Airport Procedures Changing
- The Chicago airport cops who dragged a passenger from a United Airlines flight violated department directives, a conclusion City Hall's top watchdog is now weighing as he considers whether to recommend disciplining or firing four officers, the city's top aviation official told U.S. senators Thursday.
Three aviation officers and a supervisor involved in the April 9 incident — in which a bloodied Dr. David Dao was dragged from a United flight to make room for airline employees — have been suspended pending the outcome of a probe by the city's inspector general, Aviation Commissioner Ginger Evans said.
"Our immediate review showed that the actions of these officers were not in accordance with the Chicago Department of Aviation's directives," Evans said. "Our policies are clear that force should only be used when absolutely necessary to protect the security and safety of our passengers."
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Evans also told senators in a statement that a new department directive changes airport dispatching procedures to ensure Chicago Police Department officers, not aviation police, will be "the lead responders for disturbances onboard aircraft." And Chicago police officers and aviation officers will "no longer board aircraft, unless there is an immediate medical issue or imminent physical threat on board with great bodily harm at risk," she added.
In which case, the Aviation people are supposed to "run and hide" anyway. This would seem to pretty much reduce the DOA Police to "security" personnel, which as far as e can tell, was the plan all along once the "crisis" became public and Rahm could use it.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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Wait, one officer grabbed the idiot, one officer was observed on his police radio asking for a supervisor and never put a hand on the idiot,the other officer then assisted his partner after the idiot (offender) struck his partner, now they want to fire these poor kids...that is fucked up.
Aviation police(security)? Give them a can and a mop and let them clean up the airport. But don't get anyone's shoes wet or you will be out, out I say.
It all sounds like a good plan.
I am a 62 year-old lay person, without the balls to ever stage a sit-in vs. law enforcement, whether they be real or pretend police. So to all the defenders of the suspended doctor, how in the heck was the guy supposed to be removed from the plane after refusing to obey the instructions from law enforcement?
And another thing, I find the life story of the suspended doctor to be quite shameful; yet he ends up becoming a multi-millionaire as the consequence for his misbehavior, and becoming another supposed "victim" who didn't want to go along with the program, and then ends up also becoming social media's latest hero, ala Trayvon, Michael "the gentle giant" Brown, the drug peddler from Baltimore, et. al.
As far as I'm concerned, if Dr. Dao(fus) and I were on an elevator together, and he suffered a massive heart attack and keeled over onto the floor, my ONLY concern would be not to trip over him and hurt my back.
There is no Aviation Police. They are Aviation Security. I don't know why the news media keeps calling them police. They were never police officers. Get rid of them and hire real police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a 62 year-old lay person, without the balls to ever stage a sit-in vs. law enforcement, whether they be real or pretend police. So to all the defenders of the suspended doctor, how in the heck was the guy supposed to be removed from the plane after refusing to obey the instructions from law enforcement?
Ok. Here's one option. Suggest to airplane staff to make an announcement that the plane will be delayed until the guy in 22C gets up and leaves the plane and watch how 199 people on that plane pressures him to leave. Option 2 would be to have everyone leave the plane. Option 3 would be have pilot sign complaint for trespassing and arrest the guy. I'm sure there are other ways to get it done. These are three options that just popped in my head. Honestly the best thing to do is tell airline crew that you wouldn't step foot in that plane until they signed a complaint. Without that, you would be left trying to handle a civil dispute and not a criminal act. This is just common sense.
Excuse me, but the Aviation Police officers ARE police officers, and they trained in the same place you did if you're a Chicago cop. Daley's hand in everything is what has caused them to be an inside joke for many, many years. I cannot imagine any self respecting boss (or retired boss) wanting to apply for any of the vacancies that exist in that patronage sewer of a department. Evans needs to be shitcanned herself, because she is at the helm of that shitstorm, and clearly incompetent in her position.
Total clusterfuck. Media justice.
The security at O'Hare has been a scam for years.Esentially they are political patronage hires set up to present the illusion to the public that they are in a secure environment.Smoke and mirrors.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is no Aviation Police. They are Aviation Security. I don't know why the news media keeps calling them police. They were never police officers. Get rid of them and hire real police.
5/05/2017 03:32:00 AM
Correct..........but use of the word "police" gets viewers, which is what it is all about.
I hate the media!!
They were always intended to be security, not the police.
