " ... finger pointing. What is missed is people died. Mothers buried their children and neighborhoods fell apart. All in the name of a social experiment. Blood is on the A.C.L.U. hands, and they know it. It's not on Garry's hands, he was just trying to stall a fed oversight. He got pressured and punked by this administration. What Garry didn't understand is Chicago politics. We do..
If every ACLU lawyer was on fire, I would not stop to piss on them to put out the fire.
And who suffers from the ACLU fucking over the police in the nation? The citizen.
And who benefits from the ACLU fucking over the police in the nation? The bad guy.
It's that simple.
I guess this all really just comes down to who is in charge . The doj, aclu, blm has pretty much written policy for the CPD for the last year . I would say , at this point , the criminals are in charge . Do the criminals pay taxes and in other ways contribute to the well being of society ?
If doing street stops or not doing street stops mean nothing, then why do the bosses care about the ISR?
I'm glad the study showed no correlation. That only helps us. Stay fetal.
Ya and I'll bet your email password is "password". These fuckin liberals are the dumbest people on the planet.
There was nothing wrong with the old contact card system. Some of the narratives may have been wrong but many were justified with reasonable suspicion.
ACLU just said it, "there were too many stops", they didn't like the amount of stops on the so called average citizen. And coming up with data stating the majority are minority proves only one thing: common denominator factor.
When you flood a certain area within certain demographics and expect intelligence gathering, many people of that demographic will get stopped. Especially, when the statistics show that crime is up in that pez. But then again these are suits trying to tell us how the streets work.
More agreements, more nonsense. They have there studies that say nothing matters and all is going good. So what do they want? They all seem like spoiled children.
I'm sitting this one out. Continue as you were. LOL!!!
Its amusing they are using NYC as an example to prove that reduced stops doesn't correlate to higher crime ... This is from personal observation and nothing more ... I live in NEPA...Pa a couple hours out of NYC and I suspect that the reason crime hasn't increased in the city is because the sona bitches are here in Pa doing the crimes... 1/2 the homicides in the paper begin like this ... QUEENS MAN ARRESTED and the other 1/2 begin ...PHILLY MAN ARRESTED.... Sec 8 sucks
Hey, the ACLU wants less stops, continue doing less stops. The killings aren't rampant in my neighborhood. What does the University of ChIraq say about that?
It's all the same and any law firm can file a FOIA and get whatever they want. If you get caught in their net you will be sad that you worked so hard to please the boss with silly stats that only benefitted him and hurt you. Don't be fooled. the law and department policy is still the same regarding investigatory stops.
Eliminate the name of the person stopped???????????Genius move. Might as well just fill out a bunch of jibberish......assuming for some reason you actually make a stop and want to waste your time. Just make everyone white in any stop and the ACLU will go away
ACLU stands for American Criminal's Legal Union.
If the University of Chicago says it's true, it must be. Remember, they employed both Barack and Michelle.
Superintendent needs to man up and put on big boy pants, now is the time to tear up the ACLU agreement and tell the ACLU and Corporation Counsel to shove it up their leftist arses !
Ergo............if there are NO street stops there will be NO crime.
Point, set, match.
The reason "no linkage" has been found is because no academic has challenged the hypothesis that less stops=more crime. Those studies take YEARS to complete and must be done across several municipalities. So yes, there currently is no linkage, not because one doesn't exist, but instead because it hasn't been studied yet.
This is idiotic!
Once a goof puts in the CR # they will have your name who comes up with this shit?
Nobody ever signs their names to this crap!
Nothing means anything. Crime and murders are up stops are down but one has nothing to do with the other. OK, how much do you want for that bridge?
Police will start making stops again when the black community do away with "Black Wall of Silence" on their neighbors and friends.
Street stops do nothing to stop crimes., concerned citizens who see something and say something is the reason crime was down. Now that more and more of these responsible citizens have relocated because of harassment and assaults by cowardly hoodlums and thugs and cops who think stops are the answer, not prosecuting these punks, crime is up and blame Eddie and everyone but yourself.
I'm sorry but Dean sounds out of touch with our members. Maybe it's just my experience with the current regime but his comments sound insincere. In my mind it's a little too late to now start trying to stop the freight train barreling down the tracks. At least with Shields he was consistent in voicing of concerns.
The ACLU always knows what is best and right. Just ask them.
I don't care how many revisions are done to the ISR. I don't care if they do bring back the old contact card. Street stops are dead and are not coming back. Don't forget the stop receipts where we are required to give gangbangers, drug dealers, junkies etc. our names and star numbers like we work in customer service at Walmart or something. No thanks I'll pass. Reap what you sow.
Heard an excerpt of a Obama interview on news radio. He said that he directed the justice department to help Chicago clean out the mess in their Police department. Nice! Seems they just made a bigger mess with the help of the mayor, who made the original "mess"!
Hey ACLU. How does 900 sound to you????
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Oh WTF! Most of those old stops were bullshit, just admit it.
Try reading the US Constitution. LOL, you should read some of the narratives on them. And if the narratives dont articulate reasonable suspicion then how can the fucking stop be justifiable? By Lieing better?
They don't want to know who you are! That's what they said, now get out there and give me some numbers! When you are in court then I'll know who you are!
Remain fetal ... That is all !
Why is the city cowtowing to a PRIVATE entity?
If they go back to the old contact card system *exactly* as it was, I will do street stops once again... and they will be lawful and justifiable.
But these ISR things? Nope. No way. I need my job and I like my house. Fuck you, ACLU.
Angelo chimes in:
Instead of tinkering at the margins, Fraternal Order of Police President Dean Angelo said the “monstrosity of a report” should be scrapped altogether in favor of the “contact cards” that preceded the agreement with the ACLU or an expanded form of it, as used by the Illinois State Police.
In addition, Angelo said the city and the ACLU must remove the shackles that limit street stops to instances where officers either observe criminal behavior spot someone who “fits the description” of someone reported to 911 as having committed a crime.
“It limits stop, question and frisk completely because it was designed by the ACLU and accepted as policy by the department, which is the main contributing factor to the drop in our street stops,” Angelo said.
“People think that police officers are standing down. Police officers aren’t standing down. They’re following policy. They’re doing what the order requires. That’s what everybody’s missing.”
Hey Dean you had a seat at the table when this legislation was crafted and endorsed it and never encouraged any legislator to oppose it. You stated there were a lot of other bad things in the ISR legislation that you got removed. You can't have it both ways. If you would have opposed this legislation when and reached out to our senators and representatives to do the same then your above remarks would be viewed as genuine. Since you did not, the above remarks are nothing more than political 180 in an attempt to bullshit the members in the upcoming election. Same bullshit you are about to embark on with the FOP trip to Florida paid for by the members without their consent to allow 10-15 retirees to come back to the FOP by just paying 1 year of back dues when so many of our retirees have paid faithfully each and every year since retiring. A slap in the face to all the retirees who did it the right way and a different set of rules for the supervisors you want to bring back to our union. No difference between people who immigrated to this country legally and those who came here illegally looking for amnesty.
Lolz!
It surely looks like the ACLU is not really liking
how this is ending up...
"We thought this was gonna just hurt you Cops!"
The Police responded brilliantly to Rahm's
post election gambit of giving Chicago's
public safety away to the ACLU and #blm
to make the catered-to constituency stfu...
Now everybody is all pissy and nasty with
The Police because certain elements within
the catered-to constituency have boldly stepped
up into Chicago's public safety void that was
Intentionally created by driving The Police into
a reasonable "defensive crouch" because of
a vengeful agenda of settling scores against
The Police (and by proxy, the rest of civilized,
law abiding society as well) that is being aided,
abetted and funded by white-guilting progressives
and others in the grievance industrial complex.
It's all about curtailing Police ability to stem the tide
of protected demographic lawlessness and savagery,
while providing material aid and comfort to those of
a protected demographic who commit said acts of
lawlessness and savagery.
"If only we can make the Cops STOP doing..."
And NOW there's:
"How can we make those Cops
START doing... AGAIN?"
"Shit" has crossed the median
and crashed head-on into "or go blind."
Thankfully, no Policemen were involved
in the wreck.
Oh wait...
Rahm just plowed his political brand
smack dead-center into the flaming wreckage
and he's pinned-in.
It won't be the first time we see a "smarter than thou"
burn to a blackened skeleton by his own hand.
Here's to the DOJ/FBI Public Corruption Unit being
expanded to the point where they'll be hot-bunking
with meager accommodations and scratchy bedding
over at Damen & Roosevelt and 219 S. Dearborn...