Wow,isn't it nice that Ginger got rid of Jeff just in time for,(are you ready)the soon to be retired mayors head of the security detail Brian Thompson.I can hear the mayors mind. Get rid of Jeff so I can get another incompetent friends of Rahm in there.Someone else I can control and he can spy on the other bosses for me. I'm in my glory micromanaging yet another gofer.
@03:32....Wanna PHUQING BET Asswipe.......
" So to all the defenders of the suspended doctor, how in the heck was the guy supposed to be removed from the plane after refusing to obey the instructions from law enforcement?"
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He didn't get any instructions from law enforcement. He was told by SECURITY, and then physically handled, over a civil matter. Not a criminal matter. This was a matter of a paying, seated ticket holder being told to vacate the seat he paid for. It is not a "trespass" like all of the Aviation SECURITY keep trying to post; it was not disorderly conduct, nor was it assault. There was no complainant; that is, a person who signs a piece of paper saying what violation of law was committed against him/her. The captain of the plane did not sign a complaint , so that whole "it's a federal law that you must obey the captain" nonsense can be thrown out. Also, if it were a violation of federal law, then federal law enforcement should have handled it.
You Aviation Security can keep posting on here forever, pretending to be who ever you want. It will never change the fact that your actions were unlawful.
Also, if any of you were the real police, you would know about things like the Constitution. In this country, that pretty incredible document gives ALL people the same rights (after several amendments) - even those who have committed past crimes. You wouldn't like it if the real police wrote you a speeding ticket, and when you came to traffic court the judge looked at your abstract first, saw that you have 4 prior speeders, and said "guilty" because of those priors, without even listening to the merits of your case - would you? So this "doctor" - with a shameful past, still has the same rights as you and me. You wouldn't understand that because you have no State tickets, no powers of arrest, and no training and zero police experience.
So don't worry about dr. Dao's disobedience to police. He had an issue with overzealous untrained SECURITY. Unarmed "tactical" security, at that. Please, stop giving police a bad name by associating these aviation security with police.
Anyone feeling sorry for these goofs...don't. The blame should be laid at the feet of Cmsr Redding and the Lt and Sgt's who encouraged a more aggressive and obnoxious group of immature SECURITY guards to try and force out CPD and become a private little patronage army. Why the Lt and Senior Sgt's are all still there is dumbfounding. The officers at O'Hare and the retired C.P.D. on Aviation saw this coming and tried to talk sense to them but fell on deaf ears. They were under the false belief that C.P.D. was going to be dissolved and detailed to 016 and the airport made a new beat in 016, which is against Federal Mandates,insane and dangerous. It's a miracle no one was killed by their deranged full speed responses to anything and everything and confrontational attitudes when the handful of C.P.D. arrived. The blatant civil rights violations committed by theses imbeciles since the inception of the I.S.R. were daily and put C.P.D. in the precarious position of releasing and de-escalating a false detention committed by a rogue group of security guards. Best fix is to shrink their budget by 2/3 of its $19 Million budget, increase the severe manpower shortage of C.P.D. and actually make the airport...safe.
What's the point then? Fire them all
This was always the policy. Always! They were always supposed to just support CPD but they had a little crew of young guys always pushing it to be the Real police while looking down on us. Then these dimwits let a few of them go plain clothes and get all tactical. This kind of shit happened before we just kept it quiet cause we didnt want to see anyone get hurt. And you know whats funny? We used to actually give them the respect as fellow cops, hell, some of them are our retired guys. They brought this on themselves. This wasnt just one incident.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is no Aviation Police. They are Aviation Security. I don't know why the news media keeps calling them police. They were never police officers. Get rid of them and hire real police.
5/05/2017 03:32:00 AM
Security has a place in the mix. It does not have to be all police. Let security be security and the police be the police. You know, cooperate. Good for everyone.
Remembershe said great bodily harm so simple battery...
This is all wonderful news. Every terrorist on the planet will love to hear there are no police at Chicago's International Airport. (Sarcasm)
Not having a dog in this fight, I've always wondered why the police were involved in this matter to start with? It was the airlines problem, let them handle it. I've heard every ticket says blah, blah, blah, give up your seat, blah, blah, blah, but how often does it happen? It was one airline, it was their employees, needing their airline seats, that they sold, it's their problem, right? When did it become a police problem?
Or am I standing out in left field all by my lonesome?
J.J.
We learned long ago that if you put your hands on someone like that they either go to the psych hospital or jail. Aviation personnel must not have been told that.
Couple of problems with all this.
1: Ghost payrolling by CPD
2: Only a few CPD officers respond, they rest are political hacks.
3. The DOA guys are "special Police" and do have powers of arrest on airport property (this includes the roadways)
4. DOS ( Ginger & company ) have refused to allow the proper training needed for airport officers, this includes CPD. They have also lost a boatload of grants thanks to her.
5. The brass at the airport ignore advice and suggestions made by officers ( both agencies)
No matter what. The guys were idiots and didn't handle it right.
Did Argendim retire? He was an over-promoted idiot.
Where's the security guy who calls everyone "sparky" ?? Yea we know we know u took the same test and "same " training lol yea right goof
Hey scc how do you upload pics??? I got their vehicle pics!!!
The $16 million question.
Ging' and Rahm have fleecing the airlines and that budget is not going to go back into the general operations coffers.
TSA has a seat at the security table too, they get to have their say.
Either Aviation -DOA will be relegated to perimeter security and turn keys as originally intended and increase their supervisory ranks or they are
disbanded entirely, saving the money for a patronage private security outfit to move in.
As far as CPD is concerned, there's plenty of "budgeted" police already.
Ging and Rahm put the strong arm on the airlines to keep police off aircraft and most customer matter calls to a minimum.
Maybe there's room for 10 Sgts/Lts to take control of any wandering old cranky rogue PO's.
Until Ohare become a target, the budgeted staffing will remain intact and any increase will be reactionary and temporary.
On the other side of the coin, and a stretch...since there's No hiring forthcoming, it might be that DOA could be quickly retrained (Retread Program) and offered CPD PO status (no DOA supervisors) but Bids to airports are for seniority (less 20%).
I don't blame the security officers in acting the way they did.... just listen to me...... I blame their lack of supervision i.e. Higher ups for not getting in their ass everyday and providing supervision and telling them -- Don't be stupid---- clearly there a reason why CPS has FTOs for what ever they are worth. At the end of the day you gotta blame the department instead of the security officer
He settled and it didnt ask for a penny from the city. happy
OT. info for any of you NW side guys and gals that are interested in the project at 5150 Arena is trying to push thru. Received this update from the aldermans office in response to me letting them know I opposed it. Seems after the last city hall meeting Burke slowed it down
Also at 11AM tomorrow, Saturday May 6 there will be a meeting in from of the building by community groups and residents opposed to the high rise. All are welcome
A quick update-- this 5150 Northwest Highway development will not be on the May 9 Committee on Zoning Committee agenda. The item will be heard at a future date after additional deliberation with key community organizations.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is no Aviation Police. They are Aviation Security. I don't know why the news media keeps calling them police. They were never police officers. Get rid of them and hire real police.
They are state certified and went to an academy. They could actually be hired by departments that take lateral transfers. They are police not security. No matter how small their duties are at the airport.
Except for city county and state police all these other so called police hybrids are nothing more than glorified security guards. Railroad, colleges whatever. They have somewhat police powers because of politicians but when they do want to prosecute someone they have to call in the real police to arrest and process the arrest because they can't do it. They end up being the complainant just like any other civilian.
I was downtown the other day, saw a white security vehicle with the word POLICE painted on the side. I have not seen any complaints or comments about that
To the "one officer grabbed the idiot" poster:
Given the days we live in and given that everyone has a cell phone with video, perhaps the other 2 idiots should have stopped the other idiot from dragging the passenger.
Just to correct those who post with no factual based knowledge, the DOA security officers have no powers to drag anyone at anytime. These idiots should have waited until CPD arrived to handle the situation appropriately.
As for other poster's questioning CPD's slow response to this avoidable situation, educate yourself with this: For the world's 3rd busiest airport to have only 2 police (real police) officers assigned to a terminal the size of the United terminal is pitiful and lacking to say the least. The other factor is that since various armed terror attacks at airports in the baggage pick up area, officers are instructed to spend their patrol time on the unsecured terminal areas. In this instance, and CPD response required CPD officers to walk close to a mile to get to that gate!
So glad I am retired. Be safe everyone.