Once the Federal Eagle shits it's CPD findings,
It can then turn and snatch Rahm The Weasel
up in it's talons and fly back to it's nest with Rahm
kicking, crying and shitting like the scared and
hunted little critter he's about to find out he'll be.
>Flap-Flap<
"AHHH! Lemme GO!"
>Kick! Squirm! Shit!<
Perhaps we all can soon boast over the pile
of Rahm's shit stained political bones the way he boasted
about hurting retirees and widows.
Oh hey look it's the FOP speaking up for something! I thought everyone was on furlough 🤔
American Clown Lawyers United
Make the form two words long, it doesn't matter.
No officers names? There still is an electronic signature. They will find you.
The bottom line is the word reasonable has been removed from our job
Reasonable suspicion is not recognized by the ACLU nor will be by IPRA or COPA or phather phlaker's crew
If you are a known burglar with a backpack from the west side looking over fences in an alley in 018, that's your God given right
Reasonable has also been eliminated from our use of force
They will always find fault with it.
I'm not saying stand there and get your ass kicked, just be prepared that when it is reviewed by IPRA or COPA they will not recognize reasonable force. Nor will the media
Be prepared to hire a lawyer and hope to have a "reasonable" judge or jury listen to your argument.
In the meantime reduce the odds of getting fucked over by not being proactive
Reading this has made me feel a lot better about not stopping anyone. Thanks to the ACLU, I'm never going to made a stop, according to them, reduces the crime rate as was stated in the above article. Lets make less stops, and she was will happen.
Who's fuckin cares! They can come up with any order or law for the police! Hell they can even put a camera on my back it they'd like! All this does is just make my job easier!! Answer my jobs and go home that's it!
Shitcago, liberals have made their bed. You reap what you sow, things will get only worse. Even if Shitcago, Aclu, Rham and the rest of the IGNORANT reversed the ISR procedure, the current day to day policing of the streets of Shitcago will sadly continue. Hey dummy liberals, citizen complaints are down, lol. Nobody enjoys being stopped by the police, especially the criminals, however, that's how police department curtail crime and keep people safe. Yes, good men and women taking an oath to serve and proteCT get sh#t on because they do a job that most people are afraid to do or unwilling to do. Happy, happy, happy! Happy New Year!
The old Contact Card system was good, originally, but then Jodie Weis, Garry McCarthy, and a long list of "bosses," both at headquarters and in the districts, turned those cards into a numbers game, asking for "more! more!" contact cards.
The result? Officers on foot patrol were even doing unnecessary contact cards on ordinary drivers and passengers involved in minor traffic crashes, all with the knowledge of their sergeants, and the then (now retired) district commander, to keep up with the Superintendent's unreasonable demands for more and more cards. This destroyed the intent and value of the original database of contact cards. No wonder a lawsuit was filed over these, now, ridiculous and useless cards. The gold stars and bosses ruined that card database system with their unreasonable demands, and now they have to live with it.
The new ISR system actually has some value. At least, reasonable suspicion has to be written out in detail, and most bosses know that it would be unwise to ask for "more and more" ISRs.
DO NOT bring back the "easy" contact cards. It will only allow the bosses the opportunity to demand quotas from officers, and destroy the whole system again. Some people never learn.
The contact card will never come back, the ISR will be done at the same level as it is being done today. Old school is done forgood. Deal with the body count ACLU, it's all yours.
Yawn. Still not doing one
I am on a specialized unit. I do not mind doing ISR's. My ISR's are 100% legit. If you do your job right like you are supposed to then you have nothing to worry about. I was in district XXX (I do not want to mention the district). But two dogs were bragging how they only answer their jobs and are staying fetal. So do you want the beat cop who patrols the beat where you live to have that same attitude? Enough said!!!!
Anonymous said...
There was nothing wrong with the old contact card system. Some of the narratives may have been wrong but many were justified with reasonable suspicion.
ACLU just said it, "there were too many stops", they didn't like the amount of stops on the so called average citizen. And coming up with data stating the majority are minority proves only one thing: common denominator factor.
When you flood a certain area within certain demographics and expect intelligence gathering, many people of that demographic will get stopped. Especially, when the statistics show that crime is up in that pez. But then again these are suits trying to tell us how the streets work.