I work at both ORD and MDW (k9), and wow i have never seen more nitwits than 90% of the DOA SECURITY personnel(the good 10% is the retired CPD guys)! The old bag lady who works post 11, sgt sue(MDW), goof with the ear piece, Tattoo tough guy, i can go on and on! I heard it best from a great CPD officer, "imagine all the goofs on cpd and these are the guys who were so goofy they couldnt get hired by cpd"
To the "excuse me" guy, sorry but you are not the police, no matter how many times you tell yourself that, it wont change man
Look who their union is!! Does that union represent any other POLICE DEPT?? NO
These guys fly around OHARE like its the end of the world, lights and sirens,for anything!! WTF
I seen the DOA midway cars have security on them LOL, some of these DOA SECURITY guys have to be going bonkers with having to put security on uniforms, cars, etc
To the nitwit who says they have arrest powers on airport property, you are completely wrong!! They have ZERO police powers
These DOA security guys are a step above a NIGHT WATCHMAN..a very small step.. I know so many retired CPD guys who say they welcome putting security on everything !!
"you were downtown and saw a white security vehicle with the word police on it" you want complaints and comments on that??? that has nothing to do with this and 2 you were the only one who seen it, how can people comment on that!! You have to be a DOA SECURITY WATCHMAN
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a 62 year-old lay person, without the balls to ever stage a sit-in vs. law enforcement, whether they be real or pretend police. So to all the defenders of the suspended doctor.
As far as I'm concerned, if Dr. Dao(fus) and I were on an elevator together, and he suffered a massive heart attack and keeled over onto the floor, my ONLY concern would be not to trip over him and hurt my back.
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Buddy ----- Airport Security is NOT POLICE. They're just people on somebody's payroll. That's all.
If you don't have courage for yourself - against bullies and pretend cops and corporate goons, or even against little airline cabin attendants who don't know the law....so be it.
But don't hold yourself out as some sort of model citizen. Liberty is hard won. And the Asking price for yours is way cheap.
Be a doormat all you want. I won't join you. This country wasn't founded or defended by doormats.
Read some history of this country.
Real Cops enforce Real laws. That's what makes us different from Somalia and North Korea. And raccoons.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is no Aviation Police. They are Aviation Security. I don't know why the news media keeps calling them police. They were never police officers. Get rid of them and hire real police.
5/05/2017 03:32:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
@03:32....Wanna PHUQING BET Asswipe.......
5/05/2017 07:46:00 AM
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Yeah, I'll bet you "asswipe." Show me a law or municipal code anywhere that says DOA guards have "Police powers." And BTW, they are not Chicago "Special Police" either. Want to push that "Special Police" thing, which says you CAN'T carry a gun off airport property, you'll be a UUW pinch when you're off duty.
You guys sound more moronic with every post on here by one of you. Face it, you fucked up a good thing, now get ready to be Monterey or Universal security. And no, you don't have the same training as CPD, and no, you aren't a Police Officer just because you went through the Metro Class. You have to have a law or muni code that gives you Police powers by making you a Peace Officer. Please show that to us, Mr. DOA Terminal Warrior.
1. Anonymous said...
Excuse me, but the Aviation Police officers ARE police officers, and they trained in the same place you did if you're a Chicago cop.
5/05/2017 06:06:00 AM
2. Anonymous said...
@03:32....Wanna PHUQING BET Asswipe.......
5/05/2017 07:46:00 AM
3. They are state certified and went to an academy. They could actually be hired by departments that take lateral transfers. They are police not security. No matter how small their duties are at the airport.
5/05/2017 04:09:00 PM
4. The DOA guys are "special Police" and do have powers of arrest on airport property (this includes the roadways)
5/05/2017 09:58:00 AM
5. Anonymous said...
Look who their union is!! Does that union represent any other POLICE DEPT?? NO
5/05/2017 09:34:00 PM
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1. Training in the same academy, or any academy, does not make someone a police officer. Any citizen can pay their own way and go to SWIC, graduate that academy and take and pass the state certification test. None of that makes them police officers, until they given a sworn commission by a municipality or other governing body. Until then, they are people with a certification and an academy diploma. Nothing else.
2. Yes, I want to bet. How much do you have to lose? Would you say…YOUR JOB?
3. They cannot be hired as laterals if the lateral hire process required them to have statutory powers of arrest in the department they came from. They have an advantage of being certified, but actually that certification lapses if not hired by an agency who has granted them sworn statutory powers of arrest. Since most agencies require lateral transfers to have worked full time for two years, their certification would have lapsed by then and they would not be qualified.