1/07/2017 01:39:00 AM
I hope you are joking. In the old contact card system, officers did not even write down what was the reasonable suspicion or probable cause to stop the person. They just wrote "subject stopped for field interview, a protective pat down revealed suspect cannabis". What the fuck man!!!!
On the topics of merit promotion, 715, 002, Waller and Johnson:
https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/police-boss-helped-officer-tied-to-corrupt-cops-get-promoted/b926226c-3ee0-481d-b67c-3c8554fc389f
“Rahm is so desperate, he went to see [President-elect Donald] Trump to ask for help,” Schlackman says. “I don’t think anybody has the solutions to any of this. That’s his saving grace.”
Even Dick Kay says the ACLU/CPD agreement should be ended.
Dean Angelo had input in the writing of this law and never objected to it.
Dean is a Rahm/ACLU lover. Only looking out for himself and his kids merit promotion.
"... It's not on Garry's hands, he was just trying to stall a fed oversight. He got pressured and punked by this administration. What Garry didn't understand is Chicago politics. ..."
Bullshit. This is all BECAUSE Garry wanted contact cards. His obsession with them, calling out bosses at Compstat about them, and having the bosses, basically, demand them from the troops is all on Garry's hands. Come in for a week straight with a mover, 5 parkers and an arrest/day and they're saying, "but you didn't have any contact cards". Then, he signs off on the deal with the ACLU and the ISR?! It was to keep the ACLU from taking the Dept to court.
Anonymous said...
Ergo............if there are NO street stops there will be NO crime.
Point, set, match.
1/07/2017 07:04:00 AM
>Golf Clap...<
Anonymous said...
Same bullshit you are about to embark on with the FOP trip to Florida paid for by the members without their consent to allow 10-15 retirees to come back to the FOP by just paying 1 year of back dues when so many of our retirees have paid faithfully each and every year since retiring. A slap in the face to all the retirees who did it the right way and a different set of rules for the supervisors you want to bring back to our union. No difference between people who immigrated to this country legally and those who came here illegally looking for amnesty.
1/07/2017 10:49:00 AM
????????????
Again a post that on the surface sound straight forward. But one phone call of research reveals it to be bogus. Another BULLSHIT post at election time. There is a lot to this but the cliff notes version is:
1. Angelo was asked to address the national FOP. Not like their biggest union in the country could not report on health care roll out, DOJ, ACLU, murder rate etc....
2. Since Dean was going to be down here we moved our meeting date of Chicago Police Southwest Florida Retiree Assoc. so Dean and a representative for Aetna insurance could address us. The insurance guy in the keynote speaker.
3. The retiree issue has been an on going project for a year. It was an unanimous vote. So the Kevin Graham/Martin Preib ticket also endorsed it thru the votes of DiMaria, Donahue, and Garza. Danny Gorman voted for it as well.
4. The State and National Lodges also gave a thumbs up. I was told the National Lodge recently changed their by-laws and failure to do this would leave Lodge 7 in non-compliance.
One phone call of research folks that’s all it took to one trustee with a brain. You took an unsubstantiated rumor and posted it as fact.
Therefore I rate your post 4 out of 5 Pinocchio’s.
OT: The storyline on Blue Bloods last night was about police recruits cheating on the psych exam. I wonder where the writers got the idea of having a show about cheating on a police exam?!h
Just do absolutely the very minimum you are required to do on your shift. Don't stop anyone. Don't talk yo anyone. Don't chase anyone. Make only the arrest you are required to. Go home safe every day back to your family. This is the police department our politicians want.
It is pretty hard to compare the NYPD with Chicago Police Department. For one,they have almost 30,000 that they can flood any area with and tamp down criminal activity. For two, I think that they have better leadership. And, you get caught with a gun in NY you go to jail for 3 years. I just had a gun case and the judge gave the kid probation. So, what didhe do? He just went out and caught another gun case.
ACLU got exactly what they asked for - less stops. Now deal with it. Less stops = more crime - it's as simple as that. The blood is on ACLU.
I will not fill out a net worth / asset statement in federal court for civil rights violations because ACLU determines I didn't articulate my stop sufficiently - I will not hurt my family, I will not lose my house.