4. They are not special police. The directive that outlines all agencies with police powers can be found here:
https://directives.crimeisdown.com/diff/776792ccc86d0fd2b556bcedc33107a625697e2f/directives/data/a7a57be2-128884f1-9d212-8894-7e1c3c4f24521024.html
They have no arrest powers, not even on airport property. Ginger Evan’s testimony before the Senate Subcommittee on Aviation Operations, Safety and Security stated that aviation officers “are not the designated law enforcement authority at our airports. They are nonsworn, nonarmed security personnel,” Evans told senators, adding that their job is to check badges of airport personnel entering secure areas and maintain a secure perimeter.”
5. The SEIU being their union has nothing to do with them not being police. The SEIU also represents state-run commuity college police departments, (i.e., Morton College, Oakton Community College, etc.) whose officers do have police powers and whose jurisdictions extends only to counties in which the college has a facility and in the course of protecting the community college property, students, and staff. See 110 ILCS 805/3-42.1):
Members of community college security departments commissioned by state statute to make arrests for violations of state statutes, the Chicago Municipal Code, and/or county ordinances for the protection of community college properties and interest, and its students and personnel, shall be considered peace officers.
Northwestern and University of Chicago, private college law enforcement, are governed by this: “Law enforcement personnel of these police agencies are sworn as Chicago Special Police Officers (MCC 4-340-030) and have the authority of peace officers within the designated geographic boundaries. Department members are advised that incidents occurring within these designated geographic boundaries are subject to the provisions of Items VI-A and C of this directive.
The only one to blame is United Airlines. They should have handled it differently. If that plane was sitting there a little longer at the gate they would have offered more incentives and other passengers would have accepted. If their guidelines didn't allow that , that's on them.
Look at how fast they did an about face when the video came out
If they were correct in their policy why didn't they have the captain order him off the plane? Then it's a federal crime to not obey the orders of the captain
Bottom line DOA officers nor should CPD officers be pimps for United, that being said there are times disgression should used and this is one of those times
Nothing has changed at O'Hare. DOA still have police on their cars, still have police patches on their arms and still have police stars (not earned with street training and experience). They are still being dispatched to what should be CPD only jobs. Shame on the city brass for not doing the right thing and pulling back on the DOA's reins. How could the city not learn it's lesson from the United incident? Same old shit from the city and they will have the same dumb look of surprise on their faces when it happens again.
Will someone please tell me what "police" function Aviation police have in the airport terminals? Has any of them ever made an arrest at the airport? That would be a big frigging NO.
You were right on the money with your post, except for....
Northwestern and University of Chicago, private college law enforcement, are governed by this: “Law enforcement personnel of these police agencies are sworn as Chicago Special Police Officers (MCC 4-340-030) and have the authority of peace officers within the designated geographic boundaries. Department members are advised that incidents occurring within these designated geographic boundaries are subject to the provisions of Items VI-A and C of this directive.
5/06/2017 09:10:00 AM
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They and Loyola are actually covered and given peace officer powers through the state of Illinois by this...
(110 ILCS 1020/) Private College Campus Police Act.
Prior to this, they were Chicago Special Police, except Evanston Campus of NU were Evanston Special Police (only ones with this designation in Evanston).
Aviation are given no such Peace Officer status, not through the Chicago Special Police, State, or County. They are a City department,(as opposed to the Chicago Park Dist, Chi Citywide Colleges, CHA, CTA, Metro Water Rec, which are separate municipal entities from the City and have the authority to create a Police Dept.) and in the Chicago Municipal Code, the ONLY Police Department in it is the Chicago Police Dept.
Maybe Aviation guys should have kicked back, went for the well paying ride, and kept their mouths shut. Their jobs wouldn't be on the line if they had.
To answer your question @12:40:00 PM , no they have not!! EVER..Ever had to make an an arrest!! its a complaint just like walgreens or jc penny security would do!! always have to call CPD for their non sense!! They cant arrest period...I have been giving advice to CPD officers all the time..Do not get involved in their crap, do you name check over the air and thats about it....SGT 050
Reviewing the Chicago Municipal Code, Chapter 2-20-030 Police Powers of Department Employees
Such employees of the Department of Aviation as the Commissioner of Aviation may designate shall have full police powers, and for that purpose of shall be sworn in as a special policeman by the commissioner of police, and furnished with a suitable badges of authority. They shall have full power to eject from any airport owned or operated by the city any person whoacts in a disorderly manner, or in a manner calculated to injure the property of the city within such airport.
The entire code of Special Policemen and Security Guards (Chapter 4-340) is too much to paste, but can be found here:
http://library.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:chicago_il_m
Reviewing that code, it would appear that the Aviation officers are special police, if the commissioner swore them in as such and granted them full police powers. The flaw in current practice would be that the code requires that they wear a badge NOT in the shape of a star (which they violate by basically impersonating Chicago PD badges). Also their arrest powers would only be valid on airport property and they could not carry a firearm off duty. Also their appointment has to be renewed annually. Read the whole code for details.
The private colleges, private railroads, (EXCEPT Amtrak - they are classified as a Federal entity), and Water Rec don't qualify as special police either. (They also don't qualify under LEOSA, if that's a concern.) Community College/UIC cops have full arrest powers in the counties in which their educational institution owns property and if done for the protection or interests of the college property, students, or staff because they are state-funded. Places such as Triton, who actually has a well-run and professional department (I've seen it while at a training class - LEADS in the cars, a bullpen lock-up, rifles, etc.) The poster who talked about the colleges being special police quoted the text that applies to City Of Chicago Community Colleges - yes, those goofs at Daley College with the white chef jackets could actually be sworn as special police. Loyola, U of C and NU police are only police while on their property. State school police are police in their counties of jurisdiction and can carry off duty in those counties.
The private colleges, private railroads, (EXCEPT Amtrak - they are classified as a Federal entity), and Water Rec don't qualify as special police either. (They also don't qualify under LEOSA, if that's a concern.) ..............
No, they are actual Police Officers (See (110 ILCS 1020/) Private College Campus Police Act. ) and Water Rec are peace officers by statute and all have powers of arrest. Water Rec and Private Univ. P/O's DO qualify under LEOSA, as they have statutory powers of arrest. Private Univ have police powers in counties that they have property (See Cook Co) and water rec has police authority 1 1/2 miles on either side of the Canal, which is all throughout Cook, Will, Dupage Co. and going all the way downstate. Water Rec ARE NOT special police, but actual peace officers.
Universal Security already claims that it is operating at Midway and OHare.
https://www.universalscty.com/services/airport-security/#content
Although they are trying to avoid the bad press from the dragging drama
"Clarification: Universal Security guards working at O’Hare and Midway Airports, were not involved in the United Airlines incident that generated significant media attention over the past month. "
https://www.universalscty.com
Mark Lundren is the CEO.
Maybe they will just take over all security functions and leave all law enforcement to CPD, the way it should be.
Private University police don't qualify under LEOSA, which requires "(c) As used in this section, the term "qualified law enforcement officer" means an employee of a governmental agency who--"
Loyola University is not a governmental agency.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I work at both ORD and MDW (k9), and wow i have never seen more nitwits than 90% of the DOA SECURITY personnel(the good 10% is the retired CPD guys)! The old bag lady who works post 11, sgt sue(MDW), goof with the ear piece, Tattoo tough guy, i can go on and on! I heard it best from a great CPD officer, "imagine all the goofs on cpd and these are the guys who were so goofy they couldnt get hired by cpd"
5/05/2017 09:31:00 PM
Hey Asshole, You say you worked at MDW and ORD as K9. Your dog was probably the only one who earned a paycheck. For your information my wife is Sgt Sue Jagoff. She is one of the workers at Midway. There are many others also. She was the first car at the scene of the Southwest accident and actually was hit by the emergency slide and launched 50 feet in the air. But she went immediately back and grabbing passengers off the slide even though was injured. She was the first one trying to get the child who died out of the car. She answered a well being call for a girl inside one of the bathroom stalls. Found the girl tring to hang herself. The girl was purple. She climbed over the wall of the stall and fought to get the girl out of the noose around her neck and fight her out of the stall. She finally got the girl out. Oh yeah, the great CPD was there, doing their usual nothing and laughing about it. She assisted CPD more times when they had a fighter. She always jumps in and helps them. Why don't you also mention the Aviation guys who were with CP:D when a nut job pulled a driver out of his livery vehicle and tried to steal it. Both CPD and Aviation fought their asses off side by side and got him out of the car and in cuffs. You knock Aviation without any reasons. But at least I can give 100 reasons where they do the job as good as any CPD assigned to the airport. At Midway they look out for each other. But you're K9 and you know everything. You are K9 because no person will probably work with your lazy ass. So who is in charge, you or the dog.