STAY FETAL
No matter how much easier or convenient they make the ISRs please remember that the level of scrutiny you'll be under will not be any less. If you don't have strong reasonable articulable suspicion do not make the stop. Period. If you are not sure what that is you'd better start discussing it with your fellow officers and sgts until you do know what it is and more importantly is not. All these anonymous "suspicious man" calls should now be 11-Ps unless you personally see something more. Just because somebody sees someone out their window that they don't want around doesn't mean we get to stop them automatically. Somebody run from the corner upon seeing the squad car? Unless you see something illegal, running away from the police is not a crime. Don't chase unless you have reasonable suspicion at that moment because running away is not enough on its own. And it's almost guaranteed that if you do catch that runner you're going to be using some level of force so don't even initiate the chase unless you're justified in making the stop.The ACLU and others are happy to see reductions in these stops so don't mistake a slightly simplified form with less scrutiny. If there's any doubt about whether you have enough to make a legit stop you probably don't so don't make the stop.
I hope you are joking. In the old contact card system, officers did not even write down what was the reasonable suspicion or probable cause to stop the person. They just wrote "subject stopped for field interview, a protective pat down revealed suspect cannabis". What the fuck man!!!!
Then blame the bosses for allowing that. There was nothing wrong with the old card
To Eddie and Rahm, it bears repeating, but ISRs do not deter crime. ISRs, contact cards, whatever you want to call them, do not deter crime. We could increase the production of ISRs a hundredfold, and it would do nothing to stop crime. In fact, it would eventually serve to increase crime....
Why ? ....
Because the criminals will get used to being stopped without being arrested. And this will embolden them. Because the criminals will figure out, if they haven't already, that a police officer who stops him, maybe pats him down, asks a few questions about "what are you doing in this designated gang and narcotic hot spot?", and then doesn't arrest him, is not a police officer to be feared. The lowest level of the use of force paradigm is "police presence" and that is supposed to deter crime at some level. For example, a marked police car outside a bank will deter someone intent on robbing the bank from robbing the bank in that moment. BUT if the potential bank robber believes that he can get away with robbing the bank because the police officer won't arrest him but will merely do an ISR on him, the crime to occur will not be deterred.
Thug on the corner doesn't care about ISRs. He only cares about his freedom. When his freedom of movement is threatened, he will reconsider his decisions to commit crime. ISRs will never figure into his thinking. Only arrests will.
Do you want to deter crime? then put people in jail. We know preckwinkle, foxx, and BLM, don't like the sound of that, but nothing deters a criminal like being put in a cage for a few years, deprived of his freedom of movement.
When arrests go up, and the jails fill up, then crime will go down.
And until you really have our backs, ..... oh what's the use, you don't give a sh*t about us or the victims of crime...
Funny how Dean is suddenly visible and vocal.
Don't confuse aclu actions as stupidity. They have to justify their actions so they get their slice of the pie. It does not matter if some officers get railed.
Street stops do nothing to stop crimes., concerned citizens who see something and say something is the reason crime was down. Now that more and more of these responsible citizens have relocated because of harassment and assaults by cowardly hoodlums and thugs and cops who think stops are the answer, not prosecuting these punks, crime is up and blame Eddie and everyone but yourself.
*****
You're right snowflake. I'll keep the course, not hareassing or assaulting all the innocent grandmas and Erkels like I used to. No stops ever. I'm sorry I helped create this problem. You're the solution! Go get'm! You're my hero!
Deano, Deano , Deano
You tell people that you don't read this B.S. blog.... but we know you read this blog...
You love to read this blog .....you want by to read this blog.... You need to read this blog.....You got your position from those who read this blog ......You can't start your day without reading this blog......your daily decisions are made from reading this blog......your sons future was changed because of those who read this blog and I promise you the end will come from those who read this blog.
Dyla Hata
I keep saying...Dean when you speak you are spot on however we need you to be more vocal and to do it more frequently. A Mike Ditka as opposed to a Lovie Smith. We now have a President soon to be in office that is Pro Law Enforcement, now is the time to turn a corner in policing. I keep preaching that much has been learned from BLM, squeaky wheel gets the oil, time for our union to become loud and obnoxious.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am on a specialized unit. I do not mind doing ISR's. My ISR's are 100% legit. If you do your job right like you are supposed to then you have nothing to worry about. I was in district XXX (I do not want to mention the district). But two dogs were bragging how they only answer their jobs and are staying fetal. So do you want the beat cop who patrols the beat where you live to have that same attitude? Enough said!!!!