For your information you are anonymous. But I was CPD until I fucked up my back fighting with a guy high on drugs with a copper who the POS tried to disarm. We fought for 20 minutes because the dispatcher sent the cars to 116th and Peoria instead of 106th and Peoria. I was a Detective at the time and had 21 ears on the job. Happened in Sep 2011. Had a back fusion that failed. I have to walk with a cane and take painkillers to function, so don't even think about saying I'm milking disability. If anybody has something else to say about Aviation, my wife or how great CPD at the airport are feel free to talk to my face. There are great CPD officers at the airports, but there are dog asses who never answer the radio or take 30 minutes minimum to arrive at a job. So anyone who thinks Aviation are a bunch of worthless idiots, you are probably just making a statement with no backing because you think you're Superman. Guess what? You are an idiot. Every cop is vulnerable now of days. You probably think small town cops are worthless too. Guess what, if that was you, you would realize that when all hell breaks loose, their backup is 10-15 minutes away. As for Aviation, because they just work the airports and not the street, does not make them any less police than you are. At least they aren't behind a desk having only worked the streets for their field training. But all CPD is superior. My ass.
Again, if you have any stupid comments about Aviation Police, feel free to contact me face to face. I don't make comments without facts. Maybe the rest of you should try that for once. I don't hide behind a mask and I am very outspoken with the truth.
Det. Arlen Pietrowski (Duty Disabled)
Dear Det. Arlen Pietrowski,
I guess the question would be then, if your wife is so awesome why isn't she on a real police department? You know, one that cares about the safety of its officers enough to trust them to carry a firearm. It's a reasonable question. Anyone who truly loves police work and is good at it would not work for Aviation Security (per Ginger Evans' testimony before the Senate, your wife has no arrest powers).
Thank you for your service and I'm sorry you got hurt. I hope there is more healing in your future and that your wife is able to get on a real police department where her work ethic will earn her a better salary and the right to protect herself off duty (although I guess she could get her CCL). It sounds like the airport doesn't have any real advantages over street work. She should get on a municipal department. At least if she makes the news it will be for something involving a criminal, not someone refusing to leave a seat they paid for.
I never said my wife is awesome. She wouldn't even say that. Aviation is a job. They do their jobs as CPD does their job. She is just a worker. I was the same way. It wasn't to impress anybody, just that was the way I was taught when I came on. The people at Aviation have a job to do. They are there to keep the airport safe and secure. What is this big deal they are not the police because they don't work the street. So every airport police department in the US is beneath CPD because they don't work the street. When I was on the job as a Detective, I worked with departments including one Sheriffs office that had 8 deputies for 300 square miles. Every police department does not work the street, but they have duties that have to be carried out. The 3 officers and the Sergeant, were railroaded for Uniteds mistake. The whole Department is being chastised because Jeffery Redding and Ginger Evans didn't bother to ever find out the duties and calls Aviation handle. They never bothered to find out what the policies and procedures are.
The Sergeant that is suspended has been a Sergeant only 1-2 months. Did any other supervisor at O'Hare answer up for the officers. No. This Sergeant received a life saving award for reviving a person who had a cardiac arrest.
There are mostly hard working people with Aviation. They are not there to take CPD's job. They are there to do their job and they realize CPD has a job to do. Both Departments have certain duties, which they do well. It is sad that there are so many CPD that knock Aviation because they didn't join CPD. Not everyone wants CPD's job. I'd have a hard time today taking it. My wife passed the test for CPD and she received her letter. She didn't want both of us on CPD. Neither did our children. So my wife stayed with Aviation.
Every police department has it's dangers and people who are willing to risk themselves to do a job. They do it unarmed. As far as police who shouldn't have guns or are worthless, I could list names of CPD officers who fit that bill. But we all have most good, but some on the edge. Just quit being such hateful human beings. If you feel like that with Aviation, how do you treat people on the street. Again Aviation has many damn good officers who back up CPD in a second. It is not getting rid of CPD but just giving Aviation the recognition and respect they deserve. Aviation does give CPD that, how about a little in return.
Arlen Pietrowski
Thanks Detective. These same hardcore CPD street officers are the first ones that ask when are they going to open up slots at the airport? Talk shit about the dog ass lazy PD and Aviation! GTFOH.
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