1/07/2017 01:32:00 PM
Easy for pampered you to say. Being in a "specialized unit" affords you the luxury of not being tied to the radio answering calls. Go got em you ball of fire. You don't pay my mortgage so g.f.y..
Signed, Old beat dog.
Anonymous said...
I hope you are joking. In the old contact card system, officers did not even write down what was the reasonable suspicion or probable cause to stop the person. They just wrote "subject stopped for field interview, a protective pat down revealed suspect cannabis". What the fuck man!!!!
Then blame the bosses for allowing that. There was nothing wrong with the old card
1/07/2017 08:30:00 PM
Reasonable suspicion was not called for in a contact card. It was for documenting any contact with a citizen that would benefit the department.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am on a specialized unit.
Enough said is right.
Repeat after me, "It's NOT THE FUCKING CARD THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!"
Thank you. That is all..
They can revise it all the want; WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PROTECTIVE PAT DOWN SEARCH period. That was a supreme court ruling if they do not get the officer safety limited to outer clothing search back, I will not tell my officers to stop people.
You listening RAHM/ED?
The key word "OFFICER SAFETY" tell the ACLU, (RAHMS COMRADES) that our officers can pat people down for their safety according to the Supreme court, got it ED and RAHM?
Until you back these officers over the rudimentary principles of field interviews they will not stop anyone. You are potentially sending them to their deaths and they know it!!!!!! They are not stupid.
This is basic Thomas Hobbes. What Yohnka doesn't get is that New York had already established the rule of law and the monopoly on the use of force. They could afford to take a softer approach. There are no smart, cynical murders in New York anymore. It's almost all idiots and crimes of passion. There was an article in the NY Times a couple weeks ago about the stubbornness of domestic violence related murders. I long for the day when we have so few other murders that we could put significant focus on angry boyfriends.
We never established the monopoly on the use of force. Phil Cline got us about halfway before the twin bar scandals forced him out (coppers ignoring crimes by their own does incredible damage to departments.) We consolidated Cline's gains for a decade (till last year) but never got beyond them. So we still have the "it would be good for us if you killed him" murders - the ones where somebody relatively smart convinces somebody dumb and angry to try to kill someone. The problem here is it still makes sense to kill your rivals because you're likely to get away with it.
To stop those completely, you need a high conviction rate. Which means you need witnesses. There was a way to do that - to build more trust between the department and major portions of the communities where the most violence occurs.
Instead, Rahm has managed to ensure that nobody trusts nobody on either side. It's astonishing. Other cities have had protests. Other cities have corruption near the top of their police force. But nobody has seen a year like this anywhere.
I'm not a police officer, but I love to read this blog.
ALL of you who "stand down", or be "fetal", or "Idle", as you call it, are supported by us common folk.
DON'T EVER RISK YOUR LIFE for the typical Chicago punk. You are worth 10 of them, and you know it. In fact, each time one kills the other, they have helped to REDUCE crime.
Keep up the good Idle, OK?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"I am on a specialized unit".
That's not all that you're on.
Dear Chicago Police-
I am trying to figure out more about the specific nature of this problem and how exactly it is costing you time. I should start out by saying that I am a consistent reader of this blog and my support for CPD cannot be overstated. I am born and raised in this city and have a genuine desire to do my part in making your jobs easier. I also should say that my intent in posting is to genuinely assess the problem and offer a solution, so if I come off as anything other than that, please re-read this sentence.
As i understand it, the ACLU garbage isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and even if it does, its likely to be replaced by some bureaucratic garbage that will have the same affect on you all, which is stopping you from doing your jobs. The jobs you are REALLY GREAT AT, and the jobs that we DESPERATELY need in this city.
So, I ask the following questions. Do you feel you have the best technology available to you in leaping these bureaucratic hurdles? Are you spending your time addressing the incident-specific information in these forms or are you starting from the beginning with names, addresses, and simple information like that? How much of these forms can you fill out quickly in your car and how much requires additional time at your desk?
I am a citizen of Chicago who is genuinely interested in understanding the nature of this problem. If you would like to contribute to my understanding, please email me directly at kregerja@miamioh.edu. I hope that I have conveyed my appreciation for all your work and desire to help alleviate the inefficiency in this process so that you may go back to doing your jobs. I look forward to hearing from anyone who reads this post who can specifically map out the processes associated with this type of form.
Thank you and please continue doing great work, you are supported by more than you think.
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